End of the year Coyer poll.... [Archive] - The Orange Mane

SoCalBronco

01-01-2007, 02:07 AM

Keep him.

He has done a fine job without a whole lot up front. We finished in the top 5-6 again in scoring defense. Almost every year he has been in charge, one of the three units on the defense has been scrubs, in 2003 it was the back four, the last few years its been the DL. Coyer is a very hard worker and did well this year. He has hidden our safeties lack of range the last few years very well, as well.

Ofcourse I do not like how he petitioned hard to get Ian back, but other than that, I think he has done a very good job throughout his tenure here, especially without Brown and with a hurt Warren this year.

Get him some horses up front.

BroncoMatt

01-01-2007, 02:14 AM

that scoring defense stat I think has more to do with Champ than Coyer

Ratboy

01-01-2007, 03:26 AM

Dump him.

He's kinda like Jake Plummer. He gets through a season and doesn't do too bad, In the post season he crumbles, I think we can find better out there.

Crushaholic

01-01-2007, 03:28 AM

We never put pressure on the QB and that sickens me. Let's get someone in there who can call blitz more than a couple times a game...

wabbit

01-01-2007, 03:29 AM

Keep him.

The D-line was a junk yard of trash, no-bodys & cast-offs.

Get a real pass rusher & all...well, a lot...will be better.

Dukes

01-01-2007, 03:31 AM

Get him some horses up front.

We had Pryce last year. Now he's got 12+ sacks. Not only is it the players, it's the scheme. Time for a change.

Killericon

01-01-2007, 04:38 AM

He has an All-Pro Corner and Middle Linebacker, two fantasic outside linebackers, a Pro Bowl safety, a good #2 corner(I'm still on the Darrent Bandwagon)...and a bad to decent line(Dumervil and Lang were good this year, I don't care what you say).

With that kind of talent, there's no excuses. Ship him out. I hope we can get a genius to replace him with, though...Maybe Jack Del Rio will lose his job...LOL

Kaylore

01-01-2007, 04:53 AM

A lot of the things that people want to blame Coyer for are really problems from the front office. For all we know Coyer is just as frustrated with some of the personnel decisions as we are. Remember he doesn't call the shots there.

I do think one critical area he needs to improve is getting better tackling our of our linebackers. They regularly have bounced off of defenders this year. If we just can't get the ones we have to improve we should go get new ones that can.

TheReverend

01-01-2007, 04:58 AM

TheReverend

01-01-2007, 05:00 AM

Keep him.

The D-line was a junk yard of trash, no-bodys & cast-offs.

Get a real pass rusher & all...well, a lot...will be better.

If the D-line has been junk yard trash through his tenure as Broncos DC, explain why every Dlineman complains about his scheme when they leave and go on to have more productive seasons with other ball clubs?

Here's a hint: THEY'RE NOT JUNK YARD TRASH. COYER IS!

Kaylore

01-01-2007, 05:02 AM

If the D-line has been junk yard trash through his tenure as Broncos DC, explain why every Dlineman complains about his scheme when they leave and go on to have more productive seasons with other ball clubs?

Here's a hint: THEY'RE NOT JUNK YARD TRASH. COYER IS!

If by everyone you mean just Trevor Pryce, then I see your point. I would like to point out that a lot of the guys we used to have starting for us are not even in the league anymore.

Popps

01-01-2007, 05:05 AM

A lot of the things that people want to blame Coyer for are really problems from the front office.

Yea, I've heard that one.... and I'm not so sure.

Let's think about this. We hire Andre Patterson... a freaking POSITION coach, and that guy has invited every one of his buddies in for a job. We've got everyone but the ****ing waterboy from Cleveland playing on this team, now.

So, how does that happen if our coaches are just figure-heads with no control over personnel moves? Clearly this Patterson guy has some clout.

So, you're telling me that HIS BOSS has less say in personnel matters than he does? C'mon, man... our ENTIRE ****ing defensive line came from Cleveland. A lowly position coach managed to get the guys he wanted.

Larry is supposed to be heading up that unit. He's ABOVE Patterson. Yet, he's got no say in personnel? Do they duct-tape his arms behind his back and throw him in a closet in the off-season?

Something doesn't add up, there.

Odysseus

01-01-2007, 05:06 AM

Keep him.

The D-line was a junk yard of trash, no-bodys & cast-offs.

Get a real pass rusher & all...well, a lot...will be better.

Half the posters here say things like "let's get Jason Taylor" like he's standing out the Broncos facility pleading us for a job and the other half want to start a 3-4 defense no matter what personnel we have. I only know of a dozen posters who could figure out how to fix our defensive woes without going over salary cap and 11 of those would email Hercules Rockefellar to check their math.

Coyer is doing miracles with soap bubbles. I don't like our sponge defense anymore than anyone else here but there isn't a stock pile of defensive coaches who can work without three of their starting safeties and a defensive scheme that requires pressure from the front four and not having a real front four. Raiders figured out how to get a front four. If Crazy Al can do it I'm pretty sure Coyer can.

Coyer's guidance is get it done with X dollars. Why? They didn't have any money. You don't draft a top flight QB without getting him some help. Plummer knew the leaky offensive line was a huge part of the problem and now pretty much everybody gets it now.

I really hope we don't start the offense versus defense debate again. I think it's pretty obvious that if you cannot pressure the QB your offense is going to get teed off on.

FYI: NOBODY is mentioning that our Special Teams let teams run half the field before stopping them.

TheReverend

01-01-2007, 05:11 AM

If by everyone you mean just Trevor Pryce, then I see your point. I would like to point out that a lot of the guys we used to have starting for us are not even in the league anymore.

Or you could add in Reggie and Bertrand. No one's claiming Fatafehi and Pope were special. Reggie's numbers dipped in Jacksonville but if you remember how he padded his Broncos numbers against Tennessee his last season and watch him when healthy with the Jags and it's beautiful.

Watch those Pryce, Reggie and Berry in Denver uni's under Coyer... doing read fronts, covering the flat and rushing the passer in probably 1/3 of the obvious passing downs. Watch them with their new teams... letting them pin their ears back, using GOOD stunts and getting solid pressure.

Odysseus

01-01-2007, 05:13 AM

Pryce is grinning ear to ear and high fiving Mike Anderson. Mike, of course, was just being courteous to Tre dawg.

Popps

01-01-2007, 05:13 AM

Tiger,

No one, and I mean NO ONE has championed the D-line around here as much as me. But, after four seasons and off-seasons... does Larry not garner a few questions at this point?

Again, if it's all personnel.... doesn't he have a little to do with that? Greg Robinson certainly did. Shanahan all but gave Robinson the checkbook when he hired him in 1995. Even Elway was credited as influencing Shanahan with regards to the Neil Smith signing.

How is it that or DC of four years is absolutely absent from the personnel decision making process?

Then you've got questions like.... how does Trevor Pryce go from **** to sugar-cookies the minute he gets out of our system? That guy hasn't shown up on the radar in years, and now he's having a Pro Bowl season?

I agree with you, man... we need a pass-rusher. Again, no one has said that more or longer than myself. But, at a certain point... I start asking questions about the guy who heads up the unit.

TheReverend

01-01-2007, 05:15 AM

Half the posters here say things like "let's get Jason Taylor" like he's standing out the Broncos facility pleading us for a job and the other half want to start a 3-4 defense no matter what personnel we have. I only know of a dozen posters who could figure out how to fix our defensive woes without going over salary cap and 11 of those would email Hercules Rockefellar to check their math.

Coyer is doing miracles with soap bubbles. I don't like our sponge defense anymore than anyone else here but there isn't a stock pile of defensive coaches who can work without three of their starting safeties and a defensive scheme that requires pressure from the front four and not having a real front four. Raiders figured out how to get a front four. If Crazy Al can do it I'm pretty sure Coyer can.

Coyer's guidance is get it done with X dollars. Why? They didn't have any money. You don't draft a top flight QB without getting him some help. Plummer knew the leaky offensive line was a huge part of the problem and now pretty much everybody gets it now.

I really hope we don't start the offense versus defense debate again. I think it's pretty obvious that if you cannot pressure the QB your offense is going to get teed off on.

FYI: NOBODY is mentioning that our Special Teams let teams run half the field before stopping them.

Interesting you'd bring up the raiders and x amount of dollars Coyer has available. How much money do you think Oakland spends on their D?

How much can they when they have:

Big contract to Randy Moss
Big contract to Jerry Porter
Big contract to Robert Gallery
Sizeable contract to Aaron Brooks
Sizeable contract to Walter

TheReverend

01-01-2007, 05:18 AM

There's only one reason Coyer still has a job in Denver (and I hope beyond all hopes that changes Monday!), and his name is Champ Bailey. Without Bailey Coyer would've been exposed as retarded years ago... like he did back in the Herndon/Walls days.

Popps

01-01-2007, 05:21 AM

I've said all along... it's just criminal to have Champ back there rotting away because we can't field a decent front 7.

What a travesty it'll be if we don't get that guy a ring.

TheReverend

01-01-2007, 05:27 AM

I've said all along... it's just criminal to have Champ back there rotting away because we can't field a decent front 7.

What a travesty it'll be if we don't get that guy a ring.

He'll be a first ballot whether he gets one or not.

Odysseus

01-01-2007, 05:28 AM

Interesting you'd bring up the raiders and x amount of dollars Coyer has available. How much money do you think Oakland spends on their D?

How much can they when they have:

Big contract to Randy Moss
Big contract to Jerry Porter
Big contract to Robert Gallery
Sizeable contract to Aaron Brooks
Sizeable contract to Walter

2-14 versus whatever the heck we got...does not constitute firing anyone.

Popps

01-01-2007, 05:29 AM

He'll be a first ballot whether he gets one or not.

No doubt... but, ask Marino if he'd trade his Hall status for just ONE ring.

Every day and twice on Sunday.

TheReverend

01-01-2007, 05:30 AM

2-14 versus whatever the heck we got...does not constitute firing anyone.

2-14 versus whatever the heck we got... does nothing when I'm comparing defensive schemes.

TheReverend

01-01-2007, 05:31 AM

No doubt... but, ask Marino if he'd trade his Hall status for just ONE ring.

Every day and twice on Sunday.

I dunno... a SB ring vs taking a girl to see a bust of you in Canton... I'll bet Canton gets more poon.

Popps

01-01-2007, 05:33 AM

I dunno... a SB ring vs taking a girl to see a bust of you in Canton... I'll bet Canton gets more poon.

ROFL!

Odysseus

01-01-2007, 06:53 AM

2-14 versus whatever the heck we got... does nothing when I'm comparing defensive schemes.

O.K. This is the part where you breakdown our defensive schemes by comparing it to perhaps an AFCW team that is going in the playoffs. Pick one.

OrangeShadow

01-01-2007, 07:01 AM

how can you blame a guy when he has a well below average defensive line to work with.

DBroncos4life

01-01-2007, 07:04 AM

Ray Rhodes got how long??????????

DBroncos4life

01-01-2007, 07:08 AM

He has a guy that can shut down one side of the field. Hes got the fastest LBs in the game, another guy in Lynch that came out of his mom telling the Dr. how to give birth too him and this is what we get. Its not working.

epa86b@netzero

01-01-2007, 07:21 AM

Coyer is doing miracles with soap bubbles. I don't like our sponge defense anymore than anyone else here but there isn't a stock pile of defensive coaches who can work without three of their starting safeties and a defensive scheme that requires pressure from the front four and not having a real front four. Raiders figured out how to get a front four. If Crazy Al can do it I'm pretty sure Coyer can.

Coyer's guidance is get it done with X dollars. Why? They didn't have any money. You don't draft a top flight QB without getting him some help. Plummer knew the leaky offensive line was a huge part of the problem and now pretty much everybody gets it now.

For one thing, Coyer is not working miracles. If your scheme calls for pressure from the front four only and it does not work, what would you do?

Effectively, we had a third and the season and Coyer trusted his fantastic four to generate pressure on the QB. It did not work. THe passiveness of some critical defensive playcalls is my problem with Coyer especially with known dline problems.

I would like to see and analysis of the money spent on the offense and the defense. I think, the front office has spent more money on the defensive than the offensive this year.

eddie mac

01-01-2007, 08:28 AM

Keep him.

The D-line was a junk yard of trash, no-bodys & cast-offs.

Get a real pass rusher & all...well, a lot...will be better.

We've all been praying for the front office to do that for years Wabbit so do you think this offseason will be any different???

Odysseus

01-01-2007, 10:06 AM

For one thing, Coyer is not working miracles. If your scheme calls for pressure from the front four only and it does not work, what would you do?

Effectively, we had a third and the season and Coyer trusted his fantastic four to generate pressure on the QB. It did not work. THe passiveness of some critical defensive playcalls is my problem with Coyer especially with known dline problems.

I would like to see and analysis of the money spent on the offense and the defense. I think, the front office has spent more money on the defensive than the offensive this year.

Coyer had two bad choices. Get burned or get really burned. He chose get burned. When you are pants down and game planned it's the price of doing business.

NO analysis on the money spent can explain Daniel Snyder. It's not the money spent it's what you are buying. Coyer did'nt get the big dollar he had the year before. He didn't get the multiple draft picks. He played a pat hand and counted on Slowik, Patterson, and Heimerdinger to provide but support on the ground for the players and a better offense.

Our offense exposed our defense. Right now we have an offense that is only worth 20 points (- Interceptions/turnovers 3-10 points maybe a 10 point offense) Our defense loses us 20 points (3-7 with Champ Bailey picks putting our defense around 13 points. This is why every game is a struggle and when 76 didn't recover the ball that those 3 points came back to bite us.

(This is a real stick in the dirt type of analogy. I'll let some smart guy take credit and create all the charts and aerial picks)

Coyer's not in charge of Special teams. His defense was handed a short field the whole year. Coyer didn't decide to pick Cutler over any of the other defensive picks that was on the table. Shanahan picked up Cutler and it was a good pickup.

Right now Coyer is going to have to re-evaluate this team's defense and do not worry things are defintely going to change.

epa86b@netzero

01-01-2007, 01:20 PM

Coyer had two bad choices. Get burned or get really burned. He chose get burned. When you are pants down and game planned it's the price of doing business.

NO analysis on the money spent can explain Daniel Snyder. It's not the money spent it's what you are buying. Coyer did'nt get the big dollar he had the year before. He didn't get the multiple draft picks. He played a pat hand and counted on Slowik, Patterson, and Heimerdinger to provide but support on the ground for the players and a better offense.

Our offense exposed our defense. Right now we have an offense that is only worth 20 points (- Interceptions/turnovers 3-10 points maybe a 10 point offense) Our defense loses us 20 points (3-7 with Champ Bailey picks putting our defense around 13 points. This is why every game is a struggle and when 76 didn't recover the ball that those 3 points came back to bite us.

(This is a real stick in the dirt type of analogy. I'll let some smart guy take credit and create all the charts and aerial picks)

Coyer's not in charge of Special teams. His defense was handed a short field the whole year. Coyer didn't decide to pick Cutler over any of the other defensive picks that was on the table. Shanahan picked up Cutler and it was a good pickup.

Right now Coyer is going to have to re-evaluate this team's defense and do not worry things are defintely going to change.

I agree with most of your points. However, sometimes you have to take the bull by the horns, I would have taken the the risky option -- really get burned based on past experience but that's just my taste and hingsight at this point.

I hope we get some horses on the Dline but I think, we could have done more with the talent we had on defensive. Three cheers 2007!

ScottXray

01-01-2007, 01:23 PM

If I were the owner (Bowlen) I wouldn't do anything with Coyer..

I would go talk with the MASTERMIND and ask him

" When are YOU going to start fielding a team I can be proud of? This Loss was attrocious and I think we need to re-evaluate your long term contract status. I expect better results from my investments, Mike. Maybe you should figure out why the defense can't hold a lead. If you can't figure it out , find someone who can."

Everyone wants to blame Coyer, Dennison, special teams, injuries etc. etc..

No one seems to want to look at the head coach....and it is HE that bears ultimate responsibility for the failure of the team to perform.

NOBODY should be looked at as having job security as far as Broncos coaches go. :spit:

wabbit

01-01-2007, 01:45 PM

We've all been praying for the front office to do that for years Wabbit so do you think this offseason will be any different???

The situation had to come to the result we all witnessed Sunday, but, yes, I do now believe the staff will emphasize real upgrades along the D-line this off-season.

DarkHorse30

01-01-2007, 03:16 PM

Coyer has shown that he can't adjust his defense. I have yet to see his defense show up in huge games at the end of the year.....probably because he never adjusts anything.

NFLBRONCO

01-01-2007, 03:51 PM

The situation had to come to the result we all witnessed Sunday, but, yes, I do now believe the staff will emphasize real upgrades along the D-line this off-season.

They said, this the year they brought in the Browncos they thought those were huge upgrades at the time. I hope this time they do better.

If Coyer gets axed it should be this week. I have a feeling Denver will keep him.

Northman

01-01-2007, 04:06 PM

Despite the fact we need help up front i do believe Coyer is a problem as well. He makes no halftime adjustments when the pressure gets on. He has done a fair job but like Jake i have lost confidence in Coyer. We need to get a REAL Dcordinator in here before we waste another 4 years. We got a lot of young talent and are real close to championship status. Its time to clean house on Defense a little bit.