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epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 01:01 AM
Who ya got? Here's mine...

West:
G - McGrady
G - Bryant
F - Garnett
F - Duncan
C - Nowitzki*
Reserves:
Nash
Josh Howard
Anthony
Iverson
Stoudemire
Randolph
Ray Allen

* - Nowitzki gets the Yao replacement starting slot.

East:
G - Arenas
G - Wade
F - James
F - Bosh
C - Shaquille O'Neal
Reserves:
Dwight Howard
Kidd
Jermaine O'Neal
Redd
Joe Johnson
Caron Butler
Emeka Okafor

RhymesayersDU
02-01-2007, 01:03 AM
http://orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=52478

ludo21
02-01-2007, 01:03 AM
ur list looks pretty good.

With Boozer getting hurt both Anthony and Howard will be in.

But who knows, maybe the league will try and send a message to Anthony and open the door for my boy Marion to get in ;D

BroncoInferno
02-01-2007, 01:04 AM
LOL Jesus, Shaq making the team makes the whole thing a freakin joke. Does anybody give damn about All-Star/All-Pro games anymore? I haven't watched one in any sport in years. They need a more legitimate way to determine these things so they aren't a popularity contest and really reward deservant participants.

Killericon
02-01-2007, 01:09 AM
McGrady over Nash?

HAH!

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 01:10 AM
LOL Jesus, Shaq making the team makes the whole thing a freakin joke. Does anybody give damn about All-Star/All-Pro games anymore? I haven't watched one in any sport in years. They need a more legitimate way to determine these things so they aren't a popularity contest and really reward deservant participants.

True dat.

I've always liked Shaq, but that big oaf came out and said that he would start the game no matter whether he was injured or not just so that Howard had to "earn" his spot. Only a couple of those starters have earned their spots. Shaq wouldnt even make my team.

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 01:13 AM
http://orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=52478

That's hilarious. I dont ever recall looking at that thread and we said the same thing almost verbatim...except of course that my picks were far superior to yours! ;D

El Guapo
02-01-2007, 01:52 AM
Dirk = MVP.

Nuggets4
02-01-2007, 12:16 PM
I hate Dirk with a passion and even I think he should be starting in the all-star game. Strange how the #1 and #2 MVP candidates aren't starting.

Right now, I'm hoping Melo DOESN'T make the team. Maybe it'll wake his ass up after these last few games.

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 08:10 PM
Reserves Announced

East:

Kidd
Carter
O'Neal
Billups
Hamilton
Dwight Howard
Caron Butler

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 08:12 PM
West to come...

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 08:14 PM
Noteable East snubs...

Emeka Okafor
Mike Redd
Joe Johnson
Not a single Chicago Bull in there.

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 08:15 PM
Why on earth is Vince Carter in the all-star game?

ludo21
02-01-2007, 08:15 PM
good list for east. Butler is having a great year

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 08:17 PM
I hate Dirk with a passion and even I think he should be starting in the all-star game.

Momentary lapse of reason.

Strange how the #1 and #2 MVP candidates aren't starting.


Not strange if you understand how poorly the NBA markets its product.

ludo21
02-01-2007, 08:21 PM
Momentary lapse of reason.



Not strange if you understand how poorly the NBA markets its product.

they market their product, but its to the Kobe's and LEbrons and Shaqs of the world. Not to guys like Dirk.

He is having another MVP type season, and i doubt he gets it this year, or even a sniff of it really

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 08:23 PM
West:

Nash
Nowitzki
Iverson
Boozer
Stoudemire
Tony Parker
Shawn Marion

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 08:24 PM
Barkley: Dirk is the first half MVP, and should have gotten it last year.

Master___Pain
02-01-2007, 08:25 PM
West:

Nash
Nowitzki
Iverson
Boozer
Stoudemire
Tony Parker
Shawn Marion

First time ever the leagues leading scorer is not an all-star?

ludo21
02-01-2007, 08:26 PM
WOOOOHOOO!!!

The trio of the Suns on the team!!

Marion is having another typical 20, 7 year for him. Awesome stuff. Amare is almost back to 100%, i cant wait for tonights game

and dont forget coach D Antoni and staff!

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 08:27 PM
they market their product, but its to the Kobe's and LEbrons and Shaqs of the world. Not to guys like Dirk.
He is having another MVP type season, and i doubt he gets it this year, or even a sniff of it really


Dirk has deserved the MVP for the past 2 and 1/2 seasons. He will win it this season, and he deserves it again.

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 08:28 PM
Dallas is the best team in the NBA, and gets one player.

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 08:29 PM
The media lovefest for the Suns continues...

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 08:30 PM
WOOOOHOOO!!!
The trio of the Suns on the team!!
Marion is having another typical 20, 7 year for him. Awesome stuff. Amare is almost back to 100%, i cant wait for tonights game
and dont forget coach D Antoni and staff!

That would be great if they were the best team in the league, which they arent.

Dallas now has even more bulletin board material to wipe out the Suns again in the playoffs, if the Suns can make it that far.

ludo21
02-01-2007, 08:31 PM
hahaha


i love that it bothers you so much ;D Were such a fun team to watch, and we dont have any flava clowns, so at least its good for the NBA.

And dont worry llama, im sure Howard will get in for Boozer

Master___Pain
02-01-2007, 08:31 PM
The media lovefest for the Suns continues...

Marion over Anthony? Boozer* over Anthony?




*Melo will be the sub for Boozer.

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 08:34 PM
hahaha
i love that it bothers you so much ;D Were such a fun team to watch, and we dont have any flava clowns, so at least its good for the NBA.
And dont worry llama, im sure Howard will get in for Boozer


Well, if nothing else, this just bolsters Dirk's chances for MVP.

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 08:34 PM
Marion over Anthony? Boozer* over Anthony?
*Melo will be the sub for Boozer.

Stoudemire, Marion, and Parker over Howard and Anthony?

That's just craziness.

ludo21
02-01-2007, 08:35 PM
Well, if nothing else, this just bolsters Dirk's chances for MVP.



it could. But i still dont think Dirk will get an MVP this year.

If Nash doesnt get a third one then Kobe will, just a guess

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 08:38 PM
it could. But i still dont think Dirk will get an MVP this year.

If Nash doesnt get a third one then Kobe will, just a guess

Dirk's best is yet to come...and how on earth can you make the argument with a straight face that Nash "makes his team better" when Dirk's team is better, has accomplished more, and has only one all-star?

Nash has two other perrenial all-stars, a 6th man of the year, and a former coach of the year. Something's got to give.

Dirk's been the de facto league MVP for two seasons. He'll get it this year.

Master___Pain
02-01-2007, 08:39 PM
Stoudemire, Marion, and Parker over Howard and Anthony?

That's just craziness.

I understand the Mavs are deserving of two but don't compare the Melo snub to Howard getting snubbed. I'm not trying to belittle Howard by any means, but **** me, has the leagues leading scorer ever been snubbed?

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 08:41 PM
I understand the Mavs are deserving of two but don't compare the Melo snub to Howard getting snubbed. I'm not trying to belittle Howard by any means, but **** me, has the leagues leading scorer ever been snubbed?


Anthony missed a boat load of games for the fight incident. Howard did not. Howard's had a phenomenal season, he's worth more to Dallas than Marion is to the Suns.

The Nuggets have Iverson in. They dont need two guys there.

ludo21
02-01-2007, 08:42 PM
Dirk's best is yet to come...and how on earth can you make the argument with a straight face that Nash "makes his team better" when Dirk's team is better, has accomplished more, and has only one all-star?

Nash has two other perrenial all-stars, a 6th man of the year, and a former coach of the year. Something's got to give.

Dirk's been the de facto league MVP for two seasons. He'll get it this year.

its called :homer:

;)

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 08:48 PM
its called :homer:


Well, at least you can admit that there is no rational argument for Nash over Dirk for the past 2 1/2 seasons and that your opinion is one of a homer. ;D

RhymesayersDU
02-01-2007, 08:50 PM
The interesting thing about this is:

"Should any player be unable to participate in the All-Star Game due to injury, NBA Commissioner David Stern will select the replacement."

So Stern has 2 spots to pick. Yao's and Boozer's. It's going to be real interesting. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm really don't think that Stern is going to pick Melo. Sending the wrong message, etc. We'll see what Stern's PR decides to do, that's what I think will determine these 2 picks.

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 08:54 PM
The interesting thing about this is:
"Should any player be unable to participate in the All-Star Game due to injury, NBA Commissioner David Stern will select the replacement."
So Stern has 2 spots to pick. Yao's and Boozer's. It's going to be real interesting. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm really don't think that Stern is going to pick Melo. Sending the wrong message, etc. We'll see what Stern's PR decides to do, that's what I think will determine these 2 picks.

Stern wont want to pick Anthony, but Anthony is popular so we'll see.

Stern wont want to pick Howard either because of Cuban, so it will be interesting to see what he does. He's backed into a corner. I wouldnt be surprised to see him choose Zach Randolph and Ray Allen or something like that...a couple of smaller market players. Maybe Odom for LA. Shoot...why not just throw Diaw and Raja Bell in there to complete the deal?

ludo21
02-01-2007, 08:55 PM
Well, at least you can admit that there is no rational argument for Nash over Dirk for the past 2 1/2 seasons and that your opinion is one of a homer. ;D

Well this season im all homer for NAsh for MVP.

Last season he truly was deserving of MVP. Amare out, Thomas out most the year.

So no real post prescense. He got Diaw to be a great player, Barbosa learned tons last season, got open shots for everyone, and got us to the Western Conf. Finals and pushed it to 6 games by basically going with only 6 players.

insane! This year he has better numbers, but he has an improved Diaw, improved Barbosa and Amare back to help him.

but i wont mind a bit if he wins again

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 08:57 PM
Interesting note:

Stoudemire is only averaging 18.6 pts and 8.9 rebounds 0.6 assists 0.7 steals and 1.4 blocks.

That's not any better than Josh Howard's 19.4 poins 7.2 rebounds 2.0 assists 1.2 steals and 1.0 blocks

Rulon Velvet Jones
02-01-2007, 08:58 PM
Marion can't create his own shot and gets double-digit rebounds because that's his role on a bad rebounding team. He's overrated. But I won't get into Mavs v. Suns argument because I've read it about 1000 times already this season. But Llama does have a point that it helps Dirk's MVP argument in that he's doing what he does by being the only All-Star on the best team in the league.

RhymesayersDU
02-01-2007, 08:59 PM
Stern wont want to pick Anthony, but Anthony is popular so we'll see.

Stern wont want to pick Howard either because of Cuban, so it will be interesting to see what he does. He's backed into a corner. I wouldnt be surprised to see him choose Zach Randolph and Ray Allen or something like that...a couple of smaller market players. Maybe Odom for LA. Shoot...why not just throw Diaw and Raja Bell in there to complete the deal?

Well you don't have to worry about Odom, he's missed like a month+ with his injury. There's no way he can get a spot. I mean, well... It would be shocking to say the least.

Randolph is actually having a good year, and Ray Allen is doing his best to carry that team without Lewis... We shall see I suppose.

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 09:00 PM
Well this season im all homer for NAsh for MVP.
Last season he truly was deserving of MVP. Amare out, Thomas out most the year.
So no real post prescense. He got Diaw to be a great player, Barbosa learned tons last season, got open shots for everyone, and got us to the Western Conf. Finals and pushed it to 6 games by basically going with only 6 players.
insane! This year he has better numbers, but he has an improved Diaw, improved Barbosa and Amare back to help him.
but i wont mind a bit if he wins again

He got Diaw to be a great player, he got Barbosa to be better, Marion to be better, and Stoudemire to be better?

That's insane.

Marion would disagree with you. (Make sure you remove highlight-fueled homerism glasses for this...) He's said several times that he was just as good before Nash got there.

RhymesayersDU
02-01-2007, 09:04 PM
He got Diaw to be a great player, he got Barbosa to be better, Marion to be better, and Stoudemire to be better?

That's insane.

Marion would disagree with you. (Make sure you remove highlight-fueled homerism glasses for this...) He's said several times that he was just as good before Nash got there.

Did anybody even know Marion's name before Nash?

Seriously, Marion owes Nash a good portion of his paycheck. The only one of them good before Nash was Amare.

ludo21
02-01-2007, 09:06 PM
did I say he got Marion to play better? Where did i say that? or Amare for that matter..

Marion is a great player, very athletic, great defender and rebounder and can hit the spot up 3. Thats his role on this team.

Im sorry, I forgot Diaw was a potential All Star before he got Phx.. wait...

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 09:08 PM
Did anybody even know Marion's name before Nash?
Seriously, Marion owes Nash a good portion of his paycheck. The only one of them good before Nash was Amare.

I hope you are being facetious...Marion earned a max contract before Nash showed up...if not in Phoenix, then somewhere else. Imagine that guy playing next to Duncan on a defensive team.

Here are Marion's stats:

Year Team G Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
1999-00 PHO 51 24:41 4.4 9.2 47.1 0.1 0.4 18.2 1.4 1.7 84.7 2.1 4.5 6.5 1.4 1.0 0.8 1.0 2.2 10.2
2000-01 PHO 79 36:12 7.1 14.7 48.0 0.3 1.0 25.6 3.0 3.7 81.0 2.8 8.0 10.7 2.0 1.6 1.7 1.4 2.7 17.3
2001-02 PHO 81 38:23 8.1 17.2 46.9 0.6 1.5 39.3 2.4 2.8 84.5 2.6 7.3 9.9 2.0 1.8 1.8 1.1 2.6 19.1
2002-03 PHO 81 41:36 8.2 18.1 45.2 1.7 4.5 38.7 3.1 3.6 85.1 2.5 7.1 9.5 2.4 1.9 2.3 1.2 2.6 21.2
2003-04 PHO 79 40:42 7.5 17.0 44.0 1.1 3.4 34.0 2.9 3.4 85.1 2.7 6.7 9.3 2.7 2.0 2.1 1.3 2.6 19.0
2004-05 PHO 81 38:47 7.6 15.9 47.6 1.4 4.2 33.4 2.8 3.4 83.3 2.9 8.4 11.3 1.9 1.5 2.0 1.5 2.5 19.4
2005-06 PHO 81 40:17 8.8 16.9 52.5 1.2 3.6 33.1 3.0 3.7 80.9 3.1 8.8 11.8 1.8 1.5 2.0 1.7 2.8 21.8
2006-07 PHO 45 38:23 7.5 14.2 52.7 1.2 3.6 32.5 2.8 3.3 83.2 2.0 8.1 10.1 1.6 1.5 2.1 1.4 2.6 18.9


Notice how strikingly similar they are before Nash came, and after.

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 09:10 PM
I really dont see how Marion's rebounding improved because of Nash. Maybe Im not basketball-savvy, but that seems to be attributeable more to the new system (more possessions because of less use of the shot clock) than anything else.

ludo21
02-01-2007, 09:12 PM
I didnt even say Marion improved caz of Nash, and then u go off on that tangent LOL

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 09:14 PM
3 Suns
2 Rockets
2 Pistons
2 Nets
2 Spurs
2 Wizards
2 Heat



1 Maverick

...that's a blatant slap in the face to Avery Johnson, Dirk Nowitzki, and the Mavs. The coaches usually reward the best team in the league in all-star voting by allowing their borderline players to beat out other borderline players, but didnt throw the Mavs a bone at all this year.

ludo21
02-01-2007, 09:16 PM
Ahhh poooorrrr little Mavs.... ;D

Maybe this year they wont choke away a NBA title so you can have ur revenge for this travesty. :)

Master___Pain
02-01-2007, 09:18 PM
3 Suns
2 Rockets
2 Pistons
2 Nets
2 Spurs
2 Wizards
2 Heat



1 Maverick

...that's a blatant slap in the face to Avery Johnson, Dirk Nowitzki, and the Mavs. The coaches usually reward the best team in the league in all-star voting by allowing their borderline players to beat out other borderline players, but didnt throw the Mavs a bone at all this year.

Llama, you can't use Eastern Conference teams to bolster the slap in the face arguement. Come on man.

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 09:18 PM
I didnt even say Marion improved caz of Nash, and then u go off on that tangent

I thought that Nash made everyone better?

If so, then why is Marion's scoring average the lowest it's been since his second year? This in spite of the fact that the Suns have so many more posessions per game than they did back then.

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 09:19 PM
Ahhh poooorrrr little Mavs.... ;D
Maybe this year they wont choke away a NBA title so you can have ur revenge for this travesty.

Maybe Dirk can drop 50 on your Suns again on the way to pushing them aside like a pest on their way somewhere that Nash can only dream about.

ludo21
02-01-2007, 09:21 PM
Maybe Dirk can drop 50 on your Suns again on the way to pushing them aside like a pest on their way somewhere that Nash can only dream about.

maybe.

as long as we win he can score 100 :clown:

And as far as MArion dropping in PPG, im not sure, maybe Amre back is taking away his shots?

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 09:21 PM
Llama, you can't use Eastern Conference teams to bolster the slap in the face arguement. Come on man.

Sure they can...the coaches rewarded the Wizards and the Pistons. I still havent figured out why they rewarded the Nets.

They didnt reward the best team in the league. Something's a bit wrong here.

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 09:23 PM
maybe.
as long as we win he can score 100

Well, see there's the problem. Dirk scores 50 and the Mavs win. The Suns score 100, and the Mavs win.


And as far as MArion dropping in PPG, im not sure, maybe Amre back is taking away his shots?

He's supposed to be better though, right?

Master___Pain
02-01-2007, 09:25 PM
Sure they can...the coaches rewarded the Wizards and the Pistons. I still havent figured out why they rewarded the Nets.

They didnt reward the best team in the league. Something's a bit wrong here.

It apples and Oranges man. You trying to tell me Arenas and Butler are not all Stars? Billups and Rip are not all stars? You can't compare the number of All star a Eastern Conference team gets, especially in a conference where the star power is no where near what there is in the West.

ludo21
02-01-2007, 09:26 PM
lol trying to back me into a corner with Nash.

If NAsh passes him the ball and he misses, thats not Nash's fault. I havent had time to stop and see that Marion's PPG were down during our win streak's.

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 09:27 PM
It apples and Oranges man. You trying to tell me Arenas and Butler are not all Stars? Billups and Rip are not all stars? You can't compare the number of All star a Eastern Conference team gets, especially in a conference where the star power is no where near what there is in the West.

Joe Johnson should have been an all-star, same for Okafor.

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 09:28 PM
lol trying to back me into a corner with Nash.
If NAsh passes him the ball and he misses, thats not Nash's fault. I havent had time to stop and see that Marion's PPG were down during our win streak's.

"Oh, I didnt know that things were different in reality than what I've been seeing on sportscenter."

I guess the NBA is taking care of its fans.

Master___Pain
02-01-2007, 09:29 PM
All this banter from someone that "has sworn off the NBA". Amazing. I sure hope we don't see more of the same melt downs we've seen from you in the past llama in the coming months. I hope this mini bout of histrionics is all we get to witness.

ludo21
02-01-2007, 09:32 PM
"Oh, I didnt know that things were different in reality than what I've been seeing on sportscenter."

I guess the NBA is taking care of its fans.

lol, just like the Broncos, all i care about is W' s, and we have been racking those up :wave:

MP is right, i thought you hated the NBA :~ohyah!:

edit: and btw, MArion is only 3 points off his pace last year, you act like he dropped significantly ROFL!

epicSocialism4tw
02-01-2007, 09:32 PM
All this banter from someone that "has sworn off the NBA". Amazing. I sure hope we don't see more of the same melt downs we've seen from you in the past llama in the coming months. I hope this mini bout of histrionics is all we get to witness.

We'll see. I explained on another thread why I got sucked back in.

Instead of blatantly attacking people when they have no rationale for their ideas, I usually vent the frustration with questions. Unfortunately, far too many people in the world are unwilling to admit that they have no idea what they are talking about, have only a couple of grains of information to work with, and are completely unwilling to learn. (Ludo, Im not talking about you...you were just the Suns fan on this thread.)

Rascal
02-01-2007, 09:38 PM
All star game is a joke. Fact that only one dallas player is there and three suns is unforgiveable, and that's not mentioning the obvious ****up of not having the leagues highest scorer as a member.

ludo21
02-01-2007, 09:42 PM
and the fact Shaq is in, and STARTING LOL

Nuggets4
02-01-2007, 10:57 PM
Llama, you seriously need to get laid or something. You're WAY too uptight about this.

I'm glad Melo's not going. I hope Stern keeps his ass at home. Maybe now he'll wake up and start playing with some damn passion.

Inkana7
02-01-2007, 11:33 PM
But teh sunz had teh 17 game win streak!!111!

Psh. All-star games suck. They're nothing but what the fans want.

SportinOne
02-02-2007, 12:12 AM
Just a little side note...

Michael Redd has been hurt for a couple weeks now and won't be back for a while. Chances are, he's a lock if he's even day-to-day but he's not. Guy just gets better every year.

epicSocialism4tw
02-02-2007, 12:23 AM
Just a little side note...

Michael Redd has been hurt for a couple weeks now and won't be back for a while. Chances are, he's a lock if he's even day-to-day but he's not. Guy just gets better every year.

I love Micheal Redd's game.

maven
02-02-2007, 01:00 AM
I hope you are being facetious...Marion earned a max contract before Nash showed up...

Max contracts were tossed around like candy back then. And to some extent still is today.

maven
02-02-2007, 01:10 AM
Marion is a great player, very athletic, great defender and rebounder and can hit the spot up 3. Thats his role on this team.

Im sorry, I forgot Diaw was a potential All Star before he got Phx.. wait...

Marion never has or will never be a great player. What you posted is essentially what Marion does. It has nothing to do with his role on his team. He is what he is. He's not great, but a very good sidekick type player.

ludo21
02-02-2007, 02:12 AM
24 points 23 rebounds.

Great game by Amare tonight.

Freaking Ginobli and his ball kicking bull. He better be suspended, that was complete crap.

Nuggets4
02-02-2007, 02:19 AM
Freaking Ginobli and his ball kicking bull. He better be suspended, that was complete crap.

You're kidding, right? That was actually a foul on Amare. It's not Ginobili's fault that Amare's crotch got in the way.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to bleach my skin as I just defended Ginobili.

azbroncfan
02-02-2007, 02:23 AM
Sure they can...the coaches rewarded the Wizards and the Pistons. I still havent figured out why they rewarded the Nets.

They didnt reward the best team in the league. Something's a bit wrong here.

They did reward the suns and they have best record.

RhymesayersDU
02-02-2007, 02:24 AM
Stern needs to right this wrong
Posted by Marty Burns

The NBA announced its All-Star reserve squads Thursday night, and let’s just say David Stern can thank his lucky stars that Yao Ming and Carlos Boozer are injured.

Not that the Commish would want to see any player hurt and unable to participate in the midseason classic.

But at least now Stern will get to pick two replacements – and correct the injustice done by the league’s coaches who somehow left off Denver’s Carmelo Anthony and Dallas’ Josh Howard.

Anthony and Howard were two of four guys who got the royal shaft. The other two were from the East: Atlanta’s Joe Johnson and Chicago’s Luol Deng.

Clearly there were other deserving players. One could make a case for Marcus Camby (Nuggets), Elton Brand (Clippers), Baron Davis (Warriors), Ray Allen (Sonics), Kevin Martin (Kings), Zach Randolph (Blazers) and Mehmet Okur/Deron Williams (Jazz) in the West, and Emeka Okafor (Bobcats), Eddy Curry (Knicks), Ben Gordon (Bulls), Tayshaun Prince (Pistons), Antawn Jamison (Wizards) and Andre Iguodala (Sixers), among others, in the East.

But while those guys might have been All-Star worthy, they weren’t more deserving than the guys that made it.

Only the four guys mentioned above have a legitimate reason to call the FBI and demand an investigation.

Johnson is one of the NBA’s top 10 scorers (24.7 ppg.) and he’s been a consistent force all season. It’s not his fault the Hawks stink. He should have been on over one of the Pistons guards.

Deng has been the most consistent two-way player for a Bulls team that has been near the top of the East all season. Gordon would have been a fine choice as well, but he faced a much more crowded field at guard. Deng, who is shooting a ridiculous 52 percent from the floor (while consistently knocking down the mid-range jumper), should have been on the forward list instead of Vince Carter, who has failed to lift the Nets above .500.

Of course, neither Johnson nor Deng should feel too badly about not getting in. Were Paul Pierce and Michael Redd not injured, they would have made the team anyway. Then there wouldn’t have been room for anybody else on the East.

But the snubs that will get the most attention for sure are those of Anthony and Howard. The coaches obviously held Anthony’s suspension for fighting against him. Otherwise the Nuggets forward – and NBA’s leading scorer – would have been a shoo-in. Howard, meanwhile, should have made it because he’s become a key two-way contributor for a Dallas squad that has been the NBA’s best all season.

Fortunately for Stern, he won’t have to worry about it. By adding Anthony and Howard, he will be able to end all the controversy soon enough. He should send Yao and Boozer a thank-you note, or maybe tickets to a Vegas show during All-Star Weekend.

Tredici
02-02-2007, 02:27 AM
A Vegas All Star Weekend? What way is that to market a league? I was thinking a Wednesday night on VS.....

(Sorry had to throw a someone please shoot Bettman who was thrust into the bigs by Stern into the mix.)

epicSocialism4tw
02-02-2007, 02:44 AM
They did reward the suns and they have best record.

The Suns are 1/2 a game back of Dallas, and are 0-2 against them this season.

Dallas went 0-4 until they played Phoenix for the first time. Dallas used Phoenix to springboard off of the mat, and Dallas hasnt been back on it since. The second time they played, PHX went on their cute little runs and Dallas waited in the lurch to reach up and choke them out when it mattered.

I'll believe that the Suns can beat the Mavs in the playoffs when I see it. Until then, enjoy the regular season and quit comparing the Suns to the defending conference champions.

TheChamp24
02-02-2007, 03:24 AM
I think its ridiculous that Melo and Howard didn't make it. Whatever though, I don't really care.

The Suns are 1/2 a game back of Dallas, and are 0-2 against them this season.

Dallas went 0-4 until they played Phoenix for the first time. Dallas used Phoenix to springboard off of the mat, and Dallas hasnt been back on it since. The second time they played, PHX went on their cute little runs and Dallas waited in the lurch to reach up and choke them out when it mattered.

I'll believe that the Suns can beat the Mavs in the playoffs when I see it. Until then, enjoy the regular season and quit comparing the Suns to the defending conference champions.

While I do think the Mavs are a better team, I think you are taking what the Suns have been doing too lightly. I mean, the Suns started out 1-5, and have gone 36-4 since then. Mavs have gone 38-4 sine their 0-4 start. This is why bad starts aren't exactly deathening in the NBA, NHL or MLB because there are so many games.
Also, the first game was a long time ago, when both teams weren't playing "great" basketball. It was still close, 119-112, the second game was even closer in Dallas, 101-99. It isn't exactly like the Mavs killed the Suns in both games.

epicSocialism4tw
02-02-2007, 04:03 AM
I think its ridiculous that Melo and Howard didn't make it. Whatever though, I don't really care.
While I do think the Mavs are a better team, I think you are taking what the Suns have been doing too lightly. I mean, the Suns started out 1-5, and have gone 36-4 since then. Mavs have gone 38-4 sine their 0-4 start. This is why bad starts aren't exactly deathening in the NBA, NHL or MLB because there are so many games.
Also, the first game was a long time ago, when both teams weren't playing "great" basketball. It was still close, 119-112, the second game was even closer in Dallas, 101-99. It isn't exactly like the Mavs killed the Suns in both games.

For all of the Suns' effort, they still have gained no separation from the Mavs, and are currently in second place. With the remaining schedules of the two, I dont see the Suns winning the West. From all of the hype they have received, you would think that they were 47-0. They can streak all they want, but if they cant beat Dallas, its all for naught, and they have had some serious problems beating Dallas.

The team that Dallas beat twice this season is the same one playing now. Suns fans seem to think that they can rationalize those losses by throwing out that qualifier, when in actuality, Dallas is up a half-game in the standings and has a 2-0 lead on the tiebreaker, with a win already taken on Phoenix.' home court. Dallas is already 2/3 of the way to tiebreaker advantage.

The Suns have a nearly impossible job in beating the Mavs both in the regular season and in the playoffs.

TheChamp24
02-02-2007, 05:41 AM
For all of the Suns' effort, they still have gained no separation from the Mavs, and are currently in second place. With the remaining schedules of the two, I dont see the Suns winning the West. From all of the hype they have received, you would think that they were 47-0. They can streak all they want, but if they cant beat Dallas, its all for naught, and they have had some serious problems beating Dallas.

The team that Dallas beat twice this season is the same one playing now. Suns fans seem to think that they can rationalize those losses by throwing out that qualifier, when in actuality, Dallas is up a half-game in the standings and has a 2-0 lead on the tiebreaker, with a win already taken on Phoenix.' home court. Dallas is already 2/3 of the way to tiebreaker advantage.

The Suns have a nearly impossible job in beating the Mavs both in the regular season and in the playoffs.

I love that, nearly impossible job of beating the Mavs. I guess the NBA should shut down the rest of the season, have the top 8 teams battle it out in the East, and whoever wins faces the Mavs.

azbroncfan
02-02-2007, 12:32 PM
I love that, nearly impossible job of beating the Mavs. I guess the NBA should shut down the rest of the season, have the top 8 teams battle it out in the East, and whoever wins faces the Mavs.

Then LLama can predict another sweep just like last year.

sgbfan
02-02-2007, 01:14 PM
For replacements I think it has to be between Melo, Randolph, Brand and Okur.

Personally I hope Okur makes it. He has had a great season, especially considering how well Boozer has played. He is on one of the top 5 teams in the NBA as well. He has also been possibly the most clutch player in the NBA this season. He showed that Wednesday against the Spurs. He has come up HUGE in the 4th quarter time and again this season. I know I am a Jazz Homer, but this guy deserves it as much as anyone else. He is scoring almost 18 points a game and has both Carlos Boozer and Deron Williams on his team that both score a lot. He is easily the best Center (term used loosely) this year that is not on the all-star team.

Theres my rant for the day

epicSocialism4tw
02-02-2007, 05:39 PM
I love that, nearly impossible job of beating the Mavs. I guess the NBA should shut down the rest of the season, have the top 8 teams battle it out in the East, and whoever wins faces the Mavs.

You've gotta beat the best to be the best. It's really a common sense type thing.

TheChamp24
02-02-2007, 05:53 PM
For replacements I think it has to be between Melo, Randolph, Brand and Okur.

Personally I hope Okur makes it. He has had a great season, especially considering how well Boozer has played. He is on one of the top 5 teams in the NBA as well. He has also been possibly the most clutch player in the NBA this season. He showed that Wednesday against the Spurs. He has come up HUGE in the 4th quarter time and again this season. I know I am a Jazz Homer, but this guy deserves it as much as anyone else. He is scoring almost 18 points a game and has both Carlos Boozer and Deron Williams on his team that both score a lot. He is easily the best Center (term used loosely) this year that is not on the all-star team.

Theres my rant for the day

Okur? You're kidding, right? 17.6, decent, not All Star material. 7.4 rebounds, decent, nothing special for a center. 0.60 blocks a game. A center averaging .6 blocks a game and you think he is an All Star!??!!??! Most clutch player? Good lord, take off the homer goggles.
And he is not the best center not on an All-Star team.

ludo21
02-02-2007, 09:46 PM
We will see in the playoffs llama is all i can say.

You say we havent gained seperation from you? We can say the same for the MAvs.

0-2 vs. the Mavs this year, big deal, both were close games, and not in the playoffs when it counts.

Im still not sure if we can beat the Mavs or Spurs in a 7 game series, but dont act like it cant happen, caz this Suns team is very good, and they are slowly adding more player from the bench onto the floor for some minutes.

sgbfan
02-03-2007, 12:36 AM
Okur? You're kidding, right? 17.6, decent, not All Star material. 7.4 rebounds, decent, nothing special for a center. 0.60 blocks a game. A center averaging .6 blocks a game and you think he is an All Star!??!!??! Most clutch player? Good lord, take off the homer goggles.
And he is not the best center not on an All-Star team.

First of all, what Center has been better? As for the points he has one point less than Marion and Stoudemire who are on the team, and only 2 less than Josh Howard who got totally hosed, right? As for the rebounds, he has the 4th leading rebounder in the league on his team. As for the most clutch, thats debatable, but there is an argument for him. He has hit a ton of key shots in the last 2 minutes of games and in the 4th quarter during huge comebacks.. The only reason he doesn't get more attention is because he is on the jazz. The only center that has more points per game than him and is not on an all-star team is Eddy Curry. Considering the fact that the two players that are injured are PF and Center, I think he is as legitimate of a replacement as any. Any more questions, then refer to the 4th quarter of the game against the Spurs wednesday, end of the overtime against the grizzlies, overtime game against the Suns earlier in the season, GW shot vs. the Warriors earlier this season, etc... I will give you the fact that there are others to replace in the all-star game just as qualified, but not from the Center position.

sixtimeseight
02-03-2007, 01:09 AM
You've gotta beat the best to be the best. It's really a common sense type thing.



how'd the "best" do last year, champ?

azbroncfan
02-03-2007, 06:01 PM
how'd the "best" do last year, champ?

They were predicted to sweep Miami, so I don't know how he can consider them the best. His logic would mean Miami is the best.

TheChamp24
02-03-2007, 07:11 PM
First of all, what Center has been better? As for the points he has one point less than Marion and Stoudemire who are on the team, and only 2 less than Josh Howard who got totally hosed, right? As for the rebounds, he has the 4th leading rebounder in the league on his team. As for the most clutch, thats debatable, but there is an argument for him. He has hit a ton of key shots in the last 2 minutes of games and in the 4th quarter during huge comebacks.. The only reason he doesn't get more attention is because he is on the jazz. The only center that has more points per game than him and is not on an all-star team is Eddy Curry. Considering the fact that the two players that are injured are PF and Center, I think he is as legitimate of a replacement as any. Any more questions, then refer to the 4th quarter of the game against the Spurs wednesday, end of the overtime against the grizzlies, overtime game against the Suns earlier in the season, GW shot vs. the Warriors earlier this season, etc... I will give you the fact that there are others to replace in the all-star game just as qualified, but not from the Center position.

I'd take Marcus Camby over Okur for the Center position personally. More rebounds, more blocks, better defensive player.

ludo21
02-04-2007, 12:27 AM
Okur has played lights out tonight.

Hit tough tough shot to win it.

sgbfan
02-04-2007, 01:39 AM
I'd take Marcus Camby over Okur for the Center position personally. More rebounds, more blocks, better defensive player.

Are you a Nuggets fan? If so, Wow! Surprise!

sgbfan
02-04-2007, 01:42 AM
Okur has played lights out tonight.

Hit tough tough shot to win it.

Thats what he does! Suns had 3 All-stars and Jazz had zero playing tonight?

TheChamp24
02-04-2007, 01:44 AM
Are you a Nuggets fan? If so, Wow! Surprise!

Wow, what a surprise you are backing Okur, a Jazz, Mr. Jazz fan. Camby is the better defensive guy, and thats what I want in a Center. Heck, I'd maybe consider Ben Wallace over Okur.

ZONA
02-04-2007, 01:54 AM
If it's not totally apparent - there are 2 things that cannot be disputed.

1) The Allstar game is a joke, nothing more then a glorified exhibition game where fans and 20 million chinese determine who plays in the game. I don't even watch that crap. Nothing but players just throwing up lob after lob. Pretty damn boring actually.

2) angryllama won't stop telling everybody how great the Mavs are. I swear, you would think they were better then the Jordan Bulls of the 90's the way he goes on and on and on and on. I could see 4 teams from the west that could win it (Suns, Spurs, Mavs and Jazz). If you count anyone of those teams out, you're a fool.

sgbfan
02-04-2007, 06:58 PM
Wow, what a surprise you are backing Okur, a Jazz, Mr. Jazz fan. Camby is the better defensive guy, and thats what I want in a Center. Heck, I'd maybe consider Ben Wallace over Okur.

I am not arguing that there aren't other good centers in the league. Okur is more like a power forward than a center, but he does play the center. I just said that he has played well enough (at least offensively, which is what All-stars usually do) to be a possible replacement. He has come up big at big times to win games. As a Jazz fan, I have seen him play, so why is it so bad that I back him up? I'm not the only person that has said that he could be an all-star this year. To say that you'd rather have other people that play defense is understandable, and I partially agree with that. I would love to have a center that is a great defender. But that doesn't mean that Okur hasn't been good this year, it just means you prefer other players that are good. I'd much rather have a player like Raja Bell on the Jazz than Kobe Bryant, but that doesn't mean that Raja Bell is better than Kobe. I am just saying that Okur deserves a look as a replacement, and I hope he gets in. You can agree with me or not. It's as simple as that.

rubaiyat
02-05-2007, 03:49 AM
Sure they can...the coaches rewarded the Wizards and the Pistons. I still havent figured out why they rewarded the Nets.

They didnt reward the best team in the league. Something's a bit wrong here.

I've read it is because of the nature of the vote. With more deserving candidates in the forward position, the coaches votes get split whereas there are really only a few guard candidates.

As such, you can get a situation where by raw numbers more guards get taken than forwards, even though coaches picked forwards as their "wild cards".

epicSocialism4tw
02-05-2007, 05:15 PM
I've read it is because of the nature of the vote. With more deserving candidates in the forward position, the coaches votes get split whereas there are really only a few guard candidates.

As such, you can get a situation where by raw numbers more guards get taken than forwards, even though coaches picked forwards as their "wild cards".

Yeah, you're right about the voting procedure.

I thought that it would be a good idea to competely dump the whole process.

sgbfan
02-06-2007, 12:40 AM
Okur does it again! 10 pts in the last 3 minutes to beat the Bulls! CLUTCH BABY!

sgbfan
02-14-2007, 12:52 AM
Mehmet Okur and Ray Allen to replace Nash and Iversen for the all-star game! At least one Jazz player will be there to represent. Would be nice to have Deron Williams there too, he could have been there too.

ludo21
02-14-2007, 01:18 AM
Mehmet Okur and Ray Allen to replace Nash and Iversen for the all-star game! At least one Jazz player will be there to represent. Would be nice to have Deron Williams there too, he could have been there too.

Nash out of the lineup has killed us.

Our team doesnt run the same, and the offense as a whole looks bad.

Defensively they are still the same, maybe a little worse.

sgbfan
02-14-2007, 01:42 AM
Nash out of the lineup has killed us.

Our team doesnt run the same, and the offense as a whole looks bad.

Defensively they are still the same, maybe a little worse.

Thats why I thought Deron Williams would make the team. There is no true point guard on the West other than Parker. I am just glad a Jazz player made it though.

azbroncfan
02-14-2007, 01:49 AM
Thats why I thought Deron Williams would make the team. There is no true point guard on the West other than Parker. I am just glad a Jazz player made it though.

As a Jazz fan myself I thought Williams should of made it but Okur is deserving too. He has hit at least 6 game winning or tying shots this year in the last minute. He has been clutch. I thought Williams would replace Nash for the same reason you listed above.

sgbfan
02-14-2007, 02:16 AM
As a Jazz fan myself I thought Williams should of made it but Okur is deserving too. He has hit at least 6 game winning or tying shots this year in the last minute. He has been clutch. I thought Williams would replace Nash for the same reason you listed above.

Deron will get many chances, plus he is in the sophomore rookie challenge game, which might have made a difference. Jazz should have multiple players for years to come. Maybe they will earn some repect in this years playoffs. But we are talking about the Jazz here, so who knows. Wouldn't it be nice if the Jazz got the same treatment from the refs as the Spurs, Mavericks, and superstars like Kobe!

azbroncfan
02-14-2007, 10:38 AM
Okur? You're kidding, right? 17.6, decent, not All Star material. 7.4 rebounds, decent, nothing special for a center. 0.60 blocks a game. A center averaging .6 blocks a game and you think he is an All Star!??!!??! Most clutch player? Good lord, take off the homer goggles.
And he is not the best center not on an All-Star team.

Surprise surprise.

sgbfan
02-15-2007, 05:22 PM
Surprise surprise.

I know. I guess someone should tell stern to take off his Homer glasses too!

epicSocialism4tw
02-15-2007, 05:41 PM
Okur deserves to be there. Anyone knocking that Jazz team has not seen them play. They've been in the typical midseason rut, but they'll win 50 games.