Len Pasquarelli"Champ is the DPOY"

[OrangeShadow]

I was listenting to mike and mike and they had Len P. on and they were talking about defensive MVP

heres about waht he said "Champ bailey is the best at his position by a wider margin than merriman is."
"and to have only 3 or 4 passes thrown his way a game and to have 9 interceptions and 11 passes defended, i mean you completley take away that side of the field"

that might not be word for word but close.
Its nice to see champ getting his due and i know we have other topics about DPOY but i felt this should have its seperate thread.

[Los Broncos]

I hope he wins it, but prolly not.

[BroncoInferno]

If Med could get those ridiculous stats to the voters (what, 9 INTs on 40 passes in his direction or something absurd like that?) he would win hands down.

[ol number 7]

If Med could get those ridiculous stats to the voters (what, 9 INTs on 40 passes in his direction or something absurd like that?) he would win hands down.

Any Chiefs mentioned? Probably not. In KC de fence is what you put around da yard.

[Sgt Sauce]

i wish mike & mike would become eric & stink, the show is so much better this week!!!

[brian85in]

i wish mike & mike would become eric & stink, the show is so much better this week!!!

I couldn't agree more!

[Arkansas Bronco]

i wish mike & mike would become eric & stink, the show is so much better this week!!!

Yea I actualy have been listening toit this week. Not world class but alot better then it was.

[Garcia Bronco]

finally...get the ball rolling

[OrangeShadow]

i wish mike & mike would become eric & stink, the show is so much better this week!!!

Yeah i definatley agree with that one

[Mile High Shack]

man I can't believe we had to give up Portis for this scrub
;)

[Smiling Assassin27]

considering pasquarelli generally doesn't know what he's talking about, i'll assume the opposite of what he said here.

[ludo21]

its gonna take many people to slide Champs name in there. As far as ive seen, NO ONE has even mentioned him which is sickening.

[RMT]

its gonna take many people to slide Champs name in there. As far as ive seen, NO ONE has even mentioned him which is sickening.

If Champ played in New York, he'd be leading by a wide margin by now.

[BlaK-Argentina]

I was waiting for the crowd to start the "CHAMP! CHAMP! CHAMP!" chant last week after his interception... what happened? Come on, people! We need to show him support! He IS the DPOY!

[ZONA]

Frickin sad man. Taylor is a good player and Roidboy is too but they are hardly the best at their position by a large margin. You also have to account for that half of Champs picks were near or in the endzone and saved TD's.

Honestly, I can't even believe those two guys are mentioned in the same breath as Bailey. I would put Ed Reed behind Bailey for 2nd place.

[Northman]

i wish mike & mike would become eric & stink, the show is so much better this week!!!


Stink is always great when he fills in on there. Eric isnt bad either.

[bpc]

I love hearing Taylor and Merriman bicker over the DPOY award. Taylor says that Merriman doesn't deserve it (I guess he is lobbying for himself) because he was suspended for four games for illegal substance. While I think Merriman is very good, I tend to agree with Taylor's stance. Then again Taylor's team isn't even close to making the playoffs and I think letting a defensive player win it on a team which isn't even in playoff contention and has underachieved all year is silly.

You look at example C who's play single handedly won games for their team against some of the best competition and is head and shoulders above the rest of his peers. Champ Bailey by far has had the biggest impact on his team as 5 or 6 of his INT's have prevented TD's from going up on the board. Early in the season that was detrimental to us winning several key ballgames against teams like Pittsburgh and Baltimore.

[DeusExManning]

Champ better get it, Taylor a close second. I have never seen a cornerback dominate like this. As Chris Carter said on inside the NFL, "Don't throw it Champs way, he is that good!"

[azbroncfan]

"(Bailey) should be (defensive player of the year)," Lynch said. "I played two seasons with defensive MVPs with Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks. No disrespect at all to them, because they're two of the best football players I've ever been around, but their seasons don't hold a candle to what he's done."

Sapp and Brooks were integral cogs of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers defenses of the late 1990s and early 2000s that had a sustained period of excellence few units have ever enjoyed, placing it among the best in NFL annals. But the fact that they won the award -- while fellow Bucs standouts Lynch and Ronde Barber were ignored in spite of seasons that were the equal of their teammates -- tells all you need to know about what positions get rewarded by the highest individual honor an NFL defender can receive.

The trophy might as well read "Front Seven Player of the Year" instead. Only one player outside that front wall of defenders has won the award since 1995, and that wasn't a cornerback, but a safety -- Baltimore's Ed Reed in 2004. No cornerback has earned the honor since Deion Sanders carted it away in a solitary season with the San Francisco 49ers in 1994.

"(Bailey) is a better player than Deion Sanders ever was because he's a complete player," Lynch said. " He tackles, and that's important to him.

[Play2win]

My question is how can a guy that only participated in only 75% of the season be the Player of the year. He missed a 1/4 of the games played and yet he is better than all the players that attended, on time, and were accountable for every game their team played this season.

Merriman should have to play in every game as a prerequisite for the award to prove he could actually play at a certain level for the entire season.

[goldengopher1976]

I love hearing Taylor and Merriman bicker over the DPOY award. Taylor says that Merriman doesn't deserve it (I guess he is lobbying for himself) because he was suspended for four games for illegal substance. While I think Merriman is very good, I tend to agree with Taylor's stance. Then again Taylor's team isn't even close to making the playoffs and I think letting a defensive player win it on a team which isn't even in playoff contention and has underachieved all year is silly.

You look at example C who's play single handedly won games for their team against some of the best competition and is head and shoulders above the rest of his peers. Champ Bailey by far has had the biggest impact on his team as 5 or 6 of his INT's have prevented TD's from going up on the board. Early in the season that was detrimental to us winning several key ballgames against teams like Pittsburgh and Baltimore.

did you mean "instrumental"?

[Atlas]

Champ is the best player in the NFL.

[Rock Chalk]

I love hearing Taylor and Merriman bicker over the DPOY award. Taylor says that Merriman doesn't deserve it (I guess he is lobbying for himself) because he was suspended for four games for illegal substance. While I think Merriman is very good, I tend to agree with Taylor's stance. Then again Taylor's team isn't even close to making the playoffs and I think letting a defensive player win it on a team which isn't even in playoff contention and has underachieved all year is silly.

You look at example C who's play single handedly won games for their team against some of the best competition and is head and shoulders above the rest of his peers. Champ Bailey by far has had the biggest impact on his team as 5 or 6 of his INT's have prevented TD's from going up on the board. Early in the season that was detrimental to us winning several key ballgames against teams like Pittsburgh and Baltimore.


The DPOY isnt a team award and thus should not be awarded to someone just because their team is better.

Taylor, on a crappy team, has done every bit as much as any other defensive player in football this year. He has just been flat out amazing.

That said, Champ Bailey has not only taken a side of the field away, he has taken many red zone scoring opportunities away from opponents. Pastabelly said that Champ is so much better than his peers compared to Merriman and his, and this is one of the HUGE arguments that could be made for Champ.

The problem is that Merriman has done what he did in 11 games, and, as much as its an individual award, the powers that be will be looking at SDs overall record when making their decision.

I side with Taylor and specifically his stance on drug use and ANY player up for any accolades that has been caught AND suspended by the NFL for cheating.

[OrangeShadow]

Champ is the best player in the NFL.

Agreed and IMHO hes the best by a LARGE margin over every other player.

[BroncoInferno]

OK, I love Champ, but I've got a pet peeve when people talk about CBs "taking away half the field." He takes away his one guy, but if his man is on the right side of the field, that doesn't prevent a completion to another receiver on the same side of the field, does it? That always seemed like goofy hyperbole to me. Say he takes away his man and leave it at that. No need for an essentially illogical add-on (he eliminates half the field). Rant over.

[Play2win]

Some of Champ's interceptions are when he comes off his guy to secure the pick (and return).

[ZONA]

OK, I love Champ, but I've got a pet peeve when people talk about CBs "taking away half the field." He takes away his one guy, but if his man is on the right side of the field, that doesn't prevent a completion to another receiver on the same side of the field, does it? That always seemed like goofy hyperbole to me. Say he takes away his man and leave it at that. No need for an essentially illogical add-on (he eliminates half the field). Rant over.


I get what you're saying and in many cases you're right. But sometimes he does take away half the field. I think it was the Cardinal game that shows why. He had his man covered and Matt went to a deeper player and Bailey left his man and picked off that pass. In a sense, he does take away more then his man, maybe not half the field but I would be leary throwing anywhere near him if I was a QB.

[BroncoInferno]

I get what you're saying and in many cases you're right. But sometimes he does take away half the field. I think it was the Cardinal game that shows why. He had his man covered and Matt went to a deeper player and Bailey left his man and picked off that pass. In a sense, he does take away more then his man, maybe not half the field but I would be leary throwing anywhere near him if I was a QB.

Plays like that are amazing to be sure, but even in those instances you could still techically have anywhere from 3-5 receivers on the same side of the field as Bailey.

[Garcia Bronco]

Plays like that are amazing to be sure, but even in those instances you could still techically have anywhere from 3-5 receivers on the same side of the field as Bailey.

You gotta be all technical about it?ROFL!

[ludo21]

Plays like that are amazing to be sure, but even in those instances you could still techically have anywhere from 3-5 receivers on the same side of the field as Bailey.



3-5? So they overload Baileys side with 3-5 WR's now? news to me.

FAct is most teams load up the OTHER side of the field.

Bailey is a beast and we get what your saying, but he really does take out the quarter of the field he plays every play.

[BroncoInferno]

3-5? So they overload Baileys side with 3-5 WR's now? news to me.

FAct is most teams load up the OTHER side of the field.

Bailey is a beast and we get what your saying, but he really does take out the quarter of the field he plays every play.

They go to his side of the field all the time. Underneath routes, routes to receivers after they clear him out deep, etc. He generally eliminates the effectiveness of the individual is covering, and occasionally makes a great read to make a play away from his man on another player in his general area, and that is amazing enough. But the 'eliminates half the field' stuff is unnecessary hyperbole. NOt that big of a deal, just a pet peeve of mine.

[ludo21]

They go to his side of the field all the time. Underneath routes, routes to receivers after they clear him out deep, etc. He generally eliminates the effectiveness of the individual is covering, and occasionally makes a great read to make a play away from his man on another player in his general area, and that is amazing enough. But the 'eliminates half the field' stuff is unnecessary hyperbole. NOt that big of a deal, just a pet peeve of mine.

Well in order for Champ to win this award we gotta use the hyperboles cause he doesnt get enogh hype. :thumbsup:

[BroncoInferno]

Well in order for Champ to win this award we gotta use the hyperboles cause he doesnt get enogh hype. :thumbsup:

Oh, it will be used ad naseum, don't worry...I'm just sayin ;D

[Ratboy]

Champ is the best player in the NFL.

So do you believe he can when MVP?

[69bronco]

Champ Should win.

http://cbs4denver.com/sports/local_story_362212409.html

[Steve Sewell]

OK, I love Champ, but I've got a pet peeve when people talk about CBs "taking away half the field." He takes away his one guy, but if his man is on the right side of the field, that doesn't prevent a completion to another receiver on the same side of the field, does it? That always seemed like goofy hyperbole to me. Say he takes away his man and leave it at that. No need for an essentially illogical add-on (he eliminates half the field). Rant over.

Apparently you missed the INT vs. Arizona when he diagnosed the play, left his man, and showed the make up speed, athleticism, and hands to pick off a pass directed at a receiver that the safety was covering. But I digress...

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

OK, I love Champ, but I've got a pet peeve when people talk about CBs "taking away half the field." He takes away his one guy, but if his man is on the right side of the field, that doesn't prevent a completion to another receiver on the same side of the field, does it? That always seemed like goofy hyperbole to me. Say he takes away his man and leave it at that. No need for an essentially illogical add-on (he eliminates half the field). Rant over.

Actually Champ does take away half the field. In the interception he had in the Cards game Champ was maned up on one receiver then left his guy to take the ball away from another receiver 7-8 yards up field.

[BroncoInferno]

Actually Champ does take away half the field. In the interception he had in the Cards game Champ was maned up on one receiver then left his guy to take the ball away from another receiver 7-8 yards up field.

As impressive as that no doubt is, it still would not constitute eliminating half the field.

[Killericon]

Champ Bailey doesn't even get enough recognition from his own fan base, never mind on a national level.

He won't win the award, but he should.

[Play2win]

I think WHEN Champ has his next interception this Sunday against the 49ers, the crowd should chant:

"mvp, MVP, MVP"

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

As impressive as that no doubt is, it still would not constitute eliminating half the field.

then what would?

[BroncoInferno]

then what would?

'Eliminating half the field' seems to mean that if, for instance, Champ or any other corner is covering a man on the right side of the field, then from the sideline to the middle of field is totally shut down. All passes go to the left. That's ridiculous. Passes are completed to his side of the field all the time. Now, there have been instances of awesome play recognition and athleticism where he's pulled off his man to make a play on a guy in his general area (within yards of him, in other words). That's amazing to be sure, but it wouldn't constitute eliminating an entire half of the field. There are plays where Champ has his man wardened off, but another man makes a catch on someone else on the same side of the field. Champ's accomplishments are impressive enough without the needless hyperbole. That's all I'm saying.

[Atlas]

So do you believe he can when MVP?

I doubt it. Jason Taylor has had an amazing season, but Champ is a better player.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

'Eliminating half the field' seems to mean that if, for instance, Champ or any other corner is covering a man on the right side of the field, then from the sideline to the middle of field is totally shut down. All passes go to the left. That's ridiculous. Passes are completed to his side of the field all the time. Now, there have been instances of awesome play recognition and athleticism where he's pulled off his man to make a play on a guy in his general area (within yards of him, in other words). That's amazing to be sure, but it wouldn't constitute eliminating an entire half of the field. There are plays where Champ has his man wardened off, but another man makes a catch on someone else on the same side of the field. Champ's accomplishments are impressive enough without the needless hyperbole. That's all I'm saying.

"Eliminating half the field" is an expression. It is not literal. And even if there is a precentage of time that people make plays on his side of the field still means that there is a percentage where he does make plays even when its not his man. Lets be frank the NFL is trying to help the offense all the time. And on occation Champs man will make a play, but the vast majority of the time he makes the play.

[BroncoInferno]

"Eliminating half the field" is an expression. It is not literal. And even if there is a precentage of time that people make plays on his side of the field still means that there is a percentage where he does make plays even when its not his man. Lets be frank the NFL is trying to help the offense all the time. And on occation Champs man will make a play, but the vast majority of the time he makes the play.

I know it's not literal. That my point. It's excessive hyperbole.

[Play2win]

When they say "Champ Bailey takes away half the field", maybe they are talking about the field of receivers (in the NFL). ie., Champ takes away half of the field of WR's that play in the NFL.

Half of the WR's that play in the NFL just don't matter when they play against the Denver Broncos. ;D

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

I know it's not literal. That my point. It's excessive hyperbole.

Of course it is excessive. Thats how legends are born. They are not born from truth. They are born exponding on the truth. Yeah sure he does literal take away half the field but does he have to to be great.

[Garcia Bronco]

Champ even says he takes away half the field