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W*GS
12-23-2006, 03:45 PM
http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2006/12/sandy_berger_a.php

An excerpt:
What manner of moral reprobate could act they way he did after some three thousand people were murdered by Islamist terrorists. No doubt the inner Sandy has a raft of rationalizations, varied ways of justifying his criminal behavior to himself whether he was defending his own actions or Clinton's or both. (It would be interesting to know, wouldn't it?) Perhaps Berger is even sophisticated enough (though I suspect not) to reference EM Forster's famous dictum: "If I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I should have the guts to betray my country." But the problem is - Berger wasn't just betraying his country, he was betraying real, living human beings, past and potential victims of terrorism. As we learned on 9-11, it doesn't matter what country they come from. It is a betrayal of humanity as much as it is a betrayal of our country (though of course it is that.)

Stuck In Texas
12-23-2006, 05:26 PM
Careful W*gs,

Don't you realize that only Republicans are capable of doing devious things? ::)

defenseman
12-26-2006, 02:03 PM
http://www.rogerlsimon.com/mt-archives/2006/12/sandy_berger_a.php

An excerpt:
What manner of moral reprobate could act they way he did after some three thousand people were murdered by Islamist terrorists. No doubt the inner Sandy has a raft of rationalizations, varied ways of justifying his criminal behavior to himself whether he was defending his own actions or Clinton's or both. (It would be interesting to know, wouldn't it?) Perhaps Berger is even sophisticated enough (though I suspect not) to reference EM Forster's famous dictum: "If I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my friend, I hope I should have the guts to betray my country." But the problem is - Berger wasn't just betraying his country, he was betraying real, living human beings, past and potential victims of terrorism. As we learned on 9-11, it doesn't matter what country they come from. It is a betrayal of humanity as much as it is a betrayal of our country (though of course it is that.)


It will be interesting when we find out what he was 'really' up to...dman

Dudeskey
12-26-2006, 02:29 PM
I definitely want to know what the hell he was thinking

bendog
12-28-2006, 12:31 PM
yawn.

Barry Ramey
12-30-2006, 12:31 AM
Notice how this story gets little attention by the lefties and their media. Berger is caught doing something illegal, but for how long did they go on and on about Rove and Plame, which only got someone most people never heard of and no charges on Rove? Or how long did they go on and on about Mark Foley and the corruption of Republicans just knowing what he was doing and did nothing, only nothing found any coverup was done? Berger is part of the Clinton team, so anything corrupt done by such a member is hushed as best it can by the lefty media, who has protected the Clintons for 30 years. And now looks like the Clinton team and media friends are now going after Obama.

Barry Ramey
01-04-2007, 04:16 PM
Looks like Bill Clinton authorized Berger to go in and steal documents.

Bill Clinton authorized Sandy Berger's access
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Sandy Berger</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>President Bill Clinton signed a letter authorizing former National Security Adviser Sandy Berger's access to classified documents that later came up missing, according to a newly released investigation report by the National Archives and Records Administration (http://www.wnd.com/redir/r.asp?http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/berger.pdf).

The sensitive drafts of the National Security Council's "Millennium After Action Review" on the Clinton administration's handling of the al-Qaida terror threats in December 1999 suspiciously disappeared after Berger said he intended to "determine if Executive Privilege needed to be exerted prior to documents being provided to the 9/11 Commission." Then-Attorney General John Ashcroft testified before the 9-11 commission about the millennium report (http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39544), urging the panel to ask why the document's warnings and "blueprint" to thwart al-Qaida's plans to target the U.S. were ignored by the Clinton administration and not shared with the incoming Bush security staff.

The NARA investigation report said Clinton signed an April 12, 2002, letter designating Berger – and another person whose named is redacted – as "agents on his behalf to review relevant NSC documents regarding Osama Bin Laden/Al Qaeda, Sudan and Presidential correspondence from or to (Sudanese President) Omar Bashir, contained in the Clinton Presidential records." A subsequent letter from a National Security Council official, May 14, 2002, said Berger repeatedly was briefed that "he was not allowed to remove any documentation from NARA."
Last year, Berger plea bargained a criminal sentence (http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43600) on the charge of unlawfully removing and retaining classified documents. A judge gave him no prison time, a $50,000 fine, 100 hours of community service and a ban from access to classified material for three years.



According to the NARA report, after the 9-11 attacks, Clinton administration officials were swamped with calls regarding their handling of terrorist threats, and Berger soon realized he would have to testify. Berger said he put in over 100 unpaid hours of his time to be responsive.
The former White House adviser said the documents up for review were so numerous that he was unable to reconstruct them from memory, so he took 10-to-12 pages of notes and hid them in the pocket of his blazer.

The investigation report says, however, the May 14, 2002, letter stated "notes may be taken but must be retained by NARA staff and forwarded to the NSC for a classification review and appropriate marking. Berger, the letter said, "was made aware of this requirement."

In July 2003, Berger's handling of the papers began to "cause archival concerns in maintaining provenance" after he asked to leave the viewing office several times to hold very private phone calls. Later, in September,

Berger once again stepped out of the office and headed for the men's room, but personnel reported an unknown white object beneath his pant leg.
A witness said Berger "bent down, fiddling with something white, which could have been papers, around his ankle."

After Berger's actions aroused suspicion in September 2003, an unnamed archives official hand-numbered drafts provided to Berger as a means of controlling the documents without consulting with NARA general counsel, security, management, the Office of the Inspector General or law enforcement.

In October, Berger returned to the archives office and was given one file folder of documents at a time. The NARA report indicates an e-mail numbered 217 came up missing after he reviewed it. Berger later said he slid the document under his portfolio.

When personnel noticed it was missing, they offered a copy of document 217 to Berger, and he reportedly slid the second file under his portfolio as well. Later, Berger said if he had been asked to return the file "it would have triggered a decision for him to give the documents back."

Instead, Berger said he had to make a private phone call and went to a desk outside the office. However, the phone line remained unlit, and he quickly departed to the restroom, a location from which he was reported to have recently returned.

Berger made numerous suspicious visits to the men's room in which personnel were concerned he might be hiding documents. He said he "went to the restroom on an average of every 30 minutes to one hour to use the facilities and stretch his legs."

According to the NARA report, Berger claimed he accidentally took the files outside of the archives building and didn't want to risk bringing documents back because personnel might notice something unusual. Instead, he took the files to a fenced construction area on Ninth Street, slid them under a trailer and returned to the office to finish his review. After doing so, he returned to the site, reclaimed the documents and took them to his office.

During the visit, Berger is reported to have hidden four documents in his pockets, all versions of the Millennium Alert After Action Review.
Archives officials decided to call Berger and ask him for the documents. He said he didn't think he had any files. They advised him NARA was treating the matter as a security infraction and was going to report the incident to the National Security Council. If Berger admitted to taking the documents by mistake, the incident would be reported as inadvertent removal. But, he maintained that staff members were in error, and he had given the files back to an assistant.

Later that evening, Berger claimed to have found two documents, and NARA made arrangements to pick up the files the following morning. However, NARA reports the documents were an e-mail and a facsimile Berger reviewed Sept. 2, 2003, not classified files viewed Oct. 2, 2003.

Berger said he could not find any additional documents and claimed he must have thrown them away. According to the NARA report, "He had destroyed, cut into small pieces, three of the four documents. These were put in the trash. By Saturday, the trash had been picked up. He tried to find the trash collector but had no luck."

The inspector general was briefed on the incidents Oct. 10. That day, OI investigators recovered documents from Berger's home at the request of his attorney. Six months later, the Department of Justice notified the 9/11 commission.

Berger said if someone had always been with him, he would not have taken any documents.

Despite his April 1, 2005, guilty plea for Unauthorized Removal and Retention of Classified Material, Berger still vehemently denies smuggling any documents in his socks. According to the report, he said he was adjusting them "because his shoes frequently come untied and his socks frequently fall down."
Just yesterday, the saga of Berger and the documents was ranked No. 6 on WND's annual list of most underreported news stories of 2006. (http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53601)

Stuck In Texas
01-04-2007, 06:06 PM
The outcry from the media is deafening. No, wait, those are just crickets chirping.

Barry Ramey
01-10-2007, 10:53 PM
Press Release

<!-- InstanceEndEditable --><!-- InstanceBeginEditable name="Page Content" --><FORM id=ArticleDetailsForm name=ArticleDetailsForm action=PRArticle.aspx?NewsID=4 method=post>Did the 9/11 Commission receive all the documents it requested? Davis Releases Berger Report
January 9, 2007
Contact: David Marin (202)225-5074

http://republicans.oversight.house.gov/news/PRArticle.aspx?NewsID=4

Washington, D.C. – Oversight and Government Reform Committee Ranking Member Tom Davis (R-VA) released the following statement today on a committee report (http://republicans.oversight.house.gov/Media/PDFs/BergerReport010907.pdf) that sheds important new light on Sandy Berger’s theft of classified documents from the National Archives. The report makes it clear that the full extent of Mr. Berger’s document removal can never be known, and consequently the Department of Justice could not assure the 9/11 Commission that it received all responsive documents to which Mr. Berger had access.

“My staff’s investigation reveals that President Clinton’s former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger compromised national security much more than originally disclosed,” Davis said. “It is now also clear that Mr. Berger was willing to go to extraordinary lengths to compromise national security, apparently for his own convenience.

“The 9/11 Commission relied on incomplete and misleading information regarding its access to documents Mr. Berger reviewed. No one ever told the Commission that Mr. Berger had access to original documents that he could have taken without detection.

“We now know that Mr. Berger left stolen highly classified documents at a construction site to avoid detection. We know that Mr. Berger insisted on privacy at times to allow him to conceal documents that he stole. One witness with a very high security clearance believed he saw Berger concealing documents in his socks.

“Mr. Berger’s review of documents did not conform to the usual requirements for reviewing classified documents in a secure facility and under strict supervision. The Archives staff’s failure to contact law enforcement immediately and their contacts with Mr. Berger about the missing documents compromised the law enforcement effort.

“The compromised law enforcement effort contributes to reduced confidence that the 9/11 Commission received all the documents it requested. The execution of a search warrant before Mr. Berger knew there was an investigation would have either located additional documents or enhanced confidence that he stole no others than those he admitted to taking.

“The public statements of the former chief of the public integrity section, Noel Hillman, were incomplete and misleading. Because Mr. Berger had access to original documents that he could have taken without detection, we do not know if anything ‘was lost to the public or the process.’

“The Justice Department’s assertion that Mr. Berger’s statements are credible after being caught is misplaced. One wouldn’t rely on the fox to be truthful after being nabbed in the hen house. But the Justice Department apparently did.”
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Staff Report- Sandy Berger's Theft of Classified Documents: Unanswered Questions (http://republicans.oversight.house.gov/Media/PDFs/BergerReport010907.pdf) (PDF)
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Bronco_Beerslug
01-11-2007, 10:26 AM
Notice how this story gets little attention by the lefties and their media. Berger is caught doing something illegal, but for how long did they go on and on about Rove and Plame, which only got someone most people never heard of and no charges on Rove?
Mary Ramey's right wing tripe is almost as bad as Errant's rantings, maybe worse. He's already been investigated and judged by BUSH's Justice Dept. genius.

bendog
01-11-2007, 02:25 PM
Yeah, it's earthshaking that Berger hid some of this own inactions.

defenseman
01-11-2007, 02:44 PM
Press Release

<!-- InstanceEndEditable --><!-- InstanceBeginEditable name="Page Content" --><FORM id=ArticleDetailsForm name=ArticleDetailsForm action=PRArticle.aspx?NewsID=4 method=post>Did the 9/11 Commission receive all the documents it requested? Davis Releases Berger Report
January 9, 2007
Contact: David Marin (202)225-5074

http://republicans.oversight.house.gov/news/PRArticle.aspx?NewsID=4

Washington, D.C. – Oversight and Government Reform Committee Ranking Member Tom Davis (R-VA) released the following statement today on a committee report (http://republicans.oversight.house.gov/Media/PDFs/BergerReport010907.pdf) that sheds important new light on Sandy Berger’s theft of classified documents from the National Archives. The report makes it clear that the full extent of Mr. Berger’s document removal can never be known, and consequently the Department of Justice could not assure the 9/11 Commission that it received all responsive documents to which Mr. Berger had access.

“My staff’s investigation reveals that President Clinton’s former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger compromised national security much more than originally disclosed,” Davis said. “It is now also clear that Mr. Berger was willing to go to extraordinary lengths to compromise national security, apparently for his own convenience.

“The 9/11 Commission relied on incomplete and misleading information regarding its access to documents Mr. Berger reviewed. No one ever told the Commission that Mr. Berger had access to original documents that he could have taken without detection.

“We now know that Mr. Berger left stolen highly classified documents at a construction site to avoid detection. We know that Mr. Berger insisted on privacy at times to allow him to conceal documents that he stole. One witness with a very high security clearance believed he saw Berger concealing documents in his socks.

“Mr. Berger’s review of documents did not conform to the usual requirements for reviewing classified documents in a secure facility and under strict supervision. The Archives staff’s failure to contact law enforcement immediately and their contacts with Mr. Berger about the missing documents compromised the law enforcement effort.

“The compromised law enforcement effort contributes to reduced confidence that the 9/11 Commission received all the documents it requested. The execution of a search warrant before Mr. Berger knew there was an investigation would have either located additional documents or enhanced confidence that he stole no others than those he admitted to taking.

“The public statements of the former chief of the public integrity section, Noel Hillman, were incomplete and misleading. Because Mr. Berger had access to original documents that he could have taken without detection, we do not know if anything ‘was lost to the public or the process.’

“The Justice Department’s assertion that Mr. Berger’s statements are credible after being caught is misplaced. One wouldn’t rely on the fox to be truthful after being nabbed in the hen house. But the Justice Department apparently did.”
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Staff Report- Sandy Berger's Theft of Classified Documents: Unanswered Questions (http://republicans.oversight.house.gov/Media/PDFs/BergerReport010907.pdf) (PDF)
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This deserves some national coverage by the networks. However, it won't get much now will it. Gee, I wonder why?.............dman

*And if we 'win', for lack of a better term, in iraq, they'll spin it like we lost I'm sure. Unfortunately, we'll hear what the media wants us to hear. Factual or not.

Rohirrim
01-11-2007, 02:51 PM
Notice how this story gets little attention by the lefties and their media. Berger is caught doing something illegal, but for how long did they go on and on about Rove and Plame, which only got someone most people never heard of and no charges on Rove? Or how long did they go on and on about Mark Foley and the corruption of Republicans just knowing what he was doing and did nothing, only nothing found any coverup was done? Berger is part of the Clinton team, so anything corrupt done by such a member is hushed as best it can by the lefty media, who has protected the Clintons for 30 years. And now looks like the Clinton team and media friends are now going after Obama.

Not really. It's just that, compared to the kind of things that Bush and his cronies have pulled, what Berger did amounts to chickenfeed.

W*GS
01-11-2007, 03:03 PM
Not really. It's just that, compared to the kind of things that Bush and his cronies have pulled, what Berger did amounts to chickenfeed.

That's rather hard to say, isn't it, considering we have no idea what was in the documents Berger stole and were apparently destroyed...

bendog
01-11-2007, 03:17 PM
Dman it isn't a big story cause suzy strudle and joe sixpack don't care. Just ass Rove and Plame only became an issue when suzy and joe started wondering about the war.

And honestly I don't see what the attraction of the story is. Sandy tried to make himself, and the administration, look better. It appears what he took was stuff discounting Richard Clarke, and, in the beginning, he took notes (which isn't allowed) about the millenium bombing and terrorism alterts ... presumably to beef himself up for his testimony ... again to look good.

W*GS
01-15-2007, 11:57 PM
Another opinion on Berger's actions:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/01/sandy_berger_what_did_he_take.html