Official Mock Draft discussion, analysis, ridicule, praise etc. thread

[SoCalBronco]

Post discussion, analysis, ridicule, praise etc. as the picks come down, here!

[SpringStein]

Originally posted by Slap

Can people please stop with the lame jokes and comments in this thread?

Yea, not sure why there are posts in the selection thread - other than SoCal's and Jens.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Yea, not sure why there are posts in the selection thread - other than SoCal's and Jens.

Exactly what I was thinking the whole reason we are splitting it is to keep it clean over there to make it easy to follow. I think all the post should be deleted.

[Jens1893]

Exactly what I was thinking the whole reason we are splitting it is to keep it clean over there to make it easy to follow. I think all the post should be deleted.

I 2nd that.

[ColoradoBuff]

I 2nd that.

Sorry Jens for joking over in the picks thread.....won't happen again.

PS. Don't fire me!:thumbsup:

[Jens1893]

Sorry Jens for joking over in the picks thread.....won't happen again.

PS. Don't fire me!:thumbsup:

You dont have to apologize to me.

[TheDave]

Alright what do you guys think....

JaMarcus Russell or Brady Quinn

Everyone knows the Raiders are in a perpetual rebuilding cycle, and QB is definately on the top of the list

[Rohirrim]

Alright what do you guys think....

JaMarcus Russell or Brady Quinn

Everyone knows the Raiders are in a perpetual rebuilding cycle, and QB is definately on the top of the list

I'm hoping they'll go with Brady Quinn, who I think has "bust" painted all over him. Russell is far more dangerous. If they picked up Russell with that first pick and Jarrett with their second pick, that would be a pain in the ass.

[SpringStein]

Alright what do you guys think....

JaMarcus Russell or Brady Quinn

Everyone knows the Raiders are in a perpetual rebuilding cycle, and QB is definately on the top of the list

Levi Brown - they need to start with rebuilding their line. ;)

I think it has to be (unfortunately) Russell. High upside - but at least it will be a couple of years before he can really hurt us, imo.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I am hoping they take Brady Meier. With that OL, he doesn't stand a chance.

[Requiem]

I just hope Slap takes Beason for the Broncos so SoCal can cry about another one of his Hurricane's being misplaced on the Broncos. :D

[-Slap-]

I just hope Slap takes Beason for the Broncos so SoCal can cry about another one of his Hurricane's being misplaced on the Broncos. :D

SoCal's been too good to me to taunt him like that.......:~ohyah!:

I love sitting @ 21. I know a sensational athlete, at a position of need, is going to fall right into my lap.

[Clockwork Orange]

The Pats are sitting pretty with picks #24 & #28, the former being a gift from Seattle for Deion Branch.

Perhaps one of those picks will be used to replace this guy.

[NFLBRONCO]

Raiders need to draft Crosby #1

[Mediator12]

Hey, that is a legitimate draft selection question. How did CLE get the third pick over TB? That difference is a late second round pick basically, so why can't that be on that thread? It certainly pertains to the selection order and process right?

[-Slap-]

Hey, that is a legitimate draft selection question. How did CLE get the third pick over TB? That difference is a late second round pick basically, so why can't that be on that thread? It certainly pertains to the selection order and process right?

It can certainly be dealt with here, too.

SoCal is gracious enough to take the time to coordinate this thing every year. I think the least we can do is accomodate his wishes and limit that thread to draft picks only.

[SoCalBronco]

Hey, that is a legitimate draft selection question. How did CLE get the third pick over TB? That difference is a late second round pick basically, so why can't that be on that thread? It certainly pertains to the selection order and process right?

I had copied the order from GBN. I understand that there will be a coin flip in real life to determine the spots for the two clubs. Last year, as Clockwork Orange noted we did our own coin flip and resolved the same dispute. I will do the same here to resolve it, if you or Bronco LB 52 have any preference for heads/tails please let me know. Otherwise, I will do the coin flip later this evening and I shall announce it on this thread and then if the order is changed (i.e. you win the coin flip), I'll make the adjustment on the Big Board in the picks thread.

[SoCalBronco]

I had copied the order from GBN. I understand that there will be a coin flip in real life to determine the spots for the two clubs. Last year, as Clockwork Orange noted we did our own coin flip and resolved the same dispute. I will do the same here to resolve it, if you or Bronco LB 52 have any preference for heads/tails please let me know. Otherwise, I will do the coin flip later this evening and I shall announce it on this thread and then if the order is changed (i.e. you win the coin flip), I'll make the adjustment on the Big Board in the picks thread.

Actually, I might as well just do the coin flip now as I'll be out for most of the day until around 7/8/9 PST tonight and ive got a quarter sitting on the desk anyway.

Bronco LB 52 (CLE) will be heads and Mediator12 (TB) will be tails.

Here is the flip: It is tails. TB will be picking ahead of CLE and I shall adjust the Big Board to reflect that.

[TheDave]

pick made...yeah i know it's early :)

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Good pick but I hope it doesn't happen for Russell's sake. He is a class guy who has progressed more in the last two years than I ever thought he would. As a freshman my opinion was "Ok here's another great athlete who is never going to get a real chance because he is playing out of position" As a Sophmore is was "Hold on, this kid could develop into a real QB". This year it was "This kid is a QB". He still has a long way to go, but in terms of strength and vision, he is amazing. He needs more learning than he will get from the Raiders. With the Raiders he has the potential to be good. with the right kind of coaching and patience, he has the chance to be great.

[TheDave]

Good pick but I hope it doesn't happen for Russell's sake. He is a class guy who has progressed more in the last two years than I ever thought he would. As a freshman my opinion was "Ok here's another great athlete who is never going to get a real chance because he is playing out of position" As a Sophmore is was "Hold on, this kid could develop into a real QB". This year it was "This kid is a QB". He still has a long way to go, but in terms of strength and vision, he is amazing. He needs more learning than he will get from the Raiders. With the Raiders he has the potential to be good. with the right kind of coaching and patience, he has the chance to be great.

To me he just seems like the type of athlete that Al Davis will fall in love with... The potential of this guy hiting Randy Moss 70 yards on a rope is just too much for them to pass up. Hopefully for our sake the raiders never figure out how to develope him... On the other hand, imagine this division with Cutler, Russell, and Rivers.


Poor Chef fans :spit:

[Drek]

Actually, I might as well just do the coin flip now as I'll be out for most of the day until around 7/8/9 PST tonight and ive got a quarter sitting on the desk anyway.

Bronco LB 52 (CLE) will be heads and Mediator12 (TB) will be tails.

Here is the flip: It is tails. TB will be picking ahead of CLE and I shall adjust the Big Board to reflect that.

Can a flip be used for 31 & 32 as well if the draft picks up ahead of steam and Ozomulsion and I are on the clock before then?

[SoCalBronco]

Can a flip be used for 31 & 32 as well if the draft picks up ahead of steam and Ozomulsion and I are on the clock before then?

If we get to that point, sure, but I highly doubt we will get to 30 picks in 6 days.

[Drek]

If we get to that point, sure, but I highly doubt we will get to 30 picks in 6 days.

I doubt it as well, but I recall days last year when we'd see over a half dozen picks come in. Not likely though, I'm betting a Super Bowl weekend boom will carry us through the first 20 picks though. :)

Oh, almost forgot, slide Calvin slide!

[Drek]

Gaines Adams at #2 is something of a surprise. Matt Millen passing on Calvin Johnson is a bigger one. ;D

[SpringStein]

Gaines Adams at #2 is something of a surprise. Matt Millen passing on Calvin Johnson is a bigger one. ;D

Yea I figured QB (Quinn) or OT (Thomas) with that pick. But not like Adams is some slouch.

[elsid13]

The first curve ball of the OMANE draft. Though isn't the HC a defense guy. I like Adams but I figure he woud be drafted around 6

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Adams is an excellent player but would be a surprise at #2. If he is really picked here is it an indication that DL will be overvalued in this draft and most of the good ones will be gone by 21?

[Rascal]

There is no way Adams will be the #2 pick. If Detroit wants him that bad they will trade down.

[Rohirrim]

The Lions really don't have to hide their intentions, having the number two pick. I feel about 99.9% certain they will take Thomas. They took him out to dinner in Mobile for a reason, and it had nothing to do with subterfuge.

[Clockwork Orange]

At least he didn't take Calvin Johnson. :)

[Mediator12]

I see that BLB52 is having the same success As I did shopping an early pick this year. Too much Socal Hoarding Draft Pick personality disorder (SHDPD) in this years GM group ;D

Thanks for the Calvin Johnson Slippage though guys. Millen is definitely going to be crucified if he takes Adams #2 instead of trading back and taking him or Anderson Later though. That guy has pictures of the Ford family for sure.

[SpringStein]

Yea, once BLB makes his pick, the Cards are ready for their pick. I know teams do trade up, but as a team that has struggled for decades, there are always a lot of holes to fill and I'm not willing to move up a couple of spots for a second rounder when I can get a good player to fill about 4 really needy positions.

[Mediator12]

Yea, once BLB makes his pick, the Cards are ready for their pick. I know teams do trade up, but as a team that has struggled for decades, there are always a lot of holes to fill and I'm not willing to move up a couple of spots for a second rounder when I can get a good player to fill about 4 really needy positions.

That's the deal, the guys at 7-10 are not going to sit and watch an elite player come off the board right in front of them when they have the chance to get a player that can contribute right away. 7-12 spots in this draft are tough sells as the talent level between top 5 and top 15 is poor value at those selections.

[-Slap-]

This thread is pointless.

[Mediator12]

Hey, Let's make it a penalty to post on the actual draft selection thread by say moving down three spots for posting a non draft selection for the first offense, five for the second, and Disqualification for a third. The lack of any teeth to dissuade copious posters makes it awfully enticing to not adhere to the rules.

Just my .02 cents.

[-Slap-]

I like it, but I would be fine with a DQ on the first offense.

[Mediator12]

I like it, but I would be fine with a DQ on the first offense.

Yeah, but I want to see the Mock meltdown as the Vikes lose value for his transgressions! An instant DQ and he would just be more apt to post on the thread after he is expelled ;D

[SoCalBronco]

Ratboy (SD) has informed me that he is dropping out of the Mock Draft, Traveler (currently KC) has elected to take the Chargers since he got stuck with the Chiefs last time, and BroncoMan13 (Oskie) has accepted the GM job for KC.

[SpringStein]

BLB - can I suggest that if you don't have an offer by early this evening, it probably isn't going to happen. It isn't mandatory to take the entire 24 hours. ;)

[ludo21]

interesting pick LB 52...

Thomas is the perrrrfect pick for the Cards here, do the right thing Springstein ;D

AP will be a good pro, but getting stuck in Cleveland is gonna suck for him if that happens

[SoCalBronco]

interesting pick LB 52...

Thomas is the perrrrfect pick for the Cards here, do the right thing Springstein ;D

AP will be a good pro, but getting stuck in Cleveland is gonna suck for him if that happens

I dunno, they have the makings of an outstanding offense. If you put AD Peterson in there with Winslow who deserved to go to the pro bowl this year and Edwards thats a real nice group of skill position guys at least on that side of the ball.

[ludo21]

I dunno, they have the makings of an outstanding offense. If you put AD Peterson in there with Winslow who deserved to go to the pro bowl this year and Edwards thats a real nice group of skill position guys at least on that side of the ball.



skill positions mean squat without an OL, ask the Cardinals :D


Plus they still have no QB to run that offense. Do you think they draft like a Palko or Palmer in the 2nd or 3rd round?

or they still think Frye is the future?

[Clockwork Orange]

skill positions mean squat without an OL, ask the Cardinals :D


Plus they still have no QB to run that offense. Do you think they draft like a Palko or Palmer in the 2nd or 3rd round?

or they still think Frye is the future?

They'll add LeCharles Bentley to their O-line (barring any more unfortunate setbacks), which will help.

[ludo21]

They'll add LeCharles Bentley to their O-line (barring any more unfortunate setbacks), which will help.



yeah that sucked that he went out first game. Hate to see that.

Browns D played hard last year and their O does have some pieces, I would be shocked to see them push for a WC spot.

[DBroncos4life]

I was hoping Peterson would fall, I had something in the works that could have made him a JET.

[ludo21]

you can still take the better back thats available.

Lynch. ;D

[Arkansas Bronco]

I never thought Quinn would drop to six I had to make a move before QB hungry teams like the Vikes or the Texans got up. Anyone want to throw me a 5th for Pepper Ha!

[SpringStein]

I never thought Quinn would drop to six I had to make a move before QB hungry teams like the Vikes or the Texans got up. Anyone want to throw me a 5th for Pepper Ha!

I thought it was a good selection. I'm not exceptionally high on Quinn, but there really isn't anyone who I think will be a great value pick later. (Now watch the next Tom Brady emerge from round 6!)

[SpringStein]

Did Mock freeze to death in Iowa??? At 2 selections per day, we should finish in June. ;)

[Arkansas Bronco]

Something must be wrong with Mock he should have been here by now.

Yea Stein it was also a need pick cause these guys need an upgrade over Pepper and Harrington.

[Kaylore]

Doesn't he have 24 hours to make the pick? Something tells me he's going to reach...

[Arkansas Bronco]

Doesn't he have 24 hours to make the pick? Something tells me he's going to reach...

Yea he has 24 but never realy thought Mock would be one to put it off unless he is pondering a deal.

[Rohirrim]

I think Mock is keeping with Viking tradition; He's going to blow about four picks before getting it together enough to get to the podium. ;D

[TheDave]

I think Mock is keeping with Viking tradition; He's going to blow about four picks before getting it together enough to get to the podium. ;D


Or go to the podium with a name that has already come off the board :spit:

[ludo21]

Or go to the podium with a name that has already come off the board :spit:

bwhahaha

and fromt he wrong school ROFL!

[Rohirrim]

Maybe he meant to say Jamaal Anderson? Anyway, it's nice to see somebody on the board who is so in tune with the personality of the FO they represent. ;D

[Traveler]

Maybe he meant to say Jamaal Anderson? Anyway, it's nice to see somebody on the board who is so in tune with the personality of the FO they represent. ;D

You guys are brutal!LOL But he does make it easy, huh?:~ohyah!:

[Arkansas Bronco]

Maybe he meant to say Jamaal Anderson? Anyway, it's nice to see somebody on the board who is so in tune with the personality of the FO they represent. ;D

It would appear that way but in his view this could be anyone from Alan Branch to Ted Ginn ???

[bpc]

Stupid choice. I know the Vikes have some issues with their DE's but they spent two first round picks at DE over the past three or four years. I highly doubt they do it against when they have potential studs sitting at WR and DB. They are so in need of talent for their passing game it is sick.

[SpringStein]

BPC - how are those 2 DE's doing? Keneche Udeze has been a disappointment, imo. Maybe because I had high hopes for him.

IMO positions of need for the Vikes were DE, QB, WR, and OL. Of those, w/o a trade down, I think Anderson was the best choice. This is a deep year at WR, and I think Mock can get a very good one in round 2.

[Arkansas Bronco]

BPC - how are those 2 DE's doing? Keneche Udeze has been a disappointment, imo. Maybe because I had high hopes for him.

IMO positions of need for the Vikes were DE, QB, WR, and OL. Of those, w/o a trade down, I think Anderson was the best choice. This is a deep year at WR, and I think Mock can get a very good one in round 2.

I have to agree. Neither James or Udeze have shown much. Anderson is still a bit raw very big and very fast.

[Broncoman13]

Mock..... Your an idiot! :)

But, you made up for it with a decent enough pick. Udeze hasn't been horrible and James... well James has been horrible. Good pick and it was a need position. Though, I think Adams would have been the more logical pick (if he were available) as Anderson is a guy that can stop the run and get after the passer, but he lacks that superstar ability that could make him a 15 sack guy. The Vikes don't need much help stopping the run though.

Just wondering, but if Mock is already losing track of who has been drafted less than 10 picks into this thing, what is he going to do in the 2nd round? Worse yet, the 7th round. We'll eat up a day just telling, "Already gone!"

[bpc]

Hindsight, James and Udeze have both underperformed so the pick is solid but I still think Anderson is sort of an unknown quantity to this point. He had a great season in the SEC. Tough to say.

The passing game for the Vikes is horrendous. I think THEY have to look for some weapons to open up the field for Chester Taylor. A guy like Ginn or Jarrett could do that for them.

Doesn't MN have like the best run defense in the NFL? I would imagine it would be hard to throw another pick there with the offensive side of the ball causing them so many problems.

Could go either way though.

[Bronco LB 59]

skill positions mean squat without an OL, ask the Cardinals :D

Joe Thomas might have been the wiser pick over the long-term, but the Browns need to win now. Romeo Crennel is probably going to get one more chance to turn it around and Adrian Peterson will have more of an immediate impact than Thomas in year one.

Browns need guards more than anything else up front. They already have plenty of cap room invested into tackles Kevin Schaffer (came over from Atlanta last offseason) and Rex Tucker. And off course, they have LeCharles Bentley coming back like Clockwork mentioned.

Browns had backs like Droughns, Mack and Byner over the last 25 years but they haven't had a franchise back since the days of Leroy Kelly and Jim Brown. I think it's the best move for a franchise that has lacked superstar talent since their reentry in 1999 and haven't had a Pro Bowler since Jamir Miller.

[Rohirrim]

Joe Thomas might have been the wiser pick over the long-term, but the Browns need to win now. Romeo Crennel is probably going to get one more chance to turn it around and Adrian Peterson will have more of an immediate impact than Thomas in year one.

Browns need guards more than anything else up front. They already have plenty of cap room invested into tackles Kevin Schaffer (came over from Atlanta last offseason) and Rex Tucker. And off course, they have LeCharles Bentley coming back like Clockwork mentioned.

Browns had backs like Droughns, Mack and Byner over the last 25 years but they haven't had a franchise back since the days of Leroy Kelly and Jim Brown. I think it's the best move for a franchise that has lacked superstar talent since their reentry in 1999 and haven't had a Pro Bowler since Jamir Miller.

I agree. I like the pick. You can't just look at needs like some accountant. This pick would bring tons of excitement to Cleveland. Of course, so would a new bus, but seriously folks.

[Broncoman13]

Joe Thomas might have been the wiser pick over the long-term, but the Browns need to win now. Romeo Crennel is probably going to get one more chance to turn it around and Adrian Peterson will have more of an immediate impact than Thomas in year one.

Browns need guards more than anything else up front. They already have plenty of cap room invested into tackles Kevin Schaffer (came over from Atlanta last offseason) and Rex Tucker. And off course, they have LeCharles Bentley coming back like Clockwork mentioned.

Browns had backs like Droughns, Mack and Byner over the last 25 years but they haven't had a franchise back since the days of Leroy Kelly and Jim Brown. I think it's the best move for a franchise that has lacked superstar talent since their reentry in 1999 and haven't had a Pro Bowler since Jamir Miller.

The pick was great, I just don't understand what took you so long to make the pick???

I have two players that are gonna fall right into my lap at #23 and the Chefs will draft the exact same way!!! I'd bet money on it!

[ludo21]

Joe Thomas might have been the wiser pick over the long-term, but the Browns need to win now. Romeo Crennel is probably going to get one more chance to turn it around and Adrian Peterson will have more of an immediate impact than Thomas in year one.

Browns need guards more than anything else up front. They already have plenty of cap room invested into tackles Kevin Schaffer (came over from Atlanta last offseason) and Rex Tucker. And off course, they have LeCharles Bentley coming back like Clockwork mentioned.

Browns had backs like Droughns, Mack and Byner over the last 25 years but they haven't had a franchise back since the days of Leroy Kelly and Jim Brown. I think it's the best move for a franchise that has lacked superstar talent since their reentry in 1999 and haven't had a Pro Bowler since Jamir Miller.

i dont blame you at all man:thumbsup:

AP could be a face of that franchise and if he can stay healthy he willl be very good pro for years.

And ur right about Romeo needing a good year. Coaches arent exactly given a grat chance before they are fired these days.

[Rohirrim]

I hate to bring this up, but if everybody insists on using a full 24 hours to make their pick, we won't finish this by next Christmas. ;D I really thought the first ten picks would go by in about one day. I mean, what's there to think about?

[Jens1893]

I hate to bring this up, but if everybody insists on using a full 24 hours to make their pick, we won't finish this by next Christmas. ;D I really thought the first ten picks would go by in about one day. I mean, what's there to think about?

I am waiting for trade offers and don´t want to give Herc a bad time to be on the clock. I will make my pick at 9am Mountain.

[Jens1893]

Reasons for Branch

a) Apart from AD, there was no other Offense player worthy of getting taken 8 overall.

b) Houston has tons of holes so screwing this pick up is almost impossible

c) Branch will help Mario Williams and give the Texans 3 young studs in their front seven (Branch, Williams, Ryans)

d) Houston ranked in the bottom half of every important statistical category and Branch should help their #22 ranked Pass D as well as their #24 ranked Rush D.

e) A stud DT like Branch is hard to find.

[Rohirrim]

Reasons for Branch

a) Apart from AD, there was no other Offense player worthy of getting taken 8 overall.

b) Houston has tons of holes so screwing this pick up is almost impossible

c) Branch will help Mario Williams and give the Texans 3 young studs in their front seven (Branch, Williams, Ryans)

d) Houston ranked in the bottom half of every important statistical category and Branch should help their #22 ranked Pass D as well as their #24 ranked Rush D.

e) A stud DT like Branch is hard to find.

That creates a pretty scary D line. In two or three years, they would dominate.

[Arkansas Bronco]

I hate to bring this up, but if everybody insists on using a full 24 hours to make their pick, we won't finish this by next Christmas. ;D I really thought the first ten picks would go by in about one day. I mean, what's there to think about?

Well its only for the first round then it drops to 12 so have no fear you will be kept on your toes soon enough.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Good pick. Like you said, Branch will make Mario look much better this year.

[elsid13]

Jens great pick. Even if AD was there I think Houston really needs to address it Defense. I think they lost 4 or 5 games last year when had the lead slip away from them in the 4th.

[Traveler]

BrecBronc-

I appaud you selection of Landry. Really upgrades the position and fills a huge need for the Falcons.

[Florida_Bronco]

Gaines Adams at #2 is something of a surprise. Matt Millen passing on Calvin Johnson is a bigger one. ;D

Unfortunately I had some things come up unexpectedly the day I made my pick, so I didn't have time to trade down. Also, DE was the biggest need I saw with the Lions.

[Breck Bronc]

BrecBronc-

I appaud you selection of Landry. Really upgrades the position and fills a huge need for the Falcons.Thanks. Atlanta really has a weak secondary and even their best player in the back 4, DeAngelo Hall, is highly overrated.

I had trouble deciding between Landry and Reggie Nelson of Florida.

[Traveler]

Thanks. Atlanta really has a weak secondary and even their best player in the back 4, DeAngelo Hall, is highly overrated.

I had trouble deciding between Landry and Reggie Nelson of Florida.

Quoted for truth! As much as I dislike TO, he exposed Hall for what he is.

[SpringStein]

Originally posted by Kaylor
With the 11th pick in the draft, The Jacksonville Jaguars select Levi Brown Penn St. - the real best OT in the draft

Not to disagree with the almighty Khan... :wiggle:

Maybe the best footwork of any OT in the draft, but def. not the best overall. Cards took him!

[ludo21]

MAn Okoye off the board early!

Nice pick Khan, Brown is going to be a very good OT, and that Jags OL needs that upgrade for sure

[Kaylore]

MAn Okoye off the board early!

Nice pick Khan, Brown is going to be a very good OT, and that Jags OL needs that upgrade for sure

Now that I've picked him I can explain myself. I really think Brown is the best Tackle in the draft. His game is complete and he doesn't have ACL questions coming in.

[SpringStein]

1. Oakland/TheDave...........................Jamarcus Russell, QB LSU
2. Detroit/Florida Bronco.....................Gaines Adams, DE Clemson
3. Tampa Bay/Mediator12...................Calvin Johnson, WR Georgia Tech
4. Cleveland/Bronco LB 52....................Adrian Peterson, RB Oklahoma
5. Arizona/SpringStein..........................Joe Thomas, OT Wisconsin
6. Miami**/Arkansas Bronco..................Brady Quinn, QB Notre Dame
7. Minnesota/watermock.......................Jamaal Anderson, DE Arkansas
8. Houston/Jens..................................Alan Branch, DT Michigan
9. Washington**/Hercules Rockefeller ....Amobi Okoye, DT Louisville
10. Atlanta/Breck Bronc........................LaRon Landry, S LSU
11. Jacksonville*/Kaylore....................Levi Brown, OT, Penn State

Bunch of good WR's that should come off the board in the next 12 picks or so.

[WABronco]

Another LT for Jacksonville? Barnes is pretty good.

[Killericon]

I just want everyone to know that while I think the Bills will be able to resign Clements, I am drafting under the assumption that they won't. Even if not, mind you, Leon Hall is an upgrade on the other side, or he'd be a great safety. As a GM, I would not be satisfied with Ko Simpson.

You may go ahead and mock my pick now, if you wish.

[Broncoman13]

With the 11th pick in the draft, The Jacksonville Jaguars select Levi Brown Penn St. - the real best OT in the draft.

Nice pick Khan. Levi Brown really opened some eyes in Mobile. In 3 years though, I still believe that Joe Staley will be the better OT. But, as far as starting from day 1, Levi is the guy.

[Rascal]

When was the last time four D-lineman were taken in the first 12 picks?

[ludo21]

When was the last time four D-lineman were taken in the first 12 picks?

if that happens this year we might as well trade down cause Carriker will be good as gone by our pick.

Here is an interesting thought tho, if we stay at 21, and say Lynch, Carriker and other DL are gone we wanted.

BUT!

Ginn and/or Jarret is available, do you take them?

[SpringStein]

if that happens this year we might as well trade down cause Carriker will be good as gone by our pick.

Here is an interesting thought tho, if we stay at 21, and say Lynch, Carriker and other DL are gone we wanted.

BUT!

Ginn and/or Jarret is available, do you take them?

Ginn, yes. He immediately ratches up our return game a notch - and I'm guessing we need that. Plus in a year or two he would be the perfect slot guy to go with Javon and Brandon Marshall.

[WABronco]

I just want everyone to know that while I think the Bills will be able to resign Clements, I am drafting under the assumption that they won't. Even if not, mind you, Leon Hall is an upgrade on the other side, or he'd be a great safety. As a GM, I would not be satisfied with Ko Simpson.

You may go ahead and mock my pick now, if you wish.

To me, drafting Hall to replace Clements makes sense. McGee is a very good player himself, one that doesn't need replacing.

Everything I've heard says Simpson played very well this year, so you've actually put together a solid, young secondary.

[Clockwork Orange]

if that happens this year we might as well trade down cause Carriker will be good as gone by our pick.

Here is an interesting thought tho, if we stay at 21, and say Lynch, Carriker and other DL are gone we wanted.

BUT!

Ginn and/or Jarret is available, do you take them?

Under those circumstances, you take Ginn. He's the BPA at that point and can fill multiple roles (deep threat, punt returner, kickoff returner).

I'd be glad to get him at #21, but I really don't think he'll be there after he shows off his speed at the combine.

[Bronco LB 59]

Under those circumstances, you take Ginn. He's the BPA at that point and can fill multiple roles (deep threat, punt returner, kickoff returner).

I'd be glad to get him at #21, but I really don't think he'll be there after he shows off his speed at the combine.

Whoever drafts Ginn is going to rationalize the selection by mentioning Devin Hester's immediate impact on the Chicago Bears in 06.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

MAn Okoye off the board early!


Kiper already has him at 9, he'll be Top 10 after the Combine.

[Killericon]

To me, drafting Hall to replace Clements makes sense. McGee is a very good player himself, one that doesn't need replacing.

Everything I've heard says Simpson played very well this year, so you've actually put together a solid, young secondary.

It was a really safe pick...I hate making those.

[Kaylore]

Another LT for Jacksonville? Barnes is pretty good.

No.

[SpringStein]

Big day yesterday - 3 picks! WooHoo!!

[Drek]

I just want everyone to know that while I think the Bills will be able to resign Clements, I am drafting under the assumption that they won't. Even if not, mind you, Leon Hall is an upgrade on the other side, or he'd be a great safety. As a GM, I would not be satisfied with Ko Simpson.

You may go ahead and mock my pick now, if you wish.

I don't know why someone would mock it. Like you said, Hall gives them a viable corner if Clements leaves (and leverage in negotiations with him) and would give them an upgrade at the second corner spot if he stays. Nelson doesn't offer the versatility, the best linemen are off the board, and there isn't a top 15 LB in the class. It was either Lynch, Hall, or Ginn at that point. I'd take Hall in that case as Ginn is a risky pick in the top 15 and the Bills will have McGahee at least next year playing for a contract. Drafting an RB later in this draft or early next year is their best solution to replacing him while looking for a steal in this deep WR class as well.

[SpringStein]

I just want everyone to know that while I think the Bills will be able to resign Clements, I am drafting under the assumption that they won't. Even if not, mind you, Leon Hall is an upgrade on the other side, or he'd be a great safety. As a GM, I would not be satisfied with Ko Simpson.

You may go ahead and mock my pick now, if you wish.

Misread the post.

[Jens1893]

Ladies and Gentlemen, the Wide Receiver floodgates have officially opened.

[DBroncos4life]

Ginn would be a good Ram, I think they could use more help on D but its a good fit with Bruce getting up there in age.

[bpc]

Before I get jumped on here...

I tried to trade with numerous parties and nobody wants to go up in this draft on the forum. ST.LOUIS NEEDS PICKS SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO TRADE UP IN THE 2nd PM ME!!!

I got stuck with thinking about drafting some DLinemen who I think aren't the BPA's at pick 13 with Ginn, Jarrett, Hughes, Revis, Nelson and Lynch on the board. I could argue taking Carriker but as much as I think he could work in Denver, I just don't think that he has put up the overwhelming stats that some of the other players have done and he wasn't even close to being the BPA.

IF I was St. Louis, knowing that Adams and Anderson will clearly be gone by this pick I would take a hard run at Justin Smith. He can play the LDE, over the RT. Plus he went to Mizzou so he could be ready to head back to the Show Me State.

With DE out of the way, it would leave me looking at WR, DT, LB, or DB. I think St. Louis has invested a lot of picks over the past two or three years at DB so it was tough even though I was severely tempted to take Nelson, Revis, or Hughes.

There are not enough dominant LB's with 1st round grades to pick them at #13.

SO there are questions in St. Louis at WR. Both Curtis (#3) and McDonald (#4) are free agents. I don't think Curtis will come back adn McDonald isn't all that great. Isaac Bruce has a few more seasons but he is starting to bounce back and forth between 1000yd seasons with age and injuries.

Enter Ted Ginn Jr. He will bring the element of speed back to St. Louis enabling them to really get their offense cranked into high gear. He won't be expected to step in and be the focal point right away on offense but he'll get to run out of the slot using his speed across the middle of the field. He'll also take a lot of attention off of Steven Jackson catching passes out of the backfield.

I think the offense really has a chance to be the NFC version of the Indianapolis Colts again and live up to the name "greatest show on turf".

By the way as the GM, I'm going retro and moving the colors back to the OLD SCHOOL BLUE AND YELLOW of the Kevin Greene days.

[DBroncos4life]

I thought it was a good pick. He fixes the return game right away. St. ranked 25th in kick returns and 25th in punt returns so it helps there.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I think Ginn fits very well in St. Louis

[DBroncos4life]

11 more till its my turn. :thumbsup:

[Killericon]

I wonder if Bruce hangs 'em up after this season...Even if not, it was a good pick.

[Drek]

Ginn is a real good fit for STL. Really impressive speed that will only play better on turf. He'd be tough as hell to catch up to during any home game.

[WABronco]

Love the last two picks...especially Ginn to St. Louis. With Holt (and Bruce) in town he should have room to run free in single coverage, and Bulger is a very, very good intermediate-to-deep passer.

And, I think the Jarrett-to-Carolina pick is quite fitting. Keyshawn gets replaced by the guy who, in Keyshawn's words, wasn't ready for the league (yeaaaa, right).

[WABronco]

11 more till its my turn. :thumbsup:

239 till it's my turn. (Seattle)

[Rohirrim]

Call it a gut instinct or whatever, but there's something about Jarrett that I just don't like. He'll make the beautiful catch on occasion, but he's just not always in the game 100%. His effort seems to come and go. I've watched a lot of SC's games and I've seen Jarrett make a lot of spectacular catches, but I can't say I've ever seen a complete game out him.

[watermock]

http://media.scout.com/media/image/26/265488.jpg

OK...it's on to plan C. Brohm will come back for his senior season....

[JCMElway]

Charles Johnson has announced his intentions to declare for the 2007 NFL Draft. After a meeting with head coach Mark Richt both parties agreed that it would be in Johnson’s best interest to declare for the NFL Draft this year. Johnson, a junior defensive end for the Georgia Bulldogs, had a huge game in the Chick-fil-A Bowl on Saturday. He added two sacks, three tackles-for-a-loss, one pass defended, and one forced fumble to his already impressive statistics.

Johnson was a highly recruited player out of high school but was often overshadowed by Quentin Moses once he joined the Georgia Bulldogs. Moses, a likely 1st round draft pick, has actually been outplayed by Charles Johnson this season. Johnson is a solid athlete, measuring in at 6 feet 2 inches and weighing 275 pounds. He has shown that he’s an effective defensive end and is a factor in both the pass and run game. The big question mark with Johnson is his height. Johnson is listed at 6 feet 2 inches but it’s definitely possible that he is shorter than that.

>>This is a Steeler type of player. Doesn't have all of the physical tools in the world, but is a smart and solid guy who has a great motor. He'll fit right in.

[ludo21]

Carriker doesnt fit the need u think for the Steelers?

I kinda hope Johnson lasts till 21 in the real draft, caz id love to see Denver get him.

[DBroncos4life]

Carriker doesnt fit the need u think for the Steelers?

I kinda hope Johnson lasts till 21 in the real draft, caz id love to see Denver get him.

Carriker to the JETS!!!!!! Hilarious!

[Drek]

Originally posted this in the wrong thread.

The most recent pick of Charles Johnson gives me pause unless the Steelers really are moving to a 4-3 front. Johnson has the potential to add another 10-15 pounds and be able to play a 3-4 DE, but it doesn't seem like the best home for him unless they do switch fronts. In that case he's a great pick who'll provide them with a valuable pass rusher in the short term who can potentially develop into a decade long strong side end if he adds a little weight without slowing down.

[elsid13]

Originally posted this in the wrong thread.

The most recent pick of Charles Johnson gives me pause unless the Steelers really are moving to a 4-3 front. Johnson has the potential to add another 10-15 pounds and be able to play a 3-4 DE, but it doesn't seem like the best home for him unless they do switch fronts. In that case he's a great pick who'll provide them with a valuable pass rusher in the short term who can potentially develop into a decade long strong side end if he adds a little weight without slowing down.

Supposedly Pitt is going to play a hybrid defense next - play 3-4 but mix in a lot of the Tampa Bay Cover 2. The new coach has stated that he prefer the TB Cover2, but they don't have the players for it right now.

[SpringStein]

Carriker doesnt fit the need u think for the Steelers?

I kinda hope Johnson lasts till 21 in the real draft, caz id love to see Denver get him.

Here, here! Now we're talking!

[bpc]

I can't wait to get Pittsburgh out of the three four... that would be like turning the Colts into a power rushing team.

Take away from your team's strength, I love it!

[-Slap-]

Where the heck is Requiem?

This frigging kid talks about the NFL draft 365 days a year. I figured he would make his selection in less than 15 minutes.......:)

[Clockwork Orange]

Especially considering that Marshawn Lynch is sitting right there.

[elsid13]

Where the heck is Requiem?

This frigging kid talks about the NFL draft 365 days a year. I figured he would make his selection in less than 15 minutes.......:)

Shooter's lock. He the guy that practice all year and when the gun sound freeze. ;D

[Requiem]

Sorry guys, I had a loooong night last night and slept in today. I did select Marshawn though, thanks for your patience. With two majors and a minor I'm working hard for and working 20+ hours a week, the Orange Mane and the draft isn't my #1 priority. I'll try and be more punctual from now on. Apologies.

[SoCalBronco]

I'm real happy to get a big talent like Dwayne Bowe for the 49ers. Arnaz Battle is decent but they dont really have anything at WR (You can't count on Bryant with all his problems). I was actually in the process of working out a trade with Traveler that would have involved moving down in the first round to the 30th pick and then getting either his 2nd rounder or his 4th rounder, depending on whether certain players were still on the board or not, but I couldn't pass up picking one of my prime targets who was still there.

[Requiem]

That's a great selection for the 49ers; and with the depth of this receiver class, you'll probably be able to pick up another guy too.

[Jens1893]

I was secretly hoping for Bowe to fall thru the cracks all the way down to the late first round. I´d have tried to trade up for him there.

[bpc]

I'm a little iffy on the Georgia guy but I could say that about a lot of the DE's in the draft... I just don't know how they project to the next level because the stats just haven't been there consistently. It was one of the scary propositions for me sitting at #13... STL is screaming for defensive linemen but I couldn't find a trade partner and none of the guys were even close to being the best player available.

The Lynch pick is good for the Pack. Ahman Green is getting old and more injured. They need a good running attack to take pressure off of Favre and the defense.

Bowe is a solid pick as well. Sidney Rice is a guy that gets a ton of pub but when you watch him you see a guy that doesn't have top end speed, the best route runner or receiver... I can't really knock taking Bowe over him.

[ludo21]

great pick Socal!

Bowe could be the of the best of the top tier WR's imo.

[Killericon]

A trade has been made via PM.

The Chicago Bears are sending their 1st round pick and their 4th round pick to the Buffalo Bills for their 2nd round pick and their 3rd round pick.
I only lost 40 points in the deal(If Chicago loses...I lose 51 if they win), and I'm confident one of my targets will be there, no matter who wins the big game...but it'd be a big help if the Bears lost(That does not mean I'm cheering for Peyton Manning).

[Drek]

I'm real happy to get a big talent like Dwayne Bowe for the 49ers. Arnaz Battle is decent but they dont really have anything at WR (You can't count on Bryant with all his problems). I was actually in the process of working out a trade with Traveler that would have involved moving down in the first round to the 30th pick and then getting either his 2nd rounder or his 4th rounder, depending on whether certain players were still on the board or not, but I couldn't pass up picking one of my prime targets who was still there.

Somehow knew that'd be SF's pick. Really prompted me to trade down because taking the 4th or maybe even 5th WR with my first rounder doesn't strike me as good value, especially when the remaining guys are speed threats and we don't have combine 40's to give exact measurements of true speed.

Good pick SoCal, Bowe and Vernon Davis should make Alex Smith look like a red zone savant.

Lynch does seem like too perfect a fit for Green Bay to pass up, this draft fell in place perfectly for them, we'll see if the real one does.

[bpc]

I hope this draft happens and I would love to see Reggie Nelson just sitting there for us at #21. The guy is going to be a stud.

[Rascal]

I hope this draft happens and I would love to see Reggie Nelson just sitting there for us at #21. The guy is going to be a stud.

Slappy is going ot have a hard decision if he is.

[SoCalBronco]

I hope this draft happens and I would love to see Reggie Nelson just sitting there for us at #21. The guy is going to be a stud.

Just watch...on draft day, Nelson will fall to us.......and we'll take a corner at 21 instead. :)

[Drek]

Just watch...on draft day, Nelson will fall to us.......and we'll take a corner at 21 instead. :)

No, we'll take Ugoh. There aren't any "was a good athlete in college but just suffered a major injury to go along with my lack of football IQ" so Shanahan will settle on a total project OL with questions about his attitude.

[bpc]

Just watch...on draft day, Nelson will fall to us.......and we'll take a corner at 21 instead. :)

You won't want to be anywhere near me if that happens!!!

I haven't seen much of Revis from Pitt but in our draft (pretty accurate so far I would say) if he falls there might be a discussion there.

SOCAL, what do you think of him?

I'm worried about him and Hughes lacking gamebreaking speed. Revis is a press type corner with a lot of physicality if I do recall though and Bates likes that.

I still think we are hurting because Champ shuts down one side of field but we are giving up too many pass plays on the other end. Nelson can help minimize those and work as a center fielder for us. Easily the best prospect in terms of speed and ballskills at safety since Ed came out.

[bpc]

No, we'll take Ugoh. There aren't any "was a good athlete in college but just suffered a major injury to go along with my lack of football IQ" so Shanahan will settle on a total project OL with questions about his attitude.

We need to start making nasty disposition's a prerequisite for our offensive line. I'm tired of having this happy go lucky look about our guys. When the lights come on and it gets cold, I want some guys that will be eager to take the fight to the opposing team.

Levi Brown had that swagger about him at the senior bowl... nothing to hide, trusts his skills and he kicked a whole lot'a a$$ from what I saw.

If we draft Ugoh any higher than pick 3b I will flip. The guy is going to be too much like George Foster attitude-wise.

[Broncoman13]

SoCal took the Chiefs pick! Bastard, now I'm gonna have to blow it for real. Bowe is the best blocking WR in this draft as well. That will do a lot for Frank Gore (not that he needs any help) in addition to just helping Alex Smith.

[SoCalBronco]

You won't want to be anywhere near me if that happens!!!

I haven't seen much of Revis from Pitt but in our draft (pretty accurate so far I would say) if he falls there might be a discussion there.

SOCAL, what do you think of him?

I'm worried about him and Hughes lacking gamebreaking speed. Revis is a press type corner with a lot of physicality if I do recall though and Bates likes that.

I still think we are hurting because Champ shuts down one side of field but we are giving up too many pass plays on the other end. Nelson can help minimize those and work as a center fielder for us. Easily the best prospect in terms of speed and ballskills at safety since Ed came out.

I like Revis, I saw a few Pittsburgh games this year and for the most part I liked what I saw from him in terms of cover skills, especially in man coverage and he has a good build. He had that great punt return against the Mountaineers too so thats another element of his game that can be attractive to teams.

[SpringStein]

I'm no SoCal, but to me Revis is the best CB in this class. The board might go crazy, but I'd be OK if we took him at 21. The ONLY CB I'd be happy about early.

[Rohirrim]

Damn! I was holding out hope that Bowe or Lynch would fall to the Giants. This mock is shaping up as a pretty good representation of what will probably happen.

[Killericon]

Damn! I was holding out hope that Bowe or Lynch would fall to the Giants. This mock is shaping up as a pretty good representation of what will probably happen.

No faith in Brandon Jacobs?

http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2006-08/25160210.jpg

[Drek]

No faith in Brandon Jacobs?

Wish we had Brandon Jacobs.

[-Slap-]

Wish we had Brandon Jacobs.

We took Mo instead.

[-Slap-]

I hope this draft happens and I would love to see Reggie Nelson just sitting there for us at #21. The guy is going to be a stud.

If Nelson's on the board at this point in April, its almost certain he'll make it to the Broncos. The Bengals, Titans and Giants all have much bigger concerns than safety.

[eddie mac]

If Nelson's on the board at this point in April, its almost certain he'll make it to the Broncos. The Bengals, Titans and Giants all have much bigger concerns than safety.

Far too early to tell IMO considering at least one of those teams has $40m in cap room and always spends it and another has $30m. So more than likely they'll be able to take BPA after they've already addressed their needs via FA.

[Broncoman13]

I wish these guys would hurry up and pick... I'm about to get the steal of the draft!!! I can almost guarantee that the guy I get at #23 will be a top 15 pick in April. When he tests he will blow people away and he will rocket up the draft boards. He'll be the #3 guy at his position that goes off the board, maybe even #2. He's the real deal and has the fastest first step in football as evidence see his 40+" vert. Super 40 time. 6'3" give or take. The Chefs are gonna get a steal at 23!!!

[SoCalBronco]

I wish these guys would hurry up and pick... I'm about to get the steal of the draft!!! I can almost guarantee that the guy I get at #23 will be a top 15 pick in April. When he tests he will blow people away and he will rocket up the draft boards. He'll be the #3 guy at his position that goes off the board, maybe even #2. He's the real deal and has the fastest first step in football as evidence see his 40+" vert. Super 40 time. 6'3" give or take. The Chefs are gonna get a steal at 23!!!

You never know what can happen in the mock draft, your guy might be stolen away from you at the last second. :)

[Broncoman13]

Won't happen... not right now... not enough people know about him. Trust me SoCal, after the combine he's going to fly up the draft boards! I'll send you a PM.

[bpc]

send me a PM... i'm just interested to know who this guy is and get some eyes on him.

[DBroncos4life]

I was hoping he would slide to my first pick in the second round SoCal but I guess not.

[ludo21]

B Man!!

quit the secrecy!! im dying to know!! ;D

[Drek]

We took Mo instead.

You don't know how many times I've pointed that very fact out on this board.

240 pounder who ran a mid 4.5 40 at the combine. Runs hard, runs down hill. I was praying he'd be our RB steal with the comp pick. No, instead its Mo the ass clown and Jacobs goes to the Giants where he's about to embark on one hell of a career.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

No, we'll take Ugoh. There aren't any "was a good athlete in college but just suffered a major injury to go along with my lack of football IQ" so Shanahan will settle on a total project OL with questions about his attitude.

I just want to know how many people on this board who bitch about the Foster and Middlebrooks picks want Shanahan to take Michael Bush this year?

[Drek]

I just want to know how many people on this board who b**** about the Foster and Middlebrooks picks want Shanahan to take Michael Bush this year?

More than a few, and early on I was one of them. But when a guy says (paraphrasing here) "worst case scenario I'm not ready to run at the combine and I'm a 3rd round pick." red flags start popping up all over the place for me. Never particularly fast, never particularly powerful back. He's a little above average at both with hands and pass pro skills to match. He's simply put, a little better at everything than your average back in this class, but is also coming off a broken wheel. Second rounder? No thanks. Third? I'm interested.

I'd take Brian Leonard over him, and as a RB. He rates slightly higher than Darius Walker for me, similar skill sets but Walker's size issue isn't going away while Bush might come back healthy.

[NFLBRONCO]

More than a few, and early on I was one of them. But when a guy says (paraphrasing here) "worst case scenario I'm not ready to run at the combine and I'm a 3rd round pick." red flags start popping up all over the place for me. Never particularly fast, never particularly powerful back. He's a little above average at both with hands and pass pro skills to match. He's simply put, a little better at everything than your average back in this class, but is also coming off a broken wheel. Second rounder? No thanks. Third? I'm interested.

I'd take Brian Leonard over him, and as a RB. He rates slightly higher than Darius Walker for me, similar skill sets but Walker's size issue isn't going away while Bush might come back healthy.


I was open for a RB early until I found out 08 RB corp will be alot better I lost interest this year.

[Rohirrim]

No faith in Brandon Jacobs?

http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2006-08/25160210.jpg

Not at all. I love the two back offense. Imagine setting up your D against those two in a power I? Or, you run Lynch at them for a couple of quarters and then let Jacobs pound them into the dirt in the third and fourth quarters. IMO, the core of good offense is a dominating running attack, which is what Lynch and Jacobs would give the Giants. Everything else on a team, including defense, feeds off of that. Hear that, Mike?

[ludo21]

Nelson gone, Carriker gone, nice picks

[eddie mac]

Nelson gone, Carriker gone, nice picks

Thanks Ludo. I was spoilt for choice because either of those players was going to fall to me at 19. I'd have preferred Nelson but Carriker immediately upgrades a Titan's defensive line which was soft against the run last year and has major issues concerning Haynesworth.

[Rohirrim]

IMO, Meachem has the talent of TO and the character of Rod Smith. His most dangerous attribute will be YAC. Amani Toomer is coming back from an ACL. He's on the downside and can still be a force, but he can't carry a full load. Burress? Let's say he has his own unique issues. The rest of their WR roster is just that: The rest. In the final analysis, what the Giants need is to provide assistance to their number one investment: Eli Manning. Meachem is the kind of guy who will stay after practice, running routes, catching passes and becoming the go to guy for Manning. He would be Eli's Marvin Harrison.

Personally, I believe that Meachem is going to be a star in the NFL.

[Drek]

Rohirrim, you just made me feel like a smart man. I was a little torn about trading up hoping Meacham or Rice would slide to #44. I did the deal because I didn't believe it could really happen, and your pick is the biggest step to proving me right.

I like Meacham much more than Rice but I just had a hard time getting behind either pick for the Bears who're looking to contend annually when Berrian, Bradley, and Muhammed all offer the same skill sets. We wanted Bowe but he didn't slide like we were hoping.

[Broncoman13]

IMO, Meachem has the talent of TO and the character of Rod Smith. His most dangerous attribute will be YAC. Amani Toomer is coming back from an ACL. He's on the downside and can still be a force, but he can't carry a full load. Burress? Let's say he has his own unique issues. The rest of their WR roster is just that: The rest. In the final analysis, what the Giants need is to provide assistance to their number one investment: Eli Manning. Meachem is the kind of guy who will stay after practice, running routes, catching passes and becoming the go to guy for Manning. He would be Eli's Marvin Harrison.

Personally, I believe that Meachem is going to be a star in the NFL.


Name Dropper! Why do I feel like I'm in a rookie Fantasy Football Draft??? Rascal, where are you? Please tell the name droppers to STFU!!!

[Broncoman13]

Okay, I jumped the gun on Roh... my bad. Turns out that he drafted Meachem so its fair to drop names! Here's the funny thing though. He got the steal of the draft and doesn't even realize it. When Meachem runs his draft stock is going to sky rocket. Dude was 6'2 and 201 lbs coming out of HS. He ran in the 4.25 range. Right now he plans to run in the low 4.3's. A 6'3" (now) 215 WR that runs that fast, with good production at a top SEC school, is a top 10 pick. The only WR that will go in front of him is Calvin Johnson and depending on Meachem's situation in the pro's, he may just be the best WR from this draft. Great pick Roh, even though you probably don't know a whole lot about him.

As for Tennessee taking Carriker... another great pick. Can't see him lasting much longer than that come April.

The Bears taking Nelson was also a great pick. Although comparing a 180# Bernard Berrian to a 215# Meachem doesn't make much sense... Their skill sets are completely different. Meachem is a guy that will take that 5 yard pass, break a tackle or two, and go 50 yards for a score. Berrian is simply a vertical route type of guy.

I think the Nelson pick was the right direction to go though. My only concern with Nelson is size... which leads to a few other concerns like durability. A 180# safety that likes to mix it up is just as likely to end up where Mike Green is! Still, the talent is certainly there and he has the ability to be a great ballhawking safety. Not sure that's what the Bears need, but he's a player for sure.

[Rohirrim]

Okay, I jumped the gun on Roh... my bad. Turns out that he drafted Meachem so its fair to drop names! Here's the funny thing though. He got the steal of the draft and doesn't even realize it. When Meachem runs his draft stock is going to sky rocket. Dude was 6'2 and 201 lbs coming out of HS. He ran in the 4.25 range. Right now he plans to run in the low 4.3's. A 6'3" (now) 215 WR that runs that fast, with good production at a top SEC school, is a top 10 pick. The only WR that will go in front of him is Calvin Johnson and depending on Meachem's situation in the pro's, he may just be the best WR from this draft. Great pick Roh, even though you probably don't know a whole lot about him.

As for Tennessee taking Carriker... another great pick. Can't see him lasting much longer than that come April.

The Bears taking Nelson was also a great pick. Although comparing a 180# Bernard Berrian to a 215# Meachem doesn't make much sense... Their skill sets are completely different. Meachem is a guy that will take that 5 yard pass, break a tackle or two, and go 50 yards for a score. Berrian is simply a vertical route type of guy.

I think the Nelson pick was the right direction to go though. My only concern with Nelson is size... which leads to a few other concerns like durability. A 180# safety that likes to mix it up is just as likely to end up where Mike Green is! Still, the talent is certainly there and he has the ability to be a great ballhawking safety. Not sure that's what the Bears need, but he's a player for sure.

Actually, I've been doing all I can to keep my mouth shut about the guy for the last month. It's been tough watching each pick go by. I really thought the Titans would take him, Tennessee connection and all that. IMO, it's a tossup who's the better WR, Meachem or Calvin. I believe Meachem will be the more polished receiver and hit the NFL field earlier (depending on which team drafts him). I also realize this is just a dream pick. After the combines, Meachem doesn't drop past pick 10. Like I said, he's TO with good character.

I don't know if anyone caught that goofy little college all stars obstacle course on ESPN yesterday. They had one drill where the receiver has to pivot in a circle and catch balls launched from six jugs machines, one ball per second. Not only did Meachem catch every ball, he was shouting at the guys operating the machines to fire the balls faster. :wiggle:

[Clockwork Orange]

Damn, I was hoping Willis would fall to me at #24. :)

[Rohirrim]

Damn, I was hoping Willis would fall to me at #24. :)

With Slap picking at 21? Surely you jest. ;D

[Clockwork Orange]

With Slap picking at 21? Surely you jest. ;D

Not at all.....and don't call me shirley. ;D

I thought he might go for help on one of the lines with Javis Moss or maybe Justin Blalock.

[Drek]

The Bears taking Nelson was also a great pick. Although comparing a 180# Bernard Berrian to a 215# Meachem doesn't make much sense... Their skill sets are completely different. Meachem is a guy that will take that 5 yard pass, break a tackle or two, and go 50 yards for a score. Berrian is simply a vertical route type of guy.

I think the Nelson pick was the right direction to go though. My only concern with Nelson is size... which leads to a few other concerns like durability. A 180# safety that likes to mix it up is just as likely to end up where Mike Green is! Still, the talent is certainly there and he has the ability to be a great ballhawking safety. Not sure that's what the Bears need, but he's a player for sure.
My worry with Meachem was that I'd have had to pick him before seeing his 40 and measured in. He's got all the upside but isn't the sure red zone force that I wanted (hence targeting Bowe early). I also hear he could very well weigh in at more like 205-210, which would reduce my confidence in him as an over the middle threat. He was my second choice at #18, but Nelson was who I moved up after, a steal at that pick.

I don't think anyone really considers Meachem much of a sleeper though. Dude has been on Kiper's big board and Scouts Inc's top 32 since the day he declared. He could very easily become the #2 WR off the board if his workouts match the expectations.

On Nelson, most major sites (gatorzone, Yahoo! Sports, SI, and ESPN) list him at 6'1", 193. Kiper is predicting 5'11-6'0" and 198 pounds. He's got a lot less size concerns than most of the Bears' current secondary, which is kinda sad. Their #2 and #3 CBs are Vasher (5'10" in cleats) and Ricky Manning (5'8"), runty.

[SpringStein]

Let's just say that I'm glad Slap isn't in the Broncos war room come April! ;)

[elsid13]

Let's just say that I'm glad Slap isn't in the Broncos war room come April! ;)

Maybe is moving Gold back to safety and Williams over to WLB and Wilson to SLB.

[Paladin]

Will his hand be okay? That club he is wearing looks like a real bummer.......

[-Slap-]

Let's just say that I'm glad Slap isn't in the Broncos war room come April! ;)

Had I been in there a couple previous Aprils, the Broncos would be getting ready to kick off in a few minutes.

The last linebacker I liked this much was Urlacher. Willis doesn't have those kind of unbelievable physical gifts, but he's going to be a very good football player for the next ten years.

I have a couple linemen on my radar @ 28, but a couple other guys, too.

[-Slap-]

Damn, I was hoping Willis would fall to me at #24. :)

When Charles Johnson came off the board I was disappointed. I would have probably gone for Carriker or Nelson had they slipped just a few picks lower, too.

I was going to address the littlebackers at some point in this draft, just like the Broncos will do in April. I knew Willis would never be there for me @ 28, but there are some guys I like later in the draft, too. There are at least three teams from 22-27 who would have to be crazy to pass on Willis and the Pats are certainly one of them.

[ludo21]

im not sure if i like the Willis pick or not. He would definitely allow us to be bigger and get rid of Gold.

But DL would be nice there, but no top prospects fell, and taking Bush there is asinine.

[SoCalBronco]

Requiem has informed me that he has to decline further participation in the Mock draft, he had a close friend of his pass away recently and needs some time away. Hawk's Boys will be taking over for the Green Bay Packers.

[SpringStein]

When Charles Johnson came off the board I was disappointed. I would have probably gone for Carriker or Nelson had they slipped just a few picks lower, too.

I was going to address the littlebackers at some point in this draft, just like the Broncos will do in April. I knew Willis would never be there for me @ 28, but there are some guys I like later in the draft, too. There are at least three teams from 22-27 who would have to be crazy to pass on Willis and the Pats are certainly one of them.

Glad to know you like CJ. I'm hoping he doesn't have a huge combine.

I've made it clear that I'm not a fan of an early LB. I'd love the kid from Arkansas in the 5th or 6th though. He will be a special teams demon - and I would hope that a LB that we draft would add to that.

But it's a mock, no reason for anyone to get bent out of shape - will be interesting to see what you have to select from at #28.

[-Slap-]

I'm looking forward to people getting bent out of shape when we don't reach for D line in the first round on draft day. Reading the responses on this board those two days in April is always a blast.

[Broncoman13]

I'm looking forward to people getting bent out of shape when we don't reach for D line in the first round on draft day. Reading the responses on this board those two days in April is always a blast.

Tell me if my rep comment is close!

[ludo21]

Great pick with Revis, he is very good and with Law and Surtain over the hill, they need him bad

[Rohirrim]

Requiem has informed me that he has to decline further participation in the Mock draft, he had a close friend of his pass away recently and needs some time away. Hawk's Boys will be taking over for the Green Bay Packers.

Best wishes to Requiem. Hope all is well.

[-Slap-]

Tell me if my rep comment is close!

There are three players I like a lot @ 28 and he's one of them.

[Mediator12]

I'm looking forward to people getting bent out of shape when we don't reach for D line in the first round on draft day. Reading the responses on this board those two days in April is always a blast.

I think 21 sucks in this draft to be drafting DL as the front half of the draft is going to see all six top DL come out before them and 21 is too high for the next tier AGAIN. The good news is that there is real talent and depth in rounds 2 and 3 for the DL and some excellent value to be had as teams reach for guys like Abiamiri, Moses, and Woodley after the top guys come off. Willis would be good value at 21 with the board looking like it does in our mock, but will shanahan give up that selection for another LB when it is the least need on defense? Maybe, but I sincerely doubt it.

[SpringStein]

Great pick with Revis, he is very good and with Law and Surtain over the hill, they need him bad


I'd HATE that if it hapens on April 28th! In fact, I was looking to see if he dropped a couple of spots for the Cards to trade up, even though they have greater needs, IMO, he will be the elite CB from this year's draft.

[TheDave]

JMO... but the way this draft is unfolding i think the broncos would look closely at Michael Grifith or (gulp) one of the top corners left. Hopefully come april some of these corners will move up some teams draft boards pushing down some of the D-Line talent

[Broncoman13]

Still looking to trade Revis if anybody is interested. He was by far the best player available but the Chefs have tons of other needs and I'd rather address those needs. ANY TAKERS?

[Mediator12]

Posluszny is a great pick for NE. He is smart, can play multiple positions, and can flat out make plays in both the running and passing game. Nice work CO!

[Clockwork Orange]

Thanks. Poz is not too shabby for being my second choice. :thumbs:

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Posluszny is a great pick for NE. He is smart, can play multiple positions, and can flat out make plays in both the running and passing game. Nice work CO!

Took the words right out of my mouth (fingers?). A perfect NE type of guy.

[Mediator12]

This draft is going so much quicker than last years, thanks to everyone who is keeping up.

[bpc]

PSU LB for the Pats is going to be a nice fit. I think that is one of the reasons why they failed down the stretch. They just don't have the playmaking ability from their LB's anymore. They have a bunch of blue collar guys but the Willie McGinest's of the world are gone and now Bruschi and #50 are getting old.

Great pick.

I don't know if I like the Abiamiri pick as well as I would have liked Jarvis Moss there. Moss is going to have some great triangle numbers and from the championship game, he really showed some great closing speed. He seems like he could be a beast coming of the edge in a 3-4... much like Merriman.

[DBroncos4life]

PSU LB for the Pats is going to be a nice fit. I think that is one of the reasons why they failed down the stretch. They just don't have the playmaking ability from their LB's anymore. They have a bunch of blue collar guys but the Willie McGinest's of the world are gone and now Bruschi and #50 are getting old.

Great pick.

I don't know if I like the Abiamiri pick as well as I would have liked Jarvis Moss there. Moss is going to have some great triangle numbers and from the championship game, he really showed some great closing speed. He seems like he could be a beast coming of the edge in a 3-4... much like Merriman.

Quentin Moses/DE/Georgia: By most accounts, those we spoke with do not grade Moses as a first rounder.

I didn't read one good thing about him during any of the practices. Kiper has both of them in round two and pretty much everywhere else I've read has Abiamiri a late first rounder due to his upside.

Quentin Moses DL Georgia 6047 249 33 1/2 9 1/2

Wednesday Practice Notes: Let me repeat myself, a whole lot of flash without much substance. Moses has not excelled in any one area. Plays too high, has trouble fighting pressure from offensive lineman, and gives up his body to those blocking him. Only once did he finally put a good pass rush move during drills.

Abiamiri was better in the Senior Bowl

[Kaylore]

Quentin Moses/DE/Georgia: By most accounts, those we spoke with do not grade Moses as a first rounder.

I didn't read one good thing about him during any of the practices. Kiper has both of them in round two and pretty much everywhere else I've read has Abiamiri a late first rounder due to his upside.

Quentin Moses DL Georgia 6047 249 33 1/2 9 1/2

Wednesday Practice Notes: Let me repeat myself, a whole lot of flash without much substance. Moses has not excelled in any one area. Plays too high, has trouble fighting pressure from offensive lineman, and gives up his body to those blocking him. Only once did he finally put a good pass rush move during drills.

Abiamiri was better in the Senior Bowl

I agree. That's the first real reach I've seen here.

[Killericon]

Thanks. Poz is not too shabby for being my second choice. :thumbs:

I was hoping he'd slide...****.

[youcandoit1687]

pick is in, Lawrence Timmons, quite a steal IMO. He has a lot of potential, somewhat raw but i take that as a good thing in his case. Joe Vitt has done a good job with those LBs and will love this guy.

[SoCalBronco]

pick is in, Lawrence Timmons, quite a steal IMO. He has a lot of potential, somewhat raw but i take that as a good thing in his case. Joe Vitt has done a good job with those LBs and will love this guy.

Agreed, I like Timmons as an athlete alot!

[DBroncos4life]

pick is in, Lawrence Timmons, quite a steal IMO. He has a lot of potential, somewhat raw but i take that as a good thing in his case. Joe Vitt has done a good job with those LBs and will love this guy.

He's the guy I really wanted but he doesn't fit my team.

[DBroncos4life]

I agree. That's the first real reach I've seen here.

who me?

[bpc]

Quentin Moses/DE/Georgia: By most accounts, those we spoke with do not grade Moses as a first rounder.

I didn't read one good thing about him during any of the practices. Kiper has both of them in round two and pretty much everywhere else I've read has Abiamiri a late first rounder due to his upside.

Quentin Moses DL Georgia 6047 249 33 1/2 9 1/2

Wednesday Practice Notes: Let me repeat myself, a whole lot of flash without much substance. Moses has not excelled in any one area. Plays too high, has trouble fighting pressure from offensive lineman, and gives up his body to those blocking him. Only once did he finally put a good pass rush move during drills.

Abiamiri was better in the Senior Bowl

I was talking about Moss from the University of Florida. Not Moses or Abiamiri.

I thought Moses was very one dimensional at the senior bowl. He is a guy that doesn't have elite speed but is a edge rusher. His moves are subpar at this point in his career. He has a nice build but he is a potential guy.

Abiamiri is built like no other. HOWEVER i think his speed is merely average and he'll be a average to solid pro. I don't think he will be great.

Moss from UF looked better to me than both of them. Way more explosive and he has an amazing 2nd gear to close on QB's.

These are just my oppinions though. No pick will be right or wrong until 3 years from now.

[DBroncos4life]

I was talking about Moss from the University of Florida. Not Moses or Abiamiri.

I thought Moses was very one dimensional at the senior bowl. He is a guy that doesn't have elite speed but is a edge rusher. His moves are subpar at this point in his career. He has a nice build but he is a potential guy.

Abiamiri is built like no other. HOWEVER i think his speed is merely average and he'll be a average to solid pro. I don't think he will be great.

Moss from UF looked better to me than both of them. Way more explosive and he has an amazing 2nd gear to close on QB's.

These are just my oppinions though. No pick will be right or wrong until 3 years from now.

my bad still going by the times that draft pages have I think that he is fast enough for me. Now the combine would be the real gauge but I don't have that to look at. He is reported to run a 4.75 while Moss is 4.65. ABiamiri does have 20 pounds on him as well so I feel at this point in time he fits the OLB part much better. Not that any of this matters :)

[bpc]

I hope he lights the world on fire... especially if he lands on Denver's roster. :)

[Mediator12]

I was talking about Moss from the University of Florida. Not Moses or Abiamiri.

I thought Moses was very one dimensional at the senior bowl. He is a guy that doesn't have elite speed but is a edge rusher. His moves are subpar at this point in his career. He has a nice build but he is a potential guy.

Abiamiri is built like no other. HOWEVER i think his speed is merely average and he'll be a average to solid pro. I don't think he will be great.

Moss from UF looked better to me than both of them. Way more explosive and he has an amazing 2nd gear to close on QB's.

These are just my oppinions though. No pick will be right or wrong until 3 years from now.

Now, who was it who told you Moss was gonna be real good ;D :yayaya:

[bpc]

Med, did you ever post your report from Mobile? I was waiting and waiting for that.

Any link for me?

Thanks buddy!

[ludo21]

so um, how did Denver (Slap) move to the 28th pick?

[Clockwork Orange]

so um, how did Denver (Slap) move to the 28th pick?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=51925&page=2

****TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT****

New England trades picks #28 & #92 to Denver for picks #53, #70 & #85.

[-Slap-]

Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange
****TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT****

New England trades picks #28 & #92 to Denver for picks #53, #70 & #85.

Per Eddie Mac, these numbers aren't exact, due to comp picks.

All I know is I won't be making another pick for at least a week.

I know a lot of people would **** blue lights if the Broncos had two first rounders and didn't draft a defensive lineman this year. I can sympathize with this perspective, but I felt like I was taking the best available athlete with both of my selections. I just don't see the upside in passing on great football players when you have a chance to add them to your roster and these guys are both warriors.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2573/willispatrick102205dso7.jpg http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1772/265787yy5.jpg

[SoCalBronco]

Per Eddie Mac, these numbers aren't exact, due to comp picks.



I dont know if we will be able to get the comp picks in there (God knows I am certainly hoping we do, as SF should be getting 2 comp thirds which would leave me with FOUR thirds :wiggle: ) but we have to see whether the picks are announced before our draft finishes 3 full rounds. I dont know the exact date when those picks are announced i think its in March or even early April, I hope they announce them relatively soon so that we can incorporate them.

[Clockwork Orange]

Per Eddie Mac, these numbers aren't exact, due to comp picks.

All I know is I won't be making another pick for at least a week.

I know a lot of people would **** blue lights if the Broncos had two first rounders and didn't draft a defensive lineman this year. I can sympathize with this perspective, but I felt like I was taking the best available athlete with both of my selections. I just don't see the upside in passing on great football players when you have a chance to add them to your roster and these guys are both warriors.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/2573/willispatrick102205dso7.jpg http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1772/265787yy5.jpg

For the record, I love both of these picks. I'd rather see them go for these two than reach too early for a player at a perceived need position. There's also the distinct possiblity that D-line is addressed through free agency, in which case these picks would be unquestionable.

At least you're not catching as much crap as I did a year ago for moving up to take Haloti Ngata. ;D

[eddie mac]

Comp picks wont be announced until about 1 month prior to the draft. We'll be finished well before that.

BTW folks check the draft trade thread. Those numbers aren't right for that trade it's pick 56 not 53, we select lower in the 2nd rd than the teams with the same record as us who we drafted before in the 1st rd, we flip picks in the 2nd.

[Jens1893]

I dont know if we will be able to get the comp picks in there (God knows I am certainly hoping we do, as SF should be getting 2 comp thirds which would leave me with FOUR thirds :wiggle: ) but we have to see whether the picks are announced before our draft finishes 3 full rounds. I dont know the exact date when those picks are announced i think its in March or even early April, I hope they announce them relatively soon so that we can incorporate them.

We didn´t incorporate them last year, so I think we shouldn´t incorporate them this year, either.

[Broncoman13]

Slap, the picks were great! While Patrick Willis wasn't a need he was one of the better available players at 21. Michael Griffin at 28 is flat out awesome! Dude can really play some football and it is a need position. At the very least, both of these guys will make a huge impact on our Special Teams. I wouldn't be upset to draft a safety, corner, and a LB on draft day. So long as they realize our needs on ST's.

Youcandoit Wrote:

With the 27th pick in the 2007 Orangemane NFL Mock Draft, youcandoit1687's New Orleans Saints select Lawrence Timmons, Linebacker, Florida State University.

He fell much further than I would have ever expected he would so he is a great steal at pick #27. He has great size and likely can move around playing any LB position. He is great in the backfield with 18 tackles for loss and 5 sacks this year. He has a slow timed speed from what I have seen but his game speed has been great and he will likely improve it all for combines. Big steal, Lawrence Timmons.

Great size for what? A Safety maybe. Don't get me wrong, at 27 he is good value, but saying that a 220# (Ian Gold is 225) LB has great size is a stretch. True, he is close to 6'3" and can add weight, but until he proves otherwise he is a 220# LB that makes the majority of his plays behind the LOS. Not a bad thing, but his coverage ability is relatively unknown b/c he wasn't asked to cover much in college. Med has heard that he's already added 10lbs since the end of the season so we will see. If he weighs in at/around 235-240 then you made a very good pick. If he's at 220-225 or so then he's nothing more than a littlebacker.

We're all in the same boat though. With exception of the guys in some of the post season bowl games, there are no accurate sizes for these draft picks. After the combine a lot will change. They say 40 times aren't everything. But, if Darrelle Revis runs a 4.6 40 does he still go in the first round... probably not. If Darrelle Revis runs a 4.3 40 does he last until pick #23... again, probably not.

Same for your boy. If Timmons weighs in at 220 lbs and runs a 4.6 then he likely will be a late 2nd rounder. If he weighs in at 235 and runs a 4.6 then he won't make it to #27.

[Mediator12]

Med, did you ever post your report from Mobile? I was waiting and waiting for that.

Any link for me?

Thanks buddy!

No.

I am going to post a daily thing about Mobile starting next week. I will try and do a position a day with comments about each day as a seperate part.

I really want to get to this project, but life in INDY has gotten into the way. I am working on building a new home and this all came about pretty quick. My wife works for a local homebuilder and they had some incentives for employees to buy in Jan that were too good to be true. We have been waiting for three years for a neighborhood we liked to open up and they gave employees a first shot if you signed up before FEB. Well, I get back from Mobile and we had to sign the paperwork and work with realtor and mortgage lender all last week and somebody decided it would be a good thing to start the draft early too ;D

I still feel bad about the Vince Young wonderlic fiasco from the combine last year. I hardly got a chance to see any of the defensive players work. So , rest assured the Mobile report will be very detailed.

**Caveat** I will not comment completely on the players though until after my OM draft targets are cleared, but I will give you a run down of counter rundown's from reports I have read since I have got back.

There is nothing like seeing players responding or not to coaching. All the triangle numbers in the world mean nothing if they can not do it on the field. Plus, you get to see the little things like technique and concentration better in person than on highlight films. Consistency and mental process are the two most missed things on the internet draft boards and most people do not take into account in the whole draft process of evaluation. Hearing these guys respond in open interviews is a huge plus too.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Good luck on the house Med.

We are all very interested in your reports. I am sure some of the intangible things you see are the big reasons for players to move up and down.

[Rohirrim]

I was beginning to wonder if Rice would fall out of the first round. He may not be a top two WR, but he's definitely a first rounder. I would have preferred the Chargers take somebody who they would have to cut in September. ;D

[Traveler]

WR & Secondary are the Chargers two biggest needs. I was eyeing Hughes but had to go with Rice.

[bpc]

No.

I am going to post a daily thing about Mobile starting next week. I will try and do a position a day with comments about each day as a seperate part.

I really want to get to this project, but life in INDY has gotten into the way. I am working on building a new home and this all came about pretty quick. My wife works for a local homebuilder and they had some incentives for employees to buy in Jan that were too good to be true. We have been waiting for three years for a neighborhood we liked to open up and they gave employees a first shot if you signed up before FEB. Well, I get back from Mobile and we had to sign the paperwork and work with realtor and mortgage lender all last week and somebody decided it would be a good thing to start the draft early too ;D

I still feel bad about the Vince Young wonderlic fiasco from the combine last year. I hardly got a chance to see any of the defensive players work. So , rest assured the Mobile report will be very detailed.

**Caveat** I will not comment completely on the players though until after my OM draft targets are cleared, but I will give you a run down of counter rundown's from reports I have read since I have got back.

There is nothing like seeing players responding or not to coaching. All the triangle numbers in the world mean nothing if they can not do it on the field. Plus, you get to see the little things like technique and concentration better in person than on highlight films. Consistency and mental process are the two most missed things on the internet draft boards and most people do not take into account in the whole draft process of evaluation. Hearing these guys respond in open interviews is a huge plus too.

Just checking but i'm highly interested. Good luck with the project and the reports!

[Rohirrim]

WR & Secondary are the Chargers two biggest needs. I was eyeing Hughes but had to go with Rice.

I catch a lot of Cal games and I've seen Daymieon quite a bit. I hope nobody in the AFC West gets him. He's like one of those gnats, just flying all around your head, driving you crazy. But Rice is the solid pick at that spot, no doubt. There are enough questions about Hughes to slide him into the second round.

[Mediator12]

I think slap did a great job picking players available at 21 and 28. I realize this is a mock draft and fun. However, this is a deep DL class with talent into the late third that could be instant upgrades on DEN's DL. If they fail to get one of about twenty first day DL in this draft, I would have a mock style conniption on draft day as all the good Juniors declared and next years class is going to be one of the worst DL in ten years or so.

IMHO that third rounder better net a better DL or the trade of the second rounder would not be worth it. I have a hard time with 4 Early First Day linebackers to play 3 positions on two downs when they can not get DJ Williams on the field enough as it is. Adding Willis to the mix would mean one of those guys would have to be traded and/or Al Wilson moved to the outside.

They need more young DL in their rotation as the Older guys were totally worn down during the stretch run last year and none of them are even close to being every down players. That type of DL is not going to be able to execute the scheme Bates brings to the table and the defense is not going to be better playing two rookies, if that, in the back seven. I know people want to change the philosophy of the defense around here, and so do I, but going LB and safety in the first may cover the long term strategy without fixing what really needs fixing. An Impact DL has a lot more impact than a LB or S and the defense has used smoke and mirrors up front for too long with the CLE five.

This is the year to draft DL early and often. The only saving grace is if DEN can lure Kearney away from ATL with their new DL coach and Find a legit NT in FA too. Then, that draft looks like an A for best talent available instead of using resources to build for the future at non-essential need upgradeable positions.

[-Slap-]

I think you're kidding yourself if you consider safety a non-essential position on this defense.

[Broncoman13]

I think you're kidding yourself if you consider safety a non-essential position on this defense.


Case in point, Indy's defense was night and day different with Bob Sanders being in or out. When he was playing their defense was 10x better against the run and better against the pass as well. I agree that we need a lot of help up front, but a dynamic safety will go along way toward improving our defense.

[eddie mac]

I think you're kidding yourself if you consider safety a non-essential position on this defense.

Absolutely correct. Lynch has 1-2 years left tops. Ferguson is severly lacking in pass coverage whilst Brandon is a situational player, i.e covering better TE's.

[ludo21]

Absolutely correct. Lynch has 1-2 years left tops. Ferguson is severly lacking in pass coverage whilst Brandon is a situational player, i.e covering better TE's.

if we go BPA i nthe first or 2nd round and its a Safety, I wont cry at all.

We have a little depth with Cox, Abdullah, and brandon, but we need a playmaker.

I dont like the U, but Merriweather would be nice, maybe we can move up in the 2nd and nab him.

[Northman]

I think you're kidding yourself if you consider safety a non-essential position on this defense.

No ****, see Ed Reed.

[Rohirrim]

I just want a couple of playmakers, regardless of position. If it was Willis and Griffin, it would work for me. If it was Carriker and Mebane, that would work too. I'm not picky. Just give me some warriors who strike fear into the opposition and WHO MAKE PLAYS! Like Champ, for example.

[Killericon]

It came down to Buster Davis and Beason...Davis would be perfect to step in for London Fletcher, but the spot across from Takeo was the bigger need.

Plus, how can anyone pass on a LB from the U?

[SoCalBronco]

It came down to Buster Davis and Beason...Davis would be perfect to step in for London Fletcher, but the spot across from Takeo was the bigger need.

Plus, how can anyone pass on a LB from the U?

That pic you posted is not Beast. Thats RB Danyell Ferguson from the mid 90s.

[WABronco]

Why are you guys naming safeties from other teams? Slap said "this defense," correct?

Our top three safeties all put up passable coverage success rates a year ago, and Brandon performed at elite levels (ranking 2nd and 3rd in the league in many categories and depths). Lynch was the next best, and he's still an effective and impactful player despite not being used much in coverage. Ferguson put up passable numbers for a run-safety. Granted, those are last year's numbers, but there's not much contrast from this year to last, in my opinion. Ferguson was still steady, Lynch was still in-the-box, and Brandon was still in on coverage. There wasn't much change, other than injury.

Not saying that these guys aren't irreplaceable...I just agree with Med in that it's not a critical need. We have a coverage guy in Brandon. We have a couple slightly above-league-average, albeit aging, starters. We have a few young projects (one with starting upside--Abdullah). Unless the scheme is drastically overhauled, I don't forsee much change (other than maybe one addition to replace either Ferguson or a retiring Lynch).

I'll give you age concerns for Lynch, but if he doesn't retire I doubt he gets replaced.


It came down to Buster Davis and Beason...Davis would be perfect to step in for London Fletcher, but the spot across from Takeo was the bigger need.

Plus, how can anyone pass on a LB from the U?


Angelo Crowell?

[Bronco LB 59]

That pic you posted is not Beast. Thats RB Danyell Ferguson from the mid 90s.

I hear Danyell Ferguson was living large off his insurance policy after tearing up his knee as a senior? Have you heard anything new about him?

[SoCalBronco]

I hear Danyell Ferguson was living large off his insurance policy after tearing up his knee as a senior? Have you heard anything new about him?

I heard that his family had won the lottery in the late 90s, I did not read about him cashing in on a policy, although I suppose by either measure, he is still cashing in. :)

[Breck Bronc]

That pic you posted is not Beast. Thats RB Danyell Ferguson from the mid 90s.Yeah, I saw that and was wondering why he posted a picture of Ferguson getting his helmet ripped off by a Hokie.

[Rohirrim]

It's tough doing a mock with you guys. On a bunch of boards I've seen, Beason drops to the second round, right around the NYG pick at 51. But not here. :oyvey:

[WABronco]

It's tough doing a mock with you guys. On a bunch of boards I've seen, Beason drops to the second round, right around the NYG pick at 51. But not here. :oyvey:

I think I'm going to love it...the guy I want is universally frowned upon on this board.

Come.....to....papa......

[SoCalBronco]

I think I'm going to love it...the guy I want is universally frowned upon on this board.

Come.....to....papa......

You're going to pick Bob? :)

[bpc]

It's tough doing a mock with you guys. On a bunch of boards I've seen, Beason drops to the second round, right around the NYG pick at 51. But not here. :oyvey:

I've seen Beason going all over the board. Its really tough to say where a guy is valued truly. We've seen reaches before. Who ever thought that Ditka would take a LG with the 11th overall selection in Chris Naeole?

I think for the most part this mock draft has been pretty good. BTW, didn't the Bills trade to move up into the 1st round? Maybe they didn't think their guy would be there in round 2.

Just saying...

[WABronco]

You're going to pick Bob? :)

Ahahaha...that was a goooood one.

Really like the "come to papa" thing now...thanks.

[Killericon]

That pic you posted is not Beast. Thats RB Danyell Ferguson from the mid 90s.

Fixed. ****...As if I didn't look like a big enough idiot.

I was in a bit of a hurry, just got home from Curling and was on my way out the door when I got the PM.

Angelo Crowell?

That's one against...I've got Plenty for.

[SoCalBronco]

Just as a point of reminder folks, once Ozo makes his pick here, each pick from then on out will have a clock time of just 18 hours.

[Rascal]

So Slap, if Nelson was available there at 21, who would you have taken later (Willis would have been taken by NE by that point)?

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So Slap, if Nelson was available there at 21, who would you have taken later (Willis would have been taken by NE by that point)?

I kind of talked myself off Nelson a little bit because I realized Griffin would fall to 28. The guy I really wanted @ 21 was Charles Johnson. Had Griffen been off the board @ 28, I would have taken Moss or Tyler.

Had I decided to go for Nelson @ 21, Clockwork takes Willis @ 24, and its quite likely I would have gone for Poslusney @ 28.

[watermock]

Like you were not hoping Carriker went to you.

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Like you were not hoping Carriker went to you.

Carriker is not going to be an impact player at the pro level. People want to believe he's Ray Childress, but he's a hell of a lot closer to Shawn Knight.

[Broncoman13]

Not sure if Moss fits in our defense or not. He reminds me of Manny Lawson. Freakish athlete but his size is questionable... atleast to play along the line.

I thought long and hard about taking both Sidney Rice and Tank Tyler at 23 for the Cheaps. Finally had to settle on the best available athlete who can come in and compete as a #3 and replace one of their aging CB's in short order. He's also a replacement for Dante Hall should the Chokes decide he's not worth the money he wants as a return man.

Sidney Rice was close to being my pick. Looking at his numbers you'd think he did great against SEC comp. But, I looked at them game by game and most of his numbers were against non-SEC opponents. He had a considerable drop off against tougher comp. That's not all on him obviously, but it certainly raised a flag.

I'm gonna reach for a player in round 2. But he has tremendous upside so I think it will work out okay. Besides, I PLAY THE GAME TO WIN! :D

As for the Broncos and their picks. There wasn't another player at 21 that I'd rather have. I would like to see Carriker drop to us but I don't think that will happen. If I was picking for the Broncos I probably would have taken Griffin at 21 and then ended up with somebody like Grubbs, Staley, or Tyler at #28. All in all, Slap got some of the best value on the board so I can't complain.

[Broncoman13]

Carriker is not going to be an impact player at the pro level. People want to believe he's Ray Childress, but he's a hell of a lot closer to Shawn Knight.


A big man that can use his hands well. Move inside on passing downs. Be a big run stopping force at DE with his size. I'm not ready to put any rookie that's never played in the NFL in the same category as Ray Childress... but his potential is very good. We could certainly do a lot worse!

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I know he had a good week of practice for the Senior Bowl, but he wasn't particularly impressive in the game itself. He seemed to get wired to blockers a lot.

[Broncoman13]

Yes, but he was eating space and the South didn't have much room to run either!!! I look at it like this. On 1st and 2nd downs it's like having 3 DT's on the field. Except he's very capable of getting after the QB if he drops back. On 3rd downs he'll pay the biggest dividends. 3rd and short... a plugger at the end. On 3rd and long, obvious passing downs, he's big enough to move inside and create havoc inside. 295 lb DE's that run in the 4.7-4.9 range don't come around very often. His production in the Big 12 has been good as well.

[Rohirrim]

I think if anybody drafts Carriker with the idea that he's going to be a sack monster, they're going to be disappointed. But I think he'll be excellent at doing what the Broncos need which is staying in the game, drawing double teams, and collapsing the pocket. Plus, I think there are few centers, guards or RTs in the league who could get to the second level with Warren and Carriker in front of them. They'll keep the trash off the LBs. Given the fact that the Broncos play the best RBs in the league twice a year each, I'm not in love with having a Moss type who goes flying around the outside while the RB goes flying by inside him. I love the idea of having a Dline that can crush the pocket whenever they want, get in the backfield and disrupt whatever comes at them. It doesn't have to be a sack every play. Just don't let them do what they want to do. Throw their timing off.

[Traveler]

I think if anybody drafts Carriker with the idea that he's going to be a sack monster, they're going to be disappointed. But I think he'll be excellent at doing what the Broncos need which is staying in the game, drawing double teams, and collapsing the pocket. Plus, I think there are few centers, guards or RTs in the league who could get to the second level with Warren and Carriker in front of them. They'll keep the trash off the LBs. Given the fact that the Broncos play the best RBs in the league twice a year each, I'm not in love with having a Moss type who goes flying around the outside while the RB goes flying by inside him. I love the idea of having a Dline that can crush the pocket whenever they want, get in the backfield and disrupt whatever comes at them. It doesn't have to be a sack every play. Just don't let them do what they want to do. Throw their timing off.

As you've said, I'm just hoping that we get someone (anyone) that can collapse the pocket consistently. If Carriker is the guy, fine!

[Arkie]

I've caught a little ridicule for drafting Quentin Moses at #26. It's purely a pick based on potential. Remember only six months ago? Moses was supposed to be the best defensive end in the country and possibly the overall number one pick. It's because of his poor senior year that he has slipped so far. He should have come out last year. Instead he played his senior season to not get hurt, and it showed.

[Clockwork Orange]

I've caught a little ridicule for drafting Quentin Moses at #26. It's purely a pick based on potential. Remember only six months ago? Moses was supposed to be the best defensive end in the country and possibly the overall number one pick. It's because of his poor senior year that he has slipped so far. He should have come out last year. Instead he played his senior season to not get hurt, and it showed.

I said this a little ways back, but he looks as if he's this years Mathias Kiwanuka.

[bpc]

Just a note, to everybody, Mathias Kiwanuka and Moses are nowhere near the same player.

Kiwi dominated the Big East and the ACC. The reason he had a down senior year is because he played all season with a high ankle sprain.

Moses is talented but he does not show the same features that Kiwi had. Moses played on a better team with more talent and he got outplayed by the DE opposite of him.

In my oppinion Moses has some good football ahead of him but he'll need a very good coach to show him technique and they'll need to build up his body a little.

I do think he could have an impact right away as a 3-4 OLB.

[DBroncos4life]

Carriker is not going to be an impact player at the pro level. People want to believe he's Ray Childress, but he's a hell of a lot closer to Shawn Knight.

load of ****.

[Rohirrim]

Has anybody notified Ozo?

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Yes, but he was eating space and the South didn't have much room to run either!!! I look at it like this. On 1st and 2nd downs it's like having 3 DT's on the field. Except he's very capable of getting after the QB if he drops back. On 3rd downs he'll pay the biggest dividends. 3rd and short... a plugger at the end. On 3rd and long, obvious passing downs, he's big enough to move inside and create havoc inside. 295 lb DE's that run in the 4.7-4.9 range don't come around very often. His production in the Big 12 has been good as well.

The South's tackles were all guards playing out of position, or they were project types. Jay Moore was eating his man alive, but you barely noticed Carriker was on the field.

[-Slap-]

Just a note, to everybody, Mathias Kiwanuka and Moses are nowhere near the same player.

Kiwi dominated the Big East and the ACC. The reason he had a down senior year is because he played all season with a high ankle sprain.

Moses is talented but he does not show the same features that Kiwi had. Moses played on a better team with more talent and he got outplayed by the DE opposite of him.

In my oppinion Moses has some good football ahead of him but he'll need a very good coach to show him technique and they'll need to build up his body a little.

I do think he could have an impact right away as a 3-4 OLB.


Kiwi fell because D'Brick dominated him at Senior Bowl practices and then he bailed.