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WoodMan
12-27-2006, 03:52 PM
A nice article by Phil Simms here.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9891584


Time to recognize the importance of the O-line


By Phil Simms
Special to NFL.com




(Dec. 26, 2006) -- As I watched the Philadelphia Eagles defeat the Dallas Cowboys on Christmas Day, putting themselves in the improbable position of perhaps winning the NFC East, I was reminded of the one thing that stood out the most to me during last year's Super Bowl.

The one thing that jumped out at me while watching Pittsburgh beat Seattle in Super Bowl XL was that it was clear these were the two best offensive lines in football. So while we always focus on the franchise quarterbacks and the skill players, and we debate whether a team possesses a "championship caliber" defense, maybe it's time to recognize the offensive line as perhaps the most important unit for a football team.

What would I do if I were an NFL general manager in charge of building a football team? First of all, that's never going to happen. But if it did, the first thing I would do is make sure I had one of the best offensive line coaches in football. Then I'd draft a premier offensive lineman to anchor the line, and then I'd get a top-notch quarterback.


The Jets O-line has been solid all season with rookie center Nick Mangold leading the unit.
In watching the Eagles go from a 5-6 team with no shot at the playoffs, to a 9-6 team on the verge of winning their division, it's clearly the offensive line play that jumps out at me. The offensive line can cover so many ills on a team, and that's what has happened here. They are protecting quarterback Jeff Garcia, opening holes for Brian Westbrook and controlling the ball so that the defense isn't on the field too much. We've heard for years about how Philadelphia doesn't have that elite wide receiver, but they seem to get players open. I guess those guys are not "elite" because they don't open their mouths all the time and act like "elite" receivers in the NFL. But you always see Donte Stallworth and tight end L.J. Smith catching big passes. The line is giving them time to get open.

Maybe it's because Eagles head coach Andy Reid was the offensive line coach back in Green Bay. For whatever reason, Reid has never neglected that part of his football team, and it has really paid off this season.

The other Christmas Day game provided yet another example of the importance of offensive line play. The Miami Dolphins can rush the passer as good as any team in the league, yet the young New York Jets line handled them pretty well. The Jets have two first-round linemen, tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson and center Nick Mangold, who have started the entire season and done solid jobs. They have the making of a solid line for many, many years to come. And that's part of the reason why Chad Pennington has re-established himself as the quarterback of the New York Jets.

People still ask me, "Is Chad Pennington the future for the Jets?" Well, they sure seem to be building around him, don't they? The offensive design, the play-calling, it fits everything that he's about perfectly.

So go ahead and let everyone else be blinded by skill players or fall back on the old adage that "defense wins championships." But the truth is that there are a lot of ways to get it done.

Maybe it's the offensive line that wins championships.

Nobody's perfect
As we approach the postseason, there is really no single team that you can point to and say there are no weaknesses, no cause for concern.

Case in point: The Chicago Bears. They know injuries on the defense have taken a toll. They have given up more big plays than a so-called "dominant" defense should. More importantly, you have to wonder why a team that is 13-2 gives its backup quarterback a few reps in Week 16 just in case he's needed in the playoffs to salvage something.


Rex Grossman is still trying to prove he's capable of leading the Bears offense.
That has to be very tough for starting QB Rex Grossman. I know you have to deal with the adversity and overcome tough spots and all that. But by playing Brian Griese last week to get him ready in case he's needed, that has to play on the mind of the quarterback. Now there are questions. Players in the locker room are always talking, and this is just another little issue for Grossman to deal with. There is only one way for him to counter it: Stand tall, look straight ahead and be confident in what he's doing.

But we'll hear about this for the next two-and-a-half weeks before the Bears play their first postseason game. It will be an issue, and it will have the fans on the edge of their seats. If the Bears struggle at all in the playoffs, the scenario has been set for a potential quarterback switch.

Under the radar
Meanwhile, two teams that are just under the radar are the New England Patriots and the Baltimore Ravens. It's amazing how far under the radar they are when you consider they have won their divisions.

When you look at the Ravens, they probably are one team for which you can say it's hard to find a weakness in what they're doing. The defense is playing consistently well. They know who they are and how they're going to play. Steve McNair is an experienced quarterback who understands how this team operates. He knows when to take a chance and when not to. And he also has the luxury of knowing that with the defense they have in Baltimore, he can lead an offense that knows it is going to run the football no matter what. Whatever you want to say about the Ravens, this is a team that is not searching for an identity on either side of the ball.

The Patriots, meanwhile, have had a tough go of it at times this season, but they've withstood the blows. And you can't say they don't have the ability to go far, because they've certainly done it before. Somebody asked me if they will get a big lift from the return of safety Rodney Harrison. Well, all I can say is that when you get a really, really good player like that coming back, it's always a big deal

WoodMan
12-27-2006, 03:53 PM
The best line I've seen this year is probably the Chargers. I have not watched too many NFC games, so who is the best in that conference?

Taco John
12-27-2006, 03:54 PM
So go ahead and let everyone else be blinded by skill players or fall back on the old adage that "defense wins championships." But the truth is that there are a lot of ways to get it done.

Maybe it's the offensive line that wins championships.




Thank you.

Hotrod
12-27-2006, 03:57 PM
Wrong Wrong and Wrong. Simms just laid a turd.

The single best Oline in football, maybe not this year but, for the last several years has been the chefs...........hows that worked out for them......

Taco John
12-27-2006, 04:00 PM
What would I do if I were an NFL general manager in charge of building a football team? First of all, that's never going to happen. But if it did, the first thing I would do is make sure I had one of the best offensive line coaches in football. Then I'd draft a premier offensive lineman to anchor the line, and then I'd get a top-notch quarterback.




I'm going to have to forward this to a buddy of mine. A few years ago, we got into this very discussion regarding what we would do if we were building a franchise from the ground up. What Simms wrote here is almost word-for-word verbatim what we said we would do first.

Hotrod
12-27-2006, 04:02 PM
I'm going to have to forward this to a buddy of mine. A few years ago, we got into this very discussion regarding what we would do if we were building a franchise from the ground up. What Simms wrote here is almost word-for-word verbatim what we said we would do first.

Is your buddys name "Matt Millan" by any chance ;)

Taco John
12-27-2006, 04:04 PM
Wrong Wrong and Wrong. Simms just laid a turd.

The single best Oline in football, maybe not this year but, for the last several years has been the chefs...........hows that worked out for them......



It worked out great for them on offense. Trent Green went from being a 20 interception quarterback to looking like one of the better quarterbacks in the league. Priest Holmes went from being a nobody back-up, to the mos preiminent runningback in the game.

Simms isn't saying that you need to ignore the defense. He's not saying you need to keep Greg Robinson in there a year too long. He's not saying you need to bring in Jelly Dalton, or draft busts like Ryan Simms. He's not saying you need to keep playing Warfield and Bartee until they prove beyond all reasonable doubt that they can't hack it. Or bring in a hack defensive coordinator that was fired once already.

He's just saying that there should be some priority given to the foundation of your entire team: the offensive line.

Taco John
12-27-2006, 04:06 PM
Is your buddys name "Matt Millan" by any chance ;)

Has Matt Millen put any priority in the offensive line at Detroit? Cartainly not in the draft, where he's drafted a lot of defense and skill positions early... How's that working out for him?

Hotrod
12-27-2006, 04:07 PM
It worked out great for them on offense. Trent Green went from being a 20 interception quarterback to looking like one of the better quarterbacks in the league. Priest Holmes went from being a nobody back-up, to the mos preiminent runningback in the game.

Simms isn't saying that you need to ignore the defense. He's not saying you need to keep Greg Robinson in there a year too long. He's not saying you need to bring in Jelly Dalton, or draft busts like Ryan Simms. He's not saying you need to keep playing Warfield and Bartee until they prove beyond all reasonable doubt that they can't hack it. Or bring in a hack defensive coordinator that was fired once already.
He's just saying that there should be some priority given to the foundation of your entire team: the offensive line.

LOL god I love the chefs Ha!

He is saying Olines win championships....thats very suspect at best.

Give me an average Oline and a dominate D in the SB anyday of the week.

Taco John
12-27-2006, 04:10 PM
He is saying Olines win championships....thats very suspect at best.



It's not suspect at all. In fact, it's the reason we have two Superbowl trophies in the case. We aren't winning either Superbowl without one of the best Olines in the game.

Taco John
12-27-2006, 04:11 PM
Give me an average Oline and a dominate D in the SB anyday of the week.

I'll take a dominant oline, and an average D and kick your teeth in during the fourth quarter when your D is winded.

Hotrod
12-27-2006, 04:17 PM
I'll take a dominant oline, and an average D and kick your teeth in during the fourth quarter when your D is winded.

I'd love to GM against you. My dominate D would dominate your team thats $ is all tied up in the OLine...........again the Chefs.

Taco John
12-27-2006, 04:19 PM
I'd love to GM against you. My dominate D would dominate your team thats $ is all tied up in the OLine...........again the Chefs.

My dominant offensive line would pee in your coffee mug when you aren't looking, and key your car.

Taco John
12-27-2006, 04:22 PM
I'd love to GM against you. My dominate D would dominate your team thats $ is all tied up in the OLine...........again the Chefs.

Also, the Chiefs had plenty of money tied up in defensive players who tanked. It would have been a different story for them if Hicks had panned out, Ryan Sims hadn't busted, and they would have kept Donnie Edwards. Not to mention the Jerome Woods injury.

Also, the kept Greg Robinson around a year too long, and in that year did nothing whatsoever to improve their defense. Not because they didn't have the cap space. But because their owner was too tight to spend anything more.

Hotrod
12-27-2006, 04:23 PM
My dominant offensive line would pee in your coffee mug when you aren't looking, and key your car.

So you'd be the GM of the Bungles or faiders ???

Im just a fan of Defense plain and simple so I guess I dont see us agreeing here regardless.

The truth is prolly somewhere in the middle like usual.

Arkansas Bronco
12-27-2006, 04:27 PM
Hmm I am going to stay out of the HR/TJ debate and just say I sure would like a good line around Cutler. We have half of one I hope we figure out how to fix it. Oh and the chefs never had any of those WR players either, when Kennison is your #1 WR things are bad. We on the other hand have a pretty good group team that up with Cutler and whoever we stick in @ RB plus a solid line and that would put our Off. as one of the best. We also need a rebuilt D-Line and championship.

Garcia Bronco
12-27-2006, 04:51 PM
San Diego has had the best oline this season. LT sometimes doesn't even get touched on his TD runs.

Rohirrim
12-27-2006, 05:03 PM
I've always believed this. The first selection I would make for an expansion team would be the best LT in the draft followed closely by the best C I could get. There have been many average NFL QBs who looked damn good behind an awesome Oline, but few star QBs have looked good behind a lousy one.

yavoon
12-27-2006, 05:26 PM
I've always believed this. The first selection I would make for an expansion team would be the best LT in the draft followed closely by the best C I could get. There have been many average NFL QBs who looked damn good behind an awesome Oline, but few star QBs have looked good behind a lousy one.

qbs can make olines look good plenty often. especially intelligent qbs or ones w/ quick releases.

Hotrod
12-27-2006, 06:20 PM
I've always believed this. The first selection I would make for an expansion team would be the best LT in the draft followed closely by the best C I could get. There have been many average NFL QBs who looked damn good behind an awesome Oline, but few star QBs have looked good behind a lousy one.

Thats the thing nobody is saying you dont have to have an Oline or that you ignore the Oline but to say they win SB's is.......well lets just say silly ;D

DeusExManning
12-27-2006, 06:31 PM
The OL is the most important aspect BUT it can be coached and it is very difficult to draft OL. Look at Marcus Mcneil. The way he is playing he would have been a top 5 draft choice but he was taken in the second round. We drafted George Foster in the first round and what has he done for us. So yes I agree with Phil Simms, but, you find your talent in the later rounds and you get the best coaches you can and you really focus on the coaching and the system for OL.

Willynowei
12-27-2006, 10:26 PM
I beg to differ.

The O-line is far and away most important on offense, just as D-line is to defense. However, if you want to know which particular unit is more important to the Team overall all you have to do is look at the Panthers and Chiefs over the past half decade or so.

You've got one team with the best O-line in the NFL for consecutive years and another with the best D-line for consecutive years.

Which one has more success? The answer is obvious.

I would say O-line is second only to the D-line, but there is no question to me that Defensive line play is most important in winning in the NFL.