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Ray Finkle
01-31-2007, 09:12 PM
Has the Broncos taking Adam Carriker......I will be stunned if he is available at 21.
yerner
01-31-2007, 10:17 PM
I dunno, there are a number of d line guys above him still. Even after the senior bowl. It would be a nice pick but not unthinkable. Then again, the combine always sorts things out. He may jump.
Clockwork Orange
01-31-2007, 10:35 PM
Link?
Hercules Rockefeller
01-31-2007, 10:54 PM
A pick from the War Room that actually fills Denver's needs is not possible
Clockwork Orange
01-31-2007, 11:05 PM
A pick from the War Room that actually fills Denver's needs is not possible
I couldn't remember if it was them or not, but I thought they were the ones who had the Broncos taking a TE in round one every year.
SoCalBronco
01-31-2007, 11:29 PM
I couldn't remember if it was them or not, but I thought they were the ones who had the Broncos taking a TE in round one every year.
There was one year when they had Denver taking Ohio State WR Ken-Yon Rambo in the first round................he was drafted in the seventh round that year by Oakland I believe.
BroncoInferno
01-31-2007, 11:52 PM
I'm not sure Carriker is a good fit for Bates anyway. His scheme seems to call for giant tackles and smaller, quicker DEs. Carriker is more of a power end who can play a smallish DT on pass downs. Doesn't seems like a good fit, but woh knows?
And, to be fair to the Sporting News, early projections often go up in flames. Kiper declared John Walsh of BYU as the Panthers #1 overall pick in 1995 and he did not go until the 7th round to Cincy. Keith Adams of Clemson was expected to go in the 2nd or 3rd rond and ended up a 7th rounder. Happens every year. The combine kills some guys.
chickennob2
02-01-2007, 12:04 AM
I say if none of Lynch, Okoye, Carriker, or Levi Brown are there, trade down.
DBroncos4life
02-01-2007, 01:43 AM
Take it and run.
Killericon
02-01-2007, 02:17 AM
There was one year when they had Denver taking Ohio State WR Ken-Yon Rambo in the first round................he was drafted in the seventh round that year by Oakland I believe.
He is currently kicking ass for the Calgary Stampeders, I'll have you know. :P
OrangeShadow
02-01-2007, 08:07 AM
I kind of want them to trade UP for okoye
cmhargrove
02-01-2007, 09:54 AM
How about Carriker in the first, trade up in the second for Mebane. Take a safety in the third.
Find the best project RB in the fourth, or trade our two fourths next year for another third this year and take a RB there.
Just dreaming.
It would be nice, however, to fill one of these needs in free agency (RB, S, or Kerney at DE).
Crushaholic
02-01-2007, 02:09 PM
Link?
It's a subscription service, so Ray wouldn't be allowed to post it here...
How about Carriker in the first, trade up in the second for Mebane. Take a safety in the third.
Find the best project RB in the fourth, or trade our two fourths next year for another third this year and take a RB there.
Just dreaming.
It would be nice, however, to fill one of these needs in free agency (RB, S, or Kerney at DE).
i like your first day a lot, but i hate the idea of RB "projects"...we dont need someone to work with, we need someone who already knows what the hell they are doing
Ray Finkle
02-01-2007, 05:20 PM
It's a subscription service, so Ray wouldn't be allowed to post it here...
Yep....but when it gets closer to the draft, I will "post" more info....
Clockwork Orange
02-01-2007, 06:49 PM
It's a subscription service, so Ray wouldn't be allowed to post it here...
Ah, didn't know that. Thanks for the heads up.
Hercules Rockefeller
02-02-2007, 01:13 AM
Almost everything at the Sporting News, ESPN, and NFLDraftBlitz (WTF???) are premium info now. ESPN's not worth it, but at least they have some quality writers. The Sporting News is nothing special, and I'm still trying to figure out how the guy who runs NFLDB believed that his site had "premium" info that needed to be behind a pay-wall.
Elway777
02-02-2007, 04:29 AM
How about Carriker in the first, trade up in the second for Mebane. Take a safety in the third.
Find the best project RB in the fourth, or trade our two fourths next year for another third this year and take a RB there.
Just dreaming.
It would be nice, however, to fill one of these needs in free agency (RB, S, or Kerney at DE). I like Carriker in the first then try and trade up for Arron Ross or Michael Griffen. Maybe trade our second round plus our second 3 and a 4 rounder next year. Then Draft Mebane, Thomas ,Brown or Harrell in the 3 round.
TheChamp24
02-02-2007, 04:35 AM
Almost everything at the Sporting News, ESPN, and NFLDraftBlitz (WTF???) are premium info now. ESPN's not worth it, but at least they have some quality writers. The Sporting News is nothing special, and I'm still trying to figure out how the guy who runs NFLDB believed that his site had "premium" info that needed to be behind a pay-wall.
I used to like NFLDraft Blitz site, heck, I was a Broncos columnist a few years back, I think 2002 or 2003. That was when they started their subscription service, and then I realized it was going to turn into an insider thing where you had to pay to get access to info. That site has nothing really of added value to make you pay for it. Pay to see where they think guys will go, their mock drafts, their top rated prospects at each position? You can find that info elsewhere easily, and for free. Plus, they took down their message board. I really dislike that place now for what it has become.
Hercules Rockefeller
02-02-2007, 11:02 PM
21 (21)Broncos Adam Carriker DT Nebraska Broncos coach/GM Mike Shanahan will go back and forth between a cornerback and a defensive end at this spot, but Carriker's shining performance at the Senior Bowl might be the difference.
These idiots do not get the credit we're giving them for the pick if they still think Denver is taking a CB in the 1st, and they have Quinn falling all the way to the Chiefs at 23.
Other stellar picks
Ginn- 7
Aaron Ross- 10
Zach Miller- 12
Greg Olsen -14
Tanard Jackson- 20
Landry- 22
Pittman- 25
Reggie Nelson- 30
Levi Brown- 32
mattob14
02-03-2007, 02:55 PM
If we're picking from Carriker, Landry, Nelson, and Brown at #21, I take back everything I've said about trading out of the first round. Too bad it won't happen.
BroncoInferno
02-03-2007, 03:06 PM
These idiots do not get the credit we're giving them for the pick if they still think Denver is taking a CB in the 1st,
Are you really ruling it out as a possibility all together? Williams' death leaves us very thin at the position. We have Bailey and Foxworth and an unproven Paymah. Even if you think Paymah will be fine as the nickleback (a risky assumption given how little he's played) we have absolutely nothing after him. If someone got hurt, we'd be in big trouble. It is pretty much a slam dunk that we will either sign a veteran FA or use a first day pick on a CB. Maybe not 1st round, but I certainly wouldn't rule it out.
mattob14
02-03-2007, 03:11 PM
Paymah should fit Bates' system very well and I think he'll end up starting over Foxworth. Foxworth will make a nice nickelback and then we only need to sign a solid vet for depth. I would be shocked to see a corner taken any higher than round 3, if at all.
Ray Finkle
02-03-2007, 03:30 PM
Are you really ruling it out as a possibility all together? Williams' death leaves us very thin at the position. We have Bailey and Foxworth and an unproven Paymah. Even if you think Paymah will be fine as the nickleback (a risky assumption given how little he's played) we have absolutely nothing after him. If someone got hurt, we'd be in big trouble. It is pretty much a slam dunk that we will either sign a veteran FA or use a first day pick on a CB. Maybe not 1st round, but I certainly wouldn't rule it out.
Look how well Foxworth played against Boldin and Fitz......you don't draft someone to be a 3rd or 4th corner in the first when there are more urgent needs.
BroncoInferno
02-03-2007, 03:51 PM
Look how well Foxworth played against Boldin and Fitz......you don't draft someone to be a 3rd or 4th corner in the first when there are more urgent needs.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I personally want us to go that direction, but several people have claimed mock drafts mentioning the possibility as "idiotic", but there is a very strong case to be made that we at the very least need to bring in some competition. I like Foxworth, but right now he's pretty much a solid nickleback/marginal starter. Yes, he played well against Arizona, but that was one game. Lenny Walls had a good game against the Colts at the end of the 2003 regular season, so let's not get carried away. Paymah has barely played and he's the #3 guy as things stand right now. That is terrible depth. My preference would be to sign a solid nickle type guy with potential as a number two to give us some depth and give the youngsters competition. But, if we don't do that, it is almost a slam dunk that we will take a CB on the first day. Maybe 1st round. We simply won't go into next season with our current depth.
BroncoInferno
02-03-2007, 03:59 PM
Paymah should fit Bates' system very well and I think he'll end up starting over Foxworth. Foxworth will make a nice nickelback and then we only need to sign a solid vet for depth. I would be shocked to see a corner taken any higher than round 3, if at all.
Prepare to be shocked. Your comments on Paymah may prove true, but as things stand it would be risky at best to assume it. The guy has barely played, so I'm not sure where your confidence is coming from. I do agree that a vet CB who can compete for the starters job would be preferrable to another draft pick, but if you don't see that happen, a CB WILL be selected on the first day of the draft. Think of the playoff blowouts and how injuries really depleted the secondary. You think Shanahan and Bates are going to look at our current depth with satisfaction, especially when one of the top three has never been a regular starter, and another has barely played at all?
Let me make clear that I do not endorse a CB in the 1st round, but I do think the possibility is there. And it is extremely clear that we NEED a solid body there of somekind, whether it be a FA or draft pick. I think some of you are underplaying the situation at CB because you're tired of repeatedly looking at the position in drafts past, with often dubious results. But the past will have little baring on how the coaches and personnel men view the current needs and where the resources will go. To say that CB is not a position of concern, particularly in terms of depth, is just not the reality.
mattob14
02-04-2007, 01:26 PM
Not wanting a CB high in the draft has nothing to do with our past picks. DW, Foxworth and Paymah was a pretty nice trio a couple of years ago, so I don't think our track record is as bad as you make it out to be. We do need depth at CB, you can't carry only 3 on the roster, but we don't need to spend a high pick on a corner when there are more pressing needs, especially when considering how young our current corners are. Foxworth has been solid in his time here. Paymah actually looked pretty decent in his time at the end of last season and we're now running a system that fits his strengths. I never claimed he'll be a star, but I do feel he'll end up starting over Foxworth. Cox can slide over as dime back when needed. We need a solid vet or a later draft pick, say 3b if someone like Josh Wilson slides, but not a first or second round player.
BroncoInferno
02-04-2007, 03:11 PM
Not wanting a CB high in the draft has nothing to do with our past picks.
I can't speak for you personally, but it's pretty clear that some people are just tired of seeing resources go to the position season after season. If looked at objectively, the need is clear.
DW, Foxworth and Paymah was a pretty nice trio a couple of years ago, so I don't think our track record is as bad as you make it out to be.
That wasn't my point, I agree that was a decent draft, but if you will recall a lot of people bitched about that approach because they thought 'Well we have Bailey and Walls, why do we need to draft three CBs.' Of course, Walls ended up hurt again and ineffective we he did play, now all of a sudden that depth garnered from the draft became critical. That draft proves my point in that people didn't think we needed to address CB in the fashion we did, and yet that depth ended up being critical to our season.
We do need depth at CB, you can't carry only 3 on the roster, but we don't need to spend a high pick on a corner when there are more pressing needs, especially when considering how young our current corners are.
I agree in a sense and I've tried to make clear that I am not personally endorsing drafting a 1st round CB. I am merely pointing out that CB IS a position of concern and that we aren't likely to go through this offseason without addressing it in someway. That may be via a 1st round pick. I'd prefer not, but mock drafts that predict such are not "idiotic". The need there is clear. Whether or not other needs are more pressing, we'll see where the coaches put the emphasis.
Foxworth has been solid in his time here.
True, but mainly in the nickle. He had a solid start against Arizona this season, but that is only one game. He's certainly a question mark if promoted to starter.
Paymah actually looked pretty decent in his time at the end of last season and we're now running a system that fits his strengths. I never claimed he'll be a star, but I do feel he'll end up starting over Foxworth. Cox can slide over as dime back when needed. We need a solid vet or a later draft pick, say 3b if someone like Josh Wilson slides, but not a first or second round player.
Paymah looked inconsistent whenever he was on the field, which wasn't that often. It is sketchy at best to assume he's all of a sudden not only be consistent, but also win a starting job. It may happen, but I'd be very surprised if the coaching staff considers it a slam dunk of any kind. What if he continues to struggle throughout camp and we have done nothing to address the position? The 3rd CB is critical in todays NFL and is on the field very often more than 50% of the time, depending of course on the defensive structure.
mattob14
02-04-2007, 03:23 PM
I actually agree with most of what you say, I think the main difference in opinion is over Paymah. I by no means consider him a sure-fire starter, but have a good feeling about him. Also, a pass-rushing DL in round one will make all of our DB's better. The Broncos have tended to go BPA in round 1, not drafting specifically for need, so I won't rule out any position, I just don't feel CB is the pressing need some make it out to be.
BroncoInferno
02-04-2007, 03:32 PM
I actually agree with most of what you say, I think the main difference in opinion is over Paymah. I by no means consider him a sure-fire starter, but have a good feeling about him. Also, a pass-rushing DL in round one will make all of our DB's better. The Broncos have tended to go BPA in round 1, not drafting specifically for need, so I won't rule out any position, I just don't feel CB is the pressing need some make it out to be.
My point in posting all this is to give people fair warning. Some people have laughed and dismissed mock drafts showing us with a 1st round CB as idiotic, but when you look at the position there are two question marks in top 3 (Can Foxworth be a full time starter? Will Paymah improve his consistency enough to be a reliable nickleback?) and zero depth beyond that. So, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the coaches are more concerned about the position than some of the posters here. I won't necessarily agree with them if they feel the position deserves 1st round attention, but it is definately possible. Also, think of it this way: what if there is a run on DL and none at 21 are worth the pick or else don't fit Bates' system? Maybe they don't like the RBs available either. Hughes is sitting there, they like his instincts, he fills an immediate need in the return game...I'm just saying there is a logic to it. Not that I agree, but I've learned to prepare myself for anything with a Broncos draft.
Billy Clyde Puckett
02-04-2007, 04:08 PM
The Broncos have tended to go BPA in round 1, not drafting specifically for need, so I won't rule out any position, I just don't feel CB is the pressing need some make it out to be.
Actually, if you look back, the Broncos under Shanahan tend to draft at positions that will need to be filled a year or two down the road - not for immediate needs. That is the most compelling argument for a CB early as I believe both Foxworth and Paymuh are UFAs after this year. That is also the reason I feel they will draft a WR early to have ready to go when Rod hangs them up.
mattob14
02-04-2007, 04:09 PM
Also, think of it this way: what if there is a run on DL and none at 21 are worth the pick or else don't fit Bates' system? Maybe they don't like the RBs available either. Hughes is sitting there, they like his instincts, he fills an immediate need in the return game...I'm just saying there is a logic to it. Not that I agree, but I've learned to prepare myself for anything with a Broncos draft.
I actually posted the exact same thing about a run on DL this morning in another thread. The forum mock would be the worst case scenario for me (Lynch, Nelson, Landry, the top 6 DL, Brown, and the top WR's were all gone). CB was actually the best value at that point, although I think I would've gone for Jarvis Moss.
Hercules Rockefeller
02-04-2007, 04:09 PM
Both are RFAs
Billy Clyde Puckett
02-04-2007, 04:11 PM
Both are RFAs
Right - That's what I meant, but had a brain fart and typed it worng.
Hercules Rockefeller
02-04-2007, 04:37 PM
I'd actually like to see the Broncos do what the Eagles do and lock up Paymah and Foxworth long-term this offseason.
eddie mac
02-04-2007, 05:09 PM
I'd actually like to see the Broncos do what the Eagles do and lock up Paymah and Foxworth long-term this offseason.
Thing is though Herc at this point do you rate them well enough to commit that kind of investment???, more importantly do the Broncos???
Thing is though Herc at this point do you rate them well enough to commit that kind of investment???, more importantly do the Broncos???
i do. foxy is starter material and paymah has a place at the worst at dime and best at nickel...either way they are both long-term contributors that you dont want to get away