After 8 games, who has been the biggest goat of the postseason?

[Breck Bronc]

There have been some great games so far in the playoffs, but there's also been a whole lotta chokin' goin on:

- Tony Romo - Dropped hold after a perfect snap on field goal that would have given Dallas the lead with barely 1 minute left

- Terrell Owens - A non-factor facing a rookie cornerback and a just-signed-off-the-street cornerback. 2 catches for 26 yards and even more drops for the league leader in that category

- Terry Glenn - Fumble with less than 7 minutes left in the game at goal line led to a safety and eventual game winning touchdown for Seattle.

- Peyton Manning - 1 touchdown and 5 interceptions for the noted playoff choker, yet his team might now be the Super Bowl favorite due to their defense, Adam Vinatieri, and San Diego's own choke

- Marlon McCree - Knock the ball down, stupid! Made one of the dumbest mistakes in NFL playoff history by intercepting and fumbling ball on 4th down instead of simply swatting it away. His team had an 8 point lead with just over 6 minutes left and probably would have won the game had he played it smart

- Drayton Florence -Another of the Chargers' vaunted MENSA secondary, Florence took an undisciplined and selfish penalty by head butting Dan Graham after getting blown up by the former Buff. New England went from what would have been 4th and 21 from the SD 37 to 1st and 10 from the SD 18 after Florence‘s dumb penalty. Stephen Gostkowski goes from a 54-yard field goal (if Belichick even went for it) to an easy 34-yard kick. Florence was also beat on New England's game-tying touchdown

- Eric Parker - Dropped a few very catchable passes and in the 3rd quarter muffed a punt. Parker failed to fall on the ball when it was right in front of him with enough time to safely tuck it away. New England finally recovered and went on to kick a field goal (with a little help from Parker's friend Drayton Florence). This was the first in a domino of events that eventually ended the Chargers season.

- Phillip Rivers - Didn't get much help from his WR's, but Rivers looked shaky all game and made an absolutely awful throw to LaDainian Tomlinson that was intercepted by Roosevelt Colvin. Rivers didn't run a very efficient 2-minute drill, but he would have been helped on that final drive if not for...

- Marty Schottenheimer - Cost his team an all important timeout by challenging a play that was obviously not going to be overturned. Also, his team made mistake after mistake in the second half. A well coached team doesn't make mental errors in a close game. Bill Bilichick's team doesn't make those mistakes and that's why he's won 3 Super Bowls with a good chance at a fourth and Schottenheimer hasn‘t even coached in a Super Bowl.

- Shawne Merriman - 2 tackles and 1 sack for the fraudulent NFL Defensive Player of the Year candidate. Merriman was a steroid-fueled invisible man for most of the game. The popcorn he sent Jason Taylor for winning DPOY and watching the playoffs must taste real good to Taylor right about now. Have fun watching the rest of the playoffs yourself, Lights Off!

[SoCalBronco]

Good candidates but the Chiefs offense as a group has to be up there too.

[Clockwork Orange]

I have to go with Owens. T.O.D. was supposed to be the one who could put a team over the top, at least according to the people who wanted the Broncos to sign him. He was a complete non-factor in the Cowboys playoff loss to Seattle, against a secondary that had just signed a guy who was working as a loan officer the week before.

[Breck Bronc]

Good candidates but the Chiefs offense as a group has to be up there too.Yeah, I should have included them and Steve McNair.

[Odysseus]

How does Terrell Owens rate the coverage that he rates and doesn't win this hands down? What a pimple on Tony Romo's season.

[-Slap-]

Great thread. So many worthy candidates. You can make a real strong case for Manning and if he has his typical New England playoff game next week, he'll walk away with the award again.

As for right now, I have to pick Drayton Florence. That was the dumbest and most selfish penalty I've seen in years.

[epicSocialism4tw]

- Shawne Merriman - 2 tackles and 1 sack for the fraudulent NFL Defensive Player of the Year candidate. Merriman was a steroid-fueled invisible man for most of the game. The popcorn he sent Jason Taylor for winning DPOY and watching the playoffs must taste real good to Taylor right about now. Have fun watching the rest of the playoffs yourself, Lights Off!


Funny stuff. :thumbsup:

[Sir Mawn]

I voted Shottenheimer although it's more of a career accomplishment vote.

[ol number 7]

Funny stuff. :thumbsup:

McCree gets it !! What a dope. Know the situation. If he just knocks it down
sd takes over in better field position. Whatta Dope !!!

[Orange_Beard]

Parker.

[Paladin]

The head butter, Florence. Man, that was just plain stupid.

[Rock Chalk]

I have to go with Owens. T.O.D. was supposed to be the one who could put a team over the top, at least according to the people who wanted the Broncos to sign him. He was a complete non-factor in the Cowboys playoff loss to Seattle, against a secondary that had just signed a guy who was working as a loan officer the week before.

Im the biggest Owens basher of them all but there is no way in hell he is the bigger goat in Dallas over Romo for the PLAYOFFS.

[Rock Chalk]

Itys not fair to single any one player out at the Chargers game. Because about 15 players make the list individually.

[Clockwork Orange]

Im the biggest Owens basher of them all but there is no way in hell he is the bigger goat in Dallas over Romo for the PLAYOFFS.

2 catches for 26 yards from the guy who was supposedly the best WR in football going against the Seahawks patchwork secondary. If he goes out and earns the fat paychecks he bitched his way out of Philly to get, that game never comes down to that kick.

[Rock Chalk]

2 catches for 26 yards from the guy who was supposedly the best WR in football going against the Seahawks patchwork secondary. If he goes out and earns the fat paychecks he b****ed his way out of Philly to get, that game never comes down to that kick.

If Romo gets him the ball...Romo has not played well the last three or four games. The fact that he is in the pro-bowl having only played like 6 games at the time of voting is a ****ing joke.

I greatly dislike Owens, but he led the league in TD catches (yes, drops too) and he made Romo look better than he is.

Whether or not Owens could have gotten them in a position to win where that kick dont matter, is irrelevant. The kick DID matter and its automatic for 99.999% of the time and Romo flubbed it all by himself.

Ask yourself this, if Javon had 2 catches for 26 yards and Plummer flubbed the FG attempt that would win the game, who would be the goat? (I only use Plummer because Cutler is a rookie and apparently he gets some kind of bogus Rookie excuse for every **** up of his)

[broncogary]

If Romo gets him the ball...Romo has not played well the last three or four games. The fact that he is in the pro-bowl having only played like 6 games at the time of voting is a ****ing joke.

I greatly dislike Owens, but he led the league in TD catches (yes, drops too) and he made Romo look better than he is.

Whether or not Owens could have gotten them in a position to win where that kick dont matter, is irrelevant. The kick DID matter and its automatic for 99.999% of the time and Romo flubbed it all by himself.

Ask yourself this, if Javon had 2 catches for 26 yards and Plummer flubbed the FG attempt that would win the game, who would be the goat? (I only use Plummer because Cutler is a rookie and apparently he gets some kind of bogus Rookie excuse for every **** up of his)

You're in a pretty feisty mood tonight, Alec! :welcome:

[Rock Chalk]

You're in a pretty feisty mood tonight, Alec! :welcome:

Im kinda sick :(

Kinda sick enough to know Im calling in sick tomorrow.

[-Slap-]

Im kinda sick :(

Kinda sick enough to know Im calling in sick tomorrow.

I'll think positive thoughts about you as I enjoy my paid holiday.

:wave:

[Sassy]

Im kinda sick :(

Kinda sick enough to know Im calling in sick tomorrow.

Feel better Alec!

[epicSocialism4tw]

If Romo gets him the ball...Romo has not played well the last three or four games. The fact that he is in the pro-bowl having only played like 6 games at the time of voting is a ****ing joke.

I greatly dislike Owens, but he led the league in TD catches (yes, drops too) and he made Romo look better than he is.

Whether or not Owens could have gotten them in a position to win where that kick dont matter, is irrelevant. The kick DID matter and its automatic for 99.999% of the time and Romo flubbed it all by himself.

Ask yourself this, if Javon had 2 catches for 26 yards and Plummer flubbed the FG attempt that would win the game, who would be the goat? (I only use Plummer because Cutler is a rookie and apparently he gets some kind of bogus Rookie excuse for every **** up of his)


Truth after truth.

[BABronco]

Voted payton just cause i hate the guy

[Clockwork Orange]

If Romo gets him the ball...Romo has not played well the last three or four games. The fact that he is in the pro-bowl having only played like 6 games at the time of voting is a ****ing joke.

I greatly dislike Owens, but he led the league in TD catches (yes, drops too) and he made Romo look better than he is.

Whether or not Owens could have gotten them in a position to win where that kick dont matter, is irrelevant. The kick DID matter and its automatic for 99.999% of the time and Romo flubbed it all by himself.

Ask yourself this, if Javon had 2 catches for 26 yards and Plummer flubbed the FG attempt that would win the game, who would be the goat? (I only use Plummer because Cutler is a rookie and apparently he gets some kind of bogus Rookie excuse for every **** up of his)

Actually, Owens' regular season stats are irrelevant, both good and bad. This is about the playoffs, the one playoff game they participated in.

As his former publicist might say, "He has 25 million reasons to catch more than 2 passes for 26 yards in a playoff game." After everyone lauded the praise on him for his "heroic" performance in the Super Bowl a couple years back, he turned around and pulled a vanishing act in his first postseason game since that would make Trevor Pryce wince.

Romo was the beneficiary of a ton of media hype, but Owens was supposedly the playmaker who was going to be the difference between being a championship team and being an also ran. He failed miserably in that regard.

[Odysseus]

Im the biggest Owens basher of them all but there is no way in hell he is the bigger goat in Dallas over Romo for the PLAYOFFS.

Romo IS probably a bigger goat than Owens but Owens, because he's more irratating still gets my vote.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Romo IS probably a bigger goat than Owens but Owens, because he's more irratating still gets my vote.


Well, you were supposed to be voting for who was the biggest goat, not who was the most annoying, no?

Owens would win "most annoying" every time.

[Blueflame]

With 13 rushes for a whopping 32 yards, my vote for "biggest choker of the postseason" would go to LJ.

[Kaylore]

Im kinda sick :(

Kinda sick enough to know Im calling in sick tomorrow.

I get the same way when I'm ill. I tend to take it out on the mane.

[boltaneer]

Romo for sure.

Where's the choice for Andy Reid? Was there a stupider decision to punt with less than two minutes and only two times outs, hinging all your hopes on a three and out when your defense proved on the previous drive that they could not stop the run at all.

[broncocalijohn]

Hold a freaking football, that is it. Romo by far. I cant believe so many are voting for Marty. That game was lost by bonehead plays on the field not plays brought in by the coach.

[loborugger]

After next week, I imagine we will have a new list of follies to add to Paidaton's resume for this less than illustrious offseason that will put him over the top.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Romo defeated the clear favorite Shotty. Marty did his best for the prize but couldnt equal that performance.

[Taco John]

I don't know how anyone but Romo even gets a vote. There's been no bigger goat.

[Jason in LA]

I voted Romo, but I don't think Marty was the goat, even though he's taking the blame for it. People are forgetting that Rivers only completed 14 out of 32 passes, threw a pick and fumbled the ball. I haven't heard many people calling him out. Rivers should be happy that Marty is his coach. Because nobody will blame him, and they will all blame Marty.

[Spider]

Brian Griese ............ hands down

[Jason in LA]

I don't know how anyone but Romo even gets a vote. There's been no bigger goat.

I totally agree. We can look at certain plays and say that they were costly. But it's hard to point to one single play and say that if that play went the other way the game would have went the other way.

In the Chargers/Pats game a lot of people talk about the play where Troy Brown stripped the ball. That was a big play. But if that Charger player holds on to that ball, they still may have lost. Who knows what would have happened? There was so much time on the clock. Rivers may have given the ball right back to the Pats, or they may have gone three and out and the Pats still may have scored.

But in Romo's case, if that one play went the other way they win the game. If he simply catches the ball that was hiked perfectly to him, they win the game.

Rome is the goat on the list. It's not even close. Other players should get some consideration, but I wouldn't put any of them close to Romo.

[Breck Bronc]

I totally agree. We can look at certain plays and say that they were costly. But it's hard to point to one single play and say that if that play went the other way the game would have went the other way.

In the Chargers/Pats game a lot of people talk about the play where Troy Brown stripped the ball. That was a big play. But if that Charger player holds on to that ball, they still may have lost. Who knows what would have happened? There was so much time on the clock. Rivers may have given the ball right back to the Pats, or they may have gone three and out and the Pats still may have scored.

But in Romo's case, if that one play went the other way they win the game. If he simply catches the ball that was hiked perfectly to him, they win the game.

Rome is the goat on the list. It's not even close. Other players should get some consideration, but I wouldn't put any of them close to Romo.Even if Romo held on and Grammatica made the kick it wouldn't have ended the game. There was still 1:19 left on the clock after the Romo gaffe, plenty of time for Seattle to drive down the field and kick their own game-winning field goal. The Seahawks were probably the best team in the league this year at running the 2-minute drill; Josh Brown had 4 game-winning kicks on the last play of the game (including one in Denver).

Also, Dallas still had all 3 timeouts after Romo's drop and had Seattle pinned at their own 2-yard line. Had the Cowboy defense held Seattle to a 3-and-out they probably win that game. Instead they let Alexander run for a first down on Seattle's first play, but the Cowboys still got the ball back with a chance at a hail mary.

I think Marlon McCree was a bigger goat because his mistake was mental. All defensive players should know (and be taught) that you don't intercept a pass on fourth down unless it's a guaranteed pick six. If you knock the ball down you'll usually get better field position on the change of possesion and have 0% chance of fumbling. Romo just dropped the ball at the worst possible time. If Romo dropped the ball with 1 second left on the clock, then yes, I'd probably say he was the worst offender.

[NaptownChief]

Great thread. So many worthy candidates. You can make a real strong case for Manning and if he has his typical New England playoff game next week, he'll walk away with the award again.

As for right now, I have to pick Drayton Florence. That was the dumbest and most selfish penalty I've seen in years.


I would give it to McNabb...he didn't show up again when his team needed him. ;D

[broncofan2438]

Ummmm i would have to go with the ENTIRE Chargers team, they all blew it! And right behind them are their fans

[Inkana7]

Steroid Merriman. 2 Tackles, and a 1/2 yard loss sack where he simply caught up to a scrambling Tom Brady. Oh, but he had a pressure in the 1st quarter, good for him.

Looks like those roids he took before the season are beginning to wear off.

[Bronx33]

Merriman is nothing without the roids...

[NYBronco]

Ummmm i would have to go with the ENTIRE Chargers team, they all blew it! And right behind them are their fans

My thoughts also being the AFC's #1 seed along with the #2 seed... Baltimore Ravens. I love it...

[Finger Roll]

Great thread. So many worthy candidates. You can make a real strong case for Manning and if he has his typical New England playoff game next week, he'll walk away with the award again.

As for right now, I have to pick Drayton Florence. That was the dumbest and most selfish penalty I've seen in years.

I agree. It looked like his teamates wanted to kill him.

[ludo21]

Romo.....easyyy......choice

[BroncoBuff]

I voted Romo ... but if you had you included 3-INT Steve McNair on the list, I might've been tempted.

With a defense like the Ravens, their QB should take absolutely NO chances ... but that INT at the goal-line - forcing it to Heap? Unthinkable and unforgiveable for a veteran. You trust your defense.

If Dilfer could do it, McNair should be able to as well.

[-Slap-]

I would give it to McNabb...he didn't show up again when his team needed him. ;D

Oh man, after the way Peyton has screwed the pooch this post season, I expected you to be as quiet as a church mouse.

Ironically, his 1/5 touchdown to interception ratio so far this playoffs mirrors his TD/Int ratio against NE in the post season.

[NaptownChief]

Oh man, after the way Peyton has screwed the pooch this post season, I expected you to be as quiet as a church mouse.

Ironically, his 1/5 touchdown to interception ratio so far this playoffs mirrors his TD/Int ratio against NE in the post season.



He is "just winning games". ;D



Maybe McNabb is the ultimate team player. Maybe he knew the only chance of them making it to the playoffs would be if he got hurt. Now there is a guy who is willing to fall on the sword for the betterment of his team.