View Full Version : Foster, Tater, and ShanAHAN Lost This Game....
telluride
12-31-2006, 08:19 PM
...and thus the season. Amazing. Foster is a sieve. Tater should never have seen the field for the past three weeks. And Shanny is an idiot for not running M. Bell over and over. He's also an idiot for not finding a Foster option -- any option -- these past few weeks. If Shanny replaces either Foster or Tater last week, or this week, we win.
I don't want to hear any "Mastermind' bs for a long time. A mastermind makes those changes. A mastermind makes his defensive coach actually call a decent game. A mastermind wins games like this.
Los Broncos
12-31-2006, 08:28 PM
Yep. this is a bad day, we cant beat sf? makes me sick
orangenblue
12-31-2006, 08:29 PM
STFU!!! What's he going to do, never give M. Bell a rest? Coyer deserves more of the blame than Shanny anyway. He simply refuses to blitz EVER!!! and I mean EVER! He calls plays with his ego and not common sense. He's hell bent on only rushing the passer with four lineman.
long beach bronco
12-31-2006, 08:33 PM
Coyer blitzed like crazy last year. Shanny was the one who put the breaks on it. It's his team, he chose not to blitz and instead played in a "preseason defense" all year. I don't want to hear any mastermind crap either, you put teams like the 9ers away, case closed. Very frustrating
dsmoot
12-31-2006, 08:38 PM
...and thus the season. Amazing. Foster is a sieve. Tater should never have seen the field for the past three weeks. And Shanny is an idiot for not running M. Bell over and over. He's also an idiot for not finding a Foster option -- any option -- these past few weeks. If Shanny replaces either Foster or Tater last week, or this week, we win.
I don't want to hear any "Mastermind' bs for a long time. A mastermind makes those changes. A mastermind makes his defensive coach actually call a decent game. A mastermind wins games like this.
It is posts like this that perpetuate the "Mastermind" comments.
This team was not good enough. The DL has been gassed for the last six weeks. It has been evident with the inability to stop the run much less sustain a pass rush.
The OL underperformed and not just in this game but for most of the year. Fortunately, we are seeing an influx of talent at offense, just not on the OL. Please don't talk about the OL that haven't played.
We can blame Coyer, we can blame Shanahan but we don't have the right mix of players on defense. Our linebacker don't make plays and they really don't cover well. The coaches are limited in what they can do. Other than Dumervil, we have an aging or undersized DL. Our safetys need obvious help. Other than Champ, are our corners better than average, really?
We went 2 - 5, down the stretch, WHY? The defense did not sustain their early play. WHY? It is not just the coaching. They were unable to man up against their opponents physically. There is no scheme that Coyer could have put them in that could have covered that up. Wake up everyone. Outside of Champ and Dumervil (only because of his youth), every single defensive person on the roster needs to be looked at.
long beach bronco
12-31-2006, 08:53 PM
Coyer and Shanny should've did what they did last season, and that was to bring the house and use the speed of the linebackers, putting 8 in the box and stopping the run and blitzing the Qb, we did it last season, and we went vanilla this season. Bad coaching is to blame.
broncsyanks
12-31-2006, 08:54 PM
foster and tater cost us this game. ernster didnt help either with the punting either. shame next season we will be better
footstepsfrom#27
12-31-2006, 09:13 PM
Foster has no business earning a living playing football, T. Bell shold be a 10 carry back and and both coordinators need to go. Except for last year, we've seen this same crap for about 8 years in a row now.
Don't hold your breath.
DBroncos4life
12-31-2006, 09:14 PM
So no one is going to blame the QB that tossed a perfect pass to the wide open DB? Looking at the score that pick six kind of hurt us in the end. There is lots of people to blame in this game and Cutler, rookie or not should get the blame as well. Even more so if you are going to blame that fumble on Bell when its clear that his facemask was being pulled on. The team lost just like it did 7 times before.
BigPlayShay
12-31-2006, 09:18 PM
Dark day, bright future. That is my new mantra.
Address the D-Line, Running Back, get Lepsis healthy and replace Foster with Pears.
Kaylore
12-31-2006, 09:25 PM
...and thus the season. Amazing. Foster is a sieve. Tater should never have seen the field for the past three weeks. And Shanny is an idiot for not running M. Bell over and over. He's also an idiot for not finding a Foster option -- any option -- these past few weeks. If Shanny replaces either Foster or Tater last week, or this week, we win.
I don't want to hear any "Mastermind' bs for a long time. A mastermind makes those changes. A mastermind makes his defensive coach actually call a decent game. A mastermind wins games like this.
For this first time in forever I totally agree with Telluride. Foster and Tatum have done more than enough to get benched these last few weeks and Shanahan left them both out there so they could screw up some more. We should be grateful Cutler didn't take a more serious injury that could hurt his development this offseason.
Mike Bell should have been in the whole game. Foster should never have seen the field since the Raiders game.
ozomulsion
12-31-2006, 09:30 PM
Anybody who thinks that that Tatum really fumbled that ball is clueless to say the least. Mike Bell should've carried the ball more but do you think Shanny would've put Tatum back in the game in OT if he really believed it was a fumble? Clueless if you do.
Willynowei
12-31-2006, 09:31 PM
Cost us the game? WTF?
Hey we lost to the ****ING fourty niners, no one person costs anybody no damn game. Everybody gets the blame shanny included.
They all sucked
OrangeShadow
12-31-2006, 09:36 PM
this was a TEAM loss. and we just didnt have the personell to get it done this year
sgbfan
12-31-2006, 09:40 PM
So no one is going to blame the QB that tossed a perfect pass to the wide open DB? Looking at the score that pick six kind of hurt us in the end. There is lots of people to blame in this game and Cutler, rookie or not should get the blame as well. Even more so if you are going to blame that fumble on Bell when its clear that his facemask was being pulled on. The team lost just like it did 7 times before.
Heck no! He made one bad play, and was maybe one of the biggest reasons we were in the game. 1st, he is a rookie, and one mistake a game isn't too bad, especially when he has a hunk of lard on his right side that cant stop anything! He might be used to it, but he has to realize that Foster stinks. How does denver lose 3 games to the absolute worst conference in the NFL.
Hercules Rockefeller
12-31-2006, 09:43 PM
I must have missed what made Mike Bell so special today. 1 rush for 46 yards and then another 20 yards on 10 carries.
ScottXray
12-31-2006, 09:47 PM
For this first time in forever I totally agree with Telluride. Foster and Tatum have done more than enough to get benched these last few weeks and Shanahan left them both out there so they could screw up some more. We should be grateful Cutler didn't take a more serious injury that could hurt his development this offseason.
Mike Bell should have been in the whole game. Foster should never have seen the field since the Raiders game.
I also say Teluride is right. I was having faith problems in Shanahan BEFORE the game and he did nothing to make me think I was wrong.
He screwed the pooch putting Tatum FUMBell back in the game when Mike was getting it done . So T promptly took a screen pass and managed a whopping TWO yards, by failling to make the first man miss. Oh and who's man got through there? Foster. Then Pears goes illegal motion to put us in 2nd and 13, and Marshall drops the catch that would have gotten the first down. And we don't get the third down conversion. {for 8 out of eleven times or about that much)
Whoever is calling the plays has not had ANY sense of flow or continuity. When we are running well they call two or three passes in a row. Passing well...lets fool em and run ...(they'd never expect that).
Too many deep drops when the SF rush was going right by Pears AND Foster.
Reverses that don't fool anyone and gain little or no yardage. Plays and personnel not getting in to the field in time and three time-outs wasted because of the confusion.
On defense our lack of blitzes and pass rush , and the fact that OUR linebackers get NO picks or real passes defensed doomed us to another game that the OTHER team gets the 4th quarter (or Overtime) drives they need to finish us off.
Our COACHES lost this game. They were outdone by their competition...from the head coach on down. We have no killer instinct because our coaches tyr to win with finesse instead of solid fundamentals.
I hope some heads roll....
Hopefully Pat Bowlen is starting to see the truth. He has given Shanny everything he ever asked for. I would tell him he has two years to get back to the bowl. The Broncos are a business and the CEO is supposed to kick the competitions ass.
Mastermind....pffffffttttt!
DBroncos4life
12-31-2006, 09:47 PM
Heck no! He made one bad play, and was maybe one of the biggest reasons we were in the game. 1st, he is a rookie, and one mistake a game isn't too bad, especially when he has a hunk of lard on his right side that cant stop anything! He might be used to it, but he has to realize that Foster stinks. How does denver lose 3 games to the absolute worst conference in the NFL.
So using all three time outs on the same drive doesn't bother you at all? I mean it was still early in the third ****ing quarter. If he comes out and says he thought he was at the prom Im going to kick someone in the nuts.
sgbfan
12-31-2006, 09:55 PM
So using all three time outs on the same drive doesn't bother you at all? I mean it was still early in the third ****ing quarter. If he comes out and says he thought he was at the prom Im going to kick someone in the nuts.
You can't say that they were all his fault, maybe they were. I was definately pissed, plus he had a fumbled snap, so there were a few bad plays. But aside from Champ, who did better than Cutler? He had horrible protection all day, no blitz pick-up whatsoever. If he had more than 4 games under his belt, I might agree with you.
DBroncos4life
12-31-2006, 10:05 PM
You can't say that they were all his fault, maybe they were. I was definately pissed, plus he had a fumbled snap, so there were a few bad plays. But aside from Champ, who did better than Cutler? He had horrible protection all day, no blitz pick-up whatsoever. If he had more than 4 games under his belt, I might agree with you.
4 games or not the season was in his hands and we lost. We made the switch to give us a better shot at making the playoffs and we lost more games then we won with him. Not that any of that matters but he wasn't checking out of running plays when SF had its safteys on the line either. He shouldn't have been in the game period after the hit. Before then he was the better choice at QB, but after that it should have been Plummer in there handing off to one of the Bells. I don't hate Cutler at all and yes he is way more talented then Plummer but he wasn't 100% so the game should have been placed back into our vets hands to win this game.
...and thus the season. Amazing. Foster is a sieve. Tater should never have seen the field for the past three weeks. And Shanny is an idiot for not running M. Bell over and over. He's also an idiot for not finding a Foster option -- any option -- these past few weeks. If Shanny replaces either Foster or Tater last week, or this week, we win.
I don't want to hear any "Mastermind' bs for a long time. A mastermind makes those changes. A mastermind makes his defensive coach actually call a decent game. A mastermind wins games like this.
. . . and Cutler and Marshall and Walker and the entire OL. Have I left anyone on offense out? Because this loss was a concerted team effort. No one guy could have lost it alone. It took really bad performances by almost everyone to make it happen.
How about this team is not as good as alot of you think. We are an average team with 1 star player on it. Take away the fast start we had (ie defense) and we are a sub 500 team. Alot needs to be done to make this a good team. Last season was a fluke plain and simple. I a, curious to see the pre season thread on what people thought our record would be this season. I am pretty sure I was a 9-7 guy all along and nothing has changed. The future has some hope, but we need to get better in all phases of the game.
Sure was a fun season netherless.
smalltowngrll
12-31-2006, 10:20 PM
Heck no! He made one bad play, and was maybe one of the biggest reasons we were in the game. 1st, he is a rookie, and one mistake a game isn't too bad, especially when he has a hunk of lard on his right side that cant stop anything! He might be used to it, but he has to realize that Foster stinks. How does denver lose 3 games to the absolute worst conference in the NFL.
ONE? Which game were you watching? I saw a few more than that.
Yes, rookie mistakes...but, sorry, that doesn't cut it with me right now. Maybe I'm bummed because now our season is over, but, it's just how I feel.
Chief Faithful
12-31-2006, 10:29 PM
Dark day, bright future.
Agreed, with Cutler, Marshall and Walker there is a very good nucleus. I wish the Chiefs had Cutler.
sgbfan
01-01-2007, 04:38 AM
4 games or not the season was in his hands and we lost. We made the switch to give us a better shot at making the playoffs and we lost more games then we won with him. Not that any of that matters but he wasn't checking out of running plays when SF had its safteys on the line either. He shouldn't have been in the game period after the hit. Before then he was the better choice at QB, but after that it should have been Plummer in there handing off to one of the Bells. I don't hate Cutler at all and yes he is way more talented then Plummer but he wasn't 100% so the game should have been placed back into our vets hands to win this game.
Plummer looked so much better than Cutler, didn't he!
sgbfan
01-01-2007, 04:46 AM
ONE? Which game were you watching? I saw a few more than that.
Yes, rookie mistakes...but, sorry, that doesn't cut it with me right now. Maybe I'm bummed because now our season is over, but, it's just how I feel.
He played better today than Plummer did all season, with the exception of one maybe two games.
I was just responding to why we weren't blaming Cutler for the loss. He had a few mistakes, but he was far from having as bad a game as who others were blaming. If he continues to throw interceptions for touchdowns, then I will start cursing him a little bit more, but where there is no history of this, I give him a break for a while, same as when Rod fumbled against Seattle. But with the D giving up easy late drives, Tatum fumbling, Foster, etc. . . It has happened way too much to just give them a pass.
Killericon
01-01-2007, 04:50 AM
I will never get mad at Shanahan. Ever.
I hope Foster and Tatum find a home somewhere else next season, though.
No1BroncoFan
01-01-2007, 04:23 PM
Anybody who thinks that that Tatum really fumbled that ball is clueless to say the least. Mike Bell should've carried the ball more but do you think Shanny would've put Tatum back in the game in OT if he really believed it was a fumble? Clueless if you do.
Bad call or not, the fact remains, he did drop the rock. No, it should not have been a turnover. The play was obviously blown dead, but it was a fumble. Tatum fumBell needs to go and go now!
Ben
AtlantaBronco
01-01-2007, 05:55 PM
Here is a different angle. Did you see the licks the 49ers were dishing out? Those guys were playing for jobs next year and they wanted it more. Denver looked like they were trying to win by a point and stay healthy for the playoffs. Can't punch it in from the 1? You don't want it or deserve it. The 49ers simply were more physical and deserved to win the game.
Cutler was also playing after suffering a concussion. I'll give him a pass on some mistakes.
I'm not pleased with Tatum though. I think he has lost some confidence.
Dr. Broncenstein
01-01-2007, 07:12 PM
In the end.. its just a f---ing game, isn't it...
Jetmeck
01-01-2007, 10:45 PM
For this first time in forever I totally agree with Telluride. Foster and Tatum have done more than enough to get benched these last few weeks and Shanahan left them both out there so they could screw up some more. We should be grateful Cutler didn't take a more serious injury that could hurt his development this offseason.
Mike Bell should have been in the whole game. Foster should never have seen the field since the Raiders game.
Perfectly said.
Jetmeck
01-01-2007, 10:50 PM
Here is a different angle. Did you see the licks the 49ers were dishing out? Those guys were playing for jobs next year and they wanted it more. Denver looked like they were trying to win by a point and stay healthy for the playoffs. Can't punch it in from the 1? You don't want it or deserve it. The 49ers simply were more physical and deserved to win the game.
Yep, obviously we have a lack of talent at some positions and a lack of MOTIVATION at almost ALL the positions.
I don't believe we would have done much in the playoffs
anyway but it really pisses me off to see my team at home false starting and being pushed around by an obviously lesser team. We are hands down a better team than SF but we didn't play like we wanted it.
IT seriously pisses me off our loss put the loser Chefs in too.
55CrushEm
01-01-2007, 10:56 PM
So no one is going to blame the QB that tossed a perfect pass to the wide open DB?
Here we go again....just silly. He drove us 80 yards to tie the game...something Plummer would NOT have been able to do.
Heck...since we're into blaming individuals....why don't we just blame Kenard Lang?!? If he had just fallen on that fumble at the end of the 1st half (rather than try to pick it up and run with it).....San Fran would not have gotten that FG right before halftime....and therefore, the game would not have gone into OT.....
Silly to blame Cutler.....or Lang...or any ONE individual for that matter.
halfcreek
01-02-2007, 01:51 PM
Been out of town and not read every thread, so apologies if this has been hashed over elsewhere. I was really POed that Mike Bell let up on his big run. Marshall had the block on his right side and he thought he was home free so he slowed down and let a defensive lineman catch him. If he takes it home.....
foster and tater cost us this game. ernster didnt help either with the punting either. shame next season we will be better
just think of the favor shanahan did by letting pryce, anderson, and, of all people, sauerbrun go. now they are all in the playoffs. of course, i'm sure pryce is relishing the broncos' lose as is sauerbrun.
pryce got his payday. so what ... motivation was always an issue with trevor. now that he's motivated, he's playing better. we'll see how long that lasts.
ozomulsion
01-08-2007, 05:06 AM
I must have missed what made Mike Bell so special today. 1 rush for 46 yards and then another 20 yards on 10 carries.
It's funny, nobody answered this question. Somebody said Shanny ran Tatum just to get him a 1000 yards so. Shanny was playing for a playoff birth. That staement was ludicrius. He trused Tatum enough to put him in in at the end of the game. Anyone who thinks Shanny will draft a RB in the first round hasn't learned anything. He will draft a RB but not in the first round.
watermock
01-08-2007, 08:12 AM
All I know is that if we let Cutler's skull bounce off the turf we will be looking for a new QB before long. At least we play on grass and the field is heated. He really banged his head...well...Foster might as well taken him down himself. He's could of just turned and done the deed himself...Lord knows the hit wouldn't of been close to what Jay took.
When your QB can't even set his back foot it's time for a change. I'm still pissed.