Kiper Pre-Combine Projections

[epicSocialism4tw]

Kiper: Just as Taco John knows, angryllama was right. ;D

Adrian Peterson's buzz is beginning to gain momentum. Kiper says that he is expected to run around a 4.37, to display a near-40 inch vertical leap and measure around 6' 1+" and 220+ lbs. Kiper goes on to say that teams may have been attempting to move up to draft him. He specifically mentioned Denver in another interview.

Here are his projections:



1.Oakland Raiders
JaMarcus Russell*
QB
LSU

2.Detroit Lions
Joe Thomas
OT
Wisconsin

3 or 4. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Calvin Johnson*
WR
Georgia Tech

4 or 3. Cleveland Browns
Adrian Peterson*
RB
Oklahoma

5. Arizona Cardinals
Gaines Adams
DE
Clemson

6. Washington Redskins
Jamaal Anderson*
DE
Arkansas

7. Minnesota Vikings
Ted Ginn Jr.*
WR
Ohio State

8. Houston Texans
Levi Brown
OT
Penn State

9. Miami Dolphins
Brady Quinn
QB
Notre Dame

10. Atlanta Falcons
LaRon Landry
S
LSU

11. San Francisco 49ers
Alan Branch*
DT
Michigan

12. Buffalo Bills
Amobi Okoye
DT
Louisville

13. St. Louis Rams
Charles Johnson*
DE
Georgia

14. Carolina Panthers
Dwayne Bowe
WR
LSU

15. Pittsburgh Steelers
Jarvis Moss*
DE
Florida

16. Green Bay Packers
Marshawn Lynch*
RB
California

17. Jacksonville Jaguars
Sidney Rice*
WR
South Carolina

18. Cincinnati Bengals
Leon Hall
CB
Michigan

19. Tennessee Titans
Dwayne Jarrett*
WR
USC

20. New York Giants
Lawrence Timmons*
LB
Florida State

21. Denver Broncos
Adam Carriker
DE
Nebraska

22. Dallas Cowboys
Reggie Nelson*
DB
Florida

23. Kansas City Chiefs
Aaron Ross
CB
Texas

24. New England Patriots (from SEA)
Daymeion Hughes
CB
California

25. New York Jets
Robert Meachem*
WR
Tennessee

26. Philadelphia Eagles
Tim Crowder
DE
Texas

27. New Orleans Saints
Darrelle Revis*
CB
Pittsburgh

28. New England Patriots
Anthony Gonzalez*
WR
Ohio State

29. Baltimore Ravens
Anthony Spencer
DE
Purdue

30. San Diego Chargers
Patrick Willis
LB
Ole Miss

31. Chicago Bears
Arron Sears
OL
Tennessee

32. Indianapolis Colts
Justin Harrell
DT
Tennessee

[Rascal]

If Branch falls to 11 we need to be jumping on that ass like TJ on Amaechi.

Not sure if I want Carriker over Nelson either.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I'm still trying to figure out why you're blowing yourself when everyone said 3 years ago that Peterson would put up those numbers at the Combine.

Congrats on stating what everyone already knew!!

[footstepsfrom#27]

Levi Brown seems to be rising...I was hoping he'd fall instead. Look at it this way...if Jay goes down it won't matter who plays in the D-line anyway.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I'm still trying to figure out why you're blowing yourself when everyone said 3 years ago that Peterson would put up those numbers at the Combine.
Congrats on stating what everyone already knew!!

Thanks. More to come. Keep tuning in.

[Mr. Trout]

Carriker seems like a solid player but not the impact player we need. If it shakes out like this they should go with Nelson who could play corner which we need and safety which we will eventually need.

[400HZ]

This list looks pretty suspect to me outside of the top 7 or so.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Kiper: Just as Taco John knows, angryllama was right. ;D

Adrian Peterson's buzz is beginning to gain momentum. Kiper says that he is expected to run around a 4.37,He won't run under 4.4.

[Mr. Trout]

http://www.gatorzone.com/football/images/bioimg2006/71.jpg


Strengths:
An outstanding natural athlete...Good speed and quickness with terrific range...A ballhawk and impact playmaker in the secondary...Is very instinctive...Aggressive, physical and a big hitter who plays much bigger than he is...Is more than willing to come up and help support the run...Versatile and may be able to play multiple positions...Very productive and has a knack for being around the action...Upside.

Weaknesses:
Has less than 11/2 seasons of Division I starting experience...Size is only average and he does not have the ideal bulk that you would prefer...Intelligence is a huge issue and he was not known to be a very good student...Not a great tackler and is often times more worried about delivering a knockout blow than he is wrapping up...He can be physically overmatched in-the-box...Has some durability concerns.

Notes:
A standout JUCO transfer from Coffeyville (Kan.) Community College...Some feel he may also be able to play cornerback at the next level...Coming off a fantastic junior campaign where he was a finalist for a number of national awards...Classic centerfielder...Very similar in many ways to Michael Huff but not quite as good of a prospect...Fast-riser who is a lock to be one of the first defensive backs chosen.
Career Statistics
Year GP TKL PBU INT YDS
2003 JUCO - - - -
2004 JUCO - - - -
2005 11 46 1 1 6
2006 14 51 5 6 70
Totals 25 97 6 7 76

[Florida_Bronco]

Carriker seems like a solid player but not the impact player we need. If it shakes out like this they should go with Nelson who could play corner which we need and safety which we will eventually need.

He's gonna be an impact player, just not a flashy one.

[Steve Sewell]

Carriker seems like a solid player but not the impact player we need. If it shakes out like this they should go with Nelson who could play corner which we need and safety which we will eventually need.

When you think of Carriker, think of Grant Wistrom, only less productive.

[Steve Sewell]

http://www.gatorzone.com/football/images/bioimg2006/71.jpg


Strengths:
An outstanding natural athlete...Good speed and quickness with terrific range...A ballhawk and impact playmaker in the secondary...Is very instinctive...Aggressive, physical and a big hitter who plays much bigger than he is...Is more than willing to come up and help support the run...Versatile and may be able to play multiple positions...Very productive and has a knack for being around the action...Upside.

Weaknesses:
Has less than 11/2 seasons of Division I starting experience...Size is only average and he does not have the ideal bulk that you would prefer...Intelligence is a huge issue and he was not known to be a very good student...Not a great tackler and is often times more worried about delivering a knockout blow than he is wrapping up...He can be physically overmatched in-the-box...Has some durability concerns.

Notes:
A standout JUCO transfer from Coffeyville (Kan.) Community College...Some feel he may also be able to play cornerback at the next level...Coming off a fantastic junior campaign where he was a finalist for a number of national awards...Classic centerfielder...Very similar in many ways to Michael Huff but not quite as good of a prospect...Fast-riser who is a lock to be one of the first defensive backs chosen.
Career Statistics
Year GP TKL PBU INT YDS
2003 JUCO - - - -
2004 JUCO - - - -
2005 11 46 1 1 6
2006 14 51 5 6 70
Totals 25 97 6 7 76

No thanks I'll pass...

[crush17]

Do you guys think there is a scenario where the Broncos could package their 1st rounder, Plummer and one of the Bells to Cleveland for thier 1st round pick?

Cleveland is not exactly doing the greatest at QB or RB....

[Florida_Bronco]

When you think of Carriker, think of Grant Wistrom, only less productive.

Carriker and Grant Wistrom are totally different types of players.

[shakenbake]

Breaking news...Adrian Peterson is a freak.

[400HZ]

Breaking news...Adrian Peterson is a freak.

I thought you were gonna say he broke something again :~ohyah!:

[Dukes]

AD would be a great pick IF he could stay healthy, which everyone knows he can't/won't

[Rock Chalk]

I hate when I see asterisks and then no footnote to explain why there are asterisks.

[ludo21]

We wont draft Peterson, stop it with the talk ;D

Agreed with Branch, if isnt drafted by slot 10, we gotta move up and get him. He will be studly!

Carriker would be great here as well, so no complaints there, but id really have to consider Nelson, he is going to be a good one too.

[ludo21]

* indicate underclassmen...i think ;D

[-Slap-]

Michael Griffin will be a better pro than Nelson.

[Rock Chalk]

* indicate underclassmen...i think ;D

Thanks!

[epicSocialism4tw]

* indicate underclassmen...i think ;D

Yep.

[SoonerBronco]

He won't run under 4.4.


He ran a 4.35 and 4.37 before the start of football last summer. I'll be suprised if he runs over a 4.4.

[SoonerBronco]

AD would be a great pick IF he could stay healthy, which everyone knows he can't/won't

Great...another soothsayer that can look into the future with enought certainty to say that a player will not stay healthy...you guys are freaking amazing.

[SoonerBronco]

I thought you were gonna say he broke something again :~ohyah!:

don't worry...I'm sure we'll be reminded at least 5 more times before this thread is over.

[ludo21]

Great...another soothsayer that can look into the future with enought certainty to say that a player will not stay healthy...you guys are freaking amazing.

his upright running syle scares people.

His upside his amazing and easily top 5 best in college coming out, but a team is going to have to take that risk that one or 2 big shots could hurt him with the way he runs.

[epicSocialism4tw]

his upright running syle scares people.

His upside his amazing and easily top 5 best in college coming out, but a team is going to have to take that risk that one or 2 big shots could hurt him with the way he runs.

He can be coached to clean up his style. I dont think that that is an issue.

[Dukes]

Great...another soothsayer that can look into the future with enought certainty to say that a player will not stay healthy...you guys are freaking amazing.

So your disputing the fact that he didn't have ONE fully healthy season in college?

[footstepsfrom#27]

He can be coached to clean up his style. I dont think that that is an issue.
Rep. I've been waiting for somebody to say that.

[SoonerBronco]

his upright running syle scares people.

His upside his amazing and easily top 5 best in college coming out, but a team is going to have to take that risk that one or 2 big shots could hurt him with the way he runs.

Listen, I completely understand...but after three years and 747 carries, 4045 yards, and 41 tds...to only have a sprained ancle and a broken collar bone with his running style only tells me that he is a superb athlete. Erik Dickerson had a similar upright style and he didn't turn out that bad. Durability should not be a major concern, and if what Kiper says is true, that teams are lining up to trade up and get him, then the GM's and Owners must not be that concerned either.

[ludo21]

He can be coached to clean up his style. I dont think that that is an issue.


very true.

He can be beastly, but the fact he hasnt had 1 healthy year is a concern. But if he is there and we take him, i wont whine ;D

[SoonerBronco]

So your disputing the fact that he didn't have ONE fully healthy season in college?

I am disputing that fact that you seem to think he won't stay healthly in his pro career. Neither you, I, or anyone else know.

[TexanBob]

I remember a running back at Florida many years ago who was injury prone and seemed to disappear in big games. He's now in the Hall of Fame as the NFL's all-time rushing leader.

There was another running back who was injury-prone during his career at Pitt. And yet Curtis Martin had a long, successful NFL career.

Sometimes the guys who get dinged in college have less wear and tear than the college workhorse and turns into the better pro.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I remember a running back at Florida many years ago who was injury prone and seemed to disappear in big games. He's now in the Hall of Fame as the NFL's all-time rushing leader.

There was another running back who was injury-prone during his career at Pitt. And yet Curtis Martin had a long, successful NFL career.

Sometimes the guys who get dinged in college have less wear and tear than the college workhorse and turns into the better pro.

Terrell Davis.

If I could go into this draft knowing that I get 4-5 seasons of Davis' production out of a player, I take him #1.

[SoonerBronco]

I remember a running back at Florida many years ago who was injury prone and seemed to disappear in big games. He's now in the Hall of Fame as the NFL's all-time rushing leader.

There was another running back who was injury-prone during his career at Pitt. And yet Curtis Martin had a long, successful NFL career.

Sometimes the guys who get dinged in college have less wear and tear than the college workhorse and turns into the better pro.

Bob...I never thought I would say this to you...but...i agree 100%. This lameo excuse is nothing more than having folks who haven't watched him play and regurgetating info from some sports talking heads.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Rep. I've been waiting for somebody to say that.

I talked about his on another thread some time ago. His injuries werent due directly to some uncorrectable flaw in his running style. The ankle injuries were due to players tackling him at the knee and below while Peterson tried to do too much. He just has to learn when to explode and when to fall for an extra yard. Peterson has to learn a bit of patience when he's not in a short yardage situation. He tries to break the big one every time.

[SoonerBronco]

Peterson has to learn a bit of patience when he's not in a short yardage situation. He tries to break the big one every time.

but when he does break one...it's a beautiful thing...

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[cutthemdown]

Do you guys think there is a scenario where the Broncos could package their 1st rounder, Plummer and one of the Bells to Cleveland for thier 1st round pick?

Cleveland is not exactly doing the greatest at QB or RB....

I don't think so.

[epicSocialism4tw]

but when he does break one...it's a beautiful thing...


Gotta love the play where he charges head on at Mike Huff, lowers his head, and decleats him.

AD is one tough dude.

[SoonerBronco]

Gotta love the play where he charges head on at Mike Huff, lowers his head, and decleats him.

AD is one tough dude.

I like the one against Tulsa where he runs over one guy, runs through the next, and then stiff arms the last one to the ground. Stever Kragthorpe was on the radio after that game and said "we had 11 guys try to tackle him and he ran through them all like a frieght train."

[Mr. Trout]

Sell the farm for AD..

[SureShot]

One thing is for sure, it will be nice to get badass MF'er finally out of the Big XII.

[DivineLegion]

One thing is for sure, it will be nice to get badass MF'er finally out of the Big XII.

I know the last one we got was so mighty and mouse like...

[chaz]

Sell the farm for AD..

i dont see why people are so opposed to giving up our first this year and next for him, throw in plummer too....we did it to get our franchise qb, why not the franchise rb to go along with him?!

[BombsOverBaghdad]

Listen, I completely understand...but after three years and 747 carries, 4045 yards, and 41 tds...to only have a sprained ancle and a broken collar bone with his running style only tells me that he is a superb athlete. Erik Dickerson had a similar upright style and he didn't turn out that bad. Durability should not be a major concern, and if what Kiper says is true, that teams are lining up to trade up and get him, then the GM's and Owners must not be that concerned either.

Sooner, (not knowing your age), my compliments on this post.

I vividly remember the Pony Express -- AP so much reminds me of a young Dickerson -- ONLY BIGGER!

Running back is our largest problem -- trade up to get AP or trade down for Bush

[Bronco_Beerslug]

He ran a 4.35 and 4.37 before the start of football last summer. I'll be suprised if he runs over a 4.4.Then the dude must be super human, right? He won't run under a 4.0 at the combine.

[Broncojef]

Gimme some AD and this team will officially be fun to watch again. After years of Griese and the stagnant crap the beginning of this year we deserve to see a good offense again.

[youcandoit1687]

Gimme some AD and this team will officially be fun to watch again. After years of Griese and the stagnant crap the beginning of this year we deserve to see a good offense again.

Yeah, jeez having a top five offense every other year sure didn't make up for two bad years out of ten.

There is no way AD comes anywhere within our reach(#6 for all of our picks), after the combines, every GM, owner, scout, and water boy will have a man crush on him. The guy is a physical beast. If Kiper really thinks that Branch slips to 11, I am all for it giving away full value for that pick, Branch would be great. He would restore our LB corps, show that we actually have a pass rush from the ends but the QB can just slip the ball or himself through the middle since we get no DT push. It may take him a half year or so to grasp it but I think he would have the biggest impact we could hope for.

[chrisp]

I do have a gut feeling that yet again the broncos will be looking to move up, but I think that if they do, they will have a group fo maybe 4-5 players they are expecting to be available - they won't get hung up on one player, and then be completely lost and blow the pick if he's gone before they pick.

I remember the year we took DJ - we might have taken Tommie Harris if he was still around but he had gone....what would people be saying about our D-line if THAT had happened....

Of course this speculation suggests that we will have the ammunition to move up like we did that year, which I'm not sure we do - if we move at all in the first round it will probably be only a few places or so, which means that we can be even LESS certain of who will be there when we pick.

Peterson would be sweet though - and I'm pretty sure that RB is high on Shanny's draft list. Its easier for rookie RBs to make an impact, and we've never drafted one in the first round.

Rather than drooling over Peterson, however, we should be looking at the lesser backs who migh be around at #21 and may fit our style - we often go for someone that no-one's expecting....

[SoonerBronco]

Then the dude must be super human, right?

Have you been reading this thread??? If so, then you'd know that he was...:wiggle: