The Divorce Thread

[Traveler]

Having been through a divorce, I will never again complain about the division of marital assets after reading how Michael Strahan's stupidity has caused him to lose half his net worth. DAMN!

Undoubtedly, there was a collective tremor among pro athletes when days ago, a New York judge ordered Giants defensive end Michael Strahan to pay his now ex-wife, Jean, $15.3 million -- half his net worth -- more than $200,000 in child support, and 90 percent of his kids' school tuition as part of their divorce settlement.

Note to all athletes: Make sure you have a competent lawyer and read your prenup before you get married!

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hill/070116&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab6pos1

[bronco militia]

Having been through a divorce, I will never again complain about the division of marital assets after reading how Michael Strahan's stupidity has caused him to lose half his net worth. DAMN!

Undoubtedly, there was a collective tremor among pro athletes when days ago, a New York judge ordered Giants defensive end Michael Strahan to pay his now ex-wife, Jean, $15.3 million -- half his net worth -- more than $200,000 in child support, and 90 percent of his kids' school tuition as part of their divorce settlement.

Note to all athletes: Make sure you have a competent lawyer and read your prenup before you get married!

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=hill/070116&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab6pos1


that doesn't sound like much of a pre-nup.....50% is the law in most states.

[Tredici]

His stupidity in not being able to keep his marriage and his family intact?

[Traveler]

His stupidity in not being able to keep his marriage and his family intact?

Agree!

[bendog]

I've never seen the upside to divorce. Most of the guys I see end up with two results.

One, they remarry someone who has about the same number of kids as they do, which results in pretty much a wash in terms of child support, and a new wife not that much different from the one they got rid of, so why all the angst in the first place, because in a year or two the sex will be about the same as they have now. Plus, the new kids will probably have issues.

Two, and this is mostly for guys making muchacha dollars, they marry someone much younger, who then even if she has a kid, wants another one, and then she stays home. What's the pt? Hot sex with a young chick isn't happening when she's been changing diapers all day.

So I figure staying married is the least bad option open to me.

[clarkster]

there it is...whats the least bad option. im done if this one goes. ill get a ****ing gold fish if i feel the overwhelming urge to ask something whats wrong and never get an answer.

[Spider]

Cheaper to keep her .........

[Atlas]

Do you know why it costs so much to get a divorce?

Because it's worth it!!

[NaptownChief]

His stupidity in not being able to keep his marriage and his family intact?



Bold assumption in assuming it was his stupidity...Could be a million reasons why it went bad and all of them could be his fault or none of them.

[Stuck In Texas]

Did he agree to this settlement? It makes you wonder what the story is behind the problems in their marriage. It's tragic. I'm lucky. When I got divorced, I got primary custody of my son and I have since remarried and definitely improved my lot in life! Congrats to me!!!!!

[Los Broncos]

There is no advantage for a man to get married.

[Spider]

There is no advantage for a man to get married.

well there is that cooking aspect ............ Just sayin

[bendog]

There is no advantage for a man to get married.

I dunno. That last psychotic girlfriend was enough for me. After that, it was either sport ficking or having a real relationship with someone sane.

I can see that divorce might be the least bad option, but the guys and women I see who essentially just partner up serially for a few years and then repartner strike me as very sad. And not very good parents.

With Strahan, I don't see what's wrong with him losing half the nut (-: What happens when he's done, I don't know. These guys go from having the means to play 1K a hand poker to having zero income. I was reading fortune magazine yesterday, and Lenny Dykstra (of all people) is trying to start a money management program aimed at professional athletes to protect their income stream in retirement.

[Spider]

it is easy to see why Strahan's wife divorced him ........... think back a few years , Bret Farve lays down giving Strahan the Sack record .... the poor woman couldnt live with the shame of a freebe ...........

[Bronco_Beerslug]

His stupidity in not being able to keep his marriage and his family intact?
Stupidity? How so, did he blow his marriage all by himself?


I got lucky in mine. Didn't end up losing any of my pension or annuities from work. I offered her a trade in back child support owed by her ex since I raised her son from her first marriage that amounted to about 10% ($40,000) of what my retirement benefits were at the time and she took it. I was ecstatic that she did, she wanted money now, not security in the future.

No desire to get married since (almost 15 years) then but not against it either if the right girl appears. Having the freedom to do basically anything I want to, when I want to doesn't bother me at all.

Do you know why it costs so much to get a divorce?
Because it's worth it!!
Mine ended up costing over $16,000 in the early 90's and was definitely worth it!

[Traveler]

There is no advantage for a man to get married.

According to statistics, the biggest upside of marriage for men is that we live longer.:yayaya:

[Spider]

According to statistics, the biggest upside of marriage for men is that we live longer.:yayaya:

directly linked to cooking ;D

[orange 4 life]

His stupidity in not being able to keep his marriage and his family intact?

i'd agree tred except that when youre dealing with fame and fortune, who the heck knows what really happened?

did SHE not "keep the marriage and family intact" because she just married him for money in the 1st place?
its like the hollywood marriages.
you dont know if its for love or for the photo on the cover of a few magazines?
sadly, its probably the latter.

i wouldnt mind a little more fortune (though im not complaining), but i thank God that im not famous.

[Popps]

There is no advantage for a man to get married.

Yes there is. It's just not for everyone.

[Moon§hiner]

After 18 years of marriage I decided the wife wasn't going to change her spending ways. She was a true shopaholic. Took on all the credit card bills and I kept the property. Paid child support for 4 years and she signed off and gave me my daughter so she could move out of state.
Like Beerslug, it's been 11 years for me and I'm in no hurry to remarry. I like to cook so food isn't a problem. I date on occasion, but really prefer my quiet time. I think about dying alone once in a while, but a good football or basketball game reminds me that it's not the worst way to go.

[Garcia Bronco]

His stupidity was getting married in the first place. If I had that much loot I'd never get married....what's the point? I might have children and a family, but I wouldn't actually tie the knot.

That settlement seems way out of whack...no law or contract should entitle that woman to that much money. She didn't cure cancer.

[Garcia Bronco]

After 18 years of marriage I decided the wife wasn't going to change her spending ways. She was a true shopaholic. Took on all the credit card bills and I kept the property. Paid child support for 4 years and she signed off and gave me my daughter so she could move out of state.
Like Beerslug, it's been 11 years for me and I'm in no hurry to remarry. I like to cook so food isn't a problem. I date on occasion, but really prefer my quiet time. I think about dying alone once in a while, but a good football or basketball game reminds me that it's not the worst way to go.

I couldn't meet a good woman to save my life in Virginia. I have the same fears sometimes, but I decided the same as you

[Rock Chalk]

His stupidity in not being able to keep his marriage and his family intact?

Was it his fault? What are the details?

[Traveler]

If I had that much loot I'd never get married....what's the point? I

I've said that a million times! If I was famous or an athlete, I wouldn't get married until late in my career. They never know how long their careers will last. So why complicate things?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I've said that a million times! If I was famous or an athlete, I wouldn't get married until late in my career. They never know how long their careers will last. So why complicate things?Tom Brady has this down.

[DeusExManning]

There is absolutely no justification for anyone to get that much in a divorce settlement. The child support alone is too much. Why does always happen. It has changed the way women treat men in this country. Go to another country. The women treat you with greater respect. Today, women will marry just to divorce. These large settlements are destroying the very fabric of the family structure. Why can't we put a cap on the amount that is received in divorce settlements. I have a friend who was only married for 1 year that had to pay 100000. Why? What did she do to deserve it. Child support makes sense to me, it is important for both sides to take responsibility. But does this woman really need 200k a month!!!! After getting 15 million. Why?

[Tredici]

Bold assumption in assuming it was his stupidity...Could be a million reasons why it went bad and all of them could be his fault or none of them.

Or maybe? A simple sarcastic observation.

Of course it wouldn't be a bold assumption that I'm too stupid to realize there could be those "million reasons".

notsofast

[Tredici]

i'd agree tred except that when youre dealing with fame and fortune, who the heck knows what really happened?

did SHE not "keep the marriage and family intact" because she just married him for money in the 1st place?
its like the hollywood marriages.
you dont know if its for love or for the photo on the cover of a few magazines?
sadly, its probably the latter.

i wouldnt mind a little more fortune (though im not complaining), but i thank God that im not famous.


It's sarcasm boys. I leave the real reason marriages dissolve to your expertise. SInce, you know, guys are always the innocent bystanders.

[Tredici]

Was it his fault? What are the details?

Did you notice the question at the end of my sentence?

Did you answer it?

I didn't.

[Garcia Bronco]

I wouldn't pay her that much...and if I am put in jail I am going to earn it.

Not that I advocate this...but a friend once told me that when you first have children in a marriage...you need to make sure your wife understands that you'll put her in the ground before she'll take away your children. Worked for him.

[Tredici]

Personally I don't give a rat's ass about Michael Strahan, his marriage, or his money.

It's just all you boys do is gossip....

:gossip:

[Tredici]

I wouldn't pay her that much...and if I am put in jail I am going to earn it.

Not that I advocate this...but a friend once told me that when you first have children in a marriage...you need to make sure your wife understands that you'll put her in the ground before she'll take away your children. Worked for him.

Damn right. She better understand he's the boss of her. And he's the boss of the kids. And he's the boss of the world.

Better he be castrated and then no worries at all! Anybody that stupid really shouldn't reproduce anyway.

[Crushaholic]

Child support makes sense to me, it is important for both sides to take responsibility. But does this woman really need 200k a month!!!! After getting 15 million. Why?

That was my question. You would think a judge would say that child support is included in that 15 million. Strahan must have hired a lousy lawyer for him to be bitten in the butt like that...

[Los Broncos]

Yes there is. It's just not for everyone.

Your right, i just come from a family where my mom and dad were never married, ive had my own problems with relantionships and women, its been my biggest down fall.

[Los Broncos]

There is absolutely no justification for anyone to get that much in a divorce settlement. The child support alone is too much. Why does always happen. It has changed the way women treat men in this country. Go to another country. The women treat you with greater respect. Today, women will marry just to divorce. These large settlements are destroying the very fabric of the family structure. Why can't we put a cap on the amount that is received in divorce settlements. I have a friend who was only married for 1 year that had to pay 100000. Why? What did she do to deserve it. Child support makes sense to me, it is important for both sides to take responsibility. But does this woman really need 200k a month!!!! After getting 15 million. Why?

Wow.

[NaptownChief]

It's sarcasm boys. I leave the real reason marriages dissolve to your expertise. SInce, you know, guys are always the innocent bystanders.



Yeah those innocent women just accidently marry up financially 90% of the time...."I'm in this for the love..." ;D

[DomCasual]

My wife and I did our version of the "seven-year itch" several years ago. We filed for divorce, and started really beating each other up (figuratively). The process took a good nine months, and I went as far as to buy another house - there was no question in our minds that it was over. I can honestly say it was the most unhappy part of my life. You learn pretty quickly that most stuff in a marriage is fixable, and worth fixing.

I started looking at other women and thinking, "Wow, if I was ever to consider marrying her, this thing or that thing would be an absolute non-starter for me." Near-divorce gave us a whole new perspective of each other - we started seeing the really good things about each other, rather than focusing on the minor little irritants. It's been great since - about seven years.

I always tell people to cross every potential bridge in a marriage before deciding to end it. The grass is almost never as green as it seems on the other side of the fence. And there is something really satisfying about keeping the constantly-shifting parts of a marriage together.

[Garcia Bronco]

Damn right. She better understand he's the boss of her. And he's the boss of the kids. And he's the boss of the world.

Better he be castrated and then no worries at all! Anybody that stupid really shouldn't reproduce anyway.

It's not that...he's just passionate about his children and making sure he's in their lives. It's little to do with being the boss of the house. I got to be honest..I'd feel the same way. You grow completely attached to your children...love them more than anything in this world. Make all the sacrifaces..and then one person is going to up and take them away from your home because her heart is not in it anymore? That's wrong no matter which way you slice it. It's til death....that's what you agree to.

[NaptownChief]

The couple things that stand out in this settlement that make little sense. If they are splitting everything up 50/50 then why would education expenses not be split 50/50? Where did they get the 90/10 stuff?

And then the $200K child support. Assuming they are looking to split things 50/50 then that would imply she will be spending $400k a year on the kids before any education expense....Yeah right...

[Mountain Bronco]

As F'd up as mairrage can be, it is "Till Death". There are extraordinary circumstances such as infadelity (which is actually a breach of the marital contract) which nullify the "till death" part of the deal. Otherwise, I believe no matter how difficult it is, you need to put forth you best efforts to make things work. They worked once didn't they? So why can't they work again?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

The couple things that stand out in this settlement that make little sense. If they are splitting everything up 50/50 then why would education expenses not be split 50/50? Where did they get the 90/10 stuff?

And then the $200K child support. Assuming they are looking to split things 50/50 then that would imply she will be spending $400k a year on the kids before any education expense....Yeah right...Child support isn't calculated on that basis. It's calculated on the ability of the money winner (or party without custody) to pay and the fact that the party receiving those monies would be paying the vast majority of the child's expenses.

[Los Broncos]

My wife and I did our version of the "seven-year itch" several years ago. We filed for divorce, and started really beating each other up (figuratively). The process took a good nine months, and I went as far as to buy another house - there was no question in our minds that it was over. I can honestly say it was the most unhappy part of my life. You learn pretty quickly that most stuff in a marriage is fixable, and worth fixing.

I started looking at other women and thinking, "Wow, if I was ever to consider marrying her, this thing or that thing would be an absolute non-starter for me." Near-divorce gave us a whole new perspective of each other - we started seeing the really good things about each other, rather than focusing on the minor little irritants. It's been great since - about seven years.

I always tell people to cross every potential bridge in a marriage before deciding to end it. The grass is almost never as green as it seems on the other side of the fence. And there is something really satisfying about keeping the constantly-shifting parts of a marriage together.

That was refreshing, thanks.

[Traveler]

The couple things that stand out in this settlement that make little sense. If they are splitting everything up 50/50 then why would education expenses not be split 50/50? Where did they get the 90/10 stuff?

And then the $200K child support. Assuming they are looking to split things 50/50 then that would imply she will be spending $400k a year on the kids before any education expense....Yeah right...

Young one aren't you?:D J/K

Too many unknown details. That said, whenever a divorce gets into the courts, the man will almost always come out on the short end because it's setup to provide for the needs of the woman and children first.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Young one aren't you?:D J/K

Too many unknown details. That said, whenever a divorce gets into the courts, the man will almost always come out on the short end because it's setup to provide for the needs of the woman and children first.Not quite true. Most courts realize the kids come first no matter who has custody. My ex owes me over 10 years of child support for 3 kids.

[NaptownChief]

Child support isn't calculated on that basis. It's calculated on the ability of the money winner (or party without custody) to pay and the fact that the party receiving those monies would be paying the vast majority of the child's expenses.


I know....but when applying those rules in most cases the poor spouse usually isn't settling up with $15 million. Each state is different but I believe in most the judge has freedom to use their judgment for extraordinary circumstances of which getting $15 million in after tax assets would certainly qualify as extraordinary circumstances.

[Jason in LA]

There is no advantage for a man to get married.

Leykis 101.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I know....but when applying those rules in most cases the poor spouse usually isn't settling up with $15 million. Each state is different but I believe in most the judge has freedom to use their judgment for extraordinary circumstances of which getting $15 million in after tax assets would certainly qualify as extraordinary circumstances.I'm thinking I'd have a new attorney and a head examination for hiring him in the first place after that settlement.

[CBF1]

There is no advantage for a man to get married.

I could rep you a thousand times for this. Truth has been printed.

[NaptownChief]

I'm thinking I'd have a new attorney and a head examination for hiring him in the first place after that settlement.



That is for certain...At a minimum he should punch the attorney in the gut and recover any and all of his fees he paid as anybody can get a settlement that poor without legal counsel.

[Jason in LA]

I haven't seen the details of the pre-nup, but he is the dumbest guy on earth. His lawyer is a complete tool as well. It's almost like the pre-nup was made for her.

He was worth $23 million. The pre-nup gave her $8.7 million in a buy out type of deal. His lawyers were trying to argue that she should only get that amount, which to me sounds very fair. After she got the $8.7 mill, she got half of the remaining assets, which was about 6.6 million. So she got more than half of his assets. She's richer than he is. And she gets child support, even though she has more money then he has. She's worth nearly twice as much as he is. She takes about $15 million, and he gets to keep $8 million. How is that right?

I'm all for being fair, and she had every right to get either the $8.7 million buy out, or half, which is state law. But how does she get both? And then child support? That's just dirty. He pretty much played his career for her. Because he's toward the end of his career, he can never come close to making that money back, and I wouldn't be shocked if at some point he won't be able to afford the child support payments, while she's sitting on all of his money.

If he's paying for 90% of the children's tuition, then what the hell is she paying for? She's got more money then he has. This case is flat out wrong.

[CBF1]

Leykis 101.

Finally a Leykis reference REP

[CBF1]

Sometimes it is worth giving up on a relationship/marriage. People do change and in some cases just grow totally apart from each other... In this case divorce is a reality. Having gone (going thru) now is more of an inconvience that heartbreak.

By reading my comments you would think I was against getting remarried. But if the right lady comes into my life, I would do it all over again in a heartbeat.

Tred.... Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed today? :)

[Mountain Bronco]

There is a uniform dissoulution of marriage statute, which most states have adopted with some minor changes in most states. Thus, divorce is fairly uniform throught the US. That being said, the standard for spliting assets is an equitable division of marital assets. Remember equitable is not equal, so courts have the freedome to do what they think is fair in regards to each party, thus, you have such differing results because each judge differs.

What puzzels me is, from what I have heard, the prenup actually dictated that she recieved at least 50%. Why have a prenup if you are not gaining anything from it. If I was Strahan, I would at least explore the option of suing the attorney who drafted the prenup for malpractice.

As for the child support, there are actually complex formulas uses to calculate child support. I don't know what numbers and variables are used in those formulas. I had it fully explained to me at one point in time, and I remember it didn't make much sense as it didn't account for the divorce settelment terms very well.

[Jason in LA]

I heard that the Wayans Brothers, Shawn and Marlin, have long time girlfriends who they have children with. But they will not marry them because of what happened to their older brother Keenen Ivory Wayans. I don't know the exact details of the case, and I think the case has been going on for a few years, but Keenen looks like he's going to lose a lot of money.

It's a lot cheaper to have a live in girlfriend who is pretty much your spouce. Even if you have kids. If there is a break up all you are on the hook for is child support...if she gets the kids. There is palimony, but it seems it's better to deal with that then alimony.

[Jason in LA]

By reading my comments you would think I was against getting remarried. But if the right lady comes into my life, I would do it all over again in a heartbeat.



I'm in the same boat. Some of my comments sound like I hate marriage, or hate women, which isn't the case. I love me some women. I'm just against the ones who try to screw guys over. I'm more aware of the ones who have bad intensions. At some point the right woman will come along and I'll be happy. I'd say I'm being smart about it now. I'm being a lot more selective. Which is what everybody should be doing.

[NaptownChief]

It is crap settlements like this that makes me have zero issue with someone like Nick Lachey going after Simpson's coin. No reason why they street can't run two ways.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I heard that the Wayans Brothers, Shawn and Marlin, have long time girlfriends who they have children with. But they will not marry them because of what happened to their older brother Keenen Ivory Wayans. I don't know the exact details of the case, and I think the case has been going on for a few years, but Keenen looks like he's going to lose a lot of money.

It's a lot cheaper to have a live in girlfriend who is pretty much your spouce. Even if you have kids. If there is a break up all you are on the hook for is child support...if she gets the kids. There is palimony, but it seems it's better to deal with that then alimony.This isn't true in most states. Common law marriage is exactly the same thing when it comes to divorce time.

[Jason in LA]

Isn't common law marriage 7 years? I'd say that if the live in girlfriend thing isn't going to work, it will break up before 7 years.

I'd also say that a lot of people don't press the issue of common law marriage...well, unless a boat load of money is on the line.

I lived with my son's mother for a number of years, and we never got married. When we split there was never an issue with common law marriage. Neither of us ever brought it up. The only issue was who was going to keep our son, which wasn't much of an issue. He lives with me.

I know a number of people who were in that situation, and when they walked away the common law marriage thing never came up. But I'm sure if somebody was worth a boat load of money, it would come up.

So I guess the Wayans brothers need to do a gut check at the seven year mark. If there are problems, get out and they won't have to worry about their money as much.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Isn't common law marriage 7 years? A matter of months in most states but I see CA isn't one of those states..

[Traveler]

There is a uniform dissoulution of marriage statute, which most states have adopted with some minor changes in most states. Thus, divorce is fairly uniform throught the US. That being said, the standard for spliting assets is an equitable division of marital assets. Remember equitable is not equal, so courts have the freedome to do what they think is fair in regards to each party, thus, you have such differing results because each judge differs.

What puzzels me is, from what I have heard, the prenup actually dictated that she recieved at least 50%. Why have a prenup if you are not gaining anything from it. If I was Strahan, I would at least explore the option of suing the attorney who drafted the prenup for malpractice.

As for the child support, there are actually complex formulas uses to calculate child support. I don't know what numbers and variables are used in those formulas. I had it fully explained to me at one point in time, and I remember it didn't make much sense as it didn't account for the divorce settelment terms very well.

Two separate issues (child support & divorce settlement). Hence, two different court systems, even though all information might be contained as part of the Final Divorce Decree. And formulas differ in most States.

My suggestion for making support fair to both parents is to have a separate account setup. Income from both "working" parents is deposited into this account based on the States percentage for the custodial and non-custodial parent.

Doing so would let both parents have a say in how/when the money is used for the particular needs of the child(ren).

[Bronco_Beerslug]

My suggestion for making support fair to both parents is to have a separate account setup. Income from both "working" parents is deposited into this account based on the States percentage for the custodial and non-custodial parent.
.Doing so would let both parents have a say in how/when the money is used for the particular needs of the child(ren)This sounds good but if the parents can't get along which happens in a lot of the cases that doesn't work.

[Jason in LA]

That makes total sense. Too bad women's rights groups wouldn't go for something like that.

[Los Broncos]

Leykis 101.


Yep!

[Traveler]

This sounds good but if the parents can't get along which happens in a lot of the cases that doesn't work.

Which is why it should be a requirement in all States as part of child support.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Which is why it should be a requirement in all States as part of child support.
How could it be if they won't agree on what to do with the money? That's why there is custody.

[Jason in LA]

I heard about a study that said that in states where the judges award joint costody more often, the divorce rate is much lower. In theory, there is no child support, or isn't much. So there isn't much, if any, of a finaical gain by the sponse who earns less money, there aren't as many divorces.

[Traveler]

How could it be if they won't agree on what to do with the money? That's why there is custody.

I hear what you are saying. In a perfect world, the States would have a list of things the monthly support can be used on. That would preclude some of what you mention above.

But if the parents truely do have the child(s) best interest at heart, they shouldn't be arguing over things like clothes, food, etc. And any major expenses like private schooling, college tuition, medical bills etc., would/should be spelled out in the decree.

If that doesn't work,then they shouldn't be able to touch the money until they agree on it's use. Just my suggestion.

And since emotions are involved, even that probably won't help.

[Tredici]

It's not that...he's just passionate about his children and making sure he's in their lives. It's little to do with being the boss of the house. I got to be honest..I'd feel the same way. You grow completely attached to your children...love them more than anything in this world. Make all the sacrifaces..and then one person is going to up and take them away from your home because her heart is not in it anymore? That's wrong no matter which way you slice it. It's til death....that's what you agree to.

Hey. I'm equal opportunity stupid. Any woman who would marry a man that would say that type of ignorant thing to her should be scheduled for an immediate sterilization process.

Your whole little scenario above is complete conjecture. Anybody who enters a relationship to have children with the intents stated should not have a relationship and should certainly not have children.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I hear what you are saying. In a perfect world, the States would have a list of things the monthly support can be used on. That would preclude some of what you mention above.

But if the parents truely do have the child(s) best interest at heart, they shouldn't be arguing over things like clothes, food, etc. And any major expenses like private schooling, college tuition, medical bills etc., would/should be spelled out in the decree.

If that doesn't work,then they shouldn't be able to touch the money until they agree on it's use. Just my suggestion.

And since emotions are involved, even that probably won't help.Yeah, the whole thing works against the kids if the parents can't get along with each other and even if they can get along there is almost always disagreements on what and where the money should do and go for.

There's been hundreds of studies on joint custody saying it's better and saying it's worse.

[Atlas]

=


Mine ended up costing over $16,000 in the early 90's and was definitely worth it!

$16K is a small price to pay for happiness

[Tredici]

Yeah those innocent women just accidently marry up financially 90% of the time...."I'm in this for the love..." ;D

Wow. 90% huh? Maybe the question should be why women have so little access to their own means of financial security, then. If 90% of the time the male has more money going into the marriage.

It's all getting fairly moot anyway. Statistics show most women are gaining financial stability and not marrying until much later in life. -- If at all.

Actually that's going to solve all you guys problems.

[bendog]

JT/sole custody, yeah there's disagreement in studies, but with Jt custody there can still be a parent with primary custodial custody. JT custody does work to help keep both parents in the kids' lives.

However, there's no disagreement that the general rule is post-divorce, the women and the kids see a decline in household income, and the dad see's an initial decline in his income post support, but the dad's generally make that up in raises/career moves, while the women and kids don't see a share of that.

I'm a bit curious about Jason's comment on womens rights and child support. I just didn't track what he was saying. Before the womens rights movement in the 70s, fewer women worked, but then again what may have created the womens rights movment in the first place was women HAVING to go to work because real wages stopped increasing back in the mid-70s.

[Jason in LA]

Maybe labling them "women's rights groups" was the wrong lable. Lets say that they are groups who work on women's behalf. Groups that make sure that women get their fair share. I have no problem with women getting their fair share, but many of these groups end up fighting for more then their fair share, and they get it. They put pressure on politicians to make laws in the woman's favor. The system screws over men in a lot of cases.

[NaptownChief]

Wow. 90% huh?



I honestly don't know how credible the source and the study behind it but I did read that stat about a year or two back.

But if true, it certainly shows what is important to most women going into marriages and shouldn't surprise anybody as to what is most important to them when coming out. So any man taking his beating on the backside of a marriage has nobody to blame but himself.

[Sassy]

well there is that cooking aspect ............ Just sayin

I'll cook....if he cleans! ;) Or we hire someone!

[Sassy]

Hey...do you guys realize that 51% of women are single...There has to be a good reason for that! LOL!

[NaptownChief]

Hey...do you guys realize that 51% of women are single...There has to be a good reason for that! LOL!


They haven't found a fool with more money yet? :ouwknow:

[Hotrod]

I came very close to divorce at one point about 2 years into our marrage. She informed me there would be no sex afterwards so I stayed ;)

Actually a "near" divorce can be the best thing that ever happened to a marriage. The gut check certainly woke us both up. 7+ years later all is right in the world.

[Sassy]

They haven't found a fool with more money yet? :ouwknow:

Nah...we just make our own money! :thumbsup:

[Sassy]

I came very close to divorce at one point about 2 years into our marrage. She informed me there would be no sex afterwards so I stayed ;)

Actually a "near" divorce can be the best thing that ever happened to a marriage. The gut check certainly woke us both up. 7+ years later all is right in the world.

Which is amazing...considering your wifey is a Chefs fan! LOL!

[Hotrod]

Which is amazing...considering your wifey is a Chefs fan! LOL!

Not only a chefs fan but she cant cook very well either and does not make very much $..........must be the sex ;D

[Sassy]

Not only a chefs fan but she cant cook very well either and does not make very much $..........must be the sex ;D

Well, there ya go! :rofl:

[bendog]

My wife tells me most men clean the house, and I do the bathrooms and the floors every weekend, plus spring and christmas cleaning ..... I wonder if she's lying about this.

[Jason in LA]

I honestly don't know how credible the source and the study behind it but I did read that stat about a year or two back.

But if true, it certainly shows what is important to most women going into marriages and shouldn't surprise anybody as to what is most important to them when coming out. So any man taking his beating on the backside of a marriage has nobody to blame but himself.

Tom Leykis, who has a radio show in the LA area, as well as other areas in the country, says that we should not date American women.

I'm not going to go as far as him. I do date American women. But I do think there is some truth to what he says.

My pops has been married twice. His first wife was from down south. It lasted eight years, and it wasn't pretty, according to him. She nagged all the time, always had an attitude, was always mad. Just made life hell. He then marries my mother, who was born and raised in Jamaica. It's been a perfect marriage for 36 years. They never have major problems. And they both work at their roles. His first wife has been married like 4-5 times.

I look at my situation and my brother's situation. We both got with women who seem to be like my father's first wife. Just hell. When I finally left my son's mother my father started to tell me some of the stuff that he went through with his first wife. Same exact stuff. My first thought was "Buster, why didn't you tell me this she it years ago!" Of course I didn't say that to him. Now my brother is two years married, has a 9 month old, and the marriage has gone to hell. He tells me stuff, and it's the same exact crap that I went through. It's like we were with the same person. Ever since she had the baby she's been showing her ass. Just like my son's mother. When she had our son and saw that I wasn't going anywhere, she started acting a fool. My brother last week had to sleep at his friends house because his wife is crazy. He went back home, to the house that he's paid 100% for, where he lived for about 7 years before they got married, and she said that if he walked through his door she'd call the cops. She hasn't put a dime into that place because she's been in college for 10 damn years. Got a BS, a masters, and working on a PHD, and we don't think that she's even going to find a job. I paid the bulk of the bills at my place and my son's mother acted like she owned it.

Okay, this rant has gone on long enough. I'm not giving up on American women, but if a hot Jamacian, or South American comes my way, I'm snatching her up.

[Hotrod]

My wife tells me most men clean the house, and I do the bathrooms and the floors every weekend, plus spring and christmas cleaning ..... I wonder if she's lying about this.

Na Im sure she is correct since my wife tells me most men also do dishs and windows. Ha!

[bendog]

Na Im sure she is correct since my wife tells me most men also do dishs and windows. Ha!

When we were first married, before the kid "happened," I would offer to help clean up after dinner, so she could sit and read or watch tv sooner, but when I would she's putz around or go different stuff and still not sit down any earlier, so I stopped helping.

Now, 15-20 years into this thing (hey, like I'm doing good to remember the day of the year we got married, let alone the exact year), I'm happy if I just don't have to unload the dishwasher AND cook dinner both on the same night! No wonder I stopped giving her sex! If she wants sex, she can clean the damn kitchen!

[smalltowngrll]

I love how these rare publicized cases of a rich man or sports figure being taken to the cleaners is the "standard" in how things are always done.

Lets see the percentage of men out there that have a child that they have never paid a dime in support...or that they don't really contribute to that child's well-being? Or...wait, you wouldn't own up to that one, now would ya? What about the promises to children that are made every day by absent fathers that are fallen through on because they'd rather party with the boys? These are, unfortunately, the more common occurances.

Needless to say, it's both sides that have, unfortunately, been taken to the cleaners. And, sad to say, the children are the ones that pay the highest prices!

[Hotrod]

When we were first married, before the kid "happened," I would offer to help clean up after dinner, so she could sit and read or watch tv sooner, but when I would she's putz around or go different stuff and still not sit down any earlier, so I stopped helping.

Now, 15-20 years into this thing (hey, like I'm doing good to remember the day of the year we got married, let alone the exact year), I'm happy if I just don't have to unload the dishwasher AND cook dinner both on the same night! No wonder I stopped giving her sex! If she wants sex, she can clean the damn kitchen!

LOL

[Old Dude]

My wife tells me most men clean the house, and I do the bathrooms and the floors every weekend, plus spring and christmas cleaning ..... I wonder if she's lying about this.

I make all the TV dinners. Most of them anyway. And I often do the laundry until so many things are put away in the wrong place that she flips out and takes over the job. Same principle with the dishes, though I'm running out of places to stash things like plates and spoons where no one can find them.

She does all the bathrooms and floors, bless her heart so I try my best not to miss the stool. But sometimes, you know, it can't be helped, when it comes out forked, and you guys know exactly what I mean.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I make all the TV dinners. Most of them anyway. And I often do the laundry until so many things are put away in the wrong place that she flips out and takes over the job. Same principle with the dishes, though I'm running out of places to stash things like plates and spoons where no one can find them.

She does all the bathrooms and floors, bless her heart so I try my best not to miss the stool. But sometimes, you know, it can't be helped, when it comes out forked, and you guys know exactly what I mean.Can you explain this in more detail so no one gets the wrong idea about the word "forked"?

[Old Dude]

Oh come on. All you guys know what I'm talking about. You're getting ready to take a whiz and there it goes, and to your surprise the stream comes out in two opposite directions at once.

You can adjust to the left but then you send a stream off to the right. Or vice versa.

About the only thing you can do is to try to drop quickly to your knees, to narrow the area effect of the field of fire. But it's a dangerous manuever for those of us who are already hung like horses.

[Hotrod]

Oh come on. All you guys know what I'm talking about. You're getting ready to take a whiz and there it goes, and to your surprise the stream comes out in two opposite directions at once.

You can adjust to the left but then you send a stream off to the right. Or vice versa.

About the only thing you can do is to try to drop quickly to your knees, to narrow the area effect of the field of fire. But it's a dangerous manuever for those of us who are already hung like horses.

LOL Holy crap....

[maven]

There is no advantage for a man to get married.

:giggle:

:thumbs:

[Crushaholic]

But it's a dangerous manuever for those of us who are already hung like horses.

I know what you mean...ROFL! :alky:

[DomCasual]

Oh come on. All you guys know what I'm talking about. You're getting ready to take a whiz and there it goes, and to your surprise the stream comes out in two opposite directions at once.

You can adjust to the left but then you send a stream off to the right. Or vice versa.

About the only thing you can do is to try to drop quickly to your knees, to narrow the area effect of the field of fire. But it's a dangerous manuever for those of us who are already hung like horses.

As I have said before, you need therapy. Bad.

[bendog]

Oh come on. All you guys know what I'm talking about. You're getting ready to take a whiz and there it goes, and to your surprise the stream comes out in two opposite directions at once.

You can adjust to the left but then you send a stream off to the right. Or vice versa.

About the only thing you can do is to try to drop quickly to your knees, to narrow the area effect of the field of fire. But it's a dangerous manuever for those of us who are already hung like horses.

You could try to lean wayyyyyy over the bowl to increase the target size, but that's a dangerous tactic especially when drinking, because you need one had to brace on the wall, and then you've only got one hand on John Henry. Being well hung, you of course would have an advantage over me, because mine is so small (and shrinking along with my height), I really need one hand on John Henry and the other hand pushing my fly out of the way, which has caused me to have to decide whether I want to take my hand off the wall (and resulting smash my face on/in the toilet) or piss all over my pants.

[Old Dude]

Or you know, if you don't want to risk a "high center" you can kind of lean over, keeping your legs straight and twist the thing around, hoping for more focus, but I always hit my head on the medicine chest or towel rack when I do that, which is why you should never hang those things over the toilet.

[Old Dude]

Geez, Bendog. Great minds thinking alike simultaneously.

[bendog]

There is no "thinking" involved in my case. I've lived this, sad to say.

[Hogan11]

After reading this thread, I think we have some posters here who are actually writers for the Lifetime, WE and Oxygen networks.....

C'Mon, own up....nah never mind....we can guess by the posts Ha!

[XXXII&III]

I think a lot of you guys aren't getting sex because of how you spray the bathroom.

I firmly believe you'd solve all your hanging problems and all your wive's pissed off problems if you'd just STFD!

(... sit the fvck down)

[Old Dude]

I think a lot of you guys aren't getting sex because of how you spray the bathroom.

I firmly believe you'd solve all your hanging problems and all your wive's pissed off problems if you'd just STFD!

(... sit the f*** down)

That would be way too gay.

[bendog]

I think a lot of you guys aren't getting sex because of how you spray the bathroom.

I firmly believe you'd solve all your hanging problems and all your wive's pissed off problems if you'd just STFD!

(... sit the f*** down)


When you're John Henry's as small as mine, that isn't such a great tactic either, cause sometimes he may not be pointing straight down, and instead pointing more sideways or straight out, and then the pee just comes streaming out between the seat and the bowl.

[Old Dude]

That happens to the best of us Bendog.

[XXXII&III]

"that would be way too gay"


your wife wouldn't think so, which is going to make her so happy she's going to want to have sex with you 50 times a day, and if you're having sex with a woman that often you aren't going to think so either.

actually you'd be so tired from having all that sex that it would be a relief to be able to sit down and rest.

[Hotrod]

After reading this thread, I think we have some posters here who are actually writers for the Lifetime, WE and Oxygen networks.....

C'Mon, own up....nah never mind....we can guess by the posts Ha!

Dude there is now a channel that shows 24 hours of soap repeats. I came home from work one night and my wife & daughter were watching it. Forget that crap Im the man of the house. I put my foot down..........marched straight to the bedroom.............and watched ESPN from there ;D

[Old Dude]

your wife wouldn't think so, which is going to make her so happy she's going to want to have sex with you 50 times a day, and if you're having sex with a woman that often you aren't going to think so either.

actually you'd be so tired from having all that sex that it would be a relief to be able to sit down and rest.

Doesn't make any difference. Sitting down to pee would destroy my self-image and I'd be unable to perform. Although, I could cheat and wait until there's a need to poop at the same time, in which case sitting down is permissible. But that has its own drawbacks, which I think should be obvious.

[XXXII&III]

Bendog you can aim that thing even when you're sitting down. Seriously. It can be done. :rofl:

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

When I build my dream house I'm going to put in one of those urinals that go all the way to the floor so I don't have to worry about those problems anymore

[Hogan11]

Dude there is now a channel that shows 24 hours of soap repeats. I came home from work one night and my wife & daughter were watching it. Forget that crap Im the man of the house. I put my foot down..........marched straight to the bedroom.............and watched ESPN from there ;D

True story...I was at work doing some OT all night long...nothing was happening @ 3 AM so I turned on the TV. I couldn't find one thing to watch except Unsolved Mysteries on the Lifetime Channel. I thought, well...I know this show and it wasn't too bad plus it's on for the next three hours, so why not?

As I watched it, it dawned on me that one segemnt after another was about how this guy cheated on his wife and disappeared with the cash to marry some other woman or how some guy was cheating old ladies out of their pension checks or how some guy killed his wife & kids to be with another woman and so on and so on and so on....the shows had been altered!
Three full hours of hardcore Man hating....not one segment was outside the Men are cheating, lying, raping murders theme. Not One! Talk about your agendas...:nono:

[Hotrod]

When I build my dream house I'm going to put in one of those urinals that go all the way to the floor so I don't have to worry about those problems anymore

I've always thought a trough would be the way to go.

http://www.icbe.org/blog/wp-content/images/franks_trough.jpg

[Old Dude]

I'd put in two, just to be safe. That way, in case of a split decision, you could have all the bases covered.

[XXXII&III]

Doesn't make any difference. Sitting down to pee would destroy my self-image and I'd be unable to perform. Although, I could cheat and wait until there's a need to poop at the same time, in which case sitting down is permissible. But that has its own drawbacks, which I think should be obvious.

ok then. What if you don't tell anybody you're sitting down? Keep it your little secret, like that fork thing you should have kept to yourself ;D

The result is that your wife thinks only that you have put some thought - or practice - into aiming and that you've done it just to please her. Deliberate stopping of the spraying is one of the most powerful aphrodesiacs known to man.

Hey I'm just trying to get you laid!

[Old Dude]

...
Three full hours of hardcore Man hating....not one segment was outside the Men are cheating, lying, raping murders theme. Not One! Talk about your agendas...:nono:

Well, who wants to watch a three hour show about nice guys who sit down to urinate.

[Hotrod]

True story...I was at work doing some OT all night long...nothing was happening @ 3 AM so I turned on the TV. I couldn't find one thing to watch except Unsolved Mysteries on the Lifetime Channel. I thought, well...I know this show and it wasn't too bad plus it's on for the next three hours, so why not?

As I watched it, it dawned on me that one segemnt after another was about how this guy cheated on his wife and disappeared with the cash to marry some other woman or how some guy was cheating old ladies out of their pension checks or how some guy killed his wife & kids to be with another woman and so on and so on and so on....the shows had been altered!
Three full hours of hardcore Man hating....not one segment was outside the Men are cheating, lying, raping murders theme. Not One! Talk about your agendas...:nono:


LOL thats just wrong.

[Old Dude]

ok then. What if you don't tell anybody you're sitting down? Keep it your little secret, like that fork thing you should have kept to yourself ;D
...


? What secret? Every guy here knows exactly what I'm talking about.

[bendog]

Bendog you can aim that thing even when you're sitting down. Seriously. It can be done. :rofl:

You have no idea how much fat I have hanging on my lower abdomen. My arms are short too.

[XXXII&III]

there may be some women reading here who've never heard of it. although they may have seen and had to clean up the consequences.

it sure conjures up a graphic image. i might have nightmares, thank you very much.

[Old Dude]

...
Hey I'm just trying to get you laid!

Bendog and I have much more serious issues than getting laid.

[XXXII&III]

bendog i will start taping the "male" infomercials that air at 3 AM. there's probably some implement someone is selling that could help you.

[XXXII&III]

Dude! there is no more serious issue to a guy than getting laid!

[Old Dude]

Maybe when you're a teenager. But when you get older, you start thinking about more important things, like mathmatical abstractions, government conspiracies and guns.

[bendog]

And hiding assets.

http://www.amazon.com/Screw-Bitch-Divorce-Tactics-Men/dp/1893626318/sr=1-1/qid=1169075792/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-4564581-2397600?ie=UTF8&s=books

[Jason in LA]

I'd say that a man sitting while taking a leak has to be a man card violation. It's just not natural, even if you kept it to yourself. Stand up, and if you miss, just wipe it up. What's the problem?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I've always thought a trough would be the way to go.

http://www.icbe.org/blog/wp-content/images/franks_trough.jpg

That would take care of the horizontal issues, but not the vertical ones. Maybe a trough that is six feet wide and from shoulder to floor???

[XXXII&III]

Maybe when you're a teenager. But when you get older, you start thinking about more important things, like mathmatical abstractions, government conspiracies and guns.


I did not know that.

Again, though, sitting is the proper answer. You can contemplate all those issues while sitting, peeing. Multi-tasking! And continuing to lay, so to speak, the groundwork for more sex from a grateful spouse.

Jason - it is easier, more efficient, and less time consuming to sit down than to stand up and then clean up.

[Hotrod]

I did not know that.

Again, though, sitting is the proper answer. You can contemplate all those issues while sitting, peeing. Multi-tasking! And continuing to lay, so to speak, the groundwork for more sex from a grateful spouse.

Jason - it is easier, more efficient, and less time consuming to sit down than to stand up and then clean up.

You dont seem to understand us guys very well Ha!

[smalltowngrll]

Men are almost completely incapeable of multi tasking! It's just not wired into their brains.

I really struggle to understand that concept, though! ;D

[PLOWHORSE]

Men are almost completely incapeable of multi tasking! It's just not wired into their brains.

I really struggle to understand that concept, though! ;D

I can drink beer and watch the game at the same time!!Booya!

[XXXII&III]

You guys, I am only trying to help you. It's too damned cold to go outside and find some good deed to do so I'm trying my best to make a positive contribution from the warmth of the keyboard in my office.

I am dead serious. You pee sitting down, you have more sex.

I'm not a good muti-tasker and if I can pee and think simultaneously that is exactly what I am going to call it. heh

[bendog]

Thinking of cold, I recall those mornings in Wyo when I'd get up to pee and the toilet water was frozen. You could sit and pee, and take the richochet in the ass, or stand like a man and face it head on.

[XXXII&III]

I didn't know outhouses froze over!

[Jason in LA]

Men are almost completely incapeable of multi tasking! It's just not wired into their brains.

I really struggle to understand that concept, though! ;D

Yeah...but...but...women struggle with the concept of direction. Ask a woman which way is north and she'll point up. ;D

On the real though, my ex never knew directions. I asked a few of my friends if their girlfriends knew, and they all said no. I guess men and women are just good at different things.

[Jason in LA]

The funny thing about this thread is that it has blown past the marriage thread. Kind of shows what people really want to talk about.

[bendog]

I didn't know outhouses froze over!

my mobil home. damn it that thing got cold when it'd go below -30farenheit.

[Hotrod]

my mobil home. damn it that thing got cold when it'd go below -30farenheit.

LOL my father rented an old moble home when he was going to college. He told me stories of having to use a hairdryer to try and dethaw the front door to get out.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

my mobil home. damn it that thing got cold when it'd go below -30farenheit.

So is that mobile home more comfortable in Mississippi? ;D

[smalltowngrll]

Yeah...but...but...women struggle with the concept of direction. Ask a woman which way is north and she'll point up. ;D

On the real though, my ex never knew directions. I asked a few of my friends if their girlfriends knew, and they all said no. I guess men and women are just good at different things.


Yeah, we are....probably a good thing! Otherwise things wouldn't get done and we wouldn't get anywhere! ^5

[usedupbraids]

heres your answer on divorce JUST DONT GET MARRIED IN THE 1ST PLACE

[DrFate]

I couldn't meet a good woman to save my life in Virginia.

Maybe that's MY problem, Garcia! :)

I didn't realize your trip to CO was a permanent move. Good luck!

[Moon§hiner]

Men are almost completely incapeable of multi tasking! It's just not wired into their brains.

I really struggle to understand that concept, though! ;D

I've been accused of that....A lady friend gave me a book called "Why Men Don't Listen and Women Can't Read Maps"...have to admit, it has equal slams on both sexes and is an interesting read....I'll tell her I haven't had time to read it just to prove the point she was trying to get across to me.

[Sassy]

I've been accused of that....A lady friend gave me a book called "Why Men Don't Listen and Women Can't Read Maps"...have to admit, it has equal slams on both sexes and is an interesting read....I'll tell her I haven't had time to read it just to prove the point she was trying to get across to me.

I'll bet you read it cover to cover in one sitting? ;DROFL!

[bendog]

I'm offended. I can too multitask. I drink and watch porn simultaneously.

[Old Dude]

I can do lots of multi-tasking, so long as none of it involves emotional issues.

Or I can multi-task emotionally, such as when I want to choke a loved one to death and laugh hysterically at the same time. With tears in my eyes, even. So that's like four emotions at once! But in that kind of situation, my analytical abilities suffer. They are limited to thoughts such as "better not do that or I might go to jail."

[Old Dude]

And this is why, incidentally, you see so many encroachment penalties called in critical situations. Emotionally, it's tough to count to three.

Women wouldn't have the same problem, but they'd be offsides on every play.

[bendog]

I can crack a beer open with one hand while holding a cigar in the other. But I did once drop a channel changer into a bucket of ice water, I was soaking my foot in, as Griese threw a pick.

[XXXII&III]

I can crack a beer open with one hand while holding a cigar in the other. But I did once drop a channel changer into a bucket of ice water, I was soaking my foot in, as Griese threw a pick.

Well if you dropped it on purpose, that counts as multi-tasking.

I am not big on gender stereotyping, by the way. Females are supposed to be good at multitasking and I'm not. There are lots of areas in which I don't conform to how some expect I should behave as a female. (I do have all the correct parts, though.)

[Moon§hiner]

I'll bet you read it cover to cover in one sitting? ;DROFL!
Yep, read the front cover and then scanned the back cover...a good read. :)

[Hotrod]

Just an interesting tidbit.

Divorce thread 6 pages
Marrage thread 5 pages
Firearms thread 7 pages
Plummer sucks 4,709 total pages

[Traveler]

Just an interesting tidbit.

Divorce thread 6 pages
Marrage thread 5 pages
Firearms thread 7 pages
Plummer sucks 4,709 total pages

Truth hurts sometimes.;)

[Old Dude]

Here's an amusing website:

http://www.ihatemen.com/relationship_tools_d.cfm?status=2&id=54&previous_page=new&counter=1&maximum_rows=40

Relationship expert?

I'd flunk about ten different categories of suspicious behavior, and I'm not even doing anything.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Here's an amusing website:

http://www.ihatemen.com/relationship_tools_d.cfm?status=2&id=54&previous_page=new&counter=1&maximum_rows=40

Relationship expert?

I'd flunk about ten different categories of suspicious behavior, and I'm not even doing anything.

Found on another site, one of top ten reasons why divorces and marriages happen, beer googles.


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[bendog]

Actually, I can multitask by cracking a beer with one hand, holding a cigar in the other, watching football and thinking about porn - all simultaneoulsy, and I can even put the cigar in my mouth and change the channel.

[smalltowngrll]

Here's an amusing website:

http://www.ihatemen.com/relationship_tools_d.cfm?status=2&id=54&previous_page=new&counter=1&maximum_rows=40

Relationship expert?

I'd flunk about ten different categories of suspicious behavior, and I'm not even doing anything.

Wow...Not sure that I would use that site for advice. I do wonder if too many people look too much to outsiders for advice rather than going to the source?!

[Steve Sewell]

I've never seen the upside to divorce. Most of the guys I see end up with two results.

One, they remarry someone who has about the same number of kids as they do, which results in pretty much a wash in terms of child support, and a new wife not that much different from the one they got rid of, so why all the angst in the first place, because in a year or two the sex will be about the same as they have now. Plus, the new kids will probably have issues.

Two, and this is mostly for guys making muchacha dollars, they marry someone much younger, who then even if she has a kid, wants another one, and then she stays home. What's the pt? Hot sex with a young chick isn't happening when she's been changing diapers all day.

So I figure staying married is the least bad option open to me.

Rich dude + hot wife...they just get a nanny!

[Steve Sewell]

I wouldn't pay her that much...and if I am put in jail I am going to earn it.

Not that I advocate this...but a friend once told me that when you first have children in a marriage...you need to make sure your wife understands that you'll put her in the ground before she'll take away your children. Worked for him.

:crazy:

This is not a discussion that I've had in my house...if theywoman in this situation is stupid enough to marry a man who has pre-emptively threatened to kill her, she deserves everything she gets out of that marriage.

[Steve Sewell]

Not quite true. Most courts realize the kids come first no matter who has custody. My ex owes me over 10 years of child support for 3 kids.

If it were me divorcing my wife (and I don't ever plan on it...we have our moments but we love each other and our children), I would give her as much money as she needed, regardless of the amount set. My children are the most important thing in my life...sounds like they are for you too!

[Steve Sewell]

I heard that the Wayans Brothers, Shawn and Marlin, have long time girlfriends who they have children with. But they will not marry them because of what happened to their older brother Keenen Ivory Wayans. I don't know the exact details of the case, and I think the case has been going on for a few years, but Keenen looks like he's going to lose a lot of money.

It's a lot cheaper to have a live in girlfriend who is pretty much your spouce. Even if you have kids. If there is a break up all you are on the hook for is child support...if she gets the kids. There is palimony, but it seems it's better to deal with that then alimony.

This is a pipe dream and not much of a reality...

Have any of you guys (posters on this thread) ever had a girlfriend that would say yes to this question: "Hey sweety, I don't want to get married but let's have a baby together and split all the bills"...LMFAO...this solution is only for the very wealthy and the very poor. My wife would have died laughing if I had ever posed this question to her when we were dating.

[watermock]

Multi-taking is all about timing.

Being able to be paitent is a key...when they say "We will be right back", in a fingernail biter, you have to move fast while the Gieco ads are playing. First you hit the can hit and run...forget the splash...it's 4th down...forget a double wipe. no time...run to the freezer...you have a BAG of ice so you don't have to fuss with an ice tray...run to the downstairs stash of coke and canadian and make an innocent looking cocktail. Chances are your significant other is at least proficient enough to master microwave popcorn and has been facinated for several minutes by now. You make it back just in time to hear Madden stop rambling and she comes back and thinks you haven't left.

[freak6]

His stupidity in not being able to keep his marriage and his family intact?

lmfao

It's always the guys fault!!!

ha ha haaaa

[Mtbrncofn]

Oh come on. All you guys know what I'm talking about. You're getting ready to take a whiz and there it goes, and to your surprise the stream comes out in two opposite directions at once.

You can adjust to the left but then you send a stream off to the right. Or vice versa.

About the only thing you can do is to try to drop quickly to your knees, to narrow the area effect of the field of fire. But it's a dangerous manuever for those of us who are already hung like horses.

Hilarious! It really does come out forked sometimes? Or do you have some intimate jewelry that you're hinting at there, OD? I read the guys that have PA's ( Prince Alberts ) have this problem.

How would this forking occur? I wonder if we women have the occasional forking, but just don't know? Hmmm...

[Mtbrncofn]

I'd say that a man sitting while taking a leak has to be a man card violation. It's just not natural, even if you kept it to yourself. Stand up, and if you miss, just wipe it up. What's the problem?

The problem with this scenario, Jason is that I'd venture to say 99% of the time, this 'wiping up' will not be done with a cleaning agent. Therefore, you ( we ) are left with the worst part....the smell!

Plus a lot of you guys seem to have some vision problems with even seeing the 'miss'. ;D

[Old Dude]

Hilarious! It really does come out forked sometimes? Or do you have some intimate jewelry that you're hinting at there, OD? I read the guys that have PA's ( Prince Alberts ) have this problem.

How would this forking occur? I wonder if we women have the occasional forking, but just don't know? Hmmm...

I have no idea what a Prince Albert is, and I don't think I want to know. All I know is that sometimes the old kickstand, for whatever reason, starts blasting in two directions at once.

[bendog]

I have no idea what a Prince Albert is, and I don't think I want to know. All I know is that sometimes the old kickstand, for whatever reason, starts blasting in two directions at once.

I haven't seen my John Henry since the third year of my marriage - before I gave up cigarettes and chasing loose women - so like I'd have no clue to the forking issue, nor do I know what a Prince Albert is either, beyond a rather nasty brand of pipe tobacco.

[Garcia Bronco]

Hey. I'm equal opportunity stupid. Any woman who would marry a man that would say that type of ignorant thing to her should be scheduled for an immediate sterilization process.

Your whole little scenario above is complete conjecture. Anybody who enters a relationship to have children with the intents stated should not have a relationship and should certainly not have children.

A They were already married.
B It's all out of love for his children.

So I can certainly understand him saying that...and part of me agrees with it.

[smalltowngrll]

I wonder.... if divorce wasn't allowed, would people take the decision to marry more seriously before actually saying "I do"?

Just kind of wondering....I've never been married, so I'm not any sort of an expert on the subject, though.

[Old Dude]

I haven't seen my John Henry since the third year of my marriage - before I gave up cigarettes and chasing loose women - so like I'd have no clue to the forking issue, nor do I know what a Prince Albert is either, beyond a rather nasty brand of pipe tobacco.

Oh, that's what he meant!

... The kid who called the other day and asked if I had Prince Alpert in a Can. I think I was supposed to say yes, and then he was going to say, "Then let him out!"

But instead I just said "What?" and that sort of spoiled the whole punchline.

[Old Dude]

I wonder.... if divorce wasn't allowed, would people take the decision to marry more seriously before actually saying "I do"?
...

Probably not. It would just lead to more abuse, adultery and homicides.

I don't think anyone actually gets married with a preconceived plan to divorce at a later point in time.

Well, except for my ex, that is.

[Mtbrncofn]

I have no idea what a Prince Albert is, and I don't think I want to know. All I know is that sometimes the old kickstand, for whatever reason, starts blasting in two directions at once.

I'll enlighten both you and bendog. You can't go through life not knowing what a Prince Albert is. Ha! You both can thank me later. :D

Here's a link. Warning! Not intended for the younguns.

(link deleted by moderator due to the fact that it made him cringe.)

[Old Dude]

I'll enlighten both you and bendog. You can't go through life not knowing what a Prince Albert is. Ha! You both can thank me later. :D

Here's a link. Warning! Not intended for the younguns.

...

Why in God's name would someone do something like that?

I mean, that's just asking for trouble the next time I get captured and interrogated by a terrorist.

[Mtbrncofn]

Why in God's name would someone do something like that?

I mean, that's just asking for trouble the next time I get captured and interrogated by a terrorist.

LOL For sure. I always wonder at the sanity of these people. They must have one helluva pain threshold.

PS. You are a big wuss mod, OD! :P I could have put up one of the real deal, not some 3D imagery. ;D

[bendog]

I wonder.... if divorce wasn't allowed, would people take the decision to marry more seriously before actually saying "I do"?

Just kind of wondering....I've never been married, so I'm not any sort of an expert on the subject, though.

Many years ago in case where an abused women took revenge by shooting the smaker first in the back, and then in the forehead as he lay on the ground, an old Mississippi judge told me, "Son, lotta men dahzerv ta beh shot by their women, but weah can' have it ... be anarchy."

[-Slap-]

I love how these rare publicized cases of a rich man or sports figure being taken to the cleaners is the "standard" in how things are always done.

Lets see the percentage of men out there that have a child that they have never paid a dime in support...or that they don't really contribute to that child's well-being? Or...wait, you wouldn't own up to that one, now would ya? What about the promises to children that are made every day by absent fathers that are fallen through on because they'd rather party with the boys? These are, unfortunately, the more common occurances.

Needless to say, it's both sides that have, unfortunately, been taken to the cleaners. And, sad to say, the children are the ones that pay the highest prices!

I love how this post was dead on the money and it was totally ignored. I guess its hard for these guys to project the proper victim mentality when discussing actual reality.

[-Slap-]

And hiding assets.

http://www.amazon.com/Screw-b****-Divorce-Tactics-Men/dp/1893626318/sr=1-1/qid=1169075792/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-4564581-2397600?ie=UTF8&s=books

With a foreward by Rocky Bleier.

[Garcia Bronco]

I think a lot of you guys aren't getting sex because of how you spray the bathroom.

I firmly believe you'd solve all your hanging problems and all your wive's pissed off problems if you'd just STFD!

(... sit the **** down)

That would be way too gay.

And another thing...I have always told the woman I date that if they don't put out...I'll go get it some place else. Usually works. And I am talking consistency here....not the ocassional turn down

[-Slap-]

Just an interesting tidbit.

Divorce thread 6 pages
Marrage thread 5 pages
Firearms thread 7 pages
Plummer sucks 4,709 total pages

Who says we don't have our priorities in order?

[Hotrod]

I love how this post was dead on the money and it was totally ignored. I guess its hard for these guys to project the proper victim mentality when discussing actual reality.

Well see when your married you learn how to tune women out. Its not to be mean just more of a self defense thing. Ha!

[XXXII&III]

And another thing...I have always told the woman I date that if they don't put out...I'll go get it some place else. Usually works. And I am talking consistency here....not the ocassional turn down


That's just gross. :)

[Hotrod]

Im lucky my wife is actually hornier then I am.

[Mtbrncofn]

That would be way too gay.

And another thing...I have always told the woman I date that if they don't put out...I'll go get it some place else. Usually works. And I am talking consistency here....not the ocassional turn down

Wow, you sound like a real keeper, Garcia.

[Old Dude]

Well see when your married you forget how to multi-task Its not to be mean just more of a left-brain-right-brain thing. Ha!

I assume this is what you meant to say ...

[Hotrod]

I assume this is what you meant to say ...


Yep exactly ;)

[Garcia Bronco]

Wow, you sound like a real keeper, Garcia.

hey...it's a two way street. If I don't put out when she wants it...I'd expect her to go else where. I am all about the equal rights. And like I said...I am not talking about once this week when she didn't feel like it...I am talking about repeated turn downs. Fork that....guys don't get into relationships, and I don't care what your husband tells you, for anything other than sexual contact.

[XXXII&III]

I thought the Neanderthals had all died out. Apparently I was mistaken. Garcia I hope you don't have any kids.

[Crushaholic]

I wonder.... if divorce wasn't allowed, would people take the decision to marry more seriously before actually saying "I do"?

That's kind of the way Catholics do it. They'll allow divorce, but you can't get remarried in the Catholic Church unless you can prove to the higher-ups that the marriage was doomed from the beginning. It's their way of enforcing the "til death" phrase...

[Old Dude]

... unless you can prove to the higher-ups that the marriage was doomed from the beginning....

That doesn't sound so tough.

[alkemical]

Actually i think Garcia is more than fair. It's all about equivalent exchange. You get what you give, etc.

I haven't been married, was engaged once. But from what i've found that communication is only apparent between equals. If that's the case for communication, it surely applies to everything else.

Alot of times i think women like to see how far we men will go to please them. But one thing that's inherent with alot of people, is that when they get what they want - they learn it's either not what they really wanted - or they aren't satisfied and that always leads to problems when the equation doesn't balance out.

[Old Dude]

So you're saying that when people want what they don't want it can lead to communication problems?

[XXXII&III]

Many people get married while they're still in the temporary infatuation stage of their relationship. When you're viewing your mate through rose colored glasses, s/he can do no wrong and is perfect. Infatuation inevitably fades, and only then are we able to view someone realistically.

It's usually at that point we hear "oh s/he changed!" "s/he isn't the person I married!"

...when, in fact, that person existed all along. The warts were always there; we just overlooked them is all.

[Mtbrncofn]

hey...it's a two way street. If I don't put out when she wants it...I'd expect her to go else where. I am all about the equal rights. And like I said...I am not talking about once this week when she didn't feel like it...I am talking about repeated turn downs. Fork that....guys don't get into relationships, and I don't care what your husband tells you, for anything other than sexual contact.
That is so incredibly absurd. If that was true, there'd be a lot more divorce than there is. You can't tell me if that's all men are about, that they stick around in a marriage where he isn't getting much. ( If we're sticking to your statement. ) :oyvey:

That statement doesn't say much about your sex then, does it?

He doesn't have to tell me anything. He's a loving dad and husband and wonderful provider. That tells me all I need to know.

[Garcia Bronco]

That is so incredibly absurd. If that was true, there'd be a lot more divorce than there is. You can't tell me if that's all men are about, that they stick around in a marriage where he isn't getting much. :oyvey:

That statement doesn't say much about your sex then, does it?

He doesn't have to tell me anything. He's a loving dad and husband and wonderful provider. That tells me all I need to know.


Something may take the place of the sexual contact, but believe me...the sole reason for getting together in the first place is to get laid. All I am truly saying here is everybody needs to put out. Nothing crazy....at least once a day.

[alkemical]

So you're saying that when people want what they don't want it can lead to communication problems?



More or less i guess it can be reverse-osmosisized or something to that effect.

Or when people don't want what they got - it caues problems - maybe that's a different way of stating it too.

[Old Dude]

....at least once a day.

Ha! Ha! Ha! Hilarious! ROFL! Ha! ROFL!

[Mtbrncofn]

Something may take the place of the sexual contact, but believe me...the sole reason for getting together in the first place is to get laid. All I am truly saying here is everybody needs to put out. Nothing crazy....at least once a day.

I'll be absolutely truthful here. Once a day for a mother/maid/whatever is a lot. Being a mom is exhausting. Generally at the end of the day, all moms want to do is relax. They've had kids hanging on them all day, they've run everywhere, they've cooked dinner, they've cleaned. ( I'm not even talking about working moms!! God bless them! ) It's not just physical exhaustion, it's mental exhaustion too. It's hard to want to feel sexy at that point. (This is where you guys helping out a bit comes in handy for both. )

A lot of times when nighttime rolls around, all I want is to just sit there in silence and relax, with no one touching me or bugging me. This isn't a copout. Ask the majority of mothers how they feel.

For that matter, ask my husband. Sex was a lot more plentiful before kids and with each one, its occurrence lessened.

Good thing we started out ahead of the game or we'd be down to none. :)

[alkemical]

Many people get married while they're still in the temporary infatuation stage of their relationship. When you're viewing your mate through rose colored glasses, s/he can do no wrong and is perfect. Infatuation inevitably fades, and only then are we able to view someone realistically.

It's usually at that point we hear "oh s/he changed!" "s/he isn't the person I married!"

...when, in fact, that person existed all along. The warts were always there; we just overlooked them is all.


I have dated several women over the past few months. Two asked me to marry them because: "I'm sooo perfect". Blah! Even jesus picked his ass when it itched, even buddah scratched hisself when he itched, and i'm sure joan of ark had her own issues (heh)....

But yes, i firmly agree with this.

[Old Dude]

More or less i guess it can be reverse-osmosisized or something to that effect.

Or when people don't want what they got - it caues problems - maybe that's a different way of stating it too.

Long time ago, I went to a marriage counselor, and that's pretty much what he said. Took him 8 weeks and $900 in billing to say it though.

[alkemical]

That is so incredibly absurd. If that was true, there'd be a lot more divorce than there is. You can't tell me if that's all men are about, that they stick around in a marriage where he isn't getting much. ( If we're sticking to your statement. ) :oyvey:

That statement doesn't say much about your sex then, does it?

He doesn't have to tell me anything. He's a loving dad and husband and wonderful provider. That tells me all I need to know.

So the 50% divorce rate isn't high enough? lol


j/k -

Yeah, when i date a girl - as much as you can say about shallowness - part is if i like hanging out with her, and her looks etc - but really - sex is a major part of it as well. It's not my "deal breaker" - but it's up there. I will also say - that sometimes - you don't know how someone is until you sleep with them too.

[Old Dude]

I just want to know what all you single people are doing posting on the divorce thread. Planning way ahead or something?

[Hotrod]

Ha! Ha! Ha! Hilarious! ROFL! Ha! ROFL!

Quoted for truth Ha!

[Hotrod]

I can agree with Garcia that MAYBE the original goal of the guy was to get laid when he hit on the woman BUT theres certainly more to a marriage then getting laid.

Hell if getting laid was the only reason to get married I have to say forget that **** I'll stay single thank you.

[Mtbrncofn]

So the 50% divorce rate isn't high enough? lol


j/k -

Yeah, when i date a girl - as much as you can say about shallowness - part is if i like hanging out with her, and her looks etc - but really - sex is a major part of it as well. It's not my "deal breaker" - but it's up there. I will also say - that sometimes - you don't know how someone is until you sleep with them too.

I like the honesty, ames. I completely agree sex is uber important to men. I just think it's ridiculous to say all men get into a relationship for one thing. It paints your sex as pretty shallow.

I'd hope there would be at least a few guys on this board man enough to say it, either way.

[alkemical]

I just want to know what all you single people are doing posting on the divorce thread. Planning way ahead or something?



Learning from past mistakes.... j/k

;)

[Old Dude]

I like the honesty, ames. I completely agree sex is uber important to men. I just think it's ridiculous to say all men get into a relationship for one thing. It paints your sex as pretty shallow.

I'd hope there would be at least a few guys on this board man enough to say it, either way.

To say what either way?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

hey...it's a two way street. If I don't put out when she wants it...I'd expect her to go else where. I am all about the equal rights. And like I said...I am not talking about once this week when she didn't feel like it...I am talking about repeated turn downs. Fork that....guys don't get into relationships, and I don't care what your husband tells you, for anything other than sexual contact.
I don't understand why you're not married yet with the way you turn mere words into poetic expressions of love.

[Garcia Bronco]

What's the matter boys...can't hang? :)

[Old Dude]

What's the matter boys...can't hang? :)


Well not me, that's for sure. I'm not emotionally capable of having sex more than once every 12 years or so, and I'm not due again until 2008.

[Garcia Bronco]

I don't understand why you're not married yet with the way turn mere words into poetic expressions of love.

WTF would I even want to be married. So someone can take half my net worth...take my kids away. **** THAT. Maybe when I am 35, I might get married. Otherwise...this train has to run today...rain or shine, sellout

[XXXII&III]

Old dude you sound like a comet! or - wait - a volcano. yeah, a volcano is more apropos.

[Old Dude]

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/img/environment/volcano30804.jpg

[Mtbrncofn]

To say what either way?

Either be frankly honest like Garcia was about it, or frankly honest the other way....that you didn't get into the relationship for sex.

[Old Dude]

Either be frankly honest like Garcia was about it, or frankly honest the other way....that you didn't get into the relationship for sex.

Oh. Well I went on plenty of dates with no expectation of sex. Most of them, in fact.

[XXXII&III]

I was married 17 years & have been divorced 12. I'd consider marrying again, but I don't *need* to get married again. Both have their pros & cons... I miss the good things about being married and I don't miss the bad. Same with being single - most of the time I'm fine with not being part of a couple, but there are times when I miss it.

So, you make the best of where you happen to be. If I were married, I'd be concentrating on making the best of it. Being single, I'm enjoying the best parts of being on my own.

I joke about finding a sugar daddy, but I'm probably too old to be in a potential sugar daddy's radar. Oh well! And, truthfully, I am probably too independent & set in my ways to put up with an old guy's demands on his sugar babe.

Here's a turn of the tables for you guys, though. For me, money *is* a factor in whether I ever re-marry. Now, wait! Don't make assumptions, lol.

I have worked hard for my assets and I am going to be honest and say I would not consider marrying anyone whose net worth is less than mine. I'm nervous about whether I'm going to have enough to retire on, in the manner in which I want to retire, and that's just with what I've accumulated. I hope I can afford to finance my OWN retirement but I know for sure I can't afford to finance retirement for 2 people.

For me, it ain't all about love, that's for sure. It's all about compatibilities in all sorts of areas, financial included.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

WTF would I even want to be married. So someone can take half my net worth...take my kids away. **** THAT. Maybe when I am 35, I might get married. Otherwise...this train has to run today...rain or shine, selloutI'd guess marriage is a problem you won't have to worry about in your lifetime, not to anyone with any sense or intelligence anyway.

[Garcia Bronco]

I'll be absolutely truthful here. Once a day for a mother/maid/whatever is a lot. Being a mom is exhausting. Generally at the end of the day, all moms want to do is relax. They've had kids hanging on them all day, they've run everywhere, they've cooked dinner, they've cleaned. ( I'm not even talking about working moms!! God bless them! ) It's not just physical exhaustion, it's mental exhaustion too. It's hard to want to feel sexy at that point. (This is where you guys helping out a bit comes in handy for both. )

A lot of times when nighttime rolls around, all I want is to just sit there in silence and relax, with no one touching me or bugging me. This isn't a copout. Ask the majority of mothers how they feel.

For that matter, ask my husband. Sex was a lot more plentiful before kids and with each one, its occurrence lessened.

Good thing we started out ahead of the game or we'd be down to none. :)

There is not a better way to relax. Remember I said sexual contact, not specifically intercourse. And certainly there needs to be teamwork, no one is discounting that, but all I reading are a bunch of excuses. You need to take care of your man tonight. Maybe your husband didn't feel like going to work today to deal with whatever adversity might be there, but he damn sure went...because as you said....he's a good provider....now you need to provide too. :)

[Garcia Bronco]

I'd guess marriage is a problem you won't have to worry about in your lifetime, not to anyone with any sense or intelligence anyway.

yak yak yak...you're like a woman.

[XXXII&III]

Nice, uhhhhh eruption, Old Dude. So that's it until 2019, eh?

[Garcia Bronco]

I was married 17 years & have been divorced 12. I'd consider marrying again, but I don't *need* to get married again. Both have their pros & cons... I miss the good things about being married and I don't miss the bad. Same with being single - most of the time I'm fine with not being part of a couple, but there are times when I miss it.

So, you make the best of where you happen to be. If I were married, I'd be concentrating on making the best of it. Being single, I'm enjoying the best parts of being on my own.

I joke about finding a sugar daddy, but I'm probably too old to be in a potential sugar daddy's radar. Oh well! And, truthfully, I am probably too independent & set in my ways to put up with an old guy's demands on his sugar babe.

Here's a turn of the tables for you guys, though. For me, money *is* a factor in whether I ever re-marry. Now, wait! Don't make assumptions, lol.

I have worked hard for my assets and I am going to be honest and say I would not consider marrying anyone whose net worth is less than mine. I'm nervous about whether I'm going to have enough to retire on, in the manner in which I want to retire, and that's just with what I've accumulated. I hope I can afford to finance my OWN retirement but I know for sure I can't afford to finance retirement for 2 people.

For me, it ain't all about love, that's for sure. It's all about compatibilities in all sorts of areas, financial included.


I have been saving for retirement since I was 26, and I agree with you 100 percent

[Bronco_Beerslug]

yak yak yak...you're like a woman.
Ha!
Unlike you Garcia, I like girls.

[Garcia Bronco]

I can agree with Garcia that MAYBE the original goal of the guy was to get laid when he hit on the woman BUT theres certainly more to a marriage then getting laid.

Hell if getting laid was the only reason to get married I have to say forget that **** I'll stay single thank you.

To say marriage is like what I said is putting the cart before the horse. I am talking about dating which in many situations is the precusor to marriage

[Garcia Bronco]

Ha!
Unlike you Garcia, I like girls.

yeah...I like woman you sick bastard.:rofl:

[Mtbrncofn]

There is not a better way to relax. Remember I said sexual contact, not specifically intercourse. And certainly there needs to be teamwork, no one is discounting that, but all I reading are a bunch of excuses. You need to take care of your man tonight. Maybe your husband didn't feel like going to work today to deal with whatever adversity might be there, but he damn sure went...because as you said....he's a good provider....now you need to provide too. :)

Call em whatever you want, it's the truth. One thing most guys fail to realize or acknowledge is that it's way harder for gals to get things up and movin that it is for you guys. Takes a lot effort on my part and frankly, there are times when I just don't feel like putting the effort forth. Another thing: it's a sure thing for you guys 99% of the time. Us....not so lucky. If you thought you maybe had only a 70% chance of hitting pay dirt every time, would you still be so willing to try all the time? ( I think 70 is generous. ) Or is it possible, you would get annoyed occasionally and not even want to try?

Hey, he could say he didn't want to go to work today. I can't do that. I can't take a day off work with a snap of the fingers. Oh there are days I wish I could.

No offense, Garcia, but you are probably the last person I'd be wanting to take advice from concerning relationships. I do fine on my own. :)

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I have worked hard for my assets and I am going to be honest and say I would not consider marrying anyone whose net worth is less than mine. I'm nervous about whether I'm going to have enough to retire on, in the manner in which I want to retire, and that's just with what I've accumulated. I hope I can afford to finance my OWN retirement but I know for sure I can't afford to finance retirement for 2 people.

For me, it ain't all about love, that's for sure. It's all about compatibilities in all sorts of areas, financial included.Your looking for financial security and or a companion, not love. Love doesn't discriminate based on the size of someone's checking account.

[XXXII&III]

Your looking for financial security and or a companion, not love. Love doesn't discriminate based on the size of someone's checking account.

Loving someone is a decision. I can just as easily decide not to love someone who doesn't fit my criterea.

I'm really not looking for financial security - just financial equality. The security I can manage on my own. Nothing wrong with companionship! Of course the ultimate is sexual attraction combined with numerous compatibilities (including equal net worth). Getting married for love alone is doomed to failure and is the reason our divorce rate is so high.

[Mtbrncofn]

Loving someone is a decision. I can just as easily decide not to love someone who doesn't fit my criterea.

I'm really not looking for financial security - just financial equality. The security I can manage on my own. Nothing wrong with companionship! Of course the ultimate is sexual attraction combined with numerous compatibilities (including equal net worth). Getting married for love alone is doomed to failure and is the reason our divorce rate is so high.

We're 11 years and 3 kids in and we're doing good so far. :) Money had nothing to do with us getting together because neither of us had any. :D

[XXXII&III]

how old were you when you two got together? see i have a theory on that, too. lol

[Clockwork Orange]

Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy.
There's nothing you can make that can't be made.
No one you can save that can't be saved.
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be in time
It's easy.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
There's nothing you can know that isn't known.
Nothing you can see that isn't shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.
It's easy.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
All you need is love (all together now)
All you need is love (everybody)
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.

:)

[Mtbrncofn]

how old were you when you two got together? see i have a theory on that, too. lol

I was 18, he was 21.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Loving someone is a decision. I can just as easily decide not to love someone who doesn't fit my criterea.

I'm really not looking for financial security - just financial equality. The security I can manage on my own. Nothing wrong with companionship! Of course the ultimate is sexual attraction combined with numerous compatibilities (including equal net worth). Getting married for love alone is doomed to failure and is the reason our divorce rate is so high.:) Getting married for companionship (sex feels good, etc...), not love is one reason the divorce rate is so high. Nothing wrong with it if you can find someone else that wants a companion and not necessarly love.

[alkemical]

I want a companion. I don't believe in labels. If i love her and am with her i'm with her.

I don't feel the need for the pressure of some "title".

Have i ever gone out on a date, or dated a woman knowing i may get laid. First date never.

Have i had a woman around short term because i enjoyed her company, and the time we spend - but generally got "bored" with her in all aspects? yes. Then no matter how good the sex is, i'm gone.

[alkemical]

oh and I'd probably be a horrible husband.

[-Slap-]

:) Getting married for companionship (sex feels good, etc...), not love is one reason the divorce rate is so high.

This is so true. I know a lot of people, male and female, who basically got married because they didn't want to live alone. Then they wind up feeling even more alienated because it inevitably dawns on them they're living with a stranger.

[Rock Chalk]

Loving someone is a decision. I can just as easily decide not to love someone who doesn't fit my criterea.

I'm really not looking for financial security - just financial equality. The security I can manage on my own. Nothing wrong with companionship! Of course the ultimate is sexual attraction combined with numerous compatibilities (including equal net worth). Getting married for love alone is doomed to failure and is the reason our divorce rate is so high.

I disagree 1 billion percent.

Getting married for love alone is the only thing that keeps good marriages intact. Getting married for financial security is doomed for failure.

[Old Dude]

Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.
....

Ugh. Dating in the 60s & early 70s.

I should shoot you for that.

See, you whippersnappers can say what you want, but back in the day, there were only three categories of girls who would "put out."

1. "Hippie Chicks"
2. Political Refugees with limited English skills.
3. Girls suffering from "middle child syndrome."

The hippie chicks were all taken. Ad taken. And taken. And taken. The line went clear around the block. To kill time (and to mellow out) while in line, guys took LSD and listened to the Beatles. So by the time they got around to the hippie chick, the guys were pretty much ruined in the head.

Political refugees would have been a better alternative, except that most of them had fathers & brothers & cousins who would kill you if they found out. So you could take this route, but only if you had commando skills or were just generally stupid to start with.

The MCS girls were plentiful, but they were loaded with all kinds of twisted psychological issues. I mean, the main reason they'd put out is because they wanted to make their own families miserable. That's not a big problem, but most of them would get pregnant if you even looked at them sideways, and then their problems would be your problems, and you'd be a card-carrrying member of their family - - ie, on the make-their-life-hell list.

So, all things considered, it was often better just to stay home and watch TV.

[Tredici]

Ugh. Dating in the 60s & early 70s.

I should shoot you for that.

See, you whippersnappers can say what you want, but back in the day, there were only three categories of girls who would "put out."

1. "Hippie Chicks"
2. Political Refugees with limited English skills.
3. Girls suffering from "middle child syndrome."

The hippie chicks were all taken. Ad taken. And taken. And taken. The line went clear around the block. To kill time (and to mellow out) while in line, guys took LSD and listened to the Beatles. So by the time they got around to the hippie chick, the guys were pretty much ruined in the head.

Political refugees would have been a better alternative, except that most of them had fathers & brothers & cousins who would kill you if they found out. So you could take this route, but only if you had commando skills or were just generally stupid to start with.

The MCS girls were plentiful, but they were loaded with all kinds of twisted psychological issues. I mean, the main reason they'd put out is because they wanted to make their own families miserable. That's not a big problem, but most of them would get pregnant if you even looked at them sideways, and then their problems would be your problems, and you'd be a card-carrrying member of their family - - ie, on the make-their-life-hell list.

So, all things considered, it was often better just to stay home and watch TV.


I was a middle child hippie chick. I don't think there were any politics I needed to take refuge from but every now and then my friend and I would pretend to be French and not able to speak English. Didn't have any brothers.