View Full Version : Anti-Muslim Rant from Virginia Lawmaker
enjolras
12-20-2006, 08:51 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/20/lawmaker.koran/index.html
I think without greater idiot reform that we may end up with many more scared little halfwits like this guy running our country.
Bronco_Beerslug
12-20-2006, 08:57 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/20/lawmaker.koran/index.html
I think without greater idiot reform that we may end up with many more scared little halfwits like this guy running our country.The country is somewhat divided on it's bigotry and racism of Muslims. I'd guess that most Americans find his words and behavior "acceptable".
Dudeskey
12-20-2006, 09:56 PM
Following in the footsteps of Dennis Prager I see. This type of rhetoric stinks of... dare I say it- nazism. People like this w/ such intolerant views in positions of power are dangerous.
speaking of tolerant views, we all know how tolerant the Middle Eastern countries are.
enjolras
12-20-2006, 10:34 PM
speaking of tolerant views, we all know how tolerant the Middle Eastern countries are.
Excellent point.. and highly relevant when talking about immigration.
Excellent point.. and highly relevant when talking about immigration.
I certainly don't care for how the legislator made his point. He wasn't very eloquent by any means, but doesn't anyone else find it very hypocritical that a Muslim group condemns him for "not being very tolerant"?
Just this past week a flight attendant had to take a cross necklace off when entering Saudi Arabian airspace and another flight attendant was instructed to remove her Bible from a flight or it would be confiscated as soon as she landed in Saudi Arabia ... and the Muslim groups here are demanding tolerance? I just find that to be ironic.
enjolras
12-21-2006, 12:37 AM
But what does any of this have to do with Muslim immigrants in the United States?
Aren't we, as Americans, supposed to shine as a beacon of freedom for the rest of the world? If Muslism immigrants come to the United States and embrace our fundamental American ideals of liberty then I don't see how their home governments have any real bearing on how I should feel about them. I don't fear Muslims (I count many of them as friends) and I don't see how purposefully excluding them from American society makes us safer or better as a people. I'm actually quite certain it makes us a whole lot worse.
defenseman
12-21-2006, 09:31 AM
muslims that adopt our country, and in turn are adopted by us, are not the issue. The radical muslims ARE the issue. Two distinct and seperate groups. However, the muslims presently in our country who claim to be moderate need to stand up and be counted in one respect, denouncing the murderous ways of terrorists/radicals who inflict pain, suffering and death holding the Koran in one hand and a machete in the other. When this happens, their place in this society will be much more solidified. Until then, they will reap the rewards of their own fear.....dman
alkemical
12-21-2006, 11:13 AM
The overall tone of isolationism is very suspect. I worry much about how things can go if more people adopt this stance of fear mongering over people.
Besides, can we make any VA jokes here?
muslims that adopt our country, and in turn are adopted by us, are not the issue. The radical muslims ARE the issue. Two distinct and seperate groups. However, the muslims presently in our country who claim to be moderate need to stand up and be counted in one respect, denouncing the murderous ways of terrorists/radicals who inflict pain, suffering and death holding the Koran in one hand and a machete in the other. When this happens, their place in this society will be much more solidified. Until then, they will reap the rewards of their own fear.....dman
rep :)
Bronx33
12-21-2006, 07:33 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/20/lawmaker.koran/index.html
I think without greater idiot reform that we may end up with many more scared little halfwits like this guy running our country.
Wow! the option to speak your peace that comes with not having your family gutted and hung on display... ya america sucks ::)
Bronx33
12-21-2006, 07:37 PM
muslims that adopt our country, and in turn are adopted by us, are not the issue. The radical muslims ARE the issue. Two distinct and seperate groups. However, the muslims presently in our country who claim to be moderate need to stand up and be counted in one respect, denouncing the murderous ways of terrorists/radicals who inflict pain, suffering and death holding the Koran in one hand and a machete in the other. When this happens, their place in this society will be much more solidified. Until then, they will reap the rewards of their own fear.....dman
I fully f****** agree! the one thing that pisses me off to no end is the non radicals SILENCE!
yavoon
12-22-2006, 12:47 AM
But what does any of this have to do with Muslim immigrants in the United States?
Aren't we, as Americans, supposed to shine as a beacon of freedom for the rest of the world? If Muslism immigrants come to the United States and embrace our fundamental American ideals of liberty then I don't see how their home governments have any real bearing on how I should feel about them. I don't fear Muslims (I count many of them as friends) and I don't see how purposefully excluding them from American society makes us safer or better as a people. I'm actually quite certain it makes us a whole lot worse.
a lot of them don't embrace ideas of freedom. and certainly there isn't much in the koran even hinting that freedom as we understand it in the US is a good idea, or in any way even acceptable.
u want to accept muslims because u think its just a different version of skin color. well a religion, and its dogma is not something as benign as skin color.
yavoon
12-22-2006, 12:51 AM
I fully ******* agree! the one thing that pisses me off to no end is the non radicals SILENCE!
the emotional propaganda perpetrated against the american ppl is denying us any faculties of reason. we always search and search and search for 'moderates.' they're around, but islam does not breed moderation.
alkemical
12-22-2006, 03:27 PM
I was looking into this - - did you know you don't have to be sworn in on a bible?
It's not in a law anywhere that you have to swear in on a bible. This sen. from VA is just playing on our stupidity.
mhgaffney
12-22-2006, 06:24 PM
muslims that adopt our country, and in turn are adopted by us, are not the issue. The radical muslims ARE the issue. Two distinct and seperate groups. However, the muslims presently in our country who claim to be moderate need to stand up and be counted in one respect, denouncing the murderous ways of terrorists/radicals who inflict pain, suffering and death holding the Koran in one hand and a machete in the other. When this happens, their place in this society will be much more solidified. Until then, they will reap the rewards of their own fear.....dman
What a bunch of BS. Next thing you will be demanding loyalty oaths.
If you believe in the Constitution then you agree that the rights of the minority must be protected. Muslims in America must be free to express their views -- even their disapproval of this murderous US administration.
Add up the numbers of people killed by radical jihadists. Then compare the total with the 600,000 Iraqis murdered in the ongoing debacle -- deaths that are a direct result of US agression.
There's no comparison. Most of the violence is coming from the US and is being aimed at Muslims. No wonder the hatred for America has reached unprecedented heights.
mhgaffney
12-22-2006, 06:27 PM
islam does not breed moderation.
You are totally ignorant about Islam yourself. Clueless.
I suggest you pick up a book. Do something to educate yourself.
Meck77
12-22-2006, 06:39 PM
You know we have catholics who swear in with the bible, jews with theirs. Why not an elected Muslim with his choice. I could care less what he swears in with personally. Actually I like the fact that a Muslim has won a seat in congress. Infact I think we need more of them. Since 9-11 I have rarely heard any Muslim leaders in America speak out against terrorism by Muslims. I'd like to see if this guy is a decent leader and send him in for some negotiations in the middle east.
It's obvious our goverment hasn't been able to see eye to eye with them. Why not one of their own? Makes good sense to me.
I don't even see the connection with immigration as the congressman says he is 5th generation America.
defenseman
12-22-2006, 07:00 PM
What a bunch of BS. Next thing you will be demanding loyalty oaths.
If you believe in the Constitution then you agree that the rights of the minority must be protected. Muslims in America must be free to express their views -- even their disapproval of this murderous US administration.
Add up the numbers of people killed by radical jihadists. Then compare the total with the 600,000 Iraqis murdered in the ongoing debacle -- deaths that are a direct result of US agression.
There's no comparison. Most of the violence is coming from the US and is being aimed at Muslims. No wonder the hatred for America has reached unprecedented heights.
A very tolerant rebuttal to an opposing opinion? Thanks for making the case for those of us who just want the muslims in this country who follow the same religion as the terrorists, to call the terrorists on their wholesale bloodshed in the name of allah. You my friend are in the minority and you must remember, this is the united states of america, not a middle eastern country. They MUST live in harmony with us, just as they expect us to live in harmony with them. If not, they will never rid themselves of the stigma which now labels them, fairly or unfairly, it is what it is...dman
BRNCOS1
12-22-2006, 07:26 PM
You are totally ignorant about Islam yourself. Clueless.
I suggest you pick up a book. Do something to educate yourself.
Well if your so knowledgable about the Muslims, why don't you explain why all these "peaceful muslims" aren't on tv every time the "radicals" blow something up or kill somebody else. You would think in the years since 9/11 they would have a face by now.
mhgaffney
12-22-2006, 07:43 PM
A very tolerant rebuttal to an opposing opinion? Thanks for making the case for those of us who just want the muslims in this country who follow the same religion as the terrorists, to call the terrorists on their wholesale bloodshed in the name of allah. You my friend are in the minority and you must remember, this is the united states of america, not a middle eastern country. They MUST live in harmony with us, just as they expect us to live in harmony with them. If not, they will never rid themselves of the stigma which now labels them, fairly or unfairly, it is what it is...dman
I agree that practicing Muslims should condemn terror by jihadists. Many of them have.
I am waiting for you to make the same condemnation of US sponsored terrorism.
BRNCOS1
12-22-2006, 08:03 PM
I agree that practicing Muslims should condemn terror by jihadists. Many of them have.
I am waiting for you to make the same condemnation of US sponsored terrorism.
When we first entered Iraq, I was on the fence as to whether it was a good idea or not. Over the last year or so I have to agree with the people who said we never should have started this war.
To me, it boils down to no WMD, shouldn't have been a war. I could see somebody making the argument for war crimes trial. We claimed one thing, we were wrong, and thousands of Iraqis have died because of it. Not to mention almost 3000 of our own.
I read an article where the columnist suggested letting the Iraqi people vote on whether they still want us there or not. That seems like the best plan I've heard so far. Even if we end up still there at least we know somebody[majority vote] wants us there.
yavoon
12-22-2006, 08:13 PM
You are totally ignorant about Islam yourself. Clueless.
I suggest you pick up a book. Do something to educate yourself.
is there anything about islam u'd like me to explain to u?
yavoon
12-22-2006, 08:15 PM
What a bunch of BS. Next thing you will be demanding loyalty oaths.
If you believe in the Constitution then you agree that the rights of the minority must be protected. Muslims in America must be free to express their views -- even their disapproval of this murderous US administration.
Add up the numbers of people killed by radical jihadists. Then compare the total with the 600,000 Iraqis murdered in the ongoing debacle -- deaths that are a direct result of US agression.
There's no comparison. Most of the violence is coming from the US and is being aimed at Muslims. No wonder the hatred for America has reached unprecedented heights.
the muslims are murdering the muslims in iraq. I guess u could say we stopped the brutal rule of saddam thus allowing more free killing instead of one sided killing. but u certainly have a very enlightened chomsky view to see everything through america's action. its one of his best dillusions, so glad u picked it up.
yavoon
12-22-2006, 08:17 PM
Well if your so knowledgable about the Muslims, why don't you explain why all these "peaceful muslims" aren't on tv every time the "radicals" blow something up or kill somebody else. You would think in the years since 9/11 they would have a face by now.
they're on TV all the time, have u not seen CAIR on TV?
Omar M. Ahmad founder of CAIR said:
"Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" he said. "The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America , and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."
Garcia Bronco
12-22-2006, 11:56 PM
Is Muslim a race? Or a religious sect? Something of choice?
Garcia Bronco
12-23-2006, 12:00 AM
I suggest you pick up a book. Do something to educate yourself.
Because all of life's answers are ina book.
Garcia Bronco
12-23-2006, 12:03 AM
There's no comparison. Most of the violence is coming from the US and is being aimed at Muslims.
Perhaps it's best they don't run planes into our buildings again.
I agree that practicing Muslims should condemn terror by jihadists. Many of them have.
I am waiting for you to make the same condemnation of US sponsored terrorism.
"Many of them have"? I must not be watching the right news channels.
As for the "US sponsored terrorism" you speak of - seems to me that it's mostly Muslims killing other Muslims that's the problem in Iraq. Then they turn around and blame it on the U.S. - yeah that makes a lot of sense. Let's absolve them of any responsibility.
Meck77
12-23-2006, 11:31 AM
"Many of them have"? I must not be watching the right news channels.
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Me neither. Can you name some of these American Muslim leaders who have been outspoken about the terrorists acts around the world by Muslims?
Seems to me they are sitting on their hands. Like I said earlier seems to me that some more Muslims in Congress etc might be able to shed some light on what's going on because right now we have a huge communication/ideology barrier.
Bronx33
12-23-2006, 11:38 AM
the emotional propaganda perpetrated against the american ppl is denying us any faculties of reason. we always search and search and search for 'moderates.' they're around, but islam does not breed moderation.
It's what they are breeding now that worries me.
Bronx33
12-23-2006, 11:44 AM
I agree that practicing Muslims should condemn terror by jihadists. Many of them have.
I am waiting for you to make the same condemnation of US sponsored terrorism.
Where? who? when? if they cared about islam as much as they say they do you would think they really cared what the world thought of their relegion and how it's being protrayed ( and be a little more out spoken) or defend it, as of now i don't see squat so either they agree with the radicals OR are scared of being murdered by there own for speaking out.
Me neither. Can you name some of these American Muslim leaders who have been outspoken about the terrorists acts around the world by Muslims?
Seems to me they are sitting on their hands. Like I said earlier seems to me that some more Muslims in Congress etc might be able to shed some light on what's going on because right now we have a huge communication/ideology barrier.
I hope I'm wrong but a Muslim democrat will most likely talk about "tolerance" - that would be ironic when Middle East countries will KILL those who aren't practicing Muslims.
In western civilizations tolerance is practiced a LOT more than the media (or democrats) care to admit - but it's never "enough tolerance." I'm an independent (with conservative leanings). What concerns me most about our country is that the more we tolerate, the less I see us standing for anything of value. Anything goes is not, in my opinion, where we should be heading. Not to say that we all have to believe/do the same things, but I wish we could somehow develop a more united front as a people. We don't seem to stand for anything anymore - very disconcerting.