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[enjolras]

Hillary's minions are planting stories about Obama attending a 'Madrassa' school as a child (schools which teach radical Wahabbi Islam).

Turns out it's probably not true, but it raises an interesting question to me.

Who the hell cares? Are we really going to choose our president based on what school his parents sent him to as a child? I would conjecture that having a president who is well versed in Islam would be a VERY good thing. If we're going to combat terrorists, we should probably understand a thing or two about their culture and religion and first.

Anyways, here is a link (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/index.html).

[yavoon]

I agree well versed is great. as long as they dont follow the koran.

[BroncoInferno]

I agree well versed is great. as long as they dont follow the koran.

or the old testament and about half of the new

[yavoon]

or the old testament and about half of the new

if they follow leviticus yes u can throw that in too. I dont see whats so wrong about opposing something as hatemongering and bigotted as the koran or the prophet mohammed.

[Elvis]

If the republicans had done something like that all hell would be breaking loose.

I honestly think that she will be found out, she is nothing and has nothing to offer the country. She will talk the talk and not walk the walk.

The lies are just now starting.

[BroncoInferno]

if they follow leviticus yes u can throw that in too. I dont see whats so wrong about opposing something as hatemongering and bigotted as the koran or the prophet mohammed.

I'm not a fan of either book read outside the proper historical context

[Crushaholic]

:bs: nice...can we at LEAST wait until this time next year for the inevitable mudslinging to begin?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Hillary's minions are planting stories about Obama attending a 'Madrassa' school as a child (schools which teach radical Wahabbi Islam).

Turns out it's probably not true, but it raises an interesting question to me.

Who the hell cares? Are we really going to choose our president based on what school his parents sent him to as a child? I would conjecture that having a president who is well versed in Islam would be a VERY good thing. If we're going to combat terrorists, we should probably understand a thing or two about their culture and religion and first.

Anyways, here is a link (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/index.html).

Seems to be all speculation who started the "rumors". This has been talked about on another forum I visit for 3 or 4 days now but FOX was leading the charge (http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/19/fox-obama-madrassa/) on it.

[Elvis]

:bs: nice...can we at LEAST wait until this time next year for the inevitable mudslinging to begin?

If you are a flaming liberal you need to think about all of the mud that is being slung around now, it is by the democrats. Most of what is being slung is being done so by Hillary's camp. Should she be exempt from the same treatment?

I think not!

[Garcia Bronco]

Who the hell cares? Are we really going to choose our president based on what school his parents sent him to as a child? ].

ahhhhh **** yeah.

[alkemical]

Hillary's minions are planting stories about Obama attending a 'Madrassa' school as a child (schools which teach radical Wahabbi Islam).

Turns out it's probably not true, but it raises an interesting question to me.

Who the hell cares? Are we really going to choose our president based on what school his parents sent him to as a child? I would conjecture that having a president who is well versed in Islam would be a VERY good thing. If we're going to combat terrorists, we should probably understand a thing or two about their culture and religion and first.

Anyways, here is a link (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/index.html).



Murdoch and Clinton sitting in a tree...K-I-S-S-I-N-G (http://www.google.com/search?q=rupert+murdoch+gives+hillary+money&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)

[Bronco_Beerslug]

If you are a flaming liberal you need to think about all of the mud that is being slung around now, it is by the democrats. Most of what is being slung is being done so by Hillary's camp. Should she be exempt from the same treatment?

I think not!A new Bushbot :~ohyah!:

[defenseman]

Hillary's minions are planting stories about Obama attending a 'Madrassa' school as a child (schools which teach radical Wahabbi Islam).

Turns out it's probably not true, but it raises an interesting question to me.

Who the hell cares? Are we really going to choose our president based on what school his parents sent him to as a child? I would conjecture that having a president who is well versed in Islam would be a VERY good thing. If we're going to combat terrorists, we should probably understand a thing or two about their culture and religion and first.

Anyways, here is a link (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/index.html).


IF, he did attend such a school, and it is confirmed, they will sift through his past like we've never seen. In addition, he will have NO CHANCE of getting the nomination from the dems, none, nada, zero. Hillary has just begun this type of tactic if her camp in fact outed this, not surprising in the least...dman

*And yet, on the internet, a soft spoken lamb desires just a talk with the american people. More like a wolf, in lamb's clothing. Looking forward to see if "mom's" tactic actually is convincing enough to paint her as a "caring" candidate....I'm thinking her opponents will have something to say about that.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

IF, he did attend such a school, and it is confirmed, they will sift through his past like we've never seen. In addition, he will have NO CHANCE of getting the nomination from the dems, none, nada, zero. Hillary has just begun this type of tactic if her camp in fact outed this, not surprising in the least...dman

*And yet, on the internet, a soft spoken lamb desires just a talk with the american people. More like a wolf, in lamb's clothing. Looking forward to see if "mom's" tactic actually is convincing enough to paint her as a "caring" candidate....I'm thinking her opponents will have something to say about that.
I love how the thought of Hilliary and Obama tie right wingers up in knots!!

[alkemical]

There is no real "Left" or "Right" - it's a distraction game to get you to argue amongst yourselves so those in power - continue to hold their power.

[defenseman]

Seems to be all speculation who started the "rumors". This has been talked about on another forum I visit for 3 or 4 days now but FOX was leading the charge (http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/19/fox-obama-madrassa/) on it.

And the other networks lead the charge on the conservative dirt. No difference to me other than the "other" networks outnumber fox. Nothing like leveling the playing field to keep people honest. Look forward to more info out of fox...dman

[defenseman]

I love how the thought of Hilliary and Obama tie right wingers up in knots!!

Not at all. They'll show their true colors soon enough and torpedo their own campaign's...dman

*More entertaining than anything else. Quite the soap opera.

[defenseman]

There is no real "Left" or "Right" - it's a distraction game to get you to argue amongst yourselves so those in power - continue to hold their power.

Valid , to a point. BroomHillary is a lefty, don't kid yourself. We'd all be putting up the homeless in our spare rooms if she had her way..dman

[epicSocialism4tw]

I'm not a fan of either book read outside the proper historical context


What is proclaimed within those books has very little to do with anything that your local South Carolina small town church espouses culturally.

The message of the new testament is supported by the context found by educating yourself through the old testament. The new testament message is absolutely beautiful.

[alkemical]

Valid , to a point. Hillary is a lefty, don't kid yourself. We'd all be putting up the homeless in our spare rooms if she had her way..dman

Uhh, Prez. Bush is going to push the door open for socialized healthcare dman.
Bank on it. Bush is more liberal in expansion.

Don't you guys get it, really?

Bush-clinton-clinton-bush-bush.

Everything that's been wanted has been done. Bush I wanted NAFTA - clinton gave it to him. So what did Bush want now, that he couldn't get that the next "guy" will?

You guys are way too short sighted on this politics issue. It's well beyond party, it's all about control and power. Unfortunatley - you and i - are the enemies of the state. Since as it stands, we can to some effect - control their power.

So until the threat is neutralized - we will always be herded into tighter and tighter control.

[BroncoInferno]

What is proclaimed within those books has very little to do with anything that your local South Carolina small town church espouses culturally.

I certainly hope not.

The message of the new testament is supported by the context found by educating yourself through the old testament. The new testament message is absolutely beautiful.

Read with the proper historical filter, I agree, believe it or not. There is also its fair share of pure crap if one insists on a literal interpretation, as many do (Paul's views on women, for instance).

By the same token, there are some very insightful anecdotes and lessons within the Koran as well. The key is to know how to syntheisize the material, a skill any student of literature is familiar with.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

And the other networks lead the charge on the conservative dirt. No difference to me other than the "other" networks outnumber fox. Nothing like leveling the playing field to keep people honest. Look forward to more info out of fox...dman

Fox honest? :rofl:

Here's an example of Fox's "honest" reporting and the type of viewers who buy their sh*t...

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Transcript:

DOOCY: Why didn’t anybody ever mention that that man right there was raised — spent the first decade of his life, raised by his Muslim father — as a Muslim and was educated in a madrassa?

[snip]

DOOCY: We should also point out that Barack Obama’s father is the one who gave him the middle name of Hussein. And the thing about the madrassa, and you know, let’s just be honest about this, in the last number of years, madrassas have been, we’ve learned a lot about them, financed by Saudis, they teach this Wahhabism which pretty much hates us. The big question is was that on the curriculum back then? Probably not, but it was a madrassa and the big question is whether or not any of these revelations about the fact that he was a Muslim — right now I understand he does go to the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, although not a regular parishioner — but raised as a Muslim, went to a madrassa.

[snip]

DOOCY: Is it ancient history or do you think madrassa matters. [phone ringing] Josh joins us from Colorado. Good morning to you Josh.

CALLER: What’s up?

DOOCY: What do you think?

CALLER: I think that ultimately this will probably be one of the main reasons is he not elected.

DOOCY: Just the fact that his father was a Muslim, he was raised as a Muslim for awhile, and went to a madrassa school in Jakarta?

CALLER: Right. I mean, you think that would possibly give him better insight on the enemy, maybe he doesn’t consider terrorists the enemy.

KILMEADE: Well, we’ll see about that. Yeah, Josh says that.

[snip]

CALLER: Hi, good morning. Yes, I think it does matter. The fact that he omitted it must mean that he feels that somebody is going to have an opinion. And President Bush certainly comes under scrutiny, so why shouldn’t he?

KILMEADE: Well, he didn’t admit it. I mean that’s the issue.

CARLSON: Well she said he didn’t.

KILMEADE: Says he didn’t come out, and I was over in Indonesia for five years, or roughly five years, went to a madrassa and there is some reports that Wahhabism was the curriculum there, which is a problem because they start with “We hate America” and work their way back from there.

DOOCY: Well, the way it was framed in one of his biographies, he said, “I was sent first,” this is in Indonesia, “to a catholic school and then to a predominantly Muslim school.” He doesn’t say, “I went to a madrassa, where they taught Wahhabism.” He simply says, “I went to a predominantly Muslim school.”

CARLSON: Alright, Jim from Alabama, what do you think?

DOOCY: Jim?

CALLER: Yeah.

CARLSON: What do you think?

CALLER: I think a Muslim would be fine in the presidency, better than Hillary. At least you know what the Muslims are up to. [Laughter]

CARLSON: We want to be clear, too, that this isn’t all Muslims, of course, we would only be concerned about the kind that want to blow us up.

[defenseman]

Fox honest? :rofl:

Here's an example of Fox's "honest" reporting and the type of viewers who buy their sh*t...

---------------------------------------------------
Transcript:

DOOCY: Why didn’t anybody ever mention that that man right there was raised — spent the first decade of his life, raised by his Muslim father — as a Muslim and was educated in a madrassa?

[snip]

DOOCY: We should also point out that Barack Obama’s father is the one who gave him the middle name of Hussein. And the thing about the madrassa, and you know, let’s just be honest about this, in the last number of years, madrassas have been, we’ve learned a lot about them, financed by Saudis, they teach this Wahhabism which pretty much hates us. The big question is was that on the curriculum back then? Probably not, but it was a madrassa and the big question is whether or not any of these revelations about the fact that he was a Muslim — right now I understand he does go to the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, although not a regular parishioner — but raised as a Muslim, went to a madrassa.

[snip]

DOOCY: Is it ancient history or do you think madrassa matters. [phone ringing] Josh joins us from Colorado. Good morning to you Josh.

CALLER: What’s up?

DOOCY: What do you think?

CALLER: I think that ultimately this will probably be one of the main reasons is he not elected.

DOOCY: Just the fact that his father was a Muslim, he was raised as a Muslim for awhile, and went to a madrassa school in Jakarta?

CALLER: Right. I mean, you think that would possibly give him better insight on the enemy, maybe he doesn’t consider terrorists the enemy.

KILMEADE: Well, we’ll see about that. Yeah, Josh says that.

[snip]

CALLER: Hi, good morning. Yes, I think it does matter. The fact that he omitted it must mean that he feels that somebody is going to have an opinion. And President Bush certainly comes under scrutiny, so why shouldn’t he?

KILMEADE: Well, he didn’t admit it. I mean that’s the issue.

CARLSON: Well she said he didn’t.

KILMEADE: Says he didn’t come out, and I was over in Indonesia for five years, or roughly five years, went to a madrassa and there is some reports that Wahhabism was the curriculum there, which is a problem because they start with “We hate America” and work their way back from there.

DOOCY: Well, the way it was framed in one of his biographies, he said, “I was sent first,” this is in Indonesia, “to a catholic school and then to a predominantly Muslim school.” He doesn’t say, “I went to a madrassa, where they taught Wahhabism.” He simply says, “I went to a predominantly Muslim school.”

CARLSON: Alright, Jim from Alabama, what do you think?

DOOCY: Jim?

CALLER: Yeah.

CARLSON: What do you think?

CALLER: I think a Muslim would be fine in the presidency, better than Hillary. At least you know what the Muslims are up to. [Laughter]

CARLSON: We want to be clear, too, that this isn’t all Muslims, of course, we would only be concerned about the kind that want to blow us up.

And CNN, ABC, NBC, and the rest are honest? Give me a break please, pot calling the kettle black if you will. Fox nor any others are entirely honest, however, an opposing point to the constant ultra liberal takes by the rest of the networks is not a bad thing, but a good thing. Take away Fox and you've got murdoch and the rest of the tree huggers going orwellian on all of us. Got to have the tit for the tat........dman

[Bronco_Beerslug]

And CNN, ABC, NBC, and the rest are honest? Give me a break please, pot calling the kettle black if you will. Fox nor any others are entirely honest, however, an opposing point to the constant ultra liberal takes by the rest of the networks is not a bad thing, but a good thing. Take away Fox and you've got murdoch and the rest of the tree huggers going orwellian on all of us. Got to have the tit for the tat........dman
If you can find these types of "intellectual" reports and debates on the other networks and sites please post them so we can compare. Trying to defend Fox's blatant partisan politics disguised as "news" is a losing propostion though, going pretty much the way of their viewer ratings.

Like I said, the people they attract says it all.

[defenseman]

If you can find these types of "intellectual" reports and debates on the other networks and sites please post them so we can compare. Trying to defend Fox's blatant partisan politics disguised as "news" is a losing propostion though, going pretty much the way of their viewer ratings.

Like I said, the people they attract says it all.

the others are no different than fox, if you choose to ignore it, that's your call, not anyone else's..dman

[bendog]

puke

(actually, this was predicted. not hillary but the smear.)

I disagree Hillary's a leftist. She's probably a trilateralist, where govt-industry-labor partner to divy stuff up and allocate resources, but then so is Poppy - he's sort of the grand dad of living trilateralists.

Bushii is not, and he's a living breathing disaster. A national typhoid mary.

I'm not sure what Obama's about. One has to admit (unless one is Fox or hillary or the gop) that Obama's integrally tied to helping the working poor. But so was WJC.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

the others are no different than fox, if you choose to ignore it, that's your call, not anyone else's..dmanI ignore nothing but you seem to. Point out the "sameness" (the degree of partianship Fox displays).

[yavoon]

I certainly hope not.



Read with the proper historical filter, I agree, believe it or not. There is also its fair share of pure crap if one insists on a literal interpretation, as many do (Paul's views on women, for instance).

By the same token, there are some very insightful anecdotes and lessons within the Koran as well. The key is to know how to syntheisize the material, a skill any student of literature is familiar with.

it is blasphemy and probably apostasy to accept only part of the koran. which of course carries the punishment of death.

I know what ur saying, I just thought I'd add that:).

[BroncoInferno]

it is blasphemy and probably apostasy to accept only part of the koran. which of course carries the punishment of death.

I know what ur saying, I just thought I'd add that:).

Yeah, well, talking back to your parents is punishable by death in the Bible. That's what I mean about putting the texts in the proper historical context.

[yavoon]

Yeah, well, talking back to your parents is punishable by death in the Bible. That's what I mean about putting the texts in the proper historical context.

its ok though cuz I'm not christian. and as far as I know jesus came w/ his new testament to get rid of a lot of silliness(not that I particularly want to argue here).

it always fascinates me how everytime I bring up a fact about islamic theology I almost always get a christian response. like clockwork.

[alkemical]

puke

(actually, this was predicted. not hillary but the smear.)

I disagree Hillary's a leftist. She's probably a trilateralist, where govt-industry-labor partner to divy stuff up and allocate resources, but then so is Poppy - he's sort of the grand dad of living trilateralists.

Bushii is not, and he's a living breathing disaster. A national typhoid mary.

I'm not sure what Obama's about. One has to admit (unless one is Fox or hillary or the gop) that Obama's integrally tied to helping the working poor. But so was WJC.

Helping the working poor, or keeping the poor working?

[defenseman]

Helping the working poor, or keeping the poor working?

maintain the downtrodden, and you always have a job eh?....dman

Sounds familiar....

[Crushaholic]

If you are a flaming liberal you need to think about all of the mud that is being slung around now, it is by the democrats. Most of what is being slung is being done so by Hillary's camp. Should she be exempt from the same treatment?

I think not!

I'm not a liberal, but I'm commenting on a poison that both parties make people drink. The mudslinging WILL happen on both sides, but I would rather not hear about it this soon...

[defenseman]

I'm not a liberal, but I'm commenting on a poison that both parties make people drink. The mudslinging WILL happen on both sides, but I would rather not hear about it this soon...

Nor I, getting tired of both sides of the fence, then again, it is entertaining sometimes..dman

[alkemical]

maintain the downtrodden, and you always have a job eh?....dman

Sounds familiar....



Works for anyone in any position of power.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Yep we are going to get a lot great of entertainment out of the billions of dollars that will be spent on these next elections. Guess I am naive, but seems to me that money could be better spent. Maybe in research of alternative fuels, maybe to rebuild infrastructure, maybe ......... Instead we will be stuck with a bunch of hot air from all of these political morons and no solutions.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Yeah, well, talking back to your parents is punishable by death in the Bible. That's what I mean about putting the texts in the proper historical context.

I thought that we were talking about context? If we are, then you have to read those passages in the context of the Gospel (which means "good news"). The Gospels are the most important books to use in exegesis. Everything is filtered through Jesus.

[defenseman]

Works for anyone in any position of power.

Unfortunately, their are those who subscribe to this sort of mandate. Very very sad indeed..dman

[defenseman]

Yep we are going to get a lot great of entertainment out of the billions of dollars that will be spent on these next elections. Guess I am naive, but seems to me that money could be better spent. Maybe in research of alternative fuels, maybe to rebuild infrastructure, maybe ......... Instead we will be stuck with a bunch of hot air from all of these political morons and no solutions.

In spirit i agree. However, the decay of the political process is almost unstoppable at this point. Pretty scary actually. Pretty soon, they'll get elected by being the best of the worst and how well they "sit on their hands". Not good times these days...dman

*then again best of the worst has been around for a while now, their in the process of perfecting sitting on their hands.

[bendog]

maintain the downtrodden, and you always have a job eh?....dman

Sounds familiar....

naw, obama's state senate record supports the proposition that he was increasing the quality of life of the working poor.

Now WJC supported a lot of poultry farms and processing in Arkansas. Never seen so many damn chickens. He also co-existed with Wal-mart.