Time to Rebuild

[~Crash~]

this will be a 3 year plan to get to the SB!!!!!!

this is going to hurt me to type......but cut

47 Lynch, John S 6' 2" 220 09/25/71 14th

66 Nalen, Tom C 6' 3" 286 05/13/71 13th

16 Plummer, Jake QB 6' 2" 212 12/19/74 10th

80 Smith, Rod WR 6' 0" 200 05/15/70 12th

82 Alexander, Stephen TE 6' 4" 250 11/07/75 9th

51 Burns, Keith LB 6' 2" 235 05/16/72 13th


72 Foster, George T 6' 5" 338 06/09/80 4th ( if they dont think he will work in our system at G )


trade

Williams, D.J. LB 6' 1" 242 07/20/82 3rd Miami

Bell, Tatum RB 5' 11" 213 03/02/81 3rd Oklahoma State

Wilson, Al LB 6' 0" 240 06/21/77 8th Tennessee

01 Elam, Jason K 5' 11" 200 03/08/70 14th

[Clockwork Orange]

Why trade DJ Williams? How about let Gold go and move DJ back where he belongs?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Why would anyone trade anything for Elam?

Burns is already a free agent.

I love how you think Foster can somehow be moved to guard.

Nalen took a hometown deal, cutting him is absolutely retarded with his level of play where it's at.

Yawn. So who exactly are the replacements for all these people going to be?

[~Crash~]

Why trade DJ Williams? How about let Gold go and move DJ back where he belongs?

well I like that Idea way better but I think Ian has pics of Shanahan so......

[ludo21]

Nalen just had a Pro Bowl esque season. Rod fits in nicely as a slot guy.

At times Lynch seems to be the only guy trying on defense... DJ has done a FINE job out of his position ALL year, trade that?

Elam just had his best season as a pro ( altho i agree we need fresher leges)

[~Crash~]

Nalen to OL Coach.

[TheDave]

Wow this is going to be a long offseason... we've already had 3 different "Switch to the 3-4" threads and now were entering the "Blow it up and start over" threads... add the fireshanahan guy and this is going to be a long few months.

[~Crash~]

Why would anyone trade anything for Elam?

Burns is already a free agent.

I love how you think Foster can somehow be moved to guard.

Nalen took a hometown deal, cutting him is absolutely retarded with his level of play where it's at.

Yawn. So who exactly are the replacements for all these people going to be?

there will be someone put out of the playoffs that will miss a field goal and would love to have elam on there team .

I love how you think Foster can somehow be moved to guard.~~~~~

done all the time with T that have truble with speed rushers.

Draft picks like I said its a 3 year plan.

[usedupbraids]

What the hell are you talking about?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Draft picks like I said its a 3 year plan.

So basically you just have a group of players you want cut, but aren't willing to step out on a limb to say who they should acquire for this 3-year rebuilding plan? That's not a plan.

Just re-name the thread, "Players I don't want back."

[ludo21]

WE are a decent DL away from being a SB team, blow it up.....right.......

[~Crash~]

Wow this is going to be a long offseason... we've already had 3 different "Switch to the 3-4" threads and now were entering the "Blow it up and start over" threads... add the fireshanahan guy and this is going to be a long few months.

if Shanahan does not do most of this I will probaly be in the fireshanahan group . this team gave its all and it was not good enough . this bunch is old and in 3 years they will all be gone anyways ! get something for them anyways wilson is going to fall apart very soon.

[Dedhed]

Yes on Tatum, Plummer, Alexander, and Burns, but the rest is day 1 stupid.

[Garcia Bronco]

"I like you man, but....but your crazy"

-Old School

[TheDave]

if Shanahan does not do most of this I will probaly be in the fireshanahan group . this team gave its all and it was not good enough . this bunch is old and in 3 years they will all be gone anyways ! get something for them anyways wilson is going to fall apart very soon.

Here's the link then www.fireshanahan.com... have fun :thumbs:

[usedupbraids]

Yes on Tatum, Plummer, Alexander, and Burns, but the rest is day 1 stupid.

;) i agree

[~Crash~]

So basically you just have a group of players you want cut, but aren't willing to step out on a limb to say who they should acquire for this 3-year rebuilding plan? That's not a plan.

Just re-name the thread, "Players I don't want back."

the thread is not over . but if I put all of it down it would be . part of this thread is to see what other people think of the team ...I am kind of on the fence to were we go but I am leaning very hard to do this.

[~Crash~]

Here's the link then www.fireshanahan.com... have fun :thumbs:

I am not there but thanks for the link I might get cold....lol

[theAPAOps5]

You are on some really and I mean REALLY good stuff. Blowing this team up is crazy.

[usedupbraids]

i hope they bring back burns he needs to leave the game as a bronco :)

[~Crash~]

listen I am tired of being a so so team I want win the SB . if you pick up two first round picks out of the trades then in 2 years have a huge wad of money to spend in the FA market because about that time alot of money would be free up.

Also people need to be honest QBs need 3 years to come up to snuff . I want SB's not the playoffs or to lose in the SB. deal with it there will be no more chances for 2 more year I want the best for the team .

[Pendejo]

We just witnessed a rebuilding year.

[BlaK-Argentina]

We just witnessed a rebuilding year.

Exactly.

[Orange_Beard]

Rebuild the lines. I would like to see atleast 3 new guys on the D-line and 2 new guys on the O-line. Replace Foster with a football player.

Hopefully Lepsis is ready to go.
May be a new guard with a mean streak. We need more O-lineman who are like Nalen.

[azbroncfan]

Cutler, MBELL, Pears, Schef, Marshall all contributing a lot on O.

Fairly young on D. I would say that is rebuilding.

[HEAV]

Wow you are a cazy mofro............................. Trade our top (2) Lb's.......Wow

Bad thread.

[eddie mac]

this will be a 3 year plan to get to the SB!!!!!!

this is going to hurt me to type......but cut

47 Lynch, John S 6' 2" 220 09/25/71 14th

$1.5m base salary for a Pro-Bowl safety. He's going nowhere.

66 Nalen, Tom C 6' 3" 286 05/13/71 13th. $1.45m base salary for one of the best centers in the league. See Lynch.

16 Plummer, Jake QB 6' 2" 212 12/19/74 10th. He wont be cut. Someone, somewhere will give something up for him, post June. The Broncos wont need the cap room prior to that.

80 Smith, Rod WR 6' 0" 200 05/15/70 12th. He'll take a pay-cut or restructure because he's a team guy.

82 Alexander, Stephen TE 6' 4" 250 11/07/75 9th. His base salary of $1.4m and Scheffler's emergence makes him expendable.

51 Burns, Keith LB 6' 2" 235 05/16/72 13th. He's a UFA, depending on how Keith feels physically, he may come back for another season.


72 Foster, George T 6' 5" 338 06/09/80 4th ( if they dont think he will work in our system at G ). Wont be cut simply because he still has value and is still on his rookie deal so is quite cheap to keep as a back-up or trade.


trade

Williams, D.J. LB 6' 1" 242 07/20/82 3rd Miami. Unless someone offers a 1st or 2nd rd pick why would we???

Bell, Tatum RB 5' 11" 213 03/02/81 3rd Oklahoma State. Most likely offseason trade candidate.

Wilson, Al LB 6' 0" 240 06/21/77 8th Tennessee. Absolute horse**** considering we'd save next to nothing if we traded him. He's got a cap hit somewhere between $7-$8m. May well be asked to restructure to lower that $5.2m base salary.

01 Elam, Jason K 5' 11" 200 03/08/70 14th Has very little trade value because of his age. He's now in the last year of his contract with a base of $2.25m. I see an extension being offered.

You should be listing players such as Engelberger and Brown.

[7 4ever]

Oh wow, maybe the Broncos might as well trade Champ since he will retire someday...

[theAPAOps5]

Well if you want a SB in 3 years your plan sure is not going to get you that. Your plan will get you the Raiders, Lions, or Cardinals. And 1st round picks don't always correlate to success.

[theAPAOps5]

Cutler only has 13 good years left tops we should just dump him.

[Rascal]

Offense:

I would say we are young at the starting skill positions on offense, with young depth along the offensive line.

Personally I think we should trade Hamilton and start Kuper and Carlisle (who we should resign) at guard with Eslinger and Myers ready to take over for Nalen in 2008. I think Pears will probably be the future at RT. He won't be great IMO but he will be solid. We need to get a LT of the future.

I would like to see Foster go away, but the cap hit is not worth it and his salary is so low it doesn't matter. Give him one last chance to prove himself.

I think we should trade Tatum for whatever we can get frankly. There isn't hardly anything available at RB for FA, so we might get some good value for him in a trade. I would be open to getting F Taylor CHEAPLY, which frankly I don't think is possible since he just demanded 5 mil per year from Jags. If we start Mike Bell and a rookie next year I would be okay with that. I like Mike more then Tatum anyway. Either way we need to spend a first or second rounder on RB.

I would like to get a better FB, but frankly I don't know who is available who would be a better option and both Johnson and Sapp are dirt cheap.

I would like to get Graham in FA, but I don't know if the jump from Alexander to him is worth the cap hit considering we have several holes to fill defensively.

Defense is more tricky.

I would love to sign Charles Grant of NO for DE, then put Ekuban and Dumervil at the other DE with Engleberger backing up Grant. We can cut Brown IMO he just can't stay healthy.

At DT I would keep Veal and Warren, but would be cautious about resigning Myers. IMO he sucked worse then Warren this year. I wouldn't pay much for him as he is a FA. I think we should spend a first or second at least on DT, and sign Terdell Sands or Vonnie Holliday in FA.

I think we should trade/cut Gold but I don't think it's possible with his deal and the salary cap hit might be big. I think we need to switch DJ back to weak side and get a legit SLB but I don't know if this is feasible. Plus there aren't a lot of good SLB's available in FA. And I don't think anybody on our roster is good enough to start full time at SLB either as even our backups are small.

Secondary is a big question mark. I'm not sure what Ferguson's cap hit is this year, but if it's not that bad I would look to trade him (it won't be much) and then sign K Hamlin or D Grant at FS and move Lynch to SS. I would keep Sam Brandon as I think he will replace Lynch in the near future. Champ is obviously one CB, and the other I think can be covered adequately with Paymah and Foxworth.

Other then DT or DE and RB, I think the rest of the draft picks should be BPA.

Starting lineup next year:
QB: Cutler
RB: M Bell or rookie
FB: K Johnson or Sapp
TE: Scheffler
RT: Lepsis
RG: Kuper
C: Nalen
RG: Carlisle
RT: Pears
WR: Walker
WR: Marshall

DE: Ekuban/Dumervil
DE: Grant
DT: Warren
DT: Sands/Rookie/Myers
LB: Gold
LB: DJ
LB: Wilson
CB: Champ
CB: Foxworth/Paymah
FS: K Hamlin or D Grant
SS: J Lynch/Brandon

[7 4ever]

Exactly, and while we are at it, I heard that Jim Mora is available, maybe we should fire Sanahan :D

[theAPAOps5]

No! Dennis Green man he is the one we need to throw money at.

Seriously though I would like to see Shanny make a run to get gritty Alex Gibbs back.

[Rascal]

No! Dennis Green man he is the one we need to throw money at.

Seriously though I would like to see Shanny make a run to get gritty Alex Gibbs back.

You seriously think he would come here after we fired his son and the whole debacle that led to him getting fired in the first place (or that Shanny would want him)?

[Killericon]

9-7 is worthy of rebuilding?

Damn, we got some high expectations.

[NFLBRONCO]

Just for kicks say Denver did trade AL Tatum DJ Elam this year give me the cap hit we'd take this year?

[~Crash~]

Exactly, and while we are at it, I heard that Jim Mora is available, maybe we should fire Sanahan :D

well I think you are talking JR right I kind of like his crazy pops better ...

[~Crash~]

No! Dennis Green man he is the one we need to throw money at.

Seriously though I would like to see Shanny make a run to get gritty Alex Gibbs back.

I wanted Gibbs back but that is Nalens job !:strong:

[~Crash~]

with 2 losing seasons that would net us picks in the top 5 ariea . then if we trade DJ for a late 1st and willson for late 1st round that would be 4 first round picks in 2 years and a boat load of money to spend . just about the time for cutler to shine

LT Lepsis LG Cooper hamlton C Kuper or fosterRGPears RT

Coach Nalen

[theAPAOps5]

Good point Rascal. I neglected to think about his son and his bitter departure. Of course if the NFL bans cut blocks then his job is rendered utterly useless. I just want him to come in and make the line mean again.

[7 4ever]

well I think you are talking JR right I kind of like his crazy pops better ...

Mmmmhhh, I don't know about his pops, can you imagine his press conference after the 9ers game? Hilarious!

[~Crash~]

Just for kicks say Denver did trade AL Tatum DJ Elam this year give me the cap hit we'd take this year?

well I did not say all of them heck there would be a **** load of dead money that is for sure but we more than likely would try to spread it out two years. this team is crap when we cannot win the last game of the season to the crappy 49ers!!!!!!!!

[kappys]

Good point Rascal. I neglected to think about his son and his bitter departure. Of course if the NFL bans cut blocks then his job is rendered utterly useless. I just want him to come in and make the line mean again.

If the NFL bans cut blocks they'd better allow for an Arena LEague style running start since no team will be able to run the ball anymore.

[Killericon]

well I did not say all of them heck there would be a **** load of dead money that is for sure but we more than likely would try to spread it out two years. this team is crap when we cannot win the last game of the season to the crappy 49ers!!!!!!!!

Why is it that the 49ers are labelled crappy around here? They aren't good, but they're aren't crappy by any stretch.

[~Crash~]

Mmmmhhh, I don't know about his pops, can you imagine his press conference after the 9ers game? Hilarious!

:thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: well crown there ass...opss wrong guy teehee

[~Crash~]

Why is it that the 49ers are labelled crappy around here? They aren't good, but they're aren't crappy by any stretch.

okay ace how about ****y with a good coach

[Killericon]

okay ace how about ****y with a good coach

And a Pro Bowl RB. And a CB with 8 INTs. Alex Smith isn't exactly bad, either.

[~Crash~]

Alex Smith okay so you are saying this guy is good?

[~Crash~]

we got beat by Larry Allen you know the guy that could not hack it at LT (and yes this is aimed at you Herk)but at Guard is all world !!!! Romo would of never let that happened but DJ was Larrys little bitch !!!!!!!!!!

[~Crash~]

Killer I am tired so I will not wait any longer .

Alex Smith sucks will he always I dont know but right now I would not trade Cutler for Smith and all of the 1st round draft picks in this next draft!!!!!!!

[Killericon]

we got beat by Larry Allen you know the guy that could not hack it at LT (and yes this is aimed at you Herk)but at Guard is all world !!!! Romo would of never let that happened but DJ was Larrys little b**** !!!!!!!!!!

...You just ripped Larry Allen for being a bad player.

I'm done with this thread.

[Mtbrncofn]

Ever hear the song 'Crazy Train', crash?

That could be where your headed with this thread.

[~Crash~]

...You just ripped Larry Allen for being a bad player.

I'm done with this thread.

What Larry Allen was all world at Guard this seaon he sucked at LT last year !

Herc told me foster could never be moved to Guard. well I was just pointing out it is possible

No I was saying DJ sucks a SLB ! and Alex Smith sucks at QB! never once did I say larry allen sucks he single handed whoped up on our team !

[~Crash~]

Ever hear the song 'Crazy Train', crash?

That could be where your headed with this thread.

are you saying that our team would suck the next two years after a trade like this the I would agree!!!!!!!!!!!! you are one smart sucker!!!!!!

[Mtbrncofn]

are you saying that our team would suck the next two years after a trade like this the I would agree!!!!!!!!!!!! you are one smart sucker!!!!!!

Nothin' gets by me. ;D

[NFLBRONCO]

56Crash,

I think you have a great idea. I would be for it. The only problem besides being bad a few years is depth. The cap hits we'd take would be hard to add depth in some areas. To be honest Denver would never do it so its a mute point.

[sgbfan]

The idea won't happen, but if it did it should be done in a different way. Keep the players and let them play out their contracts. Trade your first day draft picks for a later pick and one next year (ex. #21 for a third and next years first from some team). Load up the draft for next year to make moves on the players that will be strong for the next year. Play young players like Kuper, Pears, Hixon, Abdullah, Fox, Dumerville, and the picks from this year among others to see what they have. Get as much amo as possible for next year which seems like it might be a better class if a lot of the players decide to stay.

[~Crash~]

this team had run around the .500 mark long enogh for me !!!!!!!!! I want a team that runs over bad teams in a land slide and beats good team handly !!!! I want a team that has swagger . I want a team that when it gets home field advantage it mauling on the other side of the field .

you know I hope KC wins the SB that way the fans just might get hungry around here again .

I hear all this crap about SB every year well we got more problems than one draft can fix !!!!!!! or the pissy amout of money we will have for FA !!! we will 9-7 if we just tinker with this problem !and lose DJ to FA next year and as a WLB'er he is one heck of a player I dont want another teams fan to come on hear and rave about how great he is and us to have gotten nothing for him !!!!!!!!!! as a SLB he sucks lets move him!!!!!!!!!!!

[DomCasual]

Since Shanahan has been here, the closest the Broncos have ever come to rebuilding was this year, when he started Cutler. Otherwise, the philosophy has always been reload.

[~Crash~]

Nothin' gets by me. ;D

but in 3 years I think we would be a team that would be feared that teams would not look forward to playing !!

[~Crash~]

56Crash,

I think you have a great idea. I would be for it. The only problem besides being bad a few years is depth. The cap hits we'd take would be hard to add depth in some areas. To be honest Denver would never do it so its a mute point.

you never know alot of the guys might just hang it up. Nalen as a coach and lynch a anouncer. smith will have to take on heck of a pay cut and IMO we have someone on the team better then him as or 3rd WR. so I see this as going down weather we like this or not .soon enough .I want a real team

[NFLBRONCO]

this team had run around the .500 mark long enogh for me !!!!!!!!! I want a team that runs over bad teams in a land slide and beats good team handly !!!! I want a team that has swagger . I want a team that when it gets home field advantage it mauling on the other side of the field .

you know I hope KC wins the SB that way the fans just might get hungry around here again .

I hear all this crap about SB every year well we got more problems than one draft can fix !!!!!!! or the pissy amout of money we will have for FA !!! we will 9-7 if we just tinker with this problem !and lose DJ to FA next year and as a WLB'er he is one heck of a player I dont want another teams fan to come on hear and rave about how great he is and us to have gotten nothing for him !!!!!!!!!! as a SLB he sucks lets move him!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the problem is with fans and Broncos org itself is we were in AFC Championship game a year ago that's the only reality they see.
We got to title game because we had things fall perfectly. We don't beat good teams as much anyone so we need MAJOR upgrades like it or not. Rod and Lynch have one year left max. AL is everyone's fav here but, I think his shoulder's are shot. DJ and Tatum are issues that should be addressed. We have some solid young guys to build on but, we need more.

[~Crash~]

The idea won't happen, but if it did it should be done in a different way. Keep the players and let them play out their contracts. Trade your first day draft picks for a later pick and one next year (ex. #21 for a third and next years first from some team). Load up the draft for next year to make moves on the players that will be strong for the next year. Play young players like Kuper, Pears, Hixon, Abdullah, Fox, Dumerville, and the picks from this year among others to see what they have. Get as much amo as possible for next year which seems like it might be a better class if a lot of the players decide to stay.

and this just might be a great way ...right now I still lean towards this way! why because I am tired of quick patch ups and then falling apart late in the season !!!!! I want a team with a 4 year QB that has a team that is as good as him !!!!!!!!!!!! you dont Win SB's with kids at QB very often it usaly take 4 years to realy pick up all the little nuances to become great at QB by then we could build a monster !!

[~Crash~]

listen I love this team with all my hart but the window has closed for all our old time SB players there time has come and gone atleast with this team .

I want to win SB's with this team we will end up 10-6 or 11-5 and pick late in the draft ! I want better and then you have DJ going to some team and then we get to hear oh man thank you guy for giving him to us free wow he is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo great !!!!!!!!

[~Crash~]

I think the problem is with fans and Broncos org itself is we were in AFC Championship game a year ago that's the only reality they see.
We got to title game because we had things fall perfectly. We don't beat good teams as much anyone so we need MAJOR upgrades like it or not. Rod and Lynch have one year left max. AL is everyone's fav here but, I think his shoulder's are shot. DJ and Tatum are issues that should be addressed. We have some solid young guys to build on but, we need more.

I agree but that was the thing last year we peaked . I think we would of won it all if kubs would of not left but them are the breaks !!!!! this was a better team this year if plummer would of played like he did last year I belive we would of been in the SB this year and won

[Pat Bowlen]

I didn't read the entire thread, has it been determined how old 56crash is yet?

[~Crash~]

let me get this straight a guy that has 2205 post playing like he is something he is not has the balls to talk to me like I need to grow up ppppppsssssssssssssst STFUFF!

[DomCasual]

I didn't read the entire thread, has it been determined how old 56crash is yet?

Hey, where you been? Have I been hanging out in the wrong threads, or have you been absent?

[DomCasual]

let me get this straight a guy that has 2205 post playing like he is something he is not has the balls to talk to me like I need to grow up ppppppsssssssssssssst STFUFF!

I'd watch myself if I were you. You don't want to piss off the big guy.

[XXXII&III]

why do you ask !!!!!!

[youcandoit1687]

this team had run around the .500 mark long enogh for me !!!!!!!!! I want a team that runs over bad teams in a land slide and beats good team handly !!!! I want a team that has swagger . I want a team that when it gets home field advantage it mauling on the other side of the field .

WHOA!!! i just had an epiphany...i realized that i want my team to DO GOOD. i had never thought of it before until now. i just realized that losing is bad and winning is good. i really wish that the people who are in charge of this billion dollar franchise can realize this at some point. i mean, hell, just think, if more than one team in this National Football League organization thing thought of this, there might be some sort of...competition, a championship, id call it the Super Bowl!!! but what do i know, this probably all sounds like crazy talk to you all.

[youcandoit1687]

I agree but that was the thing last year we peaked . I think we would of won it all if kubs would of not left but them are the breaks !!!!! this was a better team this year if plummer would of played like he did last year I belive we would of been in the SB this year and won

haha man you are flipping crazy. we would be in the super bowl this year if we had had better QB play(which of course we will have next year) but we didnt have it this year so we should blow the whole team up? haha man, you should go to work for al davis...just win baby. thats your whole strategy huh? this whole winning idea is just too novel for the rest of us who dont understand that winning is good, but you, YOU have figured out that winning should be the goal of every team.

[youcandoit1687]

let me get this straight a guy that has 2205 post playing like he is something he is not has the balls to talk to me like I need to grow up ppppppsssssssssssssst STFUFF!

haha that is the hilarious part. pat bowlen is tight though, he has some pretty funny one liners from time to time.

[chaz]

56crash...you seem desperate...well **** that. the denver broncos are not desperate. i agree with you can do it, go cheer for the raiders if you want to rebuild, thats not what the denver broncos is about. we have plenty of talent to win and win now.

this thread is retarded....i am slightly ashamed of myself for even posting on it...

[sgbfan]

and this just might be a great way ...right now I still lean towards this way! why because I am tired of quick patch ups and then falling apart late in the season !!!!! I want a team with a 4 year QB that has a team that is as good as him !!!!!!!!!!!! you dont Win SB's with kids at QB very often it usaly take 4 years to realy pick up all the little nuances to become great at QB by then we could build a monster !!

It seems like a lot of the top juniors are electing to stay, so that might make next years draft really deep. Plus with letting our young guys play for a year we could better evaluate what the needs are.

If they did this, I would probably hate it because I can't stand to see the broncos play bad and lose. I am just saying that this would be the most effective way for the broncos to rebuild. I think that is what shanny did 2 years ago because of the depth of last years class.

[usedupbraids]

this will be a 3 year plan to get to the SB!!!!!!

this is going to hurt me to type......but cut

47 Lynch, John S 6' 2" 220 09/25/71 14th

66 Nalen, Tom C 6' 3" 286 05/13/71 13th

16 Plummer, Jake QB 6' 2" 212 12/19/74 10th

80 Smith, Rod WR 6' 0" 200 05/15/70 12th

82 Alexander, Stephen TE 6' 4" 250 11/07/75 9th

51 Burns, Keith LB 6' 2" 235 05/16/72 13th


72 Foster, George T 6' 5" 338 06/09/80 4th ( if they dont think he will work in our system at G )


trade

Williams, D.J. LB 6' 1" 242 07/20/82 3rd Miami

Bell, Tatum RB 5' 11" 213 03/02/81 3rd Oklahoma State

Wilson, Al LB 6' 0" 240 06/21/77 8th Tennessee

01 Elam, Jason K 5' 11" 200 03/08/70 14th

i think letting go all those people would kinda mess your salary cap up :approve: :approve:

[~Crash~]

haha that is the hilarious part. pat bowlen is tight though, he has some pretty funny one liners from time to time.


I love his takes hope he understands this but talking down to me with out looking at all my thought are wrong for one thing I hate the thoughts of this just looking at were this team will be in 2 year from this day and wanting the best for this team when jay will be in his prime! but talking down to someone who is trying to look at things a little different is BS

[~Crash~]

I was only kicking this around because I see all the players I listed as gone 2 years from now .Except Wilson now that might not sound so bad but I look at it like this with out Wilson we will lose a bunch of games and this will get us early draft picks I will list it down below

with out wilson we could net
1 1st round pick #21
2 first round picks top 5 picks
1 late 1st round pick for wilson and throw in a player if need be
1 late 1st round pick DJ ....

that would make 5 first round draft picks insead of 3 mid round picks

if you look at it like this we do nothing but a light patch job and with a good year we should go 10-6 next year and lets say 12-4 the next year those draft picks are going to be crapy . I know that taking it in the chin realy sucks for 2 years but I would like a team that will win the SB .

QB's realy come together at year 4 lets try to shoot for the moon with a team that is made for Jay not a scrap heap about the time he will be in his prime.

listen I do not think we need to do this but a version of this plan atleast I think the window for our vets left to huston on a plane last year .

[~Crash~]

The idea won't happen, but if it did it should be done in a different way. Keep the players and let them play out their contracts. Trade your first day draft picks for a later pick and one next year (ex. #21 for a third and next years first from some team). Load up the draft for next year to make moves on the players that will be strong for the next year. Play young players like Kuper, Pears, Hixon, Abdullah, Fox, Dumerville, and the picks from this year among others to see what they have. Get as much amo as possible for next year which seems like it might be a better class if a lot of the players decide to stay.

after a night of sleep I am realy liking this idea ...if there is no world beaters left at DT I say trade out of this draft after taking the best S after trading out of the first round . then try to stock pile as many picks as posible for the next year years draft...


then we could try to pick up a DT by trading with the panthers . the have a more than they need well you can never have to many DT 's that can bull rush.

[Dukes]

I was only kicking this around because I see all the players I listed as gone 2 years from now .Except Wilson now that might not sound so bad but I look at it like this with out Wilson we will lose a bunch of games and this will get us early draft picks I will list it down below

with out wilson we could net
1 1st round pick #21
2 first round picks top 5 picks
1 late 1st round pick for wilson and throw in a player if need be
1 late 1st round pick DJ ....

that would make 5 first round draft picks insead of 3 mid round picks

if you look at it like this we do nothing but a light patch job and with a good year we should go 10-6 next year and lets say 12-4 the next year those draft picks are going to be crapy . I know that taking it in the chin realy sucks for 2 years but I would like a team that will win the SB .

QB's realy come together at year 4 lets try to shoot for the moon with a team that is made for Jay not a scrap heap about the time he will be in his prime.

listen I do not think we need to do this but a version of this plan atleast I think the window for our vets left to huston on a plane last year .

Ever paid attention as to how much 1st rounders are making these days? There's no way in hell we could get that many 1st round picks and still be under the cap. Besides, 1st round picks aren't the way to go. It seems like a good idea but trading down is 8 times out of 10 the better choice anyways. This entire thread is just silly.

[~Crash~]

this is all mute we will reload I know this ...but I would not be pissed as most fans if there was a something to this effect to happen to this team .

I would bet all the same there will be fans call for Shanahans head in two years if we go 10-6 then 12-4 and realy get our ass handed to us in the play offs 2 years from now . some times it pays to think outside the box !

[~Crash~]

Ever paid attention as to how much 1st rounders are making these days? There's no way in hell we could get that many 1st round picks and still be under the cap. Besides, 1st round picks aren't the way to go. It seems like a good idea but trading down is 8 times out of 10 the better choice anyways. This entire thread is just silly.

yep you are right if the player we are looking at is not going to be pick at a spot were are picking at then sure trade down I am mot saying to draft a guy becase he is hip ! SD did this and I am sure alot of teams will follow the same idea no one guy will make your team a team but if you get strong across the board this helps for the long haul

[~Crash~]

I am talking as many draft picks as posible in the next 2 years on guys that will be gone in 2 years anyways hell lets keep wilson that is fine you guys keep up the idea that all of the guy need to be gone to do this just not true

[yavoon]

yep you are right if the player we are looking at is not going to be pickat a spot we are picking at then sure trade down I am mot saying to draft a guy becase he is hip ! SD did this and I am sure alot of teams will follow the same idea no one guy will make your team a team but if you get strong across the board this helps for the long haul

this isnt madden, massive youth loadup doesn't even really work. one it strips u of veterans u need to teach and lean on the young players and two it means all the contracts come up at similar times and they're all entering prime.

in the NFL u can't just lockup some super team of young players forever and be like "ok here comes 4 superbowls." u have to constantly juggle(see NE), 1-2 year vets are valuable. signing a cornerback who can play for 2 years, or a rb or a big olineman is all necessary in order to make it all work.

[loborugger]

I am surprised that such a silly thread has drawn so much commentary.

In letting Burns, Wilson, and Smith walk away, you are talking about getting rid of leaders of the D, O, and STs. I havent seen who you thought you would you replace all these people with. You would wreck our salary cap, destroy any locker room loyalty, and piss off legions of fans in the name of "rebuilding." You would, BTW, be rebuilding a club that has won 23 games in 2 seasons seasons and missed the playoffs for the first time in 4 years.

And what is "rebuilding" anyways? Isnt that just an admission that you doubt the ability to win with the current group? Well, between this admission and the dumping of a myriad of popular players, your statement would come true. The remaining players would quite playing for us.

We have a bright young QB, a couple of really good WRs, some real potential at TE, a monster CB, a great LB corp. I dont see why this team cant continue to compete for the forseeable future.

Tell ya what, why dont you play out your little fantasy in Madden. That is about the only place any of this stuff should contemplated.

[~Crash~]

I dont need to play this out on Madden Lobo in 2 years from this date these player will all be gone except a over the hill Wilson and Elam .

About that time Jay will be in his prime . I hope at that time we will not be in cap hell and trying these stupid patchs that get us one and done in the play offs.

I want a team that can be a team of the decade and we have the QB and a hell of alot of the pieces already there for a realy good age group 2 to 3 years from now this team will not win the SB next year and I dont want to just go to the play offs to get hammered buy some team over and over......

[~Crash~]

if we traded most of these players or cut some of these players I still think we could be a good team . we are looking at it any ways in 2 years .

also how about this I want A Bronco Plan !!!!!!! I am tired of doing what the last guy did to get over the hump... I have seen some copy cat crap from our team and I am not amused

[~Crash~]

this isnt madden, massive youth loadup doesn't even really work. one it strips u of veterans u need to teach and lean on the young players and two it means all the contracts come up at similar times and they're all entering prime.

in the NFL u can't just lockup some super team of young players forever and be like "ok here comes 4 superbowls." u have to constantly juggle(see NE), 1-2 year vets are valuable. signing a cornerback who can play for 2 years, or a rb or a big olineman is all necessary in order to make it all work.


in 2 years the guys I listed will be on other teams or done with ther carrier and some of the guys you think are young on this team will be old vets .


the strange part is I know there are other here that feel this way just dont have the balls to be honest I should of realized that this was going to be meet with a are you crazy crap .............

change is hard to accept for that intent I should relize that in the end Shanahan will atleast make this team fun to watch and as a fan I should hope the best and stay postive even when they patch the hole with sub par parts. the one thing that realy gets my goat is A QB standing in the pocket for what seem like 2 years and then picks us apart . well 6 years and running here to doing something and being good at it !!!!!

[youcandoit1687]

if we traded most of these players or cut some of these players I still think we could be a good team . we are looking at it any ways in 2 years .

also how about this I want A Bronco Plan !!!!!!! I am tired of doing what the last guy did to get over the hump... I have seen some copy cat crap from our team and I am not amused

you know, sometimes there is a reason that ideas are copied...because they work. im sure that if some GM thought your ideas would work, he would have tried it, unless i missed "the greatest super bowl team ever that steam rolled every team in its path" then i doubt that any GM in his right mind would try this crazy idea of yours.

if you can think of one circumstance in all of sports where a team has traded away all of their veterans(besides because they have salary cap issues and were forced to) and basically thrown two or three seasons to get higher draft picks and whatever the hell else you expect us to do, i will stop giving you a hard time but i cant recall any team doing anything resembling your idea.

[~Crash~]

you know, sometimes there is a reason that ideas are copied...because they work. im sure that if some GM thought your ideas would work, he would have tried it, unless i missed "the greatest super bowl team ever that steam rolled every team in its path" then i doubt that any GM in his right mind would try this crazy idea of yours.

if you can think of one circumstance in all of sports where a team has traded away all of their veterans(besides because they have salary cap issues and were forced to) and basically thrown two or three seasons to get higher draft picks and whatever the hell else you expect us to do, i will stop giving you a hard time but i cant recall any team doing anything resembling your idea.

well you are right . I agree about not throwing away any season so I am not to sure about letting go wilson . just trying like the dickens to getting as many draft pick as posible in next years draft and IMO this would make us way better late in the season when we seem to take a nose dive each year !!!

and nalen is cheap as it lynch so I was wrong about those guys

[~Crash~]

Rod Smith will do the right thing what ever that is he is a team player .

[Cito Pelon]

Seems to me this team needs new starters at LB, DT, DE, both safety spots, OT, OG, and some depth also - if they want to win a playoff game that is. If a winning record and maybe a wildcard one and done is good enough, they might be able to do that without replacing too many starters.

If that is reloading, fine, if it is rebuilding, that's fine too. However you want to term it, this team needs a lot of new starters and some depth also if they want to win a playoff game.

[youcandoit1687]

what a funny fan base we have. we go from "hey, we beat SF this week, who knows what happens in the playoffs, look at the steelers" to "oh ****, were atleast x players away from winning a game(even though we did last year with many of the same players???) and that will take a few years"

we are a couple players away from making a legit run. thats not even a homer view, in my homer opinion, we are a DT and a healthy season away from a SB run. i think we need to address a speed wr, bullrushing DT, punt returner, and to an extent, kick returner as well as some quality backups at positions like QB and DT.

the sky is not falling people.

[Cito Pelon]

what a funny fan base we have. we go from "hey, we beat SF this week, who knows what happens in the playoffs, look at the steelers" to "oh ****, were atleast x players away from winning a game(even though we did last year with many of the same players???) and that will take a few years"

we are a couple players away from making a legit run. thats not even a homer view, in my homer opinion, we are a DT and a healthy season away from a SB run. i think we need to address a speed wr, bullrushing DT, punt returner, and to an extent, kick returner as well as some quality backups at positions like QB and DT.

the sky is not falling people.

You may have held that opinion, but I don't think this team was good enough to even compete in a playoff game this year. My homer opinion is next year the team can make the playoffs, does that make you happy?

Realistically, the team is quite a few starters and depth away from making a playoff run. If the current roster is good, then the coaching staff will have to get more out of them. Finishing 2-5 and 1-3 at home in that stretch, the lone win at home on a suck-out by Cincy, doesn't charge me up.

This team needs a couple years at least to revamp the roster it looks like.

[Orange_Beard]

with out wilson we could net
1 1st round pick #21
2 first round picks top 5 picks
1 late 1st round pick for wilson and throw in a player if need be
1 late 1st round pick DJ ....


The only player we have on D worth a first rounder would be Champ.
I love Al, he is getting old and beat-up.

DJ may be a 3rd. I just don't see getting a 1st for him.

[Hogan11]

DJ may be a 3rd. I just don't see getting a 1st for him.

DJ did pretty much disappear from about mid-season on.....such things do lower a player's value some.

[~Crash~]

bump

[~Crash~]

now this is old but now you can add Champ and a few others....

[Cito Pelon]

Yeah, we could continue the same argument on this thread this January instead of a bunch of new ones.

[DHallblows]

bump

Hilarious! Never seen a thread almost a year old get bumped...

[DHallblows]

I didn't realize this was a bump at first. When I started reading this, I was really confused as to why you were mentioning Wilson hahahaha. Then I looked at the date...

[TheDave]

Wow this is going to be a long offseason... we've already had 3 different "Switch to the 3-4" threads and now were entering the "Blow it up and start over" threads... add the fireshanahan guy and this is going to be a long few months.

Somethings never change...

[~Crash~]

well you are a cazy mofro .....yep that is me!~}