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Hercules Rockefeller
02-06-2007, 11:51 AM
http://www.gbnreport.com/2007projection.html
21 Denver Adam Carriker DE Nebraska
56 Denver Tony Hunt RB Penn State
I'd rather take Brian Leonard than Hunt in the second, I think he's got more potential to be an every down back.
ludo21
02-06-2007, 12:20 PM
what?
Leonard will not be an NFL caliber back imo.
Hunt is off the board early, but i would love him in our system
Traveler
02-06-2007, 12:20 PM
http://www.gbnreport.com/2007projection.html
21 Denver Adam Carriker DE Nebraska
56 Denver Tony Hunt RB Penn State
I could definitely go with these picks.:notworthy
Rohirrim
02-06-2007, 12:39 PM
what?
Leonard will not be an NFL caliber back imo.
Hunt is off the board early, but i would love him in our system
He's 6'1", 240, and runs a 4.5 forty, and might pull a 4.4 at the combine, plus he plays every down like a maniac on the field. You're kidding, right? ;D
what?
Leonard will not be an NFL caliber back imo.
Hunt is off the board early, but i would love him in our system
Why not? He ran a mid 4.5's at his FB weight, if by dropping down to 229 he can run in the 4.4s he'd look pretty damn capable if you ask me. He's an agile runner with good moves and power, has some of the best hands you'll find in this RB class, and is easily better in pass protection than every other HB candidate out there.
Just because he was an FB in college doesn't mean he can't be a productive HB in the NFL. I wouldn't hate picking Hunt, I think he offers good upside as well, but Leonard has a much better all around game.
mattob14
02-06-2007, 01:42 PM
If Griffin falls to 47, we've got to find a way to move up. He and Carriker would make for an amazing draft day.
Oh, and something tells me NE fans wouldn't be too upset by a Meacham/Houston first round.
Rohirrim
02-06-2007, 01:49 PM
If Griffin falls to 47, we've got to find a way to move up. He and Carriker would make for an amazing draft day.
Oh, and something tells me NE fans wouldn't be too upset by a Meacham/Houston first round.
I would hate it if the Pats got Meacham. The Huddle mock has them taking Brian Leonard with one of those picks, which would also piss me off. Belichick is just the kind of coach who could see the possibilities in Leonard.
I could definitely go with these picks.:notworthy
Yup, not bad selections either of them.
I like Hunt but i'm not sure if that is because there is a shortage of guys there. He has so many qualities... big, great statistics this past year... I just see him as a poor man's TJ Duckett.
I would be much more in favor of using a 3rd rounder as trade bait to move up and get either Mebane (DT) or Griffin (S). I think coming away with one of those guys and Carriker would be a huge steal for us.
ludo21
02-06-2007, 03:11 PM
Why not? He ran a mid 4.5's at his FB weight, if by dropping down to 229 he can run in the 4.4s he'd look pretty damn capable if you ask me. He's an agile runner with good moves and power, has some of the best hands you'll find in this RB class, and is easily better in pass protection than every other HB candidate out there.
Just because he was an FB in college doesn't mean he can't be a productive HB in the NFL. I wouldn't hate picking Hunt, I think he offers good upside as well, but Leonard has a much better all around game.
hmmm, i didnt know he was that fast ......
ill watch some stuff on him, maybe im wrong, but i just dont know yet on him. But those stats are sick, and he would be an excellent guy to have stay in and block.
I agree that if Griffin falls to 47, we gotta move up and take him.
Rohirrim
02-06-2007, 03:17 PM
Yup, not bad selections either of them.
I like Hunt but i'm not sure if that is because there is a shortage of guys there. He has so many qualities... big, great statistics this past year... I just see him as a poor man's TJ Duckett.
I would be much more in favor of using a 3rd rounder as trade bait to move up and get either Mebane (DT) or Griffin (S). I think coming away with one of those guys and Carriker would be a huge steal for us.
If we came out of this draft with Carriker and Mebane I don't know what I'd do, but I know it would involve champagne. ;D
Bronco LB 59
02-06-2007, 03:17 PM
Just because he was an FB in college doesn't mean he can't be a productive HB in the NFL.
Leonard wasn't even strictly a fullback at Rutgers. During his first three seasons, he lined up as a halfback quite frequently. I would have no problem if he was Denver's starter.
If we came out of this draft with Carriker and Mebane I don't know what I'd do, but I know it would involve champagne. ;D
Warren and Mebane on the front line would be a load for opposing teams to handle. Both can take multiple blockers easily, and our LB's would have a lot of space to run which they need. We need to keep linemen off of them.
I really think we should just commit to the DLine. I know that we need to get the BPA available and that will be determined by how the draft plays out but we should be making strong pushes to get Justin Smith in FA, try to draft Carriker, Mebane, and even Harrell out of Tennessee. We need some big body horses to get some damn push up front.
The thing I was most disappointed about last season wasn't missing the playoffs... or the offense... or the lack of one running back... it was that running teams finished us off in the 4th quarter. They exerted their will upon us and we broke. I hate being passed on like nobody else but to have the football crammed down our throats, it like suffering a slow death and demoralizing.
The 49ers just kicked our ass up front. Watch that game and see our defensive line getting blown 3 yards off the ball on running plays. Al Wilson didn't play but it didn't matter... our defensive line was getting eaten alive.
We play in a conference with three of the better HB's in the league. There is a possibility that Oakland could even go with a guy like Adrian Peterson with would make three upper-echelon backs in our division. I know we are drafting to beat the Colts but if we can't even get out of our own division, it won't even matter. We need to draft to stop the Chiefs and chargers from running all over us which happened on four occations this year.
Leonard wasn't even strictly a fullback at Rutgers. During his first three seasons, he lined up as a halfback quite frequently. I would have no problem if he was Denver's starter.
Exactly, he was a FB because you can't keep a guy like Ray Rice off the field, but the same goes for Leonard and he was the one capable of playing FB on a regular basis. He played on some piss poor Rutgers teams, and was one of the biggest reasons they turned around a 1-11 '02 season into a 5-7 '03 campaign.
Want to talk about athleticism, check out his vertical while weighing in the mid 230's.
http://images.usatoday.com/sports/_photos/2006/09/27/leonard.jpg http://espn-ak.starwave.com/photo/2006/0926/ncf_u_leonard_195.jpg
Or better yet, check out a highlight vid at http://www.brianleonard23.com/ on the multimedia page.
I think he's got the potential to really rise at the combine, he should test out pretty impressively.
zdoor
02-06-2007, 04:57 PM
I'd be nice if Carriker is still there but I doubt it...
Billy Clyde Puckett
02-06-2007, 05:23 PM
I'm not drinking the Carriker Koolaid. I watched 7-8 Nebraska games each of the last two years and he went down hill in his senior year. Huskers will talk about him being double teamed all of the time this year, but he was probably double teamed less in 2006 than in 2005. I saw plenty of dog in a couple of games.
I haven't watched that many Husker games and I was skeptical about him going into the senior bowl. His performance there though was very impressive. I think he can be a great LDE handling right tackles. He isn't a speed guy but his strength, size and reach are going to be problems for opposing offenses to handle.
If you are looking for 14-18 sacks from this guy, forget it... he isn't that type of player. He is a guy that will stack the point of attack on running plays and will take up a lot of blockers while pushing the pocket which is something that we need. Basically he would be our healthy Courtney Brown this upcoming season.
I don't think he would be a bad pick at all. In fact, I think he instantly upgrades our run defense. Now we just need to add to that. Don't forget, he is also going to bring a lot of versatility with him as a DT and also DE.
elsid13
02-06-2007, 05:39 PM
hmmm, i didnt know he was that fast ......
ill watch some stuff on him, maybe im wrong, but i just dont know yet on him. But those stats are sick, and he would be an excellent guy to have stay in and block.
I agree that if Griffin falls to 47, we gotta move up and take him.
Leonard was a very good starting running back and ran a lot of the one rb sets at Rutgers. The only reason he moved over is because Rice is a special player and they need to get him on the field.
I want a helping of Rice on this team after next season. That guy is going to be really good. Great body lean, build, and explosive too. If he could come out this year, I would take him over everybody except maybe AP... might even consider that one too. Rice is very good for Rutgers.
elsid13
02-06-2007, 05:50 PM
I want a helping of Rice on this team after next season. That guy is going to be really good. Great body lean, build, and explosive too. If he could come out this year, I would take him over everybody except maybe AP... might even consider that one too. Rice is very good for Rutgers.
You and me both. I think he would be the prefect back for the Denver Zone blocking scheme. Next year should be a banner year for RBs. That why I think Denver should go after DL, WR and Secondary in this draft that were the strength is.
Mr. Trout
02-06-2007, 06:24 PM
Get on the phone with Kubes and pull this deal. Our 1st and 2nd rounders and Plummer to move up and take Peterson with their pick
broncs2bowl
02-06-2007, 06:27 PM
Im all for the RB and all....but id rather have Mebane or Kareem Brown to add on with Carriker
Ray Finkle
02-06-2007, 06:29 PM
Get on the phone with Kubes and pull this deal. Our 1st and 2nd rounders and Plummer to move up and take Peterson with their pick
Yeah great deal....would Kubiak use astro lube while he is bending us over on that one?
elsid13
02-06-2007, 06:38 PM
Get on the phone with Kubes and pull this deal. Our 1st and 2nd rounders and Plummer to move up and take Peterson with their pick
Why not just trade a practice player for the pick???
It not happening, because 1. Kubes isn't stupid and 2. Shanahan isn't stupid to destroy the depth/future of this team.
BombsOverBaghdad
02-06-2007, 08:03 PM
If we came out of this draft with Carriker and Mebane I don't know what I'd do, but I know it would involve champagne. ;D
And I will gladly buy ^5
I really like Mebane, Weddell, & Bush in the 2nd round.
You and me both. I think he would be the prefect back for the Denver Zone blocking scheme. Next year should be a banner year for RBs. That why I think Denver should go after DL, WR and Secondary in this draft that were the strength is.
I feel the same, besides AP I don't feel that great about any one HB this year. I love Hunt's size but I just don't know how he is going to translate in the NFL. He is going to have a tough time unless a team open's huge holes. I think he could be moderately successful in Denver but I feel like that about any HB who is worth a damn.
Kenny Irons has great explosiveness but i'm worried about his durability.
There are a few other guys who are interesting like Walker from ND but far from sure bet's. I would rather just pick up somebody like Jamal Lewis for the season to pair with Mike Bell (to challenge and find out what he really has ability-wise because he could be very good going into his second year) and see where we end up at the end of next season. If HB is still a problem i think there will be a lot more talent for us to choose from in the next draft.
Committ this draft infusing some talent and youth at DE, DT, WR, and S.
Damn solid draft for you guys there. An albino Trevor Pryce and a really underrated RB. Really nice.
Loving Calvin Johnson in Rd1. Not really feeling the idea of taking a guard in Rd2. We just drafted two last April.
Also, we're apparantly going to start using that infamous Denver chop-blocking scheme this year. We just hired an Alex Gibbs disciple to coach the OL, so that could get interesting. As such, I'm thinking that adding more high round OLs won't be in the cards for us.
watermock
02-10-2007, 03:50 AM
Great...a Nebraska DL and a Penn State RB...maybe we can take a Tennessee WR then.
elsid13
02-10-2007, 08:13 AM
Great...a Nebraska DL and a Penn State RB...maybe we can take a Tennessee WR then.
IF we could pick up Mechmen (Tenn WR) instead of Hunt I would believe Denver would have had nice day.
brother love
02-10-2007, 12:33 PM
As a PSU fan, I like Tony Hunt a lot.
He's big and deceptively fast and runs extremely hard. he blocks well also but he fumbles a little too much for my liking
DBroncos4life
02-10-2007, 01:22 PM
Great...a Nebraska DL and a Penn State RB...maybe we can take a Tennessee WR then.
um drunk, Nebraska has produced some pretty good DL players.
There are a few other guys who are interesting like Walker from ND but far from sure bet's. I would rather just pick up somebody like Jamal Lewis for the season to pair with Mike Bell (to challenge and find out what he really has ability-wise because he could be very good going into his second year) and see where we end up at the end of next season. If HB is still a problem i think there will be a lot more talent for us to choose from in the next draft.
Committ this draft infusing some talent and youth at DE, DT, WR, and S.
I'd personally prefer a vet and a rookie added this year, with Tatum moved while he has high value.
Something like signing Jamal Lewis, Ricky Williams, or Ahman Green, trade Tatum for a 3rd, and take an RB either in the late 3rd (Walker for example) or in the 5th where we could take one of the D1-AA projects or someone like Ally Brousard. Let them fight it out along with Mike Bell and Nash.
Tatum's only role of value on this team is as a 10 carries per gamebreaker, if we bring in a veteran like Lewis the Bells will be splitting about 10 carries, not enough for either to get going.
I'd personally prefer a vet and a rookie added this year, with Tatum moved while he has high value.
Something like signing Jamal Lewis, Ricky Williams, or Ahman Green, trade Tatum for a 3rd, and take an RB either in the late 3rd (Walker for example) or in the 5th where we could take one of the D1-AA projects or someone like Ally Brousard. Let them fight it out along with Mike Bell and Nash.
Tatum's only role of value on this team is as a 10 carries per gamebreaker, if we bring in a veteran like Lewis the Bells will be splitting about 10 carries, not enough for either to get going.
Alley Broussard is a ****ing freight train....after watching some tape on him he might be my #2 back that i'd like to take, right after my #1 mr. adrian itsnevergonnahappen peterson. really though, broussard just runs people over and he's fast. what are the knocks on him?
elsid13
02-10-2007, 02:11 PM
Alley Broussard is a ****ing freight train....after watching some tape on him he might be my #2 back that i'd like to take, right after my #1 mr. adrian itsnevergonnahappen peterson. really though, broussard just runs people over and he's fast. what are the knocks on him?
Knee injuries.
Knee injuries.
frank gore??
how come he didnt get invited to the combine??
elsid13
02-10-2007, 02:19 PM
frank gore??
how come he didnt get invited to the combine??
Not as bad, Gore had multiply ACL tears. And some team needs to put on the list to get invited to the combined, but it not a big deal because LSU will have PRO Day
watermock
02-10-2007, 02:32 PM
Douchebag
Something like signing Jamal Lewis, Ricky Williams, or Ahman Green, trade Tatum for a 3rd,
All three of those backs are washed up and Tater wouldn't garner a third, no way. Maybe you forgot that he lost his starting spot at the begining of the season to an undrafted rookie.
watermock
02-10-2007, 02:50 PM
um drunk, Nebraska has produced some pretty good DL players.
Nebraska is famous for busts actually, Penn State for busts at RB diaper boy finally woke up tho, and Tennesee WR's are notorious busts.
2000- (three)
2nd round-Mike Brown, ROV, Chicago
3rd round-Steve Warren, DT, Green Bay
5th round-Ralph Brown, CB, New York Giants
2001- (seven)
2nd round-Kyle Vanden Bosch, RE, Arizona
2nd round-Dominic Raiola, C, Detroit
4th round-Carlos Polk, LB, San Diego
4th round-Correll Buckhalter, RB, Philadelphia
5th round-Russ Hochstein, OG, Tampa Bay
6th round-Bobby Newcombe, WR/Returns, Arizona
6th round-Dan Alexander, RB, Tennessee
2002- (four)
2nd round-Toniu Fonoti, OG, San Diego
3rd round-Eric Crouch, WR, St. Louis
4th round-Keyuo Craver, CB, New Orleans
7th round-Tracey Wistrom, TE, Tampa Bay
2003- (four)
2nd round-Chris Kelsay, RE, Buffalo
4th round-DeJuan Grose, CB, St. Louis
7th round-Josh Brown, PK, Seattle
7th round-Scott Shanle, LB, St. Louis
2004- (five)
4th round-Demorrio Williams, LB, Atlanta
6th round-Jammal Lord, FS, Houston
6th round-Josh Sewell, C, Denver
7th round-Ryon Bingham, DT, San Diego
7th round-Trevor Johnson, DE, New York Jets
2005- (three)
1st round-Fabian Washington, CB, Oakland
2nd round-Barrett Ruud, LB, Tampa Bay
2nd round-Josh Bullocks, S, New Orleans
2006- (four)
2nd round-Daniel Bullocks, S, Detroit
6th round-Sam Koch, P, Baltimore
6th round-LeKevin Smith, DT, New England
7th round-Titus Adams, DE, New York Jets
You want to point out all the great draft picks?
Vander Bosch and Kelsay is it.
Broncoman13
02-10-2007, 10:23 PM
Nebraska is famous for busts actually, Penn State for busts at RB diaper boy finally woke up tho, and Tennesee WR's are notorious busts.
You want to point out all the great draft picks?
Vander Bosch and Kelsay is it.
Odd that you'd go through the trouble of finding all of those names and forget to mention your hero Donte Stallworth who is from Tennessee. Also don't forget Peerless Price who may not be all world, but he's been a pretty good #2 and #3 WR over the years.
You find a school that hasn't produced a bust and you'll have an argument. Even the mighty Ohio States and Miami's have produced players that you could call "busts".
As a rule of thumb I would agree with you that you should stay away from RB's from Penn St, WR's from Tenn, and Dlinemen from Nebraska. However, I'd love a draft that gave us Robert Meachem (@21), Carriker (@21) or Tony Hunt (#70). This year's DE's from Nebraska are both good players. I wouldn't mind Moore in the 3rd round either.
NFLBRONCO
02-11-2007, 12:11 AM
If Denver drafts a Neb DL I'll hope for the best. I've never been high on drafting Neb players though so I agree more with Mock on this one.
BTW I saw Football friday the scout talked about Carriker and him being slow and needs to work on his pass rush skills. Talked about him playing in a 3-4 scheme. He thinks he will go mid 1st.
WABronco
02-11-2007, 01:17 AM
Alley Broussard didn't declare this year. He needs to lose about 30 and shake off that knee injury. If he does return to form it's hard to say he's not a first rounder...
DBroncos4life
02-11-2007, 01:50 AM
Nebraska is famous for busts actually, Penn State for busts at RB diaper boy finally woke up tho, and Tennesee WR's are notorious busts.
You want to point out all the great draft picks?
Vander Bosch and Kelsay is it.
God you are dumb.
00
Mike Brown-Pro Bowl player. Ask Bears fans how important he is.
Warren-I'll give you he isn't good but it was the third round
Ralph Brown-Still plays in the NFL Better then most 5th round draft picks
01
Bosch after over coming injurys went to the pro bowl last year
Raiola Pretty sure he's started every year after his rookie year.
Polk- Not great but is still with SD nice back up
Buck-Hes been hurt alot but when healthy is a good back up
Hucth-Still in the NFL back up to the Pats
02
Fonoti back up
03
Kelsay best year as a pro last year
Grose Back up
Josh Brown-I don't know if you watched football last year but he was pretty clutch
Shanle All he did was lead the Saints in tackles not bad for a 7th round pick
04
Williams-3rd in tackles for the Falcons. Pretty sure hes been in the top 4 for the team every year hes played
05
Washington-Improving looks good to me
Ruud-Getting there
Bullocks-Top three in tackles for NO
06
Bullocks 2nd in tackles for Det.
The other three where 6th round picks man
You also left off Grant Wistrom PB player, Mike Minter-Solid player getting older but still starting, Kyle Larson solid punter, Ahman Green- Hes pretty good, Mike Rucker-He's got 50 career sacks, Zach Weigert-solid player, Some Will Shields guy, Cory Schlesinger has been a starting FB for 12 years now, and Incognito is the starting center for the Rams.
there are 36 Huskers in the NFL right now.
elsid13
02-11-2007, 08:36 AM
Alley Broussard didn't declare this year. He needs to lose about 30 and shake off that knee injury. If he does return to form it's hard to say he's not a first rounder...
I think he a senior and wasn't granted red shirt year. He did play in the Nation VS Texas game.
I think he a senior and wasn't granted red shirt year. He did play in the Nation VS Texas game.
I thought so too, but apparently not. Justin Vincent from LSU did though.
That basically eliminates the best dark horse RB steal. Real crappy class for runners.
elsid13
02-11-2007, 11:26 AM
I thought so too, but apparently not. Justin Vincent from LSU did though.
That basically eliminates the best dark horse RB steal. Real crappy class for runners.
Darn, I stand corrected. Well next year draft looks to be real deep come RBs.
WABronco
02-11-2007, 12:57 PM
Yea I thought Broussard was an interesting case earlier, as well. Was kinda bummed when he didn't come out...
Darn, I stand corrected. Well next year draft looks to be real deep come RBs.
Yep, which is why we should grab a veteran stop gap and a late round project if Lynch doesn't slide to #21 (which I still think is very possible).
youcandoit1687
02-12-2007, 02:10 PM
Yea I thought Broussard was an interesting case earlier, as well. Was kinda bummed when he didn't come out...
There was no reason for him to come out, he had like 50 carries this year. He was out of shape for a while and didn't show the same explosiveness he used to. He had an amazing year in 04 but needs to return to that form to be considered round one, especially with next year's amazing underclassmen.