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Dempsey Dog
01-19-2007, 03:30 PM
I searched and did not see this posted from today's USA Today......

I actually think some writer for national publication actually got some things right. I do not know who wrote this, but I think it is a good assessment of our team and the future. To say the least, he acknowledged that Foxworth will probably take over Williams' CB spot next year.

The Denver Broncos have to figure out how they can get back to being a Super Bowl contender after failing in that role in 2006.
The Broncos lost in the AFC Championship Game two seasons ago and were confident they could make the Super Bowl. They didn't even make the playoffs after a 7-2 start, one of the most disappointing failures of Mike Shanahan's 12 seasons as Broncos head coach.

The Broncos' offense failed badly for the first half of the season, with quarterback Jake Plummer playing poorly. By the time the offense got a jump start from rookie quarterback Jay Cutler in the final few games, the defense was worn out from carrying so much of the load.

The Broncos could add a piece or two to a veteran roster that was infused with some young talent last season. The first step they took, however, was shaking up the coaching staff.

The Broncos fired defensive coordinator Larry Coyer on Jan. 9, and jumped at the chance to hire Jim Bates as his replacement.

Bates, who was the coordinator in Miami and Green Bay before sitting out the 2006 season, would have been a coveted assistant this offseason so the Broncos didn't waste any time hiring him. He was hired two days after Coyer was fired.

With Bates and Bob Slowik, who was promoted to the role of defensive coordinator with Bates being named as the assistant head coach/defense, the Broncos should have some fresh looks on defense.

There is some talent on defense, assuming the players can stay healthy. Offensively, the Broncos need to beef up their running game to their previous standards, and they feel Cutler will be an elite quarterback very quickly. He didn't seem fazed at all by becoming the starter in the middle of a playoff race.

The top priority in the offseason might be adding to the defensive line. Sadly, cornerback also became an issue after the tragic death of starter Darrent Williams.

How the Broncos react emotionally to Williams' death will be a big story in 2007. He was well liked by teammates, and the Broncos will surely dedicate the 2007 season to him. But there is a lot of healing that must be done in the organization. There will be plenty of reminders of Williams and emotional moments during the season.

NOTES, QUOTES

—Tight ends coach Tim Brewster became the University of Minnesota's head coach on Jan. 16. Brewster was on Denver's staff for two seasons after coming from San Diego.

That coaching position is an important one because the Broncos need to continue to develop Tony Scheffler, a second-round pick last season. Scheffler made a lot of progress late in the season and could be a valuable player to Denver's offense.

—The NFLPA created the "Darrent Williams Trust Fund," which will benefit Williams' two children, Darius and Jaelyn. Williams was killed in a shooting on Jan. 1.

NFL players will be asked to contribute to the fund during the 2007 season, and the union will also make a donation.

—The Broncos signed a couple of defensive players to future contracts, adding defensive tackle Amon Gordon and linebacker Eddie Moore.

Gordon was in Denver's plans at tackle last season but didn't perform that well in camp and spent the season on the practice squad. Moore could compete for a roster spot because the Broncos could use some more depth at linebacker. Moore spent three seasons with Miami.

QUOTE TO NOTE: "If we bring everyone back, we're going to have a good chance next year." — QB Jay Cutler.

STRATEGY AND PERSONNEL

The Broncos' defensive scheme will be different under Jim Bates, who has the title of assistant head coach/defense but will be in charge of that unit. Bates likes big tackles, which the Broncos have with Gerard Warren and Michael Myers, and fast linebackers who make tackles. That won't be a problem because the Broncos' trio has plenty of speed.

Denver will have to find some defensive ends who can line up wide and get after the quarterback. Ends like Trace Armstrong and Jason Taylor have had huge years playing for Bates.


UNIT-BY-UNIT ANALYSIS

QUARTERBACK: Starter — Jay Cutler. Backups — Jake Plummer, Preston Parsons.

Cutler played as well as the Broncos hoped when they replaced Plummer with five games to go in the season. He started slow but had the offense performing well by the end. The Broncos hope he carries that momentum into 2007 and has a big season. He has all the physical tools and picked up the offense well. Plummer's days as a Bronco are very likely done. He will be shopped in a trade, and if there's no interest he will be released. Parsons was on the practice squad all season but has a chance to stick as Cutler's backup. Otherwise, the Broncos will look for a veteran in free agency.

RUNNING BACKS: Starters — TB Tatum Bell, FB Kyle Johnson. Backups — TB Mike Bell, TB Damien Nash, TB Cedric Cobbs. Injured reserve — FB Cecil Sapp.

Tatum Bell was good at times but finished the season on a down note. He lost a costly fumble in each of Denver's last three games, and didn't run as strong as he did early in the season. He missed some time in the middle of the season with two turf toe injuries. He still broke 1,000 yards but he might not enter 2007 as the every-down starter. The Broncos will look at free agency and the draft for tailbacks if they feel Tatum Bell is best suited as a change-of-pace back. Mike Bell played well at times but was inconsistent, which is expected from a rookie. Neither Nash nor Cobbs distinguished themselves. Sapp was having a good season before he broke his leg. He and Johnson are restricted free agents who are expected back.

TIGHT ENDS: Starter — Stephen Alexander. Backups — Tony Scheffler, Chad Mustard, Nate Jackson.

Alexander has been good for the Broncos in the running game, and by the end of the year Scheffler was a good complement in the passing game. Scheffler, a rookie, came on late and showed why the Broncos invested a second-round pick on him. He runs well and has good hands, but he suffered through confidence problems in midseason, which affected his practice habits and led to him being inactive a few times. Mustard and Jackson were role players who had good moments in 2006.

WIDE RECEIVERS: Starters — Javon Walker, Rod Smith. Backups — Brandon Marshall, David Kircus, Brian Clark, Quincy Morgan. Injured reserve — Domenik Hixon.

Walker played well in his first season after suffering an ACL injury in 2005. The team's quarterback issues hurt his final numbers, but he was a big play threat and also reliable on third and short. Smith, who will be 37 in May, had a tough season. His numbers plummeted, and the Broncos will have to reevaluate his role. Marshall came on late in the season and looks like a future starter. He has a great size and speed combination and is smart, so he didn't struggle picking up the offense. Morgan had some moments late in the season as a kickoff returner, but he's a free agent. The Broncos could use some more depth.

OFFENSIVE LINE: Starters — LT Erik Pears, LG Ben Hamilton, C Tom Nalen, RG Cooper Carlisle, RT George Foster. Backups — T Adam Meadows, G Chris Kuper, G/C Chris Myers. Injured reserve — LT Matt Lepsis, C Greg Eslinger.

Lepsis' injury was a huge blow for the Broncos' offense. Lepsis is good in the running game and an excellent pass blocker at left tackle. Pears, who replaced Lepsis and struggled at times, will be better for the experience. He's a good athlete and could have a future on the line, perhaps at right tackle. Former first-round pick Foster hasn't lived up to expectations, was benched in midseason and got his starting job back after Meadows got hurt. Carlisle is one of the team's few unrestricted free agents, but Kuper or Myers could be a capable replacement if he leaves. The line didn't have its best year but it should be back strong in 2007 with a healthy Lepsis.

DEFENSIVE LINE: Starters — SDE Ebenezer Ekuban, DT Gerard Warren, NT Michael Myers, WDE Kenard Lang. Backups — DE John Engelberger, DT Kenny Peterson, DE Patrick Chukwurah, DE Elvis Dumervil, DT Antwon Burton, DT Demetrin Veal. Injured reserve — DE Courtney Brown.

The starting four was solid, not spectacular. The Broncos have built some depth on the line and have an effective rotation. The unit took a hit in the preseason when Brown had knee surgery and never recovered. Lang went in the starting lineup and had a good year. Chukwurah and Dumervil were quick off the edge and would probably work well in new coordinator Jim Bates' system. Chukwurah is an unrestricted free agent. So is Myers, and underrated run stuffer who has had two good years for the Broncos. Warren had toe injuries all season and didn't have a big year after getting a big contract. If healthy, he should rebound in 2007.

LINEBACKERS: Starters — WLB Ian Gold, MLB Al Wilson, SLB D.J. Williams. Backups — OLB Louis Green, MLB/OLB Nate Webster, MLB Keith Burns.

The starting three remain among the top units in the NFL. The team often struggles with how to get Williams more playing time, because he comes off the field in nickel situations. The playmaking abilities of Wilson and Gold dictate they stay on the field at all times. Wilson was banged up a bit this season but still made the Pro Bowl. The Broncos don't have great depth but Webster is a capable backup at all three positions. The Broncos' linebackers should see their tackle totals increase in new coordinator Jim Bates' scheme. The scheme benefits fast linebackers, and all three starters are quick to the ball.

DEFENSIVE BACKS: Starters — RCB Darrent Williams, SS Domonique Foxworth, FS John Lynch, LCB Champ Bailey. Backups — S Curome Cox, S Hamza Abdullah, CB Karl Paymah, S Steve Cargile, S Quentin Harris. Injured reserve — S Nick Ferguson, S Sam Brandon.

The Broncos lost Williams, a popular and talented teammate, in a tragic shooting on Jan. 1. Emotionally, it will be tough for the Broncos to deal with that loss. Foxworth, who was playing safety at the end of the year because of injuries despite his 180-pound frame, will likely move into the starting lineup to replace his good friend Williams. Bailey had one of the best seasons a cornerback could possibly have, with 10 interceptions despite many teams rarely throwing his direction. He's the least of Denver's worries. Lynch and Ferguson are aging and the Broncos will have to find replacements soon. Losing Brandon and Ferguson to knee injuries hurt the entire defense. Brandon was counted on as an heir apparent to either Lynch or Ferguson, but he'll have to prove he can rebound from the injury.

SPECIAL TEAMS: K Jason Elam, P Paul Ernster, LS Mike Leach, KR Quincy Morgan.

Elam had a very good season, setting a career high by hitting 93.1 percent of his field goals. His last miss was Oct. 22 at Cleveland. Ernster took over punting and kickoff duties after Todd Sauerbrun was suspended for four games and released when he came back. Ernster finished 28th in the NFL in gross punting average, but should improve. He was only a year removed from an ACL injury. The Broncos special teams as a whole struggled all season. They had trouble finding reliable return men, although Quincy Morgan made a few plays late in the season. Williams, who was shot and killed Jan. 1, had the ability to break a long punt return.

broncs2bowl
01-19-2007, 03:37 PM
Really the only weakness I really see on our team is the D-line. One good DT and a good DE would fix that.

We also need a stud RB but that is definately not as much a concern as the D-line.

-Those are our only weaknesses. WE WILL BE SERIOUS:strong: CONTENDERS NEXT YEAR!

Bronco Billy
01-19-2007, 03:40 PM
I didn't read the whole article, but it seemed pretty good - thanks. I don't necessarily agree that the defensive woes were from them being tired from carrying the offense the first part of the year. We played well defensively until we faced Indy. They gave the rest of the NFL a blueprint on how to beat us. Plus, we did a horrible job on defense in the second half. They may have just been tired, but we needed to do a better job of reacting to the other team's offensive adjustments.

NYBronco
01-19-2007, 03:50 PM
TIGHT ENDS: Starter — Stephen Alexander. Backups — Tony Scheffler, Chad Mustard, Nate Jackson.

Alexander has been good for the Broncos in the running game, and by the end of the year Scheffler was a good complement in the passing game. Scheffler, a rookie, came on late and showed why the Broncos invested a second-round pick on him. He runs well and has good hands, but he suffered through confidence problems in midseason, which affected his practice habits and led to him being inactive a few times. Mustard and Jackson were role players who had good moments in 2006.


Confidence problems from who? Scheffler performed very well with the rookie Cutler at QB. One would think Scheffler's confidence would be more recognizable playing with a veteran QB.

KipCorrington25
01-19-2007, 03:53 PM
That article makes us sound great but lets be realistic here this is a 9-7 team so I'm not so optimistic.

Kaylore
01-19-2007, 04:02 PM
That article makes us sound great but lets be realistic here this is a 9-7 team so I'm not so optimistic.

Look at the division and conference we play in, then look at the NFC, and then re-read what you just wrote. We're pretty good.

ro_50
01-19-2007, 04:04 PM
Compared to the other analysis out there, that was pretty solid.

Bronco Billy
01-19-2007, 04:05 PM
Look at the division and conference we play in, then look at the NFC, and then re-read what you just wrote. We're pretty good.

We do have a good team, but going 2-5 after starting 7-2 and missing the playoffs when we were tied for home field advantage in November is a pretty monumental collapse.

maven
01-19-2007, 04:13 PM
Very good article. The team has some weakness, but the team is no Raiders.

I seriously think if Denver can sign/draft DT/DE, S, and RB, Denver will be back in the playoffs. There are going to be holes, but I feel an upgrade at these positions will offer immediate results.

Rohirrim
01-19-2007, 04:23 PM
That article makes us sound great but lets be realistic here this is a 9-7 team so I'm not so optimistic.

Let's see: You have a starting DT and RB playing injured most of the season, starting LT out, starting DE out, two lead players in their nickle and STs out, losing a starting punter, and a QB doing his best imitation of a flaming spiral into the ground until he was replaced by a rookie during a playoff run - in the toughest division in the NFL! Geez, gimme a break, will ya?

If all of these guys come back healthy, plus they get a difference maker (or two) in the draft, and a real starter in FA, this team is in the top tier in the NFL.

It blows my mind to imagine what could happen. Just think for a minute of one scenario off the top of my head - The Broncos sign FA Asante Samuel, and draft Reggie Nelson, moving Foxworth to safety in the interim while Nelson gets his feet wet. Brown and Warren come back healthy, with Elvis having his first year under his belt. Suddenly, you have the best secondary in the game (Champ, Asante, Lynch, Nelson/Foxworth) which takes your already solid Dline of Ekuban/Elvis, Myers, Warren and Brown, and makes them twice as good because of the unbelievable downfield coverage. Throw in that you have a new coach (Bates) and new position coaches all over the place. By week four, you might be watching the best defense in the NFL.

2KBack
01-19-2007, 04:40 PM
Let's see: You have a starting DT and RB playing injured most of the season, starting LT out, starting DE out, two lead players in their nickle and STs out, losing a starting punter, and a QB doing his best imitation of a flaming spiral into the ground until he was replaced by a rookie during a playoff run - in the toughest division in the NFL! Geez, gimme a break, will ya?

If all of these guys come back healthy, plus they get a difference maker (or two) in the draft, and a real starter in FA, this team is in the top tier in the NFL.

It blows my mind to imagine what could happen. Just think for a minute of one scenario off the top of my head - The Broncos sign FA Asante Samuel, and draft Reggie Nelson, moving Foxworth to safety in the interim while Nelson gets his feet wet. Brown and Warren come back healthy, with Elvis having his first year under his belt. Suddenly, you have the best secondary in the game (Champ, Asante, Lynch, Nelson/Foxworth) which takes your already solid Dline of Ekuban/Elvis, Myers, Warren and Brown, and makes them twice as good because of the unbelievable downfield coverage. Throw in that you have a new coach (Bates) and new position coaches all over the place. By week four, you might be watching the best defense in the NFL.

Throw in the invaluable experience that the rookies got. Pears could be a huge upgrade over Foster, and if lepsis comes back healthy the line will be that much better. I'm sure Sheff will be blaocking all offseason. Mike Bell will be infinitly more comfortable. The recievers will have a whole offseason with Cutler, who is now semi battle tested.. Dumervil knows is figuring out how to beat NFL olines. Not only are guys comng back from injury, but the new guys won't be rookies anymore. That is why it won;t be a 9-7 team anymore.

footstepsfrom#27
01-19-2007, 04:45 PM
Really the only weakness I really see on our team is the D-line. One good DT and a good DE would fix that.

We also need a stud RB but that is definately not as much a concern as the D-line.

-Those are our only weaknesses. WE WILL BE SERIOUS:strong: CONTENDERS NEXT YEAR!

How soon they forget.

http://cache.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/Team/foster_mug.jpg

long beach bronco
01-19-2007, 04:45 PM
I like your tone of voice.

Sassy
01-19-2007, 04:47 PM
Confidence problems from who? Scheffler performed very well with the rookie Cutler at QB. One would think Scheffler's confidence would be more recognizable playing with a veteran QB.

I was wondering that too...Scheff had an awesome game trying to bring us back against the chargers in December.

Dempsey Dog
01-19-2007, 04:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rohirrim
Let's see: You have a starting DT and RB playing injured most of the season, starting LT out, starting DE out, two lead players in their nickle and STs out, losing a starting punter, and a QB doing his best imitation of a flaming spiral into the ground until he was replaced by a rookie during a playoff run - in the toughest division in the NFL! Geez, gimme a break, will ya?

If all of these guys come back healthy, plus they get a difference maker (or two) in the draft, and a real starter in FA, this team is in the top tier in the NFL.

It blows my mind to imagine what could happen. Just think for a minute of one scenario off the top of my head - The Broncos sign FA Asante Samuel, and draft Reggie Nelson, moving Foxworth to safety in the interim while Nelson gets his feet wet. Brown and Warren come back healthy, with Elvis having his first year under his belt. Suddenly, you have the best secondary in the game (Champ, Asante, Lynch, Nelson/Foxworth) which takes your already solid Dline of Ekuban/Elvis, Myers, Warren and Brown, and makes them twice as good because of the unbelievable downfield coverage. Throw in that you have a new coach (Bates) and new position coaches all over the place. By week four, you might be watching the best defense in the NFL.


Throw in the invaluable experience that the rookies got. Pears could be a huge upgrade over Foster, and if lepsis comes back healthy the line will be that much better. I'm sure Sheff will be blaocking all offseason. Mike Bell will be infinitly more comfortable. The recievers will have a whole offseason with Cutler, who is now semi battle tested.. Dumervil knows is figuring out how to beat NFL olines. Not only are guys comng back from injury, but the new guys won't be rookies anymore. That is why it won;t be a 9-7 team anymore.



As an optomist, there are way too many "if this" and "if that" in the above statements. Why don't we just say "when ___ happens". It is much better!
We will make the playoffs next year and we will be better.

bombquixote
01-19-2007, 05:02 PM
Really the only weakness I really see on our team is the D-line. One good DT and a good DE would fix that.

We also need a stud RB but that is definately not as much a concern as the D-line.

-Those are our only weaknesses. WE WILL BE SERIOUS:strong: CONTENDERS NEXT YEAR!

I'll add safety to that list. Lynch is good in run support, but he's no longer fast enough to reliably cover. Fergy's okay, but definitely no allstar. We need to add a new stud there, or at the very least add some depth. We need some depth at receiver, too. And as you say, getting our hands on a bigtime RB would be HUGE.

Inkana7
01-19-2007, 05:04 PM
Let's see: You have a starting DT and RB playing injured most of the season, starting LT out, starting DE out, two lead players in their nickle and STs out, losing a starting punter, and a QB doing his best imitation of a flaming spiral into the ground until he was replaced by a rookie during a playoff run - in the toughest division in the NFL! Geez, gimme a break, will ya?

If all of these guys come back healthy, plus they get a difference maker (or two) in the draft, and a real starter in FA, this team is in the top tier in the NFL.

It blows my mind to imagine what could happen. Just think for a minute of one scenario off the top of my head - The Broncos sign FA Asante Samuel, and draft Reggie Nelson, moving Foxworth to safety in the interim while Nelson gets his feet wet. Brown and Warren come back healthy, with Elvis having his first year under his belt. Suddenly, you have the best secondary in the game (Champ, Asante, Lynch, Nelson/Foxworth) which takes your already solid Dline of Ekuban/Elvis, Myers, Warren and Brown, and makes them twice as good because of the unbelievable downfield coverage. Throw in that you have a new coach (Bates) and new position coaches all over the place. By week four, you might be watching the best defense in the NFL.

Step One: Scrape up enough dough for Asante Samuel.

That would be the dream, but at this point, I wouldn't bet much on it happening.

azbroncfan
01-19-2007, 06:43 PM
That article makes us sound great but lets be realistic here this is a 9-7 team so I'm not so optimistic.

Tell me what the difference is between 9-7 and 11-5? A few breaks here and there and there is the difference. I do agree denver has some weaknesses in DL, S, OL pass protection, RB and an unproven QB, young WR's and TE's. Long way to go but who knows, I would bet 100 percent no one here picked NO to be in the NFC champ game.

Cito Pelon
01-19-2007, 07:36 PM
I respect the board optimists' opinion, but I'm tired of being optimistic. I don't think this team will have the talent to win a playoff game next year. The DL needs a couple new starters, need a couple new LB starters, need a couple new DB starters, need another good TE, need new OG starters, need one new OT starter at least.

IMO, that is what is needed to make a playoff run and that's too much to get in one off-season.

WoodMan
01-19-2007, 07:37 PM
Confidence problems from who? Scheffler performed very well with the rookie Cutler at QB. One would think Scheffler's confidence would be more recognizable playing with a veteran QB.

Remember that he was deactivated for three game. that had to do with his previous play and practices. So Id say yes, he had a little problem with confidence, which he found later in the year. Those were two great catches for TD's against the Chargers.

watermock
01-19-2007, 08:43 PM
What makes you think a USA today writer is a Bronco homer or apologist?

It's better than the dreadfull dandruf Lint-Comb flaked off his skull. I thought it was a very good piece...nothing really we didn't allready know, but well formatted and surprisingly knowlegable. One of the only things he missed on is how suddenly Marshall and especially Scheff woke up under Cutler. Now I do understand they worked out and Scheff even roomed with Jay, but that is a good sign.

I wish Javon would of gone to DWill's funeral not because it was disrespectfull, because it might of helped him. I have a suspicion he's dealing with alot of guilt. Enough of that...I'm not really over it because the kid was SO ALIVE.

Fret not Broncomaniacs, things are not as bleak as we think...That was a rough New Years all around. The Bungles make that 38 yard FG we win a spot. Just a couple small breaks we could of gone 11-5 easy. Coyer's soft zones with games on the line made me crazy.

I like the coaching changes, they are what they are...the important thing is they start working together, and get a general war plan sorted out...obviously Shanahan is the Alphfa male, he rest of the pack will have time to sort out things.

Willynowei
01-19-2007, 09:38 PM
Miami has had great defensive success in both run and pass even though they had fat two gap tackles.

Of course, they also had two probowl De-ends. Jake Plummer for Jason Taylor! Sounds fair to me :)

snowspot66
01-19-2007, 09:42 PM
I respect the board optimists' opinion, but I'm tired of being optimistic. I don't think this team will have the talent to win a playoff game next year. The DL needs a couple new starters, need a couple new LB starters, need a couple new DB starters, need another good TE, need new OG starters, need one new OT starter at least.

IMO, that is what is needed to make a playoff run and that's too much to get in one off-season.

We always beat the Pats. We could have and should have beat the Colts. We could have and should have taken the Chargers at home. We did beat Baltimore.

We can and have beaten many of the top teams in the AFC. I'm always confident in the Broncos and this next year I am especially so. We may not be able to address all our weaknesses but we have to realize too that everyother team has weaknesses. Even the supposedly invincible Chargers showed they were vulnerable.

wyobronco
01-19-2007, 11:12 PM
That article makes us sound great but lets be realistic here this is a 9-7 team so I'm not so optimistic.

Last year Sandy Eggo was the greatest 9-7 team ever, this year they were the best team ever. Denver will clearly follow this formula for success.

Cito Pelon
01-19-2007, 11:25 PM
We always beat the Pats. We could have and should have beat the Colts. We could have and should have taken the Chargers at home. We did beat Baltimore.

We can and have beaten many of the top teams in the AFC. I'm always confident in the Broncos and this next year I am especially so. We may not be able to address all our weaknesses but we have to realize too that everyother team has weaknesses. Even the supposedly invincible Chargers showed they were vulnerable.

I'm not in an optimistic mood, and I won't be talked out of it. Period. You almost did, though. I felt a fleeting burst of optimism. Keep it up, maybe I'll come around . . . . . .

2KBack
01-20-2007, 12:00 AM
I'm not in an optimistic mood, and I won't be talked out of it. Period. You almost did, though. I felt a fleeting burst of optimism. Keep it up, maybe I'll come around . . . . . .

The pain is still too fresh for you. Not long after the Draft you'll start feeling those hope rise just like the rest of us.

Drek
01-20-2007, 12:06 AM
Pretty good summation of the team.

The optimists need to take off the orange and blue goggles though. This team was a playoff contender with Jake shooting us in the foot for about 6 games so there's no reason why the same group can't contend next year. But that isn't good enough. Patchwork fixes don't solve ****.

Why pay Asante Samuel a fortune when we already have two pretty good DBs behind Champ in Foxworth and Paymah? If we need DB help its a safety who can cover.

And yeah, we need DL help bad. We need someone to start over Meyers who is better suited to a backup role, while our current backup, Veal, probably shouldn't be anything more than an injury replacement. More NFL level DEs would be nice too. Chukwurah shouldn't be seeing any time on sundays and Engelberger's should be in a limited capacity. Brown can't be relied on in any capacity.

We also need to get a legit feature back too, something that used to be a calling card of this team, not this dual back mediocrity.

But then, my belief is that we want a dynasty level team, a perenial division champ who is eyeing the championship every year. If you're happy with being an outside candidate who might get lucky then yeah, we're pretty close.

rubaiyat
01-20-2007, 01:51 AM
Pretty good summation of the team.

The optimists need to take off the orange and blue goggles though. This team was a playoff contender with Jake shooting us in the foot for about 6 games so there's no reason why the same group can't contend next year. But that isn't good enough. Patchwork fixes don't solve ****.

Why pay Asante Samuel a fortune when we already have two pretty good DBs behind Champ in Foxworth and Paymah? If we need DB help its a safety who can cover.

And yeah, we need DL help bad. We need someone to start over Meyers who is better suited to a backup role, while our current backup, Veal, probably shouldn't be anything more than an injury replacement. More NFL level DEs would be nice too. Chukwurah shouldn't be seeing any time on sundays and Engelberger's should be in a limited capacity. Brown can't be relied on in any capacity.

We also need to get a legit feature back too, something that used to be a calling card of this team, not this dual back mediocrity.

But then, my belief is that we want a dynasty level team, a perenial division champ who is eyeing the championship every year. If you're happy with being an outside candidate who might get lucky then yeah, we're pretty close.

In all of football there are only 3-4 guys who are "feature" backs. I wish us luck, but I think we can do without as no team currently playing has a "feature" back.

Rohirrim
01-20-2007, 08:00 AM
Pretty good summation of the team.

The optimists need to take off the orange and blue goggles though. This team was a playoff contender with Jake shooting us in the foot for about 6 games so there's no reason why the same group can't contend next year. But that isn't good enough. Patchwork fixes don't solve ****.

Why pay Asante Samuel a fortune when we already have two pretty good DBs behind Champ in Foxworth and Paymah? If we need DB help its a safety who can cover.

And yeah, we need DL help bad. We need someone to start over Meyers who is better suited to a backup role, while our current backup, Veal, probably shouldn't be anything more than an injury replacement. More NFL level DEs would be nice too. Chukwurah shouldn't be seeing any time on sundays and Engelberger's should be in a limited capacity. Brown can't be relied on in any capacity.

We also need to get a legit feature back too, something that used to be a calling card of this team, not this dual back mediocrity.

But then, my belief is that we want a dynasty level team, a perenial division champ who is eyeing the championship every year. If you're happy with being an outside candidate who might get lucky then yeah, we're pretty close.

You contradict yourself. You say it's okay to have a couple of "pretty good" DBs, but then you argue against the idea of having some "pretty good" DTs or DEs. The two units support each other and make each other better. In the scenario I gave, you have a top echelon secondary (probably the best in the league, in that example) which gives your "pretty good" Dline a couple of more seconds on the rush. That's all they need.

There's two ways to go about it. Either you have a speed rusher who can get to the QB before he sets up, or you have a secondary that doesn't give the QB anywhere to go, until it's too late. My argument is that the Broncos (being in the same division as LJ and LT) cannot afford to sell out on the perimeter rush, even if they were able to find a Freeney type talent. So, the next best thing is to build the best secondary in football with a balance of run support. IMO, that example would give you that.

As far as the "dual back mediocrity" goes, judging by the teams in the final four right now, the dual back concept is working pretty damn well. At least I'm willing to bet that most Bronco fans would be happy as hell to have a Reggie/Deuce backfield. When the Broncos were running at their best, yes, they had TD. But they also had Howard Griffith. I seem to remember him scoring a whole bunch of clutch TDs.

Hogan11
01-20-2007, 08:32 AM
I'm not too sure I totally believe in Foxworth....then again, I didn't totally believe in Williams either. The need for a second totally solid corner is there and especially glaring without those DL pass rushers. DL, CB, OL, RB & S in that order.

Hogan11
01-20-2007, 08:35 AM
As far as the "dual back mediocrity" goes, judging by the teams in the final four right now, the dual back concept is working pretty damn well. At least I'm willing to bet that most Bronco fans would be happy as hell to have a Reggie/Deuce backfield. When the Broncos were running at their best, yes, they had TD. But they also had Howard Griffith. I seem to remember him scoring a whole bunch of clutch TDs.

A lot of people don't like it, but it's obivous league wide that the days of the "every down feature back" are rapidly coming to a close.

Imdkeeper
01-20-2007, 09:38 AM
That article makes us sound great but lets be realistic here this is a 9-7 team so I'm not so optimistic.

? ? ??? ? ? I really dont understand the pessimism. THAT WAS a 9-7 team. Because history rarely repeats itself... and because of all of the changes that have been made, and those yet to come, why would you expect the same next year?

A = 2006 Denver Broncos - Plummer + Cutler = Offense
B = 2006 Denver Broncos - Coyer + Bates = Defense
C = 2006 Denver broncos - Bad Players + Good Players = A Better Bronco Team

Therefore A+B+C=(2007 Denver Broncos > 2006 Denver Broncos).

Believe it or not, I'm really not into math... :rofl: but the bottom line is that it's Mike Shanahan's job to make sure that history doesn't repeat itself. Denver WILL Be a better team next year... You can bank on it. :thumbsup:

Drek
01-20-2007, 10:21 AM
In all of football there are only 3-4 guys who are "feature" backs. I wish us luck, but I think we can do without as no team currently playing has a "feature" back.

How's that? A feature back is just that, the featured runner who gets the lion's share of carries and can be productive with 20+ touches. Many teams have guys they do that with.

You contradict yourself. You say it's okay to have a couple of "pretty good" DBs, but then you argue against the idea of having some "pretty good" DTs or DEs. The two units support each other and make each other better. In the scenario I gave, you have a top echelon secondary (probably the best in the league, in that example) which gives your "pretty good" Dline a couple of more seconds on the rush. That's all they need.
You should work on reading comprehension. I said we could do well with pretty good DBs opposite Champ Bailey, the best CB in the NFL. Thats not a pretty good secondary, its a very good secondary, especially if we add the much needed cover safety I mentioned.


There's two ways to go about it. Either you have a speed rusher who can get to the QB before he sets up, or you have a secondary that doesn't give the QB anywhere to go, until it's too late. My argument is that the Broncos (being in the same division as LJ and LT) cannot afford to sell out on the perimeter rush, even if they were able to find a Freeney type talent. So, the next best thing is to build the best secondary in football with a balance of run support. IMO, that example would give you that.
No one can cover if their DL can't consistantly pressure the QB. DBs fight a losing battle, trying to win that won't work at the NFL level. Teams will play a safe front, hold our mediocre DL at bay, and give their receivers all day to come free. The best defenses create heavy pressure on the QB every snap.


As far as the "dual back mediocrity" goes, judging by the teams in the final four right now, the dual back concept is working pretty damn well. At least I'm willing to bet that most Bronco fans would be happy as hell to have a Reggie/Deuce backfield. When the Broncos were running at their best, yes, they had TD. But they also had Howard Griffith. I seem to remember him scoring a whole bunch of clutch TDs.
Its not a problem with having two backs see carries in a single game, its flip flopping from week to week and half to half that is dooming us to mediocrity. The playoff teams all have the same guy getting the running game started each week, then they bring in the other guy to spell him or change the pace of the offense, one is a feature back while the other is a change of pace guy. Set roles let them excel, much like starters and closers in baseball.

Jamal Lewis started every game for Baltimore and was used as a traditional feature back, taking tons of carries every week.

Corey Dillon started all but three games, those other three the Pats started with a no back set. He would start the running game and Maroney would take over midway through. Had Dillon been healthier this year the division of carries would likely be more significant.

Rhodes started every game for the Colts, but Addai got by far more carries after Rhodes' initial half dozen touches.

Deuce McAllister started 13 of 15 games, like Dillon he had injury problems, but he had nearly 100 more touches than Bush.

Thomas Jones saw nearly 300 carries and started every game. Standard feature back.

Our problem isn't with our concept though, its a talent and execution issue. Shanahan ran a great dual back set last year, Anderson was the feature back and Bell went in to break big plays. This year Bell got the start when healthy but he never got it done and Shanahan kept flip flopping between him and Mike but never made the change to go with Mike over a healthy Tatum. I think its pretty clear now that Tatum can't be a feature back and needs to stay in a change of pace role, so the FO needs to decide if Mike is a feature back to build a gameplan around or if we need to bring someone else in.

RunSilentRunDeep
01-20-2007, 05:15 PM
What makes you think a USA today writer is a Bronco homer or apologist?

Just so everyone knows, the Inside Slants seen on USA TODAY and other sites are done by a stringer network. This was absolutely written by a Post or RMN writer.

I still think we need a serious 3rd WR. Maybe the sprained ankle helps Ginn fall. He'd be a perfect in the slot and a major-league KR threat.

Steve Prefontaine
01-20-2007, 05:32 PM
Last year Sandy Eggo was the greatest 9-7 team ever, this year they were the best team ever. Denver will clearly follow this formula for success.
Except of course for chocking in the playoffs.

Cito Pelon
01-20-2007, 06:45 PM
The pain is still too fresh for you. Not long after the Draft you'll start feeling those hope rise just like the rest of us.

No way. I'm gonna be negative all the way through next season, no matter what. So don't hate me for it, that's just how it will be. I gotta be me.

Cito Pelon
01-20-2007, 07:31 PM
I agree with Drek. This team right now seems to be stuck in the second-tier of contenders for Titles of any kind. With a third-place sched next year maybe they can contend for the Div Title, but they'll need some good FA signings and some starters from the draft. This team needs an overhaul to be a real contender.

If this past season was an aberration, if it was the odd year out of a pattern, then I would be more optimistic. But it was another year where the pattern was reinforced. The team had a hard time winning in the first half of the season, then played worse in the second half. Same old pattern. Once again, the team's playoff hopes down the stretch depended on other AFC teams stumbling to have a chance at a wildcard berth. Same pattern I've seen for 8 consecutive years with 2005 the aberration.

2006 was one of the worst years of the pattern, since all the team had to do was win or tie game 16 at home against a 6-9 team to at least make the playoffs.

Shanny & Co. made a decision last off season to keep the team intact with just a few tweaks, and I admired the loyalty he showed to his Div Champ team by doing so. The team did not respond as expected. I think it's time for an overhaul of the roster. The current team needs a lot of new starters.

2KBack
01-20-2007, 07:44 PM
No way. I'm gonna be negative all the way through next season, no matter what. So don't hate me for it, that's just how it will be. I gotta be me.

Be negative if you need to be. It'll make for better discussions. Doesn't seem like a very enjoyable way to spend a football season though.

Cito Pelon
01-20-2007, 08:20 PM
Be negative if you need to be. It'll make for better discussions. Doesn't seem like a very enjoyable way to spend a football season though.

Well, it probably won't be an enjoyable season if the team gets their asses kicked again down the stretch, agaiinst the better teams, or in the playoffs.

If the team had some decent seasons where they won Div Titles and actually challenged for AFC Titles I wouldn't be so negative. I remember prior to 1997 there was one hell of a lot of people saying "I'd rather not even get to the Super Bowl rather than lose another one." I was definintely not in that camp. I was very happy to have won so many playoff games and AFC Titles.

Now, hell, the team has a terrible playoff record for 8 consecutive seasons. They never really challenged for an AFC Title since 1998, barely challenged for a Div Title, and had to sneak into the playoffs only to go belly-up, one and done.

I don't see that changing next year. Maybe in 2008 the team can actually compete in the playoffs.

Inkana7
01-20-2007, 08:29 PM
No way. I'm gonna be negative all the way through next season, no matter what. So don't hate me for it, that's just how it will be. I gotta be me.
Because, obviously, you being negative will help the team out a lot.

Xenos
01-20-2007, 11:46 PM
The Denver Broncos will compete like they always do. As long as you guys have Shannahan I wouldn't worry too much about anything. Obviously you need a pass rush and a better oline, but those things will come along fine as the offseason continues. I think your oline is serviceable for now so Shannahan will probably go with a DT and DE this offseason.

Dempsey Dog
01-21-2007, 10:18 AM
? ? ??? ? ? I really dont understand the pessimism. THAT WAS a 9-7 team. Because history rarely repeats itself... and because of all of the changes that have been made, and those yet to come, why would you expect the same next year?

A = 2006 Denver Broncos - Plummer + Cutler = Offense
B = 2006 Denver Broncos - Coyer + Bates = Defense
C = 2006 Denver broncos - Bad Players + Good Players = A Better Bronco Team

Therefore A+B+C=(2007 Denver Broncos < 2006 Denver Broncos).

Believe it or not, I'm really not into math... :rofl: but the bottom line is that it's Mike Shanahan's job to make sure that history doesn't repeat itself. Denver WILL Be a better team next year... You can bank on it. :thumbsup:

I like your positive outlook. I feel the same way. You do need to correct your formula. Basically, what you wrote is "2007 Denver Broncos < (less than) 2006 Denver Broncos". You need to switch it to "2007 Denver Broncos > (greater than) 2006 Denver Broncos"

I am math guy, what can I say? :thumbsup:

orinjkrush
01-21-2007, 12:41 PM
with shanny and co. the 2007 version will be competitive AGAIN. let's not get too spoiled that we don't appreciate that. and the team will be better in some areas, through draft, FA etc. the only problem is that every team gets to improve the same way (or not dependent on ability to judge talent and manage money). sometimes i think we are great at managing the money but only average or so at judging talent. we should "steal" some talent evaluators from Sandy eggo or peetesberger.

Imdkeeper
01-26-2007, 10:32 AM
I like your positive outlook. I feel the same way. You do need to correct your formula. Basically, what you wrote is "2007 Denver Broncos < (less than) 2006 Denver Broncos". You need to switch it to "2007 Denver Broncos > (greater than) 2006 Denver Broncos"

I am math guy, what can I say? :thumbsup:

LOL ... I told ya I wasn't into math... Thank you for the correction:wave:

Cito Pelon
12-23-2007, 12:57 PM
Bump. WTH, why not? Maybe one more bump and I'll get banned for "bump-spamming". I actually got banned for "bump-spamming" one time. Maybe I'll risk one more . . . . Give me one more, mods.

LonghornBronco
12-24-2007, 01:39 AM
I know it's prob fun for you guys to have a pissin match, but it makes for an irritating read...

Blueflame
12-24-2007, 02:04 AM
Bump. WTH, why not? Maybe one more bump and I'll get banned for "bump-spamming". I actually got banned for "bump-spamming" one time. Maybe I'll risk one more . . . . Give me one more, mods.

I'll assume there was a valid reason why you bumped this, Cito.... however, an explanation as to why it belongs at the top of the page now might be nice.