RIP Darrent Williams...We'll miss you.....Sad News to report...

[Meck77]

Great post Tredici.

As I reflect on the constant news updates and posts on the Mane I can't help but feel guilty for all the times I heard about a "Man gunned down on federal" and didn't even bother to care to see his name as it appeared on screen.

The difference in this case is that somehow we all knew Darrent on various levels but there are senseless acts of violence in Denver everyday that we all turn a blind eye to. It's also hard to say if "those gunned down on the news were innocent either" but you get my point I hope.

I just have a feeling that Denver is going to become a better place after this tragic event as maybe all of us will be a little more vigilant on what goes on arround us and maybe even take actions to prevent situations like this from happening in ANY city USA going forward.

[Natedogg]

From a Nuggets board...

Whenever there's a local crime of public interest, the talkshow of record is the Peter Boyles show on KHOW. This morning he's saying the cops know who the murderer is. He's a Crip with a long rap sheet who didn't target Darrent Williams in particular. He and his entourage were waiting in line to get into the club when the limo pulled up to the front. Darrent and his friends get out, and because it's their party, cut in line and go in. Supposedly the Crip (or one of his friends) yelled something at the group as they were going in about cutting in line, and one of Darrent's friends yells something back...perhaps "baiting" the gangbanger.

Once inside, the two confront each other again verbally. The Crip (and at least one of his friends) is kicked out of the club. They fume outside with revenge on their minds, apparently having no idea who Darrent Williams is or that he was a part of the group. I was saying yesterday to a co-worker that unlike basketball players, most football players aren't known by their faces due to wearing helmets. They wait and plan to "get them" when they leave. The party breaks up, they follow, and shoot.

Supposedly the murderer wakes up to find out who he killed, and splits for Las Vegas, and then goes to LA, where he's currently in hiding, covered by his gangland friends. This is obviously police speculation, based upon the SOP of gangbangers when the heat is on in Denver because "it's hard to hide in Denver if you're black" (compared to LA). The murderer is apparently not a kid, instead being a veteran gangbanger. The police have surveillance videotape and supposedly witnesses at the club have confirmed he's the guy.

The party was public. People got email invites, and it was advertised at Independent Records on Colfax. The email invite mentions Tatum Bell, DJ Williams, Darrent Williams (one other), JR Smith and Dermarr Johnson. Patty Calhoun, the editor of Westword, was reading from the email invitation, and said KMart was NOT mentioned anywhere. He WAS there, but left early without incident as he said.

Boyles gets this info from sources within the DPD which have given him information on other local crimes, and his info is as good as it gets. Not infallible, but ALWAYS ahead of the standard media and almost always correct.

Thanks for the post. If its true it makes me feel better its not KM/Melo related.

This **** better not get away though.

[alkemical]

Thanks for the post. If its true it makes me feel better its not KM/Melo related.

This **** better not get away though.

Yeah at the bottom of my post (in the edited section i put a disclaimer there)

I found it and didn't see it on the thread - so i thought i'd post it.

[footstepsfrom#27]

From a Nuggets board...

Whenever there's a local crime of public interest, the talkshow of record is the Peter Boyles show on KHOW. This morning he's saying the cops know who the murderer is. He's a Crip with a long rap sheet who didn't target Darrent Williams in particular. He and his entourage were waiting in line to get into the club when the limo pulled up to the front. Darrent and his friends get out, and because it's their party, cut in line and go in. Supposedly the Crip (or one of his friends) yelled something at the group as they were going in about cutting in line, and one of Darrent's friends yells something back...perhaps "baiting" the gangbanger.

Once inside, the two confront each other again verbally. The Crip (and at least one of his friends) is kicked out of the club. They fume outside with revenge on their minds, apparently having no idea who Darrent Williams is or that he was a part of the group. I was saying yesterday to a co-worker that unlike basketball players, most football players aren't known by their faces due to wearing helmets. They wait and plan to "get them" when they leave. The party breaks up, they follow, and shoot.

Supposedly the murderer wakes up to find out who he killed, and splits for Las Vegas, and then goes to LA, where he's currently in hiding, covered by his gangland friends. This is obviously police speculation, based upon the SOP of gangbangers when the heat is on in Denver because "it's hard to hide in Denver if you're black" (compared to LA). The murderer is apparently not a kid, instead being a veteran gangbanger. The police have surveillance videotape and supposedly witnesses at the club have confirmed he's the guy.

The party was public. People got email invites, and it was advertised at Independent Records on Colfax. The email invite mentions Tatum Bell, DJ Williams, Darrent Williams (one other), JR Smith and Dermarr Johnson. Patty Calhoun, the editor of Westword, was reading from the email invitation, and said KMart was NOT mentioned anywhere. He WAS there, but left early without incident as he said.

Boyles gets this info from sources within the DPD which have given him information on other local crimes, and his info is as good as it gets. Not infallible, but ALWAYS ahead of the standard media and almost always correct.
If this version of events is true, it answers several questions I've been wondering about, namely whether the party was public or private, whether the shooter was associated directly with Nugget players hosting the party or just a random attendant, and whether witnesses had already come forward, which seemed likely since this was such a public venue. If this guy his hiding among LA's gangsterland underground, it could be extraordinarily difficult to find him. There are large sections of that city where cops don't even venture into unless they're part of a large, organized and heavily armed force.

[BroncoBuff]

My avatar and signiture were hard to make. RIP
They look good. Mine didn't take that long, but I just finished my sig below. I had forgotten he was my adoptee.

[watermock]

http://www.9news.com/9slideshows/Darrent%20Williams%20killed/13.jpg

Javon. *warning* kinda graphic.

[Nuggets4]

One thing I have always enjoyed about the Denver pro athlete community is the way they seem to take an interest in and support each other.

The charity softball games with Patrick Roy gaurding home plate like it's his net and no one is getting in.

Larry Walker with headphones on in Right Field listening to the Avs Stanley Cup Playoff runs.

Peter Forsberg sitting on the edge of his couch concentrating on a game he is clueless about - American Football, but knowing he wants the Broncos to win the Super Bowl.

Numerous Broncos showing up at Nugget games.

Nugget players on the sidelines at Bronco games.

Maybe its a reflection of a smaller community. Maybe it's the proximation of the city's sports arenas. But it has always been one of the things which is right. The accessibility to players in Denver has always been there, too. Everyone knows what restaurants certain guys hang out in. I'm not into the club life, but I'm sure that is known information to those that are.

It's a damn shame to think that accessibility is something perilous to the safety of these players.

New Year's Eve and a birthday party for Kenyon Martin. Doesn't sound ominous to me. All the Nuggets had left right after midnight. To even involve them in this tragedy is beyond me.

There were some idiots there. Taunts are heard. The Bronco players do the right thing and leave. They are in a limo - no one is driving drunk. One young lady is being given ride to her car parked 6 blocks away. She ends up injured and another young man loses his life.

Sometimes you can do everything right and still be victimized.

The only blame lays with the perpetrators.

I hope they didn't take more from the Denver sports scene than Darrent Williams. That loss is enough.

I hate it when people quote entire posts, but sometimes it's warranted.

Post of the Century.

[JimmyFocus]

Straight from 9news.com

All Points Bulletin released in Williams murder case
http://www.9news.com/genthumb.ashx?w=110&h=80&e=5&i=/assetpool/images/070103113832_breakingnews.jpgPolice have issued an APB for Colo. license plate 665 OBS. 9NEWS has learned the 1998 white Chevy Tahoe believed to be involved in the shooting death of Darrent Williams is registered to Brian Hicks. Hicks, 27, is currently in jail on attempted murder charges. The key witness, Lonnie Clark, in the case against Hicks was gunned down outside of her house December 6, days before she was to testify against him.

[Hotrod]

Straight from 9news.com

All Points Bulletin released in Williams murder case
http://www.9news.com/genthumb.ashx?w=110&h=80&e=5&i=/assetpool/images/070103113832_breakingnews.jpgPolice have issued an APB for Colo. license plate 665 OBS. 9NEWS has learned the 1998 white Chevy Tahoe believed to be involved in the shooting death of Darrent Williams is registered to Brian Hicks. Hicks, 27, is currently in jail on attempted murder charges. The key witness, Lonnie Clark, in the case against Hicks was gunned down outside of her house December 6, days before she was to testify against him.


Well thats nice theres a whole group of these POS's.

[shakenbake]

Straight from 9news.com

All Points Bulletin released in Williams murder case
http://www.9news.com/genthumb.ashx?w=110&h=80&e=5&i=/assetpool/images/070103113832_breakingnews.jpgPolice have issued an APB for Colo. license plate 665 OBS. 9NEWS has learned the 1998 white Chevy Tahoe believed to be involved in the shooting death of Darrent Williams is registered to Brian Hicks. Hicks, 27, is currently in jail on attempted murder charges. The key witness, Lonnie Clark, in the case against Hicks was gunned down outside of her house December 6, days before she was to testify against him.

Wow, no wonder witnesses have been slow to come forward. Sounds like some pretty bad dudes. The main witness in the other case was gunned down?? I hope they get these bastards.

[Jens1893]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5202357,00.html

[watermock]

They will never find that Tahoe...it will be wiped down and stripped, then stripped. How appropriate that the owner is in jail for attempted murder and his buddies nixed an innocent woman witness. Disgusting.

If these clowns are sloppy and might leave a print under the hoor or something. I would like to believe that they will find the vehicle, but I'm not very optimistic. Hopefully they are stupid enough to drive it around LA but we all know how competent that outfit in LA is.

They got a LP but that doesn't do much. They will have that SUV stripped and chopped up by now. I'll be surprised if they catch anyone. The murderer might allready be in mexico. If the owner is in jail, they can't pin it on him...

Now we get word a witness that was gunned down by a friend of the owner of the vehicle. We need to start lining these criminals up an expiditing them.

It's going to be impossible to know who was driving, yet alone the shooter(x).

[XXXII&III]

I have faith DPD will catch these bad asses. They tracked down a cop killer who fled to Mexico and brought him back for trial. They'll get these POS's, too.

[Crushaholic]

What an F'N mess. I can only hope the shooter(s) is brought to justice at some point...

[Elway 4 Life]

When they do catch him/them send em on down here to Texas and we will express lane there asses thru gas chamber.

[Traveler]

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9903290

[XXXII&III]

When they do catch him/them, watch the scumbag defense attorney whine for a venue change due to not being able to get a fair trial in Denver. Which might be a valid point.

[alkemical]

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_4942657

Suspect vehicle identified

[alkemical]

Suspect vehicle identified
By Kirk Mitchell and Felisa Cardona
Denver Post Staff Writers
DenverPost.com
Article Last Updated:01/03/2007 11:27:50 AM MST

Denver police sources confirmed an all-points bulletin was issued for a white 1998 Chevrolet Tahoe registered to Brian Hicks in connection with the Darrent Williams homicide. The vehicle's license plate number is 665-OBS.

Hicks, 27, is currently in jail on charges of trying to shoot and kill two women.

One of the women he is suspected of shooting, Lonnie Clark, was recently shot to death in her Cherry Creek apartment just before she was set to testify against Hicks.

Early New Year's Day, a white SUV pulled up beside the stretch Hummer limousine occupied by Williams and teammate Javon Walker and peppered the luxury vehicle with numerous shots.

In several dispatch transmissions this morning, police were being urged to use caution as they approached anyone in the Tahoe, to hold any persons found in the SUV and to call Lt. Jon Priest, Denver police homicide supervisor.

Williams was gunned down after leaving the Shelter, a nightclub at 1037 Broadway, with a large group of friends.

"We're progressing with the case," said Sonny Jackson, Denver police spokesman. "We're getting tips all the time."

Police are offering a $2,000 reward for information leading to the capture of any suspect in the case.

Two other people in the Hummer, Nicole Reindl, 21, who was shot in the head, and Brandon Flowers, who was treated and released Monday, were also injured during the shooting.

Staff writer Kirk Mitchell can be reached at 303-954-1206 or kmitchell@denverpost.com.

[watermock]

Maybe tommorow I won't cry again.

[bpc]

Suspect vehicle identified
By Kirk Mitchell and Felisa Cardona
Denver Post Staff Writers
DenverPost.com
Article Last Updated:01/03/2007 11:27:50 AM MST

Denver police sources confirmed an all-points bulletin was issued for a white 1998 Chevrolet Tahoe registered to Brian Hicks in connection with the Darrent Williams homicide. The vehicle's license plate number is 665-OBS.

Hicks, 27, is currently in jail on charges of trying to shoot and kill two women.

One of the women he is suspected of shooting, Lonnie Clark, was recently shot to death in her Cherry Creek apartment just before she was set to testify against Hicks.

Early New Year's Day, a white SUV pulled up beside the stretch Hummer limousine occupied by Williams and teammate Javon Walker and peppered the luxury vehicle with numerous shots.

In several dispatch transmissions this morning, police were being urged to use caution as they approached anyone in the Tahoe, to hold any persons found in the SUV and to call Lt. Jon Priest, Denver police homicide supervisor.

Williams was gunned down after leaving the Shelter, a nightclub at 1037 Broadway, with a large group of friends.

"We're progressing with the case," said Sonny Jackson, Denver police spokesman. "We're getting tips all the time."

Police are offering a $2,000 reward for information leading to the capture of any suspect in the case.

Two other people in the Hummer, Nicole Reindl, 21, who was shot in the head, and Brandon Flowers, who was treated and released Monday, were also injured during the shooting.

Staff writer Kirk Mitchell can be reached at 303-954-1206 or kmitchell@denverpost.com.

You know... sometimes it takes something tragic like losing a guy of D-Will's caliber to shed light on some problem that has gone un-noticed. Not even close to the national spotlight is a woman who was a witness that got murdered in cold blood. Who knows if they would have tried to find the people responsible quite as hard if D-Will's murder had not shown some light on the perpetraitors.

There is a number with the vehicle now and the violators seem to be some cold bastards that have murdered before. This incident could help bring closure to several different cases in which these assholes have gotten away with what they have done.

I hope they catch these guys.

I think they should up the ante on this reward. I'm sure a fatter check will get backstabbers coming out of the wood work to rat these guys out.

[Bowser]

Belated condolences on the loss of Darrent Williams. I hope they catch the bastard(s) who did this, and let the Bronco players exact a little revenge.

Stupid, senseless act.

[Jason in LA]

I was looking through the photos that I took at the SD game and found a few of D. Will. I wish I had gotten some more.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/Jlewis3233/DWillsack.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/Jlewis3233/DWill.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/Jlewis3233/DWillportrait.jpg

[Tredici]

Nice Jason. Thanks for sharing.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Nice Jason. Thanks for sharing.

Ditto. Thank you.

[bpc]

I was looking through the photos that I took at the SD game and found a few of D. Will. I wish I had gotten some more.



Thanks for your quotes and pictures... who would have thought this game would have marked the last month of his life. It truly is a shame.

[ColoradoBuff]

Here are some pics that were posted on a nuggets board.










http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c18/YourLadyWish/DWill8.jpghttp://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c18/YourLadyWish/DWill7.jpg

[55CrushEm]

Here are some pics that were posted on a nuggets board.










http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c18/YourLadyWish/DWill8.jpghttp://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c18/YourLadyWish/DWill7.jpg

I'm assuming these were at the New Year's party? Or some other party at some other time?

Fine, upstanding group that D-Will appears to be with.....:oyvey:

[loborugger]

RIP DWill. Heard about it from the road. What a shame.

[usedupbraids]

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9239/ripoo4.pngR.I.P......

[footstepsfrom#27]

I'm assuming these were at the New Year's party? Or some other party at some other time?

Fine, upstanding group that D-Will appears to be with.....:oyvey:
Where exactly are you going with this?

[scorpio]

I'm assuming these were at the New Year's party? Or some other party at some other time?

Fine, upstanding group that D-Will appears to be with.....:oyvey:

Those pics are on his myspace page too, they're from a party for his record label. That's some of his stable. Who is he supposed to sign, the Mormon Tabernacle Choir?

[Dagmar]

I'm assuming these were at the New Year's party? Or some other party at some other time?

Fine, upstanding group that D-Will appears to be with.....:oyvey:

Thats funny, I don't see guns. Lots of smiling faces of people in their early 20's having fun that people who have come into money can have.

You sir, are judging them because of the colour of their skin and for that you should be ashamed.

[bpc]

Thats funny, I don't see guns. Lots of smiling faces of people in their early 20's having fun that people who have come into money can have.

You sir, are judging them because of the colour of their skin and for that you should be ashamed.

Thank you! Christ, some of you people are digging for reasons to pick on D-Will. Listen, he was young, black, from a much different neighborhood than you and he had money.

As stated, there are no pictures with shotguns, handguns, drugs or anything else. They look very much like any other group of young guys having a good time on the town. Would it be any different if there was a bunch of muscled up white frat guys in button up shirts hanging on to sorority girls who are all wasted?

Stop digging for things just because you don't understand their culture. Its sad and D-Will deserves better.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

I'm so heartsick over DW's murder that I just can't enjoy anything football related. Saturday's college games including the Razorback game didn't hold my interest one bit. This site just makes me want to cry every time I log on. I'm going to take a hiatus from the 'mane until I can stomach reading about Darrent again... maybe around draft time. Talk to you all later...

[bpc]

More light being shed on the nightclub altercation as bouncer speaks out...

Club Bouncer Recalls Last Time He Saw Williams Share Your Sympathies Regarding Darrent Williams' Death

Shaun Boyd
Reporting

(CBS4) DENVER A bouncer at the nightclub where Darrent Williams spent his final hours said gang rivalry likely sparked the shooting early New Year's Day.

Kou Marquardt escorted Williams and his friends into the Shelter club at 10th and Broadway where they were celebrating at a birthday party for Denver Nuggets player Kenyon Martin.

"That night was magical," Marquardt said. "A lot of handshakes, a lot of hugs."

Even though there were about 1,500 people at the club that night, Marquardt said Williams was the life of the party.

"Out of everybody in there (Williams) was the most fluid," Marquardt said. "He pretty much set the tempo for everyone else in the group of ball players that were there."

Marquardt said Williams spent his final hours laughing, dancing and hanging out with friends.

"Normally when you're VIP, you stay within that area but he was just about the club and talked to people," he added. "He was hanging in the DJ booth. He was just living in the moment."

He was sure that Williams wasn't the target of the shooting but believed a member of his group was. Marquardt said that person was an apparent gang member who started talking gang turf and flashing gang symbols outside the club.

He had a bad feeling and tried to clear the club fast. Marquardt said he was looking for a taxi for Bronco Javon Walker when he saw Williams outside his limo.

"'Darrent' I said 'do me a favor. Javon wants to take a taxi, do you got room in this bad boy,'" Marquardt said. "He was like, 'yeah, tell him come on lets go.' So as I started to walk back in the club to tell Javon there was something that was said that caught my ear. I immediately turned around and said 'cut the games man, we're family, we're not going there.'"

Marquardt didn't hear about the shooting until hours later.

"Whoever did that, don't let them hunt you down like a dog ... turn yourself in, be accountable," Marquardt said.

With justice, he hopes there will be peace which is something he said Williams had that last night.

"He went from one party to the next party where he's at now," Marquardt said. "What a beautiful spirit."

The Shelter nightclub has been closed since the shooting. It will reopen for the first time Wednesday night.

http://cbs4denver.com/topstories/local_story_003202539.html

[bpc]

Crazy as it seems Javon wasn't even supposed to be in D-Will's limo... he was trying to hail a taxi. How a moment in time can change your whole life.

[freak6]

Definitely one of my favorite Broncos. He might have screwed up a few times, took a ton of heat, but he had the heart of a lion and he always gave 100%. And that is all anyone can ask of another.

Playing opposite of Champ Bailey is definitely the worst/most demanding and difficult starting DB position in the league, bar none. And D.W. always showed up with a smile on his face and motivated to do his very best.

My heart goes out to his family, friends, and Javon.

[55CrushEm]

Thats funny, I don't see guns. Lots of smiling faces of people in their early 20's having fun that people who have come into money can have.

You sir, are judging them because of the colour of their skin and for that you should be ashamed.

**** you, Dagmar. You jerks sure like to throw labels around, don't you?

I'm not judging them on the color of their skin......if that were the case, I wouldn't even like D-Will at all, would I? He's black too, isn't he?

I cried for 2 days over D-Will's death.....so you can kiss my a$$ for saying that I judge people by skin color......YOU sir should be ashamed.

My only point is that they look like a bunch of punks......I hate rap, hate most rappers for the violence they often preach....that is all. I don't hate them for being black.

I can't stand Eminem for the same reasons.......so **** you.

[freak6]

:nono:

[footstepsfrom#27]

**** you, Dagmar. You jerks sure like to throw labels around, don't you?

I'm not judging them on the color of their skin......if that were the case, I wouldn't even like D-Will at all, would I? He's black too, isn't he?

I cried for 2 days over D-Will's death.....so you can kiss my a$$ for saying that I judge people by skin color......YOU sir should be ashamed.

My only point is that they look like a bunch of punks......I hate rap, hate most rappers for the violence they often preach....that is all. I don't hate them for being black.

I can't stand Eminem for the same reasons.......so **** you.
Not all rap or hip hop glorifies the gang culture and some of it is actually used as a tool to combat those messages. You've already heard that D-Will wanted to work with kids to keep them away from those influences, so I'm trying to figure out how you're making the connection that you seem to be making through these photos. What do the pics of young people dancing to hip hop have to do with the fact that D-Will was gunned down by gangsters while trying to leave a potential confrontation in a party where hundreds of people were in attendance? You don't like rap...fine...neither do I. That has zip to do with this situation, where as I understand it, a huge gathering attended a party on New Years Eve...when literally EVERYONE is likely to be out partying. What do you think D-Will should have done? Refused to go out that night? These guys are professional athletes with high visibility and they're obviously acustomed to being recognized and probably acosted by fans and hecklers. He did the right thing...walking away...what possible connection is there to the fact that he grew up in this culture and got killed leaving a party when by all accounts the conflict that sparked this probably had nothing to do with him anyway?

This is not the time to speculate about stuff like this, especially when there is no evidence that supports the idea that he was somehow at fault. Even if there way...now is not the time.

[55CrushEm]

Not all rap or hip hop glorifies the gang culture and some of it is actually used as a tool to combat those messages. You've already heard that D-Will wanted to work with kids to keep them away from those influences, so I'm trying to figure out how you're making the connection that you seem to be making through these photos. What do the pics of young people dancing to hip hop have to do with the fact that D-Will was gunned down by gangsters while trying to leave a potential confrontation in a party where hundreds of people were in attendance? You don't like rap...fine...neither do I. That has zip to do with this situation, where as I understand it, a huge gathering attended a party on New Years Eve...when literally EVERYONE is likely to be out partying. What do you think D-Will should have done? Refused to go out that night? These guys are professional athletes with high visibility and they're obviously acustomed to being recognized and probably acosted by fans and hecklers. He did the right thing...walking away...what possible connection is there to the fact that he grew up in this culture and got killed leaving a party when by all accounts the conflict that sparked this probably had nothing to do with him anyway?

This is not the time to speculate about stuff like this, especially when there is no evidence that supports the idea that he was somehow at fault. Even if there way...now is not the time.

Dude, we can end this now......all I said is what a bunch of fine upstanding people he looks like he's with.....yes, there was sarcasm. A few of the people in the picture have that "angry man" look on their face, showing off the money and the "bling".

I hate that entire image......

No, I was not referring to D-Will himself.....obviously, as always, D-Will is smiling and looks like a lot of fun to be around. NEVER said D-will shouldn't have gone out, or that he was the problem.....STOP jumping to stupid conclusions about what you THINK I'm implying.....

Isn't it possible to be a great person, and not hang out with the best of people......I know I did when I was in high school, and at other points in my life.

[TailgateNut]

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9239/ripoo4.pngR.I.P......


I placed a little tribute from the O'mane at the memorial yesterday morning. Had to choke back the tears, just thinking of this senseless tragedy!

[broncosteven]

I placed a little tribute from the O'mane at the memorial yesterday morning. Had to choke back the tears, just thinking of this senseless tragedy!

that was nice Dude. Thanks!

[Jason in LA]

Dude, we can end this now......all I said is what a bunch of fine upstanding people he looks like he's with.....yes, there was sarcasm. A few of the people in the picture have that "angry man" look on their face, showing off the money and the "bling".



I'm not here to take you to task, so I don't want you to take it like that. I'm just clearing a misconception up.

For a while now it seems like the gangsters/thugs and the normal folks are dressing alike. They all dress like the rappers. I'd say that both groups have gravitated to that. There are a lot of good kids/young men who dress like the guys in the photo. There are also thugs/gangbangers who dress like the guys in that photo. You don't see too many guys in that "gangsta" uniform anymore. They've seemed to blend in a lot more. So I wouldn't judge by a photo, unless a guy is being obvious about being a thug/gangster. You can go to a college party and see black guys, who attend college, dressed like that. There are black guys on college campuses, who have never broken a law, who dress like that. It's not really a gangster style, even though the gangsters are started to dress like that more.

[Jens1893]

I placed a little tribute from the O'mane at the memorial yesterday morning. Had to choke back the tears, just thinking of this senseless tragedy!

Thank you.

[Meck77]

I placed a little tribute from the O'mane at the memorial yesterday morning. Had to choke back the tears, just thinking of this senseless tragedy!

Right on Nut.:peace:

[XXXII&III]

From today's Denver Post:<TABLE cellPadding=8 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=articleOverline>broncos</TD></TR><!--title--><TR><TD class=articleTitle>A "beautiful" farewell</TD></TR><!--subtitle--><TR><TD class=articleSubTitle>Broncos have private, two-hour memorial service for teammate</TD></TR><!--byline--><TR><TD class=articleByline>By Bill Williamson
Denver Post Staff Writer
DenverPost.com</TD></TR><!--date--><TR><TD class=articleDate>Article Launched:01/04/2007 01:00:00 AM MST</TD></TR><TR><TD height=10></TD></TR><TR><TD class=articleBody>
The Broncos had their last chance, as a unit, to spend time with Darrent Williams' spirit.
For those in attendance, the farewell to their tiny, but mighty, friend who was shot and killed Monday morning in a drive-by shooting was "beautiful."
Tears, laughter and countless tributes highlighted a two-hour private memorial service held by the team at Broncos headquarters Wednesday morning. The service was attended by owner Pat Bowlen, the coaching staff, the team, a few other personnel members and the Williams family. Longtime Broncos defensive end Trevor Pryce, now with Baltimore, was also in attendance.
"It was a special, special morning," said Williams' uncle, Demond Williams. "It had plenty of sad moments, but there was also laughter. It had its up and downs, but it was a beautiful time."
Two large photos of Williams were displayed in the front of the room, his uncle said. One was a photo at a football camp and the other was a photo of Williams, sporting his "fro-hawk" haircut this season. Williams' No. 27 jerseys also were displayed.
Tuesday, coach Mike Shana- han said several players asked him to have the private memorial. It gave the players the opportunity to share their thoughts, emotions and stories with Williams' family privately.
The entire team, including spouses, will fly on a chartered flight to the Fort Worth, Texas, hometown of Williams for the funeral. The Broncos will have a memorial Friday at Dove Valley for employees.
Wednesday's ceremony, though, was small, intimate and powerful.
"It gave us a chance to let D-Will's family know what he meant to all of us in the short time we knew him," safety Nick Ferguson said. "It gave us time to reflect as a unit."
The defensive secondary went up to the front of the room as a unit, and several veterans, including receiver Rod Smith, linebacker Al Wilson and quarterback Jake Plummer, spoke, Demond Williams said. Bowlen and Shanahan were also among the group, which Williams estimated at about 30.
Most of the team spent time with the family, Williams said. He said receiver Javon Walker also spoke with the Williams family, including Darrent's mother, Rosalind. Walker was sitting close to Williams in a limousine when he was killed.
"It's very hard on him," Demond Williams said of Walker. "To be right there when your teammate died is tough. ... He needs people's prayers, too."
Ferguson said he was thankful to Bowlen and the organization for giving the players the opportunity to say goodbye Wednesday. "I don't know how many other organizations would react like this one has," Ferguson said. "It is first class. It makes me feel so good. ... It's nice to know that if that was me, they would be treating my memory and my family the way they are D-Will." Staff writer Bill Williamson can be reached at 303-954-1262 or bwilliamson@denverpost.com (bwilliamson@denverpost.com).
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[Odysseus]

It is always insightful to see the differing posts struggling to understand something clearly outside of their daily lives.

I'm learning to pray a lot.

[broncosteven]

I have some game day pictures of Darrent to post but do not know how to get them posted here. Can some one help?

[12th man]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bt2BispCXO0

This is a pretty darn good tribute to DW. It is actual video highlights of his career, wich suprised me because the NFL got pretty pissed at youtube for having video highlights and youtube had to take those videos out. So you might want to watch his while you can, because who knows if youtube takes this down or not.

[Man-Goblin]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bt2BispCXO0

This is a pretty darn good tribute to DW. It is actual video highlights of his career, wich suprised me because the NFL got pretty pissed at youtube for having video highlights and youtube had to take those videos out. So you might want to watch his well you can, because who knows if youtube takes this down or not.

brought some tears to my eye man. thanks.

[Tredici]

One of the local sportscasters said he was talking to Darent after the game where the kid got torched by Peyton Manning. He said he asked him, "How do you get over a game like that?" He said Darent smiled and said "I'm already over it. This is what I do. Get ready for next week."

Champ Bailey was a few lockers down and came over and said, "Everybody has a tough game. What this kid is doing? I wasn't doing that my second year in the league. He is going to be something."

Watching the highlights on the U Tube video shows that again, Champ was right.

[Crushaholic]

One of the local sportscasters said he was talking to Darent after the game where the kid got torched by Peyton Manning. He said he asked him, "How do you get over a game like that?" He said Darent smiled and said "I'm already over it. This is what I do. Get ready for next week."

Champ Bailey was a few lockers down and came over and said, "Everybody has a tough game. What this kid is doing? I wasn't doing that my second year in the league. He is going to be something."

Watching the highlights on the U Tube video shows that again, Champ was right.

Wow. Just think what kind of potential career was instantly snuffed out...:'(

[TDmvp]

that trib video 12thman linked from youtube was a real nice one ... i converted it to wmv and stuck it on a putfile account if anyone wants ... maybe we need just a thread with all the video type /flash tributes


http://media.putfile.com/Darrent

[UKBronco]

Man that video made me watery eyed.

It's so hard to get over.

[Mediator12]

I hope the Lord grants Darrent's family the Strength, Hope, and Peace they are going to need in this time of loss. There is no loss quite like that of a child who proceeeds his parents in death. I have experienced it more than once in my immediate family, with one of my cousins also murdered by gun fire. That kind of grief can be debilitating without support, faith, hope, and Love. As a counselor, I have done this kind of grief counseling for only a short time, but in my own life I have been doing it for my family for over ten years.

Grief strikes everyone differently and for me it has been exhaustive contemplating his loss. I did not know him very well at all, but I did know him and he knew me. Unlike many here who have never had more than a few words with Darrent, I have spent a few weeks of Training camp with the secondary trying to get to know them and how the broncos work. Darrent was a great young man with an enormous heart and a zest for life. He had a great attititude and he always kept the mood light and fun, even for the veterans like Lynch and Champ. His character and personality were remarkable.

All week, every day, I have started to write something on this thread and I have been without the words to do so. I have spent most of the week in prayer and reflection on how fragile life truly is. Most people spend everyday thinking about such trivial and meaningless things while neglecting the important aspects in their life.

Darrent's death is a tragedy that I hope has a profound effect on Broncos fans and our society in general. I hope that people realize that life is precious and fleeting and can be taken in a moment. Live in the here and now everyday like it can be your last, because it could be. Treat people with respect and dignity because that may be the last thing you ever say to them.

For all the people I have treated harshly on this board, I apologize. I try my best to be cordial and keep things from getting personal, but occasionally I fail here despite taking great lengths not to be that way. Most especially, I want to offer my condolences to Rhino for his loss. We have had some heated debates over Darrent on this board, but I never once took a personal shot at Darrent for who he was. In fact, I really expected him to break out any game so I could finally stop the harsh criticism of his performance. As it is, those were some of my last words about him here and I have to live with that.

[Mtbrncofn]

Man that video made me watery eyed.

It's so hard to get over.

Couldn't agree with you more.

[bpc]

He had such a bright future, on and off the field. It takes tragedy to truly appreciate a great young player like that. Seperate the few bad games and examine all the really good ones.

[watermock]

5 days and I thought I wouldn't cry today. That video changed that quick. I also became violently ill for a minute. Hopefully, by next week I can just be angry after the funeral.

I can't help but feel the trail is growing cold. Hopefully the cops have some hot leads they are keeping under wraps, but if the cretin(s) made it to L.A. I'm not overly optimistic.

[alkemical]

I haven't cried yet over this. I feel sorry an event happened, but i'm not really attatched.

[Mediator12]

I haven't cried yet over this. I feel sorry an event happened, but i'm not really attatched.

No problem with that. It hits everyone differently and if you are not that emotionally invested your probably not going to experience the crying part of grief. I have not cried over it yet, but I have experienced a lot more than most and deal with Death almost daily with what I do.

[UKBronco]

I was never an R-Kelly fan, but that song is just perfect for that Darrent video.

I am a mountain
I am a tall tree ohh..
I am a swift wind sweeping the country
I am a river down in the valley ohh..
I am a vision and I can see clearly

If anybody asks you who I am
Just stand up tall
Look 'em in the face and say

I'm that star up in the sky :-/
I'm that mountain peak up high
Hey I made it
Mmm..
I'm the world's greatest
And I'm that little bit of hope
When my backs against the ropes
I can feel it
Mmm..
I'm the world's greatest
the world greatest,
the world greatest, ever

I am a giant
I am an eagle ooh..
I am a lion
Down in the jungle
I am a marching band
I am the people ooh..
I am a helping hand
I am a hero
Ohh..

If anybody asks you who I am
Just stand up tall
Look 'em in the face and say

I'm that star up in the sky
I'm that moutain peak up high
Hey, I made it
Mmmm...
I'm the world´s greatest
I'm that little bit of hope
When my backs against the ropes
I can feel it
Mmmm...
I'm the world´s greatest


In the ring of life, I'll reign love (I will reign)

And the world will notice a king (Oh Yeah..)
When there is darkest, I'll shine a light (Shine a light..)
And mirrors of success reflect in me
I'm that star up in the sky (uh, uh)
I'm that mountain (peak up high) peak up high
Hey I made It (hey I made it)
I'm the worlds greatest (I'm that little bit)
I'm that little bit of hope (uh, uh)
When my back's against the ropes (when my back's against the ropes)
I can feel it (I can feel it)
I'm the world's greatest

[broncosteven]

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4186/broncosd123106dwillyy9.jpg

My Wife took these all by herself. She surprised me.

BTW Big time Thanks to Kahn for helping me figure out how to post these pics!

[broncosteven]

http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/9919/dwillandsecondary123106dm8.jpg

This is all Karen! She got this gem pre-game 12-31-06, I think that is Bob Slowic in the center.

[broncosteven]

http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/9110/orangesunset123106ho2.jpg

Karen got this great shot also.

If God is not a Bronco fan, why are sunsets Orange?

I think He was in the house looking over Darrent on 12-31-06.

Steve

[XXXII&III]

I posted about this briefly in the Arrest thread. 9News showed a clip of the memorial service in Fort Worth tonight and there was a distant shot of Darrent lying in his casket. It was so devastatingly sad. All I could think was that such a short time ago whenever I'd see him on tv he was alive and vibrant and nothing could wipe that brilliant million dollar smile from his face. To contrast that image with the shell of him left in that casket is... I just don't have the words for it.

[Tredici]

I posted about this briefly in the Arrest thread. 9News showed a clip of the memorial service in Fort Worth tonight and there was a distant shot of Darrent lying in his casket. It was so devastatingly sad. All I could think was that such a short time ago whenever I'd see him on tv he was alive and vibrant and nothing could wipe that brilliant million dollar smile from his face. To contrast that image with the shell of him left in that casket is... I just don't have the words for it.


Couldn't agree more. Seeing that empty helmet and jersey hung up in that room adds to the overall image of loss. So many people paying respects wearing that number 27 jersey. That whole Fort Worth neighborhood was so proud of William's accomplishments. Difficult to watch.

[XXXII&III]

It really was. You could just feel the pain radiating from the kid who said something to the effect that out of all of us, he'd made it big. So obvious that Darrent was a huge part of their community. As bad as we feel about it, they have to be feeling the loss so much more. We had him for 2 years... they had him for much longer.

[gunns]

I posted about this briefly in the Arrest thread. 9News showed a clip of the memorial service in Fort Worth tonight and there was a distant shot of Darrent lying in his casket. It was so devastatingly sad. All I could think was that such a short time ago whenever I'd see him on tv he was alive and vibrant and nothing could wipe that brilliant million dollar smile from his face. To contrast that image with the shell of him left in that casket is... I just don't have the words for it.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/slideshow.htm?content_id=16394710&pub_name=dfw&language=en&palette_name=dfw&site_name=dfw&start=2&component_title=&component_desc

[Mtbrncofn]

If this doesn't just break your heart, I don't know what would.

http://www.dfw.com/images/dfw/dfw/16394/268774891134.jpg

[XXXII&III]

Tierria Leonard, girlfriend of slain Denver Broncos football player Darrent Williams, holds their son, Darius, 7, during visitation for Williams at the Great Commission Baptist Church in Fort Worth.

yep.

[Mtbrncofn]

Awww man, look at his shirt.

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070106/capt.wxs12401060239.broncos_williams_killed_wxs124 .jpg

[broncolife]

Man that picture with his son is a heartbreaker

[XXXII&III]

Achingly so.

Her shirt says "always in my heart." Obviously she's hurting, too. I don't know how old she is, must be about the same age as Darrent, but he was 17 when his son was born. She must have been that age or younger. They never married, but had 2 kids together. I'd read something, somewhere, about how he said (paraphrasing) he was thankful he didn't have the typical "ex" issues to deal with like some of his peers did.

That's another indication of what a good kid Darrent was - to have maintained what looks like a decent relationship with the mother of his children. Even though they never married, they'd been together a long time considering how young they were/are.

She said in an interview that she & the kids had been up here for the Xmas Eve game. For him to bring her up, and not just the kids, means they must have gotten along well.

I'm used to reading about professional athletes who have kids spread all over the country by multiple women.

I'm much older and didn't come out of the same background that those kids did, but I sure don't have that kind of relationship with my ex. In fact he's a.... oops

The more I hear about DWill the more impressed I am with what kind of character he had to come so far. What a loss.

[watermock]

thanks for making me cry for the 5th day in a row.

It's OK. I'm not asking for any sympathy...I think I'm just a bit soft hearted.

Ironically, I can be incredibly brutal in my opinions.

[youcandoit1687]

Arrested Man Questioned About Williams Case

(AP) DENVER Police arrested a 23-year-old man Friday and plan to question him about the shooting death of Denver Broncos player Darrent Williams.

Willie Clark was arrested for a parole violation after his name surfaced in the investigation, police spokesman Sonny Jackson said.

"We're not calling him a suspect at this time," Jackson said.

Jackson said they have questioned more than 50 people since Williams was shot as he drove away from a New Year's Eve party at a nightclub in a stretch Hummer limousine.

An "associate" of Clark's also had been contacted but released, Jackson said.

"I hope he is a valuable individual that will help assist us," Jackson said of Clark. "I hope that he'll make a difference for us in solving this case."

In Fort Worth, Texas, Williams' family huddled around a home computer following his visitation service to watch the police news conference on the Internet.

Police won't say whether they know the motive for the slaying but have said there was an altercation at the club.

Clark's arrest came a day after police officers found a 1998 Chevrolet Tahoe they believe could have been used in the drive-by shooting.

A person close to the investigation told The Associated Press the SUV is registered to Brian K. Hicks of Denver, who is jailed on unrelated drug and attempted murder charges. The person declined to be identified, because state law prohibits officials from identifying whom a vehicle is registered to.

Police would not comment on whether Hicks, 28, had agreed to be interviewed or whether gang involvement was suspected in Williams' death.

Hicks has been jailed since Nov. 9 on a charge of possessing drugs with intent to distribute. He also is accused of shooting at a woman who was later killed a week before she was to testify against him.


http://cbs4denver.com/topstories/local_story_005220446.html

Jan 5, 2007 10:03 pm US/Mountain

[bdv]

I am disgusted by this tragedy. The more I learn about Darrent, the more angry, and at times sad, I become. He had a good soul, metaphorically speaking. He was a good man. But this tragic shooting of a strong man should not cause anyone to become weak. Faith in what is clearly an anthropomorphic fairytale is not a healthy way of dealing with such a tragedy. Deity-faith is a crutch. Reality-based grieving, the honoring of Darrent's memory, and time are what is needed. Darrent is not still living in a supernatural realm somewhere. God did not "take" Darrent. Darrent is not in a better place. He is gone. There is no God.

RIP D

[Blueflame]

When a senseless shooting rocked our little community a few years back, we honored the memory of those lost with a candlelight vigil... along that line of thinking, here's my candle for Darrent.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v37/Blueflame91315/candle27.gif

[broncobum6162]

To the family and loved ones of Darrent Williams,
The hardest thing to do is to lay to rest the body of a loved one. Even harder the body of one of your childeren, something anyone should never have to do. The senseless killing of Darrent was followed by the senseless auto accident that killed my stepdaughter. May your family find the strength in Gods love to deal with this horrible situation. I share the same sense of loss that your family is feeling at this moment. May Darrent rest in peace and the love of God be with you at this time of grief.

[WhoIsJohnGalt]

Faith in what is clearly an anthropomorphic fairytale is not a healthy way of dealing with such a tragedy. Deity-faith is a crutch. Reality-based grieving, the honoring of Darrent's memory, and time are what is needed. Darrent is not still living in a supernatural realm somewhere. God did not "take" Darrent. Darrent is not in a better place. He is gone. There is no God.

welcome to my ignore list, a-hole.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I am disgusted by this tragedy. The more I learn about Darrent, the more angry, and at times sad, I become. He had a good soul, metaphorically speaking. He was a good man. But this tragic shooting of a strong man should not cause anyone to become weak. Faith in what is clearly an anthropomorphic fairytale is not a healthy way of dealing with such a tragedy. Deity-faith is a crutch. Reality-based grieving, the honoring of Darrent's memory, and time are what is needed. Darrent is not still living in a supernatural realm somewhere. God did not "take" Darrent. Darrent is not in a better place. He is gone. There is no God.

RIP D
You're personal views on that have no business in this forum.

[cutthemdown]

You're personal views on that have no business in this forum.

ever heard of an idea called THE MARKETPLACE OF IDEAS? It means that in a free society all ideas have there place and will be disseminated by the public and either accepted or rejected. If he wants to say there is no God I don't see why that should bother anyone. You simple say to him I don't agree with what you are saying. But to say it shouldn't be posted simply because you disagree with it seems un-democratic. On the flip side I would say that not believing in God would be a bummer IMO.

[cutthemdown]

I am disgusted by this tragedy. The more I learn about Darrent, the more angry, and at times sad, I become. He had a good soul, metaphorically speaking. He was a good man. But this tragic shooting of a strong man should not cause anyone to become weak. Faith in what is clearly an anthropomorphic fairytale is not a healthy way of dealing with such a tragedy. Deity-faith is a crutch. Reality-based grieving, the honoring of Darrent's memory, and time are what is needed. Darrent is not still living in a supernatural realm somewhere. God did not "take" Darrent. Darrent is not in a better place. He is gone. There is no God.

RIP D

If being spiritual and religious makes someone feel comforted how is that inferior to you gaining comfort by using time and honoring his memory? Everyone has different methods for dealing with grief. For you to think that your way is better then a religious persons way is shortsighted and without basis. Religious people truly do gain comfort and strength from their belief in God wether you think it's reality or not.

[12thMan]

Photos from the fan memorial today @ mile high.
No Words for this one, a very solemn occasion.

http://www.kodakgallery.com/ShareLandingSignin.jsp?Uc=54zk0vs.83fuw0xw&Uy=-nqpb5i&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp%3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0&UV=974910822474_560945535108

[smalltowngrll]

Photos from the fan memorial today @ mile high.
No Words for this one, a very solemn occasion.

http://www.kodakgallery.com/ShareLandingSignin.jsp?Uc=54zk0vs.83fuw0xw&Uy=-nqpb5i&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp%3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0&UV=974910822474_560945535108

thanks for sharing the photos!!

[Sassy]

Thanks Chris!!!

[Rocket 7]

good stuff

[Crushaholic]

Photos from the fan memorial today @ mile high.
No Words for this one, a very solemn occasion.

http://www.kodakgallery.com/ShareLandingSignin.jsp?Uc=54zk0vs.83fuw0xw&Uy=-nqpb5i&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp%3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0&UV=974910822474_560945535108

nice...props to you, Disco Man and everyone else who was there...

[footstepsfrom#27]

ever heard of an idea called THE MARKETPLACE OF IDEAS? It means that in a free society all ideas have there place and will be disseminated by the public and either accepted or rejected. If he wants to say there is no God I don't see why that should bother anyone. You simple say to him I don't agree with what you are saying. But to say it shouldn't be posted simply because you disagree with it seems un-democratic. On the flip side I would say that not believing in God would be a bummer IMO.
Thanks for the 1st amendment speech. Unfortunately you miss the point. Interjecting that on a thread where people are engaged in trying to make sense out of senseless tragedy when you know it's unappreciated is bad taste my friend. It's like trying to sell life insurance at a funeral.

[Kaylore]

Photos from the fan memorial today @ mile high.
No Words for this one, a very solemn occasion.

http://www.kodakgallery.com/ShareLandingSignin.jsp?Uc=54zk0vs.83fuw0xw&Uy=-nqpb5i&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp%3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0&UV=974910822474_560945535108

I was there two day ago. I signed a poster. I wish I could have been there and signed the Orangemane one though when I signed the other poster I put "Kaylore and OrangeMane.com" on it.

[OrangeShadow]

something i just noticed about DW

# 27
NFL games: 27
Killed the first day of 2007
Born: 09.27.1982.

[bdv]

If being spiritual and religious makes someone feel comforted how is that inferior to you gaining comfort by using time and honoring his memory? Everyone has different methods for dealing with grief. For you to think that your way is better then a religious persons way is shortsighted and without basis. Religious people truly do gain comfort and strength from their belief in God wether you think it's reality or not.

I think most would agree, including you and I, that this is not the thread to debate whether there is a god, so I'll try to avoid the philosophy that brings me to the conclusion that there is a lack of evidence for any of the hundreds of thousands of deities which have been believed in throughout history. (Though if you want we could start a thread over at the Maniac Community Discussion (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/forumdisplay.php?f=43) forum.)

So, from my perspective:
First, I would not want to be lied to in an effort to make me feel better. If my son had died I wouldn't want a friend of mine to keep this fact from me. My friend may think I would be better off believing that he is having the time of his life with a beautiful rich woman he hooked up with France. To this end, my friend writes me letters that appear to be from my son. I'm happy for him, but as time goes by, I'm still confused and dissatisfied with the answers I'm getting...

In a similar way, Darrent's family has been made to believe that he is still alive, still thinking, observing what is happening, and happier than when he was on earth playing football for the Broncos with that great attitude and smile of his. Can anyone reading this imagine D-Will in heaven saying, "oh yeah, this is better than the life I had on earth, with my money, starting cb position, music, friends, family, and my kids"!? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! It will likely encumber his mom's sense of closure, as she tries to figure out why a "good god" would do something so horrible.

She needs to grieve, but why should she feel SO sad if her son is in a far better place, and her son is able to observe her, and she will see her son in a relatively short while, and then be with him in heaven for eternity. Why does THAT make her so sad? Perhaps she doesn't believe it deep down. Once again, more conflicting & confusing thoughts which prolong her suffering. I'm no psychiatrist so my opinions on grieving should be taken with a large grain of salt. But someone should broach the subject because a shrink won't touch it with a 10 foot pole...


Second, and I think this is the most import point, I don't believe that as humans, we should ever look to believe what is easy over what is true. We should always want to know reality, no matter how empty, cold, dark, meaningless or sad it may be. Otherwise, what kind of scientists and philosophers are we? We can see throughout history that, against the template unbiased truth, our decisions would've been or have been much better. Thus truth, and getting as close to reality as possible, should be our highest goal.

-Tim

[Blueflame]

Please take the theological discussion to another thread. It's inappropriate on this one.

[footstepsfrom#27]

In a similar way, Darrent's family has been made to believe that he is still alive, still thinking, observing what is happening, and happier than when he was on earth playing football for the Broncos with that great attitude and smile of his. Can anyone reading this imagine D-Will in heaven saying, "oh yeah, this is better than the life I had on earth, with my money, starting cb position, music, friends, family, and my kids"!? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! It will likely encumber his mom's sense of closure, as she tries to figure out why a "good god" would do something so horrible.

She needs to grieve, but why should she feel SO sad if her son is in a far better place, and her son is able to observe her, and she will see her son in a relatively short while, and then be with him in heaven for eternity. Why does THAT make her so sad? Perhaps she doesn't believe it deep down. Once again, more conflicting & confusing thoughts which prolong her suffering. I'm no psychiatrist so my opinions on grieving should be taken with a large grain of salt. But someone should broach the subject because a shrink won't touch it with a 10 foot pole...

-Tim
Since you're new in here you might not know there's a properly designated place to act like an *** and it's called the War, Religion and Politics forum. There are plenty of people over there who love to do just that and will be glad to debate you on this crap...(me included). In the meantime...I could be wrong, but I really doubt D-Will's family really cares 2 ***** about what you think about their views on the hereafter.

Sheesh...:notthissh

[cutthemdown]

Thanks for the 1st amendment speech. Unfortunately you miss the point. Interjecting that on a thread where people are engaged in trying to make sense out of senseless tragedy when you know it's unappreciated is bad taste my friend. It's like trying to sell life insurance at a funeral.

so you are comparing a message board to a funeral. I disagree it's not nearly the same thing. The same level of respect is not given to a chat room or message board.

[cutthemdown]

Thank you! Christ, some of you people are digging for reasons to pick on D-Will. Listen, he was young, black, from a much different neighborhood than you and he had money.

As stated, there are no pictures with shotguns, handguns, drugs or anything else. They look very much like any other group of young guys having a good time on the town. Would it be any different if there was a bunch of muscled up white frat guys in button up shirts hanging on to sorority girls who are all wasted?

Stop digging for things just because you don't understand their culture. Its sad and D-Will deserves better.
I don't understand their culture really though. I mean the leading cause of death for black men 18-25 is murder. People jump to the conclusion some of those with Darrent in this group might be shady is because they are posing sort of like thugs, flashing money etc. Darrent sort of doing same thing showing off the bling. I agree you can't use only that to judge someone. But once bullets fly and a guy is dead. Then allegations that some in his group flashed gang signs and you start to add things up and come to the conclusion that some people in Darrents group may have been thugs from a different gang. Im speculating and only commenting on how things get percieved by white people. Don't run and call it racist when it's obvious there is a connection between black culture and being a thug.

[bdv]

Thanks for the 1st amendment speech. Unfortunately you miss the point. Interjecting that on a thread where people are engaged in trying to make sense out of senseless tragedy when you know it's unappreciated is bad taste my friend. It's like trying to sell life insurance at a funeral.

"Interjecting that..." Interjecting what? A religious/philosophical belief on what happens after one dies? If that's what I shouldn't have wrote about in this thread, than there are lot of posts that came before mine you may want to criticize as well.

It's like trying to sell life insurance at a funeral.

I actually liked this analogy a lot. I did feel uneasy, and even hesitated before pressing "Submit Reply" for post #578. It was really not my intention to be tasteless. But I was trying to be thought provoking. Atheists are not heard from very often, though we, too, grieve. Atheists tend to go with the flow, not wanting to offend. When someone dies, the non-theistic perspective becomes even more taboo. However, it's a perspective I feel should be heard, if nothing else.

Now take a guess, when a similar tragedy happened to me, what do you think that countless of my religious friends and acquaintances (who knew quite well my world view) said to me?... But it was okay. Their intentions were good, and it was what they believed to be the truth.

D-Will's memory deserves to be honored. And on the off-chance that any of his friends or family reads this: I sincerely wish peace for you, which may seem impossible now, but it will come.

-Tim

[Sassy]

Nice move...whoever moved this to the ROF ;D

[Dagmar]

Nice move...whoever moved this to the ROF ;D

Cripes, I was wondering where it had gone!

[RAIDERSSUCK]

Great Photos Chris. It was about showing #27 our respect. RIP my Brother.

[Meck77]

To all of you from all of us at the Broncosfreak I would like to extend our sincere coldolences. Meck if you have anything planned whether it be a donation or online memorial please email me at the freak and I'll round up the troops to pitch in some cash.

RIP Darrent

Bump....

Canuck are the troops still there? There is an organization that needs our help. If you have been waiting for another alternative to honor D-wills life other than donations to the children's fun etc I'd like to bring attention to another worthy organization. If you have done your part that's awesome but the fight against sensless gang violence continues....


The Reverend Kelly aka "Rev" is leading the fight against gang violence in Denver. He's been on TV alot lately. In one of my posts last week I said I was going to contact him to see what we can do tell help his cause. From all the TV I've watched about the D-will murder I don't think there is a single person in Denver who has a better grasp of what is going on them him.

His non-profit anti-gang organization (OPEN DOOR) has helped alot of youths stay out of trouble. I called him specifically last week to see what I could do. A few others pmed me also to see what was needed. Anyhow there are many ways we can help. There is alot of information on his website. See my sig line. Reverend Kelly has my contact info and said he will be intouch. He's obviously busy with all the recent events and trying to get the word out how bad the problem really is.

The sad thing is this is nothing new. He's been at this since 1987. The gang problem is wide spread. Infact I just saw him again on TV tonight on a show called "Colorado Inside and out". The "Rev" as people call him has been to more funerals related to gang violence than anyone else in Denver. He knows what is going on. He made it a point that the local politicians haven't acknoweldged the situation. Infact he said "Not one local official attended D-wills funeral yet they were all lining up to get on the podium when we won the superbowls". I've heard various estimates on the number of gang members but it is somewhere between 15,000-30,000!

There is a full breakdown of all the gangs in Denver on his site from what they wear, to the areas they control. You can read more about him on his site and get more info on gangs than any other place I've been able to find. http://www.therev.org/Frames1.asp

Anyhow I told the "Rev" I'm ready to help him with the fight. He said good. I told him that many Broncos fans out there are also sick of the gang violence. He said "It takes something like this to bring attention to what I've been fighting for over 20 years...We'll see if people are still ready to help 3 weeks from now". I agreed that when emotions run high people want to get involved but how quickly we all forget.

Long story short the "Rev" said he will be in contact with me on the immediate "Wish list" of how I or others can help. I'll be happy to share this info if there are others who want to contribute in honor of Darrent's life and to those who want to make a difference.

When I first mentioned "let's get together for a Tailgate" on the orangemane back in 2002 I think I had a total of ZERO responses. lol Thru a little persistence we managed to get a few of you guys together over the years. I'm hoping just ONE person might be interested in joining me on this one.

The "Rev" is the real deal.......

[Meck77]

Not sure how to resize pics? Can someone shrink the pic down of "Rev" so it will fit in my sig?

Thanks in advance.

[Blueflame]

Here's your pic, Meck.

[Sassy]

No updates? :(

[Orange_Beard]

Well it's been a year. Still seems like yesterday. Still hurts to think about.
I will not forget #27.

[theAPAOps5]

Man it still feels so new. I remember watching the funeral with the open casket and the Preacher kept saying Good Night Dwill. I never met him except for passing moments at Training Camp when he talked with my nephew but watching the Broncos I felt like we new him as a friend.

Tragically people die like this everyday. Its something that needs to change in our culture and society.

[Crushaholic]

Well it's been a year. Still seems like yesterday. Still hurts to think about.
I will not forget #27.

...and nobody has been punished for his death. It's sad...

[Ramblin' Bronco]

I was thinking about DWill last night, every new years he will be on my mind.

[bpc]

D-Day for DWill... still in our thoughts, still in our prayers.

RIP buddy. Hope you are inspiring people whereever you are like you did on the football field. We miss ya. I'm sure you watched the season. We definitely could have used your heart out there. More than that society could use more guys like you.

[Jana®]

Such a tragedy. I too thought about him yesterday on New Years. He will always be remembered and I hope they catch the persons who did this and put em away for life.

[Sassy]

Still in our thoughts...still in our prayers...always in our hearts.

[Meck77]

So where are the damn killers?

[Sassy]

So where are the damn killers?

EXACTLY!!!