If Peyton Manning defeats Tom Brady this weekend, is he still a choke artist?

[GonzoLays]

If Peyton is able to beat the 'clutchest' QB of 21st century in a playoff game, would he still be considered a choke artist? And what becomes of Brady is he loses to a QB who has a history of choking? That is not very 'clutch' you know.

[Spider]

call me sentimental , but Pay me a ton will always be a choke artist to me .....i will just think of him as a Choke artist in remission ;D

[GonzoLays]

call me sentimental , but Pay me a ton will always be a choke artist to me .....i will just think of him as a Choke artist in remission ;D

But isn't it impossible for Manning to defeat Brady? Unclutch cannot defeat clutch unless clutch morphs into an unclutchness that is even more severe than the true unclutch player. Is that even possible?

[rubaiyat]

But isn't it impossible for Manning to defeat Brady? Unclutch cannot defeat clutch unless clutch morphs into an unclutchness that is even more severe than the true unclutch player. Is that even possible?

We'll wait and see. The only knock against Peyton, professionally would be the lack of leadership and winning a ring.

Once he does that, I think there really isn't room for criticism.

I personally hope he does at least beat the Pats, only cause I couldn't stand a whole season of Bristol based Pats love.

I can handle more Peyton ads...they already are everywhere.

[Spider]

But isn't it impossible for Manning to defeat Brady? Unclutch cannot defeat clutch unless clutch morphs into an unclutchness that is even more severe than the true unclutch player. Is that even possible?

no it isnt impossible , unless they are in a dance contest ..........what you should be asking is , is it impossible for the Colts D to beat Brady or the Pats D defeat Manning .............. though wouldnt mind seeing manning , and Brady arm wrestle ;D

[rbackfactory80]

There is still a superbowl after this game.

[GonzoLays]

no it isnt impossible , unless they are in a dance contest ..........what you should be asking is , is it impossible for the Colts D to beat Brady or the Pats D defeat Manning .............. though wouldnt mind seeing manning , and Brady arm wrestle ;D

Wait, are you trying to imply that football is a team sport? If so, how can Manning be labeled as a choke artist?

[azbroncfan]

Well colts are favorites so I don't think he gets rid of label but just think if he loses.

[ozomulsion]

Manning can not and will never be able to beat a BB defense period. Brady will allways come up cluth when it counts anyway.

[OrangeShadow]

Well that depends on a couple of different things.

One, if his defense plays like they have and forces multiple mistakes by tom brady and manning plays like he has so far but they still win then i dont think the monkey is deemed off his back.

If he goes out and plays one of the best games of his career and his defense returns to form but he leads the colts to a win then i think he gets PART of the monkey off his back. He has to win the superbowl to fully rid himself of that title.

[snowspot66]

I agree. His play has been just short of pure ass. His defense playing well against soft offenses has been the big thing so far.

[ludo21]

Its the Patriots vs. Colts.

It depends on how each team plays. At some moment in the game one of the QB's will have to make a play. I think Payaton finally will get over the hump and into the SB.

[Atlas]

If Peyton is able to beat the 'clutchest' QB of 21st century in a playoff game, would he still be considered a choke artist? And what becomes of Brady is he loses to a QB who has a history of choking? That is not very 'clutch' you know.

Gonzo I think if Manning wins than he will lose the playoff choke thing.... Of course the Colts would then be a big favorite in the Superbowl. If he lost the Superbowl than he would have a new "Choke in the Superbowl" tag.

[Atlas]

Brady will allways come up cluth when it counts anyway.

Like he did in last year's playoffs?

[GonzoLays]

Like he did in last year's playoffs?

*cough* unclutch...bailey int in endzone...choke dog...*cough*

[broncofan]

Yes...b/c he'll manage to lose the Super Bowl anyway.

[Spider]

Wait, are you trying to imply that football is a team sport? If so, how can Manning be labeled as a choke artist?

executing pass plays exclude balls that receivers drop , see how many are errant , ........ I would start there , work my way down to the gyrations before the snap .......you can have a good team , then turn the ball over at the worst times ala Plummer

[Pendejo]

I don't know about a choke artist...but he'll always be a dickhead.

[watermock]

Manning has been choking two weeks in a row...5 picks, 1 TD...Ironically, it's been their D that has stepped up.

[broncocalijohn]

Would that mean that elway was a choke up until SB 32? Manning will have that gone unless he does it a few times after he succeeds. Nothing happens to Brady if he loses. Only GonzoLays comes up with this one.

[Spider]

Would that mean that elway was a choke up until SB 32? Manning will have that gone unless he does it a few times after he succeeds. Nothing happens to Brady if he loses. Only GonzoLays comes up with this one.

;D naw it is clear Elway carried those teams

[Odysseus]

Elway was a choke artist until he won. Manning wins and the press will get on both knees and roll all over the place with him like he was wearing Axe cologne for men.

FYI: Please Broncos gods forgive me for invoking the name of Elway in the same vicinity as this unproven star of commercials.

[watermock]

Elway at least got a average team to three SB's before winning his B2B and dual trophies to ride the white bronco into the sunset...John...please drop off Thunder at Dove Valley.

Once Manning at least gets to a SB he will be a choke artist. Elway struggled in SB's with obviously inferior teams...once the pieces were finally in place we rolled like the Niners or Cowgirls.

[watermock]

Elway was a choke artist until he won. Manning wins and the press will get on both knees and roll all over the place with him like he was wearing Axe cologne for men.

FYI: Please Broncos gods forgive me for invoking the name of Elway in the same vicinity as this unproven star of commercials.

Elway did win, in his second year...a fluke run by Brunell was like me watching Tony D run 99 yards against the Hornheads. We went 13-3 and blew that game.

Shanahan isn't afraid to shuffle the cards...keep the faith.

[Odysseus]

Elway did win, in his second year...a fluke run by Brunell was like me watching Tony D run 99 yards against the Hornheads. We went 13-3 and blew that game.

Shanahan isn't afraid to shuffle the cards...keep the faith.

Got any Defensive Tackles? Go fish.

[Raider Bill]

Isn't Brady nailing that Giselle Bunchen chick... I think he lost some of his edge... How can you care about winning and loosing when you come home to a Victoria's Secret model?


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[NaptownChief]

Bottom line is anyone with a brain already knows he is the top QB in the league and one of the best ever...Those without a brain won't have their opinion changed one bit regardless of the outcome of this game. And those that just dislike him on a personal level will always scramble for an excuse to continue to do so....If he were to happen to win this Super Bowl it would turn into "well he has only won one Super Bowl, if he wasn't a choker he would have 3 or 4..."

[BroncoInferno]

Bottom line is anyone with a brain already knows he is the top QB in the league and one of the best ever...Those without a brain won't have their opinion changed one bit regardless of the outcome of this game. And those that just dislike him on a personal level will always scramble for an excuse to continue to do so....If he were to happen to win this Super Bowl it would turn into "well he has only won one Super Bowl, if he wasn't a choker he would have 3 or 4..."

It's impossible to argue that Peyton's performance does not decline the bigger the game. Pull out any stat you want. Hell, he's got 1 TD 5 INTs so far in these playoffs. Anyone with a brain can see the bright lights of playoff football rattles him. There is just no way to deny it.

[55CrushEm]

Manning can not and will never be able to beat a BB defense period. Brady will allways come up cluth when it counts anyway.

Really? They've pretty much handled them the past 2 times they've played.

The Brady ball-washing must stop.......since when is he more clutch than Elway? How does 20+ 4th quarter comebacks all of a sudden become "more clutch" than Elway's 40+ ?!?

East coast media bias, anyone ?

My only prediction for this game is that Payton will have a better game than he did vs. KC or Baltimore.....

That is because of the Pats' secondary.......KC has Law, Surtain, Knight....Baltimore has McCallister, Reed, Rolle.......besides Samuel, who does New England have ???

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Manning can not and will never be able to beat a BB defense period. Brady will allways come up cluth when it counts anyway.I hope you weren't betting on that the last two times they played.

[NaptownChief]

It's impossible to argue that Peyton's performance does not decline the bigger the game. Pull out any stat you want. Hell, he's got 1 TD 5 INTs so far in these playoffs. Anyone with a brain can see the bright lights of playoff football rattles him. There is just no way to deny it.


Coming into this season his only bad playoff games of note were the two against NE where he had 1 TD and 5 INT's...That is against one of the best playoff defenses in history that has made nearly every QB look bad over the last 5 years and a reason why they are 13-1 in the postseason during that stretch. In the other 7 playoff games his numbers are 1,986 yards 14 TD's and 3 INT's....Hardly being "ratted" during the bright lights of the playoffs. An average of 283 yards and 2 TD, 0.42 INT per game....Yeah that is really pissing your pants. :oyvey:

[Rock Chalk]

Coming into this season his only bad playoff games of note were the two against NE where he had 1 TD and 5 INT's...That is against one of the best playoff defenses in history that has made nearly every QB look bad over the last 5 years and a reason why they are 13-1 in the postseason during that stretch. In the other 7 playoff games his numbers are 1,986 yards 14 TD's and 3 INT's....Hardly being "ratted" during the bright lights of the playoffs. An average of 283 yards and 2 TD, 0.42 INT per game....Yeah that is really pissing your pants. :oyvey:

Yeah but he got to play Coyer defenses twice where he got the majority of those yards and TDs and none of those Ints.

[NaptownChief]

Yeah but he got to play Coyer defenses twice where he got the majority of those yards and TDs and none of those Ints.



Yeah but that was a couple of great teams that had a great chance to go to the Super Bowl....everyone on here told me so.

[Rohirrim]

Well, let's put it this way; I don't see any pressure at all on NE or Brady. The Pats' legacy is secure. Looks like an avalanche of media pressure on Payaton. "Can you win the big one, Payton?" I think this game pretty much goes the same way as the SD game; He who wins the TO battle wins the game. I give that edge to NE.

[Rock Chalk]

Yeah but that was a couple of great teams that had a great chance to go to the Super Bowl....everyone on here told me so.

They did have a chance. Same as the Chiefs had a chance this year.

Get to the dance, you got a chance. Even if its small.

[NaptownChief]

Well, let's put it this way; I don't see any pressure at all on NE or Brady. The Pats' legacy is secure. Looks like an avalanche of media pressure on Payaton. "Can you win the big one, Payton?" I think this game pretty much goes the same way as the SD game; He who wins the TO battle wins the game. I give that edge to NE.



Agreed...Manning has a ton of pressure on him in this one...Probably most of it is self-applied as he knows these opportunities are hard to come by and he has even talked about the fact that he is 30 and that his number of years left are winding down. But between the media yap, the fans and himself he will probably feel like he is smashed in a vice going into this game.

[Rock Chalk]

You know what would be great?

Manning goes down with a season ending injury while losing to the Patriots only to have their backup (Sorgi?) come in and beat the Patriots then Indy go on to win the Superbowl and the team fall apart next year.

I guess great is a bad term> I dont wish injury upon Manning, but I dont wish an earned championship on him either.

[Killericon]

Were'nt there going to be other players on the field other than Brady or Manning, or this just a boxing match?

[NaptownChief]

You know what would be great?

Manning goes down with a season ending injury while losing to the Patriots only to have their backup (Sorgi?).



This is Peyton Manning we are talking about not McNabb, McNair or Vick. He takes all the hits and still gets under center to take all the snaps.

[azbroncfan]

Coming into this season his only bad playoff games of note were the two against NE where he had 1 TD and 5 INT's...That is against one of the best playoff defenses in history that has made nearly every QB look bad over the last 5 years and a reason why they are 13-1 in the postseason during that stretch. In the other 7 playoff games his numbers are 1,986 yards 14 TD's and 3 INT's....Hardly being "ratted" during the bright lights of the playoffs. An average of 283 yards and 2 TD, 0.42 INT per game....Yeah that is really pissing your pants. :oyvey:

Now I agree with most said above but what about the 40-0(probably not right score but close) whooping the jets put on them. How about the loss in kansas city fashion when they were the 1 seed and lost to Tennessee? Bottom line is he hasn't got it done in the playoffs except against Denver and only played in 1 AFC championship game and that was because he was matchup against Denver and a very very overrated KC team.

[azbroncfan]

This is Peyton Manning we are talking about not McNabb, McNair or Vick. He takes all the hits and still gets under center to take all the snaps.

Manning takes less hits by a large margin than any Q in the league. I do think that is because he is the best at blitz adjustment in the league and quite possibly ever.

[NaptownChief]

Manning takes less hits by a large margin than any Q in the league. I do think that is because he is the best at blitz adjustment in the league and quite possibly ever.


He takes his share of hits cause they pass so much but you are correct the number of hits he takes as a % of passes thrown are very low because of what you mentioned and because he reads defenses so well that he gets rid of the ball quickly cause he knows where it should go long before most QB's do.

[fdf]

Got any Defensive Tackles? Go fish.

LOL!

[Odysseus]

I guess Manning won that game which is kind of odd since he really hasn't been "winning the game" all this year.

I wonder what the Colts will look like as a team if the lose to the Bears?