Report: Barry Bonds failed amphetamine test; blamed a team mate

[Taco John]

Report: Barry Bonds failed amphetamine test

Wednesday, January 10, 2007

Barry Bonds failed a test for amphetamines last season and originally blamed it on a teammate, the Daily News reported Thursday.


When first informed of the positive test, Bonds attributed it to a substance he had taken from teammate Mark Sweeney's locker, the New York City newspaper said, citing several unnamed sources.


"I have no comment on that," Bonds' agent Jeff Borris told the Daily News on Wednesday night.


"Mark was made aware of the fact that his name had been brought up," Sweeney's agent Barry Axelrod told the Daily News. "But he did not give Barry Bonds anything, and there was nothing he could have given Barry Bonds."


Bonds, who always has maintained he never has tested positive for illegal drug use, already is under investigation for lying about steroid use.


A federal grand jury is investigating whether the 42-year-old Bonds perjured himself when he testified in 2003 in the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative steroid distribution case that he never knowingly used performance-enhancing drugs. The San Francisco Giants slugger told a 2003 federal grand jury that he believed his trainer Greg Anderson had provided him flaxseed oil and arthritic balm, not steroids.


Under baseball's amphetamines policy, which went into effect last season, players are not publicly identified for a first positive test. A second positive test for amphetamines results in a 25-game suspension. The first failed steroids test costs a player 50 games.


Bonds did not appeal the positive test, according to the Daily News, which made him subject to six drug tests by MLB over the next six months.


"We're not in a position to confirm or deny, obviously," MLB spokesman Rich Levin told the Daily News.


According to the newspaper, Sweeney learned of the Bonds' positive test from Gene Orza, chief operating officer of the Major League Baseball Players Association. Orza told Sweeney, the paper said, that he should remove any troublesome substances from his locker and should not share said substances. Sweeney said there was nothing of concern in his locker, according to the Daily News' sources.


An AP message for Sweeney was not immediately returned late Wednesday.


The Giants still are working to finalize complicated language in Bonds' $16 million, one-year contract for next season — a process that has lasted almost a month since he agreed to the deal Dec. 7 on the last day of baseball's winter meetings.


The language still being negotiated concerns the left fielder's compliance with team rules, as well as what would happen if he were to be indicted or have other legal troubles.


Borris has declined to comment on the negotiations. He didn't immediately return a message from the AP on Wednesday night.


Bonds is set to begin his 15th season with the Giants only 22 home runs shy of surpassing Hank Aaron's career record of 755.


Bonds, considered healthy again following offseason surgery on his troublesome left elbow, has spent 14 of his 21 big league seasons with San Francisco and helped the Giants draw 3 million fans in all seven seasons at their waterfront ballpark.


After missing all but 14 games in 2005 following three operations on his right knee, Bonds batted .270 with 26 homers and 77 RBIs in 367 at-bats in 2006. He passed Babe Ruth to move into second place on the career home run list May 28.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/01/10/sports/s232644S15.DTL

[Taco John]

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/baseball/mlb/01/11/bonds.amphetamines/p1.daily.news.bonds.jpg

[Kaylore]

Barry Bonds doesn't just take Amphetamines for the Children, he takes them for America.;D

[24champ]

Screw the Midgets...

http://www.rmrcpa.com/dodgerdogs/files/giants_fan_crying_525.jpg
http://static.flickr.com/38/82797593_6eb42af9a6_m.jpg

[Atlas]

Barry bonds has never taken steroids. Look at the pictures. The one on the left is Barry in Little league when he was 12 years old. The one on the right is Barry in MLB. He isn't on steroids, he just grew up.
http://www.tvsquad.com/media/2006/03/Barry-Bonds-rookie-card.jpghttp://whyfiles.org/213steroid/images/barryswings.jpg

[epicSocialism4tw]

Barry Bonds is a train wreck.

[OrangeShadow]

boy, knock me over with a feather.

[GonzoLays]

Who cares? What does it matter?

Breaking news: John Lynch spotted having a alcoholic beverage!!

So Barry likes a little speed every once in a while. Big freaking deal. Speed enhances your performance game as much as a joint or a beer.



In more important news that was failed to be mentioned by this board, Roger Clemens* is a roidhead.

Roger Clemens* Likes To Shoot Steroids In His Ass

The Los Angeles Times is reporting that Clemens*, his good pal Andy Pettitte, and Miguel Tejada were among those accused of using performance-enhancers in the Jason Grimsley affidavit....The Times says they got access to a non-redacted version of the document in which former Arizona Diamondback Jason Grimsley identified Major League Baseball players who used drugs. Grimsley, according to them, told investigators that Clemens and Pettitte used "athletic performance-enhancing drugs"....

http://images.chron.com/content/news/photos/04/01/08/clemens/ut83.jpghttp://images.chron.com/content/news/photos/04/01/08/clemens/batthrow00.jpg

Innocence......................................... ........................ Roid Rage

[-Slap-]

Screw the Midgets...

http://www.rmrcpa.com/dodgerdogs/files/giants_fan_crying_525.jpg


Man, that's an ugly broad.

[-Slap-]

http://images.chron.com/content/news/photos/04/01/08/clemens/ut83.jpghttp://images.chron.com/content/news/photos/04/01/08/clemens/batthrow00.jpg


What's interesting about these pictures, is Clemens pretty much already has the physique at 20, that he has at 40.

No failed drug test. No admission before grand jury that he used The Clear. Like B*rry.

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/9525/9150280barrybondscz0.jpghttp://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7733/ph2005091901164xw5.jpg

Clemens might be dirty, based on hearsay. B*nds has a mountain of evidence stacked against his punk ass. Drug addict piece of ****, just like his worthless daddy.

[ol number 7]

Barry Bonds is a train wreck.

Once again Barry is the victim of another person trying to ruin his career.

Take some responsiblity. See steroids shrinks your nuts as well as your brain.

He now has nuts the size of peas and a brain maybe smaller. No cup for Barry when a thimble will now do.

[watermock]

It's all a conspiracy...the meth was planted in another player's locker. Who can blame Barroid?

This is all Mark Sweeney's fault.

Someone explain to me why Sweeney didn't test postive. I've never seen such a lying sack in my life.

[Jason in LA]

Man, that's an ugly broad.

That's a woman? When I first looked at that photo it never crossed my mind that it was a woman. That's gotta suck.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Of course he would blame a team mate. Do you think he has the balls to actualy accept responsability?

[Rohirrim]

Well, MLB had Mr. October. Now it has Mr. Character.

[Rock Chalk]

Why is it OK for Gonzo to be racist? I just dont get it.

[defenseman]

Barry Bonds is a liar and he cheats to boot from where I sit. If the voters for the baseball HOF let this bozo in, BASEBALL has a HUGE problem, the Barry Bond's of the world are dragging it down. Feakin idiots in charge and guys like Bonds flourish in this sport. Suspend his dum a$$, boot him, do whatever. But fix this problem. Freakin cheaters like bonds should be gone...dman

[ludo21]

The fact that he steps up and blames this on a teammate shows what kind of guy he is.

[defenseman]

Why is it OK for Gonzo to be racist? I just dont get it.

How so?...dman

[Arkansas Bronco]

Why is it OK for Gonzo to be racist? I just dont get it.

I think the only race that cant be racist are us white people. Everyone else has free range to hate on us for what ever reason they feel justified.

[Arkansas Bronco]

I bet Rodgers is using cause no one can age and gain speed. And I am sure glad as hell McGuire didnt get in the other day.

[Rock Chalk]

I dont know if Rocket is using roids or not and since he isnt an Astro anymore I feel no need to defend him if he is.

[-Slap-]

That's a woman? When I first looked at that photo it never crossed my mind that it was a woman. That's gotta suck.

Its neither male nor female.

Its a Vermeil.

Hilarious!

[BroncoInferno]

http://www.rmrcpa.com/dodgerdogs/files/giants_fan_crying_525.jpg

Its neither male nor female.

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00008L3TW.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Garcia Bronco]

All baseball players have taken amphetamine since the 60's. They call them greenies.

[Garcia Bronco]

What's interesting about these pictures, is Clemens pretty much already has the physique at 20, that he has at 40.

No failed drug test. No admission before grand jury that he used The Clear. Like B*rry.

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/9525/9150280barrybondscz0.jpghttp://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7733/ph2005091901164xw5.jpg

Clemens might be dirty, based on hearsay. B*nds has a mountain of evidence stacked against his punk ass. Drug addict piece of ****, just like his worthless daddy.

This picture bull**** people try to use as evidence is funny. It literally means nothing. Anybody can workout, eat, and gain muscle mass without taking anything.

[BroncoInferno]

This picture bull**** people try to use as evidence is funny. It literally means nothing. Anybody can workout, eat, and gain muscle mass without taking anything.

Over a six month period in their mid-30s? Hilarious! OK, sure.

[Garcia Bronco]

Over a six month period in their mid-30s? Hilarious! OK, sure.

Those two pictures listed above aren't in that time frame.

[defenseman]

I think the only race that cant be racist are us white people. Everyone else has free range to hate on us for what ever reason they feel justified.

That, based on current events and attitudes, I do agree with. Sometimes, you are at a disadvantage, at least perception wise, being caucasian..dman

[Spider]

This picture bull**** people try to use as evidence is funny. It literally means nothing. Anybody can workout, eat, and gain muscle mass without taking anything.

depends on your age ............. in my 20's I was buff , cut , ripped , whatever you kids call it today , after my surgery , I went from 220 and a 29 inch waist line to 250+ and a 36 waist .........after 2 years of watching what I ate ,exercising , I dropped 40 pounds and down to a 32 in waist ............
moving up to heavier chains to secure my loads has done wonders , but nothing compared to Bonds

[Garcia Bronco]

depends on your age ............. in my 20's I was buff , cut , ripped , whatever you kids call it today , after my surgery , I went from 220 and a 29 inch waist line to 250+ and a 36 waist .........after 2 years of watching what I ate ,exercising , I dropped 40 pounds and down to a 32 in waist ............
moving up to heavier chains to secure my loads has done wonders , but nothing compared to Bonds

But you aren't on a workout schedule where you work your muscles every day. Plus, you take can take weight gainer as well.

[Taco John]

Who cares? What does it matter?

Breaking news: John Lynch spotted having a alcoholic beverage!!

So Barry likes a little speed every once in a while. Big freaking deal. Speed enhances your performance game as much as a joint or a beer.






I had a little laugh to myself when I submitted this topic, wondering how in the world Gonzo would try to rationalize this as no big deal.

He didn't disappoint! ROFL!

[mattbeymvp]

Barry Bonds is a liar and he cheats to boot from where I sit. If the voters for the baseball HOF let this bozo in, BASEBALL has a HUGE problem, the Barry Bond's of the world are dragging it down. Feakin idiots in charge and guys like Bonds flourish in this sport. Suspend his dum a$$, boot him, do whatever. But fix this problem. Freakin cheaters like bonds should be gone...dman

Here's the thing, Bonds was a Hall of Fame player before he even considered taking steroids. Even if you discount every season where he was remotely suspected of juicing, he had a Hall of Fame career.

I'm not so sure that he doesn't deserve to be in. If you discount the statistics entirely, you're left with legitimate numbers that put him in the upper echelon of players to ever play tarnished by ethical and moral hang ups.

And, as long as Ty Cobb is in, a man who practically committed attempted murder on another player solely because he was black, I don't think that kind of thing should remove a player from consideration.

[Spider]

But you aren't on a workout schedule where you work your muscles every day. Plus, you take can take weight gainer as well.

no I am not on a schedule , but I do work my muscles everyday , just got done at 6:00 am( started @ 4:30 am) this morning dolling up and down trailers to shuttle them from yard to yard pulling 5 th wheel pins ...

[Taco John]

Why is it OK for Gonzo to be racist? I just dont get it.


I haven't read anything in this thread from Gonzo that is even remotely racist.

[Arkansas Bronco]

I haven't read anything in this thread from Gonzo that is even remotely racist.

Me either I just responded based on his normal self.

[bendog]

**** Bonds, but and realizing I'm hijacking, how would steroids help a dead armed pitcher get his fast ball back?

There was a novel by a sports writer awhile back about a pitcher with the red sox who loses his fastball after being injured in a drunken brawl. He gets it back after meeting this japanese masseuse who does some deep muscle work and prescribes a holisitic lifestyle. I forgot the writer's name, but he's got a series of murder mysteries with a sports agent too.

[pedro]

That, based on current events and attitudes, I do agree with. Sometimes, you are at a disadvantage, at least perception wise, being caucasian..dman


...and the world's heart breaks as it considers the plight of downtrodden white people everywhere...

C'mon friend, you're not serious, are you?

[pedro]

Hello to all, by the way, from a newbie.

[bendog]

...and the world's heart breaks as it considers the plight of downtrodden white people everywhere...

C'mon friend, you're not serious, are you?

Heck no. Let me tell you it's no damn picnic here in Mississippi being a fat angry old white guy. Then I got that damn congressman John Conyors, or whomever he is, from New York City dissing me saying "nobody in their right mind wants to live in Mississippi." Yeah sure, just rub my nose it ... that bastard. Go out to eat here, and if you order surf and turf, yer lucky to get fried catfish and chicken fried stake ... if yer unlucky you get fried buffalo fish and chitlins or pigs feet, which ironically are tastier than the damn catfish and chicken fried stake. :welcome:

[Spider]

Heck no. Let me tell you it's no damn picnic here in Mississippi being a fat angry old white guy. Then I got that damn congressman John Conyors, or whomever he is, from New York City dissing me saying "nobody in their right mind wants to live in Mississippi." Yeah sure, just rub my nose it ... that bastard. Go out to eat here, and if you order surf and turf, yer lucky to get fried catfish and chicken fried stake ... if yer unlucky you get fried buffalo fish and chitlins or pigs feet, which ironically are tastier than the damn catfish and chicken fried stake. :welcome:

well if you quit farting in co workers offices , you would get alot futher ;D

[labronx]

All baseball players have taken amphetamine since the 60's. They call them greenies.
acutally the 50's

[-Slap-]

This picture bull**** people try to use as evidence is funny. It literally means nothing. Anybody can workout, eat, and gain muscle mass without taking anything.

You're simply not smart enough for this conversation, Garcia.

I'm sorry.

[-Slap-]

Here's the thing, Bonds was a Hall of Fame player before he even considered taking steroids. Even if you discount every season where he was remotely suspected of juicing, he had a Hall of Fame career.

I'm not so sure that he doesn't deserve to be in. If you discount the statistics entirely, you're left with legitimate numbers that put him in the upper echelon of players to ever play tarnished by ethical and moral hang ups.

And, as long as Ty Cobb is in, a man who practically committed attempted murder on another player solely because he was black, I don't think that kind of thing should remove a player from consideration.

What black player did Cobb attempt to murder?

He retired decades before Jackie Robinson and Larry Doby broke the color line.

Let's say Ty Cobb actually killed three black people a week throughout his career. What competitive advantage did that give him on the field?

[mattbeymvp]

What black player did Cobb attempt to murder?

He retired decades before Jackie Robinson and Larry Doby broke the color line.

Let's say Ty Cobb actually killed three black people a week throughout his career. What competitive advantage did that give him on the field?

You're right, I don't think the guy was black, but Cobb spiked a guy intentionally and caused him to bleed heavily because he didn't like him.

Also, Bonds was a Hall of Famer before he took anything to give him a competitive advantage on the field.

[Dukes]

* That little punctuation is all Bonds deserves.

[mattbeymvp]

He was the best player in the league from 1990-2000

[bendog]

You're right, I don't think the guy was black, but Cobb spiked a guy intentionally and caused him to bleed heavily because he didn't like him.

Also, Bonds was a Hall of Famer before he took anything to give him a competitive advantage on the field.

Making him stupid/mentally ill on top of being a racist cheater.

I'm somewhat lost on the cobb analogy though. Yes, Cobb was a racist ahole.

[Garcia Bronco]

You're simply not smart enough for this conversation, Garcia.

I'm sorry.

If you want to talk about Bonds and steriods and the fact that MLB baseball has been tainted since the mid 1900's all off-season...I'll be happy to do it with you. As far as smart enough and such....remember...when you point a finger at someone else...there are 3 pointing back at you.

[-Slap-]

He was the best player in the league from 1990-2000

2000 was his first big roid year.

from 1990-1999, he batted under the Mendoza line in the post season.

One (1) home run and six RBI in 97 post seasons ABs. from 1991-2000.

Do you realize that makes him the worst big game performer in baseball history, pre-BALCO?

[-Slap-]

If you want to talk about Bonds and steriods and the fact that MLB baseball has been tainted since the mid 1900's all off-season...I'll be happy to do it with you. As far as smart enough and such....remember...when you point a finger at someone else...there are 3 pointing back at you.

And the NFL is far worse.

Ever heard of the Carolina Panthers?

Ever heard of the squashed drug tests for star players in the 80s.

Take your own advice about pointing fingers.

[Garcia Bronco]

no I am not on a schedule , but I do work my muscles everyday , just got done at 6:00 am( started @ 4:30 am) this morning dolling up and down trailers to shuttle them from yard to yard pulling 5 th wheel pins ...

Right...but it's not a controlled workout isolating various muscle groups

[mattbeymvp]

2000 was his first big roid year.

from 1990-1999, he batted under the Mendoza line in the post season.

One (1) home run and six RBI in 97 post seasons ABs. from 1991-2000.

Do you realize that makes him the worst big game performer in baseball history, pre-BALCO?

Should Dan Marino be kept from Canton then?

[Garcia Bronco]

And the NFL is far worse.

Ever heard of the Carolina Panthers?

Ever heard of the squashed drug tests for star players in the 80s.

Take your own advice about pointing fingers.

Performance enhancers...since the 50's. You, Slap, need to admit that all baseball is tainted from the 50's on. Making your Bonds hate utterly retarded. If you hate bonds...you have to hate just about all of them.

I don't have a problem with players taking roids or whatever...you do. I use words like "tainted" explain to you what a hypocrit you are on this subject.

[BroncoInferno]

Garcia, are seriously going to compare what were essentially caffeine pills to substances that make pipsqueaks like Brady Anderson hit 50 HRs? There is a limit to relativism.

[-Slap-]

Performance enhancers...since the 50's. You, Slap, need to admit that all baseball is tainted from the 50's on. Making your Bonds hate utterly retarded. If you hate bonds...you have to hate just about all of them.

I don't have a problem with players taking roids or whatever...you do. I use words like "tainted" explain to you what a hypocrit you are on this subject.

I'll admit you're not very intelligent and that I'm not the only one who's made that observation.

[bendog]

Should Dan Marino be kept from Canton then?

GD, Did Marino take 'roids? I thought all I could blame him for was the glove commericals and that weight loss thing he advertised. I tried it once. The hamburgers were smaller than white castles.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Should Mattbeymvp be kicked off the board ???

[Garcia Bronco]

Garcia, are seriously going to compare what were essentially caffeine pills to substances that make pipsqueaks like Brady Anderson hit 50 HRs? There is a limit to relativism.

It's also relative from person to person depending on their need. So why split hairs? A performance enhancer is a performancer enhancer....doesn't matter if it's speed or wisterol. So if you crucify Bonds, you have to crucify everybody else that does it...no matter how big or small.

[mattbeymvp]

GD, Did Marino take 'roids? I thought all I could blame him for was the glove commericals and that weight loss thing he advertised. I tried it once. The hamburgers were smaller than white castles.

The point was made that even though Bonds had the best statistical decade in the 90s of any player, his statistics in the post season were atrocious.

Marino lost his teams playoff games with his poor play in the post season. I don't see how post season statistics are that relevant when dealing with the kind of dominance Bonds showed in the 90s.

[-Slap-]

Should Dan Marino be kept from Canton then?

He was the best quarterback of his era then?

When did I say keep B*nds out of Cooperstown anyway? I'm content with keeping his piece of trash daddy out.

B*rroid has done nothing but disgrace himself and piss on his own legacy. He would have gone down as one of the top 50 players ever, but now he'll simply be remembered and a cheater who always choked in the clutch.

[Garcia Bronco]

I'll admit you're not very intelligent and that I'm not the only one who's made that observation.

See how you've tried to make this about me rather than the topic. That tells me what I need to know. You are in a battle of wits and clearly unarmed. You know you're a hypocrit on this subject, and like a cronic homophobic bigot wife beater, you just can't seem to admit you have a problem.

[Atlas]

Who cares? What does it matter?

Breaking news: John Lynch spotted having a alcoholic beverage!!

So Barry likes a little speed every once in a while. Big freaking deal. Speed enhances your performance game as much as a joint or a beer.



In more important news that was failed to be mentioned by this board, Roger Clemens* is a roidhead.

Roger Clemens* Likes To Shoot Steroids In His Ass

The Los Angeles Times is reporting that Clemens*, his good pal Andy Pettitte, and Miguel Tejada were among those accused of using performance-enhancers in the Jason Grimsley affidavit....The Times says they got access to a non-redacted version of the document in which former Arizona Diamondback Jason Grimsley identified Major League Baseball players who used drugs. Grimsley, according to them, told investigators that Clemens and Pettitte used "athletic performance-enhancing drugs"....

http://images.chron.com/content/news/photos/04/01/08/clemens/ut83.jpghttp://images.chron.com/content/news/photos/04/01/08/clemens/batthrow00.jpg

Innocence......................................... ........................ Roid Rage

I don't think this is really a big deal. IMO 80% of MLB was taking one form of steroid or another at one point in their career. Only thing you can do is put an asterick next to this era and just call it the steroid era. I don't blame the players really. The owners and the Commissioner let it happen. They knew it was going on and did nothing about it. The players knew this and realized that their livelyhood was at stake.

[-Slap-]

Should Mattbeymvp be kicked off the board ???

No way. I don't always agree with him, but he has the ability to debate honestly, which is rare in these parts.

[bendog]

It's not bonds, it's all the guys taking 'roids. At least McGwire had the stones to be honest. And I think it should cost him the Hall.

Matt does make an interesting pt, that even w/o roids Barroid prolly had a HOF career. Whattaya think? Hall, but the asterick by Aaron and Ruth?

[BroncoInferno]

It's also relative from person to person depending on their need. So why split hairs? A performance enhancer is a performancer enhancer....doesn't matter if it's speed or wisterol. So if you crucify Bonds, you have to crucify everybody else that does it...no matter how big or small.

Two points:

1) You are comparing candy bar theft to grand theft auto. There is a difference and we rightly treat each case differently depending on severity.

2) The whole "greenies" thing came to light years later with little to no surviving evuidence against alleged abusers versus Barry Bonds who has actually admitted using illegal substances and in this case physically failed a drug test.

[mattbeymvp]

He was the best quarterback of his era then?

When did I say keep B*nds out of Cooperstown anyway? I'm content with keeping his piece of trash daddy out.

B*rroid has done nothing but disgrace himself and piss on his own legacy. He would have gone down as one of the top 50 players ever, but now he'll simply be remembered and a cheater who always choked in the clutch.

Statistically Marino was. Overall, Elway was clearly better.

[-Slap-]

See how you've tried to make this about me rather than the topic. That tells me what I need to know. You are in a battle of wits and clearly unarmed. You know you're a hypocrit on this subject, and like a cronic homophobic bigot wife beater, you just can't seem to admit you have a problem.

Most people think you're dumb.

[Arkansas Bronco]

I don't think this is really a big deal. IMO 80% of MLB was taking one form of steroid or another at one point in their career. Only thing you can do is put an asterick next to this era and just call it the steroid era. I don't blame the players really. The owners and the Commissioner let it happen. They knew it was going on and did nothing about it. The players knew this and realized that their livelyhood was at stake.

You are probably right on this. They almost killed the sport with that 94 strike. And that stupid McGuire/Sosa hr race is what got alot of people back.

[bendog]

so how do roids cure a dead arm on a power pitcher? seriously. It's an honest question

[-Slap-]

Two points:

1) You are comparing candy bar theft to grand theft auto. There is a difference and we rightly treat each case differently depending on severity.

2) The whole "greenies" thing came to light years later with little to no surviving evuidence against alleged abusers versus Barry Bonds who has actually admitted using illegal substances and in this case physically failed a drug test.

Garcia is essentially a troll.

[Garcia Bronco]

Most people think you're dumb.

No they don't. They tell you that to make you feel better.

[Arkansas Bronco]

No way. I don't always agree with him, but he has the ability to debate honestly, which is rare in these parts.

Oh I know he can debate his point I just dont like the guy.

[-Slap-]

You are probably right on this. They almost killed the sport with that 94 strike. And that stupid McGuire/Sosa hr race is what got alot of people back.

People were going to come back anyway.

I don't deny the baseball owners and Selig are also culpable, but you're giving these guys a BS excuse.

If the bank down the street has lax security, should I be allowed to rob them at will?

Of course not. Wrong is wrong.

[mattbeymvp]

so how do roids cure a dead arm on a power pitcher? seriously. It's an honest question

It depends on what you mean by a dead arm, steroids can speed up healing processes. Also, having stronger muscles in your torso can help speed up a fastball.

Steroids allow players to workout (and practice) longer than other players would be able to.

[bendog]

Oh I know he can debate his point I just dont like the guy.
roflmfao

[OrangeShadow]

The major difference bewteen the issue with steroids in football and baseball is, in baseball, performance enhancing drugs are assisting athletes in chasing and even breaking one of the most sacred records in the game, the home run title.
Football is already such a brute(for lack of a better word) sport that people tend to over look situations like merrimans. Football players are already big and the game is already warrior like. If steroids helped merriman break the sack record or if they help a quarteback break the touchdown record im sure people would have much more of a problem with it.
If Bonds wasnt chasing home run history would people be making such a big deal about this? I tend to doubt it.

[Bronco LB 59]

This story sums up Barry Bonds in a nutshell.

Mark Sweeney might the best clubhouse guy in baseball. Throughout his entire career, he's been known as a guy who comes up with nicknames for every player on the team. Sweeney was the guy who came up with the mock "American Idol" idea as a team bonding event last Spring Training. This was shown on ESPN last year showing Bonds dressed up like Paula Abdul in a wig and dress.

Sweeney supported Bonds last year, went well out of his way to be a good teammate and this is what he gets in return.

As person, Bonds is just a notch below Pol Pot in my eyes. Ratting out teammates is probably as low as it gets in professional sports.

[mattbeymvp]

This story sums up Barry Bonds in a nutshell.

Mark Sweeney might the best clubhouse guy in baseball. Throughout his entire career, he's been known as a guy who comes up with nicknames for every player on the team. Sweeney was the guy who came up with the mock "American Idol" idea as a team bonding event last Spring Training. This was shown on ESPN last year showing Bonds dressed up like Paula Abdul in a wig and dress.

Sweeney supported Bonds last year, went well out of his way to be a good teammate and this is what he gets in return.

As person, Bonds is just a notch below Pol Pot in my eyes. Ratting out teammates is probably as low as gets in professional sports.

Yes, lying about drugs and genocide are very close together.

[broncocalijohn]

That's a woman? When I first looked at that photo it never crossed my mind that it was a woman. That's gotta suck.

Jason, we are talking SF here. In fact both photos are of chicks! Yes, even the bearded lady looks sad. WHere is my fav avatar that Mock gets his speedo panties all knotted up like dingleberries? Gotta dig it up. I love Gonzo and his positive spin on illegal drugs. He cant see through his myopic glasses.

[Garcia Bronco]

Two points:

1) You are comparing candy bar theft to grand theft auto. There is a difference and we rightly treat each case differently depending on severity.

2) The whole "greenies" thing came to light years later with little to no surviving evuidence against alleged abusers versus Barry Bonds who has actually admitted using illegal substances and in this case physically failed a drug test.

1)Doesn't matter if you steal a candy bar or a truck...it's still a thief.
2)It doesn't excuse that it happened and it's documented. Various TV interviews I have seen with players form the era said they all did in their respective club houses.

[Garcia Bronco]

Garcia is essentially a troll.

Well...you are all class then

[DBroncos4life]

The guy I work out with is pretty good size. He used to be a trainer. I started working out with him two months ago, 6 days a week. He started on THG not to long ago so I'll let you know what he ends up looking like. I can tell you this I take stuff, nothing like that but I've seen nice gains in two months at 6 days a week. At most we work out a hour and a half. While I hate Bonds and everything he stands for IF and I mean IF he does work out the way that he claims he does its not impossible to think that he could get that big with other things besides THG or Roids. That said I do think he is a juicer.

[BroncoInferno]

1)Doesn't matter if you steal a candy bar or a truck...it's still a thief.

Oh, please...do we punish the candy bar thief with anywhere close to the same severity as the car thief? No. You aren't suggesting we should, are you? It is absolutely absurd to suggest they are equally as bad and should be treated the same. Absurd. I think you know that and have just locked yourself into an argument.

2)It doesn't excuse that it happened and it's documented. Various TV interviews I have seen with players form the era said they all did in their respective club houses.

Did any of the accused fail a drug test? Are you suggesting there is no difference between information that is months old and can be verified versus information that is decades old and therefore nearly impossible to verify?

Your attempt at relativism here is not going very well.

[Garcia Bronco]

The guy I work out with is pretty good size. He used to be a trainer. I started working out with him two months ago, 6 days a week. He started on THG not to long ago so I'll let you know what he ends up looking like. I can tell you this I take stuff, nothing like that but I've seen nice gains in two months at 6 days a week. At most we work out a hour and a half. While I hate Bonds and everything he stands for IF and I mean IF he does work out the way that he claims he does its not impossible to think that he could get that big with other things besides THG or Roids. That said I do think he is a juicer.

Many of these athletes are on muscle enhancers in all sports, but the idea that the results come for free are sorely off the mark. The gym time must be paid. People forget that when they discuss this stuff.

[Garcia Bronco]

Oh, please...do we punish the candy bar thief with anywhere close to the same severity as the car thief? No. You aren't suggesting we should, are you? It is absolutely absurd to suggest they are equally as bad and should be treated the same. Absurd. I think you know that and have just locked yourself into an argument.



Did any of the accused fail a drug test? Are you suggesting there is no difference between information that is months old and can be verified versus information that is decades old and therefore nearly impossible to verify?

Your attempt at relativism here is not going very well.

We aren't talking about punishment here...we are talking about calling a spade a spade. Our discussion here has nothing to do with the tangible consequences put on these offenders both in sports and your analogy. A thief is a thief and a cheater is a cheater. Ergo, the moral consequences are the same. Make sense?

[CBF1]

I blame it on Griese.

[DBroncos4life]

Many of these athletes are on muscle enhancers in all sports, but the idea that the results come for free are sorely off the mark. The gym time must be paid. People forget that when they discuss this stuff.

I stack stuff from a company called BSN. I've lost weight and gained muscle pretty fast after just a month. I went a month without using stuff then during the second month I started using. It does help but it also helps having a guy push me the way that he does. If a pro athlete works out 3 to 6 hours a day then I can see why they get huge, but the thing I don't get is how they don't get tired.

[BroncoInferno]

We aren't talking about punishment here...we are talking about calling a spade a spade. Our discussion here has nothing to do with the tangible consequences put on these offenders both in sports and your analogy. A thief is a thief and a cheater is a cheater. Ergo, the moral consequences are the same. Make sense?

In a world of relativism, sure, makes sense. In the real world, where you have grey areas, adults tend to judge things on a case by case basis and not with a broad brush stroke.

[bendog]

I blame it on Griese.

Yah, at least he's a jerk, while Sweeny's a decent guy.

[Rock Chalk]

This story sums up Barry Bonds in a nutshell.

Mark Sweeney might the best clubhouse guy in baseball. Throughout his entire career, he's been known as a guy who comes up with nicknames for every player on the team. Sweeney was the guy who came up with the mock "American Idol" idea as a team bonding event last Spring Training. This was shown on ESPN last year showing Bonds dressed up like Paula Abdul in a wig and dress.

Sweeney supported Bonds last year, went well out of his way to be a good teammate and this is what he gets in return.

As person, Bonds is just a notch below Pol Pot in my eyes. Ratting out teammates is probably as low as it gets in professional sports.


Yeah because ratting on someone else right or wrong is so much worse than killing a million of your own people.

That might be the dumbest comment ever.

[Garcia Bronco]

I stack stuff from a company called BSN. I've lost weight and gained muscle pretty fast after just a month. I went a month without using stuff then during the second month I started using. It does help but it also helps having a guy push me the way that he does. If a pro athlete works out 3 to 6 hours a day then I can see why they get huge, but the thing I don't get is how they don't get tired.

Conditioning....do you guys do cardio?

[DBroncos4life]

Conditioning....do you guys do cardio?

Yeah every day but not always that long. Most of the time its between 30 and 45 minutes.

[Garcia Bronco]

In a world of relativism, sure, makes sense. In the real world, where you have grey areas, adults tend to judge things on a case by case basis and not with a broad brush stroke.

And my point is they are hypocritical adults. Even though they are different era's the intent was to gain an edge outside of their biological abilities. That players from that era admit to it tells everything you need to know about drugs and baseball and the moral outrage of people today. It's clearly hypocritical to curse bonds and not all of baseball since the 50's. In the modern era it's built on performance enhancers...and you know what...big deal...but don't hold certain players to standards and not others.

[Northman]

Here's the thing, Bonds was a Hall of Fame player before he even considered taking steroids. Even if you discount every season where he was remotely suspected of juicing, he had a Hall of Fame career.

I'm not so sure that he doesn't deserve to be in. If you discount the statistics entirely, you're left with legitimate numbers that put him in the upper echelon of players to ever play tarnished by ethical and moral hang ups.

And, as long as Ty Cobb is in, a man who practically committed attempted murder on another player solely because he was black, I don't think that kind of thing should remove a player from consideration.


Problem is cheating is cheating. And if you allow Bonds to go into the HOF than Mac and Palmeiro should go in as well. Regardless of what Bonds did prior to him juicing up doesnt give him a free pass to cheat.

[broncocalijohn]

I stack stuff from a company called BSN. I've lost weight and gained muscle pretty fast after just a month. I went a month without using stuff then during the second month I started using. It does help but it also helps having a guy push me the way that he does. If a pro athlete works out 3 to 6 hours a day then I can see why they get huge, but the thing I don't get is how they don't get tired.

OR HOW HIS HEAD SWELLS TWO SIZES. Bondsblames everyone for himself. Taking stuff from his trainer and cant tell that his hat doesnt fit on his dome anymore? Come on and wake up myopics. Bonds is using ILLEGAL DRUGS! This affects the game versus those that dont use. He is a criminal. Lied and should be tried. hey that is a bumper sticker.

[bendog]

And my point is they are hypocritical adults. Even though they are different era's the intent was to gain an edge outside of their biological abilities. That players from that era admit to it tells everything you need to know about drugs and baseball and the moral outrage of people today. It's clearly hypocritical to curse bonds and not all of baseball since the 50's. In the modern era it's built on performance enhancers...and you know what...big deal...but don't hold certain players to standards and not others.

I'd be OK with that except it's not all you are selling. It'd be ok if you were only comparing Bonds to his peers. Or if comparing him to other decade players, limit the comparison on how much he outperformed his contemporaries. You don't wish to make that limitation. At least I don't think you have in the past.

And, it is necessary. Not just for Bonds, and here I agree with you ... why the woody for him. I guess it's because McGwire is man enough to own up to his comparison, or lack of comparison, to the Babe. Maybe Sosa and McGwire compare to the year of Maris and Mantle. A qwirk.

But as others have posted we are close to having undetectable supplements. The whole notion of testing may just be an illusion even now. Bonds is just the posterboy, and it'll get worse.

[Taco John]

You know, I can understand people defending Barry on the roids issue. I don't agree with it, but I respect that some people don't see that as an issue, and think other people shouldn't either.

What I can't understand is him blaming his teammates for him failing an amphetamine test. I just think that speaks volumes about the kind of person Barry is.

[BroncoInferno]

You know, I can understand people defending Barry on the roids issue. I don't agree with it, but I respect that some people don't see that as an issue, and think other people shouldn't either.

What I can't understand is him blaming his teammates for him failing an amphetamine test. I just think that speaks volumes about the kind of person Barry is.

Yeah, even if it were true that he got the substance from Sweeney it is just plain gutless to rat him out like that.

[BroncoInferno]

And my point is they are hypocritical adults. Even though they are different era's the intent was to gain an edge outside of their biological abilities. That players from that era admit to it tells everything you need to know about drugs and baseball and the moral outrage of people today. It's clearly hypocritical to curse bonds and not all of baseball since the 50's. In the modern era it's built on performance enhancers...and you know what...big deal...but don't hold certain players to standards and not others.


What players from that era are admitting anything? It's a handful of guys, you make it sound like it's hundreds. Second, there is there is no PHYSICAL evidence against the alleged abusers from that era like we have with Barry (not to mention his own personal admission in front of a grand jury). And, lastly, uppers don't improve performance. If anything, chemical dependence on speed-like supplements produces the opposite results with long term use. The abuser is constantly tired when not high and have to use to simply function normally, they suppress one's appetite, etc. It is nothing short of stupid to compare uppers to steriods. You have locked yourself into an argument and can't get out; I've posted with you long enough to know you aren't that stupid.

[Garcia Bronco]

Yeah, even if it were true that he got the substance from Sweeney it is just plain gutless to rat him out like that.

I'd bet good money he didn't get them from his locker at all

[BroncoInferno]

I'd bet good money he didn't get them from his locker at all

It's a truly laughable excuse by Barry. 'Uh, I got them from Mattie, I didn't know what they was!'

Good lord.

[DBroncos4life]

You know, I can understand people defending Barry on the roids issue. I don't agree with it, but I respect that some people don't see that as an issue, and think other people shouldn't either.

What I can't understand is him blaming his teammates for him failing an amphetamine test. I just think that speaks volumes about the kind of person Barry is.

he's scum

[fatcard]

That, based on current events and attitudes, I do agree with. Sometimes, you are at a disadvantage, at least perception wise, being caucasian..dman

you're both idiots

[TheDave]

these threads are just awesome

[-Slap-]

Tougher regulations on drugs in sports are awesome.

Look at the cheater trying to lie his way out of trouble.

Maybe he can convince Sweeney to say it was actually his piss and B*rry was just holding it for him.

[usedupbraids]

hey i cheated all the time in school thats why im dumb now,you see when you cheat it hurts you in the long run.

[Pendejo]

Tougher regulations on drugs in sports are awesome.

Look at the cheater trying to lie his way out of trouble.

Maybe he can convince Sweeney to say it was actually his piss and B*rry was just holding it for him.

There was a MMA fighter (Kevin Randleman) a couple of months ago who failed a drug test after his fight. There were no traces of any illegal substances though. It turned out that the piss this guy used wasn't human.

If he can't get Sweeney (by all reports a great locker room guy) to cover for him...maybe B*nds can get his hands on some Yeti pee.

[-Slap-]

B*nds is barely human.

He quickly started backtracking on the Sweeney accusation. B*rry knows he's despised, but he also knows many players still respect him. Had he stuck with blaming Sweeney, he wouldn't have a friend left in baseball.

[Bronco LB 59]

The Giants are thinking about backing out of a one year, $15.8 deal they agreed to in priniciple with Bonds. Bonds has not officially signed with the Giants; he is not on the 40 man roster.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/18/SPGQUNKOD11.DTL

[watermock]

It's a truly laughable excuse by Barry. 'Uh, I got them from Mattie, I didn't know what they was!'

Good lord.


Don't you think that is eerily similar to "I didn't know what Ballco was rubbing in my ass."

God I hope they can get to him before he breaks the record, or it is revoked. Look...alot of players used juice...but their habit of lying is getting tiresome. Palermo point his finger in contempt at a congressional committee?...then getting busted a month later? If it wasn't an informal inquisition they could get the prick for pergury.

I wonder how much green Barroid is paying that Anderson? trainer to do time and keep his clam shut.

Remember when the announcers were all talking about how the ball was "juiced"?...well it wasn't the ball, it was the players.