Hey where are the guys that said ShanAHAN threw away the season by starting Cutler?

[baja]

Well step up guys C R O W is served.

[bloodsunday]

I'll take mine medium.

I have never been so happy to be wrong about something. My Cutler jersey didn't make it in time for Xmas ;) Stupid snow storm.

The best part is that these are big time games against big time teams. He has played Seattle, San Diego and now Cincinnati. Assuming we get in he will face Indy or NE. The kid will be battle tested for next season.

We definitely got the best of both worlds. That's why Shanny make $5M+ a year.

[footstepsfrom#27]

They've gotten awful quiet.

[GonzoLays]

I'm right here and boy do I love being wrong!

WHOOOOOOOO!! Jay Cutler. What a cannon.

Go Broncos!

[baja]

O K the rest of you step up there is plenty of C R O W to go around.

[GreatBronco16]

I just love the way that it makes them look like even bigger idiots. Regardless of whether or not Denver made/makes the playoffs, Shanny wasn't throwing away the season by starting Cutler. He was improving the QB spot plain and simple.

[GonzoLays]

But you know what, on the same token, were are all the fools that said the playoffs didn't matter after Cutler's first game? Seems like everyone has been hedging their bets on this one.

[usedupbraids]

Im not a CROW i like cutler even before he was a bronco ;) ;) ;)file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/LILNIS%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg

[Atlas]

Well step up guys C R O W is served.

They were here just a second ago???

[bloodsunday]

But you know what, on the same token, were are all the fools that said the playoffs didn't matter after Cutler's first game? Seems like everyone has been hedging their bets on this one.

Those are the morons, IMO.

I had a bad opinion on how successful Cutler would be. So what? It was never Jay vs. Jake, it was what I thought was in the best interest of the team. Clearly Shanahan knows more than I do on the subject (shocker).

But to say that the playoffs doesn't matter not only suggests to me you aren't a real fan, but is also in direct contrast to what the organization themselves want.

But I was still wrong. Now I wonder why didn't make the move sooner :)

[wolverine]

I trust Cutler. Can we get Shanahan to trust him a bit more too? The Martyball in the 4th quarter nearly cost us the game.

[baja]

They were here just a second ago???


LOL

Shall we go on a thread retrieval mission?

[Spider]

But you know what, on the same token, were are all the fools that said the playoffs didn't matter after Cutler's first game? Seems like everyone has been hedging their bets on this one.

I am right here , I was one of those guys that was in favor of Benching Plummer starting Cutler and blowing off the playoffs ..............
Cutler has progressed faster then I ever thought , he has more talent then I thought , I thought for sure it was going ot take over 8 games before Cutler was making good reads , Not only is he past that , he is leading this team , everyone is feeding off of him ...........

[usedupbraids]

I trust Cutler. Can we get Shanahan to trust him a bit more too? The Martyball in the 4th quarter nearly cost us the game.

i see what ya saying but snowing hard like it was you need to run the ball in waste some clock:approve: :approve:

[baja]

Those are the morons, IMO.

I had a bad opinion on how successful Cutler would be. So what? It was never Jay vs. Jake, it was what I thought was in the best interest of the team. Clearly Shanahan knows more than I do on the subject (shocker).

But to say that the playoffs doesn't matter not only suggests to me you aren't a real fan, but is also in direct contrast to what the organization themselves want.

But I was still wrong. <b> Now I wonder why didn't make the move sooner :)</b>

Shanny would have liked to IMO but he did not want to lose the locker room that believed in a very popular Jake. He had to play Jake until Jake himself proved he could not get it done. Remember the whole team sees what happens in practice too

[bloodsunday]

i see what ya saying but snowing hard like it was you need to run the ball in waste some clock:approve: :approve:

Both teams struggled going that direction, Cincy in the 3rd Quarter and Denver in the 4th. I didn't get an appreciation for that until I rewatched the game.

[Spider]

Those are the morons, IMO.

I had a bad opinion on how successful Cutler would be. So what? It was never Jay vs. Jake, it was what I thought was in the best interest of the team. Clearly Shanahan knows more than I do on the subject (shocker).

But to say that the playoffs doesn't matter not only suggests to me you aren't a real fan, but is also in direct contrast to what the organization themselves want.

But I was still wrong. Now I wonder why didn't make the move sooner :)

let me take it 1 step further , I was all for developing Cutler the rest of this season , then fixing what holes we could and making a damn strong run next year , without the growing pains of a rookie QB ........... I would rather suffer th mistakes this year , then next year ...............

[bloodsunday]

</b>

Shanny would have liked to IMO but he did not want to lose the locker room that believed in a very popular Jake. He had to play Jake until Jake himself proved he could not get it done. Remember the whole team sees what happens in practice too

If we beat SF it won't really matter but I just wonder if the KC game was the game. He pretty much announced it was gonna happen before that game anyway. You had to figure we would struggle @Arrowhead. With the progress Jay has made week-to-week we probably win the Seattle game with even just one or two less mistakes. That one extra game would be a nice card up our sleeves right now.

In the end if we beat SF it won't matter because we weren't going to catch SD so #5 seed is the best we could have done.

[cutthemdown]

first off benching a qb as bad as Plummer has very little chance of backfiring. I mean Plummer was horrid there was now way Cutler was going to play worst.

[bloodsunday]

let me take it 1 step further , I was all for developing Cutler the rest of this season , then fixing what holes we could and making a damn strong run next year , without the growing pains of a rookie QB ........... I would rather suffer th mistakes this year , then next year ...............

I know what the thought process is, but its a slippery slope. First of all you can't let people inside your organization think losing is acceptable under any circumstances. And, who knows what kind of hand you get dealt next year. What if we have 3 or 4 catastrophic injuries to guys like Champ and Cutler? At some point you have to win now and overcome adversity. At some point you have to learn to win with the guys you have on the field and not pine for what you can get with one more off season of improvements.

The lessons this team is learning on the field -- and I don't mean Cutler -- are far more valuable than drafting 5 or 8 picks higher. Learning to play together, to have confidence in the guy next to your, overcoming adversity, and being mentally tough are invaluable lessons to building a championship organization. You just can't quit and wait until next season because every time you have adversity you will just say "get em next year".

[-Slap-]

But you know what, on the same token, were are all the fools that said the playoffs didn't matter after Cutler's first game? Seems like everyone has been hedging their bets on this one.

Where are the people who said Jay would be fine once he redjusted to game speed, which cannot be simulated in practice?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/member.php?u=711

[Spider]

I know what the thought process is, but its a slippery slope. First of all you can't let people inside your organization think losing is acceptable under any circumstances. And, who knows what kind of hand you get dealt next year. What if we have 3 or 4 catastrophic injuries to guys like Champ and Cutler? At some point you have to win now and overcome adversity. At some point you have to learn to win with the guys you have on the field and not pine for what you can get with one more off season of improvements.

The lessons this team is learning on the field -- and I don't mean Cutler -- are far more valuable than drafting 5 or 8 picks higher. Learning to play together, to have confidence in the guy next to your, overcoming adversity, and being mentally tough are invaluable lessons to building a championship organization. You just can't quit and wait until next season because every time you have adversity you will just say "get em next year".
of course you never let players think it is ok to lose , and this realy wasnt about draft picks ,But more about F.A. , you want players giving 100% no matter the outcome , but lets be realistic here , i supported the move with Cutler , but me , nor anyone else knew how cutler would do ........ but we knew what Jake could do ..............

[BMF Bronco]

I am right here bro, I ate my crow well done last week!!! You think the kid is good on TV, watch that sumbitch live, it's ten times more impressive! Like Gonzo said, I have never been so happy to take my lumps! I just hope and pray that he can live up to the pressure of a playoff game (knock on wood!).

[Bronx33]

Now think guys, this kid gets to be molded by shanahan all we need to do is address the OL the DL the ST lol, but compared to KCs situaition next season (we look pretty good) for the future.


I threw that last comment in for bobo.

[BroncoSoja]

They've gotten awful quiet.

They usually do.

[Jason in LA]

Looks like Shanahan wasn't throwing away the season by starting Cutler, he was saving it.

[Triplelefthook]

</b>

Shanny would have liked to IMO but he did not want to lose the locker room that believed in a very popular Jake. He had to play Jake until Jake himself proved he could not get it done. Remember the whole team sees what happens in practice too

exactly and don't forget 1999 and how the locker room was lost with a quick QB switch without letting the veteran prove himself

[Orange_Beard]

What a game to be at....I was thinking I would start a thread,
"Could Jake have lost this game" - then again after being there and seeing the end I don't think "anyone" could have lost this game today.

[DivineLegion]

In Shanny we trust...

Dinners served?

[Ratboy]

hiding in the closet..

[Bronco LB 59]

When the decision was originally made, I think about 3/4 of Broncos fans supported the move. That's a strong majority.

Most of the critics I have heard over the last month have been outsiders.

[NFLBRONCO]

Well I must admit I was slightly wrong about Cutler. I was for the switch 100% but, honestly didn't expect Cutler to show steady improvement this fast. Longterm I knew he had it all.

[glenn230]

We played the #32 ranked defense today and almost lost. Cutler has thrown some good deep passes, but also a high interception % on those passes. We're talking about a pro quarterback - any starting QB in the NFL can throw 60+ yards. It's too early to serve crow, we had superbowl expecations coming into this year - and we're a very long ways from that.

[footstepsfrom#27]

We played the #32 ranked defense today and almost lost. Cutler has thrown some good deep passes, but also a high interception % on those passes. We're talking about a pro quarterback - any starting QB in the NFL can throw 60+ yards. It's too early to serve crow, we had superbowl expecations coming into this year - and we're a very long ways from that.
You should wait till at least the 10th post to show yourself this foolish.

[Orange_Beard]

- any starting QB in the NFL can throw 60+ yards.

Not the guy he replaced.

[Bronco LB 59]

We played the #32 ranked defense today and almost lost. Cutler has thrown some good deep passes, but also a high interception % on those passes. We're talking about a pro quarterback - any starting QB in the NFL can throw 60+ yards. It's too early to serve crow, we had superbowl expecations coming into this year - and we're a very long ways from that.

Broncos offense under Plummer: Two 20+ point games in 11 weeks

Broncos offense under Cutler: Four 20+ point games in 4 weeks

[CBF1]

I have been and will always be on the Cutler bandwagon. I was NEVER a fan of Jakes and at this time I pretty much think everyone else has forgotten about him as well.

To the future with #6

[Taco John]

But you know what, on the same token, were are all the fools that said the playoffs didn't matter after Cutler's first game? Seems like everyone has been hedging their bets on this one.



Not me. I made two bets before Cutler won his first game that we'd make it into the playoffs. And truthfully, I don't remember anyone ever saying the playoffs weren't important.

[GonzoLays]

Not me. I made two bets before Cutler won his first game that we'd make it into the playoffs. And truthfully, I don't remember anyone ever saying the playoffs weren't important.

hahahahahah

You don't remember hotrod and crew arguing that the playoffs were not important because we were going to lose once we got there? Come on.

[XXXII&III]

Hmmmmm, crow doesn't taste so bad.

Once again, Shanahan proves he knows more than I do.

wooo hooooooooooooo Cutler!!!!

[listopencil]

I'm right here. I was disgusted by the QB switch and figured that we were finally going to see that God awful rebuilding year. Instead...


Man, what a great year. This is just incredible to me. I know we could still blow it against the 9ers but still. This is just crazy good. Cutler is showing me that he is a bad ass.

[cutthemdown]

We played the #32 ranked defense today and almost lost. Cutler has thrown some good deep passes, but also a high interception % on those passes. We're talking about a pro quarterback - any starting QB in the NFL can throw 60+ yards. It's too early to serve crow, we had superbowl expecations coming into this year - and we're a very long ways from that.

its not how far he can throw it but just the overall arm strength has shown. Many qbs throw the ball 60 yrds but Cutler is showing he can throw it 60 yrds from any position in his motion. Most qbs need to step into a 60 yrd throw. I'd guess maybe only 10 qbs in the NFL could make that throw Cutler made to Walker for a td 2 weeks ago.

[Crushaholic]

My stance has always been that Cutler would start when Shanahan said he would start and I supported that. Was I nervous going into the rest of the season with a rookie? Of course I was. Am I still nervous? Not if the defense stepped up like they did Sunday...

[SoDak Bronco]

Anyone who doesn't see an improvement at the QB position is just crazy. I supported the move throughout. I think it's funny the people that were calling for Plummer’s head, then were calling for Shanny's head after the first game. are the same ones saying how smart he is now. Hypocrites!!<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

[baja]

first off benching a qb as bad as Plummer has very little chance of backfiring. I mean Plummer was horrid there was now way Cutler was going to play worst.

It has been very clear even with Plummer playing what appeared to us fans as horrid there were many vets that were less than enthusiastic about the change even after the loss to KC and Indy

[baja]

OK now that our bronco brothers have stepped up and dined on their CROW let them blow a few farts and now we all come together in support of our looming storybook season lead by our rookie sensation Jay "ROCKET MAN" Cutler.

It's good to be a Bronco Fan"

[Mile High Shack]

I think all bronco fans just want to see the team win, not sure what purpose this serves, other than to pat your own back I guess.

if it makes you feel better, I'll eat crow, I thought we were practing for next year...although I'd still like to say, our O has gotten better, our defense is still not very good, but it's all good I just want to see Cutler get a game or 2 of experience in the playoffs so we can make our superbowl run in 2007 :)

either way it's a win/win for me, I assumed our team had tanked it, but they didn't and it looks like we might be playing the Pats first round...worst nightmare for Pats, we match up really well against them, they have no receivers and defending the pass is the thing we are worst at (sans Champ of course)

Cutler's arm is amazing and I look forward to many years of non injuries and maybe a few championships ;)

[Taco John]

hahahahahah

You don't remember hotrod and crew arguing that the playoffs were not important because we were going to lose once we got there? Come on.



Now that you mention it...

I kind of tuned it out though. Playoffs are always important... Which is why I've been arguing for starting Cutler this season all along... :approve:

[Clockwork Orange]

OK now that our bronco brothers have stepped up and dined on their CROW let them blow a few farts and now we all come together in support of our looming storybook season lead by our rookie sensation Jay "ROCKET MAN" Cutler.

It's good to be a Bronco Fan"

I hope to heaven I owe you $20 next week. :)

[baja]

I hope to heaven I owe you $20 next week. :)

Well if you do I want you to go out and buy yourself the best pizza you can find for 20 bucks and enjoy it while watching our boy (since we first saw him play in pre season) in his first of many Bronco playoff games.

[Clockwork Orange]

Well if you do I want you to go out and buy yourself the best pizza you can find for 20 bucks and enjoy it while watching our boy (since we first saw him play in pre season) in his first of many Bronco playoff games.

You've got a deal. ^5

[Taco John]

Note to self: bet with Baja more often...

[Odysseus]

My stance has always been that Cutler would start when Shanahan said he would start and I supported that. Was I nervous going into the rest of the season with a rookie? Of course I was. Am I still nervous? Not if the defense stepped up like they did Sunday...

I'm not eating any crow on this deal. I didn't think the playoffs were a realistic accomplishment with or without Cutler.

Broncos played our of their skulls today. The team is a bunch of rookies, walking wounded, and trick plays. I don't thinking detailing all the Broncos issues rightfully or wrongfully makes anyone any smarter. I think fans should be congratulated because Mile Hi got on it's feet today.

Cutler did some plays right out of Plummer's playbook better than Plummer. He dropped a deep ball on top of double coverage and proving the Broncos could score. He got some key first downs and more importantly Cutler is starting to see more of the field and relax his throws.

Look at the last five drafts for the NFL for Quarterback. Tell me Cutler isn't special. If Shanahan says it's time for him to start. It's time for him to start.

[Kaylore]

I'm eating some too actually. I predicted that he'd do much worse than he is. I figured the move from Plummer to Cutler would be a lateral one with the promise that in time he would slowly improve. It ended up being an upgrade. He still has some games to play and mistakes to make, but each mistake he makes brings him closer to being a polished quarterback and one of the best ever. :)

[baja]

Here's one for ya - jay Cutler has been bettter than John Elway in his first four games.

[baja]

Not to say "I told you so" but the only members of this board that i remember supporting starting Jay because he would give us the best chance to win now was TJ, Slap, Mock and me.

Ah screw it,

"We told you so"

But I'm sure I have overlooked someone so post your proof and enjoy your braging rights here.

[elsid13]

Cutler and the rest of the team is playing well right now. What I have problem with is the darn play calling. Play aggressive, no more playing it safe. PLAY TO WIN.

Cutler will looks a lot better when Mike Bell is in there running the ball. 99 Drive was the best drive this season and could be the drive that defines the offense

[orinjkrush]

Am munching deep fried crow here. thought the cutler switch was akin to a hail mary pass on the season. so far its been amaaaazingly successful. even if we don't go far in the playoffs shanny (jay) has rescued the season. now we get a real right RT and a stud RDE/DT in the draft and trade for a stud CB and many of the holes are filled. IM often-wrong HO

[ozomulsion]

Not a word from Alec or Popps. I say it's thread revival time.

[Northman]

Not a word from Alec or Popps. I say it's thread revival time.


Im glad you brought it up. I was just waiting to see if they would show. But, it is xmas so maybe they are busy. Ha!

[BroncoInSkinland]

I'll take my crow medium rare. I held off on the Cutler switch far too long (I didnt call for him until after the first San Diego game). If we had started the season with him (and the vets hadn't revolted as a result) we would be at least 10-5 right now, maybe better, and San diego might be looking at a wildcard slot instead of us. Then again anyone who claims they "knew" the rookie would adapt this quickly in his first season is full of it.

[Northman]

I'll take my crow medium rare. I held off on the Cutler switch far too long (I didnt call for him until after the first San Diego game). If we had started the season with him (and the vets hadn't revolted as a result) we would be at least 10-5 right now, maybe better, and San diego might be looking at a wildcard slot instead of us. Then again anyone who claims they "knew" the rookie would adapt this quickly in his first season is full of it.


Actually, to his credit TJ was calling for the change way early and always has felt that Jay would do well early on.

[Taco John]

Not a word from Alec or Popps. I say it's thread revival time.

Plenty of Gems to bump in this thread... ;)

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=50632

[elsid13]

Plenty of Gems to bump in this thread... ;)

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=50632

In giving mood today, huh ???

[Taco John]

Actually, to his credit TJ was calling for the change way early and always has felt that Jay would do well early on.



I just think Shanahan is good at recognizing strengths and weaknesses and formulating a game plan around that. Look what he did for Jake Plummer. The real credit goes to Shanahan. I merely had faith in him to be able to manage the rookie and get the most out of him early on. Everybody knew Jay had talent.

[Odysseus]

Cutler and the rest of the team is playing well right now. What I have problem with is the darn play calling. Play aggressive, no more playing it safe. PLAY TO WIN.

They are probably going to continue playing scared. They could have put the Bengals away several times but wanted to stay the course. It's going to interesting to see to be sure.

[baja]

I think this should be a sticky for a few days.

[Kaylore]

I don't think it's fair to say that Cutler should have started at the beginning of the season. Shanahan waited a bit too long, but ultimately he did the right thing.

[Meck77]

I'm not eating any crow on this deal.

Me neither. My arguement all season long was that our issues were always deeper than the QB position. Those same issues still exist yet the majority of the blame was always put on Plummers back.

Props to Cutler for delivering the winbut I'm not so sure we wouldn't have 9 wins with Jake in the game either. I do think the arguement that Cutler can't do any worse than Plummer holds true though. I feel like it's the same Jake roller coaster from....Bone head interceptions, fumbles, to alright nice play! Cutler definetly has the deep ball threat over Plummer which is nice to see.

All I've ever cared about was a Broncos win. Loved seeing us win ugly with Jake and I love seeing us win ugly with Jay.

*edit* I do want to add that I will be pleasently surprised if we do make the playoffs with Jay. We'll see what happens with San Fran.

Go Broncos!

[smalltowngrll]

Sorry to those that think that we that need to eat our crow were behind. I guess the holidays, family and loved ones got in the way of eating crow! Geez... Ha!

Anyway, I am definitely one that was not happy with the timing of the change! We aren't in the Super bowl yet, but it's very nice to see our team get together and come back! hope that we can continue to take the NFL world by surprise....one game at a time!

[Paladin]

I agree with Mech. I won't eat crow because of my reservations about the switch. I am glad it seems to be working out as well as it has so far, and there is one more game to go. But I have been consistent in saying that the purpose of playing the game is to win.

I admit that I was perfectly willing to accept losses this year in order to see that Cutler gets ready for next year. If they make the playoffs, that'd be good. But the issues on this team are much deeper than the QB position. Cutler is providing a glimpse of a solution to that for the next few years.

However, I am enjoying the wins now, but I think yesterday's improbable win was remarkable because Cutler did not fold under the pressure. There were a couple of very good throws, but also a very lucky holding call and a PI call.

While I appreciate the offer, I am not going to eat the crow. I am a Broncos' fan, and I don't apologize for opinions.

[Northman]

I am a Broncos' fan, and I don't apologize for opinions.


I should have used this line all year when i was getting gang raped by the Jake Homers.

[smalltowngrll]

It's quite funny how those pro-switch feel they were being "gang raped" or whatever by those that were anti-switch....because that's exactly how we felt.

Geee...maybe it was a two way street? Ya think?

[Meck77]

i was getting gang raped by the Jake Homers.

Eh it's an online thing. People get all worked up on messageboards for whatever reason. You get in a parking lot/face to face with them and you just have to laugh at alot of it. Hell I even drank a beer with CrazyHo at a tailgate years ago.

[Northman]

It's quite funny how those pro-switch feel they were being "gang raped" or whatever by those that were anti-switch....because that's exactly how we felt.

Geee...maybe it was a two way street? Ya think?



I am a Broncos' fan, and I don't apologize for opinions.



Ha! ROFL! LOL

[smalltowngrll]

I am a Broncos' fan, and I don't apologize for opinions.



Ha! ROFL! LOL

Cheater!!! :giggle:

[Northman]

Cheater!!! :giggle:


:P

[-Slap-]

I really don't care about rubbing anyone's nose in it for being wrong. So utterly, totally and completely wrong.

I do think the jokers who accused this team of quitting look especially stupid right now.

[HEAV]

Jay has preformed better than I thought he would. He has a tendency to trust his arm a bit too much, but he has talent to build on.

TJ was correct is saying Jay's footwork has improved, in college he threw off his back foot alot. He still telegraph's throws and stares down a wideout. But those are rookie mistakes.

What many of us where saying is " Jay's starting wasn't for this season, it wasn't about winning in 2006-2007." Jay's starting for 2007-2008.

Shanny did throw in the towel has far as the AFC west goes. He knew he din't have the horses to get it done. Now he didn't say it in bold face text. But his statement of "Jay gives us the best chance to win" was more of a statement saying "Down the road in 2007"

Many on here felt Jay would solve all the Broncos issues of bad O-line, terrible D-line, and poor field postion/special teams play.

While Jay has played great (and I have enjoyed watching his delvelopment) he has proven that this team had more issues than QB play.

Tha'ts what many, myself included, where trying to tell all of you "Homers".

With a win against a good 49er's team the Broncos get in. But come on Baja, Do you really think this team is going to the Super Bowl?

I will eat my one piece of crow, just for the fact that I didn't think Jay was ready. But the team still has it's issues on both sides of the line.

[-Slap-]

Many on here felt Jay would solve all the Broncos issues of bad O-line, terrible D-line, and poor field postion/special teams play.

This contention is made constantly and never backed up with a shred of evidence.

[DBroncos4life]

nothing like starting a crow thread a week before we clinched anything. There is no reason that any given sunday couldn't happen next week against a improved 49ers team.

[Atlas]

While I appreciate the offer, I am not going to eat the crow. I am a Broncos' fan, and I don't apologize for opinions.


Eating crow isn't apologizing it's admiting that you were wrong.....

[mhgaffney]

What an arm this kid has. Wow.

That throw to Marshall was a hummer. I'm still amazed.

What a great place to be -- no pressure now at all, since no one expects a rookie to do well in the playoffs.

It'll be fun to see how far Cutler can carry the team...

[Bronx33]

What an arm this kid has. Wow.

That throw to Marshall was a hummer. I'm still amazed.

What a great place to be -- no pressure now at all, since no one expects a rookie to do well in the playoffs.

It'll be fun to see how far Cutler can carry the team...


That short throw to sheff for the TD needed some gas on it with that tight coverage (and he got it there) the defender was millimeters from getting a hand on it or picking it. (that throw really impressed me) alot of rookies probably would have played it safe and lead the reciever trying to avoid the INT. If plummer would have been the QB on that pass i guarantee it gets knocked down or picked.

[baja]

Jay has preformed better than I thought he would. He has a tendency to trust his arm a bit too much, but he has talent to build on.

TJ was correct is saying Jay's footwork has improved, in college he threw off his back foot alot. He still telegraph's throws and stares down a wideout. But those are rookie mistakes.

What many of us where saying is " Jay's starting wasn't for this season, it wasn't about winning in 2006-2007." Jay's starting for 2007-2008.

Shanny did throw in the towel has far as the AFC west goes. He knew he din't have the horses to get it done. Now he didn't say it in bold face text. But his statement of "Jay gives us the best chance to win" was more of a statement saying "Down the road in 2007"

Many on here felt Jay would solve all the Broncos issues of bad O-line, terrible D-line, and poor field postion/special teams play.

While Jay has played great (and I have enjoyed watching his delvelopment) he has proven that this team had more issues than QB play.

Tha'ts what many, myself included, where trying to tell all of you "Homers".

With a win against a good 49er's team the Broncos get in.<b> But come on Baja, Do you really think this team is going to the Super Bowl?</b>

I will eat my one piece of crow, just for the fact that I didn't think Jay was ready. But the team still has it's issues on both sides of the line.

I'll say this HEV Cutler gives us a much better chance to go all the way than Plummer did, that said when we get into the playoffs it's a new season and Denver has a nice mix of vets and youth with a great playoff coach in Shanahan so who knows. I do know this much I am enjoying watching my broncos a great deal more with Jay "Rocket Man" Cutler leading the team. How about you?

[Northman]

That short throw to sheff for the TD needed some gas on it with that tight coverage (and he got it there) the defender was millimeters from getting a hand on it or picking it. (that throw really impressed me) alot of rookies probably would have played it safe and lead the reciever trying to avoid the INT. If plummer would have been the QB on that pass i guarantee it gets knocked down or picked.


No doubt in my mind that is a pick 6 for the Bengals if Jake throws that pass. I was looking at it already thinking it would be intercepted but i was in true disbelief at how fast that ball got to the TE. Simply Amazing.

[Northman]

nothing like starting a crow thread a week before we clinched anything. There is no reason that any given sunday couldn't happen next week against a improved 49ers team.



Throwing in the towel already?

[orange 4 life]

Well step up guys C R O W is served.

im right here, and though ive thoroughly enjoyed watching the rookie progress, i havent changed my mind.

you think the fact that we won a couple games (the last one a game the defense and special teams REALLY tried to give away at the end) should make me eat crow?

do you think we're gonna win it all?
i dont, and i didnt at 7-4 either.

i also dont think SHANAHAN thought we had much of a chance (if any), so at that point you get your rookie the reps that will help him next year, and you also take the heat off yourself for the fact that this team (apart from the qb issue) once again didnt have the championship caliber defense (which we saw AGAIN yesterday) to go all the way.

i just hope we get the missing pieces in here this offseason (mainly being another playmaker on offense and a couple d-linemen that can pressure a qb) or it wont make any difference who plays qb.

go broncos. go jay cutler. :thumbsup:

jake

[Broncos4tw]

As far as the SB goes, there is no way that Jake Plummer was going to play four consecutive, solid games to win a SB, I know this much. We probably won't win it with Jay either, but our chances our better imo. So the right choice at least in this case, of putting Jay in, was the right one.

[DBroncos4life]

Throwing in the towel already?

no, but I see the 49ers or anyother team in the NFL as a give me game. If we do lose to the 9ers and we don't make the playoffs then in my eyes its a lost season. I've always believed no matter how much better a team is then yours in the playoffs its a new season and anything can happen. Just look at Pitt last year. The only way you can win the SB is by getting into the playoffs first. So till we beat the 49ers I think we should quite the crow talk.

[Odysseus]

TJ was correct is saying Jay's footwork has improved, in college he threw off his back foot alot. He still telegraph's throws and stares down a wideout. But those are rookie mistakes.

I remember at least 20 die hard Plummer fans pretty much jumping ship after the Raiders game and who could blame them with 3 Plummer interceptions on the much hated and mediocre Raiders team. I can only recall a handful of fans who wanted Plummer to start.

I think Cutler looks off the defense better than Plummer does when he executes.

Cutler always goes for the big play leaving a lot of underneath stuff open but when he went to the sidelines that big crap eating grin Shanahan had spoke volumes. Look at Shanahan's response to Plummer earlier this season. REALLY kind of obvious when the coach is rolling his eyes.

I wonder if Cutler is going to learn to be the holder for Jason Elam in the off season?

I still say the longer that Cutler stayed on the bench the better. Leinhart is now nursing injuries. There is tape on Vince Young. Whose going to stop Cutler? Teams don't really know what he can do? The Broncos needed a spark. How big a spark is a 90 yard drive? Shanahan knew the kid was ready weeks ago. It drive me nuts that fans don't get that.

Raiders and KC have no game experience against Cutler.

Early in the season I wanted Plummer to stick around but at this point I would rather him start play somewhere else. Thing change during the season. I think Shanny did the right thing for the team. Anyone who thinks this change was some sudden whim by Shanahan is missing the whole point.

[Kaylore]

This contention is made constantly and never backed up with a shred of evidence.

It was a myth invented by Plummer supporters so they could pretend they are still right about something.

[Odysseus]

This contention is made constantly and never backed up with a shred of evidence.

It is presumed. Not ALL Cutlerists are intelligent posters. Some are impatient little kids who want a new toy to play with. It is a general statement referring specific to stupid posters not the posters like TJ, yourself and Kaylore who actually know more than a few cute phrases.

The problem I have with Cutlerists is they are assuming they know more than the coach. I wish there was a posted statistic of how many times fans were wrong about what Shanahan is doing or not doing. I loved the draft threads in particular. Priceless.

[wabbit]

After the Rams game to open the season, I was angry we just gave away a game...again.

I didn't lay it on Plummer altogether, although he played terribly.

Aftr racking up a whopping 9 points on an average Kansas City team at home, I became really concerned the New England game the next week would be a debacle.

I was equally concerned that something was seriously wrong with the play-calling & execution...thinking the absence of Kubiak was to blame...not so much Jake...although he was still playing awful football.

Plummer played well against New England...I still can't figure out how the Broncos performed so damned well...almost flawlessly, but, hell, I'll take it.

I thought; "ok, back on track, great defense...on a roll", although that Rams game still pi**ed me off.

Plummer stumbled through a win over Baltimore...another game I'm sure would burn out logic circuits in a Madden '06 re-run.

The guy is struggling badly & I'm absolutely positive it's the coaching, play-calling, tough opponents...whatever...not Plummer, although he was playing terribly.

The Broncos barely sneaks by an absolutely God-awful Raiders team & back-doors a Browns franchise desperate for anything...even a good showing.

Jake showed up to play Indy, but his stats...despite the QB rating were still mediocre.

Shanahan tried double reverses, weird running plays out of the shotgun, shovel passes, short outs...hell, I came to believe he would've wired tiny speakers in Jakes helmet singing skip-to-my-lou-my-darling & half-time acupunctures if it would've worked.

It just wasn't there...maybe Kubiak would've made a positive difference...we'll never know.

...and so the Jay Cutler era is here...for some it's a deliverance equivalent to Moses leaving Egypt...without that damned Pharaoh.

To me it's failure in the truest sense.

A staff looking ahead when the immediate future was within the ranks. A failure of Plummer to deliver under whatever circumstances he was given...he's a ten year vet for cryin' out loud.

Shanahan wanted to play 'his' game, and now he can.

The square peg just exited the round hole...see ya Jake.

[youcandoit1687]

well i was in the wait 1-2 years boat in preseason and up until probably cleveland game, changed to, if he plays this bad against indy, put in cutler, played well against indy and pitt, give him a couple more game, bad game against raiders, whatever, typical jake, but that SD game was intolerable. we were so close and he couldnt get anything done, that is when i began to want cutler. i thought he would have a similar TD-INT ratio to plummer but would atleast take defenders outta the box with his long throws and would be learning. i underestimated his quick learning, great accuracy, and leadership abilities. he has brought out the best in marshall and scheffler for sure, maybe others.

[Blueflame]

Good post, Wabbit. In short, Plummer needed to either play better (as we all know he's capable of doing) or take the clipboard and a seat on the bench and let someone else do it.

Seriously, did anyone really believe Shanahan would be content... indefinitely... with the pedestrian numbers Plummer was putting up? I certainly didn't. If we fans were frustrated by the early-season offensive impotence, it had to have been a lot more so for Shanahan.

[Odysseus]

To me it's failure in the truest sense.

A staff looking ahead when the immediate future was within the ranks. A failure of Plummer to deliver under whatever circumstances he was given...he's a ten year vet for cryin' out loud.

Shanahan wanted to play 'his' game, and now he can.

The square peg just exited the round hole...see ya Jake.

Broncos are doing the right thing structuring their team goals around the league rules. You cannot beat city hall although the Broncos have played both sides of that coin and won. Heck. You could argue the Broncos are city hall on some issues.

We got out of Jake exactly what the Arizona fans warned us we would get out of Jake. They all called Jake a tease.

Shanahan drafting Cutler gets him an "all is forgiven" passkey but if he had flinched on the Cutler deal odds are Shanahan would be under the same microscope that Jake drags even his fans under.

What is your take on Dinger this year? McPherson? Are the Broncos talking to Patterson about his defensive line schemes? What impact did Slowik (both of them) make this year?

[ORANGEJARHEAD]

Good post, Wabbit. In short, Plummer needed to either play better (as we all know he's capable of doing) or take the clipboard and a seat on the bench and let someone else do it.

Seriously, did anyone really believe Shanahan would be content... indefinitely... with the pedestrian numbers Plummer was putting up? I certainly didn't. If we fans were frustrated by the early-season offensive impotence, it had to have been a lot more so for Shanahan.

You could just look at Shanahan on the sidelines and tell he wished he could open up the offense, ie put Cutler in. I think, and this is only my opinion that Plummer let the pressure of a rocket armed drop back passer waiting in the wings get to him. He heard the proverbial footsteps.

[Blueflame]

You could just look at Shanahan on the sidelines and tell he wished he could open up the offense, ie put Cutler in. I think, and this is only my opinion that Plummer let the pressure of a rocket armed drop back passer waiting in the wings get to him. He heard the proverbial footsteps.

The very fact that the team moved up in the draft to acquire Cutler spoke volumes regarding Shanahan's assessment of Plummer, as did the timing (just a couple of months after Plummer had finished a playoff season in which he personally put up some of the best numbers of his career and led the team to the AFC Championship game). The message was clear that Shanahan's goal was (and still is) another Lombardi and he was no longer convinced that Plummer could achieve that goal. Cutler was always going to take the starting job... it was only a matter of time.

[Northman]

The very fact that the team moved up in the draft to acquire Cutler spoke volumes regarding Shanahan's assessment of Plummer, as did the timing (just a couple of months after Plummer had finished a playoff season in which he personally put up some of the best numbers of his career and led the team to the AFC Championship game). The message was clear that Shanahan's goal was (and still is) another Lombardi and he was no longer convinced that Plummer could achieve that goal. Cutler was always going to take the starting job... it was only a matter of time.



Exactly. No matter how bad the defense played in the AFCCG the turnovers by Jake was a real concern for Shanahan. So with his opportunity in the draft he took the future at Qb instead of a DE or RB figuring he might get lucky later in the draft with those. Now that he knows he has a Qb who can sling it and comprehend the playbook better he is most likely going to concentrate on other areas on the team.

[-Slap-]

It is presumed. Not ALL Cutlerists are intelligent posters. Some are impatient little kids who want a new toy to play with. It is a general statement referring specific to stupid posters not the posters like TJ, yourself and Kaylore who actually know more than a few cute phrases.

The problem I have with Cutlerists is they are assuming they know more than the coach. I wish there was a posted statistic of how many times fans were wrong about what Shanahan is doing or not doing. I loved the draft threads in particular. Priceless.

That's the point, Tiger. Shanahan was going to get ripped no matter which decision he made. That's one reason being an NFL head coach is such an emotional meat grinder.

I wanted Cutler after week two, but Shanahan was probably right that it would have been too soon. I was screaming for Cutler after week six and I still believe that would have been the best time to make the change.

I will always love Shanahan, but I will not always agree with him. Good lord, the man made me endure four years of Brian Griese and I still think he's the best coach in pro sports. If that's not true love, I defy you to provide a better example.

[Odysseus]

That's the point, Tiger. Shanahan was going to get ripped no matter which decision he made. That's one reason being an NFL head coach is such an emotional meat grinder.

I wanted Cutler after week two, but Shanahan was probably right that it would have been too soon. I was screaming for Cutler after week six and I still believe that would have been the best time to make the change.

I will always love Shanahan, but I will not always agree with him. Good lord, the man made me endure four years of Brian Griese and I still think he's the best coach in pro sports. If that's not true love, I defy you to provide a better example.

Plummer pissed me off the whole time I was defending him. He knew his fate and really never dealt well with it. Plummer didn't like the limitations that Shanahan fairly or unfairly imposed of him. Plummer will never admit it but he was cornered and on some levels stopped caring.

The players were with Plummer early but as time wore on they realized no amount of "happy talk" was fixing thing. Walker wanted Cutler out there. Rod Smith defended Plummer. Talk about a team that needs a group hug.

Shanahan has a lot of flaws but there isn't a coach in the NFL that I would prefer ahead of him. He has to deal with an incredible amount of administrative tedium but the stability that he brings to the team is creating a type of atmosphere that is rare in NFL lockerrooms and similar to the traditions that WERE in Green Bay are something to be very proud of.

[Meck77]

Shanahan has a lot of flaws but there isn't a coach in the NFL that I would prefer ahead of him.f.

Me neither. That's the reason I figured Cutler wasn't ready. People were screaming for Jake's head at various points of the season but the end of the day none of what we say matters.

Eh a couple wins and everyone is happy. Well most everyone.

[elsid13]

Me neither. That's the reason I figured Cutler wasn't ready. People were screaming for Jake's head at various points of the season but the end of the day none of what we say matters.

Eh a couple wins and everyone is happy. Well most everyone.

Problem around here, is that some folks sometimes think it does.... That why you cannot take this stuff to seriously it just a talk about football and isn't a policy question that will send folks off to die.

[OrangeShadow]

this place is going to look like the movie birds with all this crow

[Rigs11]

Meh. I'm still here.It's funny cuz during the 2 games Cutler lost all we kept hearing was "the season is over anyways, let the kid get some reps". Now that we win 2 it's "where are you all shanny bashers"? What do you guys want? An internet posting award? Shanny took a chance, a big one. I'm glad it worked out, but if you yahoos want some recognition you're a bunch of idiots.

[baja]

Meh. I'm still here.It's funny cuz during the 2 games Cutler lost all we kept hearing was "the season is over anyways, let the kid get some reps". Now that we win 2 it's "where are you all shanny bashers"? What do you guys want? An internet posting award? Shanny took a chance, a big one. I'm glad it worked out, but if you yahoos want some recognition you're a bunch of idiots.

Now there's a new angle.

[Cito Pelon]

I'm not gonna serve myself any C R O W, although I supported Jake through the first half of the season. I thought it was the appropriate thing to do. He was catching enough crap, no need for me to pile on. Not to mention Jay probably had to have some time to acclimate himself to the staff, vets, and the NFL in general. Myself, I wanted to see Jay start at KC on turkey day.

[RunSilentRunDeep]

I think everyone agreed Cutler was going to be a star at some point. But I'm not sure how a 2-2 record proves anything. Let's face it, if the defense doesn't create four turnovers yesterday, Denver loses. Jay was lucky not to get picked a couple more times and couldn't get a drive going in the 4th to ice it. Brandon Marshall saved his butt with the incredible catch on the sidelines.

I agree the change has made Shanahan more aggressive, which was desperately needed, but I think the team's record would be the same had Jake remained the starter.

[Cito Pelon]

What is your take on Dinger this year? McPherson? Are the Broncos talking to Patterson about his defensive line schemes? What impact did Slowik (both of them) make this year?

The team can't play a zone D worth a damn. And if I rememver right there are 2 DL coaches. Might have too many coaches on D.

[Rigs11]

I think everyone agreed Cutler was going to be a star at some point. But I'm not sure how a 2-2 record proves anything. Let's face it, if the defense doesn't create four turnovers yesterday, Denver loses. Jay was lucky not to get picked a couple more times and couldn't get a drive going in the 4th to ice it. Brandon Marshall saved his butt with the incredible catch on the sidelines.

I agree the change has made Shanahan more aggressive, which was desperately needed, but I think the team's record would be the same had Jake remained the starter.
If Plummer would have played like Cutler yesterday people would have been screaming for his head.

[baja]

If Plummer would have played like Cutler yesterday people would have been screaming for his head.

Plummer could not play like Cutler unless he was given the Bionic man operation

[ozomulsion]

If Plummer would have played like Cutler yesterday people would have been screaming for his head.

What world are you living in?

[ozomulsion]

That TD pass to Walker was great. That TD bullet to Sheffler is a throw Plummer has never and will never make. I think you've spent a little to much time in the Politics forum Riggs.

[Dudeskey]

Well step up guys C R O W is served.

I'm right here, cockbites, I haven't gone anywhere... Pass the Tabasco while you're at it

[Cito Pelon]

. . . . . . . . . .Shanahan has a lot of flaws but there isn't a coach in the NFL that I would prefer ahead of him. He has to deal with an incredible amount of administrative tedium but the stability that he brings to the team is creating a type of atmosphere that is rare in NFL lockerrooms and similar to the traditions that WERE in Green Bay are something to be very proud of.

Ahh, I don't have the love you and Slap have for the guy. He hasn't accomplished jack in years. His teams have been uncompetitive in the playoffs for seven consecutive years. That sends up a red flag to me, and there may be stability, but getting smoked in the playoffs years after year after year isn't so great to me. I'm not a guy that demands a League Title year after year, but if you make the playoffs I think the best HC's at least can win one game and can compete even in losses.

[Rigs11]

Plummer could not play like Cutler unless he was given the Bionic man operation

Really? 12/23 for 179yds,2TD and a pick?

[Rigs11]

That TD pass to Walker was great. That TD bullet to Sheffler is a throw Plummer has never and will never make. I think you've spent a little to much time in the Politics forum Riggs.

The real one. You can pop boners over pretty passes all you want. I care about wins.By the way the first pass from scrimmage sure was a beauty. I agree that Cutler is getting better with each game but let's keep things in perspective here.

[baja]

Really? 12/23 for 179yds,2TD and a pick?

Honestly do you really think Plummer could have completed either of those TD passes. It's really not in the numbers ya know.

[Cito Pelon]

If Plummer would have played like Cutler yesterday people would have been screaming for his head.

Probably not. Cutler makes so many plays downfield, ya gotta love that.

[Play2win]

I wanted CUTLER in there (starting) as soon as possible, but was very content just to know that Shanahan had a "Plan B" in place.

[Circle Orange]

Well, let's not dance in the streets just yet. http://scosoft.com/s/a/2ade1aab.gif I still say wait and see how this plays out...the NFL grinds down 'instant heroes' quick. And it may yet prove to be a dopey move by Shanny.

That being said, how much are super bowl tickets this year? ;D

[Atlas]

I think everyone agreed Cutler was going to be a star at some point. But I'm not sure how a 2-2 record proves anything. Let's face it, if the defense doesn't create four turnovers yesterday, Denver loses. Jay was lucky not to get picked a couple more times and couldn't get a drive going in the 4th to ice it. Brandon Marshall saved his butt with the incredible catch on the sidelines.

I agree the change has made Shanahan more aggressive, which was desperately needed, but I think the team's record would be the same had Jake remained the starter.

The 2-2 record isn't at issue here. What's at issue is that Cutler is outperforming anything Plummer did all year. The move to Cutler was the right thing to do no matter what Denver's record is since.

[Blueflame]

Really? 12/23 for 179yds,2TD and a pick?

Plummer threw 2 or more TD passes in only 3 of his 11 games. His average was 16/29 for 181 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT.... in a one-point win, that "extra" touchdown is the difference between the "W" column and the "L"...

[Dr.5280]

I know what the thought process is, but its a slippery slope. First of all you can't let people inside your organization think losing is acceptable under any circumstances. And, who knows what kind of hand you get dealt next year. What if we have 3 or 4 catastrophic injuries to guys like Champ and Cutler? At some point you have to win now and overcome adversity. At some point you have to learn to win with the guys you have on the field and not pine for what you can get with one more off season of improvements.

The lessons this team is learning on the field -- and I don't mean Cutler -- are far more valuable than drafting 5 or 8 picks higher. Learning to play together, to have confidence in the guy next to your, overcoming adversity, and being mentally tough are invaluable lessons to building a championship organization. You just can't quit and wait until next season because every time you have adversity you will just say "get em next year".

that in essence is what winning is about. I was all for leaving plummer in the game for higher draft picks. I want better line play on both sides of the ball. However, you go to the dance with what ya got. Then you tell everyone how much fun it was.

[Taco John]

If Plummer would have played like Cutler yesterday people would have been screaming for his head.



If Plummer would have played like Cutler yesterday, we woudn't have needed to draft another quarterback. Personally, I think the Bengals blow us out if Plummer was starting that game. He just doesn't have the downfield quick strike ability that Cutler has.

[watermock]

that in essence is what winning is about. I was all for leaving plummer in the game for higher draft picks. I want better line play on both sides of the ball. However, you go to the dance with what ya got. Then you tell everyone how much fun it was.


"I was all for leaving Plummer in the game for higher draft picks"

LOSER

WTW, Plummer wasn't "Pulled". He was replaced as the starter.

[Atlas]

If Plummer would have played like Cutler yesterday people would have been screaming for his head.

Plummer had only played that well, maybe three times this whole year. The Pats, Colts and Steelers game.

[HEAV]

If Plummer would have played like Cutler yesterday, we woudn't have needed to draft another quarterback. Personally, I think the Bengals blow us out if Plummer was starting that game. He just doesn't have the downfield quick strike ability that Cutler has.



I think the Bengals blow us out if Carson had played the entire game the way he played the last drive.

[clarkster]

are we crowning the kid as the next great one already? seriously, the game i saw wasnt denver beating cincy, it was cincy doing a good enough job of that on their own. anyone here thinks denver won that game hands down is on some designer ****.

with that said, he has a good arm, and he made some pretty good throws, a couple that had me going "holy ****, i cant believe he even tried that"

looks good thus far, but i hate to use that game or the AZ game as the bench mark of greatness here.

[RunSilentRunDeep]

The 2-2 record isn't at issue here. What's at issue is that Cutler is outperforming anything Plummer did all year. The move to Cutler was the right thing to do no matter what Denver's record is since.

What? The record isn't the issue? I thought this thread was about throwing the season away. If the Jags and Chiefs don't go into the tank, the Broncos are on the outside looking in.

Saying "Cutler is outperforming anything Plummer did all year" is nonsense. Plummer's performance at Pittsburgh was the best game from a QB the Broncos had all season. The Indy and NE games were also better than Cutler yesterday. Jay completed one pass in the 4th quarter Sunday. That's not setting the bar high.

Try to separate the style points from the actual production.

[elsid13]

I think the Bengals blow us out if Carson had played the entire game the way he played the last drive.

That not giving the defense any credit for most of the game. 4 turnover and aggresive punishing hits by Lynch set the tone earlier. I will give you the 1 INT was on Palmer, but the two fumbles and Champ pick were the defense making the plays. Add into the fact that 85 was basically a non-factor says something. The pressure was on both teams, and Denver played a clean game unlike the Bengals.

[OrangeShadow]

That not giving the defense any credit for most of the game. 4 turnover and aggresive punishing hits by Lynch set the tone earlier. I will give you the 1 INT was on Palmer, but the two fumbles and Champ pick were the defense making the plays. Add into the fact that 85 was basically a no-factor says something. The pressure was on both teams, and Denver played a clean game unlike the Bengals.

talking sense into HEAV is like trying to teach TO to act classy.

[-Slap-]

I think the Bengals blow us out if Carson had played the entire game the way he played the last drive.

Oh, is that how it works now?

I think if Elway played his entire career like he did on The Drive, we would have won about a dozen more Super Bowls.

[Rigs11]

Plummer had only played that well, maybe three times this whole year. The Pats, Colts and Steelers game.

yeah and you were all screaming for his head.

[Rigs11]

If Plummer would have played like Cutler yesterday, we woudn't have needed to draft another quarterback. Personally, I think the Bengals blow us out if Plummer was starting that game. He just doesn't have the downfield quick strike ability that Cutler has.

he played better in the steelers game and people around here were screaming for him to be benched. it doesn't really matter, I think Cutler is progressing nicely. I just hate the idiots around here that proclaim cutler is so much better and somehow want apologies. Cutler has showed me little in his 2-2 record. yes he can throw the ball well but he also throws it up for grabs alot and fumbles.He will be great, but all the knobslobbering around here is making me sick.

[Taco John]

The only thing that matters is that Cutler has shown that he's better than Plummer. Everything else is a wash.

Shanahan wasn't throwing away the season, like some want us to beleive. He was saving it.

[-Slap-]

yeah and you were all screaming for his head.

Goddamn right. I've never seen any pro athlete tank as badly as Jake did this year. It was utterly disgraceful.

[bendog]

Goddamn right. I've never seen any pro athlete tank as badly as Jake did this year. It was utterly disgraceful.

It's the one thing that surprised me, honestly. I figured the broncs go 11-5 but w/o much ground attack. For this team to be on the verge of 10-6 and a WC with the performance of Jake ... amazing. I really thought Jake was stronger mentally than he showed. He's really screwed himself too. Assuming Den does trade him, his value is way down, and a top talent team needing a qb is gonna be very leery. I'd think Hou or some place like Phoenix where he's a emergency option in case Lionheart craps out is his likely fate.

[TheDave]

Funny thing is about the Cutlerists (myself included) he is playing significantly better than anyone expected. Well, anyone who isn't currently wearring the foam horse head while posting. This kid is so far ahead of the curve it is unbelievable. Now i realize that "I told you so" and "serving up plates of crow" are message board staples but i think its time for everyone to admit that Plummer played worse than anyone imagined and Cutler has played better than we imagined... From my point of view, no crow needed.

[alkemical]

Funny thing is about the Cutlerists (myself included) he is playing significantly better than anyone expected. Well, anyone who isn't currently wearring the foam horse head while posting. This kid is so far ahead of the curve it is unbelievable. Now i realize that "I told you so" and "serving up plates of crow" are message board staples but i think its time for everyone to admit that Plummer played worse than anyone imagined and Cutler has played better than we imagined... From my point of view, no crow needed.


All is right in the world....

[Taco John]

Man, I'm going to say that this is about what I expected from Cutler all along. I never bought the idea that a rookie can't come in and execute. Especially a rookie with his talent playing under Shanahan, who does a damn good job of playing to his quarterback's strengths and weaknesses. The reason I was calling for Cutler this year wasn't because I hated Jake. It was always about winning to me. I believed then, as I do now, that Cutler gives us the best chance to win in any given game.

The proof is in the posts that I had before the pre-season, when I was saying that Jake gave us the best chance to win this season, and that Cutler would never see the field. Before we got an opportunity to see Cutler in action, I had fully expected Jake to be our starter through the entire thing. But once we got a chance to see Cutler in the preseason and what his arm was capable of, I quickly changed my mind. It became clear to me that Cutler had the ability to open up our offense and keep a defense off balance, rookie or not.

I don't buy the idea that I was being a homer. Cutler's ability to stretch the field opens up the offense and makes it unpredictable. This benefits everybody from our runningbacks to our defense.

[Rigs11]

Goddamn right. I've never seen any pro athlete tank as badly as Jake did this year. It was utterly disgraceful.

Yeah you try and train your replacement at work and still be all gung ho to do a great job.:thumbsup: I know i know we couldn't pass up on the kid.

[wolf754life]

If you didn't realize it after week 1, when the RAMS, of all people came out with the AFC championship game blue print, then you never would understand why plummer was cooked.
Evey D coordinator studied that film all spring/summer. Licking their chops for ol #16!

NFL teams know how to beat the MISTAKE. lots of pressure, stack the box, take away the boot, play man cover, get in his face! he will crack!

that is definitely not going to work on cutler, the first time he hits you deep for 60 yds you back the **** off!

A dawn of a new day in the city that is a mile high!

Cutler and Shanny will have us competing for the next 12 years!

[-Slap-]

Brees did it. Kitna did it. Its not impossible.

[Northman]

he played better in the steelers game and people around here were screaming for him to be benched. it doesn't really matter, I think Cutler is progressing nicely. I just hate the idiots around here that proclaim cutler is so much better and somehow want apologies. Cutler has showed me little in his 2-2 record. yes he can throw the ball well but he also throws it up for grabs alot and fumbles.He will be great, but all the knobslobbering around here is making me sick.



He is a FVCKING rookie you dip****! Of course he is going to make those mistakes. Good lord, your a idiot.

[bendog]

Well, Cutlett got to sit for 3/4 of the season and watch Jake get filleted (I think that's the word(-:) by the media. Rightfully so.

It's not hindsight to remark that after the Pitts debacle, worse than the Jax loss imo, a lot of us and shanny realized the odds were Jake wasn't the guy. There was the chance for Cutlett, so shanny ok'd sundquist's moves. But Jake got a year to prove them wrong. True, we're weaker at TB and TE than last year, but Jake has just plain choked. I'm surprised. I really am. Not at cutlett. He seems to be about where I thought he could be at season's end. But, he starts in week one, he might have made more boneheaded plays than Jake. Jake just seemed more ineffective than an improvised explosive device rookie QB

[ORANGEJARHEAD]

he played better in the steelers game and people around here were screaming for him to be benched. it doesn't really matter, I think Cutler is progressing nicely. I just hate the idiots around here that proclaim cutler is so much better and somehow want apologies. Cutler has showed me little in his 2-2 record. yes he can throw the ball well but he also throws it up for grabs alot and fumbles.He will be great, but all the knobslobbering around here is making me sick.

Rookie mistakes. He doesn't repeat his mistakes from what I saw. Most of the mistakes in the Bengals game looked to me like the natural progression of a rookie QB with a rocket arm. Elway made a lot of the same mistakes, trying to force balls into coverage, not to mention Farve.

Hindsight is 20/20, and I think we're better now.

[Rigs11]

He is a f***ING rookie you dip****! Of course he is going to make those mistakes. Good lord, your a idiot.

Easy internet tough guy.Him being a rookie is exactly why we didn't want the change.But you guys kept saying that he would be so much better. 2-2 ain't saying much. yes he looks good but not great.You guys always come up with the rookie crap and fail to realize that that's what we were saying all along.By the way it's 'you're' not 'your'.... idiot.

[Northman]

Easy internet tough guy.Him being a rookie is exactly why we didn't want the change.But you guys kept saying that he would be so much better. 2-2 ain't saying much. yes he looks good but not great.You guys always come up with the rookie crap and fail to realize that that's what we were saying all along.By the way it's 'you're' not 'your'.... idiot.


Jay's numbers for his first 4 games are already better than Jake's first 4 this year. So your wrong and a complete idiot.

[Taco John]

Easy internet tough guy.Him being a rookie is exactly why we didn't want the change.But you guys kept saying that he would be so much better. 2-2 ain't saying much. yes he looks good but not great.You guys always come up with the rookie crap and fail to realize that that's what we were saying all along.By the way it's 'you're' not 'your'.... idiot.



He *is* so much better. This isn't even a contest anymore.

[alkemical]

The exchange between Rigs11 & Anubis make me laugh at all the ****ers that say the WRP room is so bad.

Exact same behaviour "up" here.

LOL

Sorry i found the irony - and i do not want to hijack the thread.

FNORD

[Northman]

The exchange between Rigs11 & Anubis make me laugh at all the ****ers that say the WRP room is so bad.

Exact same behaviour "up" here.

LOL

Sorry i found the irony - and i do not want to hijack the thread.

FNORD


Our little exchange is nothing. Not even close to the garbage that gets spewed in the WRP room.

[Rigs11]

Jay's numbers for his first 4 games are already better than Jake's first 4 this year. So your wrong and a complete idiot.

You should be a coach.Today we salute you Internet forum board genius guy...

[Northman]

You should be a coach.Today we salute you Internet forum board genius guy...


Thank you. Glad you can finally admit it. Now move along little chap. :thumbs:

[Rigs11]

Our little exchange is nothing. Not even close to the garbage that gets spewed in the WRP room.

True dat. I try not to call anyone names though...unless they do first;D

[smalltowngrll]

Why are we still debating this?? It's all old news. What's done is done...who really cares who was right or wrong...except for those of you that want to fill your egos ...but, it's really pointless at this point! ;D

[Northman]

Why are we still debating this?? It's all old news. What's done is done...who really cares who was right or wrong...except for those of you that want to fill your egos ...but, it's really pointless at this point! ;D



Is there a point to your point here? !Booya!

[smalltowngrll]

Is there a point to your point here? !Booya!

it's all pointless... That's what I'm trying to point out! Am I making my point? ;)

[KipCorrington25]

Where is the douche bag that had the in depth breakdown on Cutler's mechanics and that he "throws off his back foot."

[Northman]

it's all pointless... That's what I'm trying to point out! Am I making my point? ;)



Good Point. Ha!

[Pendejo]

He *is* so much better. This isn't even a contest anymore.

No kidding. You'd think the difference in the amount of points the team is putting up with Cutler running things as opposed to Plummer would really drive that home. Something like 25.2 (Cutler) to 17.7 (Plummer). It's the same personnel aside from the rookies who are beginning to emerge with #6 under center.

[alkemical]

Our little exchange is nothing. Not even close to the garbage that gets spewed in the WRP room.

Sure whatever you say boss -

I said i'm not going to hijack this thread - so i will just snicker to myself.

[elsid13]

Heck under Cutler were are discovering there are TEs and 3rd WR on the team. For a while there I thought Denver was playing with 9 to 10 guys.

[Northman]

Sure whatever you say boss -

I said i'm not going to hijack this thread - so i will just snicker to myself.



Bye.

[Pendejo]

Why are we still debating this?? It's all old news. What's done is done...who really cares who was right or wrong...except for those of you that want to fill your egos ...but, it's really pointless at this point! ;D

Didn't you go on the "Record". Why would you do that unless you cared who was right or wrong?

http://orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=49404&highlight=sassy+stg+chat

tee hee hee hee

[smalltowngrll]

Didn't you go on the "Record". Why would you do that unless you cared who was right or wrong?

http://orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=49404&highlight=sassy+stg+chat

tee hee hee hee



UGH! Hey now...I stated my peace earlier.

BTW...I still like Jake~! :~ohyah!: :P

[chawknz]

I was listening to Sirius NFL channel this afternoon on my way to work when they took a caller who felt it "it was a mistake to put Cutler in so late".

5 minutes later I was wiping Pepsi off my windshield.

[youcandoit1687]

Man, I'm going to say that this is about what I expected from Cutler all along. I never bought the idea that a rookie can't come in and execute. Especially a rookie with his talent playing under Shanahan, who does a damn good job of playing to his quarterback's strengths and weaknesses. The reason I was calling for Cutler this year wasn't because I hated Jake. It was always about winning to me. I believed then, as I do now, that Cutler gives us the best chance to win in any given game.

The proof is in the posts that I had before the pre-season, when I was saying that Jake gave us the best chance to win this season, and that Cutler would never see the field. Before we got an opportunity to see Cutler in action, I had fully expected Jake to be our starter through the entire thing. But once we got a chance to see Cutler in the preseason and what his arm was capable of, I quickly changed my mind. It became clear to me that Cutler had the ability to open up our offense and keep a defense off balance, rookie or not.

I don't buy the idea that I was being a homer. Cutler's ability to stretch the field opens up the offense and makes it unpredictable. This benefits everybody from our runningbacks to our defense.


yep, TJ was right from the get-go. its all what-ifs to wonder what would have happened if we had gone with cutler from the beginning but at this point there is speculation that it could have turned out better. when TJ mentioned this, just about everyone here said that cutler needed atleast one year of waiting. gradually, more hopped onto TJ's side. TJ, great call by you man. :notworthy all that said, what other predictions/insights you got for us?

[Cito Pelon]

Man, I'm going to say that this is about what I expected from Cutler all along. I never bought the idea that a rookie can't come in and execute. Especially a rookie with his talent playing under Shanahan, who does a damn good job of playing to his quarterback's strengths and weaknesses. The reason I was calling for Cutler this year wasn't because I hated Jake. It was always about winning to me. I believed then, as I do now, that Cutler gives us the best chance to win in any given game.

The proof is in the posts that I had before the pre-season, when I was saying that Jake gave us the best chance to win this season, and that Cutler would never see the field. Before we got an opportunity to see Cutler in action, I had fully expected Jake to be our starter through the entire thing. But once we got a chance to see Cutler in the preseason and what his arm was capable of, I quickly changed my mind. It became clear to me that Cutler had the ability to open up our offense and keep a defense off balance, rookie or not.

I don't buy the idea that I was being a homer. Cutler's ability to stretch the field opens up the offense and makes it unpredictable. This benefits everybody from our runningbacks to our defense.

I like the kid and I think he can generate say at least one more TD than Jake could in any given game. He runs the O pretty good. Nice tempo. The O looks pretty good right now overall except when they trot TB out there.

[dbroncos31]

I was hugely against it. Apparently I'm an idiot. I only felt that Jake would give us a better chance to win an SB b/c I didn't think Jay could get us to the playoffs. The Seattle game only made me more confident that we should have stuck with Jake. But I am amazed at Jay's progress the last few weeks. He has totally changed my opinion of the switch. I am her to eat a lot of crow, and to support Jay in the postseason, as he *hopefully* leads us to SB XLI.

However, we must not get ahead of ourselves. We need to shut down the second best RB in the NFL before we book our first round tickets. However, if we make the playoffs, I could easily see us surprise a bunch of teams. We can beat NE and Bal, we've already proved that. We can beat the second wild card, be it the Jets or the Chiefs or the Bengals or whoever. And I believe we can beat the Colts and their anemic defense. The Chargers scare me, but I think someone will beat them or we will rise up and shut down LdT, forcing Rivers to give the game away.

Yes, I have gone from almost giving up on the season to thinking about another SB championship in about 3 weeks. Ahhh...the life of a homer.

[jutang]

The only thing that matters is that Cutler has shown that he's better than Plummer. Everything else is a wash.

Shanahan wasn't throwing away the season, like some want us to beleive. He was saving it.

That's a great way of putting it. When Cutler went in, I was more of the mindset he was saving NEXT season by accelerating Cutler's growth. After seeing the last two preformances by Cutler and the other rookies, it's become apparent that they are here to get the broncos into the playoffs.

[baja]

Why are we still debating this?? It's all old news. What's done is done...who really cares who was right or wrong...except for those of you that want to fill your egos ...but, it's really pointless at this point! ;D

I think it is called braging rights and they have been around since about the same time they decided to put air in a football.

[errand]

Broncos offense under Plummer: Two 20+ point games in 11 weeks

Broncos offense under Cutler: Four 20+ point games in 4 weeks

Ya know this is what I've noticed - Had the game played out the same but the QB's names were changed......

Jay as QB - "Wow what a great win for the Broncos, the kid is amazing!Playoffs here we come!"

Jake as QB - "That idiot did everything he could to give the game away with that INT on his inital pass, and thank God our D and Cincy's inability to snap for a simple PAT won it for us"

Every win is a good win. A win is a win, I don't care who the QB, or RB is...or how we won it, bad snap, bad call, whatever....just win.

[errand]

I think it is called braging rights and they have been around since about the same time they decided to put air in a football.


I recall those who rejoiced in Griese being dumped for Jake being called "Elway widowers". Does this mean that Jake being replaced by Jay makes those who supported it "Griese widowers"?:D

Look, we're all happy the kid is progressing well....the future looks bright at this current moment, and perhaps had the move been made earlier we'd be looking at a 11-4 record, who the heck knows? Bottom line is make the playoffs, because no team has ever won the SB without doing that first.

I'm not gonna eat crow for believing that a veteran will usually outplay a rookie, even one as talented as Jay. It's called playing the percentages, and rarely does a QB switch lead to an increase in wins or playoff appearances.

I've seen this kid make a few throws that Jake probably couldn't have, and that's a good thing. By the same token I've seen the kid get sacked when Jake probably wouldn't have.

Each is capable of winning games for us. I'm glad they're on our team. I'm not gonna discount Jake's contributions to our team's success.

[baja]

I recall those who rejoiced in Griese being dumped for Jake being called "Elway widowers". Does this mean that Jake being replaced by Jay makes those who supported it "Griese widowers"?:D

Look, we're all happy the kid is progressing well....the future looks bright at this current moment, and perhaps had the move been made earlier we'd be looking at a 11-4 record, who the heck knows? Bottom line is make the playoffs, because no team has ever won the SB without doing that first.

I'm not gonna eat crow for believing that a veteran will usually outplay a rookie, even one as talented as Jay. It's called playing the percentages, and rarely does a QB switch lead to an increase in wins or playoff appearances.

I've seen this kid make a few throws that Jake probably couldn't have, and that's a good thing. By the same token I've seen the kid get sacked when Jake probably wouldn't have.

Each is capable of winning games for us. I'm glad they're on our team. I'm not gonna discount Jake's contributions to our team's success.

Some people have eyes to see what is right in front of them and some do not.

In your case Errand I wonder if you have any joy in your life.

[SprintRightOption]

errand's points are very central to why some people engaged the savagely anti-Jake people, guys. I spent some time arguing with them myself. I never said a bad thing about Cutler, and I really liked him and thought he had as good a chance as can be expected for a non-top 3 1st round pick.

Like someone said, this year for the first 13 games we were in a Bizarro World where people were furious and cranky after every win. This was ridiculous. Picking apart every little thing with Jake that wasn't ideal and pinning all the losses and (mistakes in wins) on him. If Jake had made the same bad plays that Cutler has made, they would be crucified and people would say that the team was dragging their terrible QB into the playoffs. Anyone who said the rookie might struggle his first game(s) would often see this response: "Let's toss Cutler into the fire and hope for the best. Jake's a 10 year veteran so he should be playing better, but he's playing like a rookie." That's true, but it's also irrelevant because they don't give rookies 10 points for a touchdown. The team is trying to win football games, and we were winning 7 of 9 at one point. But the moaning and teeth gnashing was way over the top, and no fanbase has ever enjoyed a 7-2 start any less than the 2006 Broncos.

Then in Cutler's first start when we gave the game away to a horrible seattle team at home, the Seattle that just pulled a muscle backing into the playoffs on a 3 game losing streak, people were happy about things and there was no apparent feeling about a crushing loss. I was furious about that game, and suprised more people weren't pissed also.

I was arguing more against the Bizarro World than anything else.

I supported Jake as the starting QB, because he was average to above average for each of his 3 seasons before this year. I thought he would play better in 2006. It turned out that Jake couldn't handle the pressure of a high pick rookie looking over his shoulder. He had his worst season here by far, and it lost him his job. I do think we would've won the Seattle game with Jake, but easily could've lost the Cinncy game with Jake.

I think the timing of the switch was terrible (10 day between games or not) and if Jay would've had just one game experience before Seattle he would've pulled it out. He's been so great improving game to game, and unleashing all these amazing throws that only a handful of guys in the league can do.

My realistic, optimistic expectation coming into the year was that Cutler could possibly become like Carson Palmer. Palmer had a better senior season in college and won the Heisman, but Cutler was coming to a better overall team and had Shanahan teach him.

Palmer didn't play a down his rookie year, then started the next year and played mediocre football for 6-8 games, then he pulled it all together and finished the season with a passer rating over 100 for 7 or the last 8 games. His third year, second playing was the 2005 season, and he established himself as a top 5 QB in the NFL.

That was what my stretch goals were for Cutler. I didn't think he could improve so fast, and be playing with a 90 rating after 4 games (3 of which are against winning teams). But he has, and the kid is amazing so far. This is great!

[SprintRightOption]

And to answer the thread title, I never thought we were throwing away the season by switching to Cutler. I hated Shanahan's timing though.

I was gone over the holidays and this is my first post in a week or so, and I thought this looked like the Thread of Record to check in and tell how impressed with Jay Cutler we are. I'm usually not a huge homer, but I was telling my family at Christmas dinner how we just might go on an epic run in the next month, and how cool would that be.

Either way, getting Cutler at least one postseason game this year will be crucial in the acquiring of a ring with three Lombardi-trophy-shaped diamonds and Super Bowl XLII Champions etched onto it, because we all KNOW that's coming next year IF we don't pull off the biggest miracle of the new Century this year.

[-Slap-]

SpinRightOption in full spin mode.

Read the post by dbroncos31 six posts above yours for a clue.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1419906&postcount=171




Good lord, what the hell does crap like this even mean?

"Let's toss Cutler into the fire and hope for the best. Jake's a 10 year veteran so he should be playing better, but he's playing like a rookie." That's true, but it's also irrelevant because they don't give rookies 10 points for a touchdown.

WTF?

ROFL!

[watermock]

then in Cutler's first start when we gave the game away to a horrible seattle team at home,

Umm..your talking about the defending NFC Champions there

[Northman]

SpinRightOption in full spin mode.

Read the post by dbroncos31 six posts above yours for a clue.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1419906&postcount=171




Good lord, what the hell does crap like this even mean?



WTF?

ROFL!




LOL Ha!

[Taco John]

I was arguing more against the Bizarro World than anything else.





What does that even mean? Jake played his way out of a job in the real world, not in the Bizarro world.

[Popps]

Some people have eyes to see what is right in front of them and some do not.

In your case Errand I wonder if you have any joy in your life.

Wow, dude makes a very sensible and team-supporting post and you pull some **** like this out of your ass?

Seriously, man... talk about a guy that should leave this stuff alone. If you can't handle a QB disagreement without attacking someone on a personal level, maybe you're not the one to be handing out psychology advice on a internet football board.

[SprintRightOption]

SpinRightOption in full spin mode.

"Let's toss Cutler into the fire and hope for the best. Jake's a 10 year veteran so he should be playing better, but he's playing like a rookie." That's true, but it's also irrelevant because they don't give rookies 10 points for a touchdown.

Good lord, what the hell does crap like this even mean?

WTF?

ROFL!
1 - The point is his first game mistakes (ugly INT TD) hurt the team just as much as if Plummer-playing-like-a-rookie made them. They contributed to the loss just as much. But many people here acted like his INT TD was only worth 2 points or his TDs were worth 10 points, because they were so happy to lose with Cutler after that game, that horrible loss.

What am I suppposedly spinning? I never was anti Cutler, I never blamed him for his few mistakes, I was anti-"people like slap who have a visceral hatred for Plummer and can't speak rationally about him" and anti- "rewriting history so Plummer was responsible for everything bad that happened in his 4 playoff games for Denver. I wasn't mad when Plummer was finally benched, I was first excited, then worried about the timing of the switch. He's not my boy, but I was classified as a Plummer Apoligist by people such as yourself, because of my wild viewpoint that Plummer was not the worst QB in the last 50 years. And I never called the switch giving up. If you can prove me wrong I will make it worth your while.

2 - the last time you responded to me it was in a gamethread, and you made a big point of saying I was going on ignore. So how the **** are you even reading my posts?

[-Slap-]

1 - More gibberish from you.

2 - I do put quitters like you on ignore on game days. The snivelling gets on my nerves.

[SprintRightOption]

What does that even mean? Jake played his way out of a job in the real world, not in the Bizarro world.

I understand, Captain Obvious, nobody is questioning or denying that Jake got the hook and Cutler came in earlier due to Plummer's poor play. Bizarro World didn't have anything to do with Plummer getting benched. It does mean the crying, moaning and anger after every win (except maybe Pittsburgh), and general pissing on anyone who enjoyed the win during and after the games. Combined with the elation and celebrating of certain plays and not being pissed about losing in Jay's first 2 games, when we went from first wildcard to 9th in the conference and needed the right dominoes to fall to even make the playoffs? That is Bizarro Bronco World. This was unprecedented in my lifetime.

[SprintRightOption]

1 - More gibberish from you.

2 - I do put quitters like you on ignore on game days. The snivelling gets on my nerves.

1 - You dodged it completely.

2 - Quitter? I never quit on my team and evidence to the contrary doesn't exist. You were unable or unwilling to get a joke about the b****ing and crying that would be going on if Jake played and had the same stats at that moment in the game. I was supporting Cutler all game long, and you are probably confusing me with someone else who called for Plummer during the game.

[baja]

Wow, dude makes a very sensible and team-supporting post and you pull some **** like this out of your ass?

Seriously, man... talk about a guy that should leave this stuff alone. If you can't handle a QB disagreement without attacking someone on a personal level, maybe you're not the one to be handing out psychology advice on a internet football board.

Seems to me your the one spitting all over his keyboard.

I have been reading errand's posts for years and he strikes me as a guy that has little joy in his life if you don't like me having an opinion based on long time interchanges than I guess you'll just have to kiss my ass and bark at the moon. What business is this of yours anyway?

[Northman]

But many people here acted like his INT TD was only worth 2 points or his TDs were worth 10 points, because they were so happy to lose with Cutler after that game, that horrible loss.





Who was happy that we lost that game? Please show me some threads.

[rbackfactory80]

are we crowning the kid as the next great one already? seriously, the game i saw wasnt denver beating cincy, it was cincy doing a good enough job of that on their own. anyone here thinks denver won that game hands down is on some designer ****.

with that said, he has a good arm, and he made some pretty good throws, a couple that had me going "holy ****, i cant believe he even tried that"

looks good thus far, but i hate to use that game or the AZ game as the bench mark of greatness here.

Designer ****. LOL

[Dedhed]

And to answer the thread title, I never thought we were throwing away the season by switching to Cutler. I hated Shanahan's timing though.

I was gone over the holidays and this is my first post in a week or so, and I thought this looked like the Thread of Record to check in and tell how impressed with Jay Cutler we are. I'm usually not a huge homer, but I was telling my family at Christmas dinner how we just might go on an epic run in the next month, and how cool would that be.

Either way, getting Cutler at least one postseason game this year will be crucial in the acquiring of a ring with three Lombardi-trophy-shaped diamonds and Super Bowl XLII Champions etched onto it, because we all KNOW that's coming next year IF we don't pull off the biggest miracle of the new Century this year.
Shanahan's timing was masterful. He let Jake lead the team until the vast majority of the lockerroom was disillusioned with Jake as the leader of the team. Then he went to the rookie, and has this team in the same spot that Jake would have.
So, Jake might have won the Seattle game. I'll give that to the apologists. You know what it does to our ranking? NOTHING. We're in the exact same spot we would have been, only now we have an offense that is scoring an extra TD per game, and improving dramatically on a weekly basis.

The timing could not have been more perfect. Those who say Jay should have started the KC game are out to lunch. You don't give the kid his first start in a game that is almost a sure loss.

Popps and Co. wish that was the case because Jake gave a prime example of just how inept the offense could be with him guiding it.

[Spider]

cant wait to see Cutler on the field today vs the Niners ...............

[Spider]

Shanahan's timing was masterful. He let Jake lead the team until the vast majority of the lockerroom was disillusioned with Jake as the leader of the team. Then he went to the rookie, and has this team in the same spot that Jake would have.
So, Jake might have won the Seattle game. I'll give that to the apologists. You know what it does to our ranking? NOTHING. We're in the exact same spot we would have been, only now we have an offense that is scoring an extra TD per game, and improving dramatically on a weekly basis.

The timing could not have been more perfect. Those who say Jay should have started the KC game are out to lunch. You don't give the kid his first start in a game that is almost a sure loss.

Popps and Co. wish that was the case because Jake gave a prime example of just how inept the offense could be with him guiding it.

I didnt quit on jake untill the KC game , Jake supporters say what they will , but Jake quit in that KC game ...............

[Northman]

I didnt quit on jake untill the KC game , Jake supporters say what they will , but Jake quit in that KC game ...............


He lost me after the second Oakland game.

[Spider]

He lost me after the second Oakland game.

fair enough , I wasnt to damn thrilled with him myself ............

[ScottXray]

He lost me after the second Oakland game.


I didn't see the KC game (was in Mexico) but Jake lost me the week before that. It was so obvious that he was unable to mentally handle the pressure of having a competent backup or replacement drafted. There is no other explanation possible...Jake just couldn't handle the criticism and possibility of losing his job. Therefore he played himself out of it.

I knew Shanny wouldn't change til the ten day break....and then he didn't officially make the announcement until the Monday after Thanksgiving...
MASTERFUL? It was poorly done...he should have made the announcement the next day (Friday). Why did he delay when he had hinted at it prior to the KC game?

Then he puts Jay in and it turns out that he hasn't had a snap from Nails before then , since pre-season (if even then). How was the QB performance we saw that day supposed to be that of a prepared backup? Jay looked not ready to play and makes the uber rookie mistake that (eventually) ended up costing us the game. However, I lay the loss on the Defense giving up the game winning FG drive late. The defense has lost 4th quarter leads way too much this year (5 games?) . Still, Jay wasn't ready. Shanny was blowing smoke up our butts about his readiness at that time.....because HE (Shanny) hadn't got Jay ready to play. It was anything but Masterful!

Jay has progressed REALLY fast....and definitely looks like he's gonna be really good. But Shanahan has not been masterful this year at all. He has done a poor job of gameplanning, clock management, managing his players and selecting and using assistants.

Maybe it is the loss of Kubiak alone, but our offense has been mostly terrible all year. It has gotten better the last few games, but the use of the running game has not been well integrated even with Cutler in the backfield. Play action is something that will now work, but only if you don't pass too much, (something that Shanny tends to do too often).

Anyway, Jay will still need good game plans to execute....we look to have a lot of our problems on the way getting better. with a good draft this year and FA we can plug most of the holes and maybe make a run next year.

And with a win today we get into the playoffs to jump start the run next year. Hell, with a lot of magic, maybe we even make that SB run THIS year...anything can happen once you get IN the playoffs.

The key is your players have to PLAY once you get there, and you have to have a little LUCK too. Lets get LUCKY!:strong:

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Shanahan's timing was masterful. He let Jake lead the team until the vast majority of the lockerroom was disillusioned with Jake as the leader of the team. Then he went to the rookie, and has this team in the same spot that Jake would have.
So, Jake might have won the Seattle game. I'll give that to the apologists. You know what it does to our ranking? NOTHING. We're in the exact same spot we would have been, only now we have an offense that is scoring an extra TD per game, and improving dramatically on a weekly basis.

The timing could not have been more perfect. Those who say Jay should have started the KC game are out to lunch. You don't give the kid his first start in a game that is almost a sure loss.

Popps and Co. wish that was the case because Jake gave a prime example of just how inept the offense could be with him guiding it.

From where we sit now, the Seattle loss doesn't really matter. But remember all the dominoes that fell between the 2nd SD game and now, including the 3 losses by KC, 2 by Jax, 1 loss by Cinncy, the Jets losing at home to Buffalo, etc.

Do you realize that if KC had just hung onto a 28-14 4th Qtr lead against the backup QB in Cleveland, we would be on the outside looking in, and cursing the Seattle game? I think the timing was worst from the standpoint of affecting the win/loss chance in Jay's first game. If Shanny would've at least let Jay play 3-5 series earlier in the year, just like Jeff Fischer did with VY the first few games of the year, he would've been twice as comfortable. If he started Jay at KC or at SD, the chances were low regardless of the QB.

So I don't agree that the timing was masterful. I think the veterans would've been okay anytime after the Cleveland game, because by then they could see that Jake was having an off year.