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Bronco_Beerslug
01-09-2007, 10:05 AM
Might as well, the Iraq thing didn't work out too well, maybe this will.

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U.S. launches airstrike in Somalia (http://tinyurl.com/yh2r7u)
By MOHAMED OLAD HASSAN, Associated Press Writer

MOGADISHU, Somalia - A U.S. airstrike hit targets in southern Somalia where Islamic militants were believed to be sheltering suspects in the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies, Somali officials and witnesses said Tuesday. Many people were reported killed.

Monday's attack was the first overt military action by the U.S. in Somalia since the 1990s and the legacy of a botched intervention — known as "Black Hawk Down" — that left 18 U.S. servicemen dead.

Helicopter gunships launched new attacks Tuesday near the scene of the U.S. airstrike, although it was not clear if they were American or Ethiopian aircraft, and it was not known if there were any casualties.

Two helicopters "fired several rockets toward the road that leads to the Kenyan border," said Ali Seed Yusuf, a resident of the town of Afmadow in southern Somalia.

The aircraft carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower arrived off Somalia's coast and launched intelligence-gathering missions over Somalia, the military said. Three other U.S. warships are conducting anti-terror operations off the Somali coast.

U.S. warships have been seeking to capture al-Qaida members thought to be fleeing Somalia after Ethiopia invaded Dec. 24 in support of the government and drove the Islamic militia out of the capital and toward the Kenyan border.

The White House would not confirm the attack, nor would the Pentagon.

But a U.S. government official said at least one AC-130 gunship was used. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the operation's sensitivity.

AC-130 gunships have elaborate sensors that can go after targets day or night. They are operated by the Special Operations Command and have been used heavily against the Taliban in Afghanistan.

The airstrike occurred Monday evening after the suspects were seen hiding on a remote island on the southern tip of Somalia, close to the Kenyan border, Somali officials said. The island and a site 155 miles north were hit.

The main target was Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, who allegedly planned the 1998 attacks on the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, that killed 225 people.

He is also suspected of planning the car bombing of a beach resort in Kenya and the near simultaneous attempt to shoot down an Israeli airliner in 2002. Ten Kenyans and three Israelis were killed in the blast at the hotel, 12 miles north of Mombasa. The missiles missed the airliner.

Fazul, 32, joined al-Qaida in Afghanistan and trained there with Osama bin Laden, according to the transcript of an
FBI interrogation of a known associate. He came to Kenya in the mid-1990s, married a local woman, became a citizen and started teaching at a religious school near Lamu, just 60 miles south of Ras Kamboni, Somalia, where one of the airstrikes took place Monday.

Largely isolated, the coast north of Lamu is predominantly Muslim and many residents are of Arab descent. Boats from Lamu often visit Somalia and the Persian Gulf, making the Kenya-Somalia border area ideal for him to escape.

President Abdullahi Yusuf told journalists in the capital, Mogadishu, that the U.S. "has a right to bombard terrorist suspects who attacked its embassies." Deputy Prime Minister Hussein Aideed told The Associated Press the U.S. had "our full support for the attacks."

But others in the capital said the attacks would only increase anti-American sentiment in the largely Muslim country.

"U.S. involvement in the fighting in our country is completely wrong," said Sahro Ahmed, a 37-year-old mother of five.

Already, many people in predominantly Muslim Somalia had resented the presence of troops from neighboring Ethiopia, which has a large Christian population and has fought two brutal wars with Somalia, most recently in 1977.

The U.S. Central Command reassigned the Eisenhower to Somalia last week from its mission supporting
NATO-led forces in Afghanistan, said
U.S. Navy spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Charlie Brown in Bahrain, where the Navy's Fifth Fleet is based.

"Eisenhower aircraft have flown intelligence-gathering missions over Somalia," Brown told The Associated Press.

The spokesman said the Eisenhower was the only U.S. aircraft carrier in the region. The vessel is carrying approximately 60 aircraft, including four fighter jet squadrons, he said.

Ethiopia forces had invaded Somalia to prevent an Islamic movement from ousting the weak, internationally recognized government from its lone stronghold in the west of the country. The U.S. and Ethiopia both accuse the Islamic group of harboring extremists, among them al-Qaida suspects.

Ethiopian troops, tanks and warplanes took just 10 days to drive the Islamic group from the capital, Mogadishu, and other key towns.

Ethiopian and Somali troops had over the last days cornered the main Islamic force in Ras Kamboni, a town on Badmadow island, with U.S. warships patrolling off shore and the Kenyan military guarding the border to watch for fleeing militants.

Witnesses said at least four civilians were killed in another attack 30 miles east of Afmadow town, including a small boy. The claims could not be independently verified.

"My 4-year-old boy was killed in the strike," Mohamed Mahmud Burale told the AP by telephone. "We also heard 14 massive explosions."

The AC-130 is armed with 40 mm guns that fire 120 rounds per minute and a 105 mm cannon, normally a field artillery weapon. The gunships were designed primarily for battlefield use to place saturated fire on massed troops.

"We don't know how many people were killed in the attack but we understand there were a lot of casualties," government spokesman Abdirahman Dinari said. "Most were Islamic fighters."

U.S. officials said after the Sept. 11 attacks that extremists with ties to al-Qaida operated a training camp at Ras Kamboni and al-Qaida members are believed to have visited it.

Leaders of the Islamic movement have vowed from their hideouts to launch an
Iraq-style guerrilla war in Somalia, and al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden's deputy has called on militants to carry out suicide attacks on the Ethiopian troops.

Somalia has not had an effective central government since clan-based warlords toppled dictator Mohamed Siad Barre in 1991 and then turned on each other, sinking the Horn of Africa nation of 7 million people into chaos.

A U.N. peacekeeping force, including U.S. troops, arrived in 1992, but the experiment in nation-building ended the next year when fighters loyal to clan leader Mohamed Farah Aideed shot down a U.S. Army Black Hawk helicopter and battled American troops, killing 18 servicemen.

At least 13 attempts at government have failed since then. The current government was established in 2004 with U.N. backing.

Spider
01-09-2007, 10:11 AM
This I dont have a problem with

defenseman
01-09-2007, 11:33 AM
I'm liking this. The Ike and some support are set to net in the garbage shortly..dman

alkemical
01-09-2007, 11:42 AM
Oceania previals!

bendog
01-09-2007, 02:01 PM
hmmmm. I dunno. bigger bear at stake here than rogue al queda. I mean a few cia hit squads, I got no problem. Supporting one side over the other with direct fire ..... that's political bad news.

Lot a bad history
http://home.planet.nl/~hans.mebrat/eritrea-history.htm

Not to mention the Sudan and .... Nigeria. That's that's a bad place.

defenseman
01-09-2007, 02:18 PM
hmmmm. I dunno. bigger bear at stake here than rogue al queda. I mean a few cia hit squads, I got no problem. Supporting one side over the other with direct fire ..... that's political bad news.

Lot a bad history
http://home.planet.nl/~hans.mebrat/eritrea-history.htm

Not to mention the Sudan and .... Nigeria. That's that's a bad place.

political bad news? political correctness? that's what has this country tied up in such knots as it is. I'm for pulling a big can of whoop a$$, along with some clandestine operations and squashing political correctness out the door. Tired of these touchy feely types. Hammer them good, and move onto the next roque al qaeda bozo and hammer him. Tired of political correctness, that INCLUDES the border I might add. Lock it down, and hang deadly force authorized signs everywhere.......lots of gutless weenies run our government, trolling for votes.....dman

Bronx33
01-09-2007, 03:18 PM
political bad news? political correctness? that's what has this country tied up in such knots as it is. I'm for pulling a big can of whoop a$$, along with some clandestine operations and squashing political correctness out the door. Tired of these touchy feely types. Hammer them good, and move onto the next roque al qaeda bozo and hammer him. Tired of political correctness, that INCLUDES the border I might add. Lock it down, and hang deadly force authorized signs everywhere.......lots of gutless weenies run our government, trolling for votes.....dman


Iam with ya 100% these operations are wayyyyyyyyyyy over due they need to end these sorry SOBs existance they are trying to take over these countries that cannot defend themselves therefore making the spread of their hateful religion very easy. (These lowlifes don't play by the rules why should we)

bendog
01-09-2007, 03:35 PM
political bad news? political correctness? that's what has this country tied up in such knots as it is. I'm for pulling a big can of whoop a$$, along with some clandestine operations and squashing political correctness out the door. Tired of these touchy feely types. Hammer them good, and move onto the next roque al qaeda bozo and hammer him. Tired of political correctness, that INCLUDES the border I might add. Lock it down, and hang deadly force authorized signs everywhere.......lots of gutless weenies run our government, trolling for votes.....dman

ummm, that's the thinking that gave us the little hitler. I'm not against the predator drone or cia hit teams, but we start ****ing around with C-130s and aircraft carriers in countries where there's very tenuous peace between Christians and Muslims, and we'll **** this up even better.

Frankly I'm sick of war mongering semi-illieterate of politics war happy jockies like you and vonRummy making this world more unsafe for my kids, and I DON'TTHANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE

epicSocialism4tw
01-09-2007, 04:16 PM
Could we not just report them to their local media to be slandered into unemployment?

bendog
01-09-2007, 04:18 PM
Ok, I'm sorry. But being called politically correct for thinking bushii cowboy diplomacy ain't exactly working made me a bit pissy. If the dems had been less politcally correct in 2002, we wouldn't be qWagmired in Iraq, and be the laughing stock of the diplomatic world.

Killing known terrorists is fine by me. Getting involved with wars that essentially have been going on for hundreds of years, without the basic agreement by other countries in the region, just enflames the wars further. We've seen this time and again.

If Bushii wanted to insert some covert op types to try and round up some rogue al queda ... OK, assuming they really pose a threat to us. But in all of those countries in the middle of Africa there's a mix of coptic/animus/europeanmission Christians and Muslims. Doing anything that further's the violent muslim cry of the christians are denying us our right to determine our own future is just counter productive.

We'd be better off saving the ammo and buying medical supplies for these poor bastards.

Not that I don't think Ethiopa and/or Kenya moving to curtail the muslim clerics in Somalia is a bad idea. It's a good idea.

Ophra's orphanage ... good. Bushii's C-130's bad.

Similarly, it's galling, imo, when the russians seem to have a more worldly, competent view that us. And as for political correctness, the US media still hasn't the guts to confront Bushii on Iran. The funny thing is, that because Iran does such a piss poor job of managing it's drilling and refining capacity, and because they subsidize cheap petrol so much that demand in Iran is spirliing, and because their own politicians lack guts to take steps to conserve, it appears they will be a negative supply in Iran itself in a decade or so. But does the media ever challange bushii on that .... no. No, iran and syria .... they're the axis of evil. And Israel's our ally. Of course. Never question that.

BroncsRule
01-09-2007, 04:19 PM
"I'm sick of war mongering semi-illieterate of politics war happy jockies like you and vonRummy making this world more unsafe for my kids, and I DON'TTHANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE"

Hey! D'Man isn't semi-illerterate! :welcome:

War happy jocky maybe - but semi-illeterate?


Thanks for your service BTW.

defenseman
01-09-2007, 04:37 PM
ummm, that's the thinking that gave us the little hitler. I'm not against the predator drone or cia hit teams, but we start ****ing around with C-130s and aircraft carriers in countries where there's very tenuous peace between Christians and Muslims, and we'll **** this up even better.

Frankly I'm sick of war mongering semi-illieterate of politics war happy jockies like you and vonRummy making this world more unsafe for my kids, and I DON'TTHANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE

Feel better now? We all are allowed an occassional overload. Don't worry, it'll all work out. Eventually, maybe, if we are lucky...dman

*I could care less about GW at this point. Second, I see no one on the horizon with the intestinal fortitude to continue to take the fight to the bad guys. The right way I might add. Trust me, stand down, they'll come ashore. I personally am not willing to wait for that, or until they ambush every stronghold we have in the ME let alone the rest of the world. The world needs an enema is what it comes down to, either the necessary countries band together and do it, or this place is going to stink to high heaven in pretty short order. It will be unsafe for us all if we sit on our hands and wait, I can tell you that....dman

bendog
01-09-2007, 04:38 PM
btw, this is a pretty cool map, and the info below lists various demographics about the places, including religions.
http://www.atlapedia.com/online/maps/political/Nth_Africa_E.htm

bendog
01-09-2007, 04:39 PM
Feel better now? We all are allowed an occassional overload. Don't worry, it'll all work out. Eventually, maybe, if we are lucky...dman

not really, but I did apologize.

defenseman
01-09-2007, 04:45 PM
Ok, I'm sorry. But being called politically correct for thinking bushii cowboy diplomacy ain't exactly working made me a bit pissy. If the dems had been less politcally correct in 2002, we wouldn't be qWagmired in Iraq, and be the laughing stock of the diplomatic world.

Killing known terrorists is fine by me. Getting involved with wars that essentially have been going on for hundreds of years, without the basic agreement by other countries in the region, just enflames the wars further. We've seen this time and again.

If Bushii wanted to insert some covert op types to try and round up some rogue al queda ... OK, assuming they really pose a threat to us. But in all of those countries in the middle of Africa there's a mix of coptic/animus/europeanmission Christians and Muslims. Doing anything that further's the violent muslim cry of the christians are denying us our right to determine our own future is just counter productive.

We'd be better off saving the ammo and buying medical supplies for these poor bastards.

Not that I don't think Ethiopa and/or Kenya moving to curtail the muslim clerics in Somalia is a bad idea. It's a good idea.

Ophra's orphanage ... good. Bushii's C-130's bad.

Similarly, it's galling, imo, when the russians seem to have a more worldly, competent view that us. And as for political correctness, the US media still hasn't the guts to confront Bushii on Iran. The funny thing is, that because Iran does such a piss poor job of managing it's drilling and refining capacity, and because they subsidize cheap petrol so much that demand in Iran is spirliing, and because their own politicians lack guts to take steps to conserve, it appears they will be a negative supply in Iran itself in a decade or so. But does the media ever challange bushii on that .... no. No, iran and syria .... they're the axis of evil. And Israel's our ally. Of course. Never question that.

Dog, I never meant to call you politically correct. Politicians bear that one nasty distinction. If you took it that way, sorry bout that. Always count on straight shooting from you though, continue unabashed..dman

defenseman
01-09-2007, 04:46 PM
not really, but I did apologize.

Fair enough.....dman