Carr out, Plummer in at Texas?

[Taco John]

Is David Carr about to play his final game in Houston?

Carr was the Texans’ first-ever draft choice, and he has started all but a handful of the franchise’s games. But the team might be readying to move on without him, the way we hear it.

Texans head coach Gary Kubiak has said that Carr’s status will be evaluated in the offseason, and a source close to the club suggests that Carr is no better than a 50-50 shot to return for a sixth season in Houston. The 27-year-old quarterback is scheduled to make $5.25 million in salary in 2007 and $6 million in ’08, and he could draw interest from other teams looking to pick up a talented veteran who might just need a change of scenery.

Carr has taken a beating throughout his five seasons, a factor that his supporters say must be weighed when evaluating his play. Carr has been sacked 40 times this season, even with Kubiak emphasizing the short-passing game.

However, Carr’s fundamentals, such as his pass drops and footwork, have been criticized by Kubiak, who has indicated the veteran too often falls into bad habits, especially when he tries to do too much. Turnovers are also a sore spot for Kubiak, who benched Carr in the Week Eight loss to Tennessee after he committed three turnovers.

Moreover, Carr just hasn’t been very productive of late. From Weeks Eight through Week 16, Carr threw only two TD passes. Carr struggled so mightily in a win at Oakland in Week 13 that Kubiak all but abandoned the passing game in the second half.

Carr’s popularity in Houston appears to be at an all-time low. It doesn’t help that Houston native Vince Young is starring at quarterback for the Tennessee Titans. If the Texans were criticized nationally for passing on RB Reggie Bush in favor of DE Mario Williams in April’s draft, they really got it locally for passing on Young, who was drafted third overall. Young is beloved in Houston, even by Texans fans, some of whom cheered Young as he scored a game-winning touchdown at Reliant Stadium in Week 14.

If the Texans look to replace Carr, expect Broncos QB Jake Plummer’s name to bounce about the rumor mill, given Kubiak’s work with Plummer as Denver’s offensive coordinator.

Asked last week whether Carr would be best-suited by a fresh start, Kubiak replied, “I don’t want to go there.” That said, you can be certain Carr’s future with the club will be reviewed in the weeks to come.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/WWHI/2006/wwhi2125.htm

[Kaylore]

Maybe they'll give us one of their second round picks for him! ;D

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I'd be shocked if it didn't work out this way. It'll be interesting to see what Plummer can do there.

[Kaylore]

I never felt Carr had the demeanor of a pro quarterback. He never seemed to display the kind of self-confidence and leadership skills that you need to be successful at the pro level. We'll see, but I trust Kubiak if he says that Carr has to go.

[sgbfan]

That is what I have always thought would happen. I see them taking a QB early, maybe second or third round. I can see plummer being the next Kurt Warner (Manning and Leinart). Being a BYU fan I would LOVE to see John Beck go there. I would have a #2 team for the first time in my life.

[Taco John]

Is Carr a free agent, or is there a possibility we could trade straight across? I think he'd make great back-up material. He's young though, so I'm sure he wants to feel his way around the league like Harrington did and end up with another starting opportunity. But then again, it's not like Harrington was a starter out the gates.

I hope we take a look at him as a back-up.

[Taco John]

That is what I have always thought would happen. I see them taking a QB early, maybe second or third round. I can see plummer being the next Kurt Warner (Manning and Leinart). Being a BYU fan I would LOVE to see John Beck go there. I would have a #2 team for the first time in my life.

Personally, I think Kubiak is making a big mistake if he plans on nabbing Plummer, and drafting a first round quarterback to groom. I think Plummer would feel more comfortable if it was a second or third round pick. But if a rookie with a better skill set comes in, I think Plummer will press again all season.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

For the deal to fall through Jake would need to redo his contract. Cause right now it would cost more to trade him than to cut him after June 1st.

[sgbfan]

Personally, I think Kubiak is making a big mistake if he plans on nabbing Plummer, and drafting a first round quarterback to groom. I think Plummer would feel more comfortable if it was a second or third round pick. But if a rookie with a better skill set comes in, I think Plummer will press again all season.

I agree somewhat. Thats why I think it could be in the 3rd round, No great fan expectations from the beginning. I could see a QB coming in a year or two with Kubes trying to get a better base for his team strengthening both lines. He has already started doing that.

[watermock]

Straight up trade.

[watermock]

For the deal to fall through Jake would need to redo his contract. Cause right now it would cost more to trade him than to cut him after June 1st.

Wrong...He has all of his signing bonus. That's up to Houston regarding any contract.

[BroncoInferno]

I think Houston and Tampa Bay are the most likely places Plummer will land. Carr is still only 27 and has only one years in Kubes system, so my guess will be he'll bring Plummer (or another vet) in and let them compete with Carr for the starting job. Maybe he'll use a 2nd or 3rd rounder on a guy to groom as well.

Gruden has always flirted with vet QBs, and with his current QB situation combined with Plummer's west coast experience, I think you'll see Tampa in the mix as well.

[Broncoman13]

Is David Carr about to play his final game in Houston?

Carr was the Texans’ first-ever draft choice, and he has started all but a handful of the franchise’s games. But the team might be readying to move on without him, the way we hear it.

Texans head coach Gary Kubiak has said that Carr’s status will be evaluated in the offseason, and a source close to the club suggests that Carr is no better than a 50-50 shot to return for a sixth season in Houston. The 27-year-old quarterback is scheduled to make $5.25 million in salary in 2007 and $6 million in ’08, and he could draw interest from other teams looking to pick up a talented veteran who might just need a change of scenery.

Carr has taken a beating throughout his five seasons, a factor that his supporters say must be weighed when evaluating his play. Carr has been sacked 40 times this season, even with Kubiak emphasizing the short-passing game.

However, Carr’s fundamentals, such as his pass drops and footwork, have been criticized by Kubiak, who has indicated the veteran too often falls into bad habits, especially when he tries to do too much. Turnovers are also a sore spot for Kubiak, who benched Carr in the Week Eight loss to Tennessee after he committed three turnovers.

Moreover, Carr just hasn’t been very productive of late. From Weeks Eight through Week 16, Carr threw only two TD passes. Carr struggled so mightily in a win at Oakland in Week 13 that Kubiak all but abandoned the passing game in the second half.

Carr’s popularity in Houston appears to be at an all-time low. It doesn’t help that Houston native Vince Young is starring at quarterback for the Tennessee Titans. If the Texans were criticized nationally for passing on RB Reggie Bush in favor of DE Mario Williams in April’s draft, they really got it locally for passing on Young, who was drafted third overall. Young is beloved in Houston, even by Texans fans, some of whom cheered Young as he scored a game-winning touchdown at Reliant Stadium in Week 14.

If the Texans look to replace Carr, expect Broncos QB Jake Plummer’s name to bounce about the rumor mill, given Kubiak’s work with Plummer as Denver’s offensive coordinator.

Asked last week whether Carr would be best-suited by a fresh start, Kubiak replied, “I don’t want to go there.” That said, you can be certain Carr’s future with the club will be reviewed in the weeks to come.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/WWHI/2006/wwhi2125.htm


Michael Vick... you heard it here first!

[Broncoman13]

Wrong...He has all of his signing bonus. That's up to Houston regarding any contract.

His point was that the entire signing bonus would hit the Broncos cap the day he was traded. As it stands, it's divided evenly amongst the years he's signed for.

[elsid13]

I just don't see Carr leaving Houston, especial after the last game against Indy. I watch a little of that and he was making the right plays and pass were accurate and on time. But he did have a running game that day.

[-Slap-]

Third rounder would be fine with me.

[HEAV]

David Carr as our backup? I don't see that happening at all. I think Sahnny will go with a more "senior" backup. Brad Johnson.

Jake would love to be back with Kubiak.

Jake will be cut, so no trade value there.

The Texans blew the draft, Bush, Young.

[Florida_Bronco]

Gruden has always flirted with vet QBs, and with his current QB situation combined with Plummer's west coast experience, I think you'll see Tampa in the mix as well.

That's assuming Gruden has a job with the Bucs next season, which is highly unlikely. You heard it here first. :thumbsup:

[bronco militia]

why would Kubiak want another ineffective QB to replace the ineffective Car?

[smalltowngrll]

I would love to see Jake in Houston....he plays very well under Kubiak.

[BigPlayShay]

I think Shanny shocks us all and doesn't even persue a veteran back-up. I think Preston Parsons will be the back-up.

[alkemical]

can we trade jake for mario williams?

[iowa broncofan]

If the Texans don't start spending their early-round picks on offensive linemen, it's not going to matter who's back there. I can't believe they haven't adequately dealt with that problem yet. Jake would be a good fit, but everyone knows we'll cut him, so I can't imagine someone giving us a pick for somebody who got benched during a playoff collapse, er... run.

This all assumes Jake wants to go to Houston. That could be true, with Kubiak there, but he might want to look around the league at his options. That said, I can't think of a better fit for him. Oakland would be a possibility, but the same o-line problems apply there.

[broncsyanks]

yep it sounds right to me. i wouldnt mind taking carr and dayne back as well.

[JCMElway]

Maybe they'll give us one of their second round picks for him! ;D

Meh. I'd be surprised if we got anything better than a 4th for him.

[bronco militia]

yep it sounds right to me. i wouldnt mind taking carr and dayne back as well.

huh?.....the Texans can't play the Colts every week...Ha!

[alkemical]

huh?.....the Texans can't play the Colts every week...Ha!

doh!

[s0phr0syne]

How long do you guys think that Eli has to turn things around in NY before he gets booted/benched?



This is kind of random, but I wonder what Kubes could mold Eli into....

[alkemical]

How long do you guys think that Eli has to turn things around in NY before he gets booted/benched?



This is kind of random, but I wonder what Kubes could mold Eli into....

Eli will get his time. The coaches will be on a short leash for a bit.

[bendog]

If the Texans don't start spending their early-round picks on offensive linemen, it's not going to matter who's back there. I can't believe they haven't adequately dealt with that problem yet. Jake would be a good fit, but everyone knows we'll cut him, so I can't imagine someone giving us a pick for somebody who got benched during a playoff collapse, er... run.

This all assumes Jake wants to go to Houston. That could be true, with Kubiak there, but he might want to look around the league at his options. That said, I can't think of a better fit for him. Oakland would be a possibility, but the same o-line problems apply there.

Pears, Carlise and Jake for Carr! (-:

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I never felt Carr had the demeanor of a pro quarterback. He never seemed to display the kind of self-confidence and leadership skills that you need to be successful at the pro level. We'll see, but I trust Kubiak if he says that Carr has to go.

He sure had all of that at Fresno. Lost it when he got to Houston and got knocked on his butt every other play.

[broncogary]

I think Jake would be a good fit in Houston because he knows the system and would be an upgrade over Carr.

But we don't want Carr on the Broncos. The guy has zero field awareness.

[Broncoman13]

If the Texans don't start spending their early-round picks on offensive linemen, it's not going to matter who's back there. I can't believe they haven't adequately dealt with that problem yet. Jake would be a good fit, but everyone knows we'll cut him, so I can't imagine someone giving us a pick for somebody who got benched during a playoff collapse, er... run.

This all assumes Jake wants to go to Houston. That could be true, with Kubiak there, but he might want to look around the league at his options. That said, I can't think of a better fit for him. Oakland would be a possibility, but the same o-line problems apply there.


They did do a lot to start that process in this draft. Charles Spencer was one of the top rated OT's in the draft. Eric Winston, if not for knee concerns and a not so great year leading up to the draft, would have been a top 15 pick. Owen Daniels
Charles Spencer
Third round (65th overall)
Tackle (6-4, 352)
Pittsburgh

Highlights: Two-time second-team All-Big East Conference selection. Helped Pitt's offense average 335.8 yards per game in 2005, and had 69 knockdowns and nine touchdown-resulting blocks.

Quote: Head coach Gary Kubiak: "Towards the end of his season as a senior, (Spencer) probably played as well as any tackle that we studied. I’ll tell you where he really jumped out at us is when he went to the Senior Bowl...On the biggest stage you could be on as a college player for that week, he really jumped out at us."



Eric Winston
Third round (66th overall)
Tackle (6-7, 310)
Miami

Highlights: All-American first-team selection by Walter Camp, American Football Coaches Association (AFCA) and Sports Illustrated in 2005. Also named All-ACC first-team pick last season.

Quote: Head coach Gary Kubiak: "A very high-profile lineman at the University of Miami...Tore his knee up as a junior and missed that season. He came back this year and was fine. Played throughout the whole season, so he’s coming off that knee and he made it through the whole season and got better and better as the season went along. Probably had that not happened to this young man, we’re talking about a first-round tackle this year. We’re very fortunate."



Owen Daniels
Fourth round (98th overall)
Tight end (6-3, 247)
Wisconsin

Highlights: All-Big Ten conference selection as a junior in 2004. Caught 22 balls for 268 yards (12.2 avg) and four touchdowns as a senior.

Quote: Head coach Gary Kubiak: "We like what he brings to the table, and if everything continues to come together for this young man, we feel like he has got an excellent opportunity to be a starter in this league for a long time.”

[bpc]

Those are going to be our best two backup options with vet QB's in 07'. Take your pick which one you want. I wouldn't be against keeping Jake here. He is under contract.

[loborugger]

Straight up trade.

That would mean we would be in the hole 5 mill to a back up QB. For us to take Carr as a back up (which I have no problem with, BTW), that # would have to come down, significantly.

[alkemical]

I think carr will be fine, he just has to get out of HOU. This year might be good for F/A QB's. That is if you don't have a #6 on your roster to take care of that problem..... ;)

[gunns]

Is David Carr about to play his final game in Houston?

Carr was the Texans’ first-ever draft choice, and he has started all but a handful of the franchise’s games. But the team might be readying to move on without him, the way we hear it.

Texans head coach Gary Kubiak has said that Carr’s status will be evaluated in the offseason, and a source close to the club suggests that Carr is no better than a 50-50 shot to return for a sixth season in Houston. The 27-year-old quarterback is scheduled to make $5.25 million in salary in 2007 and $6 million in ’08, and he could draw interest from other teams looking to pick up a talented veteran who might just need a change of scenery.

Carr has taken a beating throughout his five seasons, a factor that his supporters say must be weighed when evaluating his play. Carr has been sacked 40 times this season, even with Kubiak emphasizing the short-passing game.

However, Carr’s fundamentals, such as his pass drops and footwork, have been criticized by Kubiak, who has indicated the veteran too often falls into bad habits, especially when he tries to do too much. Turnovers are also a sore spot for Kubiak, who benched Carr in the Week Eight loss to Tennessee after he committed three turnovers.

Moreover, Carr just hasn’t been very productive of late. From Weeks Eight through Week 16, Carr threw only two TD passes. Carr struggled so mightily in a win at Oakland in Week 13 that Kubiak all but abandoned the passing game in the second half.

Carr’s popularity in Houston appears to be at an all-time low. It doesn’t help that Houston native Vince Young is starring at quarterback for the Tennessee Titans. If the Texans were criticized nationally for passing on RB Reggie Bush in favor of DE Mario Williams in April’s draft, they really got it locally for passing on Young, who was drafted third overall. Young is beloved in Houston, even by Texans fans, some of whom cheered Young as he scored a game-winning touchdown at Reliant Stadium in Week 14.

If the Texans look to replace Carr, expect Broncos QB Jake Plummer’s name to bounce about the rumor mill, given Kubiak’s work with Plummer as Denver’s offensive coordinator.

Asked last week whether Carr would be best-suited by a fresh start, Kubiak replied, “I don’t want to go there.” That said, you can be certain Carr’s future with the club will be reviewed in the weeks to come.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/The+Way+We+Hear+It/WWHI/2006/wwhi2125.htm

Sounds to me like Kubes already has a Plummer down there in Carr. If we're going to get rid of Plummer he'll be cut to save some money. IF there was a trade to be had I'd want Mario Williams and I don't believe Kubes made a mistake in that pick. Down the road he'll pay off. Look at the problems we've had for the past two years without a good DE. Hell, our rookie RB had more yards and TD's than Bush.

[alkemical]

Sounds to me like Kubes already has a Plummer down there in Carr. If we're going to get rid of Plummer he'll be cut to save some money. IF there was a trade to be had I'd want Mario Williams and I don't believe Kubes made a mistake in that pick. Down the road he'll pay off. Look at the problems we've had for the past two years without a good DE. Hell, our rookie RB had more yards and TD's than Bush.

Yeah i actually agreed with taking mario williams. They could have moved down a spot or two - but blah blah blah -

Kubes saw what not having a DE does to your "D". You need to have a blue-chipper at each "level" (Line, LB, DB) to build around.

[elsid13]

Yeah i actually agreed with taking mario williams. They could have moved down a spot or two - but blah blah blah -

Kubes saw what not having a DE does to your "D". You need to have a blue-chipper at each "level" (Line, LB, DB) to build around.

I wouldn't be surprise if Kubes pass on Peterson and goes Defense line (Groves, Branch,etc) in the 1st round and picks up a running back like Irons in the 2nd.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

They did do a lot to start that process in this draft. Charles Spencer was one of the top rated OT's in the draft. Eric Winston, if not for knee concerns and a not so great year leading up to the draft, would have been a top 15 pick. Owen Daniels
Charles Spencer
Third round (65th overall)
Tackle (6-4, 352)
Pittsburgh

Highlights: Two-time second-team All-Big East Conference selection. Helped Pitt's offense average 335.8 yards per game in 2005, and had 69 knockdowns and nine touchdown-resulting blocks.

Quote: Head coach Gary Kubiak: "Towards the end of his season as a senior, (Spencer) probably played as well as any tackle that we studied. I’ll tell you where he really jumped out at us is when he went to the Senior Bowl...On the biggest stage you could be on as a college player for that week, he really jumped out at us."



Eric Winston
Third round (66th overall)
Tackle (6-7, 310)
Miami

Highlights: All-American first-team selection by Walter Camp, American Football Coaches Association (AFCA) and Sports Illustrated in 2005. Also named All-ACC first-team pick last season.

Quote: Head coach Gary Kubiak: "A very high-profile lineman at the University of Miami...Tore his knee up as a junior and missed that season. He came back this year and was fine. Played throughout the whole season, so he’s coming off that knee and he made it through the whole season and got better and better as the season went along. Probably had that not happened to this young man, we’re talking about a first-round tackle this year. We’re very fortunate."



Owen Daniels
Fourth round (98th overall)
Tight end (6-3, 247)
Wisconsin

Highlights: All-Big Ten conference selection as a junior in 2004. Caught 22 balls for 268 yards (12.2 avg) and four touchdowns as a senior.

Quote: Head coach Gary Kubiak: "We like what he brings to the table, and if everything continues to come together for this young man, we feel like he has got an excellent opportunity to be a starter in this league for a long time.”

Spencer was off to a great start till he got hurt. Winston was probably the smartest of last year's OL crop. Those two get a couple of years experience and they could be the best pair in the league.

[Mountain Bronco]

First, we are not trading plummer the cap hit is far to large, plus, why would you give up any value for a backup quarterback. To suggest giving up carlisle (who is a free agent anyway) and Pears to get Carr is riduculous. Get an old vet, who is content with riding the pine that is the only option. Carr is to young still.

[BroncoInferno]

That's assuming Gruden has a job with the Bucs next season, which is highly unlikely. You heard it here first. :thumbsup:


Eh, he'll probably be back. A Super Bowl win buys you a couple of years. Plus, they are reportedly about to give Chris Simms a two year extension. I doubt they'd do that if they were planning a regime change without consulting the new staff.

[bendog]

I'm still not clear on the cap aspects of a trade under the new cba.

btw, Dayne's having a nice year down there. ... nice for a 5-10 team.

[BroncoInferno]

why would Kubiak want another ineffective QB to replace the ineffective Car?

I know some of you want to pretend that Plummer never contributed anything to this team, but he was generally a pretty solid player under Kubiak's watch. I think Houston's bad OL actually makes Plummer a perfect fit for them, because he is one of the best QBs in the league at alluding the rush, something at which Carr has not proven adept. They have pretty good skill players in place, so he wouldn't have to carry the team. Sacks have gone up since Cutler came in, so we are seeing how effective Plummer has been at masking pass protection problems (before people flame me for this comment, I'm not saying he's better than Cutler, just that he's better in this particular area than Cutler and most every other QB in the league for that matter).

I think it would be a similar situation in Tampa. They have pretty good skill players but a bad OL. I don't think either place would hand the job to Plummer, but he'd put serious pressure on the youngsters in those places to get better immediately or go to the bench.

[Florida_Bronco]

Eh, he'll probably be back. A Super Bowl win buys you a of couple years. Plus, they are reportedly about to give Chris Simms a two year extension. I doubt they'd do that if they were planning a regime change without consulting the new staff.

I don't know about that. One of the local Broncos fans here that I watch the games with occasionally talks with a member of the Glazer family though a mutual friend, and that Glazer has dropped several hints that they do not plan to bring Gruden back.

[BroncoInferno]

I don't know about that. One of the local Broncos fans here that I watch the games with occasionally talks with a member of the Glazer family though a mutual friend, and that Glazer has dropped several hints that they do not plan to bring Gruden back.

Anything is possible, but I'd be pretty surprised if he was not retained. As I said, the looming Simms extension would seem to point to a Gruden return. I doubt they'd make any kind of commitment to an unproven QB without first consulting the new staff. But who knows.

[bendog]

Question 1.12
What happens if a player is traded or retires?

Answer: We already know that if a player is waived on or before June 1, the remaining signing bonus that has not been included in salary “accelerates” and is included in that year’s team salary. Acceleration also occurs when a player is traded or waived and picked up by another team. The new team is not responsible for any of the original signing bonus. The team that waived or traded the player is responsible for the accelerated signing bonus (in the same manner as described above).

In most cases, if a player retires, the remaining signing bonus that has not been included in salary “accelerates” and is included in that year’s team salary. Thus, the team will take an immediate salary cap hit of the remaining signing bonus.
http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/faq.asp

[Broncoman13]

Question 1.12
What happens if a player is traded or retires?

Answer: We already know that if a player is waived on or before June 1, the remaining signing bonus that has not been included in salary “accelerates” and is included in that year’s team salary. Acceleration also occurs when a player is traded or waived and picked up by another team. The new team is not responsible for any of the original signing bonus. The team that waived or traded the player is responsible for the accelerated signing bonus (in the same manner as described above).

In most cases, if a player retires, the remaining signing bonus that has not been included in salary “accelerates” and is included in that year’s team salary. Thus, the team will take an immediate salary cap hit of the remaining signing bonus.
http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/faq.asp

That's what I was trying to explain to Mock. But, I think that may have been pre-CBA. Supposedly there are some new things to the trading of players that relaxes some of those cap hits. Not sure what, but that's what I've heard in the past. Anny could explain a lot better. Herc, where are you brah?

[footstepsfrom#27]

However, Carr’s fundamentals, such as his pass drops and footwork, have been criticized by Kubiak, who has indicated the veteran too often falls into bad habits, especially when he tries to do too much. Turnovers are also a sore spot for Kubiak
I must be missing something here.

[elsid13]

One of the points that Cris Carter made on HBO last night was the lack of coaching young QBs get in the league. More a trial by fire and coaching by guys that never played the position. And he wonder why if you're are going to make that much of investment in guy, why teams didn't have the correct support structure in place.

I don't think Carr had a QB coach under Capers coaching staff did he? It sound like he (Kubes) going to have break him down like they did Plummer a couple of years ago and rebuild him.

[ZONA]

Bob needs to remove that stupid a$$ score under his name. How pathetic is that? Do you see anybody here with the score of our win over them under their name? No, because we care about winning Superbowls here, not the score of a single game. Bob, do yourself a favor and quick looking so gayy by having that dumb score there. We split the games this year, why don't you have both on there. We won the first one, we are going to the playoffs and you are not. YOU SUCK IT big boy!LOL

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

His point was that the entire signing bonus would hit the Broncos cap the day he was traded. As it stands, it's divided evenly amongst the years he's signed for.

Thanks. Signing bonus is prorated to the last season they played and it would be cheaper to cut him after the June 1st than to trade him unless he redoes his deal first.

[broncogary]

I don't think Carr had a QB coach under Capers coaching staff did he? It sound like he (Kubes) going to have break him down like they did Plummer a couple of years ago and rebuild him.

Chris Palmer.

[-Slap-]

Chris Palmer.

Ouch. Worse than having nobody. Palmer's only success in the NFL was working with Bledsoe as a rookie. I guess that explains Carr's pocket sense.