Windows XP

[~Crash~]

I hate it !!!!!!!!! I had to update my comuter to even get on the net ...well that worked out fine for the most part until I updated to exporer 7 then all hell broke loose I then had major securty issues then I need to add a new securty upate.... explorer 7 made a real mess of the browser it still is not wright.... I went to my computer then control panel then internet settings then I reset the iternet explore settings noow it warned me that I should not do it unless my browser was not working at all well it was rolling really bad !!!!!! so I did it well it is way better but now the Orange Mane is white !!!

and the fonts are realy small could some one tell me how to atleast get some size back hope someone has some clues to all this crap it still is way slow compared to before I went to explorer 7 what BS!!! heck I feel like I am back to dial up !!! 7 sucks big time !!!!!!!!!

[usedupbraids]

whats windows xp?

[Popps]

http://img.timeinc.net/time/gadget/images/photo_osx_tiger.jpg

Free yourself.

[usedupbraids]

http://img.timeinc.net/time/gadget/images/photo_osx_tiger.jpg

Free yourself.

looks like the X-MEN logo ;)

[cbs1177]

morzilla firefox here. ditch explorer

[Popps]

looks like the X-MEN logo ;)

It's the X-Men of operating systems. :)

Actually, I thought Panther (one prior) was a little more stable, but Leopard is supposed to be insane. Can't wait to see what they come up with now that the dual core Intel is fully integrated.

[usedupbraids]

morzilla firefox here. ditch explorer

i just got a computer :kiss:

[Popps]

morzilla firefox here. ditch explorer

Totally agree with that. If you're going to punish yourself with Windows, don't make it worse and use Explorer. It's extremely slow and clunky.

Firefox is great. Safari (Mac only) is great.

[usedupbraids]

It's the X-Men of operating systems. :)

Actually, I thought Panther (one prior) was a little more stable, but Leopard is supposed to be insane. Can't wait to see what they come up with now that the dual core Intel is fully integrated.

i have no clue what you said but i agree :D

[atomicbloke]

actually linux is the best OS.

but osx is only slightly behind.

[Popps]

actually linux is the best OS.

but osx is only slightly behind.

Haven't used Linux enough to say, but from what I understand... it's a great OS. But, it reminds me a bit of the Beta back in the early 80s when VHS took over. I'm just not sure it's ever going to be mainstream enough for your average computer buyer to make the commitment.

Even worse, most of the people out there who are going to give a dymanic OS like that a chance are Mac users, and with the recent upgrades to Mac OS and the Intel chips, it's believed that Linux is going to see more of its tiny share eaten away, not by Windows.. but by Mac. It's kind of a bummer, because I'd like to see both flourish and push one another to improve while Windows continues to chase both of them, putting out OS's like Vista... obviously a desperate attempt to clone OSX.

New York Times on Vista...

http://video.on.nytimes.com/ifr_main.jsp?nsid=a718aabc2:10f9191559a:-2227&rf=bm&fr_story=d14603c1e23e6ce37920a8134a2e27b1405a4991&st=1166380402813&mp=FLV&cpf=false&fvn=9&fr=121706_013322_718aabc2x10f9191559axw2226&rdm=626393.870785987

[BroncoBuff]

http://img.timeinc.net/time/gadget/images/photo_osx_tiger.jpg

Free yourself.

Oh, God! You're one of THEM?!




That explains so much, Popps ... so very much. ;D

[Los Broncos]

morzilla firefox here. ditch explorer

Yeah, Firefox is better, should take care of a few problems at least.

[Spider]

morzilla firefox here. ditch explorer

I use mozilla myself ............ love it

[LordHelmchen]

actually linux is the best OS.

but osx is only slightly behind.


on what do you actually base that statement? best OS for what?

for n00bs and average users: certainly not
for gamers: certainly not
for DB: it's up there with UNIX, but depending on what kind of DB application runs there, I'd still go for UNIX in most cases, even with the higher price tag
for ERP(SAP): due to the complexity of the application, I'd choose a UNIX over Linux as it is better supported. Hell, I'd even go with a Windows environment, some of our customers have a pure SAP Windows environment and it is fast and gosh, stable.. only the once a month downtime for new patches suck ;D
for web servers: hmm, maybe, but it's on the same level with Solaris IMO
for graphic design and DTP: no
for music editing: no
for guys who like to play round, get into the depths of the operating system, like open source and so on : most definitely yes

Don't get me wrong, I like Linux and overall it's pretty solid, but the best OS? It is the most versatile, covers enterprise applications as well as end user needs, but the best?

[LordHelmchen]

oh, and @ 56crash..try pressing and holding the ctrl button and scroll your mouse wheel... or alternatively click on view -> textsize -> and choose a size.

Othe rthan that..yeah, go for Firefox , but look out for some of the great extensions, because out of the box Firefox is hmm... well, not as good as it can be

[dnvrbrncos]

I found it (ie7) was crashing on me randomly in use and everytime I closed it. I later realized this was due to having google desktop installed before updating to (ie7) I removed it as you did, removed google desktop then readded ie7. Haven't had any problems with it since.

That being said, I still use firefox. I just wanted/needed ie7 to check websites when I build them.

[Pendejo]

It's the X-Men of operating systems. :)

Actually, I thought Panther (one prior) was a little more stable, but Leopard is supposed to be insane. Can't wait to see what they come up with now that the dual core Intel is fully integrated.

I'm using a MacBook running Tiger...and I have been less than impressed with it's stability. It doesn't seem any more stable than a properly maintained XP Machine.

[LordHelmchen]

I'm using a MacBook running Tiger...and I have been less than impressed with it's stability. It doesn't seem any more stable than a properly maintained XP Machine.

Well, Windows XP is quite stable anyway IMO, I had 2 BSODs and 3 freezes last year. And during that time I changed from an Athlon XP on a Nforce2 chipset to an Athlon 64 on a Nforce 4 chipset without reinstallation. Last reinstall is about 3 years ago. That's a far cry from my bi-weekly fresh installs of my Windows 98 machines ;D

[Popps]

Oh, God! You're one of THEM?!


That explains so much, Popps ... so very much. ;D

Yea.

I also use electric can-openers, push-button phones and watch color television. I'm a real nut!

!Booya!

[Popps]

I'm using a MacBook running Tiger...and I have been less than impressed with it's stability. It doesn't seem any more stable than a properly maintained XP Machine.

Haven't used the Macbooks, yet. What kind of stability issues are you having?

I have 5 Macs in the house (some dedicated to business) and haven't had a peep out of any of them. All perfect, all the time. Maybe a once in a blue moon freeze on my main Pro Tools rig, which I work the hell out of, but nothing major. I finally had a G4 466 (about 9 years old) start giving me probs, and was able to swap out the hard drive for cheap and fixed it.

Bought a 20" iMac dual core running Tiger and haven't had a single problem in the year I've owned it. 100% stable.

While I will say that Tiger is a little less stable than Panther was (imo) ... I'd still be curious to know your probs. You literally shouldn't have ANY.

[Popps]

Well, Windows XP is quite stable anyway IMO, I had 2 BSODs and 3 freezes last year. And during that time I changed from an Athlon XP on a Nforce2 chipset to an Athlon 64 on a Nforce 4 chipset without reinstallation. Last reinstall is about 3 years ago. That's a far cry from my bi-weekly fresh installs of my Windows 98 machines ;D

I've heard that XP is more stable. But, factor in the constant spyware/virus threat... and the lack of intuitive interface (which is why Vista is trying to clone OSX)... and it's still not worth messing with, to me.

I'll be curious to see how the Vista rates out as far as stability. It's supposed to be improved.

[Rohirrim]

http://img.timeinc.net/time/gadget/images/photo_osx_tiger.jpg
I've gone over to the dark side. BWAHAHAHA! Just got a 20" IMac last week for the wife. In a couple of weeks, I get my 24". I'm done with Bill Gates and the Borg. Locutus is free!

[Popps]

http://img.timeinc.net/time/gadget/images/photo_osx_tiger.jpg
I've gone over to the dark side. BWAHAHAHA! Just got a 20" IMac last week for the wife. In a couple of weeks, I get my 24". I'm done with Bill Gates and the Borg. Locutus is free!

I'd expect nothing less from one of the smartest guys on the forum.

:approve:

The 24" models are out of control! I got the 20 before those came out, or I'd be there with you. Beautiful display!

[LordHelmchen]

I've heard that XP is more stable. But, factor in the constant spyware/virus threat... and the lack of intuitive interface (which is why Vista is trying to clone OSX)... and it's still not worth messing with, to me.

I'll be curious to see how the Vista rates out as far as stability. It's supposed to be improved.

The constant spyware/virus threat is a non-factor for me. I don't know, but it's mostly a threat for ppl who don't know what they are doing and like to klick OK and yes buttons on internet sites and open suspicious emails. I had a virus infection once, and just because I wanted to try it out ;D Other than that, I never had anything, no virus, no spyware, nothing.

The interface is intuitive enough for me, though I have to admit, recently I really warmed up to Macs. Before that I didn't really like them, my only real experience with them being the first imac in 1998, which I won. I sold it after about two months... 1 button mouse?? peripherals way too expensive and that thing was ugly as well. Nah, I hated it.

If I'd need a laptop I'd buy a macbook, they are a niiiice. But, I don't need one, as I just got a new company notebook. And for my main rig, I just like the modular approach of PCs.. and the cheaper hardware. Plus, gaming still sucks on Macs. :clown:

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I've heard that XP is more stable. But, factor in the constant spyware/virus threat... and the lack of intuitive interface (which is why Vista is trying to clone OSX)... and it's still not worth messing with, to me.

I'll be curious to see how the Vista rates out as far as stability. It's supposed to be improved.XP Pro is about as stable as it gets (for me anyway). No such thing as crashes and I do mucho intensive application work, audio editing, etc... all while not shutting it down for weeks sometimes. No viruses, no problems of any kind.

[Popps]

The constant spyware/virus threat is a non-factor for me. I don't know, but it's mostly a threat for ppl who don't know what they are doing and like to klick OK and yes buttons on internet sites and open suspicious emails. I had a virus infection once, and just because I wanted to try it out ;D Other than that, I never had anything, no virus, no spyware, nothing.

The interface is intuitive enough for me, though I have to admit, recently I really warmed up to Macs. Before that I didn't really like them, my only real experience with them being the first imac in 1998, which I won. I sold it after about two months... 1 button mouse?? peripherals way too expensive and that thing was ugly as well. Nah, I hated it.

If I'd need a laptop I'd buy a macbook, they are a niiiice. But, I don't need one, as I just got a new company notebook. And for my main rig, I just like the modular approach of PCs.. and the cheaper hardware. Plus, gaming still sucks on Macs. :clown:

Yea, gaming isn't as good on Macs, not because of the platform... but because makers simply don't make as many games for Mac OS, because they know gamers are always building their own PCs.
I'm not a gamer, but it's too bad there aren't more games for Mac, because the infrastructure is perfectly suited to handle pcu-intensive apps. Final Cut Pro is one of the most native-pcu taxing apps ever created, and it runs like a charm on Macs.

[listopencil]

I switched to Firefox several months ago and I won't switch back. I still have IE7 on my PC because the wife and kids are used to it. They don't appreciate me laughing when it crashes on them.

[Pendejo]

Haven't used the Macbooks, yet. What kind of stability issues are you having?

I have 5 Macs in the house (some dedicated to business) and haven't had a peep out of any of them. All perfect, all the time. Maybe a once in a blue moon freeze on my main Pro Tools rig, which I work the hell out of, but nothing major. I finally had a G4 466 (about 9 years old) start giving me probs, and was able to swap out the hard drive for cheap and fixed it.

Bought a 20" iMac dual core running Tiger and haven't had a single problem in the year I've owned it. 100% stable.

While I will say that Tiger is a little less stable than Panther was (imo) ... I'd still be curious to know your probs. You literally shouldn't have ANY.

The system freezes completely from time to time. The spinning wheel of death is a frequent visitor, and while surfing the web I get errors that cause the browser to crash (both firefox, and safari.) This computer isn't 6 months old, and the only software from outside the box that has been installed is StuffIt expander, and Flip4Mac.

I like the error codes that XP gives you when there is a problem. At least you have a starting point for a fix.

There are some good things about it, but I just haven't found the thing to be any more reliable than an XP machine.

There's a pretty good video on the internet of Steve Jobs giving a presentation about how a Mac won't crash. I think you can pretty easily make an educated guess as to what happens.

[broncosteven]

I hate it !!!!!!!!! I had to update my comuter to even get on the net ...well that worked out fine for the most part until I updated to exporer 7 then all hell broke loose I then had major securty issues then I need to add a new securty upate.... explorer 7 made a real mess of the browser it still is not wright.... I went to my computer then control panel then internet settings then I reset the iternet explore settings noow it warned me that I should not do it unless my browser was not working at all well it was rolling really bad !!!!!! so I did it well it is way better but now the Orange Mane is white !!!

and the fonts are realy small could some one tell me how to atleast get some size back hope someone has some clues to all this crap it still is way slow compared to before I went to explorer 7 what BS!!! heck I feel like I am back to dial up !!! 7 sucks big time !!!!!!!!!

Is your display driver set to use Normal fonts or large fonts? I can't tell what the problem is through the rant. Right click Desktop & got to properties Appearance.

I think under the IE7 tools there may be a property page also, I have it installed on a test server at home but did not have any issues with it or play with it much. I was not impressed enough to upgrade yet on my pc's. I just hide the update for now.

[Crushaholic]

I've never had a problem with IE 7. People just have to be careful what they install/download and and keep anti-virus/spyware programs updated...

[slatimer]

If you are using IE to surf the net you are only asking for problems.

Firefox is the only way to go!!!

[Popps]

There's a pretty good video on the internet of Steve Jobs giving a presentation about how a Mac won't crash. I think you can pretty easily make an educated guess as to what happens.

Well, all computers crash. The question is, how often, and what is the effect.
Since OSX, Mac's crashes have become app-specific... which has saved system problems. I don't think I've had a single system problem since OSX in relation to a crash. You just re-start, and you're good to go.

It does sound like your machine needs to be looked at. My mother just bought a new dual core iMac and she's not remotely computer savvy. She's had zero probs and is becoming a whiz at a number of apps. Mine most recent has been flawless out of the box.

It may be worth running a reinstall. It's about a 30 minute process with nothing but inserting a DVD and hitting continue a few times.

[Pendejo]

Well, all computers crash. The question is, how often, and what is the effect.
Since OSX, Mac's crashes have become app-specific... which has saved system problems. I don't think I've had a single system problem since OSX in relation to a crash. You just re-start, and you're good to go.

It does sound like your machine needs to be looked at. My mother just bought a new dual core iMac and she's not remotely computer savvy. She's had zero probs and is becoming a whiz at a number of apps. Mine most recent has been flawless out of the box.

It may be worth running a reinstall. It's about a 30 minute process with nothing but inserting a DVD and hitting continue a few times.

It's not to that point yet...I was just pointing out that Macs are flawed machines too. A self built XP machine can easily rival a Mac for stability in my experience...meaning the two I've built.

Mac has it over XP when it comes to security, but if an XP user pays any attention at all...those problems are easy to defeat. I think basically it all comes down to what you're used to. I'm keeping an open mind about the Mac I'm using...there are some really cool things...like being able to easily install an old bubble jet printer. (That came about because of Tiger. Previous operating systems wouldn't have been able to use this particular printer.)

I believe this is the first MacBook to incorporate an intel processor, so I'm guessing that is part of the problem. Perhaps I expected too much from Apple...because after all...all computers crash.

(Edit: I've never worked with an XP computer that's problem wasn't completely attributable to simple user error...or hardware malfunction. Apple is next...people have already shown that Apple's are easily hackable.)

[Play2win]

I wonder how much memory he's got in his Macbook.

Macs do require alot of memory

[Play2win]

I am about to get the 30" Cinema HD Display for my Powerbook G4. I can't wait!!!

[Pendejo]

I wonder how much memory he's got in his Macbook.

Macs do require alot of memory

1 gb 667 mhz ddr2 sdram

2ghz intel core duo

Plenty of power.

[Rock Chalk]

It's not to that point yet...I was just pointing out that Macs are flawed machines too. A self built XP machine can easily rival a Mac for stability in my experience...meaning the two I've built.

Mac has it over XP when it comes to security, but if an XP user pays any attention at all...those problems are easy to defeat. I think basically it all comes down to what you're used to. I'm keeping an open mind about the Mac I'm using...there are some really cool things...like being able to easily install an old bubble jet printer. (That came about because of Tiger. Previous operating systems wouldn't have been able to use this particular printer.)

I believe this is the first MacBook to incorporate an intel processor, so I'm guessing that is part of the problem. Perhaps I expected too much from Apple...because after all...all computers crash.

(Edit: I've never worked with an XP computer that's problem wasn't completely attributable to simple user error...or hardware malfunction. Apple is next...people have already shown that Apple's are easily hackable.)

Comparitively, Mac does not beat Windows in Security. Let me qualify this before the Apple fans murder me.

Mac, by ratio of attempted attacks, has more security holes than Windows. Considerng that about 1000 times the amount of people attempt to hack and get into Windows doing things that users dont want compared to Macs, they do not have 1000 times more flaws than Macs.

Windows biggest drawback, and this will likely never change, is patch Tuesday. Instead of fixing problems as soon as they are known like pretty much every other software company on the planet. MS waits for path tuesday every month to handle all of them. This is moronic at best considering everyone is getting updates all the time for every damn thing anyway and OS security problems are potentially much more severe than any other problems via software.

OS/X for Mac btw, is working on fixing a MAJOR security bug in their system. The cracks in Macs are beginning to show particularly now that more people are buying them and thus, they are being targeted slightly more than in previous years. Was bound to happen since programs are made by imperfect humans no matter and are far more complex than 99.99999% of the people that use them realize.

Linux sucks nuts all together.

I personally love XP. Its not the best Windows (that would be 2000), but its a huge step up from anything prior to 2000. Vista seems to be great and within a year I fully expect it to be just as polished as XP is now only better security.

Conversely, while I dislike Mac's completely and think Steve Jobs is a ****ing tard and all his fanboys can lick my nutsack, I do like OS X the best of all the OSs Ive ever used. It uses fewer resources, has good security and is "pretty" graphically (though that is a minor issue with me, functionality trumps that everytime, fortunately OS X has great functionality as well). My only beef with OS X is that its built for Macs and they dont offer one for PCs.

Id really like to see how well the programmers over at Apple can program something that has to be compatible with about a bazillion different products instead of just their own stuff and see how that compares to Windows.

[Pendejo]

Comparitively, Mac does not beat Windows in Security. Let me qualify this before the Apple fans murder me.

Mac, by ratio of attempted attacks, has more security holes than Windows. Considerng that about 1000 times the amount of people attempt to hack and get into Windows doing things that users dont want compared to Macs, they do not have 1000 times more flaws than Macs.


Right...in an inept way that's what I was alluding to.

Macs aren't superior machines. At least I haven't found them to be.

Good points Alec.

[Popps]

Id really like to see how well the programmers over at Apple can program something that has to be compatible with about a bazillion different products instead of just their own stuff and see how that compares to Windows.

90% of the peripherals you purchase now days can plug and play in a Mac, most without drivers. As for software, it's the individual companies that need to worry about programming their products for Windows and Mac. Mac is a sturdy, unix-based platform and you're now seeing software companies design for them, as well as Windows.

You're right about Mac-users being in the minority, and I couldn't be happier about that. Viruses will continue to be designed for Windows and while I run my business on rock-solid, stable machines that don't even hiccup for a period of years, many of my competitors spend half of their time/money replacing motherboards, PCUs and swapping out machines every year or so.

I do most of my work on-lot at a major television network that runs their entire facility on Macs, from production staff to editors, to accounting, etc.
We've got a couple of IT guys for our huge lot who basically sit around like the Maytag man doing nothing. I've have to call our help-line 3 times in the past two years... and for what? You guessed it, Microsoft Outlook.

But, it's amazing to work in a building full of people glued to computers all day long and never even hear the topic come up in conversation, as opposed to my mom's Windows based (government) company where she knows the IT guys on a first name basis.

Remember, Alex... your average person isn't nearly as PC-savvy as you, nor do they want to be. That's why I've converted the people close to me to Mac, and have been showered with thanks ever since. Funny part is, the two toughest nuts to crack were my dad and a buddy of mine.... both made the switch as opposed to buying yet another motherboard, etc. Now, they're total Mac-nazis. They're worse than me! LOL

As for Jobs, say what you want about him... but he's revolutionized the industry. From the iPod to the largest downloadable (pay) music service to the OS that Windows is doing their best to clone, you might not like him personally... but you have to give it up to what he's done.

Also... you CAN run OSX on a PC, from what I understand. There are people out there doing it. Google it, bro. Sounds like something someone with your skill-set could have some fun playing with.

[TheSportsGuru]

First and formost....

This is coming to you from Micorsoft Vista Ultimate running IE 7. I will say the Vista version of IE is much better than the XP version, so if you are experiencing trouble with IE install FireFox, it is smooth.

I run both Mac and PC, at work and at home. They have their strengths and they have their weaknesses. In my tech support experience, for as many different companies makes parts and software for PC's, Windows XP in amazingly stable. By being mainly proprietary, Mac has kept itself clean. That isn't a bad thing, but with the PC Market going the completey opposite direction from it's inception it's amazing it stays as stable as it does.

I rarely have driver issues with XP, though like anything else you get what you pay for...BY a cheap piece of hardware you probably are going to have a hard time. Mac doesn't even let you get the cheap hardware, so there really isn't a comparison.

And in regards to patch Tuesday, all critical security patch's are released when they are coded. That means if your machine is set up to receive and install updates, you will get them before Patch Tuesday.

My thoughts on Vista as a copy of OSX? Early Beta versions looked eerily similar. Luckily Microsoft made some changes and the final product has it's differences. It is much more secure, and for the 6 weeks I have been running it I have yet to have a peep of trouble.

Just my 2 cents.....

[Play2win]

Steve Jobs is the ELWAY of the Computer Industry.

[Play2win]

"People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware."

— Alan Kay

[ScottXray]

I've heard that XP is more stable. But, factor in the constant spyware/virus threat... and the lack of intuitive interface (which is why Vista is trying to clone OSX)... and it's still not worth messing with, to me.

I'll be curious to see how the Vista rates out as far as stability. It's supposed to be improved.

As far as Mac...what is so intuitive? I tried to use a couple of Macs and for a WINDOWS trained user a MAC is anything BUT intuitive. I found it to be confusing and it leaves crap all over the desktop (or whatever its called there.) everytime I tried to open something. Intuitive would be that the icons are self explanatory...which they aren't.

The spyware virus threat is a big problem, admittedly. But the core duo intel based macs are going to start having more viruses written for them, the more popular they get. Once the virus writers can screw with a large percentage of PC users (which Mac still isn't) by writing for OSX, they will.

And OSX is really based on a closed system unix/linux core, which is very evident when you get down to a command line interface in any Mac system.
The backdoors are always there, even in Unix systems. I am sure that apple has some security holes somewhere.

Anyway, the Macs are only more stable because apple limits the hardware that can be used in the Macs. They are CLOSED systems, therefore don't have the variety of compatibility problems that intel PCs (with open architecture and literally millions of possible equipment combinations available)
run on. When you consider the variety of the possible software and hardware combinations available to windows machines, what is amazing is that MOST of the time they run without problems. And when the right hardware and software is combined they will run better than most any mac, for almost any purpose.

[Ray_Lewis'_Victim]

Linux sucks nuts all together.


Suck MY nuts.

Linux is great because:
1, its free.
2, its stable.
3, xgl/compiz/beryl(AMAZING direct rendered desktop).
4, its free.
5, if you have to run windoze apps, you can with wine(although most common software has a native linux version or FOSS clone).
6, users can locate and fix problems because of the wealth of system logs and documentation
7, inCREDIBLY configureable
8, package managers, with most distros give one stop location for 1000s of apps and updates them/their dependencies EASILY
9, runs on everything from ipods, to macs, to pcs, to OLD machines, to PS3, to XBOX, to embedded apps, . . . . .
10, everyone loves penguins.

[LordHelmchen]

Windows biggest drawback, and this will likely never change, is patch Tuesday. Instead of fixing problems as soon as they are known like pretty much every other software company on the planet. MS waits for path tuesday every month to handle all of them. This is moronic at best considering everyone is getting updates all the time for every damn thing anyway and OS security problems are potentially much more severe than any other problems via software.


If they would put out the patches constantly it would have been a nightmare at my former job. Getting downtimes for all the machines I was responsible for was difficult enough once a month. With some of my customers the patching process would last a whole month till all machines were patched. (super critical patches would be sent to us right away btw, not only on patch Tuesday).
This certainly applies only for enterprise environments with lots of machines and complex applications running on them, I agree that for a home user the other way would be way better.
And for example for Solaris or HPUX you get monthly patching days as well.

[Popps]

I tried to use a couple of Macs and for a WINDOWS trained user a MAC is anything BUT intuitive. .

You sound like you had your mind made up before you ever gave it a real effort, which is fine. Like I said, I sincerely hope the majority of people stay in the Windows world. It gives my business a distinct advantage and keeps me virus free.

The real test is when someone has worked on both. I don't mean sat down at a friend's Mac or PC for a few minutes, I mean had to WORK on both machines for an extended period of time. I have, as have many of my colleagues. Of the probably 40-50 people I know who've had extensive experience with both, only 2 of them prefer to use Windows... and one of them makes his living as a Windows IT pro.

So, to each his own. But, the fact that Windows is desperately trying to clone Mac's OS at every turn should tell you which OS people find more intuitive.

[baja]

Haven't used Linux enough to say, but from what I understand... it's a great OS. But, it reminds me a bit of the Beta back in the early 80s when VHS took over. I'm just not sure it's ever going to be mainstream enough for your average computer buyer to make the commitment.

Even worse, most of the people out there who are going to give a dymanic OS like that a chance are Mac users, and with the recent upgrades to Mac OS and the Intel chips, it's believed that Linux is going to see more of its tiny share eaten away, not by Windows.. but by Mac. It's kind of a bummer, because I'd like to see both flourish and push one another to improve while Windows continues to chase both of them, putting out OS's like Vista... obviously a desperate attempt to clone OSX.

New York Times on Vista...

http://video.on.nytimes.com/ifr_main.jsp?nsid=a718aabc2:10f9191559a:-2227&rf=bm&fr_story=d14603c1e23e6ce37920a8134a2e27b1405a4991&st=1166380402813&mp=FLV&cpf=false&fvn=9&fr=121706_013322_718aabc2x10f9191559axw2226&rdm=626393.870785987

LOL

I have had my mac for two plus years now and I willnever own another PC. mac rocks

[baja]

I'd expect nothing less from one of the smartest guys on the forum.

:approve:

The 24" models are out of control! I got the 20 before those came out, or I'd be there with you. Beautiful display!

I got the 24" too, my slide shows and streaming movies from I Tunes = UNREAL GOOD.

[Popps]

In fact, don't believe me? Just ask Windows XP users.

These are all quotes from Amazon.com's customer reviews section from XP purchasers...

It ain't easy using WXP after 20 years on a Mac! But, needed the SW to run a PC only package for bu

I have an Intel Mac and will tell you that system 10 is a heck of alot easier to use. However there are times when you need a windows machine. Get boot camp from Apple for free and then buy a copy of windows xp service pack 2 and you can run just like a champ on the windows format.

Is fine unless you've been in the "Mac" world and it is cumbersome in comparison.

Trash XP; go with a Linux/Mac OS, August 1, 2006
Windows XP, and basically any other windows based OS is junk.

The Mac OS, $129 list, often cheaper, doesn't get viruses, worms, malware, etc and probably runs all the software you do on a PC, with the exception of some games. Go to a Mac Store and try it for yourself.

Runs great, on a Macintosh

It's a resource hog. Consider the fact that my Mac runs at about half the speed of my PC, and yet multitasks much, much better. Worse, XP is actually designed to perform badly. The default installation is set up to give you the worst possible performance (and the maximum possible eye candy). Sure, you can change it, but even if you do its performance lags far behind other operating systems.

If you're thinking of upgrading your system, do yourself a favor, and buy a piece of software that will actually function better than your current. Mandrake linux is a nice choice, and perfect for most users. If you have the money for a new computer, <u>buy a mac</u>. They're powerful, user-friendly, stable, and far more compatible than any windows junkie cares to admit.

- If you don't really need Windows (in other words, if you're not a gamer or need to run an application for work that's strictly Windows-only), consider switching to a Mac. Or even Linux if you're a power user.


To be fair... there was one guy who said he liked it about the same as Mac and one who said Mac's also have security issues. (Duh.)

Here's the most telling...

A year ago I bought two machines at the same time. One was an Apple Powerbook running Mac OS X Panther. The other was a premium, designed-for-XP machine with a 3 GHz Pentium 4 processor, 2 GB of RAM, and a 200GB drive - no expense was spared. The Mac laptop was running beautifully within an hour and has given me excellent service since, under rigourous conditions. It took me eight maddening days, assisted by a stack of books, the collected wisdom of the Internet, Microsoft support, and several trips to my dealer, to finally get XP running. An no, it wasn't a hardware problem.

Lest you think I'm clueless about computers: I have an B.Sc honours degree in computer science, graduate degrees in mathematics, and I've been using, administering, and programming into Microsoft operating systems for 20 years.

[Popps]

I got the 24" too, my slide shows and streaming movies from I Tunes = UNREAL GOOD.

You guy suck. You're going to force me to go buy one, now!

[Play2win]

I got the 24" too, my slide shows and streaming movies from I Tunes = UNREAL GOOD.

I was debating about getting one... But, instead, I am just going to get a 30" Cinema Display to go with my Powerbook G4.

That Display is really something. Its basically like having a dual-monitor setup in one display.

[LordHelmchen]

In fact, don't believe me? Just ask Windows XP
Here's the most telling...
...
A year ago I bought two machines at the same time. One was an Apple Powerbook running Mac OS X Panther. The other was a premium, designed-for-XP machine with a 3 GHz Pentium 4 processor, 2 GB of RAM, and a 200GB drive - no expense was spared. The Mac laptop was running beautifully within an hour and has given me excellent service since, under rigourous conditions. It took me eight maddening days, assisted by a stack of books, the collected wisdom of the Internet, Microsoft support, and several trips to my dealer, to finally get XP running. An no, it wasn't a hardware problem.

Lest you think I'm clueless about computers: I have an B.Sc honours degree in computer science, graduate degrees in mathematics, and I've been using, administering, and programming into Microsoft operating systems for 20 years.

LOL sorry, but he must be clueless... no hardware problem, but he needed 8 days to get Windows running? ROFL!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

So, to each his own. But, the fact that Windows is desperately trying to clone Mac's OS at every turn should tell you which OS people find more intuitive.
LOL
I guess you forgot to mention that Apple is now offering Windows compatible machines.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

LOL sorry, but he must be clueless... no hardware problem, but he needed 8 days to get Windows running? ROFL! :) Anyone who takes 8 days and a stack of books to get something running really ought not be trying to do anything more demanding than looking at a computer.

XP Pro self installs in about 23 minutes for me.

[scorpio]

My experience with people who have computer science degrees is that they know math and programming languages, and know absolutely nothing about actual computers. And believe me, I know a lot of them.

[LordHelmchen]

My experience with people who have computer science degrees is that they know math and programming languages, and know absolutely nothing about actual computers. And believe me, I know a lot of them.

same for me...

[LordHelmchen]

:) Anyone who takes 8 days and a stack of books to get something running really ought not be trying to do anything more demanding than looking at a computer.

XP Pro self installs in about 23 minutes for me.

absolutely ;D

[Popps]

My experience with people who have computer science degrees is that they know math and programming languages, and know absolutely nothing about actual computers. And believe me, I know a lot of them.

Depends which direction they head. My cousin was a comp-sci major and ended up in IT, installing Windows-based server systems/networks.

[Garcia Bronco]

I hate it !!!!!!!!! I had to update my comuter to even get on the net ...well that worked out fine for the most part until I updated to exporer 7 then all hell broke loose I then had major securty issues then I need to add a new securty upate.... explorer 7 made a real mess of the browser it still is not wright.... I went to my computer then control panel then internet settings then I reset the iternet explore settings noow it warned me that I should not do it unless my browser was not working at all well it was rolling really bad !!!!!! so I did it well it is way better but now the Orange Mane is white !!!

and the fonts are realy small could some one tell me how to atleast get some size back hope someone has some clues to all this crap it still is way slow compared to before I went to explorer 7 what BS!!! heck I feel like I am back to dial up !!! 7 sucks big time !!!!!!!!!


LOL...just reload you entire system and it will run great

[Garcia Bronco]

My experience with people who have computer science degrees is that they know math and programming languages, and know absolutely nothing about actual computers. And believe me, I know a lot of them.

I generally agree

[Popps]

LOL...just reload you entire system and it will run great

Ouch! That's cold.

[baja]

I was debating about getting one... But, instead, I am just going to get a 30" Cinema Display to go with my Powerbook G4.

That Display is really something. Its basically like having a dual-monitor setup in one display.

I was going to get the 30" but I couldn't figure how to get it on carry-on for a flight to Mexico. Turns out that I could have but it in checked baggage just like I ended up doing with my 24 inch montor. I am very happy with the 24 though.

[Popps]

I was going to get the 30" but I couldn't figure how to get it on carry-on for a flight to Mexico. Turns out that I could have but it in checked baggage just like I ended up doing with my 24 inch montor. I am very happy with the 24 though.

You see the Apple TV thing, Baja? Pretty cool. Shoots your iTunes movie downloads (or videos, etc.) over to your TV to watch. Sort of like a wireless Tivo. Don't know what the quality looks like, though. But, it would be nice to be able to download movies and wi-fi them right over to the plasma, as I don't watch a lot of stuff on my video ipod.

http://www.apple.com/appletv/

Might be particularly cool for you down there if you're not getting great TV options.

[baja]

You see the Apple TV thing, Baja? Pretty cool. Shoots your iTunes movie downloads (or videos, etc.) over to your TV to watch. Sort of like a wireless Tivo. Don't know what the quality looks like, though. But, it would be nice to be able to download movies and wi-fi them right over to the plasma, as I don't watch a lot of stuff on my video ipod.

http://www.apple.com/appletv/

Might be particularly cool for you down there if you're not getting great TV options.

Ya I read about it Popps as a matter of fact I'm kicking back in Honolulu right now and i went to the Apple Store just next to my hotel at the Ala Moana mall but they will not get the device until next month. i'm going to Pheonix and then Vegas soon so maybe they will have them there. I want one bad.

[Popps]

Ya I read about it Popps as a matter of fact I'm kicking back in Honolulu right now and i went to the Apple Store just next to my hotel at the Ala Moana mall but they will not get the device until next month. i'm going to Pheonix and then Vegas soon so maybe they will have them there. I want one bad.

I want to play around with the iPhone, too. But, it's pretty pricey and I'm not sure if you can unlock it. So, I may stick with my Treo. We'll see. It does look pretty amazing, but I'm not sure about the virtual keyboard. I'm pretty used to having one right at my disposal. (qwerty)

Apple TV is a no-brainer, though. I think it's $300, which isn't bad if the movie quality looks good enough. It would be nice to put together music video playlists and just loop them, not to mention the movies on demand aspect.
We'll see how the pic quality looks.

[Play2win]

I want the iPhone as SOON as they become available. One of the coolest devices EVER...

June 1st is going to be like Christmas Day. ;D

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I want to play around with the iPhone, too. But, it's pretty pricey and I'm not sure if you can unlock it. So, I may stick with my Treo. We'll see. It does look pretty amazing, but I'm not sure about the virtual keyboard. I'm pretty used to having one right at my disposal. (qwerty)

Apple TV is a no-brainer, though. I think it's $300, which isn't bad if the movie quality looks good enough. It would be nice to put together music video playlists and just loop them, not to mention the movies on demand aspect.
We'll see how the pic quality looks.
HD movies aren't DL friendly and there will be no reason to watch anything else in a year or so.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I want the iPhone as SOON as they become available. One of the coolest devices EVER...

June 1st is going to be like Christmas Day. ;DDepending on when they get out of court and how much it costs them for stealing the copyright 'iphone' from Cisco.

[Popps]

I want the iPhone as SOON as they become available. One of the coolest devices EVER...

June 1st is going to be like Christmas Day. ;D

I hear you. It's just, carrying around a $500 device I KNOW I'm going to drop is a tough decision. (Already dropped my Treo, but it works fine.)

Once I get my hands on it, I'm sure I'll have to have it, though. Integrates seamlessly with all OSX apps. That's just insane!!

[LordHelmchen]

Depending on when they get out of court and how much it costs them for stealing the copyright 'iphone' from Cisco.


yup :afro: go Cisco ;D

[Bronco_Beerslug]

For the adventurous types here's a screenshot of the desktop of the new XP Black editions out there.



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Full image (http://i18.tinypic.com/47cz7ls.jpg)

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/9526/xpblkheavyresizege1.jpg

[Popps]

Another unbiased third party (actually a former "Windows Apologist) dubs Vista a clumsy OSX wanna-be....

http://www.technologyreview.com/Infotech/17992/page1/

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Another unbiased third party (actually a former "Windows Apologist) dubs Vista a clumsy OSX wanna-be....

http://www.technologyreview.com/Infotech/17992/page1/

Uh, she hasn't even used the RTM yet, only the RC1 and she's saying she knows all about it? Sorry, that doesn't wash. I've been using the RTM for about a month now and it's very nice!

But one thing Apple users now have to worry about is what Windows users had to.... viruses.

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Description: (http://secunia.com/advisories/23796/?show_all_related=1#related)
KF has reported a vulnerability in Apple Mac OS X, which can be exploited by malicious, local users to cause a DoS (Denial of Service) and potentially to gain escalated privileges.

The vulnerability is caused due to a boundary error within the SLP daemon ("slpd") when processing the "attr-list" field of a registration request. This can be exploited to cause a buffer overflow, resulting in a crash of the service or potentially in execution of arbitrary code with escalated privileges.

The vulnerability is reported in Mac OS X 10.4.8 (8L2127) on a x86 platform. Other versions may also be affected.

Solution:
Grant only trusted users access to affected systems.

Disable the service.

Provided and/or discovered by:
KF



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