View Full Version : Scientists Prepare to Move Doomsday Clock Forward
Bronco_Beerslug
01-12-2007, 03:51 PM
Well, that's encouraging :oyvey:
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Scientists prepare to move Doomsday Clock forward (http://tinyurl.com/y9wqe2)
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The keepers of the "Doomsday Clock" plan to move its hands forward next Wednesday to reflect what they call worsening nuclear and climate threats to the world.
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The 'Doomsday Clock' in a file photo. The keepers of the symbolic clock plan to move its hands forward next Wednesday to reflect what they call worsening nuclear and climate threats to the world. (File/Reuters)
The symbolic clock, maintained by the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, currently is set at seven minutes to midnight, with midnight marking global catastrophe.
The group did not say in which direction the hands would move. But in a news release previewing an event next Wednesday, they said the change was based on "worsening nuclear, climate threats" to the world.
"The major new step reflects growing concerns about a 'Second Nuclear Age' marked by grave threats, including: nuclear ambitions in Iran and North Korea, unsecured nuclear materials in Russia and elsewhere, the continuing 'launch-ready' status of 2,000 of the 25,000 nuclear weapons held by the U.S. and Russia, escalating terrorism, and new pressure from climate change for expanded civilian nuclear power that could increase proliferation risks," the release reads.
The clock was last pushed forward by two minutes to seven minutes to midnight in 2002 amid concerns about the proliferation of nuclear, biological and other weapons and the threat of terrorism.
When it was created by the magazine's staff in 1947, it was initially set at seven minutes to midnight and has moved 17 times since then.
It was as close as two minutes to midnight in 1953 following U.S. and Soviet hydrogen bomb tests, and as far away as 17 minutes to midnight in 1991 after the superpowers reached agreement on a nuclear arms reductions.
Spider
01-12-2007, 03:54 PM
what ??? no mention of second hand smoke ?
what kind of junk science group of hippies are these ass clowns ?
alkemical
01-12-2007, 03:58 PM
I think that enough idiots in the world believe and want the end times to happen, it will.
Bronco_Beerslug
01-12-2007, 03:58 PM
what ??? no mention of second hand smoke ?
what kind of junk science group of hippies are these ass clowns ?It's there (part of the climate change).
Spider
01-12-2007, 04:00 PM
It's there (part of the climate change).
whew for a second there i was worried the hippies in Bangor was starting to look like idiots
Bronco_Beerslug
01-12-2007, 04:02 PM
Everyone should be worried about the accounting or lack of accounting of the former USSR's nuclear stockpile.
BABronco
01-12-2007, 04:05 PM
Everyone should be worried about the accounting or lack of accounting of the former USSR's nuclear stockpile.
Where do you think Iran and NK got a lot of their stuff?
Spider
01-12-2007, 04:05 PM
Everyone should be worried about the accounting or lack of accounting of the former USSR's nuclear stockpile.
blah .........Nuke smooks , the real threat is second hand smoke in a car ..... just ask the folks in Maine
BABronco
01-12-2007, 04:06 PM
blah .........Nuke smooks , the real threat is second hand smoke in a car ..... just ask the folks in Maine
what in the world do you keep going on about?
BABronco
01-12-2007, 04:07 PM
nvm found it
Spider
01-12-2007, 04:08 PM
what in the world do you keep going on about?
cant you read ? Second hand smoke ............ People in Maine freaked out over it .........
Bronco_Beerslug
01-12-2007, 04:09 PM
Where do you think Iran and NK got a lot of their stuff?
I think there is still a lot of stuff unaccounted for including some suitcase weapons.
BABronco
01-12-2007, 04:10 PM
I think there is still a lot of stuff unaccounted for including some suitcase weapons.
More than likely.
Bronco_Beerslug
01-12-2007, 04:12 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/SADM%28cropped%29.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:SADM%28cropped%29.jpg) H-912 transport container for Mk-54 SADM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Atomic_Demolition_Munition).
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1 Production (suitcase nukes) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suitcase_bomb#Production_.28suitcase_nukes.29)
2 Controversy (suitcase nukes) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suitcase_bomb#Controversy_.28suitcase_nukes.29)
3 References (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suitcase_bomb#References)
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[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Suitcase_bomb&action=edit§ion=1)] Production (suitcase nukes)
Only a nation with an extremely advanced nuclear program could manufacture warheads small enough to fit into a suitcase. Both the USA and the USSR manufactured nuclear weapons small enough to fit into large backpacks during the Cold War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War), but neither have ever made public the existence or development of weapons small enough to fit into a suitcase. The smallest nuclear warhead manufactured by the USA was the W54 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W54), used for the Davy Crockett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_%28nuclear_device%29) warhead which could be fired from a 120 mm recoilless rifle, and a backpack version called the Mk-54 SADM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SADM) (Small Atomic Demolition Munition). While this warhead, with a weight of only 51 lb (23 kg), could potentially fit into a large suitcase, it would be a very tight fit. While the explosive power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_yield) of the W54 — up to an equivalent of 1 kiloton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_equivalent) of TNT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinitrotoluene) — is not much by the normal standards of a nuclear weapon (the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki) at the end of World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II) were around 13 to 15 kilotons each), it could still do tremendous physical damage to a structure (it would be many, many times more powerful than the explosive attack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing) on the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_P._Murrah_Federal_Building) in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City%2C_Oklahoma) in 1995, for example, with a yield of 0.002 kiloton).
The technology required to manufacture a nuclear warhead miniaturized to such an extent that it could fit into a suitcase restricts the independent development of "suitcase nukes" to only nations with highly advanced nuclear weapons programs which have performed many nuclear tests (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_testing).
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Suitcase_bomb&action=edit§ion=2)] Controversy (suitcase nukes)
In 1997, former Russian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia) National Security Advisor Alexander Lebed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Lebed) made public claims about lost "suitcase nukes" following the dissolution of the Soviet Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union). In an interview with the newsmagazine Sixty Minutes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixty_Minutes), Lebed said:
<dl><dd>"I'm saying that more than a hundred weapons out of the supposed number of 250 are not under the control of the armed forces of Russia. I don't know their location. I don't know whether they have been destroyed or whether they are stored or whether they've been sold or stolen, I don't know."</dd></dl> However both the US and Russian governments immediately rejected Lebed's claims. Russia's atomic energy ministry went so far as to dispute that suitcase nuclear weapons had even ever been developed by the Soviet Union. Later testimony however insinuated that the suitcase bombs had been under the control of the KGB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KGB) and not the army or the atomic energy ministry, so they might not know of their existence. Russian president Vladimir Putin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin), in an interview with Barbara Walters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Walters) in 2001, stated about suitcase nukes, "I don't really believe this is true. These are just legends. One can probably assume that somebody tried to sell some nuclear secrets. But there is no documentary confirmation of those developments."
The Russian government's statements on this matter have been contradictory. First they denied that such weapons had ever existed; then they said that all of them had been destroyed. However, the highest-ranking GRU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRU) defector Stanislav Lunev confirmed that such Russian-made devices do exist and described them in more detail <sup id="_ref-Lunev_0" class="reference">[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suitcase_bomb#_note-Lunev)</sup>. These devices, “identified as RA-115s (or RA-115-01s for submersible weapons)” weigh from fifty to sixty pounds. They can last for many years if wired to an electric source. “In case there is a loss of power, there is a battery backup. If the battery runs low, the weapon has a transmitter that sends a coded message – either by satellite or directly to a GRU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRU) post at a Russian embassy or consulate.” According to Lunev, the number of “missing” nuclear devices (as found by General Lebed) “is almost identical to the number of strategic targets upon which those bombs would be used”. He suggested that they might be already deployed by the GRU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRU) operatives somewhere.
Whether or not Russian "suitcase nukes" exist, the threat of the old Soviet nuclear arsenal falling into malicious hands has been behind many American and Russian joint-initiatives after the Cold War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War) to bolster Russia's ability to keep its nuclear weapons secure and accounted for, while the amount of weapons is being scaled down as well.
TheDave
01-12-2007, 04:14 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else see the humor in a bunch of Atomic Scientists having a paper clock that symbolizes the end of the world... Not only that but they hold a press conference to let us know they are moving it's hands.
Spider
01-12-2007, 04:16 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else see the humor in a bunch of Atomic Scientists having a paper clock that symbolizes the end of the world... Not only that but they hold a press conference to let us know they are moving it's hands.
it is just you ;D
TheDave
01-12-2007, 04:18 PM
it is just you ;D
I was afraid of that :~ohyah!:
Spider
01-12-2007, 04:19 PM
I was afraid of that :~ohyah!:
These well dressed hippies need to be taken seriously ..............Just ask them ;D
alkemical
01-12-2007, 04:21 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else see the humor in a bunch of Atomic Scientists having a paper clock that symbolizes the end of the world... Not only that but they hold a press conference to let us know they are moving it's hands.
Oh i find it funny - but not HAHA funny....
how's it going dave -
TheDave
01-12-2007, 04:23 PM
And with that...
A little Iron Maiden
"2 Minutes to Midnight"
Kill for gain or shoot to maim
But we dont need a reason
The golden goose is on the loose
And never out of season
Some blackened pride still burns inside
This shell of bloody treason
Heres my gun for a barrel of fun
For the love of living death.
Chorus
The killers breed or the demons seed,
The glamour, the fortune, the pain,
Go to war again, blood is freedoms stain,
But dont you pray for my soul anymore.
2 minutes to midnight
The hands that threaten doom.
2 minutes to midnight
To kill the unborn in the womb.
The blind men shout let the creatures out
Well show the unbelievers
The napalm screams of human flames
Of a prime time belsen feast...yeah!
As the reasons for the carnage cut their meat and lick the gravy,
We oil the jaws of the war machine and feed it with our babies.
Chorus
The body bags and little rags of children torn in two
And the jellied brains of those who remain to put the finger right on you.
As the madmen play on words and make us all dance to their song,
To the tune of starving millions to make a better kind of gun.
Chorus
Midnight...all night...
alkemical
01-12-2007, 04:25 PM
BLACK SABBATH LYRICS
"Electric Funeral"
Reflex in the sky warn you you're gonna die
Storm coming, you'd better hide from the atomic tide
Flashes in the sky turns houses into sties
Turns people into clay, radiation minds decay
Robot minds of robot slaves lead them to atomic rage
plastic flowers, melting sun, fading moon falls upon
dying world of radiation, victims of mad frustration
Burning globe of oxy'n fire, like electric funeral pyre
Buildings crashing down to a cracking ground
Rivers turn to wood, ice melting to flood
Earth lies in death bed, clouds cry water dead
Tearing life away, here's the burning pay
Electric Funeral
Electric Funeral
Electric Funeral
Electric Funeral
And so in the sky shines the electric eye
supernatural king takes earth under his wing
Heaven's golden chorus sings, Hell's angels flap their wings
Evil souls fall to Hell, ever trapped in burning cells!
TheDave
01-12-2007, 04:26 PM
Oh i find it funny - but not HAHA funny....
how's it going dave -
It's going good enough...
Been sticking to the main board mostly, also trying to get a handle on the draft. I need to figure out who we should take at 21 so that i can b!tch and complain come draft day :).I come around here and lurk from time to time... just not as fun as it was.
alkemical
01-12-2007, 04:51 PM
It's going good enough...
Been sticking to the main board mostly, also trying to get a handle on the draft. I need to figure out who we should take at 21 so that i can b!tch and complain come draft day :).I come around here and lurk from time to time... just not as fun as it was.
Dave,
I think i'm going to go to school to be a Psychologist or something related.
Glad to hear things are doing well.
I also noticed garcia edited my sig to show that i am "AKA Hobbles" ;) (I sprained my foot pretty bad).
I thought the BAS were concerned with nuclear threats, not climate ones. I guess nukes just aren't as newsworthy any more.
Bronco_Beerslug
01-12-2007, 04:56 PM
This preview might fit this topic.
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-Slap-
01-12-2007, 05:22 PM
Relax dude, we've still got seven minutes.
bendog
01-12-2007, 06:07 PM
My hay fever is flaring up in January, where the green mold on the giant oaks is out, heralding spring. I'm starting to be a believer in global warming. First a ****ing 50 foot tidal wave in the gulf of ****ing mexico, then a hurricand in ****ing baja and now this.
epicSocialism4tw
01-12-2007, 07:16 PM
Could we not just begin reporting everyone were suspicious of to our local media so that they can be tried and hung in the court of public opinion with very little evidence of any wrongdoing?
Bronco_Beerslug
01-12-2007, 07:35 PM
My hay fever is flaring up in January, where the green mold on the giant oaks is out, heralding spring. I'm starting to be a believer in global warming. First a ****ing 50 foot tidal wave in the gulf of ****ing mexico, then a hurricand in ****ing baja and now this. Is that what that is here? My daughter is getting bad sneezing and red swollen eyes episodes.