Sirius NFL Radio: Plummer for Moss discussion [Archive] - The Orange Mane

Ron Mexico

01-25-2007, 01:22 PM

Arkansas Bronco

01-25-2007, 01:25 PM

And you almost made it to 100. I don't believe it, neither side will trade with the other.

defenseman

01-25-2007, 01:26 PM

Couldn't believe it. This morning I was listening to Sirius NFL Radio, and they thought it was more likely that Plummer would be traded for Moss than it was for him to go to the Texans or the Jags (ties w/ former Arizona St. coach there). By the time they were finished discussing it, I was almost convinced - but I still don't believe it. They thought Shanahan would be good at handling Moss - and you can't argue the fact that the Raiders need some experience at QB. Having Walker, Marshall, Moss and Scheffler would give Cutler lots of options. Still don't believe it.

Not so sure shanahan will give the raiders plummer.....I know I wouldn't.dman

ludo21

01-25-2007, 01:27 PM

Plummer for Moss?

Do it, do it, do it! pull the trigger!

but no way we ever ever ever deal with the Fade.

sirhcyennek81

01-25-2007, 01:29 PM

Uhhh...no...Moss would undo the year of work Rod Smith and Javon Walker put in on the youngsters in 4 minutes.

:Broncos:

Bronco LB 59

01-25-2007, 01:30 PM

When was the last time the Broncos and Raiders made a deal together? Rich Jackson? Willie Brown?

Garcia Bronco

01-25-2007, 01:30 PM

It's criminal that MOss is even allowed to play in the NFL

Crushaholic

01-25-2007, 01:32 PM

We need to get Plummer out of the AFC West. In no way do I want to face him twice a year...

Hotrod

01-25-2007, 01:34 PM

Offseason aint it grand.

NO MOSS NO MOSS Ha!

watermock

01-25-2007, 01:39 PM

We need to get Plummer out of the AFC West. In no way do I want to face him twice a year...

Why? It would be like Gruden against Callahan or Shanahan against Elway in OT. That game sucked because Reeves blew it.

Those people are morons...we are not going to pick up a 10m contract...they are just filling air space. Besides, we don't trade with Oakland anyway. A three way trade for Porter would make more sense.

You need an abritrator to make any deal with the Crypt Keeper.

Florida_Bronco

01-25-2007, 01:41 PM

I actually wouldn't mind this deal. Moss seems to have his head on straight now from what I understand, and going to a competent team may be exactly what he needs to revitalize his game.

Crushaholic

01-25-2007, 01:42 PM

Why?

Because I think Plummer still has skills, unlike what some people on the Mane would like to believe....

Garcia Bronco

01-25-2007, 01:44 PM

Plummer does have skills. He can't read defenses and doesn't put in the time, but he has skills

loborugger

01-25-2007, 01:47 PM

Lets break this down...

Its only recent, but one of the strengths of the Denver team is its WR corp. Why would we want to bring a talented, yet very troubled WR?

Why would Denver let a QB, that knows the playbook, goto a division rival?

Why would Oakland want to give up their only offensive playmaker?

Why would Al Davis, known for his love on long passes, take a QB that doesnt have a strong arm?

This rumoured trade makes so little sense on so many levels. Factor into all that the fact that Denver and Oakland have legendary dislike of each other, and I have to ask, who the hell came up with this rumor? Why does he (I assume he) still have a job? I could come up with more believable crap than this.

Dudeskey

01-25-2007, 01:50 PM

Lemme guess- Randy Cross & that other dude were speculating on this? If so, shame on Randy for even speculating that we'd do buisness w/ greasy Al

-Slap-

01-25-2007, 01:51 PM

When was the last time the Broncos and Raiders made a deal together? Rich Jackson? Willie Brown?

Gaston Green for the third round pick that became Jason Elam.

footstepsfrom#27

01-25-2007, 01:51 PM

The Raiders will take JaMarcus Russel with the top pick in the draft. They don't need or want Plummer. And no...(Al)zheimers will not trade with Denver anyway.

Bronx33

01-25-2007, 01:52 PM

We need to get Plummer out of the AFC West. In no way do I want to face him twice a year...

Why not? hes good for atleast 2-3 picks a game.

broncosteven

01-25-2007, 02:05 PM

We need to get Plummer out of the AFC West. In no way do I want to face him twice a year...

I would love for KFC, Butt-Pirates, or Even SD to land Jake! I would like to see us get some of those INT's back.

Sure Jake has heart but if Shanny cannot do anything with him you think anyone else can?

bigfan

01-25-2007, 02:07 PM

We already have a #1 WR and there's no way we give the Raiders a decent QB when they don't have one.

Clockwork Orange

01-25-2007, 02:08 PM

The Fade already have a mobile, mistake-prone QB on their roster right now. Why on earth would they need Plummer?

This actually tops the "Broncos will sign Asante Samuel" talk as the dumbest rumor of this young offseason.

NaptownChief

01-25-2007, 02:12 PM

We need to get Plummer out of the AFC West. In no way do I want to face him twice a year...

I don't know why not....I know Chiefs fans sure hope he stays in the division.

Crushaholic

01-25-2007, 02:14 PM

Sure Jake has heart but if Shanny cannot do anything with him you think anyone else can?

People conveniently forget that Plummer had a good 2005 season, which was his first (and only) full season in Denver. I'm not sure what was going on with Plummer during 2006, but he apparently choked with Cutler breathing down his neck. I know I'm one of the few people still on the Plummer bandwagon, but I think he can return to form. I don't want him torching the Broncos twice a year...

Florida_Bronco

01-25-2007, 02:17 PM

The Raiders will take JaMarcus Russel with the top pick in the draft.

You say that like it's fact...and it's not.

REB

01-25-2007, 02:18 PM

Gaston Green for the third round pick that became Jason Elam.

Ol' Slappy knows his stuff ^5

1-2-3-:Broncos:!!!!!!! :charge:

DHBRONCO

01-25-2007, 02:26 PM

I would think most people from this board would be for this trade, since all I ever hear is how bad Plummer sucks. To me this is an a good trade for both parties as long as there is a conditional pick for us in case Moss quits. Raiders get rid of a headache and the Broncos get rid of someone that does not want to be here. For those that think Plummer sucks, which is most on this site, then who would you rather see him go to and mess up more than the Raiders. I like Plummer and think he can be a good player for them, but being from Minnesota and seeing Moss, I think the potential is well worth the risk. I can not see Shanny putting up with him taking plays off and not blocking down field though.

Pendejo

01-25-2007, 02:28 PM

People conveniently forget that Plummer had a good 2005 season, which was his first (and only) full season in Denver. I'm not sure what was going on with Plummer during 2006, but he apparently choked with Cutler breathing down his neck. I know I'm one of the few people still on the Plummer bandwagon, but I think he can return to form. I don't want him torching the Broncos twice a year...

You convieniently forgot that Plummer came to Denver in 2003. He played a full slate of games in 2004 after missing several in '03...amassing 20 ints...regressing from the 7 he threw his first season in Denver in eleven games.

footstepsfrom#27

01-25-2007, 02:29 PM

You say that like it's fact...and it's not.
Who do you think they take?

Northman

01-25-2007, 02:29 PM

Plummer and Oakland would be a trainwreck.

Bronx33

01-25-2007, 02:38 PM

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k41/bludeau/ackaldavis.jpg

Trainwreck? Nawwwwwwww!

Crushaholic

01-25-2007, 02:40 PM

You convieniently forgot that Plummer came to Denver in 2003. He played a full slate of games in 2004 after missing several in '03...amassing 20 ints...regressing from the 7 he threw his first season in Denver in eleven games.

You're right about the full slate of games in 2004. I was thinking he was injured for a couple of games in 2004, but I was mistaken...

yerner

01-25-2007, 02:43 PM

I don't see this happening. Why would the Raiders want Plummer? He's basically the same as Brookes. With the first rounder they'll take a qb. Plus, old man davis loves the deep ball. Which we know plummer throws horribly.

Rohirrim

01-25-2007, 02:43 PM

With the first pick the Fade will take Russell, who can toss it 70 yards. I would think they would want to hang on to Moss.

DB84FAN

01-25-2007, 02:47 PM

Couldn't believe it. This morning I was listening to Sirius NFL Radio, and they thought it was more likely that Plummer would be traded for Moss than it was for him to go to the Texans or the Jags (ties w/ former Arizona St. coach there). By the time they were finished discussing it, I was almost convinced - but I still don't believe it. They thought Shanahan would be good at handling Moss - and you can't argue the fact that the Raiders need some experience at QB. Having Walker, Marshall, Moss and Scheffler would give Cutler lots of options. Still don't believe it.

Can you tell me who the former ASU coach was when plummer was there ? Just because the latest coach in ASU went to jags.. u are talking about ties ? In what way are they both connected, except for the fact that they both were on that football program at different times ?

Pendejo

01-25-2007, 03:01 PM

You're right about the full slate of games in 2004. I was thinking he was injured for a couple of games in 2004, but I was mistaken...

Yeah...sometimes the years run together.

It's interesting though. If you look at Plummer's stats in Denver (td:int ratio)...he really was a yo-yo as a quarterback. Up one year...down the next.

15:7 in '03
27:20 in '04
18:7 in '05
11:13 in '06

Perhaps he should be benched in even numbered years.

broncofan

01-25-2007, 03:05 PM

I prefer recievers that still know how to catch the ball thank you very much.

Ron Mexico

01-25-2007, 03:57 PM

And you almost made it to 100. I don't believe it, neither side will trade with the other.

It may be the consensus on this board that 100 posts is required to start a thread, but I don't think a post count means much. I've been here for over a year and simply read far more than I post. This appears to be a valid off-season discussion, but you didn't add much to it. Would you feel better if I had made 5 or 6 more posts over the last year before starting this thread? Ass.

Atlas

01-25-2007, 04:03 PM

When was the last time the Broncos and Raiders made a deal together? Rich Jackson? Willie Brown?

Denver traded Gaston Green to the raiders following the 92 season for a 2nd or 3rd round pick.... basically they robbed them!!!

Bronco_Beerslug

01-25-2007, 04:28 PM

Gaston Green for the third round pick that became Jason Elam.I think that turned into Rondell Jones?

freak6

01-25-2007, 04:49 PM

Shanahan for Kiffen is just as likely.

I take that back, Davis hiring the wrong Kiffen proves that he is absolutely out of his fkn mind.

Taco John

01-25-2007, 05:09 PM

The Raiders will take JaMarcus Russel with the top pick in the draft.

I agree. I think Russel goes #1, and Brady Quinn goes #2.

cutthemdown

01-25-2007, 05:11 PM

We need to get Plummer out of the AFC West. In no way do I want to face him twice a year...

you're kidding right?

TheChamp24

01-25-2007, 05:13 PM

When I saw this, I thought, "The Raiders already have Jake Plummer on their roster, but instead of calling him Jake Plummer, they call him Aaron Brooks."

2KBack

01-25-2007, 05:13 PM

Taco John

01-25-2007, 05:14 PM

When I saw this, I thought, "The Raiders already have Jake Plummer on their roster, but instead of calling him Jake Plummer, they call him Aaron Brooks."

I wasn't going to say it...

Arkansas Bronco

01-25-2007, 05:16 PM

It may be the consensus on this board that 100 posts is required to start a thread, but I don't think a post count means much. I've been here for over a year and simply read far more than I post. This appears to be a valid off-season discussion, but you didn't add much to it. Would you feel better if I had made 5 or 6 more posts over the last year before starting this thread? Ass.

Dude that was a joke (especially since there was a 100 post thread started today also) im not a big get to 100 or Ill hate on you person but if someone is an ass check yourself herpes boy. Also there is nothing to add since this is just something out of the blue and every one knows this will never happen.

broncosteven

01-25-2007, 05:39 PM

I wasn't going to say it...

Hey Taco, Did Lllma have to photoshop out the defender picking off that ball in your AVATAR when he put in the word WINS?

Some things I just cannot let go...

TheChamp24

01-25-2007, 05:43 PM

I wasn't going to say it...

Its funny because its true, though. Before Brooks was a Raider, like 2-3 years ago, I stated Brooks was like a Jake Plummer who needed to be in the right system to suceed. haha

NFLBRONCO

01-25-2007, 06:05 PM

The Raiders could use #1 for Calvin Johnson but, Broncos Raider trade would never happen.

RunSilentRunDeep

01-25-2007, 06:06 PM

Lets break this down...

Its only recent, but one of the strengths of the Denver team is its WR corp. Why would we want to bring a talented, yet very troubled WR?

I wouldn't trade a pizza coupon for Moss. That said, we are not set at WR. We have no depth. Outside of Walker who do we have? Marshall is very promising for sure but he only had 20 catches. Rod Smith is beginning to embarrass himself and Kircus is barely an NFL player. We need a No. 3 big time.

Lidderer

01-25-2007, 06:09 PM

Yeah...sometimes the years run together.

It's interesting though. If you look at Plummer's stats in Denver (td:int ratio)...he really was a yo-yo as a quarterback. Up one year...down the next.

15:7 in '03
27:20 in '04
18:7 in '05
11:13 in '06

Perhaps he should be benched in even numbered years.

Qb's are more than their TD-INT numbers.

For all the talk of 2004 being a 'bad' year, he was still a top 10 qb by important metrics and measurements.

What's 'interesting though' is how limited our understanding of QB play is when we feel we can simply look at a set of basic numbers and derive something substantial from them.

Keep fightin' the good fight, Pendejo.

Billy Clyde Puckett

01-25-2007, 06:23 PM

I wouldn't trade a pizza coupon for Moss. That said, we are not set at WR. We have no depth. Outside of Walker who do we have? Marshall is very promising for sure but he only had 20 catches. Rod Smith is beginning to embarrass himself and Kircus is barely an NFL player. We need a No. 3 big time.

Well, I'm a little more generous than you. I think Rod is fine for another year or two and is not embarrassing himself, but his role will be limited. Kircus I think is a perfect number 4/5 receiver who can fill in any of the spots and be backup return man.

However, I am going to laugh like hell at all of the Maners who jump off a bridge if the Broncs select a WR in the first round. Gotta have that big time number 3 like you say. It is the deepest postition in the draft after a couple of years of drought. And Shanahan is going to give the Golden Boy some tools.

RunSilentRunDeep

01-25-2007, 06:35 PM

And Shanahan is going to give the Golden Boy some tools.

Agree with you on that. Obviously, the DL needs help, but if a WR is the best player available in round 1 or 2, I wouldn't argue the pick. Although D-Jack (if he gets cut, see below) or Kevin Curtis (cheaper) might be the safer play.

From ESPN PFW Whispers:

"Even though Seahawks WR Darrell Jackson enjoyed a strong season, leading the team in receptions and touchdowns, we hear it's far from a slam dunk that the team will retain his services in '07 after obtaining both Deion Branch and Nate Burleson last offseason and benefiting from the improved play of underrated D.J. Hackett. "

chrisp

01-25-2007, 06:36 PM

We don't even have to debate the relative merits & demerits of Plummer to find a whole list of reasons why this proposed deal is pure 100% `offseason smack talk:

1) The year Moss went to the fade Shanny hinted that he didn't want him due to his character issues
2) Moss is coming off a down year
3) Shanny hates Al Davis with a passion and the feeling is entirely mutual
4) Shanny would definitely trade Plummer out of the division,
5) in fact he would probably want him out of the conference if possible

..that's just off the top of my head - give me a few minutes I can probably come up with some more..

-Slap-

01-25-2007, 06:53 PM

Agree with you on that. Obviously, the DL needs help, but if a WR is the best player available in round 1 or 2, I wouldn't argue the pick. Although D-Jack (if he gets cut, see below) or Kevin Curtis (cheaper) might be the safer play.

Kevin Curtis would be a great addition to the organization.

Pendejo

01-25-2007, 07:01 PM

Qb's are more than their TD-INT numbers.

For all the talk of 2004 being a 'bad' year, he was still a top 10 qb by important metrics and measurements.

What's 'interesting though' is how limited our understanding of QB play is when we feel we can simply look at a set of basic numbers and derive something substantial from them.

Keep fightin' the good fight, Pendejo.

dvoa?

And what fight? I was just pointing out that his picks were up and down. He threw a lot of picks in even numbered years in Denver. It is a historical fact.

Pendejo

01-25-2007, 07:05 PM

Kevin Curtis would be a great addition to the organization.

I agree. He'd be a real solid pick up. And his parents gave him a built in nickname.

Kevin "Devon" Curtis.

Smith80HOF

01-25-2007, 07:10 PM

Who cares about plummer going to Oakland - heck that's 2 games vs. an opposing team with at least a total of 6 takeaways/year. Furthermore, the playbook he ran was similar to an elementary school spelling book, nothing like that of the one cutler will be using. It's a win - win in my opinion.

Lidderer

01-25-2007, 07:11 PM

dvoa?

And what fight? I was just pointing out that his picks were up and down. He threw a lot of picks in even numbered years in Denver. It is a historical fact.

Fight as in soldering on amidst new insightful data; hanging on to the belief that INTs are indicative of success.

Vick posted 20-13(60% tds) this year, and yet he was a detriment to his team in many respects.

Mcnair(57%) and Romo(59%) threw worse, TD-INT-wise, but were beneficial to their team's successes.

And ya, both placed top 10 in that wonderfully predictive/evaluative measure of DVOA.

REB

01-25-2007, 07:14 PM

I've always liked Curtis. Somebody mentined him and , well I drafted him too early this year and it didn't work out but I still like the guy.

1-2-3-:Broncos: :charge:

Lidderer

01-25-2007, 07:18 PM

Kevin Curtis caught a higher percentage(70%) of passes thrown his way than any other player last year, excluding Eric Moulds(who, let's be honest, was getting dink and dunks from Carr).

ozomulsion

01-25-2007, 07:26 PM

We need to get Plummer out of the AFC West. In no way do I want to face him twice a year...

I would love to face him 16 games a year. Word

Lidderer

01-25-2007, 07:38 PM

I would love to face him 16 games a year. Word

He'd love to face our pass rush 16 times a year too.

SonOfLe-loLang

01-25-2007, 07:44 PM

I'd trade Plummer for Moss in a second. Do you see how Denver plays Moss? They triple team him. Champ says he's still the hardest receiver to cover in the NFL. The raiders are going to be crap no matter what, but i dont see why Al Davis would ever trade Moss to Denver. Makes no sense for them.

Pendejo

01-25-2007, 07:45 PM

Fight as in soldiering on amidst new insightful data; hanging on to the belief that INTs are indicative of success.

Vick posted 20-13(60% tds) this year, and yet he was a detriment to his team in many respects.

Mcnair(57%) and Romo(59%) threw worse, TD-INT-wise, but were beneficial to their team's successes.

And ya, both placed top 10 in that wonderfully predictive/evaluative measure of DVOA.

Out of morbid curiosity...where was Plummer ranked in DVOA this past season? He posted 11-13(46% tds), and yet was a detriment to his team in many respects...aside from place holding.

Lidderer

01-25-2007, 07:46 PM

Out of morbid curiosity...where was Plummer ranked in DVOA this past season? He posted 11-13(46% tds), and yet was a detriment to his team in many respects...aside from place holding.

I don't think they keep track beyond the top 100.

Lidderer

01-25-2007, 07:48 PM

Technically 30th though.

Cutler was 33rd.

But he WAS a rookie, so the comparison is pretty silly.

Taco John

01-25-2007, 07:49 PM

4) Shanny would definitely trade Plummer out of the division,

Why? Why not weaken another team if we can?

2KBack

01-25-2007, 07:53 PM

Why? Why not weaken another team if we can?

dude, you keep feeding into your own steroetype

Lidderer

01-25-2007, 07:56 PM

Why? Why not weaken another team if we can?

I think he just means that if Alex Smith can beat us in our own stadium with the playoffs on the line then that's basically the bar for what our qb can keep apace with.

Plummer is, to any intelligent fan, better than alex smith.

So basically we need to find guys worse than alex smith to qb teams in the AFCW.

Orange_Beard

01-25-2007, 07:57 PM

We need to get Plummer out of the AFC West. In no way do I want to face him twice a year...

Have you seen the Raiders o-line? Did you see Plummer play last year?

$hit I wish we could face him 6 times a year.

Taco John

01-25-2007, 07:57 PM

Heh... Ok, I was just trying to get a reaction...

But seriously. I doubt Shanahan is awake at nights sweating at the thought of Plummer being on the other side of the field. There's not another coach in this league, outside Shanahan and Kubiak, who are going to get what Shanahan and Kubiak got out of the guy.

It's like everybody says about him: he is what he is...

...and that's a quarterback who can't play well when forced to stay within the pocket.

I personally would love to see Plummer stay in the AFC West.

eddie mac

01-25-2007, 07:58 PM

I see a pattern here.

Linked in 2006: Terrell Owens, linked in 2007: Randy Moss. Which piece of **** will we be rumoured to be interested in next offseason???

Lidderer

01-25-2007, 07:59 PM

Taco John

01-25-2007, 08:04 PM

I suppose it's less to do with whether or not Plummer is a worthy adversary and more a matter of information and familiarity with the offense/playbook(queue joke about playbook).

I think this is a common concern among coaches/GMs.

Well, I was speaking to the fact that he's a one dimensional quarterback who finished the season with double digit interceptions and got replaced by the rookie who he was supposed to be showing the ropes to.

Lidderer

01-25-2007, 08:10 PM

Well, I was speaking to the fact that he's a one dimensional quarterback who finished the season with double digit interceptions and got replaced by the rookie who he was supposed to be showing the ropes to.

I'm still amazed that Jake predicted cutler would lose to san fran. I thought for sure we'd win that game.

I guess he knew something we didnt

Hercules Rockefeller

01-25-2007, 08:24 PM

I see a pattern here.

Linked in 2006: Terrell Owens, linked in 2007: Randy Moss. Which piece of **** will we be rumoured to be interested in next offseason???

I wouldn't go that far yet. This is nothing more than a couple guys saying what they think should happen compared to TO actually visiting here last offseason.

SureShot

01-25-2007, 09:20 PM

Kevin Curtis caught a higher percentage(70%) of passes thrown his way than any other player last year, excluding Eric Moulds(who, let's be honest, was getting dink and dunks from Carr).

I love Kevin Curtis, but I'm sure the league's most accurate passer(arguably) has as much to do with that stat as Curtis.

-Slap-

01-25-2007, 09:25 PM

Kevin Curtis caught a higher percentage(70%) of passes thrown his way than any other player last year, excluding Eric Moulds(who, let's be honest, was getting dink and dunks from Carr).

Yeah, well, I been talking him up for a couple years now and didn't need no fancy newfangled metrics to tell me so.

Taco John

01-25-2007, 09:40 PM

I'm still amazed that Jake predicted cutler would lose to san fran. I thought for sure we'd win that game.

I guess he knew something we didnt

Sorry... I just don't have any respect for Plummer's game. I appreciate what Shanahan and Kubiak were collectively able to milk out of him, and the fact that we won some regular season games with the guy. I wish him well with another team, but more than that, I wish we played against him every single week.

Ron Mexico

01-25-2007, 10:10 PM

Dude that was a joke (especially since there was a 100 post thread started today also) im not a big get to 100 or Ill hate on you person but if someone is an ass check yourself herpes boy. Also there is nothing to add since this is just something out of the blue and every one knows this will never happen.

Herpes boy...now that is funny.

How could I possibly tell you weren't being an ass?

If it looks like it and smells like...yep, it's ass.

Chupacabra

01-25-2007, 10:12 PM

The Raiders will take JaMarcus Russel with the top pick in the draft. They don't need or want Plummer. And no...(Al)zheimers will not trade with Denver anyway.

uve been listening to mcshay too much

quinn is going first

and i hate quinn

Lidderer

01-25-2007, 10:13 PM

Yeah, well, I been talking him up for a couple years now and didn't need no fancy newfangled metrics to tell me so.

Curtis led football in heart last year, and finished a close second to former nebraska Punter Darin Erstand in Grit.

-Slap-

01-25-2007, 10:17 PM

Curtis led football in heart last year, and finished a close second to former nebraska Punter Darin Erstand in Grit.

Now you're talking sense.

Can you imagine if David Eckstein played pro football?

WABronco

01-25-2007, 10:19 PM

Now you're talking sense.

Can you imagine if David Eckstein played pro football?

Or Willie Bloomquist (WFB--Willie ****ing Bloomquist)...these guys are all GRIT. Everytime he steals a base or dives, M's fans everywhere say "GRITTY."

Lidderer

01-25-2007, 10:47 PM

little nugget here most of ya probably don't know about: 5"8 Colts safety Bob Sanders is not listed on your weekly Grit Leaderboard due to the actual quality of his football play.

Arkansas Bronco

01-25-2007, 10:47 PM

Herpes boy...now that is funny.

How could I possibly tell you weren't being an ass?

If it looks like it and smells like...yep, it's ass.

You are still doing it all I did was joke that you almost made it to 100, didnt have a prob with the thread its off season hell I started a chair thread. You took offense to it. Ron Mexico calls for a herpes remark especially if you are the one hung out cause you got pissed that someone said you almost made 100 before you posted your own thread. Damn that was such a bad statement, no wonder you are pissed ??? Do you really want to make a war just cause of a good non hostile joke?

chaz

01-25-2007, 11:18 PM

Uhhh...no...Moss would undo the year of work Rod Smith and Javon Walker put in on the youngsters in 4 minutes.

:Broncos:

he works hard when he is winning...with a successful team like we have randy would be very successful. I live in MN and watched his whole story unfold. He works hard, you just have to keep him motivated....

Pendejo

01-25-2007, 11:24 PM

Now you're talking sense.

Can you imagine if David Eckstein played pro football?

Yeah...or Bip Roberts...15 years ago anyway.

Ron Mexico

01-26-2007, 12:19 AM

You are still doing it all I did was joke that you almost made it to 100, didnt have a prob with the thread its off season hell I started a chair thread. You took offense to it. Ron Mexico calls for a herpes remark especially if you are the one hung out cause you got pissed that someone said you almost made 100 before you posted your own thread. Damn that was such a bad statement, no wonder you are pissed ??? Do you really want to make a war just cause of a good non hostile joke?

Guess you couldn't tell I was joking either...herpes boy REALLY is funny. I changed my avatar for Darrent, but it used to be Peyton humping Ron's leg. My slogan was "I'm Infectious". Guess since we don't know each other it is just really hard to read the humor.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/369588529_c7fb8dfd99.jpg?v=0

That said, if I go to war over "ass", it has to be a really nice ass...and this one has stunk up this thread long enough. :thumbsup:

Translation: Ha Ha.

DBroncos4life

01-26-2007, 12:26 AM

I wouldn't be pissed if it happened but I know it won't. We are trading our back up QB for a guy that when he is happy is pretty damn good at what he does.

Arkansas Bronco

01-26-2007, 12:39 AM

Guess you couldn't tell I was joking either...herpes boy REALLY is funny. I changed my avatar for Darrent, but it used to be Peyton humping Ron's leg. My slogan was "I'm Infectious". Guess since we don't know each other it is just really hard to read the humor.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/369588529_c7fb8dfd99.jpg?v=0

That said, if I go to war over "ass", it has to be a really nice ass...and this one has stunk up this thread long enough. :thumbsup:

Translation: Ha Ha.

Well again I missed it due to having small kids and work related I have av's turned off so i missed it. I was truly messing with you and didnt mean it to make you mad.

Orange_Beard

01-26-2007, 12:52 AM

I'm still amazed that Jake predicted cutler would lose to san fran. I thought for sure we'd win that game.

I guess he knew something we didnt

Ahh, Now I know why Jake threw that pick.

Lidderer

01-26-2007, 02:04 AM

Ahh, Now I know why Jake threw that pick.

Now if we only had a reason why cutler threw the pick 6 to give San fran the lead they would never relinquish.

Taco John

01-26-2007, 02:09 AM

Now if we only had a reason why cutler threw the pick 6 to give San fran the lead they would never relinquish.

I'm guessing for the same reason Plummer threw so many during our playoff losses:

That damned Larry Coyer! :cuss:

Broncos4Life

01-26-2007, 03:53 AM

I like that trade.It aint gonna happen though. But the idea of facing the mofo twice a year excites me. Champ once picked him off 3 times in a game in Arizona back when he played for the Skins.

Lidderer

01-26-2007, 04:11 AM

I'm guessing for the same reason Plummer threw so many during our playoff losses:

That damned Larry Coyer! :cuss:

no see we played good teams in the playoffs. The 49ers are not good.

And Coyer really can't be at fault when his D isn't on the field(see: pick 6).

Coyer is at fault for giving up playoff record points and the like, I agree. But throwing a boneheaded pick 6 @home with the playoffs on the line is not on him.

Taco John

01-26-2007, 04:35 AM

Lidderer

01-26-2007, 05:12 AM

It's news to me that Indy had a good defense during our playoff games against them.

This is a cute game and all Liddy, but it doesn't help your case at all that Plummer triple pumped an interception on the money roll-out that Cutler has turned into his bread and butter. I mean, come on here man... Shanahan rushed out a concussed rookie to get the guy off the field. Think about that for a second. Shanahan thought a concussed rookie gave us our best shot to win that game. And the sad thing is, he was right!

What's your point here, anyway? Are you trying to make the case that our rookie wasn't nearly as effective as Plummer was/would have been? Or are you just set on being difficult? Cutler even ranks higher than Plummer in your vaunted DVOA rankings by a six full spots (where Plummer finds himself behind the likes of David Carr, Byron Leftwich and Joey Harrington). What's the point here?

Hey there little johnny boy, your faux-ignorance to the point is really adorable and snuggly and stuff, truly, but I think in your heart o' hearts you have a good idea of what my point is. If you're truly baffled then I understand better some of the countless peculiar stances you've made here.

The pick 6 was the turning point in the game; a game which all denver had to do was beat an atrocious 49er squad IN DENVER. One of the biggest choke-jobs this franchise has probably ever witnessed. Hell, at least when you lose in the playoffs it's to a quality opponent.

And if you really think we should always "think about" what shanahan does and genuflect accordingly, well, that sorta defeats the whole point of a message board. I mean, that'd sorta render all your time here useless, no?

socalorado

01-26-2007, 09:19 AM

Dont know if this was already posted, but heres what Ben maller @ FOX Sports thinks from today about Plummers future
http://www.benmaller.com/

Hercules Rockefeller

01-26-2007, 09:23 AM

Dont know if this was already posted, but heres what Ben maller @ FOX Sports thinks from today about Plummers future
http://www.benmaller.com/

Ben Maller doesn't report anything on his own, he's just like KFFL. All he does is post what national writers and beat writers have written and give the link to the complete article.

socalorado

01-26-2007, 09:37 AM

Imdkeeper

01-26-2007, 10:02 AM

I actually wouldn't mind this deal. Moss seems to have his head on straight now from what I understand, and going to a competent team may be exactly what he needs to revitalize his game.

I agree... I use to put T.O. and Moss in the same boat, but I kind of believe that playing for the Raiders humbled Moss a bit. Plummer is still a gun, but the raiders aren't going to get that much better in a year, even with Plummer. With Rod on the decline, Moss and Walker could be a pretty lethal duo... probably the best, if not, one of the best, in football. I agree, it's doubtful, But I'd love to see it!!!

Hercules Rockefeller

01-26-2007, 10:06 AM

GEE-Thanks for the "lowdown" i thought he wrote all those articles himself and then just posted them on his website for the hell of it. Does he also photograph all of those pictures on his webite as well? Man, that guy must be busy.......

Any time. Maybe you shouldn't say, "This is what Ben Maller thinks," when he did no original reporting and people wouldn't need to point out it wasn't his work.

Ray Finkle

01-26-2007, 10:10 AM

ColoradoBuff

01-26-2007, 10:36 AM

no thanks, i'll pass.

socalorado

01-26-2007, 11:18 AM

OK, you caught me, I wrote the articles and then tried to pawn it off like Maller had something to do with it! I'm just trying to drum up interest in Plummer, can you blame me? Not bad for 2 semesters at Jr. college huh?

Taco John

01-26-2007, 11:21 AM

Hey there little johnny boy, your faux-ignorance to the point is really adorable and snuggly and stuff, truly, but I think in your heart o' hearts you have a good idea of what my point is. If you're truly baffled then I understand better some of the countless peculiar stances you've made here.

The pick 6 was the turning point in the game; a game which all denver had to do was beat an atrocious 49er squad IN DENVER. One of the biggest choke-jobs this franchise has probably ever witnessed. Hell, at least when you lose in the playoffs it's to a quality opponent.

Say what? I'm not even going to get you to respond to the fact that Plummer's DVOA ranking is lower than Cutler's and the fact that Shanahan thought a concussed rookie gave us a better chance to win than your hero?

Bah. What good are you?

And if you really think we should always "think about" what shanahan does and genuflect accordingly, well, that sorta defeats the whole point of a message board. I mean, that'd sorta render all your time here useless, no?

Uh, not only no, but hell no. It's the difference between having substance in your take, and just regurgitating overcooked metrics.

Taco John

01-26-2007, 11:39 AM

Also, I wanted to point out that calling that interception the turning point in the game where we tied in regulation is kind of hollow. Yeah, it didn't do us any favors, but the Tatum Bell fumble was the real turning point in the game, along with Brandon Marshall's fumble on the subsequent drive. Despite those turnovers, Cutler came back with a 10 play, 80 yard drive where he threw on 7 of the 10 plays to tie the game. The thought of Plummer executing that kind of drive... ::)

So, no, I don't think you can pin the SF game on Cutler no matter how badly you want to. He's hardly the reason we lost that game.

Ron Mexico

01-26-2007, 11:40 AM

no see we played good teams in the playoffs. The 49ers are not good.

And Coyer really can't be at fault when his D isn't on the field(see: pick 6).

Coyer is at fault for giving up playoff record points and the like, I agree. But throwing a boneheaded pick 6 @home with the playoffs on the line is not on him.

Pick six was the turning point. And you are also right about "boneheaded", but I agree with TJ that the boneheaded decision was caused by the concussion. And I'll allow for the pick six in his first start, too - typical rookie mistake. Now, anyone in their right mind would have to admit that Cutler needs to throw many, many, many more INTs to reach Jake's perfected level of bonehead decisions. You would be hard pressed to find anyone that isn't a Jake-homer that thinks the future is worse with Cutler than Jake. Sames goes for the decision to put Cutler in. If you want to dwell on what could have been vs. the 49ers, we needed a healthy Lepsis and a Foster with a bus ticket out of town. End of story.

johnstkr

01-26-2007, 11:45 AM

...(ties w/ former Arizona St. coach there)....

Plummer played for Bruce Snyder, and I don't think he's coaching anywhere anymore.

Florida_Bronco

01-26-2007, 12:00 PM

Curtis led football in heart last year, and finished a close second to former nebraska Punter Darin Erstand in Grit.

If it wasn't for Darin Erstad, we probably don't beat Miami in the 1995 Orange Bowl.

Rigs11

01-26-2007, 12:13 PM

Why? Why not weaken another team if we can?

yeah let's trade his 40-18 winning record to another AFC team...:spit:

Rigs11

01-26-2007, 12:15 PM

socalorado

01-26-2007, 02:02 PM

Gotta love Erstad- Only guy to win the GG both in the OUT and the IN! Always has a big dip goin too!!

Taco John

01-26-2007, 02:54 PM

yeah let's trade his 40-18 winning record to another AFC team...:spit:

You can't trade win/loss records to other teams. You can only trade players.

-Slap-

01-26-2007, 03:26 PM

So, no, I don't think you can pin the SF game on Cutler no matter how badly you want to. He's hardly the reason we lost that game.

Not having Al Wilson is the reason we lost that game.

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/5081/12292vz4.jpg

-Slap-

01-26-2007, 03:29 PM

yeah let's trade his 40-18 winning record to another AFC team...:spit:

What was Joke's record before he got to Denver?

You say 9-7 was his only winning record in six years in the desert?

He must be really good.

Hulamau

01-26-2007, 03:38 PM

Couldn't believe it. This morning I was listening to Sirius NFL Radio, and they thought it was more likely that Plummer would be traded for Moss than it was for him to go to the Texans or the Jags (ties w/ former Arizona St. coach there). By the time they were finished discussing it, I was almost convinced - but I still don't believe it. They thought Shanahan would be good at handling Moss - and you can't argue the fact that the Raiders need some experience at QB. Having Walker, Marshall, Moss and Scheffler would give Cutler lots of options. Still don't believe it.

Moss would have to block in order to play here which he has NEVER done yet!

2KBack

01-26-2007, 03:49 PM

What was Joke's record before he got to Denver?

You say 9-7 was his only winning record in six years in the desert?

He must be really good.

and he was the only guy to QB that team to winning record since 1984. Does all this really need to be revisited?

Old Dude

01-26-2007, 03:53 PM

The Fade already have a mobile, mistake-prone QB on their roster right now. Why on earth would they need Plummer?
...

Maybe they'd want to drain his brain for the playbook value & audibles.

Assuming he remembers any of that.

broncosteven

01-26-2007, 04:01 PM

Not having Al Wilson is the reason we lost that game.

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/5081/12292vz4.jpg

SLAP KNOWS HIS ****!

I knew we were going to have trouble stopping Gore when I did not see 56 on the field.

Also as far as turning points I believe that the hit that knocked Cutler out of the game & let our stellar BU back in was the turning point.

If Cutler stays in that game a full day he has a career day. He was slinging the ball. Unlike our 0.00 QB rated BU. Even Concussed he came back after the pic 6 & had a gutsy 2nd half that over shadowed the 10 year vet.

Ron Mexico

01-26-2007, 04:04 PM

Plummer played for Bruce Snyder, and I don't think he's coaching anywhere anymore.

One of the assistant's there was referenced but I couldn't remember who they said. They were not referring to his previous head coach.

Hercules Rockefeller

01-26-2007, 04:45 PM

Dirk Koetter

chaz

01-27-2007, 09:23 PM

SLAP KNOWS HIS ****!

I knew we were going to have trouble stopping Gore when I did not see 56 on the field.

Also as far as turning points I believe that the hit that knocked Cutler out of the game & let our stellar BU back in was the turning point.

If Cutler stays in that game a full day he has a career day. He was slinging the ball. Unlike our 0.00 QB rated BU. Even Concussed he came back after the pic 6 & had a gutsy 2nd half that over shadowed the 10 year vet.

John Lynch getting his **** blocked by Alex Smith on the end-around didnt help too much....not saying the loss was at all his fault but that was a huge play

chaz

01-27-2007, 09:25 PM

Moss would have to block in order to play here which he has NEVER done yet!

He plays hard when the team is successful, i dont know how many times i have to tell you people. Randy Moss just gets discouraged very easily when the team around him isnt playing well...taht is why i think he would be good in denver. Our team is always competitive, which is what he is looking for and that is what brings the best out in him. No one ever questioned his effort here in MN until the team went downhill...

with that said, there's no way shanahan trades with the raiders and visa versa.

Killericon

01-28-2007, 12:30 AM

He plays hard when the team is successful, i dont know how many times i have to tell you people. Randy Moss just gets discouraged very easily when the team around him isnt playing well...taht is why i think he would be good in denver. Our team is always competitive, which is what he is looking for and that is what brings the best out in him. No one ever questioned his effort here in MN until the team went downhill...

True. Moss played his ass off in Minnesota. That last year with the Vikings, he was on pace to tie or break all of Jerry Rice's records...Except, you know, the Super Bowl Rings. I liked the guy...

with that said, there's no way shanahan trades with the raiders and visa versa.

Also true.

Drek

01-28-2007, 01:09 AM

He plays hard when the team is successful, i dont know how many times i have to tell you people. Randy Moss just gets discouraged very easily when the team around him isnt playing well...taht is why i think he would be good in denver. Our team is always competitive, which is what he is looking for and that is what brings the best out in him. No one ever questioned his effort here in MN until the team went downhill...

with that said, there's no way shanahan trades with the raiders and visa versa.

You can repeat that all you want but it still won't come true. When he was pro bowling annually and Minnesota had a few good runs Moss still didn't block for consistently. He single handedly ruined many a running play and screen pass with his "only when I feel like it" blocking. He's a first rate ass clown who has shown so little concern for the game that he's let his skills diminish to that of a mediocre player. He's not worth Plummer, and thats saying something.

StevetheBronco

01-28-2007, 02:40 AM

This will never ever happen. A more interesting trade would be plummer to JVille for Reggie.

STB

Falconfan

01-28-2007, 03:05 AM

This will never ever happen. A more interesting trade would be plummer to JVille for Reggie.

STB
Plummer is worth less than Randy Moss, but the Falcons might sign Randy Moss anyway.

Taco John

01-28-2007, 03:23 AM

John Lynch getting his **** blocked by Alex Smith on the end-around didnt help too much....not saying the loss was at all his fault but that was a huge play

I personally thought it was just a well designed play. I think you're asking a lot of any safety in that situation.

-Slap-

01-28-2007, 11:28 AM

and he was the only guy to QB that team to winning record since 1984. Does all this really need to be revisited?

Periodically.

chaz

01-28-2007, 03:21 PM

I personally thought it was just a well designed play. I think you're asking a lot of any safety in that situation.

it was a well-designed play, run at the perfect time...but for the guy many call our "4th LB" to not be able to shed the block of a QB....that play just resonates with me...i love john, and dont at all blame him for the loss, it was just a huge play that i thought could've easily been stopped