Peyton pointing fingers again.

[Clockwork Orange]

Just saw his postgame quotes on ESPNNews. This time he's throwing the Colts defense under the bus.

"It is what it is, we are what we are. It's not like basketball where guys can play both sides of the ball, you can only control when you're out there. When you're out there, your job is to score points. We needed to score more points today."

Yep, that's a guy whose teammates are ready to run through a wall for him. Whether it's true or not, it isn't Manning's place to criticize his teammates publicly.

[Man-Goblin]

:rofl:

[Atlas]

Well, If Manning wants to play both ways they should line him up at DT so he can stop the run.

[NFLBRONCO]

Just saw his postgame quotes on ESPNNews. This time he's throwing the Colts defense under the bus.

"It is what it is, we are what we are. It's not like basketball where guys can play both sides of the ball, you can only control when you're out there. When you're out there, your job is to score points. We needed to score more points today."

Yep, that's a guy whose teammates are ready to run through a wall for him. Whether it's true or not, it isn't Manning's place to criticize his teammates publicly.

Great way to reach sb blame your teammates near playoffs classy guy. Can't wait til he blames Dungy.

[HitEmCold]

Peyton is the best whiner in the league.

[GonzoLays]

Naa, I think you are reading too much into it. In this day of hyper media, everybody gets a chance to hear every word spoken by an athlete. Sometimes they trip up.

Peyton is a competitor. "Show me a good loser and I will show you a loser."

The great ones always have that competitive edge which makes for some strong soundbites. Could he have worded what he said better? Sure he could. But who cares at this point. If everybody on the Colts took the game as seriously as Peyton Manning, they wouldn't be having these problems.

Michael Jordan and Larry Bird were probably two of the worst teammates --verbally -- anyone could ever have. I don't hear about Peyton punching out a teammate in practice (Michael Jordon/Will Perdue) or making fun of someone's stuttering problem (Larry Bird/Bill Walton) like those guys did.

When you are operating on another level, you usually don't have time for pleasantries when people keep messing up.

[Bronx33]

It was only matter of time.....

[usedupbraids]

Well, If Manning wants to play both ways they should line him up at DT so he can stop the run.

LMAO Hilarious! Hilarious!

[Clockwork Orange]

Naa, I think you are reading too much into it. In this day of hyper media, everybody gets a chance to hear every word spoken by an athlete. Sometimes they trip up.

Peyton is a competitor. "Show me a good loser and I will show you a loser."

The great ones always have that competitive edge which makes for some strong soundbites. Could he have worded what he said better? Sure he could. But who cares at this point. If everybody on the Colts took the game as seriously as Peyton Manning, they wouldn't be having these problems.

Michael Jordan and Larry Bird were probably two of the worst teammates --verbally -- anyone could ever have. I don't hear about Peyton punching out a teammate in practice (Michael Jordon/Will Perdue) or making fun of someone's stuttering problem (Larry Bird/Bill Walton) like those guys did.

When you are operating on another level, you usually don't have time for pleasantries when people keep messing up.

Bull****.

Elway & Montana never ripped teammates, even when they had every right to.

You want to know who was well known for glaring at receivers who dared to drop a pass, though?

http://rsapia.com/sports/dan_marino.jpg

The parallels between the two continue......and likely will for the rest of Manning's career.

[GonzoLays]

Bull****.

Elway & Montana never ripped teammates, even when they had every right to.

You want to know who was well known for glaring at receivers who dared to drop a pass, though?

http://rsapia.com/sports/dan_marino.jpg

The parallels between the two continue......and likely will for the rest of Manning's career.

I do not see the parallels between a coke head and the most serious football player on the planet.

When you work as hard as Peyton Manning does, I see no reason why he cannot rip into his teammates for poor play like a coach would with his team.

If there is one teammate who has earned the right to call out his teammates in professional sports, its Peyton Manning.

Like John Madden said, "he is half coach/half player."

And you know what? There is something endearing about a player who doesn't try to come across as somebody they are not (Brett Favre). Peyton Manning bitches. He wants to win so bad, he doesn't care how he comes across. Good for him.

Now, if you are trying to paint a picture of him being a bad teammate, I don't think that is even possible. Who works harder at his craft than Peyton Manning? Give me that guy on my sidelines every Sunday. I can deal with the bitching and finger pointing.

[Jason in LA]

Well, Ben Rothlessburger (sp) played a little defense...for one play. ;D

[Clockwork Orange]

I do not see the parallels between a coke head and the most serious football player on the planet.

When you work as hard as Peyton Manning does, I see no reason why he cannot rip into his teammates for poor play like a coach would with his team.

If there is one teammate who has earned the right to call out his teammates in professional sports, its Peyton Manning.

Like John Madden said, "he is half coach/half player."

And you know what? There is something endearing about a player who doesn't try to come across as somebody they are not (Brett Favre). Peyton Manning b****es. He wants to win so bad, he doesn't care how he comes across. Good for him.

Now, if you are trying to paint a picture of him being a bad teammate, I don't think that is even possible. Who works harder at his craft than Peyton Manning? Give me that guy on my sidelines every Sunday. I can deal with the b****ing and finger pointing.

Manning doesn't belong in any conversation with Favre. Favre has taken his teams to two Super Bowls and won one. Favre is a winner, Manning isn't.

But rest assured, Manning has someone other than himself to blame for that.

You can find it endearing if you like, I'm sure the teammates he buries in order to make sure that no one dares believe that he didn't get it done (as has been the case in multiple playoff games) don't quite see it that way.

[GonzoLays]

You know what a good teammate is? A guy who is prepared and shows up to play every Sunday.

You don't win football games in the press conference room.

If Peyton Manning was my teammate, I could give two ****s if he called out the whole damn team for poor play. I know that guy is going to show up on Sunday and give it his all. We ain't got to be best friends to win a football game. Believe that.

[Bronco LB 59]

"It is what it is, we are what we are"

This is becoming the most annoying cliche in sports.

[Clockwork Orange]

You know what a good teammate is? A guy who is prepared and shows up to play every Sunday.

You don't win football games in the press conference room.

If Peyton Manning was my teammate, I could give two ****s if he called out the whole damn team for poor play. I know that guy is going to show up on Sunday and give it his all. We ain't got to be best friends to win a football game. Believe that.

So being a leader means being able to badmouth your teammates when they struggle, yet never taking criticism when you yourself **** the bed in a big game? Gotcha. I'm sure that's perfectly acceptable to the guys who're getting ripped by someone they're supposed to follow out on the field.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Wasn't he criticising himself? He kind of knocked the defense, too, I guess. There's no excuse for that offense only putting up 24 against the freakin' Texans though. God I miss Dick Vermeil. NOT!

[Clockwork Orange]

Wasn't he criticising himself?

Bite your tounge, lad. The Peyton is exempt from criticism.

Just ask him.

[GonzoLays]

So being a leader means being able to badmouth your teammates when they struggle, yet never taking criticism when you yourself **** the bed in a big game? Gotcha. I'm sure that's perfectly acceptable to the guys who're getting ripped by someone they're supposed to follow out on the field.

I think in sports, leadership from your best player is overrated.

Using Michael Jordan as an example again, his teammates HATED him. He had the sharpest, most vile tongue on the planet. He knew what made you tick and he constantly ****ed with you. And this wasn't just good natured ribbing, this was, "I want to fight Michael Jordan" type of ribbing. He was cruel. Bill Cartwright almost whipped his ass. Did that stop the Bulls from winning six championships? Of course not.

A lot of the times, the 'leaders' on a team are not the best players. They are usually the fringe guys that understand chemistry and have a strong work ethic. That is why guys like Mike Shanahan become coaches and great players like Joe Montana, John Elway, Dan Marino and Jim Kelly do not. The media so badly wants these guys to be great leaders, but in actuality, they are not.

[Clockwork Orange]

I think in sports, leadership from your best player is overrated.

Using Michael Jordan as an example again, his teammates HATED him. He had the sharpest, most vile tongue on the planet. He knew what made you tick and he constantly ****ed with you. And this wasn't just good natured rubbing, this was, "I want to fight Michael Jordan" type of ribbing. He was cruel. Bill Cartwright almost whipped his ass.

A lot of the times, the 'leaders' on a team are not the best players. They are usually the fringe guys that understand chemistry and have a strong work ethic. That is why guys like Mike Shanahan become coaches and great players like Joe Montana, John Elway, Dan Marino and Jim Kelly do not. The media so badly wants these guys to be great leaders, but in all actuality, they are not.

I've also read The Jordan Rules, Cartwright threatened to break Jordan's legs once.

We're not talking about sports in general, we're talking about NFL QB's. Those guys are expected to be leaders by the nature of the position they play, whether they have the makeup for it or not.

[WABronco]

Ummmm, well, I don't think what was said is all that bad. Don't get me wrong, I like seeing Peyton squirm....

"When you're out there, your job is to score points. We needed to score more points today."

I guess he's "calling out" himself too.

[Bronx33]

I will be the first to say WHAT F***** PLANET DO YOU COME FROM GONZO? good freaking god! do you just make this meandering BS up just to get people going?

[Clockwork Orange]

Ummmm, well, I don't think what was said is all that bad. Don't get me wrong, I like seeing Peyton squirm....

"When you're out there, your job is to score points. We needed to score more points today."

I guess he's "calling out" himself too.

I guess you skimmed over the part where he basically said, "I can't play offense and defense, too."

[BroncoSoja]

Just saw his postgame quotes on ESPNNews. This time he's throwing the Colts defense under the bus.

"It is what it is, we are what we are. It's not like basketball where guys can play both sides of the ball, you can only control when you're out there. When you're out there, your job is to score points. We needed to score more points today."

Yep, that's a guy whose teammates are ready to run through a wall for him. Whether it's true or not, it isn't Manning's place to criticize his teammates publicly.


OK hold up for a second... And answer this question.. Is he wrong?

That defense absoluty sucks. So I will ask agian, is he wrong?

[Clockwork Orange]

OK hold up for a second... And answer this question.. Is he wrong?

That defense absoluty sucks. So I will ask agian, is he wrong?

Way to miss the point, Stephen Hawking.

I said at the very end, whether he's right or not, it's not his place to rip his teammates publicly. Let that sink in for a minute before you respond.

By the way, nice sig, assbag. The fact that they let you ooze back onto this site is unbelievable.

[WABronco]

I guess you skimmed over the part where he basically said, "I can't play offense and defense, too."

No, I didn't, I'm just not reading as far into it as you guys are.

I don't know, it just doesn't seem that egregious to me. I'm usually adverse to these types of situations, but for some reason I'm just not feeling it right now...

Must be that we're 9-6 and I'm still too jacked to worry about the Colts falling apart (again)...:)

[maven]

I'm with Manning on this one. His defense sucks and continues to suck. He should talk. He's the leader of the team and it's obvious the defense hasn't stepped up.

[yavoon]

Way to miss the point, Stephen Hawking.

I said at the very end, whether he's right or not, it's not his place to rip his teammates publicly. Let that sink in for a minute before you respond.

By the way, nice sig, assbag. The fact that they let you ooze back onto this site is unbelievable.

like a month ago when brady ripped his teammates for being too stupid to listen to the coaches?

oh I'm sorry, when someone who hasn't beatan denver by like a kabillion points in the playoffs says it, it probably is 'calling them out.'

[GonzoLays]

I've also read The Jordan Rules, Cartwright threatened to break Jordan's legs once.

We're not talking about sports in general, we're talking about NFL QB's. Those guys are expected to be leaders by the nature of the position they play, whether they have the makeup for it or not.

I don't see how the QB position is any more important to leadership than say, a WR. How many times have you read that the Broncos lockerroom belongs to Rod Smith? Hundreds of time. He is the 'true leader' of that team? Leadership to some comes natural; its in their blood.

Like I said, just because Peyton Manning calls out some guys doesn't make him anyless of a teammate in my book. He is who he is. You think some scrub is going on Indy's dline is going to get his feelings hurt if Alpha Dog Peyton Manning said they need to stop the run? Hell no they are not. If there is one player in the NFL that has the juice to say whatever the hell he pleases, its Peyton Manning. You can't touch him. Does it make it right? I don't know, but it shouldn't bother grown ass men.

[Clockwork Orange]

like a month ago when brady ripped his teammates for being too stupid to listen to the coaches?

oh I'm sorry, when someone who hasn't beatan denver by like a kabillion points in the playoffs says it, it probably is 'calling them out.'

Or maybe you should have a history of showing up in big games before you start yapping about other people not doing their jobs.

But I guess Manning's stats give him a pass on that. Sure.

[Clockwork Orange]

I don't see how the QB position is any more important to leadership than say, a WR. How many times have you read that the Broncos lockerroom belongs to Rod Smith? Hundreds of time. He is the 'true leader' of that team? Leadership to some comes natural; its in their blood.

That's at least partly because the Broncos haven't had a QB with any leadership qualities since Elway.

[Bronx33]

I'm with Manning on this one. His defense sucks and continues to suck. He should talk. He's the leader of the team and it's obvious the defense hasn't stepped up.




Hes stating the obvious and creating bad mojo in the locker room and for what? he knows his D stinks his D knows they stink dungy knows the D stinks. Does fore head boy think kicking his D in the balls in an interveiw going to make them play better? Iam going to say no and forehead boy knows hes going to come up short (again) because of his D (just like last year) Hes letting his frustration out (like a the bi*** he is)

[watermock]

Naa, I think you are reading too much into it. In this day of hyper media, everybody gets a chance to hear every word spoken by an athlete. Sometimes they trip up.

Peyton is a competitor. "Show me a good loser and I will show you a loser."

The great ones always have that competitive edge which makes for some strong soundbites. Could he have worded what he said better? Sure he could. But who cares at this point. If everybody on the Colts took the game as seriously as Peyton Manning, they wouldn't be having these problems.

Michael Jordan and Larry Bird were probably two of the worst teammates --verbally -- anyone could ever have. I don't hear about Peyton punching out a teammate in practice (Michael Jordon/Will Perdue) or making fun of someone's stuttering problem (Larry Bird/Bill Walton) like those guys did.

When you are operating on another level, you usually don't have time for pleasantries when people keep messing up.

Your full of shiat as usual. God your an idiot. Calling out teammates doesn't give you a "compeditive edge" at all. The "I can't play defense" was uncalled for completely..He should of been calling out DUNGY for his crap defense. Will Perdue was a scrub idiot. Your making all kinds of assertions once again.

I love your idiot analogy of basketball players to football players. Try 53 players instead of 12 dimwit.

Just never mind...your an idiot...you don't have an inkling of a clue.

They brought in Dungy to fix the defense...it hasn't happened. Period. But you don't flash your skidmarks in public.

[yavoon]

Or maybe you should have a history of showing up in big games before you start yapping about other people not doing their jobs.

But I guess Manning's stats give him a pass on that. Sure.

so he should be a scared weenie about trying to win and making his team better because YOU perceive that he can't play well in big games?

hahahahahahhahahahahahahah.

just give it up, ur smack against peyton is sad. OMG he sorta of kind of insinuated that his defense is doing poorly!

[GonzoLays]

Or maybe you should have a history of showing up in big games before you start yapping about other people not doing their jobs.

But I guess Manning's stats give him a pass on that. Sure.

It's a team sport, Clock. This isn't tennis. It takes 45 guys to show up to win a football game.

I have witnessed Peyton Manning with my own two eyes rip up the Broncos for close to a 1000 yards and 10 tds in two playoff games. He wasn't shook those games. He wasn't shook when he drove Indy down the field against Pitt last year at the end of the game before Vanderjact missed the game winning fg. He shows up.

[footstepsfrom#27]

That is why guys like Mike Shanahan become coaches and great players like Joe Montana, John Elway, Dan Marino and Jim Kelly do not. The media so badly wants these guys to be great leaders, but in actuality, they are not.
Elway and Montana weren't great leaders? You're obviously stoned off your *** so I will pretend you didn't say that.

[watermock]

It's a team sport, Clock. This isn't tennis. It takes 45 guys to show up to win a football game.


I guess that's why you usued an analogy of basketball.

[400HZ]

:Whaaaa!: :Whaaaa!: :Whaaaa!: :Whaaaa!: :Whaaaa!:

[GonzoLays]

so he should be a scared weenie about trying to win and making his team better because YOU perceive that he can't play well in big games?

hahahahahahhahahahahahahah.

just give it up, ur smack against peyton is sad. OMG he sorta of kind of insinuated that his defense is doing poorly!

Ahh, yavoon the buffoon.

Be glad the Arizona Cardinals won today, or you would have spent the next four months arguing why Brady Quinn should be selected first.

"Always draft talent over need" ~ Yavoon

[watermock]

Stfu

[Clockwork Orange]

so he should be a scared weenie about trying to win and making his team better because YOU perceive that he can't play well in big games?

hahahahahahhahahahahahahah.

just give it up, ur smack against peyton is sad. OMG he sorta of kind of insinuated that his defense is doing poorly!

No, he shouldn't be badmouthing his teammates publicly regardless. I don't remember any of them hammering him after he pissed down his leg in New England in a pair of playoff games. Or the time he did it against the Jets. Or when he did it against the Titans.

I'm not perceiving anything, your beloved stats prove that out.

[Mtbrncofn]

Just saw his postgame quotes on ESPNNews. This time he's throwing the Colts defense under the bus.

"It is what it is, we are what we are.

Looks like Peyton went to the Todd Bertuzzi school of post game comments. He should have added some tears too.

[GonzoLays]

I guess that's why you usued an analogy of basketball.

:kiddingme

[Clockwork Orange]

It's a team sport, Clock. This isn't tennis. It takes 45 guys to show up to win a football game.

Yes, it most certainly is. Tell that to Manning. It isn't exactly going to fire up the troops when he's busting their chops to the media.

I have witnessed Peyton Manning with my own two eyes rip up the Broncos for close to a 1000 yards and 10 tds in two playoff games. He wasn't shook those games. He wasn't shook when he drove Indy down the field against Pitt last year at the end of the game before Vanderjact missed the game winning fg. He shows up.

I saw the same games. I also saw him go into New England after each of those games and completely lay an egg.....yet strangely none of his teammates called him out for it.

[Bronx33]

Peyton is a b**** plain and simple and what little hope he has of going to the big dance is all but gone (and he made sure of that)

[tsr28]

OK hold up for a second... And answer this question.. Is he wrong?

That defense absoluty sucks. So I will ask agian, is he wrong?

I'd agree with that but isn't most of the money in the organization loaded towards the offense, I mean it is what it is isn't it.

And if he's some player coach he better start coming up with some better defensive schemes. Let's go coach!

[GonzoLays]

I saw the same games. I also saw him go into New England after each of those games and completely lay an egg.....yet strangely none of his teammates called him out for it.

Vanderjack did. Its team sports, baby! Happens all the time.

Hell, if I call out people when I play pickup basketball, then you best be sure players do it all the time at the professional level. It's emotional.

[Clockwork Orange]

Vanderjack did. Its team sports, baby! Happens all the time.

Kickers don't count. They wear tiny helmets and get to take a nap while the real players are sweating through two-a-days.;D

[maven]

Hes stating the obvious and creating bad mojo in the locker room and for what? he knows his D stinks his D knows they stink dungy knows the D stinks. Does fore head boy think kicking his D in the balls in an interveiw going to make them play better? Iam going to say no and forehead boy knows hes going to come up short (again) because of his D (just like last year) Hes letting his frustration out (like a the bi*** he is)

The question is could the D play any worse? They've been up and down all season. A kick in the nuts from the leader of the team is deserved. Playoffs are coming. The D rolling over against Houston is pathetic. They deserve the flak.

[footstepsfrom#27]

His TV commercial suck too. :thumbsup:

[Bronx33]

Vanderjack did. Its team sports, baby! Happens all the time.

Hell, if I call out people when I play pickup basketball, then you best be sure players do it all the time at the professional level. It's emotional.


Geeee i wonder if you called em out over and over if they just might start to hate your a**?

Think about it you dumb f*****!

[yavoon]

No, he shouldn't be badmouthing his teammates publicly regardless. I don't remember any of them hammering him after he pissed down his leg in New England in a pair of playoff games. Or the time he did it against the Jets. Or when he did it against the Titans.

I'm not perceiving anything, your beloved stats prove that out.

care to join the hate tom brady bandwagon too? he was a lot less subtle than peyton. he didnt insinuate anything. lets see if u have some intellectual balls, or if ur just acting out ur raging hard on against peyton.

so clockwork says it, at no time should ppl badmouth teammates like tom brady did.

[PatsWin2002]

Hey this is the age of parity. And the Colts spent all their money on Manning and getting him a phenomenal group to work with.

Tough crap if their defense stinks!

He's probably more worried about breaking records and getting into the HOF anyway.

Manning is great, but his receiving corps make him look great too. Look at what Brady has to work with in comparison!

However, I'm glad we have guys like Seymour, Warren, and Wilfork to stop the run. :)

[Bronx33]

The question is could the D play any worse? They've been up and down all season. A kick in the nuts from the leader of the team is deserved. Playoffs are coming. The D rolling over against Houston is pathetic. They deserve the flak.


He threw em under the bus last year (peyton is a spoiled b****) plain and simple.

[yavoon]

Geeee i wonder if you called em out over and over if they just might start to hate your a**?

Think about it you dumb ******!

like tom brady's teammates hate him now for calling them out?

should we compile a list of ppl calling their teammates out so u can rail on all of them?

[ludo21]

LOL

they went from a first round bye and #1 seed to wild card weekend in a hurry Ha!

[yavoon]

Hey this is the age of parity. And the Colts spent all their money on Manning and getting him a phenomenal group to work with.

Tough crap if their defense stinks!

He's probably more worried about breaking records and getting into the HOF anyway.

Manning is great, but his receiving corps make him look great too. Look at what Brady has to work with in comparison!

However, I'm glad we have guys like Seymour, Warren, and Wilfork to stop the run. :)

manning would do similarly well w/ a large variety of receivers. not as well, certainly harrison and wayne both are good. but u don't think thats because manning tosses it to them 24/7/365 in practice? manning has had a lot of turnover on offense, some ppl called for his downfall when they let edge go, wellt hat was bull****. marcus pollard left, stokley is injured he threw to dallas clark, clark is injured he threw to bryan fletcher.

oh and about that parity thing, u think th epatriots are gna keep all 3 of those dlineman? all 1st round picks, to keep all 3 would probably take, oh, 30% of ur cap? it'll be interesting.

[Bronx33]

like tom brady's teammates hate him now for calling them out?

should we compile a list of ppl calling their teammates out so u can rail on all of them?


I thought we were talking about peyton? but i will say the patties D has the potential to play good D indys D has zero potential yet forehead boy kicks em in the balls anyways.

[Clockwork Orange]

care to join the hate tom brady bandwagon too? he was a lot less subtle than peyton. he didnt insinuate anything. lets see if u have some intellectual balls, or if ur just acting out ur raging hard on against peyton.

so clockwork says it, at no time should ppl badmouth teammates like tom brady did.

*yawn*

Nice attempt at deflection, anyway. It's cute to watch you try to drag a QB who's actually come up big in big games through the mud in order to protect your beloved Manning. It's pretty obvious who's got the raging hard on for him here. :laugh:

by by yvn. nce tlkng 2 u.

[yavoon]

I thought we were talking about peyton plus the patties D has the potential to play good D indys D has zero potential yet forehead boy kicks em in the balls anyways.

brady was ripping the entire team more or less. but if u ask me he was really pissed at his receivers, probably for not running the routes correctly(looking at u ex patriot gabriel).

[PatsWin2002]

No idea about our own financial situation Yavoon, but the Patriots have had pretty good success instilling the idea in the PLAYERS that you have to spend wisely to win a championship.

Therefore, the glory hogs and moneygrubbers kind of get weeded out and guys that want to win a championship remain.

Indy doesn't have that yet. We've only lost guys that have their rings and are looking for some team to overpay them....and NONE have been better since they left.....Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Roman Pfifer, Willie McGinest, etc.

[maven]

Was there such a thing as Patriots fans before the millennium? I think not.

[yavoon]

*yawn*

Nice attempt at deflection, anyway. It's cute to watch you try to drag a QB who's actually come up big in big games through the mud in order to protect your beloved Manning. It's pretty obvious who's got the raging hard on for him here. :laugh:

by by yvn. nce tlkng 2 u.

its a relevant point, ur logic, or ur lack of it has no consistency. its just a shallow and intellectually retarded attempt to hate on peyton. u look like a dumbass doing it, and then denying anyone pointing out ur hypocrisy only makes u look even stupider.

but please continue, show us the true depths of ur idiocy.

[yavoon]

No idea about our own financial situation Yavoon, but the Patriots have had pretty good success instilling the idea in the PLAYERS that you have to spend wisely to win a championship.

Therefore, the glory hogs and moneygrubbers kind of get weeded out and guys that want to win a championship remain.

Indy doesn't have that yet. We've only lost guys that have their rings and are looking for some team to overpay them....and NONE have been better since they left.....Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Roman Pfifer, Willie McGinest, etc.

so how long do u think u can run at double digit millions under the cap before the players figure it out?

its true, the patriots are the new stingy. so are u implying that u will lose 2/3 of ur dline 1st rounders?

[PatsWin2002]

Was there such a thing as Patriots fans before the millennium? I think not.

Of course.

We had those lean years in the early 90's with crappy teams, worse coaches, and our share of blackouts, but the Boston area fans are a dedicated, loyal bunch for sure.

[Bronx33]

brady was ripping the entire team more or less. but if u ask me he was really pissed at his receivers, probably for not running the routes correctly(looking at u ex patriot gabriel).


Yavoon i don't care what marsha did ok (it's a completely different senerio than what forehead boy is pullin, hes basically sayin we the offense are perfect and you clowns are slowing us down. And the stupid ****er knew this last year ( it's frustration from a spoiled b****) that knows hes going to come up short again and he knows why. Does he rip management for letting the same D ride another year? knowing they stink? nope foreheadboy kicks his crappy D in the balls without a second thought.

[yavoon]

Yavoon i don't care what marsha did ok (it's a completely different senerio than what forehead boy is pullin, hes basically sayin we the offense are perfect and you clowns are slowing us down. And the stupid ****er knew this last year ( it's frustration from a spoiled b****) that knows hes going to come up short again and he knows why. Does he rip management for letting the same D ride another year? knowing they stink? nope foreheadboy kicks his crappy D in the balls without a second thought.

so now u want him to rip management? ur assesment is childish and retarded. it was an insinuation of peyton's frustration. marsha just came out and said his teammates were stupid ****s. and that was after like 2 losses.

this conversation can only end one way, in all the rabid peyton haters whipping themselves into a hypocritical fervor over whatever they see as the newest reason to hate the person who annhilated the broncos in the playoffs.

its all gna be dumb, and its all gna be championed by dumbasses w/ no reasoning ability but plenty of manly notions.

[Clockwork Orange]

its a relevant point, ur logic, or ur lack of it has no consistency. its just a shallow and intellectually retarded attempt to hate on peyton. u look like a dumbass doing it, and then denying anyone pointing out ur hypocrisy only makes u look even stupider.

but please continue, show us the true depths of ur idiocy.

Get ****ed, you stathead loser. Your worship of Manning is nothing more than an extension of your lame infatuation with numbers. Pretty typical of a joyless wretch like you who gets no enjoyment out of the games whatsoever.

It's always good for a laugh when you crawl out from under your rock to continue your act of a wannabe intellectual while typing like a 2nd grader.:rofl:

[yavoon]

Get ****ed, you stathead loser. Your worship of Manning is nothing more than an extension of your lame infatuation with numbers. Pretty typical of a joyless wretch like you who gets no enjoyment out of the games whatsoever.

It's always good for a laugh when you crawl out from under your rock to continue your act of a wannabe intellectual while typing like a 2nd grader.:rofl:

I think this post is ample proof of the validity of anything u say in the future.

[PatsWin2002]

so how long do u think u can run at double digit millions under the cap before the players figure it out?

its true, the patriots are the new stingy. so are u implying that u will lose 2/3 of ur dline 1st rounders?

The unspent $$ is due to the Branch fiasco as far as I know. I don't think we will lose any of those guys, but anything is possible with BB. I really hadn't thought about it.

If nothing else, if the guys are committed to winning and understand the economics of the NFL today then they will stay here for less money than, say, what a team like the Lions or Cardianls might pay them.

It's called "drinking the Kool Aid" here in NE. It's a huge benefit the great coaches in the league enjoy over the scrubs and newbie coaches. They get the players to buy-in to the big picture and eliminate the primadonnas.

[yavoon]

The unspent $$ is due to the Branch fiasco as far as I know. I don't think we will lose any of those guys, but anything is possible with BB. I really hadn't thought about it.

If nothing else, if the guys are committed to winning and understand the economics of the NFL today then they will stay here for less money than, say, what a team like the Lions or Cardianls might pay them.

It's called "drinking the Kool Aid" here in NE. It's a huge benefit the great coaches in the league enjoy over the scrubs and newbie coaches. They get the players to buy-in to the big picture and eliminate the primadonnas.

if the players knew anything about economics and the NFL then they'd run to detroit for a fat contract ASAP.

but, like u say, if they drink the kool aid then they might stay for less in NE. or maybe *gasp* u might pay them. time will tell.

[Clockwork Orange]

I think this post is ample proof of the validity of anything u say in the future.

Only in your narrow little mind, nancy.

[Bronx33]

so now u want him to rip management? ur assesment is childish and retarded. it was an insinuation of peyton's frustration. marsha just came out and said his teammates were stupid ****s. and that was after like 2 losses.

this conversation can only end one way, in all the rabid peyton haters whipping themselves into a hypocritical fervor over whatever they see as the newest reason to hate the person who annhilated the broncos in the playoffs.

its all gna be dumb, and its all gna be championed by dumbasses w/ no reasoning ability but plenty of manly notions.



Ok dude i was being civil out of respect but i guess thats out the window how the hell is my assessment childish? iam dealing with facts and giving my opinion based on those so you can cram your peyton lovin opinion up your a**. Just watch as peyton D leaves him just outside the door again and guess what (it won't be a suprise) again. peyton is this decades dan marino (book it)

[yavoon]

Only in your narrow little mind, nancy.

thats all u got? come on, u can do better. try again, but this time flame w/ feeling!

[Clockwork Orange]

thats all u got? come on, u can do better. try again, but this time flame w/ feeling!

Hate to deflate your ego, but that's about all the effort you're worth.

Sorry.

[yavoon]

Ok dude i was being civil out of respect but i guess thats out the window how the hell is my assessment childish? iam dealing with facts and giving my opinion based on those so you can cram your peyton lovin opinion up your a**. Just watch as peyton D leaves him just outside the door again and guess what (it won't be a suprise) again. peyton is this decades dan marino (book it)

because other players who u would never think to criticize have called out their teammates far harder than that mincing ass insinuation peyton gave.

and for the intellectually retarded, john elway was 2 years away from having zero superbowls. so I think, atleast this board, should shutup about dan marino.

[yavoon]

Hate to deflate your ego, but that's about all the effort you're worth.

Sorry.

k well ur hypocrisy is fully exposed, ur mindless drivel well documented. so I guess if u dont want to continue I can see why.

[TheReverend]

Manning doesn't belong in any conversation with Favre. Favre has taken his teams to two Super Bowls and won one. Favre is a winner, Manning isn't.

But rest assured, Manning has someone other than himself to blame for that.

You can find it endearing if you like, I'm sure the teammates he buries in order to make sure that no one dares believe that he didn't get it done (as has been the case in multiple playoff games) don't quite see it that way.

You give Manning Reggie White and Favre's superbowl defense and see what he does with it.

[PatsWin2002]

if the players knew anything about economics and the NFL then they'd run to detroit for a fat contract ASAP.

but, like u say, if they drink the kool aid then they might stay for less in NE. or maybe *gasp* u might pay them. time will tell.


They only run to those places for the money and often find that they'd gladly give up some money to get back in a winning organization.

Don't you think that Edge wishes he was back in Indy just a bit? You think it's fun for them to diet and do squats and presses and practice all year knowing it's all futile?? Man, that has to be deflating. But you also find out who is a team player and who is here for the money. The exceptions are the guys at the end of their playing careers that are willing to go for the most $$ if they have a ring or take less $$ and go to a team that gives them a chance for a ring.

The point is that the league prevents you from paying everyone. The Colts have spent most of their money on the Manning Show and it's evident.

Wth how the Patriots have managed to stay near the top in this new era how can you argue with their success?

[Clockwork Orange]

You give Manning Reggie White and Favre's superbowl defense and see what he does with it.

We certainly know what he'd do if they didn't win.

[yavoon]

They only run to those places for the money and often find that they'd gladly give up some money to get back in a winning organization.

Don't you think that Edge wishes he was back in Indy just a bit? You think it's fun for them to diet and do squats and presses and practice all year knowing it's all futile?? Man, that has to be deflating. But you also find out who is a team player and who is here for the money. The exceptions are the guys at the end of their playing careers that are willing to go for the most $$ if they have a ring or take less $$ and go to a team that gives them a chance for a ring.

The point is that the league prevents you from paying everyone. The Colts have spent most of their money on the Manning Show and it's evident.

Wth how the Patriots have managed to stay near the top in this new era how can you argue with their success?

the average NFL career is what? 4 years? the average lifespan is 72.

if they understood anything about economics and the NFL they would run to detroit.

and who is paid on the colts? as far as I can tell its 3 players, so u cant have 3 good offensive players?

the colts fully healthy can be middle of the pack against the run. but they need bob sanders and corey simon(is he even coming back?). and it wouldn't hurt to put brock back at end. but whatever, none of who is playing on defense makes peyton better or worse as a player.

[Bronx33]

because other players who u would never think to criticize have called out their teammates far harder than that mincing ass insinuation peyton gave.

and for the intellectually retarded, john elway was 2 years away from having zero superbowls. so I think, atleast this board, should shutup about dan marino.


Again i deal with facts and you do an another tangent about something i could give a ratz a** about.


Woulda coulda shoulda john got his 2 SB it's in the books danny boys (are not) again (facts) one doesn't have to be very educated to figure that one out.


Peyton is a bit*** (deal with it)

[yavoon]

Again i deal with facts and you do an another tangent about something i could give a ratz a** about.


Woulda coulda shoulda john got his 2 SB it's in the books danny boys (are not) again (facts) one doesn't have to be very educated to figure that one out.


Peyton is a bit*** (deal with it)

so u lack the intellectual capability to understand the point I was making? interesting, I guess I know how feeble a mind Im working w/ now.

[Clockwork Orange]

k well ur hypocrisy is fully exposed, ur mindless drivel well documented. so I guess if u dont want to continue I can see why.

And your soul crushingly boring, faux wise act is a running joke around here, so maybe it's best for you if this goes no further.

Thanks for the laughs, yavoon. Oh wait, let me speak your language.

thks fr th lghs, yvn.

[yavoon]

And your soul crushingly boring, faux wise act is a running joke around here, so maybe it's best for you if this goes no further.

Thanks for the laughs, yavoon. Oh wait, let me speak your language.

thks fr th lghs, yvn.

u keep sending me farewells, like nice talkin to u, and thanks for the laughs. and u also said that the short post u made prior was all the effort u were willing to spend on me. and yet here u r, more posts, more drivel.

could it be ur as insanely stupid about the posts u make as u r about other things in ur life? I think we have successfully peeled back another layer of ur idiocy.

[Bronx33]

so u lack the intellectual capability to understand the point I was making? interesting, I guess I know how feeble a mind Im working w/ now.


LMAO! you completely lost my respect ****head, you basically won't even listen to another point of view that's the problem.

[yavoon]

LMAO! you completely lost my respect ****head, you basically won't even listen to another point of view that's the problem.

I listened to it and I explained why its stupid. now ur gna whine that I dont agree w/ u? god, have a spine will ya.

[Bronx33]

I listened to it and I explained why its stupid. now ur gna whine that I dont agree w/ u? god, have a spine will ya.

Go jerk off to your peyton/marino poster.

[PatsWin2002]

the average NFL career is what? 4 years? the average lifespan is 72.

if they understood anything about economics and the NFL they would run to detroit.

and who is paid on the colts? as far as I can tell its 3 players, so u cant have 3 good offensive players?

the colts fully healthy can be middle of the pack against the run. but they need bob sanders and corey simon(is he even coming back?). and it wouldn't hurt to put brock back at end. but whatever, none of who is playing on defense makes peyton better or worse as a player.


You make it sound like they all only play for the money. These guys have played this game since they were boys and all want to win and make a huge commitment to it.

You can't just turn off that competitive fire now that dollars are involved.

Face it, the Colts are all about offense and they are damn good at it. However, they still haven't learned that defense wins championships and still are more interested in looking like the Greatest Show on Turf.....until Polian gets enough rules changed in the offseason to get Payton a ring. :P

[yavoon]

Go jerk off to your peyton/marino poster.

I have a poster of neither. is this how u collect all ur facts? I guess u have successfully derailed the thread and talking about ur hypocrisy. bravo. lets sling mud now!

[Bronx33]

You make it sound like they all only play for the money. These guys have played this game since they were boys and all want to win and make a huge commitment to it.

You can't just turn off that competitive fire now that dollars are involved.

Face it, the Colts are all about offense and they are damn good at it. However, they still haven't learned that defense wins championships and still are more interested in looking like the Greatest Show on Turf.....until Polian gets enough rules changed in the offseason to get Payton a ring. :P


That was basically my point (and forehead boy knows it) yet he trashes his D anyways.

[yavoon]

You make it sound like they all only play for the money. These guys have played this game since they were boys and all want to win and make a huge commitment to it.

You can't just turn off that competitive fire now that dollars are involved.

Face it, the Colts are all about offense and they are damn good at it. However, they still haven't learned that defense wins championships and still are more interested in looking like the Greatest Show on Turf.....until Polian gets enough rules changed in the offseason to get Payton a ring. :P

the most important ranking stat for winning championships is passing. I know, its scary, another cliche proved horribly wrong.

and like I said, if they understood anything about economics and the NFL they'd goto detroit. u can compete in detroit, if they fire millen u might even win some. this whole idea that players should willing to spend their entire useful careers underpaid while battering their bodies up and THATS the smart thing to do. I dont know, it smacks to me of hatred for football players.

[PatsWin2002]

Not to ditch you guys, but I gotta hit the hay...I'm a little drunk and a little tired and tomorrow is already here. Ha!

Merry Christmas, folks. :)

[Bronx33]

later pat....

[XXXII&III]

Yavoon, can you borrow a couple vowels from your name and, like, use them in a sentence? ur psts r hrd 2 rd

thanks!

[yavoon]

Yavoon, can you borrow a couple vowels from your name and, like, use them in a sentence? ur psts r hrd 2 rd

thanks!

consider it a test. if u can't read my posts its probably best u didnt try, might hurt urself.

=D

[Broncojef]

If Manning wanted to slam his Defense he should have done it behind closed doors, not to the public at large. At this point he knows the SuperBowl will elude him for yet another year and he can't come to grips with it. Every year his escalating salary will eat into the FA pool of teammates he needs around him to actually win a SuperBowl. This is the second time manning has thrown teamates under the bus and I bet his comments have not fallen of deaf ears.

Thanks for maintaining your streak gonzo, yet another set of posts I completely disagree with you on.

[XXXII&III]

u shd tk a typng clss. whn u typ fst, u hv tm 2 typ all th lttrs.

=D

[yavoon]

u shd tk a typng clss. whn u typ fst, u hv tm 2 typ all th lttrs.

=D

http://www.typeonline.co.uk/typingspeed.php

84wpm.

:)

[XXXII&III]

98 wpm. See what I mean? lol

i used to type 130 wpm. don't type near as much now as I used to.

[XXXII&III]

oh, and on topic, I love Peyton's commercials. Throw some dirt on it.

[yavoon]

98 wpm. See what I mean? lol

i used to type 130 wpm. don't type near as much now as I used to.

so if I typed 130 wpm or even 98 I would cease to need abbreviations? thats about on par for the intelligence in this thread. I do wonder how u ppl ever learned to tie ur shoes being this dumb.

[XXXII&III]

well read this without a vowel. fck u.

[yavoon]

well read this without a vowel. fck u.

=D