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Elway777
02-11-2007, 06:56 AM
The Broncos trade Plummer plus our second and a second 3 round pick for Seth Payne and Houston second pick, The Broncos target Michael Bush, Griffen ,Ross or Merriweather in the second round.Then my dream draft would be 1 Adam Carriker 2 Michael Griffen 3 Kareem Brown plus they added Seth Payne.
Ray Finkle
02-11-2007, 07:25 AM
The Broncos trade Plummer plus our second and a second 3 round pick for Seth Payne and Houston second pick, The Broncos target Michael Bush, Griffen ,Ross or Merriweather in the second round.Then my dream draft would be 1 Adam Carriker 2 Michael Griffen 3 Kareem Brown plus they added Seth Payne.
eww....
watermock
02-11-2007, 07:28 AM
The way Shanahan has been talking, he obviously feels Plummer has trade value. How much remains to be seen.
There's been talk of a Plummer and our second for Houston's second and a 5th or 6th rounder. So if that has any validity you're saying Payne is worth a mid-3rd rounder?
Hell no. I'd be cool with getting Payne as a body for the DT rotation, but not at that high a cost.
usedupbraids
02-11-2007, 09:46 AM
i think plummer will just take a pay cut and stay with the team :)
Hercules Rockefeller
02-11-2007, 11:07 AM
Payne's season-ending injury last season is probably career-ending.
Just use Jake as collateral to move up in the 2nd with Houston.
broncs2bowl
02-11-2007, 12:46 PM
Who the hell is Seth Payne!!
Payne is washed up, and clearly his best years are behind him. That was before he suffered a season ending injury last year.
If anybody thinks we will be able to do a straight up deal for Jake and a pick is dreaming. I wouldn't release Plummer's rights unless it will really benefit us. Kubiak knows that he is on a limited time frame with Houston. He has to make some wins start rolling in quickly because coaches only get a season or two of below .500 ball before the home city gets restless. Plummer would be enough of a vet, and upgrade to put that team in contention. They are not that far away. They beat Jax twice last season, Indy once and I'm not sure about Tennessee. They could compete for a 8-8 or 9-7 record if they play their cards right.
TheDave
02-11-2007, 01:03 PM
I don't see the trade with houston happening... I just can't believe other coaches in the NFL are unable to see game tape of last season. I want to get compensation for the guy as much as anyone... But put yourself in the shoes of another teams fans. How pissed would you be if your team gave up a 3rd round pick for Jake Plummer?
Rohirrim
02-11-2007, 01:05 PM
Payne is washed up, and clearly his best years are behind him. That was before he suffered a season ending injury last year.
If anybody thinks we will be able to do a straight up deal for Jake and a pick is dreaming. I wouldn't release Plummer's rights unless it will really benefit us. Kubiak knows that he is on a limited time frame with Houston. He has to make some wins start rolling in quickly because coaches only get a season or two of below .500 ball before the home city gets restless. Plummer would be enough of a vet, and upgrade to put that team in contention. They are not that far away. They beat Jax twice last season, Indy once and I'm not sure about Tennessee. They could compete for a 8-8 or 9-7 record if they play their cards right.
And as far as the Houstonians are concerned, that whole FO is on a short leash for passing on Bush and especially, Young - regardless of how good Mario is. I wonder if people aren't pasting Plummer to Kubes merely because they know, and like, each other. I don't know if that move would go over too well amongst their fans. "Great! We pass on VY and Bush and go after Jake?" Not exactly the way to earn fan love down there. Now, if they were to do what it took to trade up for AD, that might sell some season tickets. I imagine Millen would listen to offers.
If I'm Houston, I make some moves to solidify the QB play as well as developing for the future. I think Plummer can help them win now... but they need to draft a young guy as well. IF I was Rick Smith, I would consider a vet that can come in and win right away (Plummer can, 40-18 as a starter in Denver) and I would think very hard about drafting a QB, maybe Quinn, with their number one pick.
That is a lot of resources devoted to QB play but lets be honest... in the AFC South, they are going to need it going against Manning and Young twice each season.
Hercules Rockefeller
02-11-2007, 02:15 PM
Who the hell is Seth Payne!!
A guy who was once a solid NFL DT, but isn't anymore due to age and injuries.
mattob14
02-11-2007, 04:26 PM
Our second and Plummer for Houston's second makes sense for both teams. Denver would get late-3rd value for Plummer, which they are not going to get otherwise, and moves into the top part of round 2, where they could get someone like Griffin, Mebane, Crowder, Abriami, Rice, or Harrell. I would be happy with any of those guys. For Houston, they could add a veteran QB who has proven he can lead a team to the playoffs, keep the ammo to move up for Peterson and can then move Carr for another pick. Adding Peterson and Plummer, plus a couple of other first day picks could help turn that franchise around in a hurry.
Our second and Plummer for Houston's second makes sense for both teams. Denver would get late-3rd value for Plummer, which they are not going to get otherwise, and moves into the top part of round 2, where they could get someone like Griffin, Mebane, Crowder, Abriami, Rice, or Harrell. I would be happy with any of those guys. For Houston, they could add a veteran QB who has proven he can lead a team to the playoffs, keep the ammo to move up for Peterson and can then move Carr for another pick. Adding Peterson and Plummer, plus a couple of other first day picks could help turn that franchise around in a hurry.
agreed. i personally would like to switch thirds with them too but maybe im trying to get too much out of the deal. getting into the top half of the second would be a major upgrade. any of the players you listed plus maybe even a patrick willis could fall.
I don't see the trade with houston happening... I just can't believe other coaches in the NFL are unable to see game tape of last season. I want to get compensation for the guy as much as anyone... But put yourself in the shoes of another teams fans. How pissed would you be if your team gave up a 3rd round pick for Jake Plummer?
Put yourself in Houston's shoes. If you had the chance to send Carr for an earlier 3rd, then send your 2nd for the Broncos 2nd and Jake you're walking away with a veteran QB Kubiak knows how to work with, an extra third, and the price you paid was moving back 13 spots in the second.
If I was a Houston fan I'd laugh my way to the bank and expect the team to finally win some close games with a QB who wins games. Plummer might have really struggled last year but we were 7-4 with him at the helm. He doesn't make game losing mistakes and can avoid pressure on his own even when his line breaks down. That should be a breath of fresh air in Houston.
*WARHORSE*
02-15-2007, 12:37 AM
It was reported on Cold Pizza that Houston and Denver were in negotiations for Plummer last week. Id bet my bottom dollar that a deal is already in place.
And if you dont think we can get at least their third, maybe more for Plummer, think again. No other QB available offers more to Kubiak than Jake does. He knows the offense inside and out. He will be able to help coach the team with his knowledge, not to mention he will be a coach on the field. If you draft a kid, hes not going to pay off this year.......meaning Kubiak is messing with his job security and future if the kid flops. Plummer gives him stability and help because unlike Carr, Plummer doesnt hold onto the ball forever. That means sack totals will go down, not to mention stalling drives.
Other than Jake, no one offers more. Not Garcia, not Leftwich, not Bledsoe, nor Johnson.
Theres a market for Plummer, and Houston will probably give more than they want to secure his services and cap friendly contract. Jake will do whatever to get back with Kubes.
My guess is Denver either gets somewhere between their second and third guaranteed. If Miami gave a second rounder for a Culpepper with a shredded knee, Jake will probably get the same.......but only from Houston.
Houston NEEDS Jake.
I think it might be possible they talk Denver into Jake and Tatum for their second.
How about Jake and our third from Washington, and fourth from Washington next year, for their first round pick next year............
That amounts to Jake and Lelie for their first next year....................:thanku:
SoCalBronco
02-15-2007, 12:41 AM
If we could get Houston's 3rd for Jake straight up, that would be unbelievably great. Three thirds!!!! That's prolly asking a bit much, but really if they have already ruled Carr out of their future there isn't a whole lot out there for them in terms of other options.
who was it that miami gave a second for a few years back? aj feely? jake is worth a lot more than he is....wish we could find a sucker trade partner....
SoCalBronco
02-15-2007, 12:48 AM
who was it that miami gave a second for a few years back? aj feely? jake is worth a lot more than he is....wish we could find a sucker trade partner....
Unfortunately, the Redskins don't have a second, third or fourth round pick this year.
Bummer.
Sodak
02-15-2007, 12:50 AM
Warhorse. You need to post here more often.
Broncojef
02-15-2007, 04:17 AM
It was reported on Cold Pizza that Houston and Denver were in negotiations for Plummer last week. Id bet my bottom dollar that a deal is already in place.
And if you dont think we can get at least their third, maybe more for Plummer, think again. No other QB available offers more to Kubiak than Jake does. He knows the offense inside and out. He will be able to help coach the team with his knowledge, not to mention he will be a coach on the field. If you draft a kid, hes not going to pay off this year.......meaning Kubiak is messing with his job security and future if the kid flops. Plummer gives him stability and help because unlike Carr, Plummer doesnt hold onto the ball forever. That means sack totals will go down, not to mention stalling drives.
Other than Jake, no one offers more. Not Garcia, not Leftwich, not Bledsoe, nor Johnson.
Theres a market for Plummer, and Houston will probably give more than they want to secure his services and cap friendly contract. Jake will do whatever to get back with Kubes.
My guess is Denver either gets somewhere between their second and third guaranteed. If Miami gave a second rounder for a Culpepper with a shredded knee, Jake will probably get the same.......but only from Houston.
Houston NEEDS Jake.
I think it might be possible they talk Denver into Jake and Tatum for their second.
How about Jake and our third from Washington, and fourth from Washington next year, for their first round pick next year............
That amounts to Jake and Lelie for their first next year....................:thanku:
Great then I'd have to cheer against Kubes all year, that would be bitter sweet.
Elway777
02-15-2007, 06:35 AM
I would love to move up to texans second round pick. The Broncos trade Plummer and their second and their 2 third for Houston second and 5 round draft picks.
watermock
02-15-2007, 08:26 AM
There is no question the logical move for both Pubes and Jake is Houston, and will garner the best compensation. I think this will be a friendly divorce here, and all three parties will treat and act amicably and fairly.
They might right now allready getting a new cap friendly contract negotiated. Jake is perfectly healthy and has plenty of tread left. I wonder if Carr is in the mix...I doubt it but it's possible.
We eat the signing bonus anyway one or two years...Denver can move around to free up some cap money.
I've been very impressed that we were able to get Cutler and still have a full draft last year and will have a full draft this year. I'm 99.9 percent sure Jake will be a Texan. Git R Done!
I also doubt T. Bell is moved.
Hercules Rockefeller
02-15-2007, 10:26 PM
I would love to move up to texans second round pick. The Broncos trade Plummer and their second and their 2 third for Houston second and 5 round draft picks.
So that values Jake at around a late 4th? How about no?
watermock
02-16-2007, 04:35 AM
Kubiak won't be Snyder. We have to take what we can get. Pubes isn't a fool.
I'm sure they will work something out. Something is better than nothing.
Steve Prefontaine
02-16-2007, 09:19 AM
Just a thought here.
With Brady Quinn potentially falling a bit, do you think the Texans wait to see if he is available when they pick in the first round before pulling the trigger on any trade for Plummer? I would think at this point they probably would rather have Jake, a proven veteran, rather than start over again with a rookie. I don't think they want to gamble again this soon drafting a QB that high in the draft.
Just a thought here.
With Brady Quinn potentially falling a bit, do you think the Texans wait to see if he is available when they pick in the first round before pulling the trigger on any trade for Plummer? I would think at this point they probably would rather have Jake, a proven veteran, rather than start over again with a rookie. I don't think they want to gamble again this soon drafting a QB that high in the draft.
I'd agree. I think Kubiak's interest in Plummer largely stems from his ability to avoid sacks even with less than great pass protection. Kubiak isn't going to have time to overhaul their OL entirely, so focusing on a good zone blocking OL to help the run game teamed with a mobile QB like Plummer is a great stepping stone to winning more games for them.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the Texans trade for Plummer then draft Drew Stanton or Troy Smith around the end of day 1 or early on day 2. Plummer would then make a good two year transitional guy to get them out of the cellar with a groomed young QB in the wings to take over once an OL that can give some protection is in place.
usedupbraids
02-17-2007, 12:45 PM
the only trade i see for jake is to the browns for a 3rd pick.Or maybe we can give are 3rd in plummer for reuben droughns :)
FADERPROOF
02-17-2007, 01:43 PM
i believe reuben is FA
Droughns got a 4 year extension last offseason.
FADERPROOF
02-17-2007, 01:45 PM
the only trade i see for jake is to the browns for a 3rd pick.Or maybe we can give are 3rd in plummer for reuben droughns :)
Don't see Plummer to Cleveland, Browns are going to have an open competition for the starting job between Charlie Frye and Derek Anderson. Frye has the leg up but Cleveland liked what they saw in Anderson and will go into the seasn with those two as QB's.
Droughns got a 4 year extension last offseason.
my bad, thought i read that somewhere...
Florida_Bronco
02-18-2007, 10:24 AM
The way Shanahan has been talking, he obviously feels Plummer has trade value. How much remains to be seen.
Of course he has trade value, Mock. Probably fairly high trade value too.
TheDave
02-18-2007, 11:45 AM
Put yourself in Houston's shoes. If you had the chance to send Carr for an earlier 3rd, then send your 2nd for the Broncos 2nd and Jake you're walking away with a veteran QB Kubiak knows how to work with, an extra third, and the price you paid was moving back 13 spots in the second.
If I was a Houston fan I'd laugh my way to the bank and expect the team to finally win some close games with a QB who wins games. Plummer might have really struggled last year but we were 7-4 with him at the helm. He doesn't make game losing mistakes and can avoid pressure on his own even when his line breaks down. That should be a breath of fresh air in Houston.
and on the other hand they can get him for free by just being patient. Every team knows that we will release him at some point. IMO Plummer is simply to much of a risk to offer any type of compensation.
and on the other hand they can get him for free by just being patient. Every team knows that we will release him at some point. IMO Plummer is simply to much of a risk to offer any type of compensation.
i dont think we will simply release him. i think shanahan keeps him as an expensive backup, because he knows people want him and he wont give jake away for free, too smart for that.
and on the other hand they can get him for free by just being patient. Every team knows that we will release him at some point. IMO Plummer is simply to much of a risk to offer any type of compensation.
Why will we release him? To save 50K? Sorry, I don't think Shanahan plays that way. He wants a veteran backup, Jake will fill that role very nicely. Cutting him saves us no money unless its a June 1st cut and thats no good for anyone interested in giving him a starting shot. We won't drop him designated as a June 1st because Shanahan will use all the time he can to negotiate.
Jake is going to be back here unless he either a. buys his way out with a restructure, b. is cut after June 1st and has limited chances of catching on elsewhere, or c. someone is willing to give decent compensation for him.
As I said before, if Houston finds that the asking price on Plummer is lower than the street value on Carr its a win/win for them. They get a QB who knows Kubiak's system and can minimize the impact of their ****ty OL while actually picking up value by swinging a trade. That move benefits both parties and makes a ton of sense on both ends.
SoCalBronco
02-18-2007, 10:31 PM
Don't see Plummer to Cleveland, Browns are going to have an open competition for the starting job between Charlie Frye and Derek Anderson. Frye has the leg up but Cleveland liked what they saw in Anderson and will go into the seasn with those two as QB's.
You are forgetting their best QB. ;D
:homer:
Florida_Bronco
02-18-2007, 10:38 PM
Why will we release him? To save 50K? Sorry, I don't think Shanahan plays that way. He wants a veteran backup, Jake will fill that role very nicely. Cutting him saves us no money unless its a June 1st cut and thats no good for anyone interested in giving him a starting shot. We won't drop him designated as a June 1st because Shanahan will use all the time he can to negotiate.
Jake is going to be back here unless he either a. buys his way out with a restructure, b. is cut after June 1st and has limited chances of catching on elsewhere, or c. someone is willing to give decent compensation for him.
As I said before, if Houston finds that the asking price on Plummer is lower than the street value on Carr its a win/win for them. They get a QB who knows Kubiak's system and can minimize the impact of their ****ty OL while actually picking up value by swinging a trade. That move benefits both parties and makes a ton of sense on both ends.
From my understanding, Jake has refused to return to the Broncos.
youcandoit1687
02-18-2007, 11:39 PM
From my understanding, Jake has refused to return to the Broncos.
Wow! Link? Source? Don't lead us on like that Florida!
Florida_Bronco
02-18-2007, 11:53 PM
Wow! Link? Source? Don't lead us on like that Florida!
It was reported right after the 49er loss that he had told several friends he has no intention of returning to the Broncos. I can try and find the link, but I believe it was reported in the Denver Post.
Dedhed
02-19-2007, 12:18 AM
Just a thought here.
With Brady Quinn potentially falling a bit, do you think the Texans wait to see if he is available when they pick in the first round before pulling the trigger on any trade for Plummer? I would think at this point they probably would rather have Jake, a proven veteran, rather than start over again with a rookie. I don't think they want to gamble again this soon drafting a QB that high in the draft.
Even if Quinn is all he's cracked up to be it'll be at least a year or two before he can run Kubiak's system as efficiently as Plummer. Add a decent RB into the mix, and still have a first round pick to address the OL, and there's a lot of upside to for a franchise that has never been considered legitimate (largely due to the QB situation).
Do you give Quinn a better chance than Carr if the Texans don't address the OL, and get some weapons on that side of the ball? Relying on a rookie QB would be a worse mistake than passing on Reggie Bush last year.
BroncoInferno
02-19-2007, 12:26 AM
Why do people start these ridiculous (note: not rEdiculous) threads with headings that make them sound official? Hell, don't start them at all; it's pointless drivel. This won't happen.
youcandoit1687
02-19-2007, 01:20 AM
It was reported right after the 49er loss that he had told several friends he has no intention of returning to the Broncos. I can try and find the link, but I believe it was reported in the Denver Post.
I'll take your word for it. I was out of town and then DW happened so I'm sure I missed it.
I agree with Inferno, if you have a question, put a question mark, if you're just suggesting, "What do you think of..." would be great, etc. Don't just say Plummer to Houston or Daniel Graham Franchised.
JCMElway
02-19-2007, 01:36 AM
Wow! Link? Source? Don't lead us on like that Florida!
I don't know if there is a link for this story either. It was simply understood that Jake was out of here. Kind of an unspoken thing between Mike, Jake, and in the Broncs locker room.
It was reported right after the 49er loss that he had told several friends he has no intention of returning to the Broncos. I can try and find the link, but I believe it was reported in the Denver Post.
he didn't tell them he would refuse to return, he simply said his goodbyes assuming he wouldnt come back, b/c odds are that he wont...very different. it was a friendly gesture, not what you're trying to make it out to be.
what choice does he have? if shanahan doesnt move him and refuses to cut hiim, i doubt he is willing to sit out a year, that would ruin any chance of him ever being a good starter somewhere.
with that said i think something will be worked out. Shanahan wont give him away for free, but has enough respect for jake to not waste a year of his career, he'll get it done.
Florida_Bronco
02-19-2007, 02:02 AM
he didn't tell them he would refuse to return, he simply said his goodbyes assuming he wouldnt come back, b/c odds are that he wont...very different. it was a friendly gesture, not what you're trying to make it out to be.
what choice does he have? if shanahan doesnt move him and refuses to cut hiim, i doubt he is willing to sit out a year, that would ruin any chance of him ever being a good starter somewhere.
with that said i think something will be worked out. Shanahan wont give him away for free, but has enough respect for jake to not waste a year of his career, he'll get it done.
You're talking about something totally different than I am. The article stated that he had told several personal friends (not teammates) that he would not return to Denver.
You're talking about something totally different than I am. The article stated that he had told several personal friends (not teammates) that he would not return to Denver.
oh, sorry...i only remember reading about him going around the locker room after the game...my apologies.
how do you think shanahan would handle the situation if he didnt get what he wanted out of a trade? release him? force him to stick around? personally i think there is too much respect there but i also know shanny's a hardass...
Florida_Bronco
02-19-2007, 02:09 AM
oh, sorry...i only remember reading about him going around the locker room after the game...my apologies.
how do you think shanahan would handle the situation if he didnt get what he wanted out of a trade? release him? force him to stick around? personally i think there is too much respect there but i also know shanny's a hardass...
I wish I could find the link to that story. I thought I had it bookmarked but I can't find it.
I think that Shanny will cut Jake loose one way or another. If Jake, who is also a hardass, decides he wants nothing to do with Denver he could easily sit out and put the Broncos in a tough situation.
All I can really do is speculate though.
I wish I could find the link to that story. I thought I had it bookmarked but I can't find it.
I think that Shanny will cut Jake loose one way or another. If Jake, who is also a hardass, decides he wants nothing to do with Denver he could easily sit out and put the Broncos in a tough situation.
All I can really do is speculate though.
dont worry about the link, i believe you.
any chance you think how jakes situation is handled is based on what we do in FA, whether or not we need the extra cap room this year??
NFLBRONCO
02-19-2007, 02:56 AM
I know this is a stretch but, what about this type of deal
Plummer and Tater and our 3rd 85 to Houston for 2nd rond #40 and 3rd Round #72.
We'd have 21 40 53 70 72 nice starting point going into draft.
youcandoit1687
02-19-2007, 03:17 AM
I know this is a stretch but, what about this deal.
Plummer and Tater and our 3rd 85 to Houston for 2nd rond #40 and 3rd Round #72.
We'd have 21 40 53 70 72 nice starting point going into draft.
That puts those two worth #40 and like a 5th rounder...quite a stretch. I would love to have those draft picks though, huh SoCal? Trade 21 back and get some more in the second to fourth.
Florida_Bronco
02-19-2007, 03:37 AM
dont worry about the link, i believe you.
any chance you think how jakes situation is handled is based on what we do in FA, whether or not we need the extra cap room this year??
I honestly don't know. From what I understand, we can either take all the cap hit from Jake this year or spread it out into next year. The ins and outs of how that works is over my head, but Herc and Eddie Mac can give you a better answer.
From my understanding, Jake has refused to return to the Broncos.
He said his goodbyes and said he doesn't want to be a mentoring backup.
Thats too bad for him though. He can sit out or retire. Cutting him before June 1st saves us all of $50,000 versus just hanging onto him. Cut him after June 1st and we'll be ****ting in our '08 cap. He's not in a position to demand anything unless he's willing to give money back to be let go, a la Lavar Arrington.
Does anyone really think Jake will sit out? I don't.
Florida_Bronco
02-19-2007, 12:06 PM
He said his goodbyes and said he doesn't want to be a mentoring backup.
Thats too bad for him though. He can sit out or retire. Cutting him before June 1st saves us all of $50,000 versus just hanging onto him. Cut him after June 1st and we'll be ****ting in our '08 cap. He's not in a position to demand anything unless he's willing to give money back to be let go, a la Lavar Arrington.
Does anyone really think Jake will sit out? I don't.
If Jake decides to sit out, we'll be ****ed in a major way. We're not in a position to pay someone that much money when they refuse to play for us.
Jake's not coming back and we need to move him, 1 way or another.
Broncoman13
02-19-2007, 12:06 PM
The only thing I wonder with Jake is if you trade him can you still mark him as a June 1st roster exemption. Under the new CBA you can cut a player loose early in the FA period and designate him as a June 1st cut. That allows you to spread the cap hit over two years rather than taking it all that year. The new CBA is supposed to have some provisions/clauses that allow for more trades. I would think this would be something along those lines. If that's the case, trading Jake would save us about 3 mil in space this year, but cost us around 5 mil in cap space next year.
As for Plummer and Tatum being worth pick #40 and a 5th rounder... I'd say that's a pretty even return. A 1000 yard RB with electric speed and happens to know the system and a QB with a .700 win pct in the same system. Houston would be foolish not to take a trade of a high 2nd rounder and a 5th rounder for those two!
Broncoman13
02-19-2007, 12:08 PM
If Jake decides to sit out, we'll be ****ed in a major way. We're not in a position to pay someone that much money when they refuse to play for us.
Jake's not coming back and we need to move him, 1 way or another.
I understand what you're getting at, but realize that Jake Plummer is going to get that much money and count that much against our cap regardless of whether he's on the team or not!
Hercules Rockefeller
02-19-2007, 12:47 PM
The only new provision in the CBA that they've talked about to facilitate more trades is that trades post-June 1 are treated like post-June 1 cuts. There's been no talk of designating trades before June 1 as post-June 1 trades for cap purposes.
Florida_Bronco
02-19-2007, 12:49 PM
I understand what you're getting at, but realize that Jake Plummer is going to get that much money and count that much against our cap regardless of whether he's on the team or not!
Yeah, but at least if we trade him, we got some value for him.
mattob14
02-19-2007, 02:04 PM
I know this is a stretch but, what about this type of deal
Plummer and Tater and our 3rd 85 to Houston for 2nd rond #40 and 3rd Round #72.
We'd have 21 40 53 70 72 nice starting point going into draft.
Getting Houston's 2nd for those two would be a steal, there's no way they'd swap thirds, too. If anything, we'd probably have to add #85 and get back Houston's 4th, which still wouldn't be too bad for us.
If Jake decides to sit out, we'll be ****ed in a major way. We're not in a position to pay someone that much money when they refuse to play for us.
Jake's not coming back and we need to move him, 1 way or another.
The cap hit from cutting him is all of $50K less than keeping him on the roster. Unless the FO wants to cut him as a June 1st cut there isn't an significant financial impact to having him on the roster.
I don't see them cutting him prior to June 1st, they'll shop him in that time frame. The only thing that'll get Jake out of Denver before June 1st without a trade is us signing a different veteran QB and every team in the QB market has filled their needs. Then Jake would've been better off as our backup in the first place.
eddie mac
02-19-2007, 02:27 PM
I'm pretty sure the Broncos have factored in the cost of trading Jake and taking the full hit this year otherwise they wouldn't be actively shopping him. Depending on Walker's option status quite a few players will be staring salary cuts or restructures firmly in the face round about now.
Broncojef
02-19-2007, 04:41 PM
I'm pretty sure the Broncos have factored in the cost of trading Jake and taking the full hit this year otherwise they wouldn't be actively shopping him. Depending on Walker's option status quite a few players will be staring salary cuts or restructures firmly in the face round about now.
It's very simple...the Broncos will shop Jake until after the June 1st deadline. If they get a great deal between now and then they will take it. if all they'll get is fourth/fifth round offers they will cut him after June 1st and save $5.5 Million for this year. And that isn't killing the future cap...the cap is scheduled to go up about $7 Mill for the next few years.
NFLBRONCO
02-19-2007, 05:14 PM
Getting Houston's 2nd for those two would be a steal, there's no way they'd swap thirds, too. If anything, we'd probably have to add #85 and get back Houston's 4th, which still wouldn't be too bad for us.
Well what about
Plummer and Tatum and #53 to Houston for #40 and #72
We'd have 21 40 70 72 85 (1 #1 1 #2 higher a 3 #3's) Surely this isn't to out of a realm of possibility. I think it is a foundation of a trade possibility.
mattob14
02-19-2007, 06:17 PM
Well what about
Plummer and Tatum and #53 to Houston for #40 and #72
We'd have 21 40 70 72 85 (1 #1 1 #2 higher a 3 #3's) Surely this isn't to out of a realm of possibility. I think it is a foundation of a trade possibility.
This is actually pretty close. This scenario values Plummer and Bell each at a mid-3rd round level and seems like both sides could benefit.
I don't even think Bell and Plummer for #40 is a long ways off, especially if Houston gets another day 1 pick for Carr. They'd overpay a little bit, but would get 2 starters in the backfield and still have 3 more first day picks.
NFLBRONCO
02-21-2007, 03:28 AM
Trading the No. 8 pick for Plummer and Bell, despite Plummer's quality record as a starter with the Broncos and Bell coming off a 1,000-yard season, would, according to some executives with the Texans would be a tough sell to the ticket buyers and even a tough sell to team owner Bob McNair.
And every general manager in the league I have spoken to over the last two week believes the No. 8 pick is too much to surrender for those two players, even if the Broncos threw in their own first-round pick -- at No. 21.
crowebomber
02-21-2007, 05:32 PM
Here's a snippet from John Clayton's piece today on the Scouting Combine. Don't know how accurate Clayton's info is but it's more than just message board speculation that Plummer could be dealt in a package that includes draft positioning.
6. Starting the trade machine: The combine gets the trade talk going. The Redskins, who pick sixth, are like several other teams in the top 10 and willing to shop their pick to get more draft choices. Veterans such as Denver's Jake Plummer and Houston's David Carr are being shopped in trades. Something could be resolved before next Tuesday. A couple of years ago, the Randy Moss trade was brokered at the start of the combine. Moss wants out of Oakland, and if the Raiders wish to accommodate him they could find out if there are any interested teams here in Indianapolis.
Rohirrim
02-21-2007, 06:18 PM
Here's a snippet from John Clayton's piece today on the Scouting Combine. Don't know how accurate Clayton's info is but it's more than just message board speculation that Plummer could be dealt in a package that includes draft positioning.
6. Starting the trade machine: The combine gets the trade talk going. The Redskins, who pick sixth, are like several other teams in the top 10 and willing to shop their pick to get more draft choices. Veterans such as Denver's Jake Plummer and Houston's David Carr are being shopped in trades. Something could be resolved before next Tuesday. A couple of years ago, the Randy Moss trade was brokered at the start of the combine. Moss wants out of Oakland, and if the Raiders wish to accommodate him they could find out if there are any interested teams here in Indianapolis.
If there's any way to get the Skins involved, I'm all for it. ;D
watermock
02-21-2007, 06:36 PM
If there's any way to get the Skins involved, I'm all for it. ;D
Remember, we have two of their picks from their Lelie/Duckett fiasco.
for how much everyone is saying that the trade with houston to move up to number 8 is a pipedream and is never going to happen, it sure is getting a lot of media coverage from all off the writers out there.....havet to believe there is some substance to it, i doubt there are just loads of writers trolling the mane for story ideas.........maybe just maybe....
Rascal
02-22-2007, 04:37 PM
Exactly, but according to Slug it's all from one report and I'm making crap up. All well.
Kaylore
02-22-2007, 04:41 PM
Clayton said today that the Texans told him they are reconsidering keeping Carr and that there isn't any trade plan with the team to acquire Plummer.
SoonerBronco
02-22-2007, 04:58 PM
Clayton said today that the Texans told him they are reconsidering keeping Carr and that there isn't any trade plan with the team to acquire Plummer.
Actually, he said this...
Carr not necessarily in motion: Texans general manager Rick Smith told the Houston media earlier this week that it is not a given that quarterback David Carr will be traded. It's pretty clear the Texans would like to trade for Denver's Jake Plummer and see if they can get value for Carr on the trade market. Both ideas are tricky and have to pair well. Smith said it's not out of the question to have Carr behind center as the starter next season, but it is early in the process.
NFLBRONCO
02-22-2007, 05:03 PM
Clayton said today that the Texans told him they are reconsidering keeping Carr and that there isn't any trade plan with the team to acquire Plummer.
This is probably most likely but, they really wouldn't admit any trade in the works until its done.
Billy Clyde Puckett
02-22-2007, 05:17 PM
Kubiak was on NFL Network a bit ago and made it sound like they would keep Carr. Said it was 50/50 Spencer would make it back for the season opener and seemed to hint they would be looking to upgrade more on the OL and at RB
Kaylore
02-22-2007, 05:30 PM
Actually, he said this...
I was referring to what he said on NFL Live.
NFLBRONCO
02-22-2007, 05:58 PM
We'll see what happens in a few weeks.