Official Mock Draft discussion, analysis, ridicule, praise etc. thread

[BlitzingDog]

Craig Davis is a guy a like more than most. I don't understand how he didn't get more props at LSU. He Early Doucet and Dwayne Bowe all are nice WR's in my book.

[BlitzingDog]

Reguarding Marcus Thomas. As an avid Florida watcher and reader on gatornation many Gator Fans who are usually a good source state that Thomas of course as we know failed a weed test and was suspended but the think that ultimately got him booted off the team was after the Georgia game he was contacted by an agent and Thomas had discussions with that agent. Therefore Florida had no other choice but to boot him off the team ore else they would have faced probation rulings. He was also said to have failed a 2nd drug test for marijuana.

[youcandoit1687]

I have never been as impressed with Craig Davis as Scott Wright and others have been. He has been a very good receiver but he is a "good at everything, not great at anything" type of receiver. He runs pretty good receivers but doesn't have blazing speed. He has some body size but not as big as bowe, he has pretty skinny shoulders and lower body. He is a good route runner but I've never seen him break anybody. Good hands, very reliable in that aspect.

Great value in the third but still probably only the 7th best WR. I'd put him ahead of Anthony Gonzalez.

[BlitzingDog]

Yeah Davis 40 time would be a major factor for him. I think you nailed it saying he does everything well but nothing great (except for route running I think he is great at) but that might be a reason why I like him so much, he is good at all aspects. I think round 3-4 he is great value because he probably aren't getting a star with him, but you will get a guy who can come in and play for you and do a solid job for years to come.

[SoCalBronco]

I have never been as impressed with Craig Davis as Scott Wright and others have been. He has been a very good receiver but he is a "good at everything, not great at anything" type of receiver. He runs pretty good receivers but doesn't have blazing speed. He has some body size but not as big as bowe, he has pretty skinny shoulders and lower body. He is a good route runner but I've never seen him break anybody. Good hands, very reliable in that aspect.

Great value in the third but still probably only the 7th best WR. I'd put him ahead of Anthony Gonzalez.

Good Lord, I never thought I'd see the day when I'd be higher on an LSU prospect than you. :)

[youcandoit1687]

Haha, yeah I know, I'm trying to not be such a homer but something in me still says Jake is worth a first rounder and other non sense lol.

I think it was you(maybe Requiem) though who was very high on Glenn Dorsey while I am still not that convinced that he would have been worthy of a top 16 pick. He is surrounded by so much talent it's ridiculous. Just look at our recruiting and production on the DL. He's obviously good but I wouldn't have been that ecstatic if the Broncos took him #21. Our DL is amazing, it might not have even affected their production if he left, we have two five star guys behind him in Al Woods and Joseph Barksdale and others who produce at a very high level as well.

[Mediator12]

My hand was forced by the firing of Pettigout and Whitfield's retirement. I was going to wait till the fourth for Otto, but the need overcame the patience. Anyway, he fulfills my number one requirement of a draftee: He would play football even if they didn't pay him to do it.

Man, this is where real NFL news and timing screws with the draft board!

If the Giants did not dump those guys and FA was already here and they signed a couple T's like they have to now then Otto might actually get to my fourth rounder. I have seen this kid play for the last three years at Purdue and he is the only decent guy outside Spencer coming out up there this year.

Great Pick Rohirrim. Just a little early in board Value, but I can not argue that his talent is better than a third round selection IMHO. Dude is nasty and extemely consistent.

[Mediator12]

The scary thing about this draft so far is that Talent is being drafted ahead of board value on a consistent basis. Everyone seems to be jumping the gun for perceived talent. At this point, the UDFA period is going to be worthless!

Oh well, this is the fun part in the middle rounds and you guys are doing a great job. I can not wait to compare our draft selections to the real draft three years from now and compare how that talent is doing. I bet our 2-4 rounds will produce more starters than the real draft.

[BlitzingDog]

I agree that Mike Otto is much better than his board value. I think he may end up going day one, but right now you don't see many putting his value there, but he is freak nasty. Purdue always seems to turn out some good front 8 and OL.

[Mediator12]

I agree that Mike Otto is much better than his board value. I think he may end up going day one, but right now you don't see many putting his value there, but he is freak nasty. Purdue always seems to turn out some good front 8 and OL.

What makes little sense to me in setting the board values with him is that OT is such a weak position in this draft and he still is pretty low going into the combine. I really think he is going to be a huge climber after the combine and was really upset he did not get a Senior Bowl invite. With Joe thomas not participating and Joe Staley on the south, the North did not have a decent LT outside of Levi Brown all week for drills and such. It really showed too. The guys not going up against Brown were dominant. Otto should have been there IMHO.

[BlitzingDog]

I agree with everything you have just said. I do not understand why Otto does not get more praise for his career, he has been great, it doesn't make much sense to me.

[Rohirrim]

Let's just say, I wouldn't be upset if the Broncos used a third on him, let him play a little while Lepsis is teaching him the ropes at LT. Plus, the guy looks like Nalen's little brother. ;D

[Mediator12]

Hey Big guy, your littlebacker LB core just got smaller ;D

[youcandoit1687]

Hey Big guy, your littlebacker LB core just got smaller ;D

haha yeah I was gonna say that doesn't seem like a Big Guy pick.

[Rohirrim]

I wonder if Troy Smith will drop this far?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Hey Big guy, your littlebacker LB core just got smaller ;D

Hoping for the next Dat Nguynen. Besides, you know he is going to be good coming from your favorite school. ;D

[Broncoman13]

I wonder if Troy Smith will drop this far?

I was tempted to take him but decided with Huard and Croyle both in the mix it would be a wasted pick. Pretty good value right now IMO.

I wanted to go a different direction with this pick. I would have gladly taken either Davis or Thomas (thanks Eddie Mac and BPC!) but both went about 5 picks before me. I had SoCal pegged for Craig Davis, then saw that he drafted Bowe in the first so thought he would slide. I attempted to move up to grab him, but admittedly didn't want to give up too much value in a trade.

Doug Free will be a pretty good Tackle in the NFL. He has seen his draft stock fall quite a bit lately, but when it's all said and done he will go higher than pick 84 in this draft. Right now, if you consider both Blalock and Sears OG's he's the 4th rated OT in the draft. A stress fracture suffered against Ohio St in the opener is the only thing holding this guy back from being a high 2nd round pick. He's made guys like Wolf and Turner look good so the talent is there!

FWIW, I wouldn't be surprised in the least to see Shanny take him with our first 3rd round pick. He is a Broncos style OT.

[SoCalBronco]

Very good pick BMan. I was also looking at him, so that makes like 9 guys that we both wanted lol.

[Mediator12]

Good pick B-man. I want to see how well his foot has healed in a few days. OL go first if I remember correctly so they start WED and Workout THU. They really do a alot of footwork drills to warmup and I should get a good view of how that foot looks right now.

[Jens1893]

I am beginning to wonder if teams will give Smith a shot at QB.

[Mediator12]

I am beginning to wonder if teams will give Smith a shot at QB.

I think they will, and I think the groupthink on this board has kept him from being selected more than anything in our Mock. Should be a late 2, early three pick unless something serious changes IMHO. Too many teams have real needs at QB to let him go that long in real life.

[SoCalBronco]

I am beginning to wonder if teams will give Smith a shot at QB.

They'll give him a shot, sure. He's not just an athlete. He took tremendous strides in his senior year in reading defenses and with his accuracy as a passer. Sure, he had a horrible title game, but he still can be an NFL passer. He seemed to do at least ok during the week in Mobile too.

[Drek]

I am beginning to wonder if teams will give Smith a shot at QB.

He doesn't have the speed for a change of position. Runs about a 4.6 from what I've heard. Maybe WR like Robinson but I doubt it, he hasn't even worked out as anything else.

I'd love Smith sliding to the 5th and the Broncos grabbing him. I think he could develop into a very good QB, working with Shanahan could give us good Cutler insurance and maybe some trade value down the line.

[Jens1893]

I think they will, and I think the groupthink on this board has kept him from being selected more than anything in our Mock. Should be a late 2, early three pick unless something serious changes IMHO. Too many teams have real needs at QB to let him go that long in real life.

I guess most of us just remember the last game Troy Smith played in.

[BlitzingDog]

He doesn't have the speed for a change of position. Runs about a 4.6 from what I've heard. Maybe WR like Robinson but I doubt it, he hasn't even worked out as anything else.

I'd love Smith sliding to the 5th and the Broncos grabbing him. I think he could develop into a very good QB, working with Shanahan could give us good Cutler insurance and maybe some trade value down the line.



Michael Robinson is a RB not a WR. (49ers)

I wouldn't touch Troy Smith, before Round 5, but that is just me.

Also, Damon Huard is a UFA.

[Mediator12]

I guess most of us just remember the last game Troy Smith played in.

Exactly.

That hurts mock draft status and people really did not get a good look at him in the senior bowl either as it was mess and made passing very difficult. His TD to Jason Hill though was a great play that DEN would run on a sprint out though.

The FO's have a process in place to that will dispel that last game bias. There are just a whole bunch of talent drafting nerds here! Value is relative and this group likes undervalued talent.

[SoCalBronco]

Exactly.

That hurts mock draft status and people really did not get a good look at him in the senior bowl either as it was mess and made passing very difficult. His TD to Jason Hill though was a great play that DEN would run on a sprint out though.

The FO's have a process in place to that will dispel that last game bias. There are just a whole bunch of talent drafting nerds here! Value is relative and this group likes undervalued talent.

Talent drafting nerds rule. ;D

[Mediator12]

Talent drafting nerds rule. ;D

Yeah, and they stockpile middle round picks looking for diamonds in the rough ;D

[Rohirrim]

Yeah, and they stockpile middle round picks looking for diamonds in the rough ;D
LOL

[watermock]

Beezer has gone to the combine early to get used to the field conditions. He should be going thru Illinois by now.

[Broncoman13]

Good pick B-man. I want to see how well his foot has healed in a few days. OL go first if I remember correctly so they start WED and Workout THU. They really do a alot of footwork drills to warmup and I should get a good view of how that foot looks right now.


I think the foot will be an issue until he has enough time to let it rest and fully heal. To his credit, he hasn't backed out of any post season games and played through the season despite suffering the injury in his season opener vs OSU.

I think a lot will depend on his medical evals. If teams feel that he's healthy enough to come in and compete this season he'll go in the first day. If there is doubt and teams think he'll be an IR type then it's the 2nd day... unless the Broncos spend their late 3rd on him.

[WABronco]

Booker is a bit of a BPA pick for me, considering Seattle's other positions of need. I feel I can still get value later at other positions, and Booker's explosivness was too tempting to pass-up.

Might be a bit of a reach, but I can't say that there was any great value at other positions of need for Seattle.

[Breck Bronc]

Bill Belichick is going to love his GM getting him Posluszny, Weddle, Houston and McBean. That defense was restocked real quick. I was close to picking Houston and McBean with my 2nd and 3rd round picks.

Good job, Clockwork.

[Clockwork Orange]

Bill Belichick is going to love his GM getting him Posluszny, Weddle, Houston and McBean. That defense was restocked real quick. I was close to picking Houston and McBean with my 2nd and 3rd round picks.

Good job, Clockwork.

Thanks. :)

[-Slap-]

Bill Belichick is going to love his GM getting him Posluszny, Weddle, Houston and McBean. That defense was restocked real quick. I was close to picking Houston and McBean with my 2nd and 3rd round picks.

Good job, Clockwork.

Clockwork knows his way around a draft board.......:)

[-Slap-]

I knew BMan was going to take Doug Free in front of me. I was tempted to jump him, but decided to fall back to Plan B instead.

[SoCalBronco]

Yep, CO has definitely done an outstanding job in this draft restocking the Patriots defense.

[Drek]

Michael Robinson is a RB not a WR. (49ers)

I wouldn't touch Troy Smith, before Round 5, but that is just me.

Also, Damon Huard is a UFA.

Yeah, just mistyped. My brother is a huge 49ers fan and thinks Robinson is going to be an excellent 2nd back behind Gore.

[WABronco]

McBean in the 3-4? Hmmmm...

[Jens1893]

Bill Belichick is going to love his GM getting him Posluszny, Weddle, Houston and McBean. That defense was restocked real quick. I was close to picking Houston and McBean with my 2nd and 3rd round picks.

Good job, Clockwork.

On the other hand, I´m sure Tom Brady is thrilled he´s going to be throwing to a bunch of scrubs for yet another season.

[bpc]

McBean on the field looks like an undeveloped Trevor Pryce. He is a few year away but BB has shown the ability to sit on players awhile spotting them into the lineup and letting them grow. He did it to perfection with Tully Banta-Cain from Cal who is now contributing pretty well to that defense.

[SoCalBronco]

On the other hand, I´m sure Tom Brady is thrilled he´s going to be throwing to a bunch of scrubs for yet another season.

I don't want to speak for CO, but perhaps his view is that he could wait awhile to address the position since WR is one of the deepest (if not the deepest quite possibly) positions in this draft and several solid prospects still remain at that spot.

[Clockwork Orange]

On the other hand, I´m sure Tom Brady is thrilled he´s going to be throwing to a bunch of scrubs for yet another season.

I was hoping that Gonzales would fall to me at pick 3A, but it didn't happen. This is likely a position that they'll have to address through free agency. I just thought that they're really starting to show their age on the defensive side of the ball and that it was time to restock.

Besides, Brady has a way of getting the most out of his receivers. There's a good chance that Chad Jackson sees an increased role next season.

[Rohirrim]

Is JCM trying to draft both ND tackles with one pick? He's going for Ryan Harris and Sam Young? I'm guessing he means Ryan Harris, since that's whose picture he put up. ;D

[Jens1893]

I don't want to speak for CO, but perhaps his view is that he could wait awhile to address the position since WR is one of the deepest (if not the deepest quite possibly) positions in this draft and several solid prospects still remain at that spot.

I was hoping that Gonzales would fall to me at pick 3A, but it didn't happen. This is likely a position that they'll have to address through free agency. I just thought that they're really starting to show their age on the defensive side of the ball and that it was time to restock.

Besides, Brady has a way of getting the most out of his receivers. There's a good chance that Chad Jackson sees an increased role next season.

All true, and I like his draft actually, it´s just that if I was a Pats fan, I´d want to see what Brady can do with some genuinely talented receivers and I´d be a little disappointed if they didn´t address this on the first day. WRs usually take a bit to settle in the NFL anyway, but I´d be less than thrilled if a second day WR was supposed to be the solution as Reche Caldwell cost them in the AFC CG. I have the Pats going LB and WR in the 1st round myself.

[BlitzingDog]

Wilson is the guy I have been talking about as surprised he was still there. He might be the fastest CB in the draft, has great return skils and instincts, if he was 1 inch taller he would be a 1st rounder IMO. Great pick there. I think come draft time he goes early to mid 2nd round.

[Mediator12]

Stewart Bradley really surprised me in Mobile.

I was pleasantly surprised that all the Cornhusker lovers around here did not play this kid up prior to this point. I had not paid much attention to Bradley until I saw him in Mobile. WOW! This kid is the most complete LB in the draft IMHO and I was glad to see some other people agreed in their Analysis. He can rush the passer, plays the run correctly, reads misdirection like a veteran, he can cover, and he can Tackle. He made some great plays on the ball in coverage down there and I kept writing his number down repeatedly going who is this kid?

Then, I saw him in the game. He was just completely solid. No false steps, great pursuit angles without overpursuit, solid tackling and forced a Fumble on Baker in the flat. First thing I did was get some game tape of The USC, Oklahoma, and Auburn games as I could watch Carriker and Moore as well. He was fantastic in all those games with a Big play made in all three.

I was even more surprised that he was rated a late third rounder in this weak LB draft. He really is like Mike Otto to me, a player way undervalued at this point, and since Otto was taken earlier than expected by Rohirrim due to the stupid new GM's early cuts I was willing to move up to get one of my two favorite players remaining since there are some LB needy teams still needing help before 99. I made a conditional trade because I saw three LB needy teams right in front of Slap. Then, PIT, GB, and finally PHI went in another direction right in front of him.

TB's LB's are older and need major depth. This is a good time to get a guy with Bradley's skills to play MLB or SAM in the cover two.

[Florida_Bronco]

As a Nebraska fan myself, let me tell you Med that you got a GREAT value with Bradley.

[Rohirrim]

Wow! The next two guys on my list, Bradley and Wilson, go one, two. Sheesh!

[BlitzingDog]

Bradley is rising up boards. Nice pick!

[JCMElway]

Is JCM trying to draft both ND tackles with one pick? He's going for Ryan Harris and Sam Young? I'm guessing he means Ryan Harris, since that's whose picture he put up. ;D

I thought it was a good draft strategy. Pittsburgh could fill two needs with one pick!

LOL Lesson to all: Don't make draft picks after drinking cough syrup and then some Coca-Cola later. ROFL!

Sheesh. I feel like Mock!

[elsid13]

I thought it was a good draft strategy. Pittsburgh could fill two needs with one pick!

LOL Lesson to all: Don't make draft picks after drinking cough syrup and then some Coca-Cola later. ROFL!

Sheesh. I feel like Mock!

If you didn't draft some dead guy that played college tennis then you aren't close to Mock

[DBroncos4life]

Stewart Bradley really surprised me in Mobile.

I was pleasantly surprised that all the Cornhusker lovers around here did not play this kid up prior to this point. I had not paid much attention to Bradley until I saw him in Mobile. WOW! This kid is the most complete LB in the draft IMHO and I was glad to see some other people agreed in their Analysis. He can rush the passer, plays the run correctly, reads misdirection like a veteran, he can cover, and he can Tackle. He made some great plays on the ball in coverage down there and I kept writing his number down repeatedly going who is this kid?

Then, I saw him in the game. He was just completely solid. No false steps, great pursuit angles without overpursuit, solid tackling and forced a Fumble on Baker in the flat. First thing I did was get some game tape of The USC, Oklahoma, and Auburn games as I could watch Carriker and Moore as well. He was fantastic in all those games with a Big play made in all three.

I was even more surprised that he was rated a late third rounder in this weak LB draft. He really is like Mike Otto to me, a player way undervalued at this point, and since Otto was taken earlier than expected by Rohirrim due to the stupid new GM's early cuts I was willing to move up to get one of my two favorite players remaining since there are some LB needy teams still needing help before 99. I made a conditional trade because I saw three LB needy teams right in front of Slap. Then, PIT, GB, and finally PHI went in another direction right in front of him.

TB's LB's are older and need major depth. This is a good time to get a guy with Bradley's skills to play MLB or SAM in the cover two.

That would team Ruud and Bradley back together. I can't hype all the Huskers Med so its up to the others to pick up the slack...:)

Really I think he and Jay Moore go in the second round, but thats just my guess.


If Bowman didn't get hurt more of these guys would be getting more hype. Grixby flat out blew ass last year. He took a huge step back. Anyways the one Husker that needs the hyping up is Ola Dagunduro. I think he coud be a good pass rushing DT in the NFL.

[BlitzingDog]

WOW, the 3rd string RB from Virginia just went. I thought for sure Tony Hunt was a shoe in there.

[Broncoman13]

WOW, the 3rd string RB from Virginia just went. I thought for sure Tony Hunt was a shoe in there.

Uh, Tony Hunt was drafted in the 2nd round by the Bengals... Having a Mock moment are we?

[BlitzingDog]

Sorry dude, I am not in this mock , so I haven't paid close attention to who is left. But Michael Johnson in Round 3? The guy is a 5'9" 3rd stringer. lol.

[Mediator12]

I had to check my draft board for Michael Johnson and thought he had mistakenly taken the safety out of ARI twice. That is the first name I have had to add to my top 300 list. Anubis must be related to the guy so he could say he drafted him or something ;D

Anubis, got any info on the guy we might have missed? Any thoughts on his selection as a third rounder as I am not sure he was on anyone's board let alone a first day selection?

[BlitzingDog]

He is fast that is about it, I would say well nice KR, but they have B.J. Sams, and Johnson really wasn't even much of a good return man in college. He was the Cavaliers 3rd string RB, I am not bashing the pick, but like Mediator, I would like to know what he sees in him to take him in round 3. Because I have him being lucky to even be picked up as a UDFA at this point.

[SpringStein]

What hapopened to Eddie Mac? He was here, now he isn't. Hopefully not out for a Guiness!

[-Slap-]

So far, my decision to drop from 91 to 99 looks like a good one. All three players I was considering @ 91 are still on the board @ 95.

[Mediator12]

So far, my decision to drop from 91 to 99 looks like a good one. All three players I was considering @ 91 are still on the board @ 95.

Good. I hope the trade was beneficial for both of us. Thanks for doing business.

Now, go get that guy!

[SpringStein]

Good pick on Davis. He was on my short list for the early 4th for the Cards.

[eddie mac]

Good pick on Davis. He was on my short list for the early 4th for the Cards.

Thanks bro. No Guinness earlier BTW. I had 2 guys I really wanted and needed at that pick and it took me a couple of hours to decide which one to take. BTW I nearly shat myself when I read Kiper's new big board this morning. He now has Craig Davis WR LSU at No18. I picked him at 80 in the 3rd round. Claims his speed 4.35 and size are going to have teams drooling and now has him as the 4th rated WR behind Ginn, Jarrett and Bowe.Ha!

[Mediator12]

Good pick on Davis. He was on my short list for the early 4th for the Cards.

Totally agree about that being a good selection. Davis is the right type of kid to play opposite Jones in TEN.

He was also on my list in the fourth if I did not trade up to get Bradley. Lots of CB's going much later than they will in the real draft IMHO.

[Drek]

Totally agree about that being a good selection. Davis is the right type of kid to play opposite Jones in TEN.

He was also on my list in the fourth if I did not trade up to get Bradley. Lots of CB's going much later than they will in the real draft IMHO.

Don't CBs always? I remember taking Johnathan Joseph in the middle of round 2 last year, he was a top 20 selection in the real draft. Few people on this board have access to the footage needed to accurately break down and rate CBs so most of us just go by what little we've gotten to see and what measurables get leaked early. Hell, few draft "experts" do, but NFL scouting departments with dozens of guys working long days all year long sure do.

[BlitzingDog]

I like the Davis pick but IMO the Titans need a bigger CB opposite Pac-Man. Craig Davis keeps moving up and he should.

[Kaylore]

I can't believe Ramirez fell that far. I was going to trade up for him in the fourth. Actually, i SHOULD have been able to trade Leftwhich for another third and I would have used my second third on him but the stupid rules of this game wouldn't let me do that! :gripe: Anyway, GREAT pick Traveler. I think long term he's going to be one of the best Guards in the league. Huge value pick.

[bpc]

Tough to do this draft accurately with CB's. We still haven't seen any pro days or even the combine and we are almost into the 4th round. MANY players will be boosting their stock within the next month and a half.

Still, I think for the most part all the players on this mock have come educated and realistically ready to help their team build towards the future.

[Northman]

Sorry dude, I am not in this mock , so I haven't paid close attention to who is left. But Michael Johnson in Round 3? The guy is a 5'9" 3rd stringer. lol.



Who has great speed and the luxury of playing behind some other very good Virginia running backs. Oh, and by the way genius. Terrell Davis was a 6th rounder who didnt start at Georgia and guess how he turned out?

[BlitzingDog]

They key term being "6th rounder"

Fact is you could have nailed Johnson in round 6 or 7 had you pegged him the next Terrell Davis, not the friggin 3rd round.

Who is the genius? Surely not you! :)

[BlitzingDog]

btw, Jason Snelling and Cedric Pearman weren't even that good this year.

[Northman]

I had to check my draft board for Michael Johnson and thought he had mistakenly taken the safety out of ARI twice. That is the first name I have had to add to my top 300 list. Anubis must be related to the guy so he could say he drafted him or something ;D

Anubis, got any info on the guy we might have missed? Any thoughts on his selection as a third rounder as I am not sure he was on anyone's board let alone a first day selection?


Basically, he is a speedy back who could use some bulking up a bit to help inside the tackles. But UVA had a very healthy stock of backs in front of him and because he had a fumbling problem it may have led to the other backs getting more time. But, Tiki Barber was also plagued by fumbles both in college and his first few years in NY. Barber was able to overcome that and i believe Johnson could do the same. I truly believe he was the better back while there. But he didnt utilize his opportunities like he should have. I was going to pick A.J Davis from State but decided to go with Johnson. I will tell you this much, even if Johnson doesnt get drafted at all i hope Denver gives him a look. With a little more mass he could easily be a TD type back.

[Northman]

btw, Jason Snelling and Cedric Pearman weren't even that good this year.

Actually, they did pretty well considering we started a freshman QB. Obviously, they werent a Wali Lundy or Thomas Jones but they still got the job done. With Virginias defense and another year under Sewells belt i expect a pretty good team the next couple of years.

[BlitzingDog]

Oh I think Virginia will be a good team soon too, I am not going to argue that. I am not saying Johnson is terrible either, and I was no meaning to bash you for it until you bashed me for an honest comment. I am just saying for the future, I feel like in a mock you can get a guy like Johnson in round 6 or 7 if you think he is the next big thing at RB. Personally I wouldn't draft him at all, but I am not one to sit here and say your opinion is wrong on him, but I am just saying, you coul have waited, gotten a day 1 value there, and gotten Johnson late. Just a point! :)

[Northman]

Oh I think Virginia will be a good team soon too, I am not going to argue that. I am not saying Johnson is terrible either, and I was no meaning to bash you for it until you bashed me for an honest comment. I am just saying for the future, I feel like in a mock you can get a guy like Johnson in round 6 or 7 if you think he is the next big thing at RB. Personally I wouldn't draft him at all, but I am not one to sit here and say your opinion is wrong on him, but I am just saying, you coul have waited, gotten a day 1 value there, and gotten Johnson late. Just a point! :)



Perhaps, i honestly dont know how many rounds i have here so i just go with gut feeling. The Ravens ( aside from maybe Grubbs ) will not draft Rouse or Johnson. Hindsight says i should have taken Davis in place of Rouse i was just unsure about Davis. I only busted on you cause you busted on my last two picks. ;D

[BlitzingDog]

Sorry, but it was just an honest opinion and nothing against you. You already know my logic behind Johnson as I stated, and the A pick of Aaron Rouse, the player I like a lot, but I feel with Ed Reed there (best S in the NFL in my book) and a rookie who played very well i Dawan Landry, that starting wise that is sealed up. Now, depth wise, I am all about a S for Baltimore, but on day two.

[Northman]

Sorry, but it was just an honest opinion and nothing against you. You already know my logic behind Johnson as I stated, and the A pick of Aaron Rouse, the player I like a lot, but I feel with Ed Reed there (best S in the NFL in my book) and a rookie who played very well i Dawan Landry, that starting wise that is sealed up. Now, depth wise, I am all about a S for Baltimore, but on day two.

Yea, Rouse was picked for depth. This is my first go around on Mock's so i have a rookie card here. lol Ill do better next year with it.

[BlitzingDog]

Don't worry about it, I wasn't meaning to show you up or make fun of you. I was just giving an opinion for ya. I am not in this thing, and I get bored here at home, so I have too much time on my hands so I am getting into this thing. lol

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Still, I think for the most part all the players on this mock have come educated and realistically ready to help their team build towards the future.

I agree, but there seems to be a little "Bronco mindset" as the positions that the board perceives to be Bronco needs seem to be coming off a little early. I don't think it is intentional. It's just that Bronco fans have been paying more attention to players at thsoe 3-4 positions.

[Mediator12]

Basically, he is a speedy back who could use some bulking up a bit to help inside the tackles. But UVA had a very healthy stock of backs in front of him and because he had a fumbling problem it may have led to the other backs getting more time. But, Tiki Barber was also plagued by fumbles both in college and his first few years in NY. Barber was able to overcome that and i believe Johnson could do the same. I truly believe he was the better back while there. But he didnt utilize his opportunities like he should have. I was going to pick A.J Davis from State but decided to go with Johnson. I will tell you this much, even if Johnson doesnt get drafted at all i hope Denver gives him a look. With a little more mass he could easily be a TD type back.

Thanks Anubis! I was trying to not come off as an attack, just have not seen the kid listed in anyone's top 300. People will rise and fall as the process continues and information at this point is incomplete. There will be some guys drafted who do not make it to the combine and who knows if this is one of those guys ???

Like everyone else, you had a favorite who you wanted to get. I just wanted to see how you perceived his value in the late third and that explains it very well. No matter how much we love to play our favorites around here, no one can look at all these guys film by themselves. Next year I want an assistant ;D

[Mediator12]

I agree, but there seems to be a little "Bronco mindset" as the positions that the board perceives to be Bronco needs seem to be coming off a little early. I don't think it is intentional. It's just that Bronco fans have been paying more attention to players at thsoe 3-4 positions.

Yeah, that is the groupthink i was talking about earlier. QB, CB, second tier WR's, and OL have been drastically undervalued in our mock to their current values. DE, DT and S have been overvalued starting in the second round. That is what makes it fun. Trying to get a read on what other peoples needs and preferences are compared to their teams.

Personally, I am upset I am down to one pick remaining. There are a whole bunch of Sleepers out there. At least I might get one as a UDFA this year :wiggle:

[Broncoman13]

I agree, but there seems to be a little "Bronco mindset" as the positions that the board perceives to be Bronco needs seem to be coming off a little early. I don't think it is intentional. It's just that Bronco fans have been paying more attention to players at thsoe 3-4 positions.

GUILTY!!!

I'd love to see the Broncos get Revis, Tank Tyler, and Doug Free. Seriously though, the Chefs have some of the same needs. DT and OL being their biggest needs. DL and RB being ours.

[Northman]

Thanks Anubis! I was trying to not come off as an attack, just have not seen the kid listed in anyone's top 300. People will rise and fall as the process continues and information at this point is incomplete. There will be some guys drafted who do not make it to the combine and who knows if this is one of those guys ???

Like everyone else, you had a favorite who you wanted to get. I just wanted to see how you perceived his value in the late third and that explains it very well. No matter how much we love to play our favorites around here, no one can look at all these guys film by themselves. Next year I want an assistant ;D


Yea, initially i was looking at Allen from Maryland because i wasnt sure that Johnson was even in the draft. Like you said, he isnt listed in the top 300 so i wasnt sure if he was even in there. I had to do a little digging and found out he was there. As Blitz said, i probably could have grabbed him later but im just not sure how man rounds the Ravens have ( my own fault for not checking ) but figured i would take him anyway since most of the bigs names are gone already. At this point, i figure the Ravens need depth at certain positions and a little help on offense so im just going on gut feelings right now. 8')

[Rohirrim]

Are we napping or what? ;D

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Sure seems to be going slow right now.


I really don't know anything about Johnson, but Anubus just threw one of those curves that we will see in the real draft several times. Teams see someone they like and jump on them regardless of what the press thinks about the guy.

[bpc]

Who's up to pick? I think its been about 18 hours now hasn't it? What are our time limits in round 4?

[Rohirrim]

We're past 18 hours for Ozo's pick. The Dave should be up.

[ColoradoBuff]

It's the Colts pick.

[eddie mac]

It's the Colts pick.

It was. The 18 hrs has passed on that pick 95 of the 3rd round.

[bpc]

We were flowing nicely. Lets get this back up tempo again. I got two picks this next round.

Raiders should be on the clock now with the Colts having the ability draft at any time they choose. Following teams will adhere to the same format. Detroit should be on deck.

[SpringStein]

Technically, Indy's time was up at 7:00 am Mountain Time.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Someone ping Dave and tell him to give those critters in his class a pop quiz so he can have a minute to get on line and make his pick.

[TheDave]

Someone ping Dave and tell him to give those critters in his class a pop quiz so he can have a minute to get on line and make his pick.

Done... I feel extremely guilty making the raiders a competitive team... Then again, i knew this job was dirty when i took it ;D

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Thats OK Dave. We know this is fantasy and you are much less likely to F' up the draft than Greasy Al.

I like the Edwards pick. Detroit needed to come out of the draft with a developmental QB and Evans has potential

[Florida_Bronco]

Thats OK Dave. We know this is fantasy and you are much less likely to F' up the draft than Greasy Al.

I like the Edwards pick. Detroit needed to come out of the draft with a developmental QB and Evans has potential

Thanks. I had my eye on several other QB's, but ultimately decided that Edwards was the best one for the Lions needs.

[watermock]

I figured Edwards would fall before I could get him.

[youcandoit1687]

I figured Edwards would fall before I could get him.

Hey mock, just to be safe, why don't you just cross his name off of whatever list you have going or maybe a huge postit note on your computer. You may think it is a steal in the 7th round but Edwards has already been selected.

[Kaylore]

I've gone over the draft thus far and it seems to me that a number of people reached quite a bit and seemed to do so for mostly defensive players. In fact I think our whole draft is too heavy on the defensive side of the ball. Am I the only one that thinks this?

[youcandoit1687]

I've gone over the draft thus far and it seems to me that a number of people reached quite a bit and seemed to do so for mostly defensive players. In fact I think our whole draft is too heavy on the defensive side of the ball. Am I the only one that thinks this?


Meh, I chose Lawrence Timmons with #27, Justin Harrell with #50, and Fred Bennett with #77. Timmons and Harrell were definite steals while Fred Bennett may have been a slight reach but has potential to climb up boards as well. There have been plenty of reaches but that is natural just like there are tumblers. IMO, nothing out of the ordinary.

[Arkie]

Defense is winning 54 to 36 over the offense in this draft.

[SoCalBronco]

I've gone over the draft thus far and it seems to me that a number of people reached quite a bit and seemed to do so for mostly defensive players. In fact I think our whole draft is too heavy on the defensive side of the ball. Am I the only one that thinks this?

I think the draft may be tilted towards defense because outside of the WR position, basically every position on the offensive side of the ball is not really that deep.

[DBroncos4life]

Florida you suck!!!!! I was really trying to figure out if I could package my last three picks to move up to draft Edwards. I have a feeling after the combine hype will be all over this guy.

[BlitzingDog]

I think the draft may be tilted towards defense because outside of the WR position, basically every position on the offensive side of the ball is not really that deep.

There are some very good WR's left right now. If I am drafting in round 4 and have the slighest need at WR I am hitting it up this round. Great value for day two at WR.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I've gone over the draft thus far and it seems to me that a number of people reached quite a bit and seemed to do so for mostly defensive players. In fact I think our whole draft is too heavy on the defensive side of the ball. Am I the only one that thinks this?

Agree. I think it is a result of Bronco Fans wishes - see post 580.

[Florida_Bronco]

Agree. I think it is a result of Bronco Fans wishes - see post 580.

That's weird. I, myself, tried to draft only for the Lions needs.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

That's weird. I, myself, tried to draft only for the Lions needs.

I don't doubt that, but everyone has been studying players at the positions the board thinks the Broncos should draft. I think it is just a matter of familiarity that the draft is slanted so much.

[Florida_Bronco]

I don't doubt that, but everyone has been studying players at the positions the board thinks the Broncos should draft. I think it is just a matter of familiarity that the draft is slanted so much.

Good point.

[Jens1893]

That's weird. I, myself, tried to draft only for the Lions needs.

So have I, but I could probably make an argument that every position is a position of need for the Texans.

[SpringStein]

That's weird. I, myself, tried to draft only for the Lions needs.

Cardinals desperately need help on the OL (and I took Joe Thomas in the first) but they need help all along the defensive front 7 and at S. So I don't apologize for 2 of 3 picks being on the D. :~ohyah!:

[Drek]

Agree. I think it is a result of Bronco Fans wishes - see post 580.

Eh, I just got the Bears taking best value. I'd love to draft by a specific need but I don't see any they really have. Younger OL talent? A bit more LB depth? Not worth passing up talents like Nelson or Francis. I wanted Bowe, they need a big posession WR, but after him I don't like many of the other first day guys in that role and they've got plenty of speed threats.

Short of Grossman becoming a different QB though there isn't a lot the Bears can do to improve quickly, better to stock up on talent that'll keep their D elite.

[-Slap-]

I can't even remember who I picked anymore. This thing is losing steam fast.

[DBroncos4life]

I don't doubt that, but everyone has been studying players at the positions the board thinks the Broncos should draft. I think it is just a matter of familiarity that the draft is slanted so much.

I don't really believe that I've been doing that. I looked at Victor Abiamiri as a guy that could play DE/OLB in the 3-4. He has a good frame on him already and if he could add 10 pounds and get to 280 and not lose speed then I got a guy that can replace Kimo von Oelhoffen who is 36 years old and not a great pass rusher. I also believe that Ross can step in right away and replace David Barrett and Justin Miller as the starter. Miller was a value pick too me. Teaming him with Baker gives the Jets another weapon on O.

Either way I think the Jets are a young team 2 starters over 30 on O (both on the line) and 1 on D. Thats just my opinion on the matter. :)

[Jens1893]

you just robbed yourself of the chance to get zac taylor as a udfa, db ... the jets now have pennington, clemens (a 2nd round pick in 06) and edwards

[DBroncos4life]

you just robbed yourself of the chance to get zac taylor as a udfa, db ... the jets now have pennington, clemens (a 2nd round pick in 06) and edwards

Edwards? I didn't draft him. The Jets have Ramsey still though. I really don't know much about Clemens but because they drafted him in the second they must like him. Don't worry though if Taylor is there I will get him :P

[Jens1893]

Edwards? I didn't draft him. The Jets have Ramsey still though. I really don't know much about Clemens but because they drafted him in the second they must like him. Don't worry though if Taylor is there I will get him :P

i am officially an idiot, sorry. i just thought youd changed your strategy and decided not to take any bugeater you possibly could. :flower:

[DBroncos4life]

i am officially an idiot, sorry. i just thought youd changed your strategy and decided not to take any bugeater you possibly could. :flower:

I would have drafted Carriker, he fits the 3-4 DE better but he was gone. Other then that I didn't want to seem like a Homer. Like people didn't know that already. Ha!

[Northman]

There are some very good WR's left right now. If I am drafting in round 4 and have the slighest need at WR I am hitting it up this round. Great value for day two at WR.


Really? You should shoot me a pm and give me some ideas who you think are worth taking at this point. I dont have a pick this round but i will be trying to look at WR soon. ;D

[BlitzingDog]

PM sent.

[BlitzingDog]

Although at this rate your 5th rounder will probably come up in April. :p

[SpringStein]

Although at this rate your 5th rounder will probably come up in April. :p


At 10:20 am Mountain Time LB52's time will be up.

And Slap will be up with SoCal on deck.

[BlitzingDog]

Heck I don't think the Colts GM is going to make his pick for rd 3 til the end of this mock. Maybe we will get the Colts 3rd rounder for OM mock draft 07 in 2008. :)

[-Slap-]

At 10:20 am Mountain Time LB52's time will be up.

And Slap will be up with SoCal on deck.

I got my boy locked and loaded.

See you in two hours.

[SpringStein]

I got my boy locked and loaded.

See you in two hours.


If you take my pick, I may have to SLAP you!!

[BlitzingDog]

If you guys need a Colts GM til u here from ozo, here I am. :)

[Rohirrim]

Damn! Bronco LB52 took my guy! I'll get you for this... ;D

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

While I think Justin Harrell will turn out to be the best DT in this draft - think Jumpy Geathers. Johnson is exactly the kind of guy Slap would like - tough as nails and a hard worker. If Broncs got him, I would be very pleased.

[Kaylore]

We're officially on the second day. Can we vote to reduce the time allotted to make each pick? It's ridicules that it's taking so long and we're on round four.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

We're officially on the second day. Can we vote to reduce the time allotted to make each pick? It's ridicules that it's taking so long and we're on round four.

I'll second that motion.

[SpringStein]

I'll second that motion.

A third from this corner.

[bpc]

While I think Justin Harrell will turn out to be the best DT in this draft - think Jumpy Geathers. Johnson is exactly the kind of guy Slap would like - tough as nails and a hard worker. If Broncs got him, I would be very pleased.


I wouldn't mind if Denver landed both he and Mebane on day 1. If our guys are gone at 21 and we don't trade up, we should free fall back into the 2nd and pick up two big studs at DT. I think Harrell is flying under the radar because of his tricep injury but he could have been a late 1st rounder if healthy. As that is, he is probably a mid 2nd unless somebody falls in love with him.

I would be down for picking up Any combination of Michael Griffin, Josh Gattis, Justin Harrell, Brandon Mebane or Dan Bazuin. I think all of these guys are really going to bring some talent with them.

[Rohirrim]

A fourth on that motion. How about six hours?

[bpc]

I'm all about moving up the speed of this thing. We were motoring and then hit a gap that took over a day.

Oddly enough we are waiting on Socal who usually leaves his computer logged into this discussion area.

[Jens1893]

A fourth on that motion. How about six hours?

I wouldn´t mind, but if we could work out a solution for me and eddiemac, that´d be greatly appreciated as we´re in totally different time zones and I think it´d be a little unfair to us if our clock was from, say midnight to 6 am local time (that´s 8pm to midnight Eastern). I am on here every day and make my pick as soon as I´m on, so it´d really appreciate it if you could cut the 2 European mockers a break.

[bpc]

True, the night can be troublesome.

[-Slap-]

Take it down to 12 hours. The 18 hour thing wasn't the greatest idea we ever had.

[eddie mac]

Take it down to 12 hours. The 18 hour thing wasn't the greatest idea we ever had.

I agree with that. I think we went down to 12 hrs after the 1st rd last year or maybe the 2nd.

[SoCalBronco]

The community has spoken....12 hours it is from here on out.

[WABronco]

BLEEPIN BLEEPIN BLEEEEEEEP! Thanks a lot SoCal

[Mediator12]

Awesome selection Slap. Johnson is the perfect complement at DT. He has a lot of ceiling and his floor is not as low as I think people have him projected.

Wow, then Socal gets the other DT I had hoped Slap was after. Nice selection draft value nerd ;D

Bman, there are two of the other Tackles I was talking about. In the right system, they will be very good players. Just not any one gap scheme's.

[bpc]

Anybody have a chance to see Solai play yet? Any info about this guy?

[SpringStein]

I have always been impressed.

[Broncoman13]

Anybody have a chance to see Solai play yet? Any info about this guy?

I thought he was great. I'm just not sold on him being an NFL caliber DT. Time will tell.

Antonio Johnson I've not seen much of... and I've watched 4 or 5 Ole Miss games in the past two years b/c of Willis. To be fair though, he was probably clearing Willis to make all of those tackles! Still, considering he seems to have good triangle #'s... he didn't have a single sack in 06 and has only 2.5 for his career. I think I like Keith Jackson a little bit better than both of those guys... Jackson's height really hurts him though.

[BlitzingDog]

The Miss player after Willis that has always impressed me the most is LB Rory Johnson.

[SoCalBronco]

Folks, I have a question for you.

It has been a few days and Ozo still has not made his pick. Originally (as noted in the first post in the picks thread) I had the rule as we would only replace a poster if they had still not made their pick two weeks after their clock time had ended, since sometimes there can be emergencies and people are sometimes away for a few days. Do you think that is too long? How long do you guys think we should wait before substituting in a new poster?

[watermock]

This sounds like a job for Matt Millen.

I'm fine with that. I vote SoCal can pick if he's not back for a week or his pick comes up again, witchever is first.

[SpringStein]

My opinion is to let someone else pick for Ozo as it "compromises" the rest of the draft when that team has not selected. Hopefully Ozo is OK, and if he comes back and wants to pick the team back up he has that option. But if he misses another pick, then he's chosen to drop out.

JMO

[-Slap-]

I thought he was great. I'm just not sold on him being an NFL caliber DT. Time will tell.

Antonio Johnson I've not seen much of... and I've watched 4 or 5 Ole Miss games in the past two years b/c of Willis. To be fair though, he was probably clearing Willis to make all of those tackles! Still, considering he seems to have good triangle #'s... he didn't have a single sack in 06 and has only 2.5 for his career. I think I like Keith Jackson a little bit better than both of those guys... Jackson's height really hurts him though.

Johnson played at Mississippi State.

[Jens1893]

WR isn´t a big need for Houston, but Eric Moulds isn´t a spring chicken and Higgins is just too good to pass up in Round 4 IMO.

[JCMElway]

As far as missing your pick goes, I say replacing someone 48 hours after their draft time expires is more than generous. That gives someone 3 whole days to check the Mane to see what's going on. When you sign up for an activity like this on the Mane, you owe it to everyone else involved to do your part and keep up with it. If you can't keep up with the draft, the least you can do is shoot Socal a PM saying that you don't have the time.

Family emergencies do happen and internet pasttimes become less important during these times. I certainly hope this is not the case here and that Ozo and all of his loved ones are safe and sound. However, since we have not heard from him (and he hasn't posted in almost two weeks) it's time to give the Colts to someone else.

my .02....

[-Slap-]

I agree.

[Northman]

As far as missing your pick goes, I say replacing someone 48 hours after their draft time expires is more than generous. That gives someone 3 whole days to check the Mane to see what's going on. When you sign up for an activity like this on the Mane, you owe it to everyone else involved to do your part and keep up with it. If you can't keep up with the draft, the least you can do is shoot Socal a PM saying that you don't have the time.

Family emergencies do happen and internet pasttimes become less important during these times. I certainly hope this is not the case here and that Ozo and all of his loved ones are safe and sound. However, since we have not heard from him (and he hasn't posted in almost two weeks) it's time to give the Colts to someone else.

my .02....



I agree with this post.

[Rohirrim]

I agree.

[Breck Bronc]

With my first fourth round pick I was hoping to nab either Manny Ramirez, Marshall Yanda or Tim Duckworth. They all went right before my pick so I instead went with what I thought was the BPA at that point in Chansi Stuckey. The Falcons do have need at WR with only Micheal Jenkins, Roddy White and Brian Finneran as established receivers on the roster. Let's face it, those guys are not very good, no matter how much Vick struggles to throw accurate passes.

I think Stuckey will be a good slot WR and will be valuable on end-arounds and other misdirection/trick plays. He's also a good returner, although the Falcons already have Alan Rossum entrenched there.

[BlitzingDog]

damn I was hoping I would take over as Colts GM before someone took Stuckey b/c that was gonna be their 3rd round pick if I was :(, nice pick!

at this rate if I get the team I can probably draft a round 7 value in Rd 3. :)

[Requiem]

Those are three awesome WR selections. I was talking over on Broncomania how I'd consider those guys somewhere in the third, especially Higgins, because of his return ability. Great value selections.

[BlitzingDog]

and my #2 pick for the Colts is now gone, by this time if I take over the Colts I can probably get someone like Marquay McDaniels Hampton WR for my 3rd rd pick. :D

[SoCalBronco]

If you guys want to shorten the time before replacement that is fine, there seems to be a consensus about that, I do think 48 hours after the team's clock expired is a bit harsh, so we will go with 72 hours after the team's clock expired instead. Indianapolis's clock expired almost 5 days ago, which is well over the 72 hour rule, so we will be substituting in BlitzingDog as the new GM of the Colts per his request for the position. He can make the Colts 3rd round pick at any time.

[BlitzingDog]

Cool, if he comes back and wants them that is fine with me, but since I follow this thing if you need a replacement I am here. Ill post the pick in the other thread in one min.

[bpc]

I feel great about the depth at WR. So much so that if this much is sliding back to later rounds, I wouldn't even worry about drafting one early UNLESS it was Jarrett, Ginn or Johnson... most likely none of those will happen. I'm open to Bowe as well but we have a real chance to capitalize on the talent in this WR class. We are sitting pretty if we choose to go WR in the 3rd round. Stuckey, Hill, Steven Smith, Allison and Higgins could all be had around there.

1st Round - Carriker or Griffin
2nd Round - MAKE A PLAY FOR Brandon Mebane or Justin Harrell... hell, make a play for both...
3rd Round A - I would be cool with Harrell if he slides here or Josh Gattis - S from WF... look hard at Dan Bazuin or Higgins.
3rd Round B - Another talented player to our mix...

We could go in a bunch of different directions. We seem to be in a very enviable position.

[WABronco]

OLSEN VAULTS INTO THE TOP 15
A league source with a team that has been eyeing Miami tight end Greg Olsen is convinced based on his performance at the combine on Saturday that he'll be selected among the top fifteen picks.
"When a tight end can run like that," said the source, "he goes high."
Olsen currently isn't in our mock draft. He'll definitely be there next time around, possibly to the Panthers at No. 14.


Boooyaaa!

[bpc]

Tough to say with Olsen though... he has the triangle numbers. You would have loved to see more production from him but it is hard to say that it wasn't the offense or the QB Miami had in place.

Good... if this is true, lets keep bumping the talent back. I just can't see TE penetrating the top 20.

[SoCalBronco]

Tough to say with Olsen though... he has the triangle numbers. You would have loved to see more production from him but it is hard to say that it wasn't the offense or the QB Miami had in place.

Good... if this is true, lets keep bumping the talent back. I just can't see TE penetrating the top 20.

He doesnt deserve to be a top 15 pick...he does have good skills but you are right on the production. I give him a little slack since he played with Wright and Freeman, but he still made alot of mistakes himself especially with drops at inoppurtune times. He needs to do alot of work as a blocker too.

[Kaylore]

He doesnt deserve to be a top 15 pick...he does have good skills but you are right on the production. I give him a little slack since he played with Wright and Freeman, but he still made alot of mistakes himself especially with drops at inoppurtune times. He needs to do alot of work as a blocker too.

I defer to SoCal and Breck Bronco on all things Miami. I don't believe in using top 20 picks on tight ends and generally squirm at the notion of using a first rounder in general.

[Breck Bronc]

Shockey and Winslow were so much better at Miami than Olsen it's not even close. I think a late-1st or early-2nd is where Greg should be taken. I saw too many perfect passes dropped by him in the last two seasons for my taste. He was pretty good in 2004 with Brock Berlin before getting hurt. Maybe his wrist injury that year has hurt his confidence in catching live balls in games?

[BlitzingDog]

To me Olsen has a ton of potential, and I wouldn't fault a team for drafting him on that, but to me he is also a one game wonder. SOPH year vs FSU, smart choice to come out in a weak TE draft however. Can't say he has impressed me but I know he has a ton of upside.

[bpc]

Just saw Carriker measure in...

296 pounds and he looks like he has no flab. Jesus. Guys like him are the reason i'm not playing anymore.

[WABronco]

Did they show Moses? He's up to 261 (from 249 at the Senior Bowl), and still has nice size potential.

[Broncoman13]

SOCAL!!!! You took my WR! I had you pegged for Johnson. Was looking to trade up so I could grab him. He's going to climb the boards a little bit in the next few months. I'd say you got him about 15-20 picks later than what he'll actually go in April. Good pick, good value, MY GUY!

[Kaylore]

Did they show Moses? He's up to 261 (from 249 at the Senior Bowl), and still has nice size potential.

Vermeil really liked him.

[Broncoman13]

If he was an offensive player and Vermeil liked him I'd be more inclined to say that was a good thing... considering his defensive drafting habits while at KC... NAW!

[DBroncos4life]

Just saw Carriker measure in...

296 pounds and he looks like he has no flab. Jesus. Guys like him are the reason i'm not playing anymore.

The guy's arms are bigger then his head. He is a freak.

[bpc]

At my best I was about 285 with 20 " arms but I had a healthy tire on my gut spread out by my 6'3" frame. The guy is 6'6", 296 and he has frickin abs. The guy is going to be a rock in the middle of the LOS.

The more I think about it, the more I'm okay with going DL, DL, DL, DL with our first four picks, or OL, OL, OL, OL.

We have million dollar players sitting at LB and CB on defense, and QB on offense. We might as well start investing some resources into protecting those guys above all else.

[elsid13]

At my best I was about 285 with 20 " arms but I had a healthy tire on my gut spread out by my 6'3" frame. The guy is 6'6", 296 and he has frickin abs. The guy is going to be a rock in the middle of the LOS.

The more I think about it, the more I'm okay with going DL, DL, DL, DL with our first four picks, or OL, OL, OL, OL.

We have million dollar players sitting at LB and CB on defense, and QB on offense. We might as well start investing some resources into protecting those guys above all else.

I wonder if Carriker would better suited as DT then an end. Interesting to see what his 20 yard shuttle and his 3 cone drill will be.

[-Slap-]

SOCAL!!!! You took my WR! I had you pegged for Johnson. Was looking to trade up so I could grab him. He's going to climb the boards a little bit in the next few months. I'd say you got him about 15-20 picks later than what he'll actually go in April. Good pick, good value, MY GUY!

What happened to him last year?

[Kaylore]

SOCAL!!!! You took my WR! I had you pegged for Johnson. Was looking to trade up so I could grab him. He's going to climb the boards a little bit in the next few months. I'd say you got him about 15-20 picks later than what he'll actually go in April. Good pick, good value, MY GUY!

That's how I felt about Aundrey Allison except someone reached for him in the third. I think he could be pretty good.

[Breck Bronc]

It's been well over 12 hours since Killericon and Buffalo have been on the clock. Hawk's Boys should be able to make their selection now, right?

[-Slap-]

Sounds good to me. Icon can jump back in at any time.

[Requiem]

Allison in the third isn't a reach, after running a sub 4.4 at the combine, it'll help him more when he was expected to be a 4.45 guy.

[Killericon]

Sorry, I was in Hawaii and just got back. Had a layover in Denver, guy in the Domestic Terminal wanted $85 USD for a Cutler Jersey!

Anyways, go ahead and mock my pick now...I just tried to go after the best WR left on the board.

[Jens1893]

Killericon, could you please add the player´s college as I dont really want to look it up all the time.

[SoCalBronco]

Killericon, could you please add the player´s college as I dont really want to look it up all the time.

It's Lane College.

[Killericon]

It's Lane College.

Thanks, I was elsewhere. I guess I should post Colleges with the picks, eh?

[Kaylore]

Allison in the third isn't a reach, after running a sub 4.4 at the combine, it'll help him more when he was expected to be a 4.45 guy.

Yeah, I really wanted him and he was ripping it up at the Senior Bowl. At the time no one knew he was that fast. This is also why I'd have liked to do this after the combine. Sooooo many things can change.

[elsid13]

Some of you are taking the mock draft way to seriously. I got 5 reps asking me not to mention some guys' name anymore because they don't want anyone else to know about him. People it is just a Mock ;D

[watermock]

John Beck's arm is so strong that.....
** Here were my favorite responses to the "John Beck's arm is so strong" question: **

John Beck's arm is so strong he's being drafted by the Department of Defense. They plan to give him a box of rocks and let him take care of missile defense.
- Jay

Beck's arm is so strong he needs a permit when he goes out in public in most states. Also, his recievers must sign an injury waiver before catching any passes from him. That way, if there are any fatalitites, Beck is exempt from punishment.
- CorNeil

John Beck's arm is so strong that his BYU coaches did not allow him to spike the ball to stop the clock. They feared the ball would travel to the Earth's core and destroy the planet.
- A-Town

John Beck's arm is so strong, he must be careful or the ball will achieve escape velocity. NASA has barred John Beck from throwing passes when the shuttle is in orbit.
- Eric K

John Beck's arm is so strong that he once pitched all 9 innings in a baseball game using a shot-put.
- JBZ


Okay guys, here is your chance to really make a difference with this blog. This is your opportunity to finish this sentence:

BYU QB John Beck's arm is so strong that.....

With all of the BYU fans coming over here in Beck's defense (even though nobody has really questioned his arm strength other than John Harris and Beck even admitted he didn't throw the ball with the type of velocity that he could because he wanted his ball to be more catchable), I thought it would only be prudent for everyone to share their best stories regarding Beck's arm strength.

I'll start:

John Beck's arm is so strong that I once saw him throw an album through a telephone pole.

It happened innocently enough after Wednesday's Shrine Bowl practice when Beck and Iowa's Drew Tate were chatting about tornadoes. Beck said that he had heard stories about tornado winds being so strong that they could literally take straw from a bail of hay and pierce a telephone pole with it. Of course, Tate said there was no way that was possible, but Beck insisted that it was true. Tate of course demanded proof. Beck was holding his helmet in one hand and an old Dan Fogelberg album in the other and he looked Tate in the eyes and said "watch this".

He handed Tate his helmet and then walked about 15 feet forward towards a telephone pole that was near Kirby. Now keep in mind that this pole was still at least 60 yards away. Beck kneeled down on both knees, cocked his powerful right arm back and threw the album with such ferocity that his arm popped out of socket. The album traveled with such velocity that I couldn't even see it but instead I heard a loud "whack". Everyone in the parking lot ran towards the telephone pole and sure enough, the album had gone half way through the pole.

John Beck's arm is so strong that.....
** Here were my favorite responses to the "John Beck's arm is so strong" question: **

John Beck's arm is so strong he's being drafted by the Department of Defense. They plan to give him a box of rocks and let him take care of missile defense.
- Jay

Beck's arm is so strong he needs a permit when he goes out in public in most states. Also, his recievers must sign an injury waiver before catching any passes from him. That way, if there are any fatalitites, Beck is exempt from punishment.
- CorNeil

John Beck's arm is so strong that his BYU coaches did not allow him to spike the ball to stop the clock. They feared the ball would travel to the Earth's core and destroy the planet.
- A-Town

John Beck's arm is so strong, he must be careful or the ball will achieve escape velocity. NASA has barred John Beck from throwing passes when the shuttle is in orbit.
- Eric K

John Beck's arm is so strong that he once pitched all 9 innings in a baseball game using a shot-put.
- JBZ


Okay guys, here is your chance to really make a difference with this blog. This is your opportunity to finish this sentence:

BYU QB John Beck's arm is so strong that.....

[Rohirrim]

I just had to put Piscitelli on the East Rutherford Giants. With a name like Sabby Piscitelli, he's got to play in front of New Yorkers. I can already hear the warm embrace of the New York fans: "Hey, Piscitelli! You suck!" ;D

[bpc]

I petition to have Eddie Mac and Rohim moved away out of the draft spots before me! :)

Nice picks, both guys and they were both on my short list for my selection.

I saw some film of Sabby against UH and Boise State... that guy looks just like a skinnier version of John Lynch on the field. I hate to sound cliche about it because it was thrown out there just because he was 6'3, white and played safety. His demeanor, manorisms, and movement all are the same. He makes plays too. I don't know if he has exactly the same pop but he will be a good football player on the next level.

[bpc]

Man, what a tough choice the last selection was! I have a bunch of guys just sitting there that I really really like but I could only go with one. To be honest though, he was my guy from the very start and from the film I've watched... I think he is going to be a steal. He easily reminds me of Steve Hutchinson from the Vikings. Just a mean nasty player with a foul disposition. He'll knock your ass off play, after play, after play. Isn't the best athletically but he is just one of those guys you want fighting for yards and protecting your QB.

I think when it is all said and done, he could be one of the guys that people look back on this draft and say... "how did he slide all the way until the 4th round?" Much like an Olin Kruetz right now. I HOPE DENVER TAKES A LOOK AT THIS GUY. He would help us tremendously.

[bpc]

Here is an article I really liked about Nathan Bennett, LG, Clemson.

CLEMSON -- Nathan Bennett is a throwback, a big old boy from Georgia with a slow drawl and a ready smile who knows only one way to play football -- with his heart.

Occasionally he has pushed the envelope, but his passion has become especially useful as Clemson University's rushing game comes to flower.

That 324-yard, seven-touchdown rushing performance against the University of North Carolina -- one that right tackle Marion Dukes called a "show me game" -- was the byproduct of five-year's work by four of the five starters on the offensive line.

"That's a mean position, a nasty position," coach Tommy Bowden said, "but the game needs to be played that way from tackle to tackle."

And Bennett, the left guard, can be the meanest and nastiest.

"I guess I was raised a little different," he said Tuesday. "My coaches in high school always told me never to take anything off anybody.

"I took that to heart my first couple of years. I didn't take nothing off coaches, teachers, nobody," he said. "I didn't know they just meant other players."

When Bennett visited Clemson during his senior year at Paulding County High School, he wound up in a fight while defending quarterback Charlie Whitehurst.

"Me and him hit it off pretty good," Bennett said. "I thought, 'If I'm coming here, and I'm going to block for him, I ought to start taking up for him now.' "

Straight-faced, Bowden joked that Bennett will fight "if you breathe wrong."

"He's from Dallas, Ga., which is North Georgia," Bowden said. "Obviously they legalized fighting on the weekends up there for 48 hours."

Bennett said that it's how he learned to play the game.

"We ran the wishbone in high school, and I probably pass-blocked about eight times," he said. "I didn't know how to pass-block when I got here."

He learned enough to start as a third-year sophomore and entered this season with more playing experience than any of the other five starters, but only two seasons ago the Tigers opened with a senior left tackle who hadn't played a down.

"I think the funny thing is, I think most of them thought they arrived already," said line coach Brad Scott, recalling that season. "As they found out when more responsibility was put on their shoulders, we had a long way to go."

Clemson averaged 107.5 yards rushing that season, the most unproductive of Bowden's tenure, yet through four games this season the Tigers are averaging nearly twice that number to rank among the national leaders.

Scott said it's satisfying to see his guys enjoy a measure of success, even if it's only four games into the season.

"These kids play with a passion. They've got a great sense of pride," Scott said. "They've taken upon themselves thus far to get out and make things happen. That's what I was most proud of Saturday."

It certainly helps to have backs the caliber of James Davis, who scored four touchdowns against North Carolina, but the linemen don't mind living vicariously through his success.

"It's pride. That showed we played hard, we played nasty, we played tough. We're playing as a unit," Dukes said. "We came out on every drive and we wanted to make a statement."

With the starters on the field, the Tigers opened against UNC with a 90-yard touchdown drive in 12 plays -- two passes -- and capped it with an 82-yarder in seven plays -- two passes.

"I love being able to run-block when you can chew up the clock," said center Dustin Fry. "It means we're getting the job done."

There have been times this season -- first down and goal on the 3 at Boston College in overtime -- when they wondered if the coaches weren't convinced.

"Used to be on third-and-one coach would call a sprint-out pass or something like that," Bennett said. "You'd look at the sideline.

"It kind of takes your manhood away from you."

But with the game on the line at Florida State, they blew open a hole for the winning touchdown.

"We wanted to run it up the gut," Fry said. "If this offensive line is supposed to be who they are, then we need to see right now.

"We turned to each other, 'Hey, we need to score.' "

As their reputation grows, Bennett hopes he becomes more anonymous than infamous.

"I've tried to get away from that," he said. "I try not to fight on the field no more. I don't feel I've got to prove nothing else by fighting, but I will.

"If I see a cheap shot on the quarterback, that kind of upsets me and sticks with me. You've got to visit the guy who did that at least one time before the game's over."

[Rohirrim]

Sounds like my kind of lineman. ;D

[BlitzingDog]

Nice picks on Marten and Bennett.

[BlitzingDog]

and CJ Gaddis, dunno why he isn't getting more love, I think if he runs well he will sky. He is a converted S, who hits and tackles like a S and covers like a CB. :)

[Rohirrim]

I think Marten will be the real deal. I still like Mike Otto, though. Even though he isn't being considered a "star" by anybody. I've been watching the combine, and these guys like Thomas, Staley, etc. have that "V" body shape that lineman never used to have. Otto looks like a beer keg with two arms coming out of it. But in the drill the other day where one lineman tries to stop another from getting past him between two cones, Otto is the only one I saw (while playing the defensive player) who was fast enough to bust around his man and get through. They made them do the drill over again. He's big (305) and has very quick feet.

[-Slap-]

Damn! Big Guy snatched James Marten away from me. I traded all the way up from 163 to 120, but I missed my mauler by half a dozen picks.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Carolina's biggest need is LOT. I was set to take Levi Brown in round one, but Kaylore grabbed him. Based on his combine performance, it appears Brown will need to play the right side. I had Marten and Free as the next two left tackles. Still a couple of good prospects out there for both the left and right side.

[WABronco]

Marten was mentioned in connection with Denver. Nice developmental guy.

This is sweet though. Two of my top targets are still available. I'm getting one of them.

[-Slap-]

Carolina's biggest need is LOT. I was set to take Levi Brown in round one, but Kaylore grabbed him. Based on his combine performance, it appears Brown will need to play the right side. I had Marten and Free as the next two left tackles. Still a couple of good prospects out there for both the left and right side.

I like Marten because he's your typical mean sonofab**** of a BC lineman. All the defensive linemen who drilled against him at the Senior Bowl practices hated him. I think he'll fill out and become an asskicker of a right tackle at the very least.

I'm looking in a different direction @ 120 now. I don't think any of the offensive linemen left on the board are worthy of that spot.

[Kaylore]

Carolina's biggest need is LOT. I was set to take Levi Brown in round one, but Kaylore grabbed him.
He was actually not my first choice at that spot, but at the time made the most sense for where I was at. I didn't want to reach and the Jags line sucks horribly.

[BlitzingDog]

Do people believe in proxy lists around here? :)

[watermock]

Sounds like my kind of lineman. ;D

Bobo is drooling.

[WABronco]

really like how my draft has gone so far...

I've addressed multiple need areas, and gotten great value on all three. For where I was pickin', I'm happy with the way things have gone so far.

[JCMElway]

Damn you Roh! I was hoping Sabby would slip to the Steelers. Ah well, C was a glaring need for this team and getting Kyle Young in the 4th round is a bargain. It seems that he slipped because of his off field problems. I wouldn't want to waste a 2nd rounder on a head case, but we'll take a roll of the dice in the 4th round on a potential franchise center.

Besides, Tomlin is a players coach and should be able to mold a kid like this.

[JCMElway]

Ah. Just saw that we are now on the 12 hour clock instead of 18. That would be why I missed my pick!

WA Bronco, thank you very much for not stealing my guy while I was on my way to the podium. If Young and Piscatelli were gone I may have done something violent! ;)

[WABronco]

WA Bronco, thank you very much for not stealing my guy while I was on my way to the podium. If Young and Piscatelli were gone I may have done something violent! ;)

No problem.

I was considering him as interior depth, but didn't rank as high on my need-list.

[JCMElway]

No problem.

I was considering him as interior depth, but didn't rank as high on my need-list.

I can see how Pittsburgh would have a greater need for C then Seattle would. Hartings retiring is leaving a huge hole in their O-Line.

[DBroncos4life]

This thing is still going on. :)

[Killericon]

really like how my draft has gone so far...

I've addressed multiple need areas, and gotten great value on all three. For where I was pickin', I'm happy with the way things have gone so far.

Leon Hall's becoming less popular by the minute, and Beason may have been a reach, but all round, I'm happy.

[SoCalBronco]

Very nice sleeper CB, Finkle.

Breck with a solid guard prospect as well.

[Breck Bronc]

Damn, I've been waiting hours to make my pick with one player in mind, then the Seahawks go and take Baraka Atkins right out from under me! I had to go to Plan B. How often do you get to draft a player named Mansfield? Hopefully he will thrive in the same NFL city as he went to college.

The Falcons have a ton of holes on their roster and I think I filled a few with 5 picks in the first 4 rounds. Secondary and offensive line were my two main concerns and I got 4 of them.

[Jens1893]

Really funny to see how things go in waves. Nine of the 18 players taken in the fourth round are O-Liners ... it was just like people were waiting for someone to open the floodgate.

Alabama State has now had 1 more player selected in this Mock than their big brother from Tuscaloosa.

[-Slap-]

Damn, I've been waiting hours to make my pick with one player in mind, then the Seahawks go and take Baraka Atkins right out from under me! I had to go to Plan B. How often do you get to draft a player named Mansfield? Hopefully he will thrive in the same NFL city as he went to college.

The Falcons have a ton of holes on their roster and I think I filled a few with 5 picks in the first 4 rounds. Secondary and offensive line were my two main concerns and I got 4 of them.

Okay, check out my sob story. I lost the top three names on my list in a six pick span.

I traded up to 120 hoping to land OT James Marten, but Big Guy took Marten @ 114.

My fallback plan was Baraka Atkins, but WABronco took him out from under both of us.

I like your Mansfield Wrotto selection, but actually had him on my radar @ 148.

So, what happens? Ray Finkle eliminates the third name on my list by snagging the coaches' son cornerback Michael Coe.

:oyvey:

I'm going to need some time to figure this out now. The pick will be up by midnight or first thing in the morning.

[watermock]

My draft strategy of reaching for players allready taken worked out great.

Jamaal Anderson
Daymion Hughes
Antonio Pittman
John Beck

Oh...I wasn't drafting for the Broncos?

[Rohirrim]

Damn you Roh! I was hoping Sabby would slip to the Steelers. Ah well, C was a glaring need for this team and getting Kyle Young in the 4th round is a bargain. It seems that he slipped because of his off field problems. I wouldn't want to waste a 2nd rounder on a head case, but we'll take a roll of the dice in the 4th round on a potential franchise center.

Besides, Tomlin is a players coach and should be able to mold a kid like this.

;D I think being a "head case" is a prerequisite for being a good center. Kind of like baseball catchers.

[Traveler]

Damn you Roh! I was hoping Sabby would slip to the Steelers. Ah well, C was a glaring need for this team and getting Kyle Young in the 4th round is a bargain. It seems that he slipped because of his off field problems. I wouldn't want to waste a 2nd rounder on a head case, but we'll take a roll of the dice in the 4th round on a potential franchise center.

Besides, Tomlin is a players coach and should be able to mold a kid like this.

Nice pick! Young was my target.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Slap got his fatties for the DL. LOL

Only issue is that I would be afraid of any player compared to Gabe Watson.

[WABronco]

Glad to see Baraka was such a popular name...

[ColoradoBuff]

Great pick of Steve Smith BPC. Killer value in end of the 4th!

[bpc]

This just in!!!!

St. Louis is back to the greatest show on turf!!! WE are going to run four wide all season!

Ha ha, just kidding. It sounds really crappy but I didn't want to take him. I have many more needs pressing. I had already taken Ginn in round 1 and this position which might not even be considered a NEED for the Rams but yet gets more talented. I had a myriad of players I was interested in and battled myself over but I just couldn't get away that the guy is probably a 2nd round talent now after he timed his 40 in the 4.44 range and the best player available. I've put myself in a great position with 3 picks in round 5 all pretty close together and also 3 picks in round 6 so I'm going to be bring some talent into camp to compete.

Hard to argue any WR position that adds Ginn and Smith to it through the draft which already has Bruce and Holt catching passes from Bulger.

[-Slap-]

Slap got his fatties for the DL. LOL


I would have been tarred and feathered if I would have come back to Denver without any big uglies.

[bpc]

Nice pick! Young was my target.

Yep, I had Young on my radar too although not for some time. The guy is a bulldog in the middle of the field. I was hoping him being out for the majority of this year would have eliminated some of his interest but I guess this was not the case! He got taken earlier than I would have selected him but good job anyways... any time on the second day a guy can provide great value.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Great pick BPC - now you can let Curtis sign with the Broncos. ;D

I think Smith is one of the most under rated players in this draft if you listen to the "experts". I bet he has a more productive career than at least one or two of the five talked about as first round choices.

[bpc]

I see Curtis going to Detroit to help out Martz. He will get a chance to contribute significantly and I think his offense suits Curtis perfectly. They have Roy Williams, Mike Williams and the safety they converted but to get that offense working, they need more guys that can open up the middle of the field with their route running. Roy can do that but Mike cannot.

Some people would argue Smith is a more complete WR than Jarrett. The situation with those two is similar to when Peter Warrick and Laverneous Coles were at FSU. Coles was a very good player who didn't get any of the spotlight from PW until the infamous shopping spree incident. A highly productive player like Smith who slipped into my lap is perfectly fine with me. He might play more than Ginn to start. Ginn needs to work on his route running. I don't think Smith will ever be an upper echelon guy... I think he would be a #2 at best. He will be that slippery WR who will doesn't get respected until he's already done his damage to your squad. I do like that he can work every area of the field. He can get deep and will work over the middle. I think of Hines Ward a little bit when I see him play. Very good attitude and not afraid to work, not respected very much.

He is a perfect fit in St. Louis where they have two of the hardest working WR's in the league with Holt and Bruce. He will work and succeed in this offense. Interesting to see how I would get all of them on the field at once.

[DBroncos4life]

I see Curtis going to Detroit to help out Martz. He will get a chance to contribute significantly and I think his offense suits Curtis perfectly. They have Roy Williams, Mike Williams and the safety they converted but to get that offense working, they need more guys that can open up the middle of the field with their route running. Roy can do that but Mike cannot.

Some people would argue Smith is a more complete WR than Jarrett. The situation with those two is similar to when Peter Warrick and Laverneous Coles were at FSU. Coles was a very good player who didn't get any of the spotlight from PW until the infamous shopping spree incident. A highly productive player like Smith who slipped into my lap is perfectly fine with me. He might play more than Ginn to start. Ginn needs to work on his route running. I don't think Smith will ever be an upper echelon guy... I think he would be a #2 at best. He will be that slippery WR who will doesn't get respected until he's already done his damage to your squad. I do like that he can work every area of the field. He can get deep and will work over the middle. I think of Hines Ward a little bit when I see him play. Very good attitude and not afraid to work, not respected very much.

He is a perfect fit in St. Louis where they have two of the hardest working WR's in the league with Holt and Bruce. He will work and succeed in this offense. Interesting to see how I would get all of them on the field at once.

Ha you took that from here.....

http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/10025987

[DBroncos4life]

Great pick BPC - now you can let Curtis sign with the Broncos. ;D

I think Smith is one of the most under rated players in this draft if you listen to the "experts". I bet he has a more productive career than at least one or two of the five talked about as first round choices.

To me Smith has alot of "Woods" in him. Very productive WR in college but will it carry over into the NFL. Woods was a complete WR coming out of college and look where that got him.

The one good thing I Smith might be faster, which won't hurt him at all. I like Steve Smith alot but after seeing what happened with Woods I won't jump on his banwagon. Fair or not its just how I feel about it.

[bpc]

To me Smith has alot of "Woods" in him. Very productive WR in college but will it carry over into the NFL. Woods was a complete WR coming out of college and look where that got him.

The one good thing I Smith might be faster, which won't hurt him at all. I like Steve Smith alot but after seeing what happened with Woods I won't jump on his banwagon. Fair or not its just how I feel about it.

I was a huge fan of Woods coming out. I thought he had hands like Cris Carter... film would agree. The only thing he didn't have was seperation speed which was one of his downfalls in the NFL. Smith timed very well, hitting a 4.44 and had the highest three cone speed in his group which bodes well for his being able to turn and run the tough routes.

Another thing that has really changed over the past few years is the attention to whether players have the passion and desire to succeed at the next level. I think Woods was asked if he could be doing anything, what would it be:

He responded with "i would be out fishing".

He played with that mentality too.

I doubt that from Smith. The guy has been an overachievers since he first stepped on campus, putting up big games from his freshman year all the way until the final whistle on his senior campaign.

I feel good about where I got him.

[Traveler]

Although Simpson has character issues, I selected Simpson with the intent on moving him to SS.

[BlitzingDog]

Simpson was my #1 target, nice pick.

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[Mediator12]

Simpson was my #1 target, nice pick.

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Simpson would be a great fit for the Colts, BD. They really need a SLB.

I had them in last years Draft and I got Bobby Carpenter in the first and then Addai in the second. If they had Carpenter, then you could go fishing elsewhere ;D Too bad Polian didn't get my e-mail.

[BlitzingDog]

HEHE Yes... I really thought Simpson fit the Colts need bad.... Perfect fit.

[bpc]

Better known for playing the LOBO position in the UNM defense that Brian Urlacher made famous, Black is a true blazer on the field. Measuring in at about 6'1", 230 lbs, he can hit his 4.4 speed in a hurry. Adept at putting pressure on the QB while blitzing, he also has managed to hit 100 tackles this season as well as intercepting 3 passes, two for TD's. He has homerun speed from anywhere on the field.

This is probably my favorite pick of the draft so far and I feel i've had some good ones. I think Black has pro bowl potential. I would consider his motor and speed along the level of Ray Lewis.

He is still learning to play within himself but turn on the film and you will see this guy dominating the LOS and the tempo in every game. A guy like Jim Haslett will love this guy.

I was worried because I had this guy as a sleeper in this draft but then he verified what I thought about him at the combine... he is a super athlete. So much so that I think he could play safety if he wanted to. He tested off the charts and i imagine he'll probably go round 2 or 3 during the real draft. I didn't want to miss any of my picks but i was willing to pay to move up and get this guy. I can only hope that Denver does the same. The guy is going to be good.

[SoCalBronco]

I can only hope that Denver does the same. The guy is going to be good.

We already have two weakside linebackers. Why add another?

[bpc]

Dude has hops...

[bpc]

We already have two weakside linebackers. Why add another?

Gotta look to see how high he goes but it would be silly not to take a guy because we think its not a need, especially if the guy is a true difference maker.

I'll be quite honest... of any player that i've seen, I think Black can play all three of the positions at linebacker. Could play safety for us too. The guy excels in coverage... registered three INT's and over 100 tackles. He is an athlete that will be a difference maker somewhere on the field. The guy is a mixture of Michael Bouleware except a lot more physical. His body can easily carry more weight.

[Rohirrim]

Damn bpc, you stole my LB. I had kept my mouth shut about this guy through this whole draft, but then he goes to the combine and runs a 4.4. I knew it was over. :oyvey:

[BlitzingDog]

I have a trade propsal from SoCal. I will only wait an hour to hear back from him. I accept if he comes back within the next hour, but if he hasn't picked by 9 CT I will just pick b/c I hate to hold this thing up.

[BlitzingDog]

Had a hard time passing on a very good CB still left. But I had to do it b/c Indy stock piled up on CB's the last three years. Cato June is likely gone, so OLB was a need.

[bpc]

Damn bpc, you stole my LB. I had kept my mouth shut about this guy through this whole draft, but then he goes to the combine and runs a 4.4. I knew it was over. :oyvey:

I had the guy as a major sleeper too... then I watched a few of his games and his speed, acceleration and ballhawking ability popped out at me. I didn't know what he ran but just figured he had great athletic ability and game speed. When the combine came, I was just hoping I would have enough time to grab him. Unfortunately things slowed down considerably and I just didn't want to risk an aging defense like TB or talent deprived one like Detroit to come in and snag my guy.

Good call on him though, the guy is a very good looking prospect. I consider him, Steve Smith, and Nathan Bennett all steals in round 4. They are guys who I think will be drafted much higher in April.

I'm excited because I'm loaded up on prospects still and I'm about 9 picks away from having 2 out of 3 selections.

[watermock]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:B-eCTldL6Ew5rM:http://guitarpickshop.com/tn_vaipink%2520pick.jpgCan a brother spare a pick?

[BlitzingDog]

Great pick on Tarell Brown, he was the CB I said after my pick that I was shocked he was still left. Had a terrible season but still will probably end up going day 1, had the Colts not stock piled so many day 1 CB's the last three picks I'd have taken him with my last pick. Great value.

[WABronco]

SOB!

My two top corner targets gone in back-to-back picks! back to the drawing board....

[Mediator12]

Socal knew there was NO WAY Brown got past me. He would have been the Icing on the cake for TB's defense rebuilding draft, but I can not complain.

Kenny Scott was the other guy I had targeted for my round four selection if I had not traded up to get Bradley. He has awesome physical skills and innate physicality for the position. Got to work against Calvin Johnson in practice so he has been playing against an NFL quality guy for the last three years. A definite value and final need pick.

[BlitzingDog]

Not that I expected him to be back at my pick, but I had about 8 guys I was deciding between on my last pick... bpc now has two of them, Tarell Brown and Kenny Scott two others taken, but I felt I didn't need to take another CB that hight with how many CB Colts have taken, was just great value. Nice pick on Walker bpc, I think he will be better than many think, and I think St. Louis is a great place for him.

[bpc]

One of the big things I wanted to do in this draft was shore up some positions on the roster that were really thin in depth. I picked Bennett and Black before Coakley and Timmerman got cut but I thought there would be a competition. Now they seem like a need...

Walker is a great pickup for St. Louis and I considered him earlier. I think he is the perfect backup to Jackson because you don't lose much with him in there versus Jackson. Both can run hard and catch the ball very well. I think at worst Walker is another Kevin Faulk, a guy with great hands out of the backfield. At best I think he could develop like Ahman Green did in Seattle and could provide great depth and trade bait for the future... very nice pick for me and St. Louis.

[Rohirrim]

Thought I'd give the Ivy League a shot with the DeOssie pick. The kid is a competitor, and smart (Brown U). Anyway, his dad played on the Giants and the family home is Canton. What's not to like?

Junior: Buck Buchanan Award finalist for the nation's top defensive player, presented by The Sports Network... Named First Team All-Ivy...Earned Third Team Associated Press All-American honors...First Team All-New England selection... Football Gazette Second Team All-American... An ECAC All-Star Selection...Led Brown with 80 tackles, 12 tackles for a loss, 5 quarterback sacks, one interception, one blocked kick and three forced fumbles despite missing three games (vs. URI, Dartmouth and Columbia)... Placed on the Ivy League Honor Roll four times... Named Ivy League Defensive Player of the Week for his performance in Brown's win over Cornell where he registered a career high 18 tackles, including 1.5 tackles for a loss... Made 13 tackles in a win over Penn...Made 11 tackles, including three tackles for a loss, vs. Georgetown...Also had 11 tackles and 3.5 tackles for a loss against Fordham...Came up big against Harvard, making 15 tackles, including 11 solo stops, three tackles for a loss and 2 quarterback sacks...Had 10 tackles against Princeton...Sophomore: First Team All-Ivy selection...Named Third Team All-American by the Football Gazette... Recorded a career high 16 tackles in a game twice during the season, against Penn and Columbia... First Team All-New England selection...Named the Ivy League Defensive Player of the Week vs. Yale when he registered 13 total tackles (five solo, eight assists), deflected Yale's first pass of the game in coverage that was picked off, leading to a Brown touchdown, and intercepted a pass at the goal line, making an acrobatic catch to deny a potential Yale score...Registered 98 tackles on the season including nine tackles for a loss and five sacks...His 98 tackles ranked fourth in the Ivy League... Intercepted a pass vs. Dartmouth and returned it 61 yards...Made 12 tackles vs. Cornell, including 10 solo stops...Freshman: Finished the season with 27 tackles and an interception...Registered three tackles and an interception against Penn...Had five tackles including a quarterback sack against Cornell...Tallied five tackles, one of which was for a loss, against Princeton... Compiled nine tackles, a quarterback sack, and forced a fumble in the Spring Game ...Secondary School Background: Graduated from Phillips Academy where he lettered in football and basketball...Named to the All-New England Prep Team...Eagle Tribune All Star...Football team captain his senior year...An Eagle Tribune All Star in basketball...Captained the basketball team his senior season...Made the Honor Roll...Personal: Zachary Robert DeOssie, born May 24, 1984...Son of Steve and Dianna DeOssie...Father, Steve, played in the NFL with Dallas, the New York Giants, the New York Jets, and the Patriots...Has two sisters, Christina and Nichole...Enjoys skiing and hanging out with friends...A Public Policy concentrator.

[Killericon]

If I had know that London Fletcher wasn't going to resign, I probably wouldn't have moved down, but this Waters kid could be a sleeper. If not, he'll be solid depth. He's a good fit in our system.

[youcandoit1687]

Nice pick on Spaeth, the Minnesota trophy winners don't get any love in drafts.

[JCMElway]

I usually don't pat my own back for any of the slections that I've made, but I'm stunned that Chris Henry was still available. (I'm half expecting to get a PM from SoCal telling me to pick again because Henry has already been selected.) I even went over the lists twice to make sure I was right.

I know that Henry did not have a stellar year on the gridiron, but thay may be attributable to a lack of touches for him at Arizona. His Combine numbers, however, will merit him as a day one selection.

Here are some articles about Henry at the Combine:

Stock rising

Chris Henry - running back

Henry went into the Combine as a wild-card selection. His size and athleticism suggested some team would select him during the April 28-29 event in New York, but his decision to leave Arizona after only three years of sparse experience raised questions.

Henry answered them with arguably the most complete physical performance of any running back. He tied Oklahoma's Adrian Peterson, the No. 1 prospect at the position, for the top times in the 40-yard dash (4.4 seconds) and the broad jump (10 feet, 7 inches).

Draft analysts say Henry surpassed his "best-case scenario" expectations and now could land as high as the early second round.

"He was fantastic," said Kyle Trembley, an analyst with draftclass.com. "The numbers basically say it all with Henry."

Henry stands a good chance of being drafted on the first day of the draft, consisting of rounds one through three, because his elite speed is coveted in running backs above any other attribute, Trembley said.

"In today's NFL, you need two running backs, because you can't rely on your main guy," he said. "Even in San Diego, you have LaDainian Tomlinson (the 2006 NFL Most Valuable Player), but you also have Michael Turner, who could start for most teams."

Robert Davis, an analyst for footballsfuture.com, said he anticipated Henry would wow league personnel with his timed running, and that his performance at least cemented a selection.

Wide receiver Syndric Steptoe, who joined Henry at the Combine, said he was impressed by what he saw.

"I was glad for him, because there's been a lot of people who've been downplaying him," Steptoe said. "He showed what he can do."

And:

Combine Results

Pro Day Results -- Rankings are in the RB groups
Combine Invite? Yes
Height: 51 1/2
Weight: 230
40 Yrd Dash: 4.40 (tied for 1st with Pittman, AP)
20 Yrd Dash: 2.56
10 Yrd Dash: 1.56

225 Lb. Bench Reps: 26
Vertical Jump: 36 (8th)
Broad Jump: 10'7" (1st)
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.16 (3rd overall)
60 shuttle: 11.51 (2nd)
3-Cone Drill: 6.96 (5th)

02/27/07 - NFL COMBINE: Former UA running back Chris Henry's blind leap into the NFL draft pool is beginning to look genius. Henry ran the 40-yard dash in 4.4 seconds in Sunday's NFL Draft Combine in Indianapolis. His times were tied with Oklahoma's Adrian Peterson and Ohio State's Antonio Pittman for fastest among tailbacks. Henry and Peterson also tied for the farthest broad jump at 10 feet 7 inches. Henry announced in December that he would forgo his senior season to pursue the NFL draft. The 6-foot, 230-pounder from Stockton, Calif., was hoping a solid performance at the combine would help allay some of the fears about his lack of game experience. Henry played sparingly in his first two seasons at the UA, and was solid — if unspectacular — as a junior. SportsIllustrated.com's Tony Pauline listed Henry among his "risers" after Sunday's showing. "As several scouts said, Henry made a lot of money for himself," Pauline wrote. - Arizona Daily Star

[-Slap-]

I usually don't pat my own back for any of the slections that I've made, but I'm stunned that Chris Henry was still available. (I'm half expecting to get a PM from SoCal telling me to pick again because Henry has already been selected.) I even went over the lists twice to make sure I was right.

I know that Henry did not have a stellar year on the gridiron, but thay may be attributable to a lack of touches for him at Arizona. His Combine numbers, however, will merit him as a day one selection.


I knew he wouldn't make it to me.......:)

Truthfully, I've been debating between Henry and one other player, so I guess you made up my mind for me.

[bpc]

I'm just worried about Henry being the next Tatum Bell + Size. Great athlete, I think he showed that but is he the guy that is going to turn it on in the pro's when he couldn't in college? A guy that is so good but never could start consistently on a mediocre to bad football team... that is something there that concerns me.

[JCMElway]

I'm just worried about Henry being the next Tatum Bell + Size. Great athlete, I think he showed that but is he the guy that is going to turn it on in the pro's when he couldn't in college? A guy that is so good but never could start consistently on a mediocre to bad football team... that is something there that concerns me.

Very true, but in the 5th round, why not take a chance? The position is already comfortably filled with Parker and Davenport, so this guy won't have the pressure to come in and be a stud right away.

Tons of upside in the fifth round :thumbs: