Bush is About to attack Iran - Why can't Americans see it?

[baja]

January 27, 2007
Bush Is About to Attack Iran
Why Can't Americans See it?
by Paul Craig Roberts

The American public and the US Congress are getting their backs up about the Bush Regime's determination to escalate the war in Iraq. A massive protest demonstration is occurring in Washington DC today, and Congress is expressing its disagreement with Bush's decision to intensify the war in Iraq.
This is all to the good. However, it misses the real issue – the Bush Regime's looming attack on Iran.
Rather than winding down one war, Bush is starting another. The entire world knows this and is discussing Bush's planned attack on Iran in many forums. It is only Americans who haven't caught on. A few senators have said that Bush must not attack Iran without the approval of Congress, and postings on the Internet demonstrate world wide awareness that Iran is in the Bush Regime's cross hairs. But Congress and the Media – and the demonstration in Washington – are focused on Iraq.
What can be done to bring American awareness up to the standard of the rest of the world?
In Davos, Switzerland, the meeting of the World Economic Forum, a conference where economic globalism issues are discussed, opened January 24 with a discussion of Bush's planned attack on Iran. The Secretary General of the League of Arab States and bankers and businessmen from such US allies as Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates all warned of the coming attack and its catastrophic consequences for the Middle East and the world.
Writing for Global Research, General Leonid Ivashov, vice president of the Academy on Geopolitical Affairs and former Joint Chief of Staff of the Russian Armies, forecasted an American nuclear attack on Iran by the end of April. General Ivashov presented the neoconservative reasoning that is the basis for the attack and concluded that the world's protests cannot stop the US attack on Iran.
There will be shock and indignation, General Ivashov concludes, but the US will get away with it. He writes:
"Within weeks from now, we will see the informational warfare machine start working. The public opinion is already under pressure. There will be a growing anti-Iranian militaristic hysteria, new information leaks, disinformation, etc.... The probability of a US aggression against Iran is extremely high. It does remain unclear, though, whether the US Congress is going to authorize the war. It may take a provocation to eliminate this obstacle (an attack on Israel or the US targets including military bases). The scale of the provocation may be comparable to the 9/11 attack in NY. Then the Congress will certainly say 'Yes' to the US president."
The Bush Regime has made it clear that it is convinced that Bush already has the authority to attack Iran. The Regime argues that the authority is part of Bush's commander-in-chief powers. Congress has authorized the war in Iraq, and Bush's recent public statements have shifted the responsibility for the Iraqi insurgency from al-Qaeda to Iran. Iran, Bush has declared, is killing US troops in Iraq. Thus, Iran is covered under the authorization for the war in Iraq.
Both Bush and Cheney have made it clear in public statements that they will ignore any congressional opposition to their war plans. For example, CBS News reported (Jan. 25) that Cheney said that a congressional resolution against escalating the war in Iraq "won't stop us." According to the Associated Press, Bush dismissed congressional disapproval with his statement, "I'm the decision-maker."
Everything is in place for an attack on Iran. Two aircraft carrier attack forces are deployed to the Persian Gulf, US attack aircraft have been moved to Turkey and other countries on Iran's borders, Patriot anti-missile defense systems are being moved to the Middle East to protect oil facilities and US bases from retaliation from Iranian missiles, and growing reams of disinformation alleging Iran's responsibility for the insurgency in Iraq are being fed to the gullible US media.
General Ivashof and everyone in the Middle East and at the Davos globalization conference in Europe understands the Bush Regime's agenda.
Why cannot Americans understand?
Why hasn't Congress told Bush and Cheney that they will both be instantly impeached if they initiate a wider war?

[baja]

how many battle ship groups in the area

[Spider]

we dont see it cause we dont want to ..........the people that voted for Bush are looking for a place to hide , the left is to focused on the 1 st 100 days agenda ............. Bush will slip this through without any opposition .....Remember support the troops ..........

[Bronx33]

We might be Posturing? (just throwin that out there)

[SPfloppy]

OK I'm only going to post this one more time so write this down. Having naval vessals in a region that has an ongoing military conflict does not constitute plans for an invasion of anyone. The US 7th Fleet, PACAF, PACCOM have forces massed and manuvering just out of shore battery range from China, North Korea and Taiwan and it has been that way for almost 70 YEARS!!!! Having two or more carriers in the mid east during an escalation in troop streghth happens because...TROOPS AND EQUIPMENT MOVE BY SHIP!!!!!! Ground troops will fly mainly but thier tanks, field artty pieces, HMMWV's ect are SHIPPED ON NAVAL VESSALS!!!! The ones beating the war drum here are those who tell others that a war is coming with Iran and as I recal the guy who started this thread did so by essencilly say we were going to war with Iran.

[baja]

OK I'm only going to post this one more time so write this down. Having naval vessals in a region that has an ongoing military conflict does not constitute plans for an invasion of anyone. The US 7th Fleet, PACAF, PACCOM have forces massed and manuvering just out of shore battery range from China, North Korea and Taiwan and it has been that way for almost 70 YEARS!!!! Having two or more carriers in the mid east during an escalation in troop streghth happens because...TROOPS AND EQUIPMENT MOVE BY SHIP!!!!!! Ground troops will fly mainly but thier tanks, field artty pieces, HMMWV's ect are SHIPPED ON NAVAL VESSALS!!!! The ones beating the war drum here are those who tell others that a war is coming with Iran and<b> as I recal the guy who started this thread did so by essencilly say we were going to war with Iran</b>.


....as you recall? Dude you are the 4th post.

[TailgateNut]

I've said it more than once. The only way to insure sensible approaches to the Iraq quagmire and the situation ( if we truly consider it a "situation") with Iran, is to put the "boot" in Bush's and Cheney's ass. Evict them from our White House! Not only will this innoculate the current viral infection, but it will also send a message to future occupants, that we WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE!

[Spider]

....as you recall? Dude you are the 4th post.

:D 4 th to some can be an eternity ...........

[Barry Ramey]

Um, yeah. Let's see, the same people that believe there is no Muslim terrorism going around in the world today, it's just all Bush and Fox News scare tactics, turn around and believe these kind of scare tactics. Makes a ton of sense.

[Spider]

I've said it more than once. The only way to insure sensible approaches to the Iraq quagmire and the situation ( if we truly consider it a "situation") with Iran, is to put the "boot" in Bush's and Cheney's ass. Evict them from our White House! Not only will this innoculate the current viral infection, but it will also send a message to future occupants, that we WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE!
I just wish Bush would go to texas for the next couple of years to his ranch ......out of the way where he cant do anymore damage , keep him occupied by putting bright shinny objects around his ranch ..........
Send Cheney to Alaska , let him over see oil operations .........

[Stuck In Texas]

..........the people that voted for Bush are looking for a place to hide ..........

Not me. I don't regret my vote one bit. He's made some decisions I don't agree with, but he was MUCH better than the alternatives. I guess I'll continue to be an outsider because I don't blame everything that goes wrong in the world on the president.

[Spider]

Not me. I don't regret my vote one bit. He's made some decisions I don't agree with, but he was MUCH better than the alternatives. I guess I'll continue to be an outsider because I don't blame everything that goes wrong in the world on the president.
you are right I should have said Voters that are not comatose ..... my bad

[Stuck In Texas]

you are right I should have said Voters that are not comatose ..... my bad

ahhh.. the personal attack. That's ok, I'll be the obviously bigger man. ;D

[SPfloppy]

....as you recall? Dude you are the 4th post.

Bro this has been discussed before and I have posted essencially the same reply. I mean you no offense I just get tired of re-typing

[Spider]

ahhh.. the personal attack. That's ok, I'll be the obviously bigger man. ;D

;D I couldnt come up with a better word , but lets face it , Bush has screwed up so bad , Even Republican senators are regretting their vote .............

[Spider]

Bro this has been discussed before and I have posted essencially the same reply. I mean you no offense I just get tired of re-typing

remember that software , you talk it types ?
I wonder if that would work here ? if so I can really let loose ;D

[SPfloppy]

remember that software , you talk it types ?
I wonder if that would work here ? if so I can really let loose ;D

Yeah but if we all used that here nobody would be able to understand what SPDirty posted:D

[Spider]

Yeah but if we all used that here nobody would be able to understand what SPDirty posted:D

;D

[Elvis]

You should be more afraid of Hillary attacking Iran if she gets elected. She has said as much.

[Antilles]

You should be more afraid of Hillary attacking Iran if she gets elected. She has said as much.

That's news to me. When, where, and in what context?

[Spider]

You should be more afraid of Hillary attacking Iran if she gets elected. She has said as much.

Got a link ?

[Stuck In Texas]

You should be more afraid of Hillary attacking Iran if she gets elected. She has said as much.

We would only have to worry about that if she was having political problems and she thought it would approve her standing in the polls.

[Bronco9798]

I hope we attack Iran and blow them bastards off the map. But, that's just my opinion.

[defenseman]

I've said it more than once. The only way to insure sensible approaches to the Iraq quagmire and the situation ( if we truly consider it a "situation") with Iran, is to put the "boot" in Bush's and Cheney's ass. Evict them from our White House! Not only will this innoculate the current viral infection, but it will also send a message to future occupants, that we WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE!

Sure you will..tough talk, that's about as far as it will go..dman

[defenseman]

I hope we attack Iran and blow them bastards off the map. But, that's just my opinion.

IF, they continue to meddle in iraq, and once cutoff from supporting the insurgency, they continue to attempt to support the effort, though warned to stand down, yeah they may get slapped around a bit, however that will be as far as it goes.....we are presently postured, no one wants to engage these bozos unless they give us an extremely good reason..dman

[SPfloppy]

DMAN again you are the voice of reason and logic and I applaud your efforts

[spdirty]

I hope we attack Iran and blow them bastards off the map. But, that's just my opinion.

absolutely. Air Force is the only branch that can win wars anymore.:approve:

[spdirty]

Yeah but if we all used that here nobody would be able to understand what SPDirty posted:D

LOL Hey dale, I got something for you.































































4321~

[Dudeskey]

IF, they continue to meddle in iraq, and once cutoff from supporting the insurgency, they continue to attempt to support the effort, though warned to stand down, yeah they may get slapped around a bit, however that will be as far as it goes.....we are presently postured, no one wants to engage these bozos unless they give us an extremely good reason..dman

Well, no because:
1- the CIA has said they have no evidence that Iran has a Nuclear weapons program, but it was never reported that the Whitehouse rejected their report.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6167304.stm
2- Unlike Israel, India & Pakistan, Iran has signed the Non-proliferation treaty, and:
3- Tehran appears prepared to open a dialogue, but unfortunately diplomacy isn't in Bush's vocabulary.

[ant1999e]

Well, no because:
1- the CIA has said they have no evidence that Iran has a Nuclear weapons program, but it was never reported that the Whitehouse rejected their report.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6167304.stm
2- Unlike Israel, India & Pakistan, Iran has signed the Non-proliferation treaty, and:
3- Tehran appears prepared to open a dialogue, but unfortunately diplomacy isn't in Bush's vocabulary.

Your avitar says it all. Damn hippie.:peace:

[24champ]

IF, they continue to meddle in iraq, and once cutoff from supporting the insurgency, they continue to attempt to support the effort, though warned to stand down, yeah they may get slapped around a bit, however that will be as far as it goes.....we are presently postured, no one wants to engage these bozos unless they give us an extremely good reason..dman
Thing is Dman you know as well as I do that we have officials from all branches from Military to Intel that have been planning/mapping Iran for YEARS. It's more complicated than just "bombing the hell out of it". Im curious about what China and Russia would do if we blew up their investments in Iran...

[SPfloppy]

"Hey Dale I've got something for you"

Hey Juice usually when you give somebody something it has a three letter accronym and is cured with libereal doses of penicylin
OOOOOOOO Sick Burn!!!!

[defenseman]

ahhh.. the personal attack. That's ok, I'll be the obviously bigger man. ;D

It's amazing sometimes, disagree and get personally attacked. Well, if that's the best they can do, that's fine. No different than a grade school response, the playground "bully" if you will. Waste of time is what it really is..dman

[defenseman]

We would only have to worry about that if she was having political problems and she thought it would approve her standing in the polls.

Sounds like a very, very familiar tactic. Guess "broomhillary" wants to keep it in the family...dman

[defenseman]

Well, no because:
1- the CIA has said they have no evidence that Iran has a Nuclear weapons program, but it was never reported that the Whitehouse rejected their report.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6167304.stm
2- Unlike Israel, India & Pakistan, Iran has signed the Non-proliferation treaty, and:
3- Tehran appears prepared to open a dialogue, but unfortunately diplomacy isn't in Bush's vocabulary.

I believe you are incorrect on this subject. I'll say it again, IF the iranians STOP supporting the insurgency , et al, and crawl back across their border so to speak, nothing will happen. IF they don't back off, secure providing aide to the insurgency though told to back off, they'll get slapped around eventually. They'll have to be. We will have no choice if they don't back off...dman

*BBC provided information. Sorry, not good enough. The CIA and the whitehouse will be very careful about how they play their cards on iran. They haven't signed, no-kidding. They want a hammer to play with, the weapons are the hammer. Open dialouge? Do you really think that is going to be advantageous to us? They'll be promoting their agenda AS they talk out of the other side of their mouth, I'll gaurantee you that. NO ONE wants to tangle with the iranians, at some point though, if he doesn't stand down, we'll be forced to along with other countries in the region. I'm thinking the Iatolla will eventually force little hitler to stand down though. I'm thinking he understands the long term ramifications of becoming a nuclear state. And, in their scenario it's not good. I want nothing to do with these guys, however sometimes necessary actions are what they are, to be afraid to do what you must, is quite simply not an option.

*3K centrifuges is a fair amount. They need more though for an expeditious development of any weapons grade material. If that number is correct, it will be a bit before they are a real threat from the nuclear standpoint. Assuming 3K though, I'd be weary about that. Little hitler has proved himself quite innovative in the past.

[defenseman]

Thing is Dman you know as well as I do that we have officials from all branches from Military to Intel that have been planning/mapping Iran for YEARS. It's more complicated than just "bombing the hell out of it". Im curious about what China and Russia would do if we blew up their investments in Iran...

Wholesale bombing won't work on what's important. In my opinion, we'd target any facility that could be used to enrich material to support the manufacture of a special weapon. That won't be easy, They are well fortified as advertised. But, we may have no choice in the near future...dman

*Bottom line is you need the correct weapon and you get one shot at it, make it count. Then stand on the sideline and wait for a reaction, postured of course...

[TailgateNut]

Sure you will..tough talk, that's about as far as it will go..dman

Sure I will what??? The issue is and always should be accountability. No difference between the private sector and public servants IMO!

[Rohirrim]

I believe you are incorrect on this subject. I'll say it again, IF the iranians STOP supporting the insurgency , et al, and crawl back across their border so to speak, nothing will happen. IF they don't back off, secure providing aide to the insurgency though told to back off, they'll get slapped around eventually. They'll have to be. We will have no choice if they don't back off...dman

*BBC provided information. Sorry, not good enough. The CIA and the whitehouse will be very careful about how they play their cards on iran. They haven't signed, no-kidding. They want a hammer to play with, the weapons are the hammer. Open dialouge? Do you really think that is going to be advantageous to us? They'll be promoting their agenda AS they talk out of the other side of their mouth, I'll gaurantee you that. NO ONE wants to tangle with the iranians, at some point though, if he doesn't stand down, we'll be forced to along with other countries in the region. I'm thinking the Iatolla will eventually force little hitler to stand down though. I'm thinking he understands the long term ramifications of becoming a nuclear state. And, in their scenario it's not good. I want nothing to do with these guys, however sometimes necessary actions are what they are, to be afraid to do what you must, is quite simply not an option.

*3K centrifuges is a fair amount. They need more though for an expeditious development of any weapons grade material. If that number is correct, it will be a bit before they are a real threat from the nuclear standpoint. Assuming 3K though, I'd be weary about that. Little hitler has proved himself quite innovative in the past.

Get "slapped around?" I love the John Wayne lingo. "Ya'd better watch yer step, Pilgrim." ;D You'd think, having gone to Yale and Harvard, that Bush would know something about Alcibiades and Syracuse and how it bled Athens until it fell easily to the Spartans. It's times like these that I wish we had a few parliamentarian aspects to our government. Right now we could vote "No Confidence" for Bush and his cronies, and throw them out. Instead, we have to wait two more years. The worst president in history could pull off a whole new raft of blunders in two years. His bull-headed stupidity and arrogance have certainly not diminished, and Cheney's still a raging, blinded cyclops.

[defenseman]

Sure I will what??? The issue is and always should be accountability. No difference between the private sector and public servants IMO!

Whatever you say...dman

[defenseman]

Get "slapped around?" I love the John Wayne lingo. "Ya'd better watch yer step, Pilgrim." ;D You'd think, having gone to Yale and Harvard, that Bush would know something about Alcibiades and Syracuse and how it bled Athens until it fell easily to the Spartans. It's times like these that I wish we had a few parliamentarian aspects to our government. Right now we could vote "No Confidence" for Bush and his cronies, and throw them out. Instead, we have to wait two more years. The worst president in history could pull off a whole new raft of blunders in two years. His bull-headed stupidity and arrogance have certainly not diminished, and Cheney's still a raging, blinded cyclops.

With respect to iran, it really doesn't matter who is the president. If they continue, status quo, supporting the insurgency, they need and most likely will be smacked around a bit. Simple as that. As far as nuclear proliferation, they will NEVER be allowed a weapon. Never. Don't be surprised when necessary action is taken to shut them down if they do attempt to put one on the street. Folks may not like it, but sometimes you have to do what is necessary despite it being an unpopular action..dman

*Iran gets nukes, ALL bets are off, and I do mean all. Then again, israel will probably force us to jump into the fray if that happens. I'm guessing they won't sit around and wait to be smoked. At which point the ME's pot will be in a full "stirring" mode by then..

[Rohirrim]

With respect to iran, it really doesn't matter who is the president. If they continue, status quo, supporting the insurgency, they need and most likely will be smacked around a bit. Simple as that. As far as nuclear proliferation, they will NEVER be allowed a weapon. Never. Don't be surprised when necessary action is taken to shut them down if they do attempt to put one on the street. Folks may not like it, but sometimes you have to do what is necessary despite it being an unpopular action..dman

*Iran gets nukes, ALL bets are off, and I do mean all. Then again, israel will probably force us to jump into the fray if that happens. I'm guessing they won't sit around and wait to be smoked. At which point the ME's pot will be in a full "stirring" mode by then..

That's funny. The Soviet Union supported attacks on us for forty years, including Vietnam, and I don't remember attacking them. Then we countered in Afghanistan, winning that little war-by-proxy. Pakistan has nukes. Israel has nukes. North Korea has nukes. China and Russia have thousands of nukes. We used to know how to pull off nuanced attacks, intelligence counter-measures, arm twisting, etc. etc. etc. If Bush hadn't driven off all our allies, maybe we still could. Now, under Bush, we've become lumbering, club thumping morons with the foreign policy expertise of a troglodyte. Now, a little piss-water lunatic like Ahmadijihad has to sneeze and Bush starts running around like there's a biological attack happening. Here's Bush's foreign policy philosophy: I got a hammer and every foreign policy problem is a nail. Effin moron.

[defenseman]

That's funny. The Soviet Union supported attacks on us for forty years, including Vietnam, and I don't remember attacking them. Then we countered in Afghanistan, winning that little war-by-proxy. Pakistan has nukes. Israel has nukes. North Korea has nukes. China and Russia have thousands of nukes. We used to know how to pull off nuanced attacks, intelligence counter-measures, arm twisting, etc. etc. etc. If Bush hadn't driven off all our allies, maybe we still could. Now, under Bush, we've become lumbering, club thumping morons with the foreign policy expertise of a troglodyte. Now, a little piss-water lunatic like Ahmadijihad has to sneeze and Bush starts running around like there's a biological attack happening. Here's Bush's foreign policy philosophy: I got a hammer and every foreign policy problem is a nail. Effin moron.

Again resorting to the name calling, this does nothing to support your position, in fact it reduces your credibility and provides cannon fooder for those who oppose your point of view. Step above the fray and stay on topic, take the emotion out of it, and you will be better off...dman

[Spider]

It's amazing sometimes, disagree and get personally attacked. Well, if that's the best they can do, that's fine. No different than a grade school response, the playground "bully" if you will. Waste of time is what it really is..dman
that spider is just so mean .........

http://www.leather.com/images/skirts/sk609_main_leather_biker_skirt_(216).jpg

[defenseman]

That's funny. The Soviet Union supported attacks on us for forty years, including Vietnam, and I don't remember attacking them. Then we countered in Afghanistan, winning that little war-by-proxy. Pakistan has nukes. Israel has nukes. North Korea has nukes. China and Russia have thousands of nukes. We used to know how to pull off nuanced attacks, intelligence counter-measures, arm twisting, etc. etc. etc. If Bush hadn't driven off all our allies, maybe we still could. Now, under Bush, we've become lumbering, club thumping morons with the foreign policy expertise of a troglodyte. Now, a little piss-water lunatic like Ahmadijihad has to sneeze and Bush starts running around like there's a biological attack happening. Here's Bush's foreign policy philosophy: I got a hammer and every foreign policy problem is a nail. Effin moron.

Iran is different in many ways, and little hitler believes that armageadon is destined to come true. He has stated so undeniably. In addition, he has threatened the west and israel on numerous occassions. At what point do you finally take his threats seriously? I suggest, given his constant threats of annihilation on us and Israel, after twice stated, well that's enough for me personally, he's doing us the favor of advertising his intentions. I would plan for it if he gets the opportunity, trick is, don't give him the opportunity. Considering he wants to push up the schedule on armageadon apparently to enable his god to come back and rid the earth of the non-believers..dman

[Spider]

Again resorting to the name calling, this does nothing to support your position, in fact it reduces your credibility and provides cannon fooder for those who oppose your point of view. Step above the fray and stay on topic, take the emotion out of it, and you will be better off...dman

so now we cant even call that little Bastard a effing moron ?
are you sleeping with Bush ?

[Rohirrim]

That's funny. The Soviet Union supported attacks on us for forty years, including Vietnam, and I don't remember attacking them. Then we countered in Afghanistan, winning that little war-by-proxy. Pakistan has nukes. Israel has nukes. North Korea has nukes. China and Russia have thousands of nukes. We used to know how to pull off nuanced attacks, intelligence counter-measures, arm twisting, etc. etc. etc. If Bush hadn't driven off all our allies, maybe we still could. Now, under Bush, we've become lumbering, club thumping morons with the foreign policy expertise of a troglodyte. Now, a little piss-water lunatic like Ahmadijihad has to sneeze and Bush starts running around like there's a biological attack happening. Here's Bush's foreign policy philosophy: I got a hammer and every foreign policy problem is a nail. Effin moron.

Again resorting to the name calling, this does nothing to support your position, in fact it reduces your credibility and provides cannon fooder for those who oppose your point of view. Step above the fray and stay on topic, take the emotion out of it, and you will be better off...dman

That wasn't directed at you. It was directed at Bush. Sorry. :)

[Spider]

Iran is different in many ways, and little hitler believes that armageadon is destined to come true. He has stated so undeniably. In addition, he has threatened the west and israel on numerous occassions. At what point do you finally take his threats seriously? I suggest, given his constant threats of annihilation on us and Israel, after twice stated, well that's enough for me personally, he's doing us the favor of advertising his intentions. I would plan for it if he gets the opportunity, trick is, don't give him the opportunity. Considering he wants to push up the schedule on armageadon apparently to enable his god to come back and rid the earth of the non-believers..dman

Again with the little Hitler crap .......... Just went through that with Saddam .......

[defenseman]

that spider is just so mean .........

http://www.leather.com/images/skirts/sk609_main_leather_biker_skirt_(216).jpg

Nah, just a bit off-kilter occassionally. You've put together some reasonable arguments recently, more so than in the past..dman

[Spider]

Nah, just a bit off-kilter occassionally. You've put together some reasonable arguments recently, more so than in the past..dman

what you dont like the Bikers skirt ? ;D

[TailgateNut]

Whatever you say...dman

Do you not agree that accountability is a must, or do you think civil servants and military should not be scrutinized?

[Rohirrim]

Iran is different in many ways, and little hitler believes that armageadon is destined to come true. He has stated so undeniably. In addition, he has threatened the west and israel on numerous occassions. At what point do you finally take his threats seriously? I suggest, given his constant threats of annihilation on us and Israel, after twice stated, well that's enough for me personally, he's doing us the favor of advertising his intentions. I would plan for it if he gets the opportunity, trick is, don't give him the opportunity. Considering he wants to push up the schedule on armageadon apparently to enable his god to come back and rid the earth of the non-believers..dman

The latest reports have the cabal of ayatollahs, who really run Iran, starting to pull on the little rat's strings. They are not happy at all with his belligerent dialogue with the U.S. There are a great number of Iranians who are in opposition to Ahmadjihad and his bellicose, anti-West ravings, but then Bush makes another foreign policy blunder which erodes their position, and strengthens Ahmadjihad. If we had somebody with half a brain running this country, we could lever that little pissant into a position of weakness while strenghtening our own hand. That starts by redeploying out of Iraq.

[Spider]

has iran ever attacked another country ?

[Spider]

what we have to do is separate White House Hype / Spin / Misinformation , from reality , after all the white house aka little Bush ,got it so wrong on Iraq , I dont see any reason to trust Bush or what he says on anything ............ Dont need another military mistake ...........

[defenseman]

Do you not agree that accountability is a must, or do you think civil servants and military should not be scrutinized?

Scrutinized by whom and via what method? Presently, "selective scrutiny" abounds and is published via the media to meet what appears to me anyway as some sort of undisclosed end game, headed up by some politicians and the media. In any case, if it is done in a fair manner, and applies to ALL, then I have no problem with the "evaluation of merit" on any individuals performance given a reasonable set of metrics have been applied..dman

*Quite simply, all sides of the story, and all necessary data is not published to to be consumed by those doing the evaluating from where I sit. The evaluators of course, being the average american.

[defenseman]

The latest reports have the cabal of ayatollahs, who really run Iran, starting to pull on the little rat's strings. They are not happy at all with his belligerent dialogue with the U.S. There are a great number of Iranians who are in opposition to Ahmadjihad and his bellicose, anti-West ravings, but then Bush makes another foreign policy blunder which erodes their position, and strengthens Ahmadjihad. If we had somebody with half a brain running this country, we could lever that little pissant into a position of weakness while strenghtening our own hand. That starts by redeploying out of Iraq.


If so, and I have seen this information, I truly do hope they prevail in shutting him down. The last thing I want is to lock horns with Iran. However, if we are forced to do so by "their" own actions, not ours, we must have the intestinal fortitude to engage them. IF, a country is not willing to take action in it's best interest to avoid an unavoidable future catastrophe, then they are doomed to suffer the consequences. Simple as that...dman

[Dudeskey]

Your avitar says it all. Damn hippie.:peace:

Nah, my hygene is too good;D

[Dudeskey]

I believe you are incorrect on this subject. I'll say it again, IF the iranians STOP supporting the insurgency , et al, and crawl back across their border so to speak, nothing will happen.
there is no disagreement here regarding the shiites getting help from Iran... as I've said before, there needs to be better oversight on that easten border, if not seal it alltogether until this is under control.


*BBC provided information. Sorry, not good enough.
Maybe by a certain group of people its seen that way, but can you honestly say any US network would report this when they are so afraid to question the executive branch?


*3K centrifuges is a fair amount. They need more though for an expeditious development of any weapons grade material. If that number is correct, it will be a bit before they are a real threat from the nuclear standpoint.

If they are enriching uranium for weapons purposes, then the only threat they'd be to is Israel, who has nukes.

[defenseman]

there is no disagreement here regarding the shiites getting help from Iran... as I've said before, there needs to be better oversight on that easten border, if not seal it alltogether until this is under control.


Maybe by a certain group of people its seen that way, but can you honestly say any US network would report this when they are so afraid to question the executive branch?



If they are enriching uranium for weapons purposes, then the only threat they'd be to is Israel, who has nukes.


Appreciate the pallatable retort. Such is the substance of good discussion..dman

[Bronco Bob]

how many battle ship groups in the area

None. All the US battleships have been retired.

[Bronco Bob]

You should be more afraid of Hillary attacking Iran if she gets elected. She has said as much.

When and where did she say that?

[Bronco Bob]

has iran ever attacked another country ?

Somewhere around 300 BC they attacked Greece. The Greeks won.
Since then they've been laying low.

[JCMElway]

There is no way the congress will green light Bush to make any more attacks.

[defenseman]

None. All the US battleships have been retired.

Quite true..dman

[defenseman]

There is no way the congress will green light Bush to make any more attacks.

Depending on the nature of the attack, and the extremity, I'd have to disagree with you. IF they go out on that limb against us, we don't have an option, eventually a response would be in order...dman

[Hotrod]

Im not big on "rumors" but I do believe we have held back Israel already. Its going to come to blows but when/how are in question.

Also there will not be an invasion of Iran by the US it will be an all out air strikes and possible some special ops missions.

What really scares me is the Russina/China/Iran/Syria...and various S American/Cuban friendships.

[24champ]

Im not big on "rumors" but I do believe we have held back Israel already. Its going to come to blows but when/how are in question.

Also there will not be an invasion of Iran by the US it will be an all out air strikes and possible some special ops missions.

What really scares me is the Russina/China/Iran/Syria...and various S American/Cuban friendships.

Correctamundo...on the rumors those are true, they were going to attack in the summer when the Lebanon crap was going on. We held back Israel because the situation in Iraq was getting worse. The whole situation in the ME is a tinderbox right now and time is running out on Iran...

[freak6]

Hey, dude was only off by one freaking letter. Can't we give the man a break!

[Stuck In Texas]

has iran ever attacked another country ?

Technically they attacked the United States in 1979. An embassy in a foreign country is considered an extension of territory.

I know it's not what you mean, but you don't seriously think Iran is a "peaceful" country do you? They have supported international terrorism since they became an Islamic state. These guys enjoy nothing more than the mass murder of "infidels" (that's us).

I'm not saying an attack would be justified, but they are by no means an innocent, peaceful nation.

[Spider]

Technically they attacked the United States in 1979. An embassy in a foreign country is considered an extension of territory.

I know it's not what you mean, but you don't seriously think Iran is a "peaceful" country do you? They have supported international terrorism since they became an Islamic state. These guys enjoy nothing more than the mass murder of "infidels" (that's us).

I'm not saying an attack would be justified, but they are by no means an innocent, peaceful nation.

444 days , Americans Held hostage .........Perhaps an invasion is just ?
President Almond Joy has been Identified as one of the leaders of that ........
question is what are the Mullahs saying ?
I just dont want ot wake up tomorrow , finding us in another Iraq type of bullshít ......But if they do get Nukes .......... Idont think dating a gal with a 3 rd eye and glows in the dark is all it is cracked up to be

[freak6]

Let Israel do it.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Depending on the nature of the attack, and the extremity, I'd have to disagree with you. IF they go out on that limb against us, we don't have an option, eventually a response would be in order...dman

After what Bush pulled in Iraq there will be no "approval" of any attack on other nations by Bush now unless they attacked us or an ally (how many of them are left 2 or 3?). And then it would depend on how serious, etc... it was.

[Spider]

Let Israel do it.

then if Russia , China.......get peeved ?

[Stuck In Texas]

Idont think dating a gal with a 3 rd eye and glows in the dark is all it is cracked up to be

LOL

[Hotrod]

Let Israel do it.

Then were either risking being pulled into WW3 or we have to be willing to walk away from the ME and its precious oil for good.

Israel better not do some crazy **** or its gonna be our problem as well as theirs.

[baja]

444 days , Americans Held hostage .........Perhaps an invasion is just ?
President Almond Joy has been Identified as one of the leaders of that ........
question is what are the Mullahs saying ?
I just dont want ot wake up tomorrow , finding us in another Iraq type of bullshít ......But if they do get Nukes .......... <b>Idont think dating a gal with a 3 rd eye and glows in the dark is all it is cracked up to be</b>

Given that I have the patent on three lens sun glasses I can hardly wait.

[24champ]

Then were either risking being pulled into WW3 or we have to be willing to walk away from the ME and its precious oil for good.

Israel better not do some crazy **** or its gonna be our problem as well as theirs.

It would make a huge sh**storm in the ME. Besides if the numbers are right based on the facilities underground in Iran then the IAF wouldn't quite be able to do what we can in a couple days. The US is more than capable of taking out their facilities and comms in probably a day or two. Would be harder for the IAF based on their size. You need to hit all targets in one fell swoop.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

It would make a huge sh**storm in the ME. Besides if the numbers are right based on the facilities underground in Iran then the IAF wouldn't quite be able to do what we can in a couple days. The US is more than capable of taking out their facilities and comms in probably a day or two. Would be harder for the IAF based on their size. You need to hit all targets in one fell swoop.Is this the same intelligence used on Iraq? Of course, we know that at least 2 facilities are 80 ft or more under hard rock which means nuclear weapons would have to be used to try and get a those and we don't even know if that would work for sure or not.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Senators warn against war with Iran (http://tinyurl.com/36qkcd)
By ANNE GEARAN, AP Diplomatic Writer Wed Jan 31

WASHINGTON - Republican and Democratic senators warned Tuesday against a drift toward war with an emboldened Iran and suggested the Bush administration was missing a chance to engage its longtime adversary in potentially helpful talks over next-door Iraq.

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With Iran Ascendant, U.S. Is Seen at Fault
Arab Allies in Region Feeling Pressure (http://tinyurl.com/ypalvo)

By Anthony Shadid
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, January 30, 2007; Page A01

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates -- Kuwait rarely rebuffs its ally, the United States, partly out of gratitude for the 1991 Persian Gulf War. But in October it reneged on a pledge to send three military observers to an American-led naval exercise in the Gulf, according to U.S. officials and Kuwaiti analysts.

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Europe Resists U.S. Push to Curb Iran Ties (http://tinyurl.com/2p5bmf)
By STEVEN R. WEISMAN
Published: January 30, 2007

WASHINGTON, Jan. 29 — European governments are resisting Bush administration demands that they curtail support for exports to Iran and that they block transactions and freeze assets of some Iranian companies, officials on both sides say. The resistance threatens to open a new rift between Europe and the United States over Iran.

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[defenseman]

Im not big on "rumors" but I do believe we have held back Israel already. Its going to come to blows but when/how are in question.

Also there will not be an invasion of Iran by the US it will be an all out air strikes and possible some special ops missions.

What really scares me is the Russina/China/Iran/Syria...and various S American/Cuban friendships.

Spec war missions would be "very, very" risky. Could lose alot of well trained SEALS in such an endeavor. I'm guess it'll be from the air (military targets) and a naval blockade to stop anything from leaving or entering. Don't think it will go much farther than that...dman