It's Official, Obama to run in 08...

[baja]

Obama running in '08 to 'lead a new generation'
Illinois Senator declares candidacy at site where Lincoln once held office

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• Obama makes it official
Feb. 10: Standing in the shadow of the old state capital in Springfield, Ill., and citing Lincoln's legacy, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., officially announced he's running for president. NBC's Janet Shamlian reports.
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- Democrat Barack Obama, Saturday, declared himself a candidate for the White House in 2008, evoking Abraham Lincoln's ability to unite a nation and promising to lead a new generation as the country's first black president.

The first-term senator announced his candidacy from the state capital where he began his elective career just 10 years ago, and in front of the building where in another century, Lincoln served eight years in the Illinois Legislature.

"We can build a more hopeful America," Obama said in remarks prepared for delivery. "And that is why, in the shadow of the Old State Capitol, where Lincoln once called on a divided house to stand together, where common hopes and common dreams still live, I stand before you today to announce my candidacy for president of the United States."

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Focus on life, not race
Obama did not mention his family background, his childhood in Hawaii and Indonesia or that as a black American, he would make history if elected president.

Instead, he focused on his life in Illinois over the past two decades, beginning with a job as a community organizer with a $13,000-a-year salary that strengthened his Christian faith.

He said the struggles he saw people face inspired him to get a law degree and run for the Legislature, where he served eight years before becoming a U.S. senator just two years ago.

[Spider]

Let the games begin

[cutthemdown]

He's too liberal to defeat Clinton. Hillary will appeal to dems that want someone middle of the road Americans will vote for. Obama will seem to soft one the war on terror so I think the Democrats wont feel he can win the general election. Spide is right though let the games begin. This is going to be on of the most enjoyable elections ever. Unfortunately the repubs don't yet have as colorful a pair of canidates. Mccain just sort of a grumpy old man and reminds me of the same problems Bob Dole had with exciting people. Guilliani helps though because he is sort of a liberal republican. All in all I have no idea who I will vote for. I do think maybe healthcare is an area that govt should get involved in because I think better healthcare would lead to less money being spent on it in the long run. Maybe I will vote democrat this time If one of them convinces me they will be tough on terror and take care of healthcare reform. Obama wont be tough on terrorist though so I can't see me voting for him.

[cbs1177]

2008 has no incumbent member to run in nearly 50 years. This is one of the most interesting election to me personally b/c of the wide open field. Makes the primaries actually mean something instead of seeing the front runner fall the first few states and then gaining ground. No one really is a bona fide front runner on either side. Just name recognition.

[cutthemdown]

2008 has no incumbent member to run in nearly 50 years. This is one of the most interesting election to me personally b/c of the wide open field. Makes the primaries actually mean something instead of seeing the front runner fall the first few states and then gaining ground. No one really is a bona fide front runner on either side. Just name recognition.

I agree who knows who will be president? This will be the most money ever spent on a presidential election. I wonder what the final tally will be if you add up the coffers of every hopeful?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

He's too liberal to defeat Clinton. Hillary will appeal to dems that want someone middle of the road Americans will vote for. Obama will seem to soft one the war on terror so I think the Democrats wont feel he can win the general election. Spide is right though let the games begin. This is going to be on of the most enjoyable elections ever. Unfortunately the repubs don't yet have as colorful a pair of canidates. Mccain just sort of a grumpy old man and reminds me of the same problems Bob Dole had with exciting people. Guilliani helps though because he is sort of a liberal republican. All in all I have no idea who I will vote for. I do think maybe healthcare is an area that govt should get involved in because I think better healthcare would lead to less money being spent on it in the long run. Maybe I will vote democrat this time If one of them convinces me they will be tough on terror and take care of healthcare reform. Obama wont be tough on terrorist though so I can't see me voting for him.Huh? You'll have to explain that one.

[Taco John]

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[Taco John]

I think Obama wins it all...

[baja]

I think Obama wins it all...

I think you are right if fact I will bet on him winning as soon as the odds are out.

I also think the timing is right and his personality fits the prophecy model for him to turn out to be the Anti Christ. ;D

[spdirty]

Don't care what anyone thinks, Hillary can't win the general. Obama can. But Hillary will have more money than anyone ever. Last I heard, she like a 45-17 advantage or something on him, which I expect to shrink quite a bit. Both primaries will be pretty interesting. Doubt I vote for either nominee this coming election.

[cutthemdown]

I think you are right if fact I will bet on him winning as soon as the odds are out.

I also think the timing is right and his personality fits the prophecy model for him to turn out to be the Anti Christ. ;D

If he puts a throne in the White house that is made of purple and gold then I will worry. Otherwise he's just another politician who probably wont change my life much. But if Obama did get elected I would pull for his policies to work out great for the country. Not sit around and blame him for everything wrong with the world.

[Spider]

If he puts a throne in the White house that is made of purple and gold then I will worry. Otherwise he's just another politician who probably wont change my life much. But if Obama did get elected I would pull for his policies to work out great for the country. Not sit around and blame him for everything wrong with the world.

not me , if Obama ****s up , then he gets the same treatment as Bush ..... nobody lets me **** up on my job

[cutthemdown]

not me , if Obama ****s up , then he gets the same treatment as Bush ..... nobody lets me **** up on my job

Ya but you can't vote for Obama because he did drugs so you need a new boy, or girl!!!! Dems have lots of choices in primary. A former coke snorting black who compares himself to Lincoln. The old white guy in Biden. A women in Hillary and Edwards the young white. So old/young/black/white/woman can't ask for much more diversity then that. Only in America!!!!!!

[Spider]

Ya but you can't vote for Obama because he did drugs so you need a new boy, or girl!!!! Dems have lots of choices in primary. A former coke snorting black who compares himself to Lincoln. The old white guy in Biden. A women in Hillary and Edwards the young white. So old/young/black/white/woman can't ask for much more diversity then that. Only in America!!!!!!

I live in wyoming , my vote wont count ............ and my statement goes for whoever wins the election , Bama , Hillary , Biden , Edwards , see i wont give someone a free pass just cause they re a democrat ......... If a Dem pulled the same shít as Bush did , I would be all over them .................you cant tolerate **** ups ........

[cutthemdown]

I live in wyoming , my vote wont count ............ and my statement goes for whoever wins the election , Bama , Hillary , Biden , Edwards , see i wont give someone a free pass just cause they re a democrat ......... If a Dem pulled the same shít as Bush did , I would be all over them .................you cant tolerate **** ups ........

there has never been a president who hasn't messed a few things up. It's an almost impossible job to do.

[Spider]

there has never been a president who hasn't messed a few things up. It's an almost impossible job to do.
define messup ?

[cutthemdown]

I live in wyoming , my vote wont count ............ and my statement goes for whoever wins the election , Bama , Hillary , Biden , Edwards , see i wont give someone a free pass just cause they re a democrat ......... If a Dem pulled the same shít as Bush did , I would be all over them .................you cant tolerate **** ups ........

Your vote counts in the primary as far as who wins the democratic nomination even if Wyoming is forever a conservative republican state.

[cutthemdown]

define messup ?

it would be a policy or an idea that didn't work out good. We could cite examples for hours. I'll start it off!!!!!!!!!!

Kennedy-bay of pigs

[Spider]

Your vote counts in the primary as far as who wins the democratic nomination even if Wyoming is forever a conservative republican state.

Wyoming doesnt have primaries

[Spider]

it would be a policy or an idea that didn't work out good. We could cite examples for hours. I'll start it off!!!!!!!!!!

Kennedy-bay of pigs

ok point made ;D

[cutthemdown]

Wyoming doesnt have primaries

How do they participate in the picking of a parties canidate?

[elsid13]

How do they participate in the picking of a parties canidate?

It involves sheep and three bottle of cheap gin. The rest is a state secret

[gunns]

I think Obama wins it all...

I agree. A poll on CBS the other night had him leading Edwards and Clinton at this point. Just one little thing I like so far is he got the "I smoked marijuana and did cocaine" tidbit out before it could be used against him.

[defenseman]

I agree. A poll on CBS the other night had him leading Edwards and Clinton at this point. Just one little thing I like so far is he got the "I smoked marijuana and did cocaine" tidbit out before it could be used against him.

Not a chance in hell.....nice try, but you are hitching your wagon to a horse that won't win. The DEMS will have to do better, he is EXTREMELY inexperienced and it will bite him in the butt, simple as that...dman

*If not, we are all in trouble. The world will take advantage of his inexperience.

[Spider]

How do they participate in the picking of a parties canidate?

Conventions , Despite the popular Sheep , Gin and state secret method .........;D

It involves sheep and three bottle of cheap gin. The rest is a state secret
LOL , and i will never give out th secret ;D

[Spider]

Not a chance in hell.....nice try, but you are hitching your wagon to a horse that won't win. The DEMS will have to do better, he is EXTREMELY inexperienced and it will bite him in the butt, simple as that...dman

*If not, we are all in trouble. The world will take advantage of his inexperience.

LOL ,and just how much experience did Bush have ? Bill Clinton ?
remember in texas the Gov is a very limited role .........

[TailgateNut]

Bushs' experience in the "ART OF LYING" is "SECOND TO NONE", and Bill could untwist a pretzel!

[bendog]

Wyoming has caucus(s) Whatever the plural of caucus is.

I'm actually going to swith to the dems so I can vote for obama in the Miss primary election. Of course the chances of Obama, or any dem, of winning in Miss in a general election are about the same of me ever again running a seven minute mile.

[Spider]

Wyoming has caucus(s) Whatever the plural of caucus is.

I'm actually going to swith to the dems so I can vote for obama in the Miss primary election. Of course the chances of Obama, or any dem, of winning in Miss in a general election are about the same of me ever again running a seven minute mile.

I could get you to run 7 minute mile right now ............. Rosie O'Donnell in a thong ,topless , in the mood to mate ........ Ready , set , GO!!!!!!!!!!! ;D

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Not a chance in hell.....nice try, but you are hitching your wagon to a horse that won't win. The DEMS will have to do better, he is EXTREMELY inexperienced and it will bite him in the butt, simple as that...dman

*If not, we are all in trouble. The world will take advantage of his inexperience.

LOL

Your tarot powers are awesome!

[bendog]

Hillary's lying about Iraq. She's a political opportunist, and the only difference between her and bushii is that she's not a dip****. When Bill wagged his finger in front of that little pos on fox who said "don't you wish you'd done more about osama' and said "I wouldn't have 180K troops stuck in Iraq," he was literally right. Republican/Dem it makes no difference. Hillary shouldn't apologize for her vote. She's doing it to make nice with the anti-war crowd, but she should apologize for not making a peep for the invasion after blix found nothing.

Obama offers a bit more. If a president Obama opened a diplomatic front with our former allies in the ME against Iran, offering to pressure Israel to settle with the Palestinians in exchange for peace, the message would be more difficult for Iran to ignore.

[defenseman]

Hillary's lying about Iraq. She's a political opportunist, and the only difference between her and bushii is that she's not a dip****. When Bill wagged his finger in front of that little pos on fox who said "don't you wish you'd done more about osama' and said "I wouldn't have 180K troops stuck in Iraq," he was literally right. Republican/Dem it makes no difference. Hillary shouldn't apologize for her vote. She's doing it to make nice with the anti-war crowd, but she should apologize for not making a peep for the invasion after blix found nothing.

Obama offers a bit more. If a president Obama opened a diplomatic front with our former allies in the ME against Iran, offering to pressure Israel to settle with the Palestinians in exchange for peace, the message would be more difficult for Iran to ignore.

Don't let slick willy fool you, he has or NEVER had the right idea on how to use the military. wagging your finger with 20/20 hindsight does not make him any smarter than the next guy. He made the military's life freaking miserable, trust me on that one..dman

[defenseman]

Hillary's lying about Iraq. She's a political opportunist, and the only difference between her and bushii is that she's not a dip****. When Bill wagged his finger in front of that little pos on fox who said "don't you wish you'd done more about osama' and said "I wouldn't have 180K troops stuck in Iraq," he was literally right. Republican/Dem it makes no difference. Hillary shouldn't apologize for her vote. She's doing it to make nice with the anti-war crowd, but she should apologize for not making a peep for the invasion after blix found nothing.

Obama offers a bit more. If a president Obama opened a diplomatic front with our former allies in the ME against Iran, offering to pressure Israel to settle with the Palestinians in exchange for peace, the message would be more difficult for Iran to ignore.

to set a date on pullout of iraq, is just plain stupidity. He wants out 31 Mar 08. He's dead wrong...dman

*On the same token, I'll give him credit for taking a stance, unlike freaking "broomhillary" who will blow as a reed with the wind, depending on what a poll of the american people says. She is a chameleon, with no integrity, who will change her spots to meet her end game. That is ALL that she offers, nothing more, nothing less.

[bendog]

It couldn't have been worse than bushii.

And actually my POINT was that Hillary wouldn't have done anything different from Texas' villiage idiot, except she wouldn't have been stupid enough to invade Iraq.

Now I know you hate the dems, but you should probably face the fact that the russians are now exporting hardware better than some of the stuff we have, and as a result our potential enemies have air to ship missles, and air superiority fighters, better than our own ... and bushii is cutting procurement to pay for nation building in buttholecamel****. If you really had an issue of defense, rather than blind partisanship, you'd be registering Dem - as all the gop candidates are lining up behind "stay the course" and **** the troops.

[Traveler]

As much as I like him, I still think it's too much, too soon for Obama. Let someone else clean up the mess that will be left by Dubya and his crooks.

[defenseman]

As much as I like him, I still think it's too much, too soon for Obama. Let someone else clean up the mess that will be left by Dubya and his crooks.

Guilliani or Romney will do fine cleaning up after ole GW...no worries..dman

*I'd be interested to see what ole gingrich could do with it. Man would that be a hoot.

[TailgateNut]

Guilliani or Romney will do fine cleaning up after ole GW...no worries..dman

*I'd be interested to see what ole gingrich could do with it. Man would that be a hoot.

:rofl:
Cleaning up GW's mess is not happening in the course of a single presidency,

[defenseman]

:rofl:
Cleaning up GW's mess is not happening in the course of a single presidency,

All the more reason one of the mentioned to step in and get started, that way they'll get a second term to complete. Works for me...dman

[Spider]

Guilliani or Romney will do fine cleaning up after ole GW...no worries..dman

*I'd be interested to see what ole gingrich could do with it. Man would that be a hoot.
LOL how do you figure ?

[TailgateNut]

All the more reason one of the mentioned to step in and get started, that way they'll get a second term to complete. Works for me...dman


What in the world makes you think these Repukes wont become a waste of oxygen as the rest of them are?;D

We should just gather them all up and toss 'em to the wolves! Good ridance, I say! They've fugged up enough the last 6+ years. Time to put someone with a brain and a conscience in charge!

[bendog]

Bushii can have his "surge," but you have to be blind not to see that Iran and Syria won this one because bushii was stupid enough to go in unilaterally. Iran and Syria can stop the violence, but the US cannot. It really is that simple. It's really no different than Iran's nuke. If it gives Iran status to have a nuke, they'll get one. If the region is more or less united that Iran should not have a nuke, and getting a nuke politically isolates them, they won't get a nuke. Simlarly, if the arab/muslim countries were calling on Iran and Syria to encourage the end of fighting, they would. But so long as the US is there, they won't. The war was lost in 2003, and Obama was the only of the candidates with a chance of winning who had the stones to say it then.

[defenseman]

What in the world makes you think these Repukes wont become a waste of oxygen as the rest of them are?;D

We should just gather them all up and toss 'em to the wolves! Good ridance, I say! They've fugged up enough the last 6+ years. Time to put someone with a brain and a conscience in charge!

WHO do the dems plan to put up? Obama? Broomhillary? Sorry guys, Neither works. They won't nail down the presidency in 08. Need to come up with a better choice...and I'll take a look. Right now anyway, considering the field, I'd have to vote for the best candidate, and the best is not on the dem side of the line, simple as that. Toss in a better candidate, and I'll look at them..dman

*I'm looking at ALL parties, not just the repubs/dems/ whomever. Get the best out there and lets have a look.

[TheDave]

WHO do the dems plan to put up? Obama? Broomhillary? Sorry guys, Neither works. They won't nail down the presidency in 08. Need to come up with a better choice...and I'll take a look. Right now anyway, considering the field, I'd have to vote for the best candidate, and the best is not on the dem side of the line, simple as that. Toss in a better candidate, and I'll look at them..dman

*I'm looking at ALL parties, not just the repubs/dems/ whomever. Get the best out there and lets have a look.

Franly i'm not too impressed with either side. We have the Hillary/Obama/Edwards on the left and on the right we have Guliani/Romney/McCain. I see absolutely no way that Guliani makes it out of the primary... just too many skeletons in the closet. McCain between his ass kissing of the relegious right and hugging of GW is currentely neck and neck with hillary for biggest political opportunist.

I agree that Obama doesn't have the experience, and frakly i've never been that impressed with Edwards.

So i guess our choices come down to Biden or Romney. Currentely i would throw my support to Biden but i'll admit i have little if any knowledge of Romney's stance or history...

Why does this always come down to the lesser of 2 evils?

[bendog]

Practically speaking I think either Obama beats her, or Hillary has a cakewalk in the primary. I'm not sure she is electable. There's no way she takes any southern state, but I suppose Fla is a possible. Still, if she had Richardson on the ticket, she might pick up a few smaller western states, and unless the boy warrior king draws down troops in 07,the war's unpopularity might swing ohio. Also hurting the gop is the fact that to win the primary the candidate will have to support bushii on the war.

[defenseman]

Franly i'm not too impressed with either side. We have the Hillary/Obama/Edwards on the left and on the right we have Guliani/Romney/McCain. I see absolutely no way that Guliani makes it out of the primary... just too many skeletons in the closet. McCain between his ass kissing of the relegious right and hugging of GW is currentely neck and neck with hillary for biggest political opportunist.

I agree that Obama doesn't have the experience, and frakly i've never been that impressed with Edwards.

So i guess our choices come down to Biden or Romney. Currentely i would throw my support to Biden but i'll admit i have little if any knowledge of Romney's stance or history...

Why does this always come down to the lesser of 2 evils?

That is a good question. Romney has had some success fiscally speaking in the past. In addition, Massachusetts, historically a very democratic state elected him governor. That in itself is pretty interesting. I'm thinking he leans conservative, however will have to budge for sure to get the democratic vote. My only question is, given his mormon background, can he swing far enough without sacrificing his mormon "beliefs". It is my understanding they are steadfast on a few issues, abortion and such, and he'll probably not budge. Which makes him unviable in certian respects. However, does he have enough positives to overcome the negatives? Don't know on that one. Time will tell. Giulinni has a liberal take on some issues, conservative on others, and a pretty good track record cleaning up new york, let alone leading them out of 9/11. Right now anyway, I'd say he's got the inside track. After that, don't see the field measuring up to either. Including McCain. He and Broomhillary appear to be cut from the same cloth..dman

[Garcia Bronco]

I am going to have to give Obama the thumbs down

[Garcia Bronco]

Franly i'm not too impressed with either side. We have the Hillary/Obama/Edwards on the left and on the right we have Guliani/Romney/McCain. I see absolutely no way that Guliani makes it out of the primary... just too many skeletons in the closet. McCain between his ass kissing of the relegious right and hugging of GW is currentely neck and neck with hillary for biggest political opportunist.

I agree that Obama doesn't have the experience, and frakly i've never been that impressed with Edwards.

So i guess our choices come down to Biden or Romney. Currentely i would throw my support to Biden but i'll admit i have little if any knowledge of Romney's stance or history...

Why does this always come down to the lesser of 2 evils?

Romney is the guy...he'll do well IMO.

Edwards, Obama, and illary would be a waste of time.

[cutthemdown]

Hillary's lying about Iraq. She's a political opportunist, and the only difference between her and bushii is that she's not a dip****. When Bill wagged his finger in front of that little pos on fox who said "don't you wish you'd done more about osama' and said "I wouldn't have 180K troops stuck in Iraq," he was literally right. Republican/Dem it makes no difference. Hillary shouldn't apologize for her vote. She's doing it to make nice with the anti-war crowd, but she should apologize for not making a peep for the invasion after blix found nothing.

Obama offers a bit more. If a president Obama opened a diplomatic front with our former allies in the ME against Iran, offering to pressure Israel to settle with the Palestinians in exchange for peace, the message would be more difficult for Iran to ignore.

Funny how you say Isreal needs to do anything. The palestinaians wont even say they have right to exist now that Hamas in control. It's not fair to judge Isreal really because of how they have to live. We can argue the logic of giving them palestine but not that they now have a right to defend themselves. They have kids etc etc etc to look out for. Most of what the Palestinians don't have is the fault of Egypt/Jordan/Iraq/Syria who tried to take it back by force and lost. In the process Israel took even more and never gave it back. To the victor goes the spoils. You don't see us giving Texas and California back to Mexico do you? If Mexicans denied our right to exist and started sending bombers to San Diego what would Americans want done about it? that's right we would go from anti-war to bomb the **** out of those Mexicans. And that is exactly what we would do.

[cutthemdown]

:rofl:
Cleaning up GW's mess is not happening in the course of a single presidency,

you can bet that if dems do get white house they will still blame Bush for everything.

[Spider]

Romney is the guy...he'll do well IMO.

Edwards, Obama, and illary would be a waste of time.

LOL a mormon backed by the religious right ......... yeah and Snow whites Cherry had 7 little dents in it

[TheDave]

Romney is the guy...he'll do well IMO.

Edwards, Obama, and illary would be a waste of time.

I need to look into Romney... hopefully we will have some real choices in a year.

[defenseman]

you can bet that if dems do get white house they will still blame Bush for everything.

Yep, this is true...dman

[bendog]

Funny how you say Isreal needs to do anything. The palestinaians wont even say they have right to exist now that Hamas in control. It's not fair to judge Isreal really because of how they have to live. We can argue the logic of giving them palestine but not that they now have a right to defend themselves. They have kids etc etc etc to look out for. Most of what the Palestinians don't have is the fault of Egypt/Jordan/Iraq/Syria who tried to take it back by force and lost. In the process Israel took even more and never gave it back. To the victor goes the spoils. You don't see us giving Texas and California back to Mexico do you? If Mexicans denied our right to exist and started sending bombers to San Diego what would Americans want done about it? that's right we would go from anti-war to bomb the **** out of those Mexicans. And that is exactly what we would do.

You missed the pt earlier in the post about having the arab states pressure Iran to stop supporting a non-recognition position.

Romney flip flopped from being open to gay civil unions to being .... Pat Robertsons lap dog.

[TailgateNut]

Yep, this is true...dman


If I find dog **** in my back yard, I generally don't blame the cat!

[defenseman]

If I find dog **** in my back yard, I generally don't blame the cat!

Nonetheless, if a democrat is elected, for the next four years, the previous president will be to blame. The repubs are no different. They blamed some stuff on slick willy that he really was not responsible for. Some maybe, but I'm of the mind, when you call the ball, YOU got the ball, not the other guy. They need to worry about negotiating present conditions, and learn from the past, quit pointing damn fingers and fix it for once, and move on...dman

[TailgateNut]

Nonetheless, if a democrat is elected, for the next four years, the previous president will be to blame. The repubs are no different. They blamed some stuff on slick willy that he really was not responsible for. Some maybe, but I'm of the mind, when you call the ball, YOU got the ball, not the other guy. They need to worry about negotiating present conditions, and learn from the past, quit pointing damn fingers and fix it for once, and move on...dman

I don't want them to point fingers, I want them to show him the door, and pronto! Today would be just fine, and next week is better than next year. Get the Flunky out of the white house. Our country deserves a president with an ounce of integrity, someone who can converse intelligently, someone who will not lie for monetary gains and self serving agenda.
I know this will kill your anti female stance, but even Hillary would do better, not that she will receive my vote.

[defenseman]

I don't want them to point fingers, I want them to show him the door, and pronto! Today would be just fine, and next week is better than next year. Get the Flunky out of the white house. Our country deserves a president with an ounce of integrity, someone who can converse intelligently, someone who will not lie for monetary gains and self serving agenda.
I know this will kill your anti female stance, but even Hillary would do better, not that she will receive my vote.

Female has nothing to do with it. She's a chameleon in a skirt and will bend like a reed in the wind. She's not to be trusted..dman

*GW, will be gone soon enough. Let the best candidate be elected , not the best of the worst for once.

[elsid13]

It still to early to tell. Bad news for the current front runners is those folk usually don't win. I waiting for either Mark Warner (former Democrat gov of VA) or Gov Mike Huckabee (R) to be one of the candidates.

[Taco John]

Obama is going to run away with the whole pie.

[Rascal]

Obama's policies are so liberal I don't think he is electable. Which is unfortunate because he seems to have the the right mindset and attitude about the job.

[cutthemdown]

You missed the pt earlier in the post about having the arab states pressure Iran to stop supporting a non-recognition position.

Romney flip flopped from being open to gay civil unions to being .... Pat Robertsons lap dog.

ok for sure recognizing israel would be a saavy move by Iran. They just miss the boat!!!! If they did that it would put all the pressure on Israel. As it is Israel can just say they don't even give us the right to exist how can concede anything to them etc etc.

[bendog]

I dunno. I mean Obama isn't liberal in the LBJ mode. He's work as a state senator was more aimed at giving people access to acquire skills to get better jobs. I think issues like raising the min wage, higher taxes on the richest or somehow taxing the huge corp profits to lessen the deficits, health care, making college more affordable for working poor .... are winners.

[Spider]

I dunno. I mean Obama isn't liberal in the LBJ mode. He's work as a state senator was more aimed at giving people access to acquire skills to get better jobs. I think issues like raising the min wage, higher taxes on the richest or somehow taxing the huge corp profits to lessen the deficits, health care, making college more affordable for working poor .... are winners.
they are winners , but I cant get past the drug use ............

[defenseman]

Obama's policies are so liberal I don't think he is electable. Which is unfortunate because he seems to have the the right mindset and attitude about the job.

this is why he will not be elected...dman

[Rohirrim]

I've decided I'll start paying attention to this presidential election in June of 2008.

[bendog]

spider, not to be personal, but I thought you described yourself as a former thug.

I myself was either drunk or stoned or both 24/7 for over a decade. I doubt you'll find any candidate under the age of 60 who hasn't used drugs at some pt.

[Spider]

spider, not to be personal, but I thought you described yourself as a former thug.

I myself was either drunk or stoned or both 24/7 for over a decade. I doubt you'll find any candidate under the age of 60 who hasn't used drugs at some pt.

I was , thats why I wouldnt vote for me either .......... ;)

[Spider]

But yeah , I do not have the self control , to walk away or turn the other cheek , much like the chance of Obama getting elected , things get to hard , he gets high to help him cope .........