The Art of Choking - by Marty Schottenheimer [Archive] - The Orange Mane

Jens1893

01-14-2007, 08:59 PM

1985 Cleveland #3 seed - AFC Divisional Playoff: lost 21 - 24 at #2 Miami Dolphins
1986 Cleveland #1 seed - AFC Championship Game: lost 20 - 23 vs. #2 Denver Broncos
1987 Cleveland #2 seed - AFC Championship Game: lost 33 - 38 at #1 Denver Broncos
1988 Cleveland #4 seed - AFC Wildcard Game: lost 23 - 24 vs. #5 Houston Oilers
1990 Kansas City #5 seed - AFC Wildcard Game: lost 16 - 17 at #4 Miami Dolphins
1991 Kansas City #4 seed - AFC Divisional Playoff: lost 14 - 37 at #1 Buffalo Bills
1992 Kansas City #6 seed - AFC Wildcard Game: lost 0 - 17 at #3 San Diego Chargers
1993 Kansas City #3 seed - AFC Championship Game: lost 13 - 30 at #1 Buffalo Bills
1994 Kansas City #6 seed - AFC Wildcard Game: lost 17 - 27 at #3 Miami Dolphins
1995 Kansas City #1 seed - AFC Divisional Playoff: lost 7 - 10 vs. #5 Indianapolis Colts
1997 Kansas City #1 seed - AFC Divisional Playoff: lost 10 - 14 vs. #4 Denver Broncos
2004 San Diego #4 seed - AFC Wildcard Game: lost 17 - 20 vs. #5 New York Jets
2006 San Diego #1 seed - AFC Divisional Playoff: lost 21-24 vs. New England

ksBRONCOfan

01-14-2007, 09:01 PM

HaHa! That's great stuff!

Barry Ramey

01-14-2007, 09:18 PM

He's now had the #1 seed four times and still hasn't reached the Super Bowl and only made it to the conference championship game once while having that #1 seed and homefield advantage. Pathetic!

hades

01-14-2007, 09:23 PM

Even tho I don't like New England, I dislike Sandy Eggo even more. I was happy to see him loose again!

Go Saints!

Taco John

01-14-2007, 09:28 PM

Hard to blame Marty for what happened against the Pats...

orinjkrush

01-14-2007, 09:31 PM

am sorry for marty. he is good for pro football. no way the chuggers should have lost but they did themselves in. plenty of opportunities. many mistakes. and the pasties do know how to win. frickin bellichump.

Moon§hiner

01-14-2007, 09:39 PM

Hard to blame Marty for what happened against the Pats...

Quoted for truth...who was the bonehead that had the personal foul that would have been 4th down?....he blew that game more than any call that Marty did....(though I was calling him a fool for challenging that late turnover, that Time out would have been nice inside of 2 minutes)

Paladin

01-14-2007, 09:39 PM

I just think there is so much pressure on his teams to do well, they f*ck it up. He is an intense guy, and I think he sometimes loses the benefit of his assistants; either he doesn't listen of they give bad advice. I think he trusted his players a bit too much on challenging that fumble. But that is the sort of thing that ends up hurting his team.

A blitz and Brady, who was off target most of the day (see several short passes to Graham and Watson) throws a long one to Caldwell who was with SD last year. That was as much irony as anyone should have to take.

If Rivers gets a modicum of pressure, he panics. The tribulations of a young QB who will get better, but not on Marty's watch, I would guess. The curse of Schottenheimer......

To be truthful, he is a great guy, and lived in Denver selling Real Estate for a while and did some work for the Broncos. I never disliked Marty, just his teams.....

That One Guy

01-14-2007, 09:39 PM

Hard to blame Marty for what happened against the Pats...

I have to say the rediculous challenge could be blamed on him. Another TO might have helped. Also, a few plays could be questioned on that final drive. Don't know that he was in on play calling though.

Taco John

01-14-2007, 09:41 PM

I have to say the rediculous challenge could be blamed on him. Another TO might have helped. Also, a few plays could be questioned on that final drive. Don't know that he was in on play calling though.

If that's the worst mistake that people can dig up on Marty after this loss, he's doing quite alright...

400HZ

01-14-2007, 09:49 PM

If that's the worst mistake that people can dig up on Marty after this loss, he's doing quite alright...

He made one stupid challenge because one of his players screwed up. That's about the only tangible thing you can blame him for.

That One Guy

01-14-2007, 09:51 PM

It was more of "What a dipsh..." move than a he cost them the game move, good point.

Darkdoc

01-14-2007, 10:02 PM

He has some of the best players around, and yet couldn't make it past round one. Plus, look at the series of losses he has had - many with sad and distressing endings, loss after loss.

You can not say he doesn't play a major role, even though i would agree that it looked as though he didn't doing anything specific to lose the game tonight. He simply has to take responsibility. The evidence against him screams.

Would you want him to coach your team? Never, never, never.

Taco John

01-14-2007, 10:07 PM

He has some of the best players around, and yet couldn't make it past round one.

Actually, this is round two. Round one started last week. The Chargers didn't have to play that round because they had won 14 games this season, including the last ten in a row.

WoodMan

01-14-2007, 10:13 PM

Really? It wasn't Marty's fault so much as the most pathetic display of catching by wide recievers and punt muff I have ever witnessed.
San Diego Super Chokers! ROFL!

Bronx33

01-14-2007, 10:18 PM

He made one stupid challenge because one of his players screwed up. That's about the only tangible thing you can blame him for.

Can we blame him for going for it on 4 and 11 in the first quarter on the NE 30 where rivers fumbles and NE gets 3, had marty kicked the field goal instead of getting greedy the out come of this game may have be a bit different.

400HZ

01-14-2007, 10:21 PM

Can we blame him for going for it on 4 and 11 in the first quarter on the NE 30 where rivers fumbles and NE gets 3, had marty kicked the field goal instead of getting greedy the out come of this game may have be a bit different.

Hindsight is 20/20. It probably would have been a punt anyways. 51 yards or whatever against the wind isn't exactly a garenteed 3.

wyobronco

01-14-2007, 10:28 PM

Bronx33

01-14-2007, 10:29 PM

Hindsight is 20/20. It probably would have been a punt anyways. 51 yards or whatever against the wind isn't exactly a garenteed 3.

You were on the NE 30 not your own..

San Diego Chargers at 08:05
1-10-SD35 (8:05) L.Tomlinson left end pushed ob at 50 for 15 yards (A.Hawkins).
1-10-50 (7:38) P.Rivers pass incomplete deep left to V.Jackson.
2-10-50 (7:32) P.Rivers pass incomplete short middle to B.Manumaleuna.
3-10-50 (7:25) (Shotgun) P.Rivers pass short left to E.Parker to NE 29 for 21 yards (A.Hawkins).
1-10-NE29 (6:52) E.Parker right end to NE 36 for -7 yards (R.Colvin, T.Warren).
2-17-NE36 (6:07) L.Tomlinson up the middle to NE 30 for 6 yards (M.Vrabel, T.Bruschi).
3-11-NE30 (5:27) (Shotgun) P.Rivers pass incomplete deep middle to V.Jackson (E.Hobbs).
4-11-NE30 (5:21) (Shotgun) P.Rivers sacked at NE 35 for -5 yards (M.Vrabel). FUMBLES (M.Vrabel), RECOVERED by NE-T.Banta-Cain at NE 35. T.Banta-Cain to NE 35 for no gain (M.Goff).

rbackfactory80

01-14-2007, 10:30 PM

Nothing you can do when your players are scared when Brady and the Pats come to town.

Master___Pain

01-14-2007, 10:46 PM

Karma is a b**** aint it Charger fans? This serves all those a-holes that were in our faces as we left The Murph, quietly, right. I told them act like you've been there before and they were just saying how great they were and how the Superbowl was theirs. Humility goes a long ways. I was thrilled to see the Chuugers choke....so what about that guarantee now Roid boy?

hades

01-14-2007, 11:09 PM

I thought Marty was not going to wear a headset. Not sure at what point, but he had one on.

http://yellowstang.com/marty/choked.jpg

ol number 7

01-14-2007, 11:10 PM

Even tho I don't like New England, I dislike Sandy Eggo even more. I was happy to see him loose again!

Go Saints!

So it's ok if Fairyman does his " lights out" thing; but if the Patriots do it in celebration of turning the "lights out" on the Chuggers LT gets his feelings hurt. If your a man quit cryin and telling everybody how classy you are.
Class is one thing but being a 3 time Superbowl Champ is another.
Turn the "Lights Out" the parties over !!! Sing it Dandy Don.:welcome:

ol number 7

01-14-2007, 11:10 PM

footstepsfrom#27

01-14-2007, 11:14 PM

Ha Ha...who couldn't see this coming a mile away?...Mr. Choke vs. Mr. Clutch...I knew Marty would go down once again. The dude is just cursed plain and simple.

DarkHorse30

01-14-2007, 11:17 PM

....who was nearly as good at choking away high seeds. Like Shottenheimer, he was also very good at coaching a team TO the playoffs and then coaching them to a one and done in the playoffs.

HOF my ass, without his broadcast career he'd belong with Billick, who also backed his way into a championship.

Odysseus

01-14-2007, 11:22 PM

Hard to blame Marty for what happened against the Pats...

Marty doesn't deserve the full hit on this.

ol number 7

01-14-2007, 11:30 PM

Marty doesn't deserve the full hit on this.

Thought he was going to cry on NFL Channel !!! Why do his players take soo many undisciplined penalties? They beat themselves today. turn the "Lights Out". Maybe its too much 'roid rage.

theAPAOps5

01-14-2007, 11:34 PM

Man I am watching the recap on Sportscenter. What was San Diego thinking with all those stupid penalties! Man play their game and play diciplined and they could have won it. That INT turned fumble and 1st down was just crazy.

rodr88

01-14-2007, 11:37 PM

Marty's team always lets him down, but there is generally always a bonehead moment when Marty does something stupid that hurts his team. Starting Elvis in the divisional playoffs against the Broncos comes to mind.
200 wins, and not a Superbowl in sight.

TexanBob

01-14-2007, 11:44 PM

You can now ad "The Gost Through The Posts".

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

Sir Mawn

01-14-2007, 11:44 PM

Marty doesn't deserve the full hit on this.

NO he doesn't. Not the full one, that is. But you can't ignore that most of his teams end up being chokers. And the ones that aren't never even get there.

Something has to be going on. San Diego was playing scared.

Blart

01-14-2007, 11:44 PM

Incredibly bad luck. Poor marty. Except for when the Broncos beat him I mean.

dsmoot

01-14-2007, 11:56 PM

You were on the NE 30 not your own..

San Diego Chargers at 08:05
1-10-SD35 (8:05) L.Tomlinson left end pushed ob at 50 for 15 yards (A.Hawkins).
1-10-50 (7:38) P.Rivers pass incomplete deep left to V.Jackson.
2-10-50 (7:32) P.Rivers pass incomplete short middle to B.Manumaleuna.
3-10-50 (7:25) (Shotgun) P.Rivers pass short left to E.Parker to NE 29 for 21 yards (A.Hawkins).
1-10-NE29 (6:52) E.Parker right end to NE 36 for -7 yards (R.Colvin, T.Warren).
2-17-NE36 (6:07) L.Tomlinson up the middle to NE 30 for 6 yards (M.Vrabel, T.Bruschi).
3-11-NE30 (5:27) (Shotgun) P.Rivers pass incomplete deep middle to V.Jackson (E.Hobbs).
4-11-NE30 (5:21) (Shotgun) P.Rivers sacked at NE 35 for -5 yards (M.Vrabel). FUMBLES (M.Vrabel), RECOVERED by NE-T.Banta-Cain at NE 35. T.Banta-Cain to NE 35 for no gain (M.Goff).

I feel for Marty, he has put some very good football teams on the field. If he hadn't been in our division or conference all these years, I would definitely be hoping he would be in the big game. Do you feel this may have been one of his best teams ever? I really thing they underutilized Tomlinson at crunch time, especially coming out of the backfield. In pass routes he is very dangerous because I don't think many linebackers can stay with him.

Jetmeck

01-14-2007, 11:59 PM

Hard to blame Marty for what happened against the Pats...

How about his dumbass challenge towards the end that no one thought could be won that cost them a needed time out at the end.

Earlier in the game he should have challenged a play that was first down and he didn't. They went for it and Rivers was sacked. He screwed the pooch on the challenges period.

Put on a freakin headset so you can communicate with the coaches in the box you dimwit.

boltaneer

01-15-2007, 01:50 AM

I put the blame on the players for not executing.

Marty did make a stupid challenge near the end of the game (or whoever told him to challenge that) but stupid penalties, dropped passes, fumbles... that's on the players in my eyes.

That being said, I hated all the hype the media put on the Chargers this year. I don't know if the players bought into it or what because they sure played uninspired today.

The only consolation I have is that this team looks good for the future. Some things will depend on if anything happens with the coaching situation but it's a young team with many bright stars. I see San Diego and Denver as the teams battling it out for the division titles for the next couple of years at minimum.

Ron Mexico

01-15-2007, 02:14 AM

Dropped passes, untimely penalties... These are the hallmarks of an undisciplined team and that is the direct responsibility of the head coach. He had a far superior team, playing at home and they goofed it away. If it happens once, it's an aberration, over 5 years, its a trend, over 20 years its written in stone.

Very true. Ask any long term Chefs fans. They remember.

Marty finds a way to lose in the playoffs. Take away the headset and he'll waste time-outs w/ bad challenges. Going for it on 4th down in the 1st? Was he trying to prove it wasn't "Marty ball"? Players getting personal fouls? Who was classy again? Starting Grbac in the playoffs when Gannon won all the regular season games...oh wait, wrong year.

Ron Mexico

01-15-2007, 02:18 AM

Marty doesn't deserve the full hit on this.

Uh, either you're not good at trend analysis or Marty is the: Unluckiest. Coach. Ever.

I'll go with the trend and say: Worst. Playoff Coach. Ever.

He's coached in KC and SD. Hey! Let's send him to Oakland! :thumbsup:

telluride

01-15-2007, 03:45 AM

ol number 7

01-15-2007, 04:07 AM

Incredibly bad luck. Poor marty. Except for when the Broncos beat him I mean.

Marty was right about one thing. The GM that did not want to bring Brees back and wanted to go with the boy he drafted in Rivers. Marty knew with this team and Brees he had a shot at the title. Rivers was very ordinary and if you watch next Sunday guess who you will see quarterbacking the Saints; Marty's man Drew.They said in San Diego they were built to win it all this year. All their stars were healthy and rested;playing at home and stupid penalties cost them dearly. When you got Belicheck and Brady on the ropes you better put 'em away or you just saw what happened. Ass out !!
Now do they have the stones to fire Marty over this?? My guess is no. They will lose the only 30,000 real fans they got.

maven

01-15-2007, 04:10 AM

watermock

01-15-2007, 04:33 AM

He even trumps Dan Reeves. It was funny about Reeves...at least he got to the big dance and had several conference rings. I don't think Marty has ever gotten to the SB.

dragondawg

01-15-2007, 04:38 AM

he wasted a timeout on a call that was obivious that it wasn't going to be overturned

maven

01-15-2007, 04:39 AM

He even trumps Dan Reeves. It was funny about Reeves...at least he got to the big dance and had several conference rings. I don't think Marty has ever gotten to the SB.

Heck, Dan had taken the Falcons to the SB. Did you forget our 2nd SB win, Mock?

For all the regular season wins Marty has accomplished, he is the ultimate choker in the playoffs.

socalorado

01-15-2007, 09:39 AM

I love how all the chugger fans have already started "looking to the future" now that they have choked once again....
oh and by the way, whats with all the displays of "CLASS" shown on and off the field by the chugger players? As Deon said on NFL NETWORK, "If you have to actually say you have class, then you dont really have class."
Your "golden boy" was ready to cry like a little baby after the game and thats why hes mad? Because some guys were celebrating? WOW what a puss. How about "i'm mad because we just choked during prime time?" This just shows everyone how to beat this team in the future... get under their skin mentally and the games won.

scorpio

01-15-2007, 09:54 AM

Put on a freakin headset so you can communicate with the coaches in the box you dimwit.

Actually it was the exact moment Marty put on his headset that I knew they were going to lose. He just can't keep his hand out of the cookie jar.

Old Dude

01-15-2007, 09:56 AM

I don't have much to say, other than to note that Chargers fans must be sick today. The Chargers had so many opportunities to put away this game ...

sirhcyennek81

01-15-2007, 10:01 AM

That being said, I hated all the hype the media put on the Chargers this year. I don't know if the players bought into it or what because they sure played uninspired today.

Hype...this year? They were the best team to never make the playoffs last season, why, it was a crime the NFL would not allow a 9-7 third place team to make the playoffs. That was the 2005 Chargers. That being said, I dont get why LT did not get more touches in the second half of the game yesterday. You give it to the MVP, you win. I was pulling for SD yesterday, I dont want to see Tom "my smile is hollywood" Brady and Peyton "my mom dropped me on my banana head" Manning in a conference title game. One of these teams will make the SB, and that should infuriate every fan of every other team.

:Broncos:

loborugger

01-15-2007, 11:04 AM

Hard to blame Marty for what happened against the Pats...

I didnt watch the whole game, but I did catch 2 to 3 quarters. I felt after watching this game that San Diego was the better team. However, New England was the better prepared team. San Diego had the big time talent. But New England knew how to play in the big time game. If Marty knew how to prepare for a big time game, he woulda walked outta Qualcomm a victor.

Oh, and we are still the only team to knock the Pats outta the playoffs.

Willynowei

01-15-2007, 11:17 AM

Chargers had their best shot this year IMO. If Denver picks up the pieces it needs on the D-line, Chargers start off next year with two or three losses guaranteed. Even the Raiders can often milk one win off the Chargers and IMO their pathetic homefield means if Denver beats them at home, Denver can beat them away.

I can't remember the last time an AFC west team lead the division two years in a row. Marty might lose his job before he gets another crack at the playoffs.

azbroncfan

01-15-2007, 11:22 AM

It was more of "What a dipsh..." move than a he cost them the game move, good point.

That's the first time I have heard throwing a challenge flag cost a team the game. Can't blame him for the TO's and that is really what cost them the game.

Bronco_Beerslug

01-15-2007, 12:02 PM

I don't have much to say, other than to note that Chargers fans must be sick today. The Chargers had so many opportunities to put away this game ...Yeah, the Patriots sure didn't dominate them and deserve the win. Chargers gave it away.

Dendave

01-15-2007, 12:05 PM

if he get's fired, would anybody hire him again knowing he can't win in a big game?

Elway 4 Life

01-15-2007, 01:45 PM

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6370214?FSO1&ATT=HMA

This pretty much sums up the Chuggers day. If i didnt hate em so much I might feel sorry for them.

CHEF LUIGI

01-15-2007, 01:54 PM

Hard to blame Marty for what happened against the Pats...
4th and 10, lets go for it?
that poor judgement resilted in a pats FG, the margin of victory!
25 touches for LT and 31 passes for rivers?
wasted time outs and stoopid challenges?
Marty is 2 and 13 in the play-offs for a reason.
cameron will be getting the HC job for a reson.
marty is not a good coach, he assembles a nice staff, but his skill is as superficial as his gleem speech !

CHEF LUIGI

01-15-2007, 02:04 PM

Brutal accounting of Marty's f/ups.

But any longtime fan knows the score. Marty is much like Reeves: can take a bad team and make it good, but can not make it great. If shi##y teams had any sense, they'd hire Marty to get them to ten wins, then immediately fire him.and that is exactly the advice the chargers will take.
Marty has stated that this year he let his co-ordinators do the coaching and he just makes the gameday decisions...
like going for it on 4th and 10 in the first quarter, passing up a 47 yard FG try.
or Time outs and challenges.
LT was on fire, good thing marty was around to throw a bucket of water on him during the game and help get brady back on the field!
marty is 2 and 13, thats not coincidence!

Bronx33

01-15-2007, 05:49 PM

Hype...this year? They were the best team to never make the playoffs last season, why, it was a crime the NFL would not allow a 9-7 third place team to make the playoffs. That was the 2005 Chargers. That being said, I dont get why LT did not get more touches in the second half of the game yesterday. You give it to the MVP, you win. I was pulling for SD yesterday, I dont want to see Tom "my smile is hollywood" Brady and Peyton "my mom dropped me on my banana head" Manning in a conference title game. One of these teams will make the SB, and that should infuriate every fan of every other team.

:Broncos:

That right there just might be a big part of why LT had a hissy fit, the patty players doing the elaine bennis dance sent him over the edge.

azbroncfan

01-15-2007, 06:05 PM

and that is exactly the advice the chargers will take.
Marty has stated that this year he let his co-ordinators do the coaching and he just makes the gameday decisions...
like going for it on 4th and 10 in the first quarter, passing up a 47 yard FG try.
or Time outs and challenges.
LT was on fire, good thing marty was around to throw a bucket of water on him during the game and help get brady back on the field!
marty is 2 and 13, thats not coincidence!

Did you watch the game? Reason I ask is they said several times marty was letting assistants make the play calls and he wasn't going to interfere. He wasn't even wearing the headset. Players lost the game plain and simple. I do wonder if Marty is cursed though.

Bronx33

01-15-2007, 06:13 PM

Did you watch the game? Reason I ask is they said several times marty was letting assistants make the play calls and he wasn't going to interfere. He wasn't even wearing the headset. Players lost the game plain and simple. I do wonder if Marty is cursed though.

makes me wonder if marty is brain damaged was he envolved in the game? did he build the game plan? or did he say (i'll just **** this up) you guys take the wheel. After you answer those question to yourself you can only come to the conclusion (marty did make the game plan) and it sucked balls any useful coach would have ran LT hard and keep the ball away from the rookie QB. (GUESS WHAT MARTY DID) so after all this he shares a majority of the blame just like always.

hades

01-15-2007, 06:20 PM

Did you watch the game? Reason I ask is they said several times marty was letting assistants make the play calls and he wasn't going to interfere. He wasn't even wearing the headset. Players lost the game plain and simple. I do wonder if Marty is cursed though.

I thought I saw a couple TV shots if him wearing the headset, and wondered why. maybe I was mistaken, but I thought I saw him wearing one after a while.

Bronx33

01-15-2007, 07:06 PM

I thought I saw a couple TV shots if him wearing the headset, and wondered why. maybe I was mistaken, but I thought I saw him wearing one after a while.

I think he did early but i guessing his OC said LT looks pissed about being under used, strangely enough marty had tech difficulties after that and removed it.

broncofan2438

01-15-2007, 07:39 PM

Really, who cares, this dumb a.s.s is done and hopefully he has to start cleaning bathrooms or washing dishes for his new job. I could care less what happens to this looser. He choked this game just like he chokes LT penis.

frerottenextelway

01-15-2007, 07:43 PM

Hard to blame Marty for what happened against the Pats...

Sorry TJ, but you're out of your damn mind on this one.

4 and 11 at the 30, he chooses to go for it. Horrible

4th and 4 at the 40ish 2 drives later, he punts. Right decision, but if you're going to go for it on when you need a 11, why punt here?

Wasted challenge and critical timeout late in the game. Ultimately, regardless of what anyone told him, this IS his responsibility. Also, I'm sure he had time to see replays on the big screen.

Personal fouls, not falling on muffed punts, etc... The players are certainly goats as well, but ultimately there is responsibility on the HC to drill into players to get it right. He's not calling plays, that kind of stuff is why he is there afterall.

Flukes happen once, maybe twice. Flukes don't happen 6 games in a row, and 13 out of 18 games. Marty stinks.