Willis McGahee

[Clockwork Orange]

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20070116/1066004.asp?tbd1066004.asp

Marv Levy has gotten a lot of credit for changing the culture of the Bills since taking over as general manager a year ago. Much of it is justified. Levy has instilled a renewed sense of camaraderie, and he has been firm in his commitment to players of high character and intellect.

But Levy can't have it both ways. The talk about character begins to ring hollow when his top running back, Willis McGahee, is embarrassing the franchise and the community at every turn.

McGahee has worn out his welcome in this town. It's pretty evident that he doesn't want to be here. From what I can gather, his recent request for a contract extension is a thinly veiled attempt to poison the waters with management and force a trade out of Buffalo.

Interviewed in this month's Penthouse Magazine, McGahee says it would be a "good situation" if the NFL had a team in Toronto. That's not all. McGahee says rather than put a team in Toronto, the NFL should move the Bills there. "Case closed," he says.

It's amazing to think McGahee could be so cavalier about the greatest fear of Bills' fans. He couldn't have picked a more ideal way to alienate himself from the local populace. His supporters, who patronize him as you would a recalcitrant 3-year-old, will say he was only kidding - as they did when McGahee said he didn't know it was fourth down in the season opener.

I stopped giving McGahee the benefit of the doubt long ago. In the Penthouse piece, he says there's nothing to do in Buffalo. OK, this isn't Los Angeles or Miami. But fans here don't need their millionaire athletes to rub their noses in it.

High character? Last week, it was reported in the Miami Herald that a woman had filed a paternity suit against McGahee. That makes three in 15 months for McGahee, by three different women. He has been declared the biological father in the other two cases and is paying child support.

Chiniqua Smith, one of the women getting support from McGahee, said she mainly wants her son - Willis McGahee IV - to have a father in his life, "not just every blue moon." Smith said "you can't hold a gun to someone's head" to force him to spend time with his child.

How do you preach character and justify keeping this sort of lowlife on your team? Owner Ralph Wilson said McGahee's off-field issues will weigh into any decision the team makes on a contract extension. Wilson wouldn't rule out an extension, but he seemed reluctant to give a monster payday to a running back he has termed a "disappointment."

"I've been in this game too long to have someone hold a hammer over my head," Wilson said Monday by phone.

McGahee isn't worth the trouble. He's an average running back. He's not worth the sort of investment that his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, is likely to seek (something in the four-year, $30 million range that Arizona gave Edgerrin James). The Bills could stand their ground and let him hold out of camp if that's his strategy. But that wouldn't be the best thing for a young, evolving football team.

They should trade him now. Get a draft pick, find a rookie to go with Anthony Thomas and move on. The running game might slip, but not significantly. Remember, the Bills didn't sell out their last four home games. There's a fragile connection with the fans right now. Taking a stand on McGahee will be a good bit of public relations.

McGahee isn't a very smart person or player. He misses holes. He misses blocks. And where the Buffalo community is concerned, he misses the point. He insults the town's intelligence, and Levy should know that. He's supposed to be in touch with the people here.

If Levy really gets it, he should get McGahee out of here. Case closed.
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Sounds like he could be available. Anyone interested?

[Popps]

High character? Last week, it was reported in the Miami Herald that a woman had filed a paternity suit against McGahee. That makes three in 15 months for McGahee, by three different women. He has been declared the biological father in the other two cases and is paying child support.

What a piece of dog****.

Actually, that's an insult to dog****.

[-Slap-]

Chiniqua Smith, one of the women getting support from McGahee

Yet another way to spell Chiniqua. Truly amazing.

McGahee looks like a strong contender in the Bastardmaker Sweepstakes. Only time will tell if he has the staying power to hang with the Sean Kemps and Evander Holyfields.

[BroncoInferno]

If he could be had for 3rd I'd go along with it. I don't invest much in the idea that I have to like every player on my team; it's impossible that there won't be a few dickheads. As long as his douchebaggery doesn't cause distrations I'd go along with it.

[-Slap-]

I do invest in that theory, but the Broncos never have, witness Kay, Mobley, Carswell, Carter, Gardener, etc.

[Clockwork Orange]

His being a Miami guy and grumbling about not liking the city he's in sounds pretty similar to a RB who was here recently. Combined with the fact that Rosenholdout is his agent, I have to say I'd lean towards no on this one.

[Jens1893]

The guy names his kids in the order they were born in?

[Clockwork Orange]

The guy names his kids in the order they were born in?

It worked for George Foreman.

[Dudeskey]

High character? Last week, it was reported in the Miami Herald that a woman had filed a paternity suit against McGahee. That makes three in 15 months for McGahee, by three different women. He has been declared the biological father in the other two cases and is paying child support.

What a piece of dog****.

Actually, that's an insult to dog****.

He's a goddamn moron... there are things called condoms and they aren't expensive.

[BroncoInferno]

I do invest in that theory, but the Broncos never have, witness Kay, Mobley, Carswell, Carter, Gardener, etc.

The main reason I don't invest in that notion is because there are so many phonies out there who know how to say what people want to hear in front of a camera and seem like a decent fellows. We only see the guys once a week for 3 hrs about half the year, we have no idea how many of them really conduct themselves. There are likely Broncos or former Broncos who are considered decent guys who we would discover to be scum if we REALLY got to know them. Rod Smith had that "altercation" with his wife a few years back...maybe it was an isolated incident, but who knows? Those things normally aren't, in my experience. If they're a good football player and they don't cause a distraction off the field, fine with me. That's not to say I'd be fine with known felons, just that there is so much that we DONT know that I think it's really pointless to invest much in the players' conduct in their private lives (again, so long as the conduct is legal and doesn't cause distrations).

[Bronco LB 59]

His being a Miami guy and grumbling about not liking the city he's in sounds pretty similar to a RB who was here recently. Combined with the fact that Rosenholdout is his agent, I have to say I'd lean towards no on this one.

Portis is five times the football player McGahee will ever be.

[Clockwork Orange]

Portis is five times the football player McGahee will ever be.

I agree, that's what made Portis tolerable.

[Bronco LB 59]

He's a goddamn moron... there are things called condoms and they aren't expensive.

Bareback feels so much better though.

[Ratboy]

I'd take McGahee over anyone in our backfield.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Sounds like he could be available. Anyone interested?
Sure why not...that big buildup stressing his high charachter and team player attributes has me chompin' at the bit for this scumsucker. We can team him with Rick "Bong" Williams for a great 1-2 kick in the nuts.

When's MoC gettin' out? ;D

[alkemical]

Bareback feels so much better though.

I'm sure childsupport cubed feels even better.

[BABronco]

Mike Bell> Willis McGahee

[-Slap-]

The main reason I don't invest in that notion is because there are so many phonies out there who know how to say what people want to hear in front of a camera and seem like a decent fellows. We only see the guys once a week for 3 hrs about half the year, we have no idea how many of them really conduct themselves. There are likely Broncos or former Broncos who are considered decent guys who we would discover to be scum if we REALLY got to know them. Rod Smith had that "altercation" with his wife a few years back...maybe it was an isolated incident, but who knows? Those things normally aren't, in my experience. If they're a good football player and they don't cause a distraction off the field, fine with me. That's not to say I'd be fine with known felons, just that there is so much that we DONT know that I think it's really pointless to invest much in the players' conduct in their private lives (again, so long as the conduct is legal and doesn't cause distrations).

Believe me, if a guy has a phony image, his teammates and the organization know better than anyone because they spend time covering for the guy. There was a time when bad guys were blackballed throughout the League. The Al Davis type owners opened up that Pandora's Box and now the inmates have been running the asylum for the last two decades. Winning and losing isn't nearly as important as being disrespected.

[Killericon]

I'd rather go 9-7 with a guy like Mike Bell in our backfield than 13-3 with a guy like this asshole.

[BABronco]

MB should break out next year

[brncs_fan]

The guy finished 24th in the league in rushing (below Tatum) and is only averaging 3.8 yards while missing two games and being an apparent disturbance.

Pass.

[Master___Pain]

At least Willis will have that edjukatshin to fall back on when he's done playing ball. Strange to see a "U" player upset about the night life isn't?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

He's a goddamn moron... there are things called condoms and they aren't expensive.Get lasered and you don't even have to remember to pack condoms around with you.

[toad]

Doesn't Rod Smith have 3 kids by 3 different women as well?

Maybe not conceived in the short period of time as McGahee's but still....

[DomCasual]

Honestly, the paternity issues aside, I can't say I blame him for wanting out of Buffalo. I have lived there - it's a hole. Other parts of Western New York are incredible. Buffalo sucks. In fact, there is a word, probably, that would describe it better than "sucks." I just can't think of it, at the present time.

[BABronco]

Doesn't Rod Smith have 3 kids by 3 different women as well?

Maybe not conceived in the short period of time as McGahee's but still....

Smith .. I don't believe this .. your pullin my leg ... you gotta be

[DomCasual]

I'd rather go 9-7 with a guy like Mike Bell in our backfield than 13-3 with a guy like this a-hole.

That makes one of us.

Sorry, but I don't watch the Broncos because they're a bunch of good guys. It's nice when they are, but I loved those two Lombardi Trophies, in spite of #53 on defense.

[alkemical]

Believe me, if a guy has a phony image, his teammates and the organization know better than anyone because they spend time covering for the guy. There was a time when bad guys were blackballed throughout the League. The Al Davis type owners opened up that Pandora's Box and now the inmates have been running the asylum for the last two decades. Winning and losing isn't nearly as important as being disrespected.



I don't know slap, disrespect me at a club - and you might find a cap in your ass............

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Doesn't Rod Smith have 3 kids by 3 different women as well?

Maybe not conceived in the short period of time as McGahee's but still....Smith had a least 2 paternity suits against him I believe, I guess that puts him McGahee's class (dog sh*t someone said?).

[Jens1893]

At least Willis will have that edjukatshin to fall back on when he's done playing ball. Strange to see a "U" player upset about the night life isn't?

"Do you want fries with that?"

[Drek]

No thanks. He's nearing the end of his rookie deal, why give up a pick to rent McGahee only to have him demand big money when he's already a flavor clown who underperforms as it is?

I'd rather trade for Thomas Jones/Cedric Benson if Chicago wants to move one of them, or Ricky Williams if Miami doesn't want to give him a shot post-suspension.

[TheChamp24]

I asked twice with no responses about trading for McGahee in the Draft Trade thread, and now theres a topic about trading for him. What a great feeling.
I think if he doesn't want a huge contract he might be a good fit here, as long as he doesn't cost too much to trade for as well.

[Los Broncos]

I mean at what point in your life is it a good time to stop crossing your fingers and just blowing, use your head, if you have one.

[Killericon]

That makes one of us.

Sorry, but I don't watch the Broncos because they're a bunch of good guys. It's nice when they are, but I loved those two Lombardi Trophies, in spite of #53 on defense.

I can't really cheer for guys THIS bad, no matter what jersey they don.

[TheDave]

Oh' hell no... hell no!

[Tredici]

Smith has two sons, Devin and Roderick Jr., and a daughter, Vanessa.


Smith was all-league, all-area, all-state and an Arkansas all-state game choice as a senior at Texarkana High School in Texarkana, Ark. He lettered twice in football and basketball and once in baseball. He began supporting an orphanage in Mexico City in 1994 and in August 1997 had the opportunity to meet the children when the Broncos traveled to Mexico City for a preseason American Bowl game. Smith hosted a group of the children for several hours at the team hotel and donated Broncos hats and T-shirts to more than 400 others.

He was named Missouri Southern’s Outstanding Graduate in 1994, after completing his collegiate studies with three degrees, in economics and finance, general business, as well as marketing and management.

2004: The Broncos' NFL Walter Payton Man of the Year finalist.

He served as the spokesman for the annual Denver Broncos Community Blood Drive since its inception eight years ago.

I really get tired of people who can't make the simple connection that Rod Smith made a mistake. Stood up and said he made a mistake. Apologized and said it would never happen again. He went on National TV (The Oprah Winfrey Show) as a spokesperson against violence and abuse advising all people to seek anger management if they felt they could ever lose control.

I don't condone what Rod did. But if a man does push a woman down after being told his daughter is going to taken away from him and he won't see her again, I guess that is one forgivable moment of passion.

To even compare Rod Smith to Willis MaGahee is beyond me. In about 15 years if Willis turns his life around and becomes the type of person Rod Smith is, I might re-consider how I look at him instead of just remembering this article.

[-Slap-]

Perhaps the posters who ignorantly slandered him on this thread will retract their comments now.

Probably not.

[KipCorrington25]

This guy sucks, I'll take my chances with the draft, free agency, or what we already have.

Pass.

[Elway 4 Life]

I'm sure childsupport cubed feels even better.

:spit:

[ColoradoDarin]

Pass on McGahee, just another Gardner, Carter, Clarett and will not help this team.

[azbroncfan]

I'd take him, athletes arent the only ones with kids all over. It's his issue he has to deal with I would let him tote the rock in denver. I'm sure noone here has ever had a kid out of wedlock.

[azbroncfan]

No thanks. He's nearing the end of his rookie deal, why give up a pick to rent McGahee only to have him demand big money when he's already a flavor clown who underperforms as it is?

I'd rather trade for Thomas Jones/Cedric Benson if Chicago wants to move one of them, or Ricky Williams if Miami doesn't want to give him a shot post-suspension.

That's real hypocritical.

[ludo21]

People want a stud RB, but dont wanna have to pay him? are you kidding me?

Mcgahee would be nice here, but if we go that dircetion, lets go Marshawn Lynch ;D

[-Slap-]

I'd take him, athletes arent the only ones with kids all over. It's his issue he has to deal with I would let him tote the rock in denver. I'm sure noone here has ever had a kid out of wedlock.

There's a world of difference between having a child out of wedlock, and supporting that child, and McGahee's situation. The mothers of his children have had to track him down and serve him with court orders for genetic testing to prove he even fathered his children. Then they had to sue him for child support. Apparently he has no physical contact with his children.

You equate this behavior to any person who has ever had a child without being married?

[azbroncfan]

There's a world of difference between having a child out of wedlock, and supporting that child, and McGahee's situation. The mothers of his children have had to track him down and serve him with court orders for genetic testing to prove he even fathered his children. Then they had to sue him for child support. Apparently he has no physical contact with his children.

You equate this behavior to any person who has ever had a child without being married?

Well he is paying on the two children and is in a paternity suit. Now who knows how many women these women have been with or their story and it's Willis's issues. There are hundreds of these cases in pro sports MJ, Karl Malone, Chad Johnson, Ricky Williams ( who you have endorsed slap), etc. I don't think it is right but it is the normal with these athletes.

[NYBronco]

We have Mike Bell, MaGahee will be too costly as the Broncos try to build a solid defensive line. I think Mike will become a much improved RB next year.

[-Slap-]

Well he is paying on the two children and is in a paternity suit. Now who knows how many women these women have been with or their story and it's Willis's issues. There are hundreds of these cases in pro sports MJ, Karl Malone, Chad Johnson, Ricky Williams ( who you have endorsed slap), etc. I don't think it is right but it is the normal with these athletes.

I thought you were wrong to equate being forced to pay child support with anybody who's had a child without being married.

I do agree with the main point of your last post that its hardly only athletes who behave this way. Sure Evander Holyfield has upwards of nine illegitmate children (nobody that punchdrunk keeps fighting unless he has a good reason), but at least he can pay for his kids.

Now, you can find two legged dogs in every big city in America who have ten or more illegitimate children and no visible means of support whatsoever. Judges will order them to pay $100 a month and split the money up among ten kids and they'll still come up delinquent.

[Hogan11]

Honestly, the paternity issues aside, I can't say I blame him for wanting out of Buffalo. I have lived there - it's a hole. Other parts of Western New York are incredible. Buffalo sucks. In fact, there is a word, probably, that would describe it better than "sucks." I just can't think of it, at the present time.

I would say the same about SLC and Utah...but there are no incredible parts of that Godawful state. No Offense.

Since I do live in the area and have to put up with Bills games every Sunday, lemme just state for the record that all this paternity horseshat aside...the guy was outplayed by the A Train this past season....I said he was outplayed by The freakin' A Train last season. Nobody wants him here any longer and I'd be very surprised if he did return to the Bills in 2007.

[Bronco LB 59]

I would say the same about SLC and Utah...but there are no incredible parts of that Godawful state. No Offense.

Yeah right! Utah has some of most breathtaking natural wonders in the country. The Wasatchs, Bryce Canyon, Zion and the Arches. The skiing is phenominal as well. The the laws of the land, culture and nightlife are major turnoffs, it's the closest thing to Tehran in this country, but it does have incredible beauty.

Since I do live in the area and have to put up with Bills games every Sunday, lemme just state for the record that all this paternity horseshat aside...the guy was outplayed by the A Train this past season....I said he was outplayed by The freakin' A Train last season. Nobody wants him here any longer and I'd be very surprised if he did return to the Bills in 2007.

Sounds like he's a perfect fit in Oakland.

[Hogan11]

Yeah right! Utah has some of most breathtaking natural wonders in the country. The Wasatchs, Bryce Canyon, Zion and the Arches. The skiing is phenominal as well. The the laws of the land, culture and nightlife are major turnoffs, it's the closest thing to Tehran in this country, but it does have incredible beauty.

For some people maybe...but I couldn't escape the smell of that friggin' lake making me ill from border to border and since I don't ski, looking at that supposed beauty through a haze of constant nausea tended to jade my view on the place. That's not to mention the law of the land, etc. etc.

I couldn't handle the intense sulfer smell at all....the AC in my hotel room couldn't even kill it. As a result, I do have the distinction of throwing up on both the edge of that lake and the steps of the Tabernackle whilst the Chior was doing it's thing all in the same day in 1988.....congradulate me!

I'll never, ever set foot in that godawful state ever again.

[DomCasual]

For some people maybe...but I couldn't escape the smell of that friggin' lake making me ill from border to border and since I don't ski, looking at that supposed beauty through a haze of constant nausea tended to jade my view on the place. That's not to mention the law of the land, etc. etc.

I couldn't handle the intense sulfer smell at all....the AC in my hotel room couldn't even kill it. As a result, I do have the distinction of throwing up on both the edge of that lake and the steps of the Tabernackle whilst the Chior was doing it's thing all in the same day in 1988.....congradulate me!

I'll never, ever set foot in that godawful state ever again.

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about with the smell. I have never smelled the Great Salt Lake.

But speaking of smells - I remember reading somewhere that Niagara Falls, NY is the most polluted city in America. I have never smelled anything like it. Niagara Falls is one of the most incredible things I have ever seen - once I got past the smell coming off the Niagara River. But that wasn't so bad, after I found out about all the radioactive waste that's been dumped in that part of the country. I kept checking myself the whole time I was up there, making sure I wasn't sprouting a third nipple anywhere.

Seriously, Hogan - there's an irony to you talking about the smell of the Great Salt Lake while you're living right by the stinkiest place in the country.

[dbroncos31]

If McGahee can help us win a Lombardi, then we need to get him. Shanhan is not running this team to have "good character." Like Dom said, I don't watch the Broncos because they are nice guys. I want them to win. Romanowski was one of my favorite players back in the day because he was so passioned *roided up* and played great LB for us. Sure he was a complete asshole, but those are the breaks. If we got a team based on "niceness" made up completely of nice guys, we would probably go 2-14 (we'd still smack around the faders).

Bottom line: if Willis can help us win, then we should get him. If not, pass. I would pass.

Slap, why do you promote getting a guy who has now failed 3 drug tests, has not played a full season since 2003, and struggled in the CFL? He has talent, but how long would he play (and at what level) before he got suspended (or hurt) again?

[-Slap-]

I haven't really been able to enjoy Utah very much. I flew there in 1992 for an ACL repair and I drove through there on the way to Colorado without stopping.

[Tredici]

I've never noticed any sulfur smell in Utah. Or the Lake. Even the crude oil refined there is wax, but low sulfur content. But one time in a campground outside of New Orleans I couldn't even take a shower because of the smell of the water. I'm pretty sure I would've smelled worse when I was done. How people could brush their teeth with that stuff was completely beyond me. There is a reason to pay for a bottle of water!

[-Slap-]

Slap, why do you promote getting a guy who has now failed 3 drug tests, has not played a full season since 2003, and struggled in the CFL? He has talent, but how long would he play (and at what level) before he got suspended (or hurt) again?

I think he could return tremendous value in return for a day two pick. I care less about what Ricky did up in Canada than he cared, which was very little. I think the last drug test was pretty shady, which makes me wonder if maybe the League would rather he just go away, him not being an upstanding role model like Michael Irvin or Shawn Merriman. If he gets another chance, in the right situation, I think he'll have something to prove.

We need to concentrate our focus on several areas of need this off season and if we can get by for one year with Ricky for minimal cost, why not roll the dice?

[dbroncos31]

I get that, but putting our RB hope in a guy who has tested positive three times (and has drawm the ire of the mighty NFL) seems too risky to me. I don't know though, because any of our other options could be too and they'd cost more. I see your thinking, and I agree that he has tremendous talent and could be gotten for almost nothing, but to me there's just too much baggage.

[Tredici]

Does Ricky keep it in his baggage? Coming to Denver would mean he'd have to switch to a backpack....

[-Slap-]

Does Ricky keep it in his baggage? Coming to Denver would mean he'd have to switch to a backpack....

I don't even know what you're talking about, man.

:peace:

[Tredici]

I don't even know what you're talking about, man.

:peace:

Maybe you can carry Ricky's bags through airport security. Just to be helpful, and all.

[Jens1893]

What happens if Ricky tests positive once more? Life time ban?

Out of the available RBs (Ahman Green, Chris Brown, possibly Jamal Lewis and Buckhalter) Ricky by far has the biggest upside. We usually waste our second day picks anyway, so why not waste them on a guy that´s at least proven he can play on Pro Bowl level? Having said that, I wouldn´t want to put all my chips on him.

[RhymesayersDU]

Does Ricky keep it in his baggage? Coming to Denver would mean he'd have to switch to a backpack....

His friend's backpack, Tred... His friend's!

But anywho, as people can see in my sig as it pertains to off the field issues. Don't much matter to me.

But I don't know about paying him a whole bunch of money, at least not now. I don't know anything about our cap situation, but I'd much rather take my chances with the Bells while signing/trading for/drafting guys for the OLine and Dline, as well as other positions.

[Jens1893]

Rhymes, Spawn are releasing a Nuggets AI figure in their new NBA Series.

http://www.spawn.com/toys/basketball/nba12/aiverson2/images/nba12_aiverson2_photo_01_dp.jpg

[RhymesayersDU]

I've never been one for figures, but I might have to get that.

And while we're derailing this thread, Adidas or Reebok or whoever does the jerseys needs to crank up their sweatshops and get mass AI jerseys working. I was in Denver this past weekend, nobody has them. Not the mall, not Pepsi center, nobody. I was saddened.

[Florida_Bronco]

Didn't McGahee also admit that he half-assed it in his last college game for fear of getting hurt and ruining his draft status?

[SoCalBronco]

Didn't McGahee also admit that he half-assed it in his last college game for fear of getting hurt and ruining his draft status?

Yes

[AboveAverage]

Damn, McGahee is pulling a Derrick Thomas and trying to plant his seed in every female he lays eyes on.

[Atlas]

What happens if Ricky tests positive once more? Life time ban?

Out of the available RBs (Ahman Green, Chris Brown, possibly Jamal Lewis and Buckhalter) Ricky by far has the biggest upside. We usually waste our second day picks anyway, so why not waste them on a guy that´s at least proven he can play on Pro Bowl level? Having said that, I wouldn´t want to put all my chips on him.

Ricky Williams is on the right hand side of 30, he hasn't played in 2 years and you think he has the most upside??

I suppose Brown or Buckhalter have the most upside because they haven't hit their prime yet while the other guys you mentioned are all slowing down.

I wouldn't touch Jamal Lewis, Green might be an interesting option depending on his price.

[Jens1893]

Ricky Williams is on the rights hnd side of 30, he hasn't played in 2 years and you think he has the most upside??

I suppose Brown or Buckhalter have the most upside because they haven't hit their prime yet while the other guys you mentioned are all slowing down.

I wouldn't touch Jamal Lewis, Green might be an interesting option depending on his price.

Buckhalter and Brown are injuries waiting to happen and Ricky is only one year older than Buckhalter.

Ricky will be 30 by the time the season starts, but as he missed 2 seasons and split carries with Ronnie Brown in 05 he doesn´t have as much mileage on his legs than other RBs his age.

Ahman Green´s injury history scares me off. He missed games due to injury in 4 of the 5 past seasons.

Buckhalter, Green, Ricky Williams, Chris Brown and possibly Jamal Lewis are the only guys on the FA market and while I´m not thrilled with either of these options, Ricky sounds like the one that could bring the highest reward. I´m still all for addressing RB in the Draft, but if we don´t these are our options.

[maven]

If McGahee can help us win a Lombardi, then we need to get him. Shanhan is not running this team to have "good character." Like Dom said, I don't watch the Broncos because they are nice guys. I want them to win. ?

Quoted for truth.

I'll take Shawn Merriman on my team if it helps the Broncos win the SB.

[maven]

Ricky Williams is on the right hand side of 30, he hasn't played in 2 years and you think he has the most upside??

I suppose Brown or Buckhalter have the most upside because they haven't hit their prime yet while the other guys you mentioned are all slowing down.

I wouldn't touch Jamal Lewis, Green might be an interesting option depending on his price.


wtf has Brown or buckhalter accomplished? That's right, not a damn thing. Green is done. WTF would a guy like him give Denver?

Ricky has been out of the league only one season. Just because he plays in Canada doesn't mean the NFL is not drug testing him. So far he has come up clean. With the way Shanny throws away 2nd day picks, why not pick up Ricky for a 5th? Bring him in. He's an upgrade over both bells, cobbs, and nash. You win the superbowl with talent. The broncos can use an upgrade at the RB position. There's no debate. Bring him in if possible.

[Hogan11]

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about with the smell. I have never smelled the Great Salt Lake.

But speaking of smells - I remember reading somewhere that Niagara Falls, NY is the most polluted city in America. I have never smelled anything like it. Niagara Falls is one of the most incredible things I have ever seen - once I got past the smell coming off the Niagara River. But that wasn't so bad, after I found out about all the radioactive waste that's been dumped in that part of the country. I kept checking myself the whole time I was up there, making sure I wasn't sprouting a third nipple anywhere.

Seriously, Hogan - there's an irony to you talking about the smell of the Great Salt Lake while you're living right by the stinkiest place in the country.

Besides your obivous Love Canal cheap shot, I have no idea of what you're talking about. I've never detected any odor around the Falls at all.

As for the smell of that Lake, keep in mind that it was 1988, a year of severe drought....the Lake was shrunk about 1/4 of it's normal size, thus intensifying it's odor...I'll admit that, but that doesn't earn it a pass at all. I remember going to Yellowstone right after that and seeing Old Faithful....the thing blew and it was cool and all, till that smell hit me once again...it was the same exact thing. :(

[fontaine]

McGahee can go play in Toronto, for the CFL.

Screw him. There are PLENTY of high caliber guys in the draft that would give their left nut to play in Denver as a RB.

I don't know how McGahee's OL feels about blocking for a prick that would rather be out of Buffalo but I'd rather not take that chance with our OL.

[toad]

Perhaps the posters who ignorantly slandered him on this thread will retract their comments now.

Probably not.

I have no comments to retract - what I stated is factual.

My post wasn't intended to "slander" Rod...heck, Rod's my favorite Bronco of all-time.

Nor was my post wasn't intended to compare Rod's character to McGahee's. We all know what Rod does for the community and what a class individual he is on and off the field.

I was just stating the fact that one of the things people were cruxifying McGahee for our very own Rod Smith is guilty of (to some degree). Rod's obviously handled his situation better than McGahee's (according to an ESPN The Magazine article last year I believe Rod has relationships with his kids regardless of the mother situation), but it has to be said that he's made that same mistake.

[-Slap-]

I still don't see the similarity between a man who lived with his children (like Rod) and a guy who has to be dragged into court to even acknowledge his financial responsibility to his offspring (like McGahee).

[toad]

I still don't see the similarity between a man who lived with his children (like Rod) and a guy who has to be dragged into court to even acknowledge his financial responsibility to his offspring (like McGahee).

Again, and maybe I should have clarified in my first post, I'm not comparing the character of Rod and McGahee. I think anyone with any knowledge of the NFL and its players would agree Rod is among the top in terms of character.

I was simply stating that, somewhat like McGahee, Rod has 3 children by 2 or 3 different women.

This was in an ESPN The Magazine article about Rod and his house-building ventures last year. Interesting, in the next issue several people had written and said they were suprised that Rod has found himself in that situation and one even specifically said they were "disappointed" to learn that about Rod given his otherwise classy persona.

I don't know Rod's situation but, big-picture, I think its safe to say most people who have mulitple kids with multiple partners are guilty of some poor decisions (not using proper protection, poor choices of partners, poor partner role on their own part, etc).

So we shouldn't view our own players with complete rosey glasses while trashing another for simliar situations.

Again, as my disclaimer, I don't know Rod's specific situation and he is my all-time favorite Bronco player. That doesn't necessarily mean I have to agree with all his decisions.

[Rock Chalk]

I haven't really been able to enjoy Utah very much. I flew there in 1992 for an ACL repair and I drove through there on the way to Colorado without stopping.

I went to a concert in SLC at this place right by the Salt Lake and I gotta tell you, worst experience ever.

But then, later that week, we went up into the mountains and it was pretty damn wonderful out there.

[Tredici]

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Again, as my disclaimer, I don't know Rod's specific situation and he is my all-time favorite Bronco player. That doesn't necessarily mean I have to agree with all his decisions.


I think you should've stopped there.

[Tredici]

Besides your obivous Love Canal cheap shot, I have no idea of what you're talking about. I've never detected any odor around the Falls at all.

As for the smell of that Lake, keep in mind that it was 1988, a year of severe drought....the Lake was shrunk about 1/4 of it's normal size, thus intensifying it's odor...I'll admit that, but that doesn't earn it a pass at all. I remember going to Yellowstone right after that and seeing Old Faithful....the thing blew and it was cool and all, till that smell hit me once again...it was the same exact thing. :(

Chemistry of the Great Salt Lake

(This has been abbreviated).

During winter (prior to record lake levels), mirabilite (sodium-sulfate compound) precipitates out in the North Arm. As water warms, layer of mirabilite goes back into solution and forms sulfur-rich layer near bottom that persists and may flow into South Arm

During summer, sodium chloride precipitates on floor and will remain on floor until salinity decreases significantly

Strong wind storms may cause hydrogen-sulfide rich bottom layers to be mixed to surface and contribute to "Lake Stink" as well as expose decomposing sulfur-rich mud flats.


Seems logical the drought conditions you describe could cause the same type of problem. But, in all fairness, I think it does take some circumstances occurring to produce the Lake Stink. It isn't a constant state. And it might also be an odor you are sensitive to. Old Faithful always smells but most underground springs have all sorts of chemicals churning away.

Did you notice the sulfur smell to the potable water in New Orleans? Wait a minute, did you just stick to beer??!

[Old Dude]

In defense of Willis, what else is there to do in Buffalo?

[Tredici]

In defense of Willis, what else is there to do in Buffalo?


Ha. I thought that same thing when he whined about that in the article. I mean, guys just wanna have fun...

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I was going to insult Buffalo and talk about all of the snow they get, then I looked out the window ......

[Old Dude]

I was going to insult Salt Lake, but then I realized that DomCasual likes it, so it must be a swinging place.

Because he has those pictures of me in the ballerina outfit with a noose around my neck.

[DomCasual]

I went to a concert in SLC at this place right by the Salt Lake and I gotta tell you, worst experience ever.

But then, later that week, we went up into the mountains and it was pretty damn wonderful out there.

I think you're talking about Salt Air. The only concert I've seen there was the Cranberries several years ago. It had the feel of a big warehouse to me - I wasn't impressed.

And don't get me wrong. I am not a Utah apologist, by any means. I live here reluctantly because it is where my wife wants to live to be close to her family (and my kids' 40 cousins!). But there are some unfair characterizations of the state about which I grow tired. If you're a partier, there are obviously better places you can be. But it isn't like there's not alcohol here. And I think most people would find the night life - especially in places like Park City and Sundance - to be quite accommodating.

If you're into the outdoors, there aren't many better places in America. The mountains are incredible, although I still prefer the ones in Colorado. There just aren't enough trees on the ones here, and I like trees. It's a great place to raise a family - there are, of course, challenges that are unique to the state. But, generally speaking, there aren't as many distractions for kids here as there are in some other big cities.

All that being said, I'd still live back in the Denver area if I could do it and stay married.

[DomCasual]

I was going to insult Salt Lake, but then I realized that DomCasual likes it, so it must be a swinging place.

Because he has those pictures of me in the ballerina outfit with a noose around my neck.

Don't forget the ball gag. The ball gag was a particularly disturbing touch.

[Old Dude]

The things I do for love ...

[alkemical]

*closes door on thread*

[DBroncos4life]

wtf has Brown or buckhalter accomplished? That's right, not a damn thing. Green is done. WTF would a guy like him give Denver?

Ricky has been out of the league only one season. Just because he plays in Canada doesn't mean the NFL is not drug testing him. So far he has come up clean. With the way Shanny throws away 2nd day picks, why not pick up Ricky for a 5th? Bring him in. He's an upgrade over both bells, cobbs, and nash. You win the superbowl with talent. The broncos can use an upgrade at the RB position. There's no debate. Bring him in if possible.

Green is done? He had 1400 total yards and 6 total TDs after a injury where it takes more then one year to really get back to form.

[DomCasual]

Chemistry of the Great Salt Lake

(This has been abbreviated).

During winter (prior to record lake levels), mirabilite (sodium-sulfate compound) precipitates out in the North Arm. As water warms, layer of mirabilite goes back into solution and forms sulfur-rich layer near bottom that persists and may flow into South Arm

During summer, sodium chloride precipitates on floor and will remain on floor until salinity decreases significantly

Strong wind storms may cause hydrogen-sulfide rich bottom layers to be mixed to surface and contribute to "Lake Stink" as well as expose decomposing sulfur-rich mud flats.


Seems logical the drought conditions you describe could cause the same type of problem. But, in all fairness, I think it does take some circumstances occurring to produce the Lake Stink. It isn't a constant state. And it might also be an odor you are sensitive to. Old Faithful always smells but most underground springs have all sorts of chemicals churning away.

Did you notice the sulfur smell to the potable water in New Orleans? Wait a minute, did you just stick to beer??!

Thanks for that, Cliff Clavin. :)

[-Slap-]

In defense of Willis, what else is there to do in Buffalo?

Pretty soon, the question for Willis will be who else is there to do in Buffalo.

[alkemical]

Pretty soon, the question for Willis will be who else is there to do in Buffalo.

lol

[azbroncfan]

For some people maybe...but I couldn't escape the smell of that friggin' lake making me ill from border to border and since I don't ski, looking at that supposed beauty through a haze of constant nausea tended to jade my view on the place. That's not to mention the law of the land, etc. etc.

I couldn't handle the intense sulfer smell at all....the AC in my hotel room couldn't even kill it. As a result, I do have the distinction of throwing up on both the edge of that lake and the steps of the Tabernackle whilst the Chior was doing it's thing all in the same day in 1988.....congradulate me!

I'll never, ever set foot in that godawful state ever again.

So basically you are saying you have only been in salt lake? People get soo caught up thinking it sucks just because of the religious crap. It is annoying but there is more to do in utah than most states as far as outdoor activities go. I personally prefer wyoming or montana but I need to make a living. Drinking issues aren't that big of a deal you learn to adapt.

[alkemical]

I drove through Utah before - much better than KS. Although i wonder if the sunrises/sunsets in the KS sky is aiken to how a fish sees it through the water in the Ocean - endless...

[Old Dude]

OldDudetheYounger once had to cross the State of KS three times in one day. He's been a little messed up in the head ever since.

[Hogan11]

So basically you are saying you have only been in salt lake? People get soo caught up thinking it sucks just because of the religious crap. It is annoying but there is more to do in utah than most states as far as outdoor activities go. I personally prefer wyoming or montana but I need to make a living. Drinking issues aren't that big of a deal you learn to adapt.

Nope, I entered the state from the south (coming from essentially Vegas) and had a harrowing drive north, basically cutting the state in two. The closer I got to SLC, the worse the odor got. Maybe Tred's scientific breakdown is right about all that, who knows? All I know is that the sulfer odor makes me sick to my stomach....so it wasn't the best place on Earth for me to be.

[Hogan11]

Did you notice the sulfur smell to the potable water in New Orleans? Wait a minute, did you just stick to beer??!

Mainly stuck to beer, but no (and I think Sassy can back me up on this) there was no sulfer smell to the water in NOLA in 2004 (after Katrina, who knows?). The time I lived there briefly back in the early 90's, I never noticed it either....and believe me, I would've in a heartbeat.

You did say you were in a camping area though outside the city right? Maybe NOLA had some kind of water filtration system thing going on or something because I noticed sulfer water in the Carolinas/Georgia in the rural areas but not in the metropolitan ones.

[DomCasual]

Nope, I entered the state from the south (coming from essentially Vegas) and had a harrowing drive north, basically cutting the state in two. The closer I got to SLC, the worse the odor got. Maybe Tred's scientific breakdown is right about all that, who knows? All I know is that the sulfer odor makes me sick to my stomach....so it wasn't the best place on Earth for me to be.

Oh yeah? Well I think YOU stink, Hogan. Yeah, you smell like - oh, I don't know - poop, maybe! Yeah, you stink like poop! You stinky bastard!

I've actually LIVED both places, and Utah is far less stinky than Buffalo. On the stink scale, Utah is hovering at about a 4, while Buffalo is right in there at 7.6. It's a very scientific system, too.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

OldDudetheYounger once had to cross the State of KS three times in one day. He's been a little messed up in the head ever since.

Is that why he wanted to burn down your homestead cooking that turkey on Thanksgiving?

[Old Dude]

Is that why he wanted to burn down your homestead cooking that turkey on Thanksgiving?

No. You're getting Old Dude Jr. confused with OldDudetheYounger.

[Hogan11]

Oh yeah? Well I think YOU stink, Hogan. Yeah, you smell like - oh, I don't know - poop, maybe! Yeah, you stink like poop! You stinky bastard!

Anyone who's met me can tell you my shiat don't stink Ha!

I've actually LIVED both places, and Utah is far less stinky than Buffalo. On the stink scale, Utah is hovering at about a 4, while Buffalo is right in there at 7.6. It's a very scientific system, too.

Well I applaud you for living somewhere where I never could...but that doesn't change the fact that I've never smelt the odor of which you speak in the Buffalo/Niagara Falls area. I'd admit it if I did because it's not like I have any real love for the area or anything.

[alkemical]

OldDudetheYounger once had to cross the State of KS three times in one day. He's been a little messed up in the head ever since.

I soooo know what you mean. I did it twice in one day and i thought i went insane.