So how terrible is Foster?

[Kaylore]

Poll forthcoming for the man responsible for three sacks and pretty much all of our offensive woes this game - particularly in the first half.

[SureShot]

What a waste.

[Conklin]

i cursed at the tv all game long watchin him attempt to play....I really wanna know how much it'd cost to get his seat to the game cuz he constantly is getting to watch cutler pass those beauties cuz his man is always between him and cutler neways!

[Garcia Bronco]

George Foster is so terrible that he could get beat by a phonebooth

[SureShot]

He gets beat more than Bob's pud

[Conklin]

George Foster is so terrible that he could get beat by a phonebooth

bring on the pepsi machine!

[watermock]

We need to juice him up or something...he's lazy

[Clockwork Orange]

Foster wearing the Broncos 3rd jersey.

http://www.cepsorbents.com/prodimagesL/101-SAFETYCONE28.jpg

[elsid13]

Like Stinky said on the radio last week, he's is not a tackle in the NFl. He needs to be a guard and he'll be very good. His footwork is just not consistently good enough to play tackle. I think his going inside would be very interesting. I know everyone here thinks he is useless, but his talent level is rare for that big of a guy. He would dominate if he didnt have to move laterally all the time.

[RhymesayersDU]

He makes Robert Gallery look awesome.

[Florida_Bronco]

For half of his salary I'd suit my ass up and go out there to play his spot. At least I could get in the D-line's way.

[Taco John]

He was especially bad today. He wasn't alone by a long shot though. I miss Gibbs.

[Kaylore]

He was especially bad today. He wasn't alone by a long shot though. I miss Gibbs.

That doesn't make it ok, and I would argue he was alone as he was the worst player on the team hands down today. Particularly upsetting was his ability to suck his worst when we needed him to not suck the most. I was screaming at the screen. I'm so tired of this fool.

[BroncoSoja]

For half of his salary I'd suit my ass up and go out there to play his spot. At least I could get in the D-line's way.

ROFL

[Jetmeck]

He was especially bad today. He wasn't alone by a long shot though. I miss Gibbs.


Very good point. That tough old drill sargent would whip George into shape or at least cuss him out.....LOL

[Jetmeck]

That doesn't make it ok, and I would argue he was alone as he was the worst player on the team hands down today. Particularly upsetting was his ability to suck his worst when we needed him to not suck the most. I was screaming at the screen. I'm so tired of this fool.

Your not alone. Meadows was suited up so hopefully he'll be ready next week for sure.

[broncolife]

Never liked the pick. I remember my first reaction. Why the hell Is Shanny taking a injured player who only played like 9 games in college. I know Shanny has hard ons for injured players, but that pissed me off. You dont take development players in the first round and that exactly what someone is if they havent played much in college. I hope Shanny Stays away from the injured Players with this upcoming draft. At least in the first and 2nd rounds.Unless its somebody with unbelivieable talent and is a recoverable injury. Lets see Ashley,Middlebrooks,Foster,Tovessi all in the first two rounds and I dont consider them unbelievable talents.

[Taco John]

That doesn't make it ok, and I would argue he was alone as he was the worst player on the team hands down today. Particularly upsetting was his ability to suck his worst when we needed him to not suck the most. I was screaming at the screen. I'm so tired of this fool.



I agree that it doesn't make it ok. But Foster's poor play doesn't make the rest of the line's poor play ok either. Cutler took plenty of blind-side pressure this game, not to mention inside pressure he received. Foster looked bad, and I realize you want to single him out because you've said so since training camp. He definitely deserves scorn.

[watermock]

But shouldn't of Foster been protecting the blind side by now Taco?

He was drafted to be a left tackle...I said he would never be one.

[Jason in LA]

He's so bad that I just got a call to fly out for a tryout, and I'm only 175 lbs. I'm sure I can do a better job than him.

[Odysseus]

He was especially bad today. He wasn't alone by a long shot though. I miss Gibbs.

I miss Gibbs too. He used to WILL players to make things happen on the offensive line. Players always seemed to have another gear.

I saw in another thread the mention of moving Foster to guard. I think the OL is desperate for either a makeover or a serious re-evaluation.

[watermock]

http://static.flickr.com/21/90062973_692002cb5e_o.jpg

I don't know with that...it sure likes he need to take a pill tho.

[Man-Goblin]

I was at the game today, and despite what one of the poll answers suggests, Foster really isn't fat at all. He's tall, leaner than what I thought he'd be, and definitely muscular. He's a true beast to look at on the field, even next to other enormous guys. What a waste.

[Garcia Bronco]

Ever since that last Cincy game he just went sour dough

[Kaylore]

I agree that it doesn't make it ok. But Foster's poor play doesn't make the rest of the line's poor play ok either. Cutler took plenty of blind-side pressure this game, not to mention inside pressure he received. Foster looked bad, and I realize you want to single him out because you've said so since training camp. He definitely deserves scorn.

I need to go back and look but a lot of the time when you saw Cutler got swarmed under by a defender, if it wasn't because Foster's guy was sacking him, it was because Cutler was fleeing into the other rushing defenders in an effort to escape Foster's guy. A few of those are on Cutler for not dumping the ball or sliding the wrong way, but I can't really blame a rookie that knows his right side is a revolving door that will likely let someone through every play.

[24champ]

hmmm a Cardboard box and attach face on it...

http://www.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/Team/foster_mug.jpg
http://www.dreamstime.com/thumb_21/1126751443b9FJcG.jpg

[Archie]

I could not believe the number of times I saw him standing there watching his guy make the play... including as, Khan notes the, several of the first half sacks directly attributable to his awful play...

Here is hoping Meadows gets his a$$ back into the starting line up soon...

[Northman]

Foster wearing the Broncos 3rd jersey.

http://www.cepsorbents.com/prodimagesL/101-SAFETYCONE28.jpg



LMAO! Ha!

[Merlin]

The one near the 1 yd line was unbelievable. You would think he could muster the attention and will to protect him at such a critical junction. I'm surprised Shanny doesn't cut his a$$ right after that play. Hopefully he will make a better guard.

[ØrangeÇrush]

I agree that it doesn't make it ok. But Foster's poor play doesn't make the rest of the line's poor play ok either. Cutler took plenty of blind-side pressure this game, not to mention inside pressure he received. Foster looked bad, and I realize you want to single him out because you've said so since training camp. He definitely deserves scorn.



Uhmm..... you realize you're comparing Foster, a first round 3 year starter, and an UDFA first year player in Pears....whats worse is that you're using Pears suckiness to minimize the amount of suckiness Foster has.


In all honesty, I know Foster has the talent, he just needs the motivation. I think his development took a huge hit when he injured the defensive player the last time we played the Bengals.

[Casper Bronco]

Like Stinky said on the radio last week, he's is not a tackle in the NFl. He needs to be a guard and he'll be very good. His footwork is just not consistently good enough to play tackle. I think his going inside would be very interesting. I know everyone here thinks he is useless, but his talent level is rare for that big of a guy. He would dominate if he didnt have to move laterally all the time.


This is very true. He is a pretty darn good run blocker.

[Taco John]

Uhmm..... you realize you're comparing Foster, a first round 3 year starter, and an UDFA first year player in Pears....whats worse is that you're using Pears suckiness to minimize the amount of suckiness Foster has.


In all honesty, I know Foster has the talent, he just needs the motivation. I think his development took a huge hit when he injured the defensive player the last time we played the Bengals.



Apparently you didn't realize that I wasn't making any comparisons whatsoever. I'm not trying to minimize anybody's bad play. You should stop trying to minimize bad play across the line just because Foster was particularly bad. He was. But he wasn't alone. Our entire line has been sub par this year.

[ØrangeÇrush]

The only good thing about Foster is that he'll make sure to bring his lunch pail when we face Baltimore in the AFC championship game.

[Florida_Bronco]

Uhmm..... you realize you're comparing Foster, a first round 3 year starter, and an UDFA first year player in Pears....whats worse is that you're using Pears suckiness to minimize the amount of suckiness Foster has.


In all honesty, I know Foster has the talent, he just needs the motivation. I think his development took a huge hit when he injured the defensive player the last time we played the Bengals.

Just for the record, I don't think players should be cut any slack because of their lower draft status, they're NFL players and they need to be held to a high standard. Being a low round pick or UDFA doesn't give them an excuse to not execute.

[wolf754life]

FOSTER PLAN!

Foster was having a difficult time with awareness. He simply didn't know who to block on several occassions! That is not acceptable! Case in point go back in look at when the bengals brought blitz, several times he is caught blocking inside or just plain confused and not blocking anyone!

Foster at Gaurd, replacing Carlisle (who needs to leave to free agency this time) with Meadows at Tackle should be the plan next year. If Nalen Retires the line would look something like this.

Lepsis, Kuper, Hamilton, Foster, Meadows

with Pears, Meyers, Eslinger, free agent or draft pick T, backing up.

If Nalen stays then we obviously keep Hamilton at LG.

Kuper and Foster at G will boost the running game and improve our pocket against the bull rush. The line will not get pushed back as easily into the QB's face.

Nalen is all guts at this point, and gets driven back right into our QB. I love the guy, a sure fire hall of famer, but it may be time for him to take the severance and move on! Kuper is big enough to still get out on LB's inside and take on the bull rush. Hamilton at center will not be a significant drop off, only a slight one.

Whats gets coaches excited about with foster is his potential inside! He could really flourish, hopefully Denver will adress this, but if they don't another team will pick him up and play him at guard. He is quick and nimble for a big man, he struggles in space against speed rushers. Inside the players will be slower, and those situations will only play to his strengths. He is still agile enough to get up to backers, especially in the zone rush scheme, and will anchor against bull rushes against the pass. Again, he needs to improve his awareness of blitz!

Pears has gained an incredible amount of experience, making him an excellent backup at tackle, Eslinger will be able to back up either G or C, and Meyers is still a good option for backup duty. The team will need to add a pass blocking tackle either through free agency or the draft.

Lepsis coming back with Meadows will improve our pass blocking on the outside, and with a bigger back through free agency that should help blitz pick up as well.

The Offensive line as currently constructed is only slightly above average, but next year with some tinkering it has a chance to be a very much improved unit. Couple that with an Ahman Green or an exciting young rookie 1st day back and things could be back to normal in regards to our running game!

[TallyBronco]

Can Foster tackle? We're still looking for defensive tackles who can plug and chug.

[Liebs]

maybe he stinks because he talks to the media

[ØrangeÇrush]

Just for the record, I don't think players should be cut any slack because of their lower draft status, they're NFL players and they need to be held to a high standard. Being a low round pick or UDFA doesn't give them an excuse to not execute.

Just for the record, I think a first year player manning one of the most demanding positions in the NFL should be given a litle slack. He's performed better than expected given the situation.

[elsid13]

Foster is to big for own good, he need to lose 30 pounds if he stays at tackle

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Foster had another bad day, but I bleieve it was Carlisle that Peko was beating on the inside.

[Requiem]

That's what I saw too Big Guy, but Foster did play pretty bad too.

[bombquixote]

FOSTER PLAN!

Maybe moving Foster inside would help, I don't know. What I do know is that his a$$ won't be playing tackle next year. We'll have Pears on the right side and Lepsis back on the left.

[GonzoLays]

He was especially bad today. He wasn't alone by a long shot though. I miss Gibbs.

Never going to eat that crow are you?

When are you going to say you are wrong about George Foster? Never? The first step to recovery is admitting you were 100% wrong about Foster's abilities.

[Bronx33]

George (the pilon) foster had alot to do with plummers woes.

[enjolras]

Carlisle and Foster are both absolutely horrible. Horrendously bad..

Carlisle simply lacks the tools to be effective. Foster lacks the will and the discipline. Yesterday he was pulled out of his stance with the team on the 1-yard line. Luckily the refs called it offsides, but he certainly opened the door to a false start with that. The entire right side of the line MUST be overhauled if the Broncos are going to become a legitimate superbowl contender.

[cabronco]

Ya Carlisle got beat on a couple crucial plays too. But Foster takes the cake. I saw one guy just run right around him untouched to get to Jay. And the one play near the one yard line where Cutler got demolished by the Bengals whole D-line, Foster just stood there like a tool , turns his back on the play and walks a way. I thought it was really odd that not one of our lineman helped Cutler up after getting hammered. Nalen kind of walked near him coming off the field, but jeez didnt understand that.

[Kaylore]

Carlisle actually has played better than Hamilton this year, and he doesn't get blown up against bull rushers the way Hamilton does.

[Requiem]

I think Hamilton's play might be below par because he lost his partner in crime in Lepsis.

[Kaylore]

I think Hamilton's play might be below par because he lost his partner in crime in Lepsis.

That's a good point. Tackles can make guards look pretty good.

Speaking of which, guess who plays next to Cooper Carlisle.

[WoodMan]

The whole O-line was pretty bad yesterday IMO. They were confused on assignments, lacked fire, and messed up on individual blocks. I certainly didn't watch them all day, but focused when sacks were being replayed. Their D-line outplayed our O-line by a long shot. How they put it together for the 99 yard drive I will never know. But they did. Foster needs to be moved inside, and given a chance at guard. He is not getting it done at right tackle. When he is in pass protection, he doesn't seem to have any recognition of what is coming at him from the defense, and is always late to his man.

[Requiem]

That's a good point. Tackles can make guards look pretty good.

Speaking of which, guess who plays next to Cooper Carlisle.

I think the whole right side of the line needs to be revamped. Foster has played pretty poor for most of the season and Carlisle hasn't been "good" either. Hopefully Kuper Pooper and (Insert RT) here can help. I think Pears can move to RT. . . but we need to bring in another tackle via the draft. Depth needed.

[Barry Ramey]

Foster is just plain bad. Speed rushers just go around him almost at will. If Plummer and Cutler didn't have mobility, he'd be giving up a couple of sacks a game. He's just plain terrible and I question whether he really works kard enough as well. Meadows or Pears should be at RT next year and Foster gone.

[baja]

When Foster is run out of town that makes that draft a complete and total bust.

[bpc]

Probably the worst 1st round pick in the Shanahan era. Easily. I don't care if he has played more than Marcus Nash or Middlebrooks. He doesn't even look like he knows what he is doing out there. He is useless.

I can't wait to have Pears playing RT next year. That guy did very well against a much better player yesterday. Foster just needs to get cut outright. Next time we draft a OT with 6 or 7 career starts I'm going to shoot myself. Watching him is pathetic.

Merry Christmas George Foster, you single-handedly are the worst player on Denver... over the past two decades. F U.

[ward63]

I told my dad when we were watching the game yesterday that I hated him so much and somebody should shoot him and maybe Shanny would finally take him off the field.

[Man-Goblin]

Probably the worst 1st round pick in the Shanahan era. Easily. I don't care if he has played more than Marcus Nash or Middlebrooks. He doesn't even look like he knows what he is doing out there. He is useless.

I can't wait to have Pears playing RT next year. That guy did very well against a much better player yesterday. Foster just needs to get cut outright. Next time we draft a OT with 6 or 7 career starts I'm going to shoot myself. Watching him is pathetic.

Merry Christmas George Foster, you single-handedly are the worst player on Denver... over the past two decades. F U.

Damn...how do you really feel? ha.

Fact is, we may never see Foster play for the Broncos again. Considering Meadows suited up yesterday, I would assume he'll be healthy enough to play next week against SF and in the playoffs. We can all hope, at least.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Carlisle actually has played better than Hamilton this year,

A Doctor Pepper says the coaching staff does not agree.

[cabronco]

Foster is just plain bad. Speed rushers just go around him almost at will. If Plummer and Cutler didn't have mobility, he'd be giving up a couple of sacks a game. He's just plain terrible and I question whether he really works kard enough as well. Meadows or Pears should be at RT next year and Foster gone.

Thats a good point Barry, it looks to me like Foster is just kind of half heartedly going through the motions. It doesnt look like he's giving 100 % effort out there to me. Well hopefully he will be out of there soon !

[Play2win]

It just seems to me Foster has NO lateral movement. Quick feet... maybe, but no lateral movement.

[Garcia Bronco]

I told my dad when we were watching the game yesterday that I hated him so much and somebody should shoot him and maybe Shanny would finally take him off the field.

The funniest thing I heard all day was when somebody said. "Why can't George Foster get caught with a bunch of drugs and 10 guns."

[DBroncos4life]

who here thinks that cheap shot changed his career????

[cutthemdown]

I don't understand really he looked promising at the start of his career. The line needs some influx because our LT is a ? and the center is aged. Hmilton looks really good though!!!!. See end it with a positive. Go Broncos!!!!

[-Slap-]

In all honesty, I know Foster has the talent, he just needs the motivation. I think his development took a huge hit when he injured the defensive player the last time we played the Bengals.

This has crossed my mind a few times as well. He seemed to lose a lot of aggressiveness in the aftermath of that play and the resulting criticism.

I liked the pick at the time, even if the lack of college experience was a concern. I definitely preferred him to skinny-assed Kwame Harris, although, Harris is starting in Frisco now, essentially by default.

Maybe he has a future at guard, but probably not in our scheme.

[Bronx33]

If the OL has a leader (who is it?)

[-Slap-]

Carlisle actually has played better than Hamilton this year, and he doesn't get blown up against bull rushers the way Hamilton does.

No way. I agree with you Hamilton gets completely ragdolled way more than is acceptable, but he's had a better season than Carlisle.

[baja]

It just seems to me Foster has NO lateral movement. Quick feet... maybe, but no lateral movement.

I think his problem is he is stupid....

You can't coach awareness.

[Kaylore]

No way. I agree with you Hamilton gets completely ragdolled way more than is acceptable, but he's had a better season than Carlisle.

A Doctor Pepper says the coaching staff does not agree.

You're on! I'd love to know where the staff is at on this. Hamilton gets pushed around the most of all the linemen. Carlisle doesn't give very much ground in pass protection. In the run game he's not much better and Hamilton doesn't have to play next to George Foster every play.

What bothered me the most about this was that during the game, while I was wondering aloud if Foster was going to get our star QB injured, Shanahan didn't make the switch even though Meadows practiced all week. If you go back and look at Meadows' play, it's an obvious upgrade. So I just don't get what was going on.

The same applies for Kuper. We've all seen how good he is, but Carlisle has played well enough to keep him riding the pine all season. Maybe it's because they'd rather have the veteran presence next to captain sieve, but I happen to think it's because Carlisle is playing well enough to keep his job.

[Dedhed]

George (the pilon) foster had alot to do with plummers woes.

Not as much as PLummer did.

[OrangeShadow]

he defies the laws of physics. He sucks and blows at the same time

[Dedhed]

Maybe moving Foster inside would help, I don't know. What I do know is that his a$$ won't be playing tackle next year. We'll have Pears on the right side and Lepsis back on the left.

I'm not sure if Lepsis will be back at LT. I think that Pears has done a very nice job of stepping into a difficult spot, and he fits the mold of a franchise LT better than Lepsis. Asking Pears to make the switch might be more difficult then having Lepsis re-adjust to the position he's played for the majority of his career. There are also questions about how healthy Lepsis is going to be.

I think the line is due for a rehaul. Carlisle is gone, to be replaced by Kuper (from what I've seen). I like this lineup myself:

LT-Pears LG-Hamilton C-Nalen (Eslinger) RG-Kuper RT-Lepsis

[Traveler]

The same applies for Kuper. We've all seen how good he is, but Carlisle has played well enough to keep him riding the pine all season. Maybe it's because they'd rather have the veteran presence next to captain sieve, but I happen to think it's because Carlisle is playing well enough to keep his job.

Khan, I really hope Kuper turns out to be a good one. You are hitching yourself to Kuper the way TJ did to Foster. Hope the results are different because if Kuper is a bust you're never going to hear the end of it.

That said, I'm inclined to think Kuper will be a nice addition to the OL. I also think the team should try Foster at Guard before sending him packing.

[Rock Chalk]

Very good point. That tough old drill sargent would whip George into shape or at least cuss him out.....LOL

Wrong, Gibbs would have put a ****ing walk on scrub on the team rather than let Foster play one more down.

Of all the Taco predictions, this one was the absolute worst. And thats saying something.

[Rock Chalk]

I'm not sure if Lepsis will be back at LT. I think that Pears has done a very nice job of stepping into a difficult spot, and he fits the mold of a franchise LT better than Lepsis. Asking Pears to make the switch might be more difficult then having Lepsis re-adjust to the position he's played for the majority of his career. There are also questions about how healthy Lepsis is going to be.

I think the line is due for a rehaul. Carlisle is gone, to be replaced by Kuper (from what I've seen). I like this lineup myself:

LT-Pears LG-Hamilton C-Nalen (Eslinger) RG-Kuper RT-Lepsis

You're crazy. Pears has been OK but only because he has had TE help most of the time. Lepsis NEVER needed TE help and he, IMO, was one of the top 5 LTs in the game.

[youcandoit1687]

If the OL has a leader (who is it?)


well we never hear from them making it hard to decide but my guess is that its probably nalen and/or lepsis.

[youcandoit1687]

did anybody else see foster get beat by two defenders in one play. it was when cutler got sacked at like our own one on third down. first he let in like an outside blitzer then turns his head, takes a few steps inside and gets beat by peko. i was in awe of that play. thats like striking out in two pitches.

[Dean]

[/U][/U]Carlisle actually has played better than Hamilton this year, and he doesn't get blown up against bull rushers the way Hamilton does.

He didn't yesterday. The defensive tackle with the pony tail out the back of his helmet. He beat Carlisle outside, inside, and with a straight bull rush.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I told my dad when we were watching the game yesterday that I hated him so much and somebody should shoot him...
Nice way to talk to your dad... ;D

Foster is beyond horrible. He's comedic.

[bpc]

I can't imagine what it would be like to have an absolute ass kicker on the line. Its been so long since we've had a young dominant player. We are chomping at the bit to get a slightly better, more consistent, injury prone Adam Meadows back in the lineup. Maybe we should look harder at drafting an offensive lineman first.

Hamilton will be best when he can play center. Cooper Carlisle gets by on technique and not much talent. When a better player comes along, we usually see what Cooper we will most likely have.

We need to revamp the whole side of our line this offseason. I want Kuper in there to actually fight and road grade and I want a bigger Pears over there playing consistently like he has while still getting better. Foster is a joke, Pears actually looks light years better than him. Is there any wonder why we didn't switch George when Lepsis went down?

[Florida_Bronco]

We are chomping at the bit to get a slightly better, more consistent, injury prone Adam Meadows back in the lineup.

Do you label every player who suffers an injury to be "injury prone" ???

[Kaylore]

Khan, I really hope Kuper turns out to be a good one. You are hitching yourself to Kuper the way TJ did to Foster. Hope the results are different because if Kuper is a bust you're never going to hear the end of it.

That said, I'm inclined to think Kuper will be a nice addition to the OL. I also think the team should try Foster at Guard before sending him packing.

I can't speak for Foster. I wasn't in the country when we got him and didn't have a chance to see him in preseason games. I don't know what Taco saw in him to suggest that he has been or is great, but he argued with me that he was "better than I was giving him credit for" right up until his benching.

I have definitely been wrong before. I said Walls was better than Herndon. I said Lelie was going to be the number one receiver by the end of '05. I thought Charlie Adams would be cut at the beginning of last season and he wasn't. I've been wrong and admitted as much.

If it seems that I'm over-pimping Kuper, it's because he's my adopt-a-bronco and I think it's what every self-respecting parent should be doing. :) I do think he's going to be very good, though.

To be fair, I've been right on quite a few guys this year (Mike Bell, Vince Young, Cutler, Marshal, Dumervil for example) so it's not like I'm striking out all the time.

I'm not someone that is going to defend someone playing poorly just because I defended them before. Plummer is a good example of this. '05 Plummer was excellent. '06 Plummer wasn't. If we had both on the team at the same time I would pimping one and ripping the other. I do have favorites that might take me awhile to change my mind on, but for me it's always been a desire to see the best guy on the field.

[Kaylore]

Ok, you guys asked for it! I'm going to spend the next couple hours breaking down the line play of the Bengals game. I'll post what happened every snap and hoe each player responded.

[Popps]

Foster sucks. But, in reality... he's probably no less productive than our defensive linemen. It's just more obvious to the average fan when he's not doing his job. We've got 3 or 4 guys standing up front doing absolutely nothing on 95% of our defensive snaps. Hell, I'd bet that even Foster does his job on a more regular basis than Myers or Lang.

In any case, it's got to be all about the trenches this off-season. But, that's not really a new thing.

[Man-Goblin]

In any case, it's got to be all about the trenches this off-season. But, that's not really a new thing.

Agreed. A boost on the lines is necessary more than anything on this team, although I do think the interior OL is set for a while with a very good young nucleus (Kuper, Myers, Eslinger [remember him?] and Hamilton). Lepsis and Nalen are still very good to great players (assume Lepsis can come back from the knee injury), but the fact remains that both of them are on the wrong side of the big 3-0.

[Bronx33]

Watching george play is like watching him try to catch 12 chickens in a barnyard.

[listopencil]

We need some road construction.

[azbroncfan]

But shouldn't of Foster been protecting the blind side by now Taco?

He was drafted to be a left tackle...I said he would never be one.

But you also said he would be a good RT and he sucks either way you slice it.

[DBroncos4life]

bob should try out for us. No way he lets a dude get past him.

[Kaylore]

Foster sucks. But, in reality... he's probably no less productive than our defensive linemen. It's just more obvious to the average fan when he's not doing his job. We've got 3 or 4 guys standing up front doing absolutely nothing on 95% of our defensive snaps. Hell, I'd bet that even Foster does his job on a more regular basis than Myers or Lang.
.
That's really not true. Lang has played better for us this year than Pryce did last year. Dumervil and Ekuban are acutally pretty good. We just don't have a lot of interior line push and we're too small.

[DBroncos4life]

That's really not true. Lang has played better for us this year than Pryce did last year. Dumervil and Ekuban are acutally pretty good. We just don't have a lot of interior line push and we're too small.

Thats what Ive been trying to say!!! 25 out of 31 sacks have been from our ends.

[Bronco Billy]

Ernster did a nice job throwing his body into someone on that one tackle. Maybe we could throw him in at RT?

[ward63]

Nice way to talk to your dad... ;D

Foster is beyond horrible. He's comedic.

My dad and I joke around bout stuff all the time. Foster is easily my most(and only) hated Bronco.

[ZONA]

no fears - I can see Pears playing that right side next year when Lepsis returns. Foster is history.

[Kaylore]

By the way, I'm into the third quarter and Cooper Carlisle did not get "owned". He was matched up one on one with that defensive tackle most of the game and generally held his own. When I post what I've compiled I'd like some people with Tivo to go back and look at what I'm talking about. Foster actually played worse than I thought, if that's possible.

[youcandoit1687]

haha i didnt tape this game as it wasnt on TV here but watching the last three games it is just painful to watch him. i hardly ever bad mouth the broncos but i cant even sugarcoat this, FOSTER SUCKS. it is amazing how consistently he messes up. youd think that he could atleast get in the way and make the defender take a little longer route around him. ugh so frustrating.

[sgbfan]

Thats what Ive been trying to say!!! 25 out of 31 sacks have been from our ends.

I don't know how many times I have seen the Ends get good pressure, then the quarterback steps up into a wide open pocket and the ends have no chance. I assume that is the reason why Mark Anderson has done so well for the Bears. I think Dumerville is just as good if not better, just no inside help. Good tackles can make your ends look pretty good a/la Trevor Pryce with Baltimore. I think a tackle is much more important in this draft than end for that reason. I think Lang, Ekuban and Dumerville do a good job for us next year with a good tackle. It also opens it up for our linebackers to get to the RB for the run.

With that said, back to Foster. HE SUCKS.

[Odysseus]

Foster actually played worse than I thought, if that's possible.

I looked at tape and came up with the same conviction. I thought it was bad but it was actually DAYUM!

Taco is right. The Broncos need to look at whose coaching the offensive line and see what the problems there are.

[Kaylore]

I looked at tape and came up with the same conviction. I thought it was bad but it was actually DAYUM!

Taco is right. The Broncos need to look at whose coaching the offensive line and see what the problems there are.

Actually the rest of the line did decent considering. Not far behind in mediocrity is Pears, but at least he has an excuse and a lot of his woes are slobby technique and mental errors.

[Kaylore]

I've looked at every single offensive snap at least three times, with particular attention to the offensive line now, so if you disagree with me you can suck it! :giggle:

I was going to do a play by play breakdown but after taking notes on that third quarter 99 yard drive (it was 14 plays) I decided I only have the constitution for a general break down on each lineman's play.

First let me say that their defensive tackles played very well. They really had a bead on Jay's snap count and if you watch they were beating our men off the ball a lot of the time.

Pears was often matched up one on one with his guy. Hamilton and Nalen double teamed the inside players. Carlisle was left alone virtually the entire game and Foster played two thirds of the game with help from Alexander.

I will list them worst to first. Here's how they did:


1. George Foster. Think he did poorly? Go back and watch him again. You will have new respect for Cutler and our running backs. He was just awful all game. He had exactly two plays where he played well, six plays where he was sufficient and the rest he was either below average or just beat like a drum.

In the rushing attack Foster never gets any push. If you have a DVR go to any run play he is on and pause it right as the line engages the defenders. The distance upfield that each lineman has moved is a good indication of how they are doing and how strong they are. Foster is usually still standing at the line of scrimmage and the defensive lineman usually is free in a matter of seconds.

In the pass game he was probably the worst I've seen him play. He beat regularly and often without even initiating contact at all. What pissed me off the most was the number of times that he just gives up and doesn't even try to peel back and chip the guy to protect his quarter-back.

On the play in the first quarter where Cutler is sacked, and it was Carlisle's guy (Peko) making the sack. The problem was actually Foster and Cutler. Foster is beat immediately off the line and Cutler should run right but instead runs up into the pocket where the defender is poking through.

The roll out pass to Kircus is even more impressive because Foster is beat immediately and just lets him go and Stephen Alexander leaves his blocking assignment to run and try and do something while Foster slows to a jog. The guy was in Cutler's face and he throws over his shoulder on the run with a bearing down on him and completes it to Kircus in a microscopic window.

He also is terrible at cut blocking. Not a single one of his cuts neutralized the defender. Not a one. He usually makes a sissy dive at the ground and every time the defender either just ran around or pushed him down and stepped over him. It was one of the most pathetic things I saw because he would just sit there and slowly get up before the whistle blew.

There is play after play after play that I have to back up what I'm saying, and if I need to I'll start listing them. There is even a play where Foster blows his assignment and Cooper Carlisle sees it and it results in a blown up play and you can see Carlisle do a (WTF?) look and then start laying into Foster. That's on the second play of the fifth drive, for those who want to look. The bottom line is it was on par with Robert Gallery level suckage.

2. Pears. His technique is sloppy and he makes mental errors. He gets pushed around almost as much as Foster. He missed his assignment outright thee times. In the run game he is the second worst at moving his target off the line.

When a bigger guy gets matched up on him he struggles to keep the play in front of him. He also has a lot of trouble of getting down field and engaging his blocks when he's in space.

One thing he does do well is work well with Hamilton and they do the handoff very well. Another is he is pretty good on the blitz. On virtually all of the heavy blitzes, Pears picked up the right guy and either leaving the furthest from the QB to go free or the one that is easiest for the back to take.

When a defender gets over his left shoulder it's usually over and I'm surprised that he wasn't called for holding the way he was struggling. It should be worth noting that he is a rookie and is matching up against what is usually the best player on defensive line and in many cases one of the best players on a team.

3. Hamilton. Ok he's better than I thought but Carlisle is still better and I challenge anyone here to prove otherwise! ;D

He is the best in space. He engages his blocks and holds them. I thin he might be the fastest too because he is really quick getting up the field. He doesn't push them around very much, but he is good and maintaining his blocks and keeping them in front of him.

He also has some of the best angles and his technique is pretty good. He was usually paired with Nalen on all the inside guys. Nalen and Hamilton really started dominating the line by the third quarter. Hamilton also had the only two pancakes of the game! :)

His weakness is in pass protection and singled up against a good bull-rusher he just can't keep his feet underneath him and he is usually obliterated. That didn't really happen in this game. In fact by the end of the third, with the exception of Foster, we were doing what we wanted with their line and they were visibly winded. Since he had help most of the game and has trouble in pass protection I put him next.

4. Nalen. He is still very sound and makes some nasty blocks now and again, but he is on borrowed time. He gets pushed around on a few plays and had trouble washing the line down like he used to. This means using the lateral momentum to "encourage" the defender to play side so that the cutback appears.

He is still very quick and his snap-to-attack speed was impressive. He is the the lineman with the fewest weaknesses, but his big strengths are fading and it's showing a little. I don't think he's done, but he's not the nails of old.

If you want to see a really sweet play, watch him on the eighth play of that 99 yard drive. It looks like he picks up John Thornton and throws him to the side. I mean it's absolute ownage and Thornton doesn't even have the gonads to say anything about it.:giggle:

5. Cooper Carlisle. Yes, he played the best. Why? Because he was the only one that was asked to go one-on-one virtually the entire game.

There were a few here who suggested that he got pushed around. First there were two plays where he got beat and one of them wasn't even his fault, it was Foster's.

He gets the deepest in the rushing attack. He often drives his guy seven yards up field. He was the best at standing his guy up square and keeping the play in front of him. He also yields very little ground pass protection. There were a few plays where he struggled, but he was never beat outright and again I need to stress that he was matched up with a guy one-on-one.

Is the guy all-world? Now, but given what he was asked to do and who he had to play next to I was very impressed.

Then again, he is in a contract year. :rofl:

[Odysseus]

I hear good and bad about Hamilton. This has been an area that has run hot and cold with the Broncos ever since Gibbs left. I'm looking forward to seeing what they do in the off season.

I remember the play you were talking about. It was SWEEEET.

[Kaylore]

I hear good and bad about Hamilton. This has been an area that has run hot and cold with the Broncos ever since Gibbs left. I'm looking forward to seeing what they do in the off season.

I remember the play you were talking about. It was SWEEEET.

I think I should mention that there is a big gap between the top three and the bottom two. And the top three are all very closely clustered together. That the scheme was designed to let Carlisle go mono e mono I think says a lot about what the staff thinks of him.

[sgbfan]

I've been paying most of my attention to Foster. One play, he must not have known what was going on. It was the first quick out pass to Javon. He blocked his guy toward the outside (the guy made the tackle). He stood him up and put himself back a few feet. He could have let the guy go by him, and been in position to get in the way of another tackle. Javon had no chance on the play.

On Tatum's fumble, he had a perfect chance to cut-block the guy who stripped him. He would have busted a HUGE run if he could have gotten by that hairy DT.

[Taco John]

Cooper Carlisle got pushed around. George Foster had, I think, the worst game I've seen from a tackle in a long time. Pears looked slow. Hamilton, I thought looked the best. Nails was nails: Solid for the most part. Not a liability, but not dominant.

The entire line looks half asleep half the time.

[ZachKC]

Was talk of Nalen retiring after this year out of left field? Did I imagine that?

[Taco John]

On the play in the first quarter where Cutler is sacked, and it was Carlisle's guy (Peko) making the sack. The problem was actually Foster and Cutler. Foster is beat immediately off the line and Cutler should run right but instead runs up into the pocket where the defender is poking through.


I think blaming Foster and Cutler for Cooper's guy beating him is questionable at best. And all this talk about Cooper being the only guy to go one-on-one the entire game... He's up against a rookie. God help us if our veteran right tackle needs help double-teaming a fourth round rookie DT.

I realize this thread is about Foster, and he deserves to be singled out for bad play. We need to do something about him, whether that's move him inside or cut him outright. He's got the talent, but he doesn't appear to have the drive to put it all together during the game.

[Kaylore]

Cooper Carlisle got pushed around.
On which play?

George Foster had, I think, the worst game I've seen from a tackle in a long time.
Definitely.

Pears looked slow.
He didn't move around very much because he was usually engaged with a defender. He doesn't get up field very often, and he gets beat around the edge sometimes.

Hamilton, I thought looked the best.
He was good but he was mostly doing double teams with Nalen so it's easy to look good doing that, though he had the only two pancakes I saw in the game and they were pretty awesome. :D

Nails was nails: Solid for the most part. Not a liability, but not dominant.
He was very good. Remember average for him his excellent for others. There were a few plays he really did dominate, but for the most part he was pretty solid.

The entire line looks half asleep half the time.
No. They really were trying. The problem is that the Bengals have the type of defensive line we struggle against: Big, fat and mean. They were getting physically beat-out early but as the game wore on and the Bengals fat-ass D-line got tired we were owning them....except for Foster.

Though I will say during that third quarter drive Foster only had two plays he didn't get blown up and on a 14 play series that's really impressive for him.

ROFL!

[Kaylore]

I think blaming Foster and Cutler for Cooper's guy beating him is questionable at best. And all this talk about Cooper being the only guy to go one-on-one the entire game... He's up against a rookie. God help us if our veteran right tackle needs help double-teaming a fourth round rookie DT.

I realize this thread is about Foster, and he deserves to be singled out for bad play. We need to do something about him, whether that's move him inside or cut him outright. He's got the talent, but he doesn't appear to have the drive to put it all together during the game.

Watch the play again Taco. If Jay is allowed to complete his drop back, There is more than enough pocket there for him to complete his throw and Carlisle isn't getting pushed around.

There are many occasions where the sack is all on the QB and this one is on Cutler partly (though mostly Foster for getting beat in the first place).

Foster gets beat very badly on that play and Jay steps up into the rush and is sacked. Carlisle wasn't getting beat, Jay should have rolled out the gap that was vacated by a sorely beaten Foster. Watch it again and you'll see what I'm talking about. He panicked a bit and just tried to run and ran into the rush.

[Taco John]

The problem is that the Bengals have the type of defensive line we struggle against: Big, fat and mean.


That's one thing I've noticed. Our oline does a lot better against the thin and friendly defensive lines in this league...

[Taco John]

I haven't gotten a chance to rewatch the game yet, and with the shortened work week, probably wont be able to until after it doesn't matter anymore... I'm just commenting from the mental notes I made as I watched the game. I remember seeing Peko a lot more than I cared to. I remember swearing at Foster and Pears a lot. I remember thinking that the entire line didn't look like they were prepared for this game.

[Kaylore]

That's one thing I've noticed. Our oline does a lot better against the thin and friendly defensive lines in this league...
I know you're poking fun, but not every defensive linemen is a big fatass. We've been excellent against a 3-4 in pass protection this year and in that scheme, aside from the nose tackle, the rushers tend to be more athletic and fast than giant fat bodies like the Bengals use. Even the Tackles on the Jags, Stroud and Hendersen, aren't the man beasts of lard that we saw Sunday afternoon. They tried to beat us with mass and it worked for awhile.

[Kaylore]

I haven't gotten a chance to rewatch the game yet, and with the shortened work week, probably wont be able to until after it doesn't matter anymore... I'm just commenting from the mental notes I made as I watched the game. I remember seeing Peko a lot more than I cared to. I remember swearing at Foster and Pears a lot. I remember thinking that the entire line didn't look like they were prepared for this game.

I'll admit I was worried too. There were more than a couple things I didn't like, like why we kept Jay under center so much that first half after he was getting molested repeatedly and why Mustard didn't play.

As the game wore on their fatness made it harder for them and you'll recall in the third and fourth quarter how effective we were at giving Jay room and running the ball for big gains. They just got worn down. The upside to big size is they can really play physical and are hart to move around much but the disadvantage is they wear down and if you're past them there isn't a good chance they will run you down from behind.

[Taco John]

I know you're poking fun, but not every defensive linemen is a big fatass. We've been excellent against a 3-4 in pass protection this year and in that scheme, aside from the nose tackle, the rushers tend to be more athletic and fast than giant fat bodies like the Bengals use. Even the Tackles on the Jags, Stroud and Hendersen, aren't the man beasts of lard that we saw Sunday afternoon. They tried to beat us with mass and it worked for awhile.

The point is, we used to dominate those kind of lines. You're referring to them now as a weak point for us. Look at our first Superbowl win for the perfect example. It use to be, we'd have lines like that gasping for air by outmaneuvering them the entire game and by the time the fourth quarter rolled around they'd be out of gas. And we'd do plenty of punching them in the mouth with a hammer for a fullback, blowing open cutback lanes.

But I'm straying from the subject. This thread is about bashing Foster, and he surely deserves it.

[Natedogg]

Kaylore. Thanks for the analysis man. I love it. Its what makes the Mane the best site on the net.

[Kaylore]

The point is, we used to dominate those kind of lines. You're referring to them now as a weak point for us. Look at our first Superbowl win for the perfect example. It use to be, we'd have lines like that gasping for air by outmaneuvering them the entire game and by the time the fourth quarter rolled around they'd be out of gas. And we'd do plenty of punching them in the mouth with a hammer for a fullback, blowing open cutback lanes.

But I'm straying from the subject. This thread is about bashing Foster, and he surely deserves it.

Well to tie it back around...we did gash them like we used to: In the second half after they wore down. Maybe the reason we're not gashing those guys as much right off is poor tackle play from guys like George Foster.

[sgbfan]

I feel bad for bashing the guy, although he deserves it. I just watched the big Tatum run. Foster did nothing. It was mostly due to a Marshall block, a rod smith block, and Tatum's pure speed. He was so excited at the end of the play. He reminded me of a big teddy bear.

[footstepsfrom#27]

1. George Foster. Think he did poorly? Go back and watch him again. You will have new respect for Cutler and our running backs. He was just awful all game. He had exactly two plays where he played well, six plays where he was sufficient and the rest he was either below average or just beat like a drum.

In the rushing attack Foster never gets any push. If you have a DVR go to any run play he is on and pause it right as the line engages the defenders. The distance upfield that each lineman has moved is a good indication of how they are doing and how strong they are. Foster is usually still standing at the line of scrimmage and the defensive lineman usually is free in a matter of seconds.

In the pass game he was probably the worst I've seen him play. He beat regularly and often without even initiating contact at all. What pissed me off the most was the number of times that he just gives up and doesn't even try to peel back and chip the guy to protect his quarter-back.

On the play in the first quarter where Cutler is sacked, and it was Carlisle's guy (Peko) making the sack. The problem was actually Foster and Cutler. Foster is beat immediately off the line and Cutler should run right but instead runs up into the pocket where the defender is poking through.

The roll out pass to Kircus is even more impressive because Foster is beat immediately and just lets him go and Stephen Alexander leaves his blocking assignment to run and try and do something while Foster slows to a jog. The guy was in Cutler's face and he throws over his shoulder on the run with a bearing down on him and completes it to Kircus in a microscopic window.

He also is terrible at cut blocking. Not a single one of his cuts neutralized the defender. Not a one. He usually makes a sissy dive at the ground and every time the defender either just ran around or pushed him down and stepped over him. It was one of the most pathetic things I saw because he would just sit there and slowly get up before the whistle blew.

There is play after play after play that I have to back up what I'm saying, and if I need to I'll start listing them. There is even a play where Foster blows his assignment and Cooper Carlisle sees it and it results in a blown up play and you can see Carlisle do a (WTF?) look and then start laying into Foster. That's on the second play of the fifth drive, for those who want to look. The bottom line is it was on par with Robert Gallery level suckage.
I did what you did, watch the entire game and run the DVR back and forth in slo-mo watching just Foster. I don't have the stomach or the time to do that with all of them but I did it with him. I concur completely with everything you said Kaylore. This guy is without doubt the biggest slug of a player I've EVER seen. It's disgraceful he's drawing a paycheck. He ought to be wearing a ski mask when he cashes the thing. If I were Shanny, I'd throw his sorry butt off the field and tell him to catch his own flight home. I don't care if we play Chad Mustard at OT in his place...literally ANYTHING would be an improvement. Where's Claudie Minor these days? He's what...?...60? He'd be better than this idiot. He looks like he's not even making a pretense of trying to fake it. I'm willing to bet I could find several dozen high school OT's in the state of Texas that could beat this clown out. The cut blocks had me in stitches. He can't even fall down in somebody's way. I saw half a dozen pass plays where I swear it was tough to tell if he even got a hand on his man.

Where is Cornell Green, and what on God's green earth possessed Shanny to cut him over this fat lump of crap? I'm sure he was no great shakes either but this dude is just stealing money. After watching his pathetic performance on Sunday, I'm ready to have Jake go back in there just to make sure we don't lose Jay for next season with a shoulder injury or something. Whatever they're paying this clown, it's way to much...minimum wage would be to much.

[WoodMan]

That's one thing I've noticed. Our oline does a lot better against the thin and friendly defensive lines in this league...
LOL

[Odysseus]

Cooper Carlisle got pushed around. George Foster had, I think, the worst game I've seen from a tackle in a long time. Pears looked slow. Hamilton, I thought looked the best. Nails was nails: Solid for the most part. Not a liability, but not dominant.

The entire line looks half asleep half the time.

I think both the Bengals and Broncos lines fell asleep. The Broncos look really bad on both sides of the ball but they seem to be able to snap it together every other play.

[Arkansas Bronco]

In my oppinion foster isnt fast enough to play Tackle. And I have always though Cooper is a waste of a roster spot, yes people can disagree with it but I dont ever see him in the game a plus for our OL. Basicly our entire right side is week and hopefuly Kuper gets to step in and take over the RG job next year with Pears taking over the RT spot.

[want2bAbronco2]

I'm not sure if Lepsis will be back at LT. I think that Pears has done a very nice job of stepping into a difficult spot, and he fits the mold of a franchise LT better than Lepsis. Asking Pears to make the switch might be more difficult then having Lepsis re-adjust to the position he's played for the majority of his career. There are also questions about how healthy Lepsis is going to be.

I think the line is due for a rehaul. Carlisle is gone, to be replaced by Kuper (from what I've seen). I like this lineup myself:

LT-Pears LG-Hamilton C-Nalen (Eslinger) RG-Kuper RT-Lepsis

duh, i didn't even think of putting lepsis back to his rt spot. that makes even more sense then pears to rt! then draft a good lt and rt for back ups!

[TallyBronco]

I've looked at every single offensive snap at least three times, with particular attention to the offensive line now, so if you disagree with me you can suck it! :giggle:

I was going to do a play by play breakdown but after taking notes on that third quarter 99 yard drive (it was 14 plays) I decided I only have the constitution for a general break down on each lineman's play.


Thanks for the report! This sort of analysis in review is what keeps me here. My question to you is, why does Shanahan keep playing him? Flopper is playing far worse than Plummer did, relative to their positions, yet he's still starting.

I can only guess that Shanahan decided to go with Flopper one more game in order to have Meadows completely healed for a playoff run, hoping that one more game with Flopper wouldn't cost him the season.

[elsid13]

I much rather have Lepsis guarding Cutler blind side then Pears. Lepsis has been one of the top 10 LT in the league the last couple of years.

Foster needs someone riding his ass and make him lose freaking weight, we have fat man on the line. Which is no-no

[Barry Ramey]

Come to think of it, the best runs the Broncos have had for the most part this year have been either right up the middle or to their left. They don't seem to get much on the ground going to their right. Coincidence?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Come to think of it, the best runs the Broncos have had for the most part this year have been either right up the middle or to their left. They don't seem to get much on the ground going to their right. Coincidence?

No. It was the same last year. Right handed team (QB) should run right 66%. Last year it was the opposite. About the only time they gain yards to the right is when Hamilton and/or Nalen pull to help out Carlisle.

[Kaylore]

Come to think of it, the best runs the Broncos have had for the most part this year have been either right up the middle or to their left. They don't seem to get much on the ground going to their right. Coincidence?

You're very observant. We ran exactly zero runs to the right side of the line in the second half. I think we had two in the first half.

[dsmoot]

Khan, I really hope Kuper turns out to be a good one. You are hitching yourself to Kuper the way TJ did to Foster. Hope the results are different because if Kuper is a bust you're never going to hear the end of it.

That said, I'm inclined to think Kuper will be a nice addition to the OL. I also think the team should try Foster at Guard before sending him packing.

This is a point I have made many times here. We hitch our wagon to guys who only showed us something in preseason. I want to get excited about OL that actually make the active list not rookies who we can't even compare to Foster, etc. Some of you guys hang your hat on these guys like it is fact, it ISN'T.

Lets see them play.

[dsmoot]

In my oppinion foster isnt fast enough to play Tackle. And I have always though Cooper is a waste of a roster spot, yes people can disagree with it but I dont ever see him in the game a plus for our OL. Basicly our entire right side is week and hopefuly Kuper gets to step in and take over the RG job next year with Pears taking over the RT spot.

I don't think Cooper is a waste of a roster spot, I just don't know if he is starting material. We always need versatile linemen that have playing experience as backups.

[Arkansas Bronco]

I don't think Cooper is a waste of a roster spot, I just don't know if he is starting material. We always need versatile linemen that have playing experience as backups.

Another time I got carried away sure he may be a decent back up but seeing him start is definatly not good.

[broncocalijohn]

I was at the game today, and despite what one of the poll answers suggests, Foster really isn't fat at all. He's tall, leaner than what I thought he'd be, and definitely muscular. He's a true beast to look at on the field, even next to other enormous guys. What a waste.


Compared to our light O line, he is our token ............. fat guy. Everyone needs one and George is ours. Is he even in there to pull? Or is his job to have the run on his side so he just moves forward?

[broncsyanks]

for the 1st time i really paid attention to this. he really blew!! cincy game was horrible

[Arkansas Bronco]

After rewatching it last night on replay I seen a couple times that both Foster and Cooper both got beat on the same play. Real hard to pass when you have 2 free defenders charging you.

[Kaylore]

Well Foster, thanks for the concussion on Cutler you POS. And thanks for leaving him in there all game, Shanahan. Next time we should just hit Cutler upside the head with a mallet ourselves and save the d-line the trouble of actually burning calories.