Senator Elway?

[12th man]

I thought I heard on the news this morning that Elway could be a candidate, but I wasn't sure that I heard correctly, so I just did a quick search and found these two articles. One was written last month, and the second one just came out yesterday.
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http://www.longmontfyi.com/Local-Story.asp?id=13831

Publish Date: 12/30/2006

Will Allard leave?
If he does, Senate race in 2008 could be a superstar battle

By Steven K. Paulson
The Associated Press

DENVER — John Elway the Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate? In a race against Denver’s quirky, boyish-faced and popular mayor, John Hickenlooper?

Anything is possible if GOP Sen. Wayne Allard decides to step down in

2008, giving Democrats another chance to pick up an open seat, says former Congressman Scott McInnis.

Allard hasn’t said

whether he will honor his pledge to limit himself to two terms, and he is under pressure to run again from Republicans fearful of losing another open seat to Democrats.

Allard said he won’t decide until early next year whether he will run for a third term or honor a pledge to retire after two. He said Republican Party leaders are pressing him to run.

Allard is seen as vulnerable.

Focusing attention on the seat was a 2006 Time magazine piece that ranked Allard one of the five worst senators.

“In a Senate full of ambitious members, Colorado Republican Wayne Allard is so bland that his critics have dubbed him ‘Dullard,’” said the article, which criticized him for “almost never” playing a major role in legislation despite being a Republican on the powerful Budget and Appropriations committees.

Allard’s chief of staff, Sean Conway, criticized the Time ranking as “more like a popularity poll” based on little other than opinion.

McInnis said if Allard doesn’t run, the party should look to GOP Gov. Bill Owens, who is leaving office under term limits this year with a high approval rating. He said if Owens won’t run, he’s in, but he said there will be a substantial effort by both parties to recruit celebrity candidates, like former Broncos quarterback John Elway, who is active in Republican politics.

“I think Elway could clear the field,” Mcinnis said.

Elway didn’t return phone calls seeking comment. Hickenlooper said he is focused on running for re-election as Denver’s mayor in May and hasn’t thought about 2008.

Owens said the proliferation of attack ads forces parties to seek out candidates who have almost celebrity status.

“As the public gets more and more turned off from elections because of 527s (committees that have funded attack ads) and other reasons, they are more and more looking for Jay Leno to run for U.S. Senate. And if Jay Leno ran for U.S. Senate, I can tell you he would be a very substantial candidate — celebrity status and people like him,” Owens said.

Another prominent Republican, anti-
immigration firebrand Rep. Tom Tancredo, also has been mentioned as a possible candidate. So has GOP Attorney General John Suthers, who said through a spokeswoman that it is premature to make a decision on the 2008 race.

Another up-and-coming Republican, Secretary of State-elect Mike Coffman, said he likes his new job and doesn’t plan to run.

McInnis said he expects Democrats to try to recruit Hickenlooper, who rode to power on quirky ads that promised to reduce Denver’s unpopular parking meter rates.

Hickenlooper rejected a run for governor last year after first delaying an announcement, angering some Democrats.

Democrats are also looking to Democratic Rep. Mark Udall, a popular five-term congressman and son of former U.S. Rep. Morris Udall, who was part of Arizona’s congressional delegation and a candidate for president in 1976.

Udall said now that he has some power and Democrats control the House and he has been named to chair the House Space and Aeronautics Subcommittee, he will wait until next year to make a formal announcement. He made it clear he intends to run whether or not Allard steps down, and whether or not Hickenlooper gives him a primary.

“In politics, you don’t get to pick your opponent. I anticipate we as Democrats will coalesce around my candidacy. My job is to convince the people of Colorado. The best way to do that is to do a good job in Congress,” Udall said.

Republican political consultant Katy Atkinson said Elway would make a good candidate, and so would Hickenlooper. She said Udall may have the upper hand from the party faithful because he withdrew from the Senate race in 2004 so then-Attorney General Ken Salazar could run. She said McInnis is also a strong candidate, with nearly $1 million in the bank from his congressional campaigns.

Independent pollster Floyd Ciruli said he believes Allard will keep his term-limit pledge, giving Democrats a chance to pick up another seat from Republicans after wresting a Senate seat and two congressional seats over the past two years.

“An open seat will be difficult to defend without having Allard in that seat. They definitely need a superstar to hold it,” Ciruli said.

[12th man]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/15/politics/main2359580.shtml

AP) Colorado Republican Sen. Wayne Allard said Monday he will not run for re-election in 2008 but will honor a pledge he made in 1996 to serve only two terms.

``Today, I'm announcing that I will honor my term limits pledge to the people of Colorado,'' he said.

The decision sets up a wide-open race. Allard's seat was once considered safe for the GOP, but Colorado voters have shown a penchant lately for replacing Republicans with Democrats.

Democrats see the race as a chance to pick up another vote in Congress after wresting two House seats and a Senate seat from Republicans the past two years. Republicans hope to stanch a long series of losses, including both houses of the state Legislature and the governor's office.

Democratic Rep. Mark Udall, a popular five-term congressman and son of former Rep. Morris Udall of Arizona, has said he was going to run for the seat whether Allard did or not. Another Democrat who has been mentioned as a potential candidate is Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper.

On the Republican side, former congressman Scott McInnis said he will run if Allard and former Gov. Bill Owens don't.

Owens, a Republican, left office last week after term limits prevented him from running again. McInnis did not immediately return calls Monday.

Another prominent Republican, anti-immigration firebrand Rep. Tom Tancredo, also has been mentioned as a possible candidate. So have Attorney General John Suthers, who said through a spokeswoman it was premature to make a decision about 2008, and John Elway, the former Denver Broncos quarterback.
Allard's political strength came into question in 2006 when Time magazine ranked him as one of the five worst U.S. senators.

Allard's chief of staff, Sean Conway, criticized the Time ranking as ``more like a popularity poll'' and said it was based mostly on opinion.

[JCMElway]

God I hope not. I love the man on the field but I can't stand his political views.

[Meck77]

Huh.....I'd hate to see Elway even jump into the messy swamps of politics as good as the idea may sound. There is no doubt the Dems would uncover every piece of dirt possible to try and ruin him before he even got started.

I'd rather see Elway stick on the path of his NFL ownership plan than mess with being a senator. Hey it's a fun thing to kick around but I seriously doubt that being senator is his plan.

[Spider]

God I hope not. I love the man of the field but I can't stand his political views.

I dont know what Elways views are but as long as Elway could be fair and Just , no reason not to vote for him ......... it is time to get the career politicians out of office , both sides ........time for fresh new blood and Ideas

[12th man]

God I hope not. I love the man of the field but I can't stand his political views.

I have no idea what his political views are at all. all I know is he is a republican and likes G.W. But I would not be shocked at all if he would be elected in just because he is John Elway, the greatest thing in colorado of all time and everybody loves him.

[bronco militia]

Huh.....I'd hate to see Elway even jump into the messy swamps of politics as good as the idea may sound. There is no doubt the Dems would uncover every piece of dirt possible to try and ruin him before he even got started.

I'd rather see Elway stick on the path of his NFL ownership plan than mess with being a senator. Hey it's a fun thing to kick around but I seriously doubt that being senator is his plan.

no doubt.....

[Muddled]

He signed that dodgy "as athletes we know what leadership is- vote for Bush" document before last election. That pretty much leaves very little doubt in my mind about how I'll feel about him as a politician.

[Muddled]

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/bush/bush102104pr.html

there you go, just about the dumbest thing I read in my life

[BroncoInferno]

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/bush/bush102104pr.html

there you go, just about the dumbest thing I read in my life

LOL

Oh man, that is retarded. Et tu, John?

[Spider]

alright now ......... alot of people backed Bush , doesnt mean Elway has the same stance now ........ ok I will read the link before commenting any futher , but Toby Kieth shifted gears , I wouldnt doubt Elway hasnt either

[Spider]

means nothing ........ Cant blame Elway for supporting Bush when majority of Americans thought Bush was right , as time has gone by , we have seen evidence of Bush manipulating the reasons for war in iraq .... Until someone comes up with Proof Elway was involved in the circle of the White house , will give Elway the same grace as 90% of congress gets .........

[Atlas]

He is a little too conservative for my taste

[Rascal]

Elway was obviously confused.

Wasn't he banging that ex-playboy whore during that time. Obviously all his attention was devoted elsewhere and he didn't have the time/energy to keep up with things outside the bedroom.

[ludo21]

oooopp!

Political thread, move it to the correct forum, or else firearms should be brought back.

[-Slap-]

Well, I know John is bored silly in retirement, but a politician?

I was hoping used car salesman was as far down the scale he was willing to slide.

[cabronco]

Just say No.. John !! I'd rather see you as our Qb coach for Cutler. I'm sure Shanahan would give you a fancy title too.

[broncosteven]

I heard him pimping his Barco lounger on radio this AM.

Who wants to sit in a John Elway Couch after voting for Elway for Senate?

[AboveAverage]

I knew Elway was a Republican.

He no showed both visits to the White House with Clinton for our Super Bowl victories, if I remember correctly.

[Dudeskey]

This buzz will die down like the Mike Ditka thing a couple years back... Owens will run

[mhgaffney]

Just goes to show that great athletes can be totally retarded when it comes to politics.

I would have hoped for Elway the progressive.

Let's hope he stays out of it. I want to remember him for what he did on the football field.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I thought I heard on the news this morning that Elway could be a candidate, but I wasn't sure that I heard correctly, so I just did a quick search and found these two articles. One was written last month, and the second one just came out yesterday.


Whatever station you listen to needs to update their news more than once a day. Elway's spokesman said yesterday, pretty much as soon as the media started mentioning him as a possible candidate, that he had no interest in running for the Senate seat.

If he runs for anything anytime soon, it looks like it might be for governor in '10.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

This buzz will die down like the Mike Ditka thing a couple years back... Owens will run

and Owens said pretty much as quickly as Elway did that he had no interest in running.

McInnis and Shaffer will probably be the two vying for it, though I've heard that Shaffer wants a shot at Salazar in '10. A real long shot is the state AG, John Suthers.

[KipCorrington25]

He wouldn't win. We aren't rubes like in Nebraska.

[Stormontheplains]

I forget during the season why I cant stand for politics to be brought up on the forum. I am a replubican, I am a GW person, and I believe John Elway would bring alot to the table for us. No, he's not a flaming liberal, but the idiot tank is full with those guys.

[Kaylore]

Shanahan's republican too. It will interesting to see if Elway does run how fast you will all throw him into the trash.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I forget during the season why I cant stand for politics to be brought up on the forum. I am a replubican, I am a GW person, and I believe John Elway would bring alot to the table for us. No, he's not a flaming liberal, but the idiot tank is full with those guys.You're a "GW person" and calling other people idiots? Ha!

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

As Herc said. Elway has already said Hell No when asked. End of story - end of thread.

[-Slap-]

Shanahan's republican too. It will interesting to see if Elway does run how fast you will all throw him into the trash.

Why would I throw them in the trash? I have lots of friends with their heads up their asses politically. Some of them on this very thread.

:angel:

[Spider]

I forget during the season why I cant stand for politics to be brought up on the forum. I am a replubican, I am a GW person, and I believe John Elway would bring alot to the table for us. No, he's not a flaming liberal, but the idiot tank is full with those guys.

a guy who clearly put party in front of the good of Country , calling other people Idiots ?
wow ..........

[Hercules Rockefeller]

a guy who clearly put party in front of the good of Country , calling other people Idiots ?
wow ..........

That'd be a great point if the D's hadn't put up an utterly terrible candidate in his own right.

[Spider]

That'd be a great point if the D's hadn't put up an utterly terrible candidate in his own right.

Yeah Kerry was all over the place ......... But electing Kerry and keeping a republican controlled Congress ,probably would have off set either party , and some things would have got done ........

[Spider]

but I am at least willing to listen to Elway

[Orange_Beard]

I would not vote for him. No way.

[Spider]

I would not vote for him. No way.

even before hearing his platform ?

[Orange_Beard]

even before hearing his platform ?

He was on the Stump for Bush here in Denver. I will give him the first Bush vote. Gore was/is a dip ****. However to back Bush after his first 4 years makes you a DMFer.

[ColoradoDarin]

He was on the Stump for Bush here in Denver. I will give him the first Bush vote. Gore was/is a dip ****. However to back Bush after his first 4 years makes you a DMFer.

Unfortunately it wasn't just a vote for or against Bush, there was another guy on the ballot. I voted for Bush in 2004 and don't regret it one bit. Why? Because the other guy was John Kerry who sold out everyone who served in Vietnam (which would include my father). The Democrats run someone who wasn't a traitor and they win in a landslide (and probably get my vote for that election too).

[Orange_Beard]

Unfortunately it wasn't just a vote for or against Bush, there was another guy on the ballot. I voted for Bush in 2004 and don't regret it one bit. Why? Because the other guy was John Kerry who sold out everyone who served in Vietnam (which would include my father). The Democrats run someone who wasn't a traitor and they win in a landslide (and probably get my vote for that election too).

Blinded by the right.

You should get your ass to Iraq, show us all how it done.

[Spider]

Unfortunately it wasn't just a vote for or against Bush, there was another guy on the ballot. I voted for Bush in 2004 and don't regret it one bit. Why? Because the other guy was John Kerry who sold out everyone who served in Vietnam (which would include my father). The Democrats run someone who wasn't a traitor and they win in a landslide (and probably get my vote for that election too).

My Dad was in Nam also ........... he feels differently about Kerry , doesnt really like him , but doesn't call him a traitor ..........

[Spider]

He was on the Stump for Bush here in Denver. I will give him the first Bush vote. Gore was/is a dip ****. However to back Bush after his first 4 years makes you a DMFer.

you have a strong point .........

[Orange_Beard]

My Dad was in Nam also ........... he feels differently about Kerry , doesnt really like him , but doesn't call him a traitor ..........

Traitor? Let's see, John Kerry Nam. GW Bush, well no one really knows. MIA

[ColoradoDarin]

Blinded by the right.

You should get your ass to Iraq, show us all how it done.

I didn't say anything about Iraq? WTF? If John Edwards wins the Democrat nomination, I would probably have voted for him over Bush. You too stupid to read what I actually write instead of ASSuming?

[ColoradoDarin]

Traitor? Let's see, John Kerry Nam. GW Bush, well no one really knows. MIA

Read up (http://www.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/JohnKerryTestimony.html), please

[Orange_Beard]

I didn't say anything about Iraq? WTF? If John Edwards wins the Democrat nomination, I would probably have voted for him over Bush. You too stupid to read what I actually write instead of ASSuming?

You voted for the war. Go. You attack Kerry, go show us how it is done.
You and GW are a couple of Pu$$yies. Send other people kids to fight, stay home and talk trash.

[Spider]

Read up (http://www.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/JohnKerryTestimony.html), please

Man some bad shít went down in Nam , speaking about it makes him a traitor ?

[Orange_Beard]

Read up (http://www.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/JohnKerryTestimony.html), please

That makes him a traitor?

I say not showing up makes you a traitor. Kerry spoke out AFTER he went. Your boy ran like a coward.

[ColoradoDarin]

Man some bad shít went down in Nam , speaking about it makes him a traitor ?

Him saying it was a normal occurrence there is what I have a problem with. That whole culture that made it OK to spit on people when they returned. I blame every one of those f^&*ers and their enablers.

[ColoradoDarin]

That makes him a traitor?

I say not showing up makes you a traitor. Kerry spoke out AFTER he went. Your boy ran like a coward.

So did Clinton, I got no beef with him either.

[Orange_Beard]

So did Clinton, I got no beef with him either.

How can you call a guy who went a traitor and not hold a deserter up to the same standard.

Did not Bush speak with his actions by deserting?

[ColoradoDarin]

You voted for the war. Go. You attack Kerry, go show us how it is done.
You and GW are a couple of Pu$$yies. Send other people kids to fight, stay home and talk trash.

Kerry voted for the war too (before he was against it, or for it, or against it, or for it, or against it).

I know you don't have an answer, so you are trying the debate tactic to shut off any response (it's the cowards way out). I don't see how your non-sequitur applies in this case.

BTW, I'm in a wheel-chair.

[ColoradoDarin]

How can you call a guy who went a traitor and not hold a deserter up to the same standard.

Did not Bush speak with his actions by deserting?

Because one only affects one person, the other tried to tar everyone else.

[Spider]

Him saying it was a normal occurrence there is what I have a problem with. That whole culture that made it OK to spit on people when they returned. I blame every one of those f^&*ers and their enablers.

Maybe it was common occurrences .......... no one spit on the troops when they returned , not one documented case of it , blame them for what ?
Just like the Jane Fonda letter , the guys in that line said there was no note .....
jane Fonda sitting on the anti aircraft gun used to fight Americans was wrong , but she took a big glob of spit in the face , documented no less .........

[Spider]

http://www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/?id=350
here is a paragraph on the very issue
Similar stories became quite popular during the Gulf War of 1991 which raised my curiosity about where they came from and why they were believed. There is nothing in the historical record — news or police reports, for example — suggesting they really happened. In fact, the Veterans Administration commissioned a Harris Poll in 1971 that found 94% of Vietnam veterans reporting friendly homecomings from their age-group peers who had not served in the military. Moreover, the historical record is rich with the details of solidarity and mutuality between the anti-war movement and Vietnam veterans. The real truth, in other words, is that anti-war activists reached out to Vietnam veterans and veterans joined the movement in large numbers.

[ColoradoDarin]

http://www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/?id=350
here is a paragraph on the very issue

Well, I have a problem believing VVAW, but absent any other facts, I take back that portion of my comment. The rest of it I still stand behind (that spirit still seems alive today (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=8744)).
If there’s one slogan that’s come to represent the anti-war movement in its current incarnation, it’s one that appeared on a banner in a March 15 demonstration in San Francisco. It bore the message,“We Support Our Troops, When They Shoot Their Officers.”

[Orange_Beard]

Kerry voted for the war too (before he was against it, or for it, or against it, or for it, or against it).

I know you don't have an answer, so you are trying the debate tactic to shut off any response (it's the cowards way out). I don't see how your non-sequitur applies in this case.

BTW, I'm in a wheel-chair.



Don't have an answer for what?

You know I would say I was netural about the war, BEFORE WE FOUND OUT ALL OF THE INFORMATION OUR TRUSTED LEADER WAS GIVING US, WAS MADE UP!

I guess you can't see how this applies because you got them Bush smarts.

[Orange_Beard]

Because one only affects one person, the other tried to tar everyone else.

Damm. That is a crazy one sided view. Not showing up, running out on your brothers only affects one person?

What about the tropps he left hanging?

Do you read what you post?

[Dukes]

I could really care less if he ran or not, but one thing is for sure. He'd slaughter anyone who ran against him in Colorado. A landslide of proportions never before seen

[ColoradoDarin]

Don't have an answer for what?

You know I would say I was netural about the war, BEFORE WE FOUND OUT ALL OF THE INFORMATION OUR TRUSTED LEADER WAS GIVING US, WAS MADE UP!

I guess you can't see how this applies because you got them Bush smarts.

Hindsight is always 20/20. If I knew then what I know....

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."

- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation .. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry ( D - MA), and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that .. Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do." - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapon stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

PLUS, a unanimous UN Security Council and Intel Dept's of all member nations, including France, Germany and Russia.

[Dukes]

Blinded by the right.

You should get your ass to Iraq, show us all how it done.

I just got back from Iraq, and it's really not as bad as the media makes it out to be. You call someone else out for being blinded by the right? Sounds to me like your just as blinded from all the media BS

[Orange_Beard]

Hindsight is always 20/20. If I knew then what I know....

All of these men on this list were lied to.

[Orange_Beard]

I just got back from Iraq, and it's really not as bad as the media makes it out to be. You call someone else out for being blinded by the right? Sounds to me like your just as blinded from all the media BS

Welcome home.

[broncocalijohn]

Just goes to show that great athletes can be totally retarded when it comes to politics.

I would have hoped for Elway the progressive.

Let's hope he stays out of it. I want to remember him for what he did on the football field.


This is coming from a guy that thinks mini nukes were used on the WTC. I am probably in line with his politics but I dont like to see my heroes get clouded on things that matter in "Real" life. Broncos are a passion that has nothing to do with family or day to day life (my wife might think different). He would win in a land slide. What democrate would be pushed to talk Sheat on Elway inside Colorado? Gaffney, I guess being conservative is retarded? Hmm, go back to your jew hating and conspiracy theories over at the war forum.

[obediah]

Blah Blah Blah Republican Blah Blah Blah Demoncrap BLah blah blah Get over yourselves already. Both Parties suck, both parties have done little GOOD for this country in the past 30 years. THEY ARE POLITICIANS!!!! That is a dirty fricken word in my book. God Help us if Elway makes the turn and becomes one. Not because he belongs to any specific party. Just that he would become one of the corrupted politicians.

Use your brain vote for the guy that best fits your ideals and morals regardless of what party they belong to.

Obediah

PS. Im Jewish so bring it if you got something to say about us Heebs! :P

[Rock Chalk]

All of these men on this list were lied to.

Who lied to them in 1998? I saw several quotes from Clinton's term.

Who lied to the UN Inspectors?

[clarkster]

wow, an Iraq conversation...I find it funny that everyones quick to blame one man for this war. as if he(or any other man) has the knowledge and capacity to make such decisions.
another thing i find funny(not saying that this is that crowd) is that the majority of the people i run into that are opposed to the war and are demanding our "immediate withdrawal" have absolutely zero connection to the war. they dont know any veterans there, they have no family there, so on and so forth. not saying they dont deserve an opinion, but O&B4life said it perfect, I was there, tell me something...i guess my point is one shouldnt follow the media or news coverage and base such decisions on that.

[ol number 7]

LOL

Oh man, that is retarded. Et tu, John?

Just name him Secretary of Offense

[Orange_Beard]

Who lied to them in 1998? I saw several quotes from Clinton's term.

Who lied to the UN Inspectors?

The Man did it.