Drew Brees > Phillip Rivers

[Kaylore]

Brees lead his team to the Championship game completing 63% of his passes with no interceptions in the face of a rabbid pass rush.

Despite all of his weapons, Rivers was exposed as a player who can't perform on third down or when blitzed despite his defense, all-pro tight end and the best running back in the league.

Their secondary was exposed too. That rush hid a lot of warts, but ultimately we were reminded what we always knew: Quentin Jammer sucks.

Enjoy the off-season Charger fans.:wave:

[bloodsunday]

Phillip Rivers was a phony all season. He is still young, but San Diego fans were dreaming.

[BigPlayShay]

Rivers appears to be a total head case. Reminds me of "Red-Ass" Rich Gannon. "Red-Ass" Rivers freaks out and whines like a baby when things aren't going his way. He needs to get that under control, or his career will be as frustrating for him as Gannon's was.

On the other hand, even though I am not close to being a Pats fan, I know when I am old and gray I will be able to tell my kids about how great Tom Brady was, and that I got to see him play. He is Jordan-esque.

[Inkana7]

On the other hand, even though I am not close to being a Pats fan, I know when I am old and gray I will be able to tell my kids about how great Tom Brady was, and that I got to see him play. He is Jordan-esque.
I'm the same way. When the Pats had the ball back with like 3:30 left, I called my 10 year old brother in the room and said to him "Watch this, you are about to see Tom Brady do what he does best, win." And sure enough, he leads the Pats down the field for a GW field goal.

[Kaylore]

I couldn't believe how long it took him to get a play off during that last drive. Why not spike it and then take your head out of your hind quarters? They spent thirty seconds after that first completion just trying to get their crap together.

[BigPlayShay]

I couldn't believe how long it took him to get a play off during that last drive. Why not spike it and then take your head out of your hind quarters? They spent thirty seconds after that first completion just trying to get their crap together.

What a great challenge by Marty on that interception / strip play eh? Rivers certainly crapped the bed on that last series, but Marty didn't help them with his moronic challenge. Marty screws his team over AGAIN!

[-Slap-]

Drew Brees > Phillip Rivers

How many times have I told Chargers fan that this year?

[Orange_Beard]

Not to defend Phillip, that lob pick he threw was a stupid, however his wideouts sucked.

Atleast 5 drops, key drops. The deep ball where the wideout failed to get his feet in, did not even try.

Gates runs out of bounds with no one around him, then with less then a minute left he fails to run ut of bounds.
The Pats totally out classed the Chargers.

[Kaylore]

How many times have I told Chargers fan that this year?

You were very pro Brees. I recall you were also a pro Rivers guy. :poke: I was skeptical from the beginning, then during the regular season I figured I was wrong about the guy. Now he's starting to look very Kerry Collinsish to me.

[Inkana7]

But! But! Drew Brees can't hit the deep ball!

[orinjkrush]

the chugger WRs were pathetic. Rivers showed his inexperience. LT has the heart of a champion. So do all of the Pastriots and especially Thomas Brady. the stupid penalties/lapses of the chuggers undid them.

[400HZ]

I really liked Brees, but after this season I'd take Rivers over him. I don't feel like going into specifics, but I would. Rivers played pretty well today, but our receivers sure sucked ass.

[-Slap-]

You were very pro Brees. I recall you were also a pro Rivers guy. :poke: I was skeptical from the beginning, then during the regular season I figured I was wrong about the guy. Now he's starting to look very Kerry Collinsish to me.

I predicted Rivers would suck coming out of school. I kind of ate my words the first half of this season, but now that the book is out on him, we'll see if he can adjust next year. I have strong doubts. I don't like his arm or his throwing motion, and I really don't like his excitable personality. Not a good trait in a quarterback, despite what many people believe.

[DB84FAN]

I really liked Brees, but after this season I'd take Rivers over him. I don't feel like going into specifics, but I would. Rivers played pretty well today, but our receivers sure sucked ass.

Keep picking rivers from now on and next year he will be as exposed as a toilet paper.. and defense will get to his ass and put him down on his ass far more... no more 4th quater heroics for that guy. chargers fan's are already changing colors from powder blue to navy blue... have a loyal fan base, before you come here talking

[BroncoInferno]

This was Rivers first year starting, people. He will be the better player long term.

[N.O.Bronco]

But! But! Drew Brees can't hit the deep ball!

i know you were being sarcastic but I love people using that argument especially when Brees leads the league in deep pass completion percentage and the most deep passes being completed. stupid, stupid move by san diego but since my second team is the saints great move for them.

[-Slap-]

i know you were being sarcastic but I love people using that argument especially when Brees leads the league in deep pass completion percentage and the most deep passes being completed. stupid, stupid move by san diego but since my second team is the saints great move for them.

Brees led the NFL in deep-ball completion percentage (52.2) last year, too.

[theAPAOps5]

This was Rivers first year starting, people. He will be the better player long term.

Normally that would be a very valid argument but there is the little fact that this is his third year in the system. There is a big difference between a rookies first year and starting and a 3rd year player making his first starts. Rivers played great during the start of the season but towards the end of the year he kind of played like poo.

[Willynowei]

Of course there was this guy Ben Rothlesberger who did worse than Rivers vs. the Patriots, albeit with a lesser supporting cast.

San Diego could've kept Brees and won the SB this year but they didn't know that, Rivers maybe something special down the road.

[BroncoInferno]

Normally that would be a very valid argument but there is the little fact that this is his third year in the system. There is a big difference between a rookies first year and starting and a 3rd year player making his first starts. Rivers played great during the start of the season but towards the end of the year he kind of played like poo.

Keep in mind that 3 of his top 4 WRs missed significant time during his slump, and the group wasn't very good to begin with...Rivers played fine today, the WRs were absolutely pitiful...I'm not sure Brees would have faired much better

[400HZ]

I just don't see Brees doing much better than Rivers this year. Certainly not a few years down the road. The competition in the NFC is pretty weak.

[theAPAOps5]

Keep in mind that 3 of his top 4 WRs missed significant time during his slump, and the group wasn't very good to begin with...Rivers played fine today, the WRs were absolutely pitiful...I'm not sure Brees would have faired much better

Thats a good point. I think Rivers will be a very decent QB but I just feel that Brees was better but I could be wrong.

[Sassy]

I just don't see Brees doing much better than Rivers this year. Certainly not a few years down the road. The competition in the NFC is pretty weak.

He's already done that...putting the Saints in the NFC Championship ROFL!

[Rock Chalk]

I predicted Rivers would suck coming out of school. I kind of ate my words the first half of this season, but now that the book is out on him, we'll see if he can adjust next year. I have strong doubts. I don't like his arm or his throwing motion, and I really don't like his excitable personality. Not a good trait in a quarterback, despite what many people believe.

Yeah, look what that excitable personality has done to Favre's career Uhh.

Sometimes, you are stupid. No, most of the times you are stupid.

Rivers didnt play especially bad. He played better than Brady did.

Oh, btw. Brady was Plummeresque today. Yet, his defense didnt fold on him and eventually he gound his groove. Funny what a real defense will do for a team.

[epicSocialism4tw]

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Rivers didnt play especially bad. He played better than Brady did.

Oh, btw. Brady was Plummeresque today. Yet, his defense didnt fold on him and eventually he gound his groove. Funny what a real defense will do for a team.

Oh the ironies...it was Plummer and our defense that executed the needed plays when we absolutely had to have them against the Pats last season.

I just hope that Bronco fans arent saying Jake Plummer > Jay Cutler this time next season.

[-Slap-]

Yeah, look what that excitable personality has done to Favre's career Uhh.

Sometimes, you are stupid. No, most of the times you are stupid.

Rivers didnt play especially bad. He played better than Brady did.

Oh, btw. Brady was Plummeresque today. Yet, his defense didnt fold on him and eventually he gound his groove. Funny what a real defense will do for a team.

I've never seen Favre getting into yelling matches with opposing teams fans before. In fact, I've seen him frustrated, but I've never seen the kind of hissy fits from number 4 you see from Rivers routinely. You probably don't notice it because you fly off the handle over everything, too.

Ha!

[Tredici]

The mark of a good Quarterback is to play badly and still come through in the clutch. Not to play good and get nowhere....

The one time I really had to shake my head at Rivers is when he tried that stupid keep away lob pass. Dude! This isn't the Jr. High recess field. Any linebacker worth a bench seat in the NFL was going to come down with that one.

[maven]

Maybe it's just me, but I'm glad our qb doesn't throw like a girl. That lob pass that resulted in an int was weak. It was ugly, weak, and a wtf were you thinking type of play. I cannot stand the way Rivers throws the football. It is irritating to watch. And a lot of his passes are girly mon. It would piss me off so much if our qb was tossing the pigskin like Rivers does for the next 10 years.

[That One Guy]

I don't think you can knock Rivers too much. Anyone that remembers how he looked when Brees got hurt compared to how he looked this year can tell a huge difference. Now Rivers has a full year of playing under his belt, got great experience and will come out ready to go as a 2nd year starter. If the Chargers can get some legit threats at WR, they may be even more dangerous next year than this year. I just hope they shuffle the FO some so we get the usual one or two season slump in there.

While I was cheering against them and thought it funny as hell to see them make the mistakes they did and lose a very winnable game, this still doesn't change the fact that they whooped us twice this year and we have to play em twice again next year. Now, with all that said... somebody up there in the sky sure hates marty... hahahaha...

[watermock]

I predicted Rivers would suck coming out of school. I kind of ate my words the first half of this season, but now that the book is out on him, we'll see if he can adjust next year. I have strong doubts. I don't like his arm or his throwing motion, and I really don't like his excitable personality. Not a good trait in a quarterback, despite what many people believe.

Those are excellent points. He had a great bowl game and I think the Senior bowl, and shot up the board.

As far as excitable goes, I was very impressed with Jay's poise as a rookie, and how he dusted out his brain stem after Foster went turnstile...I was pissed. He is going to be a great one IMO, but only if he's not a vegetable from poor protection. He's not doubt allready had more than his fair share of shots after playing at Vandy. That was an awful bounce off the back of his head.

We need to get him some real protection or we will have the next Steve Young/Aikeman. I'm still pissed. If your beat for christ sake Foster, HOLD rather than just be a damn turnstile.

You could tell Jay wasn't quite all there after the concussion...but it just shows his toughness. If Jake could of played like anything resembling a QB when he got in we could of let Jay rest at least another series.

[-Slap-]

Maybe it's just me, but I'm glad our qb doesn't throw like a girl. That lob pass that resulted in an int was weak. It was ugly, weak, and a wtf were you thinking type of play. I cannot stand the way Rivers throws the football. It is irritating to watch. And a lot of his passes are girly mon. It would piss me off so much if our qb was tossing the pigskin like Rivers does for the next 10 years.

¿Quién es mas macho?

Jay Cutler o Felipe Rios?

[Kaylore]

Oh the ironies...it was Plummer and our defense that executed the needed plays when we absolutely had to have them against the Pats last season.

I just hope that Bronco fans arent saying Jake Plummer > Jay Cutler this time next season.

Yeah right. You'd be excstatic. In fact you're saying that right now. Funny how you Plummerites can let this go even in threads where we aren't even discussing either player. Alec is looking more and more hysterical each day.

[epicSocialism4tw]

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Mock, I may be missing something, but did you mean to use this cliche for your sig: "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"?

[Ron Mexico]

I really liked Brees, but after this season I'd take Rivers over him. I don't feel like going into specifics, but I would. Rivers played pretty well today, but our receivers sure sucked ass.

That's some powerful Super Charger Kool-Aid you're drinkin'. It is obvious to everyone that Brees outperformed Rivers this year even if Rivers had a good year overall. Brees was mentioned everywhere as being in contention for league MVP although everyone knew LT would get it. Rivers was just supporting cast for the LT show.

Oh by the way, only Schottenheimer could continuously sink such a talented team as the Chargers. There are at least a ten active coaches that would have won one or more Super Bowls already with the Chargers from 2004 til now. By all means, don't fire him!

[Sodak]

I was a bit suprised how weak some of Rivers' throws were. Sometimes the ball came out like it was tied to a baloon.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Yeah right. You'd be excstatic. In fact you're saying that right now. Funny how you Plummerites can let this go even in threads where we aren't even discussing either player. Alec is looking more and more hysterical each day.

I would have been ecstatic had that been us playing in the divisional round today. I am fairly certain that it wouldnt be the Pats in the AFC Championship game had we seen them at Mile High.

My hopes are now in Cutler, and my full support is behind him. I will cheer his accomplishments and consider his failures as part of Bronco football, just as I did Plummer.

What I will never understand is how Bronco fans can turn on their QB, or their players.

This season was the season of Plummer and Darrent Willams bashing. It's shameful.

[That One Guy]

The QB position is the only position on the field in which you can have mediocrity yet the position cannot be won or lost. Across the board, backup QBs almost always have to rely on an injury for them to get their break. Rooting for someone else to get a shot after the year Jake was having isn't turning your back on anyone. It's rooting for the coaching staff to take a chance and do what's best for the team even if it isn't the convential method of dealing with things.

[epicSocialism4tw]

The QB position is the only position on the field in which you can have mediocrity yet the position cannot be won or lost. Across the board, backup QBs almost always have to rely on an injury for them to get their break. Rooting for someone else to get a shot after the year Jake was having isn't turning your back on anyone. It's rooting for the coaching staff to take a chance and do what's best for the team even if it isn't the convential method of dealing with things.

It wasnt just this season. It's been going on for three years.

[Kaylore]

This season was the season of Plummer and Darrent Willams bashing. It's shameful.
You're such a drama queen, Llama.

[epicSocialism4tw]

You're such a drama queen, Llama.

You're in denial.

[Kaylore]

You're in denial.
In denial of what? That Steve Nash is better than Dirk Nowitski? ROFL!

[Xenos]

That's some powerful Super Charger Kool-Aid you're drinkin'. It is obvious to everyone that Brees outperformed Rivers this year even if Rivers had a good year overall. Brees was mentioned everywhere as being in contention for league MVP although everyone knew LT would get it. Rivers was just supporting cast for the LT show.

Oh by the way, only Schottenheimer could continuously sink such a talented team as the Chargers. There are at least a ten active coaches that would have won one or more Super Bowls already with the Chargers from 2004 til now. By all means, don't fire him!

But Brees also plays in a weaker conference. He's 1-3 against AFC opponents. Obviously, NO doesn't have a great defense so the burden is heavier on him. That being said, I'm glad he's doing well now. He probably just needed to be in a another system like Reche Caldwell did.
I, however, like Rivers as my QB, and despite what Slap may say, he doesn't get a hissy fit or get into a screaming match with fans. It was one time thing. He plays with a lot of emotion and sometimes that can be a problem, but he has also shown that he can use that emotion to bring this team back. Ever since that second KC game, you haven't seen him as torn up about making mistakes.

Anyways, I guess the only thing left to do is root fo the Saints(yay) and the Colts(blech) to win next week.

[-Slap-]

I've heard one of his own teammates say he's surprised by the way Rivers gets into it with fans on the road.

[400HZ]

Brees lead the Chargers to a 1-15 season in his first year as a starter. Rivers got us 14-2.

Yes, Brees was better THIS YEAR. That guy is a beast when hes playing with a chip on his shoulder. But don't try and overlook the fact that he's playing in the JV conference and he's got some pretty productive receivers. Joe Montana couldn't have won the game for SD tonight the way our receivers played.

This was Rivers first year as a starter. Next year, he's going to be better. The year after that, he's going to be better. I'm not making excuses for any crappy games he had. He did make a few bad throws tonight. He made a lot fewer bad throws than Brady, however. Brady's receivers weren't trying to stick their fists up their quarterbacks ass, though.

[400HZ]

I've heard one of his own teammates say he's surprised by the way Rivers gets into it with fans on the road.

Who cares?

[Xenos]

Brees lead the Chargers to a 1-15 season in his first year as a starter. Rivers got us 14-2.

Yes, Brees was better THIS YEAR. That guy is a beast when hes playing with a chip on his shoulder. But don't try and overlook the fact that he's playing in the JV conference and he's got some pretty productive receivers. Joe Montana couldn't have won the game for SD tonight the way our receivers played.

This was Rivers first year as a starter. Next year, he's going to be better. The year after that, he's going to be better. I'm not making excuses for any crappy games he had. He did make a few bad throws tonight. He made a lot fewer bad throws than Brady, however. Brady's receivers weren't trying to stick their fists up their quarterbacks ass, though.
I agree with most except for that bolded part. It was and 8-8 record, which was pretty decent for a first year starter. Don't confuse Leaf with Brees. Rivers didn't lose this game. There were two key plays that made this loss. The Drayton Florence headbutt and the McCree fumble on fourth down. Shoulda Woulda, but nada.

[Xenos]

I've heard one of his own teammates say he's surprised by the way Rivers gets into it with fans on the road.

Which one?

[boltaneer]

I didn't really have an issue with Rivers' play today. He did have that horrible interception but otherwise I thought he played pretty well, especially considering it was his first playoff game in his first year starting.

Eric Parker had possibly the worst game of his career, dropping passes left and right (not to mention the stupid fumble) and Vincent Jackson shows flashes of greatness but still is very green. He still does not attack the ball with his hands and instead tries to catch with his body. He should have had a touchdown today but failed to drag his toe in the endzone. That throw by Rivers was beautiful and put in the only spot where Jackson could catch it but the defender could not. Vincent just didn't execute.

Also, Keenan McCardell was invisible today. Either his calf injury is still bothering him or he's gotten old this season. The Chargers need to upgrade their WR corps next year. Kassim Osgood is a special teamer and shouldn't see the field on offense and Malcom Floyd is a bright spot but is very injury prone.

The stupid penalties and fumbles were the mistakes that cost us the most today. It wasn't Rivers and it wasn't Marty. A number of players just didn't execute and made boneheaded mistakes.