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Taco John
02-05-2007, 03:13 AM
Local Columnist: Gunslinger Grossman shoots his team in foot


February 5, 2007


MIAMI -- While the Indianapolis Colts began celebrating their 29-17 Super Bowl XLI victory Sunday night over the Bears, Rex Grossman navigated his way off the field after shaking hands with one Colts player and quickly headed down the tunnel.

This week of Grossman's life couldn't end fast enough for him.
He knew. The Colts knew. Everybody watching the game in the rain at Dolphin Stadium and most people in the TV audience of 1 billion knew.

One throw cost the Bears their shot at glory. One throw robbed Chicago of its chance of finally putting memories of the 1985 Bears on a shelf for posterity.

Sure, the Bears had issues against the Colts with their run defense, problems with the offensive line and breakdowns in the secondary. But all of those contributing factors to the loss might have been moot if not for one pass out of Grossman's hand with 11 minutes 59 seconds left in the game.

Grossman's decision to attempt such a throw given the situation could be described best as reckless. Ill-advised. Even ignorant, to use the word Grossman himself introduced into Super Bowl week.

It was a sideline pass Grossman floated to Muhsin Muhammad in the fourth quarter that changed the Super Bowl more than any other play. Muhammad wasn't that wide open, and the Bears didn't really need to take such a risk at the time. Turns out they couldn't afford one either.

It's one thing for Grossman to be a gunslinger, but not if he is going to shoot himself and his team in the foot.

The Bears were driving. It was first-and-10 in their own territory. Grossman had just completed a sharp 22-yard pass to Muhammad and looked to have regained the swagger with which he played the first half.

Down 22-17 in a game that really had no business being that close, the Bears had begun to look like a team that had hung around long enough to pull it out. You almost could hear destiny knocking at the door.

Problem is, that completion to Muhammad apparently gave Grossman too much confidence, because on the next play he fooled himself into thinking he could make a play that just wasn't there.

It required a perfect throw to a single spot, the type of precision that is difficult to expect from any quarterback on a rainy and windy night. Kelvin Hayden proved that by leaping to intercept Grossman's pass and returning it 56 yards to turn a tenuous five-point margin into a decisive 29-17 lead. That play took away any momentum the Bears had regained as well as the faith Grossman had restored in himself and the passing game.

Four plays later, that uncertainty showed when Grossman underthrew Bernard Berrian, who had gotten behind the Colts secondary. Safety Bob Sanders camped out under the pass like a Marlins center fielder and ended any hopes the Bears had.

It also guaranteed that Grossman would head into the off-season without removing any of the doubts expressed often enough in the Super Bowl buildup to annoy him, his teammates and his coaches. Besides the two interceptions, Grossman lost a fumbled snap and mishandled another one and sacked himself by tripping over his own feet while dropping back.

"When you turn the ball over as much as we did, it's really hard to win," coach Lovie Smith said.

The Bears' coaches seemed to show doubt in their quarterback themselves early by calling a game that looked designed to keep Grossman from creating his own bad luck. On one third-and-6 at the Bears' 9 in the first half, for instance, offensive coordinator Ron Turner called a handoff to Thomas Jones rather than let Grossman throw and possibly turn the ball over deep in Bears' territory.

His best moment came in the first quarter on a 4-yard touchdown pass to Muhammad on a throw that carried the zip and accuracy of a quarterback on top of his game. By the fourth quarter, Grossman looked like anything but that quarterback. Part of the unsteadiness can be attributed to the Bears possessing the ball for only 21 minutes 56 seconds. At one point, the Bears went 25 minutes 15 seconds over four possessions without making a first down—and still trailed only 19-14.

Yet the longer Grossman stayed on the sidelines, the more pressure he seemed to be putting on himself when he took the field.

From the press box, where Grossman has said the media don't always understand what they're seeing, the Colts didn't appear to play any defenses the Bears were not expecting. Like the Bears, the Colts keep it simple in the Cover-2 and rely on pass pressure from their front four. The Colts had one sack, by Anthony McFarland, and kept the heat on Grossman, but his biggest errors were unforced.

Hayden's return was the fifth interception a Bears' opponent had returned for a touchdown this season in 19 games. The fumbled snap the Colts recovered with 1:18 left in the second quarter denied the Bears a chance to stage a drive and kick a field goal that could have sent them into the locker room with momentum and a lead. Then who knows how the second half might have unfolded?

"You have to give them a lot of credit," Smith said of the Colts' defense.

True, but blame also is assigned inevitably in a game this big, and most of this one's will fall on Grossman's strong shoulders. This might have been the year Grossman solidified the quarterback position for a Bears franchise that traditionally hasn't experienced any. But those who believe the Bears would not have been here without Grossman this season also have to acknowledge his mistakes prevented them from winning Sunday more than any other player's.

That's the hard reality that will stare Grossman in the face Monday morning, and maybe every day until he and the Bears return.

But when the pain subsides, perspective will surface, and Grossman and the depressed fans in the city will realize how high he elevated the position in 2006.

You could say that, without Grossman, Sunday never would have hurt so much.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/cs-070204haugh,1,601540.column?coll=cs-home-headlines

watermock
02-05-2007, 05:43 AM
Those two picks were as ill advised attacks as Hitler going into Russia without winter coats. Honestly, this game wasn't even nearly as close as the score.

That duck that Sanders closed on was a sure TD and it was thrown late, like a punt and over the wrong shoulder...absolutely horrific.

I love how the talking heads don't put the blame squarely on Grossman...yes Da Bears were outplayed, but they still had a chance to take the lead and had gotten a modicum of momentum.

BroncoBuff
02-05-2007, 09:26 AM
They're savaging Grossman on Mike & Mike in the Morning.


All the guests, too.

Rohirrim
02-05-2007, 09:32 AM
What I saw was a third string QB who shouldn't be out there unless some really bad luck has hit his team. BVP would have played better than that. Griese would have definitely done a better job. Lovie looked like a deer in the headlights. Just pathetic.

watermock
02-05-2007, 09:39 AM
First the experts said that the weather wouldn't be a factor...if anything, it should of helped Chicago...

The talking experts are still making excuses for Grossman.

It's amazing...they all talked about what a factor the weather was, when it wasn't earlier...and they pumped up Grossman all morning like a Jake Plummer lover about w/L.

bronco militia
02-05-2007, 09:40 AM
Sam Adams of the RMN is on am950 this morning calling Grossman, 'Rex Plummer'.

ha ha

watermock
02-05-2007, 09:42 AM
This is so much like Lou Holts' predictions which were s pathetic as to be laughable. He couldn't get a winning record in college yet alone get the spread right. Complete idiot.

Close behind is "Coach" Ditka who doesn't even dare to have enough balls to take the line.

BigPlayShay
02-05-2007, 09:47 AM
It's one thing for Grossman to be a gunslinger, but not if he is going to shoot himself and his team in the foot.



So what I have gathered from this article this guy is saying it is ok to be a risky qb "gunslinger", so long as the throws you make aren't risky.

watermock
02-05-2007, 09:51 AM
Salisbury is trying to make excuses.

The reason that Indy was on the field all day is that Chicago couldn't convert a thrird down.

errand
02-05-2007, 10:03 AM
Only TJ could try to blame the entire loss on one throw. But then again would you expect him to say anything else?

Typical TJ logic... just like we heard the past 3 years about our beloved Broncos. The offense not being able to move the ball is why our D gets torched for 400 yards in one half of a playoff game.

And Da Bears mighty D that couldn't stop a has been like 2nd stringer Dominic Rhodes from gaining 100 yards had no culpability in the loss.

The blown coverage on the Colt's first TD had nothing to do with the loss.

All the missed tackles and dropped ints had nothing to do with it.

Allowing the Colts to push them around the field had nothing to do with it either, huh?

Nope, we'll blame the Qb for making a risky throw with his team needing a TD to win the game.

errand
02-05-2007, 10:04 AM
Salisbury is trying to make excuses.

The reason that Indy was on the field all day is that Chicago couldn't convert a thrird down.

Yeah, because when your D allows not one but two 100 yard rushers in a championship game you should win hands down, huh?

Bronco_Beerslug
02-05-2007, 10:22 AM
Sam Adams of the RMN is on am950 this morning calling Grossman, 'Rex Plummer'.
ha ha
LOL

Smiling Assassin27
02-05-2007, 10:47 AM
that was gross, man.

Taco John
02-05-2007, 11:07 AM
Only TJ could try to blame the entire loss on one throw. But then again would you expect him to say anything else?




Dude... I didn't write this column, you moron... :rofl:


/that said, I don't think the columnist is too far off.

bendog
02-05-2007, 11:13 AM
Actually, watching the game I recalled the Indy "debate," and was again struck by the notion that there's some truth to both sides of the debate as to whether Den's D or Jake the Fake lost those indy games. But beyond a doubt, Rex was the grossest QB I recall ever seeing in a superbowl. I mean Dilfer was a journeyman, but Rex needs to find a new career.

bendog
02-05-2007, 11:17 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-0702050185feb05,0,3590672.column?coll=chi-homepagepromo440-fea

I bet this guy wrote this column on Friday

Bronco Billy
02-05-2007, 11:31 AM
The offensive play calling was geared specifically so Grossman wouldn't be in a position to screw up. They were extremely passive.

I don't know what Grossman was thinking when he dumped the ball off to Jones for a two yard loss on 3rd and long.

errand
02-05-2007, 11:37 AM
Dude... I didn't write this column, you moron... :rofl:


/that said, I don't think the columnist is too far off.

TJ, one thing I do know from my years on the mane. You don't post anything unless it mirrors your beliefs and thoughts.....or gives you reason to feel vindicated about a false premise in your warped mind.

Taco John
02-05-2007, 11:44 AM
TJ, one thing I do know from my years on the mane. You don't post anything unless it mirrors your beliefs and thoughts.....or gives you reason to feel vindicated about a false premise in your warped mind.


Actually, you're absolutely wrong. I often post articles that I don't necessarily agree with in order to spur conversation. This article I posted not because there were any points in there that I agreed or disagreed with, but because I knew that Rex was in for a bloodbath, and it was the first column up by a local. I had barely skimmed the article before I posted it.

And your original comment was that "only TJ could try to blame the entire loss on one throw." Apparently, since I didn't write this article, your whole premise is off.

Cito Pelon
02-05-2007, 12:18 PM
CHicago lost as a team. 450 yds and 24 first downs given up by the D. Some nice punt returns also given up by the Bears ST's. No pass rush to speak of. Little emphasis on the running game by the Bears.

Popps
02-05-2007, 12:28 PM
TJ, one thing I do know from my years on the mane. You don't post anything unless it mirrors your beliefs and thoughts.....or gives you reason to feel vindicated about a false premise in your warped mind.

I can just see him locked in his room wearing his Manning jersey, praying for his chance to rush to the computer for his "I told you so" threads. (Which no one can quite figure.)

A so-so team finally won the Superbowl that happened to have a good QB.

Somehow, that makes him right about Jake Plummer, but at the same time... apparently right about Brian Griese?? Huh!?!

:rofl:

VINDICATION IS MINE!!!!!!

Dudeskey
02-05-2007, 01:02 PM
Which was worse, Grossman's performance or Rothlesberger's last year?

WoodMan
02-05-2007, 01:35 PM
One thing is very clear. Chicago needs a quarterback. The defense and special teams carried them all season and has to be very disappointed to see consecutive 3 and outs for almost 2 1/2 quarters. He is the most inaccurate passer that I have ever seen who actually plays in the NFL. I can imagine that the Chicago fans are calling for his head, but then they were during the season too.

Crushaholic
02-05-2007, 01:37 PM
That was a horrible throw, but the mishandled snaps also hurt. No doubt that it was a bad day for Grossman, but the Bears defense started looking like Denver's defense when they gave Peyton all day to throw. You don't do that to a guy like Peyton...

broncosteven
02-05-2007, 01:51 PM
CHicago lost as a team. 450 yds and 24 first downs given up by the D. Some nice punt returns also given up by the Bears ST's. No pass rush to speak of. Little emphasis on the running game by the Bears.

REP

Nice catch on the punt coverage issue.

Bears lost as a team but had they had a QB that did not turn the ball over or take bad sacks they could have made Indy sweat.

Grossgrrl needs to go, he is not a 1st QB like every one says, he should have learned by now not to make those throws.

I am so glad we do not have the problem Chicago does at QB & I am glad that Shanny is addressing the staff on the Defensive side of the ball. Now we just have to get some players on Dline & protect & develop our young QB

NaptownChief
02-05-2007, 02:01 PM
Chicago will be chewing him up 30 years from now unless he wins a Super Bowl while in a Bears jersey.

Garcia Bronco
02-05-2007, 02:48 PM
take away the ST Td and this thing was a blow out

Blueflame
02-05-2007, 03:55 PM
Only TJ could try to blame the entire loss on one throw. But then again would you expect him to say anything else?

Typical TJ logic... just like we heard the past 3 years about our beloved Broncos. The offense not being able to move the ball is why our D gets torched for 400 yards in one half of a playoff game.

And Da Bears mighty D that couldn't stop a has been like 2nd stringer Dominic Rhodes from gaining 100 yards had no culpability in the loss.

The blown coverage on the Colt's first TD had nothing to do with the loss.

All the missed tackles and dropped ints had nothing to do with it.

Allowing the Colts to push them around the field had nothing to do with it either, huh?

Nope, we'll blame the Qb for making a risky throw with his team needing a TD to win the game.

Since the article was authored by a Chicago Tribune writer (not TJ), the suggestion that TJ's the "only" person on the planet who's gonna blame Grossman for the loss is ludicrous on its face. Everyone who watched that game knows Grossman was abysmal and while he's not the only player on the field who underachieved, his struggles were the most obvious and had the most impact on the outcome of the game.

The team that made the most mistakes lost... and their QB made more than his fair share of those mistakes.

loborugger
02-05-2007, 03:59 PM
Was anyone else sitting there in the 4th quarter watching Grossman play and thinking to themselves, "Thank GOD we didnt get to the SB with Plummer under center."

That said, other posters on this thread got it right. That was a team loss. 10 points on offense. 3 points in the last 3 quarters of the game. The Bear D out toughed by the Colts D. Take away the Hester TD, and the game was never in doubt, despite missed extra points and early turnovers.

Jason in LA
02-05-2007, 04:01 PM
Sexy Rexy = Jake the Snake

Bronx33
02-05-2007, 07:20 PM
Bears would have won if griese had been playing, the bears had the momentum and jughead was running on three cylinders had the bears stayed on that wave they started in the first i think they would have won. Grossman took all the wind out of the sails when the team just needed a simple drive to use up some clock. I have never seen a QB that doesn't belong in the NFL let alone in the SB play worse than that guy did.

Donk
02-05-2007, 07:26 PM
Trade Plumer for Grossman?

Clockwork Orange
02-05-2007, 07:41 PM
Trade Plumer for Grossman?

That would be like trading chlamydia for gonorrhea.

Rohirrim
02-05-2007, 07:42 PM
That would be like trading chlamydia for gonorrhea.

LOL

Bronx33
02-05-2007, 07:44 PM
That would be like trading chlamydia for gonorrhea.


Well i had to clean up some beer on the keyboard on that one...ROFL!

Taco John
02-05-2007, 09:03 PM
That would be like trading chlamydia for gonorrhea.

:rofl:

watermock
02-05-2007, 09:34 PM
One thing is very clear. Chicago needs a quarterback. The defense and special teams carried them all season and has to be very disappointed to see consecutive 3 and outs for almost 2 1/2 quarters. He is the most inaccurate passer that I have ever seen who actually plays in the NFL. I can imagine that the Chicago fans are calling for his head, but then they were during the season too.

Actually, he was accurate 20 for 28...He made three horrific throws however. First was a 3rd and 10 when they passed on three downs...he did a great job of escaping and had an easy road to get the first on foot...instead, he threw a duck into tight double coverage on the sideline.

The Hayden INT was horrific...underthrown again...the CB never bit on the stop and go and simply fielded his punt.

The last was the worst...the reciever has a TD and he throws up a duck that is short, lofted and late.

I think it was more poor decisions and being unable to handle the wet ball...something...those three throws helped decide the game altho they were not the only reasons.

Chupacabra
02-05-2007, 09:35 PM
Was anyone else sitting there in the 4th quarter watching Grossman play and thinking to themselves, "Thank GOD we didnt get to the SB with Plummer under center."

ABSOLUTELY NOT

"Thank GOD we didnt get to the SB" is not in my vocabulary regardless of who is playing QB.

You are making quite a stretch there, pal.

Chupacabra
02-05-2007, 09:37 PM
To have the chance at the SB with my hometown's JV QB would have been a helluva lot better than watching two other teams in the SB.

Ur nuts.

watermock
02-05-2007, 09:47 PM
I have the solution...We trade Plummer for Urlacher and Grossgirl and throw in Gold. Ha!

Atlas
02-05-2007, 10:10 PM
They're savaging Grossman on Mike & Mike in the Morning.


All the guests, too.

The decision he made throwing the ball was the right decision he had one on one coverage, but the throw itself is one of the worst I have ever seen, just a horrible throw.

WABronco
02-06-2007, 01:05 AM
That was just god awful...horrific.

Grossman is pathetic, and unless he makes a dramatic improvement (a possibility as a young player) to a point where he can manage without...ummm...massacring, the Bears will be hard pressed to return to the SB.

He's just not a good passer right now. He rarely sets his feet, his delivery is random, he's inaccurate, and he absolutely melts without a perfect pocket. He also seems to lack any sort of mental toughness...

That "pump fake" was one of the worst throws I have ever seen...without question.

Seriously, when he completed a pass downfield, I said to myself, "LUCKY." That pass to Berrian against the Saints that had the media slobbin' his knob...that was a complete underthrow with his feet freakin' parallel to the endzone.

Atlas
02-06-2007, 01:09 AM
That was just god awful...horrific.

Grossman is pathetic, and unless he makes a dramatic improvement (a possibility as a young player) to a point where he can manage without...ummm...massacring, the Bears will be hard pressed to return to the SB.

He's just not a good passer right now. He rarely sets his feet, his delivery is random, he's inaccurate, and he absolutely melts without a perfect pocket. He also seems to lack any sort of mental toughness...

That "pump fake" was one of the worst throws I have ever seen...without question.

Seriously, when he completed a pass downfield, I said to myself, "LUCKY." That pass to Berrian against the Saints that had the media slobbin' his knob...that was a complete underthrow with his feet freakin' parallel to the endzone.

He tied Manning for most games with a passer rating over 100. So it's not like he is horrible, at times he just plays horrible.

WABronco
02-06-2007, 01:29 AM
So it's not like he is horrible, at times he just plays horrible.

True.

I want to check his YPA...I wouldn't be surprised if his YPA in good games is around 9 or 10.

To me, it's all about the meltdown. Right now, he is without question tops in the league in that category.