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DNA test linked to Darrent Williams murder
Sample from "person of interest" Clark
By The Denver Post
Denver Post
Article Last Updated:02/05/2007 10:39:19 PM MST
Denver police have obtained a DNA sample from Willie Clark, a man they have named a "person of interest" in their investigation of the killing of Denver Broncos player Darrent Williams, 9News reported Monday.
Citing unnamed sources, 9News said that police negotiated to take the DNA sample from Clark, who is in custody on an unrelated parole violation.
It was not clear why police wanted the DNA sample from Clark. Police sometimes use DNA evidence to help determine whether or not a suspect was at the scene of a crime.
Clark is the only person identified by police as someone they want to question in connection with the death of Williams in a drive-by shooting early New Year's Day.
Williams was a passenger in a limousine on Speer Boulevard when several shots were fired from a Chevrolet Tahoe that had pulled alongside. One of the bullets hit Williams in the neck, killing him.
Police sources have previously said they believe Clark was in the Tahoe at the time of the shooting but was not the gunman. Monday, sources told 9News that Clark is suspected of having been driving the Tahoe at the time.
The Tahoe has been recovered, and sources have said that police were looking for DNA evidence when they searched the vehicle.
Michael Andre, Clark's attorney, did not return phone calls Monday. Previously he has declined to say whether Clark is cooperating with police in the Williams investigation and said he had no information linking his client to the Chevrolet Tahoe.
9News also reported Monday that an attorney has been negotiating with Denver police and the district attorney's office regarding another person in connection with the Williams case.
Again citing unnamed sources, 9News said that the attorney's client, who is a suspect in Williams' murder, is attempting to negotiate a plea deal with authorities.
It was not clear what if any role the unidentified person is believed to have had in the Williams case.
Police officials and the district attorney's office would not confirm the 9News report.
Several names of possible suspects have surfaced in connection with the Williams case, but police have not announced the names of any suspects in the football player's death.
This hopefully could be a huge break... I don't want to get too excited over this but they are finding a few different leads that are starting to cause the parties involved to crack.
Taco John
02-06-2007, 03:22 AM
*sigh*
I hope justice picks up the pace a little bit.
watermock
02-06-2007, 03:24 AM
I was going to start a thread about how the trail likely had grown cold but deleted it hoping they were still on the high profile case.
Looks like they may have been working to crack the egg...I thought I was over his murder but I cried intensely when I found they might have a confessor...I didn't know I was still so upset...
Sounds like they are piecing it together...a conviction is going to be harder...a confession would be golden and put an end to this sordid affair.
I broke down...I didn't expect my emotionanal reaction...I guess I was holding some back...hopefully they get a plea bargain and tear it up in front of him on sentencing.
watermock
02-06-2007, 03:26 AM
Why would they think that...the Bar was only called the "Ice House".
I just pray that this sends a lesson to the rest of the team not to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and strut if they did....
Hopefully they can get an indictment at least.
Blueflame
02-06-2007, 03:33 AM
*sigh*
I hope justice picks up the pace a little bit.
Time isn't as important to me as thoroughness and making sure they have an airtight case against the individual who fired the shots. Having all the "i's dotted and t's crossed" so that there's no chance of him getting off on some bs technicality is key.
Good news... it sounds like they're making progress.
BroncoBuff
02-06-2007, 03:40 AM
This is great news ... I thought they were stumped.
Go, Denver P.D.
Florida_Bronco
02-06-2007, 04:44 AM
*sigh*
I hope justice picks up the pace a little bit.
Denver PD will get this case solved, they literally can't afford not to.
AFCWestFan
02-06-2007, 09:55 AM
If all they have is one dirtball narcing on another dirtball to keep his sorry butt from being thrown deeper into a hole they are screwed. No prosecuter in the world would go to court with that as the evidence they have to convict someone.
This garbage looks good on paper to a layman but anyone with legal background knows this is PR from the police.
Rohirrim
02-06-2007, 09:59 AM
They must have found DNA evidence in the car, maybe beer cans or cigarette butts, or what not. If they tie Clark to the car, he's toast. Even if he was only driving the car, he is up for the full felony murder charge. They'll get him to testify against the shooter for a reduced sentence. Hopefully nothing less than twenty years.
Liquid Courage
02-06-2007, 10:19 AM
I wonder if they aren't trying to nail down who else was in the car - i.e. a relative that they can connect through DNA.
Tredici
02-06-2007, 10:33 AM
If all they have is one dirtball narcing on another dirtball to keep his sorry butt from being thrown deeper into a hole they are screwed. No prosecuter in the world would go to court with that as the evidence they have to convict someone.
This garbage looks good on paper to a layman but anyone with legal background knows this is PR from the police.
Just listen to Kansas City news. Truth is, you don't have a clue what is going on in the Denver investigation. But thanks for contributing a worthless opinion.
BroncoBuff
02-06-2007, 11:15 AM
As callous as this might sound .... this whole thing will make a great MSNBC "Justice Files," episode, or perhaps even a full-length movie someday. The spray-painted SUV found near the airport just screams "Law & Order," and now we have DNA? Talk about "CSI: Denver" ... and this is a true story.
PS: The SUV was left at DIA as a decoy, right? To make cops think the killers had got outta town?
Even the dumbest-ass crip must know that DPD can scan every flight manifest for the days in question, right? Uhh
BroncoBuff
02-06-2007, 11:23 AM
If all they have is one dirtball narcing on another dirtball to keep his sorry butt from being thrown deeper into a hole they are screwed. No prosecuter in the world would go to court with that as the evidence they have to convict someone.
This garbage looks good on paper to a layman but anyone with legal background knows this is PR from the police.
Well, I was a criminal defense attorney in LA for ten years, and I disagree. A DNA match would place the guy in the SUV. Then, depending on the ownership history/age of the vehicle/alibi and/or incarceration history of that suspect, the timeframe for him being in the thing could be very narow. Add to that other angles on evidence, and the pressure placed on the several suspects (that's the real key here - there are several suspects to play against each other) could be overwhelming.
Despite what you may think, the Crips don't exactly 'feverishly adhere' to their equivalent of the Italian omerta. The Rollin' 30s leadership might even order peripheral participants to talk if pressure is ratcheted up on the streets by DPD.
Just my two cents.
KipCorrington25
02-06-2007, 11:26 AM
I don't think it was left there as a decoy I just think they drove it to the nearest less densely populated area and dumped it. These idiots aren't smart enough to try to come up with a diversion.
The DPD must have some sustainable evidence that is going to put some people down for a long time. If not the defense attorney's would not be talking plea bargain... they would tell the DA and prosecutors to go sit on it.
Where there is smoke, there probably is flames. Keep it up DPD!
Billy Clyde Puckett
02-06-2007, 02:17 PM
A little extra info - did not copy info in previous story
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5331140,00.html
Nonetheless, the development shows that police are still actively working the unsolved case - a fact that reassures anti-gang activist Rev. Leon Kelly.
Kelly, executive director of Denver's Open Door Youth Gang Alternatives, said Monday that he believes Williams' death and at least four others may be linked eventually to members of the Tre Tre Crips or another group, the Tre Four Crips.
Both Clark and the owner of the Tahoe, who was in jail when Williams was killed, have been identified as alleged Tre Tre Crips members.
"No group that I've dealt with lately has been this aggressive, with these types of assaults and murders," Kelly said. "And the attitude that a lot of them are taking right now is, 'If anybody messes with our money, we gotta do what we gotta do.' "
Kelly estimated there are about 2,000 Tre Tre Crips and Tre Four Crips in the metro area. Roughly 500 could be characterized as hard-core associates, he said.
Gang members "know that they've been shooting and killing people, and the cases are still open. They feel they can do it, and nobody's going to speak on it," said Kelly.
Denver police spokeswoman Detective Virginia Quinones declined Monday to respond to Kelly's comments or detail the status of the investigation.
The high-profile Williams investigation, Kelly said, is leading police to focus on several other unsolved slayings.
Kelly named the Dec. 6 Denver slayings of Kalonniann Louisa Clark-James and that of Derrek Davonte Ward, a teen who was killed Dec. 2 in Aurora, as those that could be tied to the two specific gangs.
Any consideration of immunity for a potential witness or accessory in the Williams shooting, said Kelly, will be complicated by concerns about protecting not just that person, but also their immediate family.
"I'll say this about these Tre Tres," Kelly warned. "They're all over the place. And, with execution-style killing, chasing kids and folks down and shooting them up . . . it's not Hollywood we're seeing that causes me to be concerned. This is here."
watermock
02-06-2007, 02:33 PM
The Rev has some brass balls. Fearless SOB...I didn't know that the gang numbers were that high in Denver. That's freakin' two full battallions .
Billy Clyde Puckett
02-06-2007, 02:36 PM
The Rev has some brass balls. Fearless SOB...I didn't know that the gang numbers were that high in Denver. That's freakin' two full battallions .
That's why we all need to get behind Meck's efforts to help the Rev.
watermock
02-06-2007, 02:39 PM
And that's just two gangs of Crips. I'm sure the Bloods have their own army. Kinda sounded like the Crips owned Denver tho.
AFCWestFan
02-06-2007, 04:04 PM
Mr Tredici, do you think that KOA is a reasonable source of Denver News. They have News there its on radio and we get it here very clearly at night...so I know you were attempting to reduce my post validity somehow, but just so you know people who are not in Denver get quite a lot of news on this issue...most is same you get...they are called newspapers...we read them.
My point remains valid, they are grasping at anything and under severe pressure to not blow this like the Boulder cops did a few years ago with the Ramsey case.
Blueflame
02-06-2007, 04:07 PM
If all they have is one dirtball narcing on another dirtball to keep his sorry butt from being thrown deeper into a hole they are screwed. No prosecuter in the world would go to court with that as the evidence they have to convict someone.
This garbage looks good on paper to a layman but anyone with legal background knows this is PR from the police.
With all due respect, the police aren't telling the media all of the evidence they have and "anyone with legal background" knows this. Particularly in a high-profile case involving gangs who pose a genuine danger to individuals who might have or give evidence, doing so would jeopardize witness safety and also give potential suspects the heads-up that they're under scrutiny, thus simply won't happen. Yeah, the news looks good in the paper because the public is quite eager for any sign that progress is being made.
Blueflame
02-06-2007, 04:10 PM
Mr Tredici, do you think that KOA is a reasonable source of Denver News. They have News there its on radio and we get it here very clearly at night...so I know you were attempting to reduce my post validity somehow, but just so you know people who are not in Denver get quite a lot of news on this issue...most is same you get...they are called newspapers...we read them.
My point remains valid, they are grasping at anything and under severe pressure to not blow this like the Boulder cops did a few years ago with the Ramsey case.
LOL Ha! ROFL!
Florida_Bronco
02-06-2007, 04:16 PM
Mr Tredici, do you think that KOA is a reasonable source of Denver News. They have News there its on radio and we get it here very clearly at night...so I know you were attempting to reduce my post validity somehow, but just so you know people who are not in Denver get quite a lot of news on this issue...most is same you get...they are called newspapers...we read them.
My point remains valid, they are grasping at anything and under severe pressure to not blow this like the Boulder cops did a few years ago with the Ramsey case.
Denver PD will get this case solved. If push comes to shove, they will put the screws to the gangs in the area. When their drug dealing business starts taking a serious hit, names will be given.
Bronx33
02-06-2007, 04:20 PM
AFCfan you should cop a feel before you throw around the Mr/Mrs stuff.
Bronx33
02-06-2007, 04:22 PM
Denver PD will get this case solved. If push comes to shove, they will put the screws to the gangs in the area. When their drug dealing business starts taking a serious hit, names will be given.
Yep most gang members act the game but most are gutless pukes and will roll in a second if their worthless hide is in jeopardy.
Tredici
02-06-2007, 04:22 PM
Mr Tredici, do you think that KOA is a reasonable source of Denver News. They have News there its on radio and we get it here very clearly at night...so I know you were attempting to reduce my post validity somehow, but just so you know people who are not in Denver get quite a lot of news on this issue...most is same you get...they are called newspapers...we read them.
My point remains valid, they are grasping at anything and under severe pressure to not blow this like the Boulder cops did a few years ago with the Ramsey case.
Mr. Ashamed to Call Myself a Kansas City Chief Fan
You're opinion is still based on nothing. You don't know chit so stop pretending you do.
Sincerely,
MS. Tredici
Florida_Bronco
02-06-2007, 04:24 PM
Yep most gang members act the game but most are gutless pukes and will roll in a second if their worthless hide is in jeopardy.
Exactly, and power/money is what they are after. You start taking that from them and they'll do anything they can to stop it.
Sassy
02-06-2007, 04:37 PM
Mr. Ashamed to Call Myself a Kansas City Chief Fan (The lowest blow! )
You're opinion is still based on nothing. You don't know chit so stop pretending you do.
Sincerely,
MS. Tredici
ROFL!
This is a incredibly large chunk of gang members.
The people have been wacking citizens left and right. I really fear for the Rev's life. Too many times have we seen a guy like the Rev made an example as somebody tries to take down the leader of the resistance.
I hope he is protecting himself as well.
Florida_Bronco
02-06-2007, 05:47 PM
This is a incredibly large chunk of gang members.
The people have been wacking citizens left and right. I really fear for the Rev's life. Too many times have we seen a guy like the Rev made an example as somebody tries to take down the leader of the resistance.
I hope he is protecting himself as well.
They may not be smart enough to know better, but taking him out would bring even more heat on them.
Bronx33
02-06-2007, 05:50 PM
This is a incredibly large chunk of gang members.
The people have been wacking citizens left and right. I really fear for the Rev's life. Too many times have we seen a guy like the Rev made an example as somebody tries to take down the leader of the resistance.
I hope he is protecting himself as well.
Pretty sad when a reverend has to protect himself for being killed for doing something good but rational thought eludes the average dumshyt gang member.
Mtbrncofn
02-06-2007, 05:51 PM
I hope this means something good is coming. *fingers crossed*
Billy Clyde Puckett
02-06-2007, 06:24 PM
This is a incredibly large chunk of gang members.
The people have been wacking citizens left and right. I really fear for the Rev's life. Too many times have we seen a guy like the Rev made an example as somebody tries to take down the leader of the resistance.
I hope he is protecting himself as well.
He is an incredible guy who has been doing this for about 20 years. He feels this is his calling from God.
Check out the computer parts for the Rev thread. We need to get more Maners involved. In addition to computer equipment they need sporting equipment and books appropriate for grade school through the teens. I am sure plenty of folk here have sporting equipment they or their kids don't use any more sitting around the house. Why not donate it to a good cause? My daughter needs to do a service project for a school group she is involved with. I am thinking we can do a neighborhood drive to collect sporting equip for the Rev.
Atlas
02-06-2007, 08:40 PM
AFCfan you should cop a feel before you throw around the Mr/Mrs stuff.
Will Tredici let you do that???
Blueflame
02-06-2007, 09:02 PM
Will Tredici let you do that???
Uh... probably not. LOL
They may not be smart enough to know better, but taking him out would bring even more heat on them.
As much as we could imagine that to be true... they ran straight up on a eye-witness and wacked her in cold blood. Whats to say that they wouldn't do this again?
These people are into hardcore scare tactics. They don't seem to be above offing people and for the most part, they have the man-power and weaponry to not only do it but also get away with it.
The sad part is, most of these kids don't even sound like they are worth saving, they have become completely wrotten to the core with many of them probably having committed multiple felonies.
Florida_Bronco
02-06-2007, 10:05 PM
As much as we could imagine that to be true... they ran straight up on a eye-witness and wacked her in cold blood. Whats to say that they wouldn't do this again?
These people are into hardcore scare tactics. They don't seem to be above offing people and for the most part, they have the man-power and weaponry to not only do it but also get away with it.
The sad part is, most of these kids don't even sound like they are worth saving, they have become completely wrotten to the core with many of them probably having committed multiple felonies.
Thats a totally different situation. If you the man who is fighting the gangs is killed in a gang hit, that will bring even more attention to the cause and hurt the gangs.