Back up QB for next year?

[jmz313]

Jake ain't going to be sticking around so Who would you like to see backing up Cutler? I would like to see denver sign one of those older, fading stars that have already been sitting a year or so. Some one who understands their role and will not lose us games if called upon (ie: what Philly got with garcia). I'm thinking Brad Johnson or Kerry Collins since both should be availible this off season.

Niether one is going to win us a superbowl, thats what cutler is for but Both know the game, have played alot, and given a good surrounding cast can win a game or 2 if cutler is out. My only concern with both is mobility but I'm assuming changes are made in the off season to sure up our pass blocking since that is a obvious problem.

BJ has little arm but has shown that he can get the ball to the playmakers and be a "caretaker", not too mention some SB experience.

Collins still has a big arm but will turn it over more. However, he's more likely to make big plays and keep the Offense from being scaled way back. His attitude seems good since NYG.

Brunell would be intriguing to me due to mobility but I think he stays in DC.

Any other interesting backup QB options? I just want a Vet that is resigned to being a backup but can play.

[socalorado]

I put this as a option on another thread. I am not sure what his contract situation is, but i would like to see someone like Kelly Holcomb back up Cutler. He has experience and when needed could come in and actually "help" the team, not hurt it.

[-Slap-]

Here's a name nobody else is likely to mention. I wouldn't mind taking a shot at Shaun King (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133339). He's out of the League right now, but he played in a lot of pressure games as a young quarterback and he has a winning record as a starter. He would be dirt cheap, the veteran minimum would get it done. His mobility would be a great change of pace coming off the bench.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5318/bucskingscramble455fw9.jpg

[SportinOne]

I totally agree with this strategy.

Whoever he is, he MUST accept his role. He must also not be Shaun King.

If we have the choice between an accurate qb or strong armed qb, take the strong armed guy so that the rest of the team won't be thrown off as much.

[Drek]

Is Shaun King still mobile though, he's gotten pretty old.

Personally I'd like to see us spin a 5th rounder to the Bears for Orton. He won't play with both Grossman and Griese under contract, they've burt up two of his three years of contract now anyways, they'd probably be happy to get a 5th rounder out of him, we get a #2 QB who is still young but has almost a whole season of experience under his belt and an arm that doesn't require us to change the gameplan if Cutler is down. We'll also get a 2nd year of him for fairly cheap as I don't think he'll attract a ton of attention as an RFA.

[Disco Man]

Look for BVP to be back in Denver if the Texans don't keep him.

[El Guapo]

Bring back Tommy Maddox, eh, I think he might still be with Pittsburgh. I say we draft another, but then again its cause I want my college QB to remain blue and orange (check sig :~ohyah!: )

[Florida_Bronco]

Here's a name nobody else is likely to mention. I wouldn't mind taking a shot at Shaun King (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133339). He's out of the League right now, but he played in a lot of pressure games as a young quarterback and he has a winning record as a starter. He would be dirt cheap, the veteran minimum would get it done. His mobility would be a great change of pace coming off the bench.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5318/bucskingscramble455fw9.jpg

That may not be a bad idea. He's also a high character guy who was well liked by teammates and fans down here in Tampa.

[baja]

Brian Griese

[baja]

Actually BVP would be my choice or draft someone like Kubes in the later rounds that couuld backup Jay all his career.

[Rohirrim]

What's Steve DeBerg up to these days? ;D

[SportinOne]

Whoever he is he must be similar to Jay. BVP fits the bill except for the arm. Then again no one has Jay's arm. I feel sorry for San Diego. Yeah Rivers will be accurate his whole career, but where is the excitement in that? You will NEVER, EVER see him do what Jay did this past game. Rivers gets in that situation and he better hope that he's throwing to Jackson (for height reasons only) and that Jackson can stop dead in his tracks at the 10 and outleap two defenders. Man what a throw. If Jay never played another good game for the rest of his career, how much time did that throw buy him? Shanahan would think about bringing someone new in, but in the back of his mind would be "the bomb". Gary Kubiak would call his former mentor and plead with him, "Mike, it's 2013. The guy hasn't done squat since his rookie year!"

Shanahan, with a sheepish grin on his face would then reply, "Yeah, but do you remember that play against LA?"

"LA?............the LA Raiders, Mike? He wasn't even playing then."

"No, i'm talking about the Cardinals. When they were still in Arizona. You see i started the game with two consec-"

"-CLICK-"

[Rashomon]

I believe he is under contract next year, but Billy Volek at SD would be a good choice. He is a veteran, would understand his role, is pretty decent in the vertical passing game, and has a history with Heimerdinger.

[broncsyanks]

it doesnt really matter to me. just make it affordable so we can get a pass rush in here.

[-Slap-]

That may not be a bad idea. He's also a high character guy who was well liked by teammates and fans down here in Tampa.

He's also a winner. He had a remarkable career at Tulane.

Wikipedia profile: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaun_King)

Shaun Earl King (born May 29, 1977 in St. Petersburg, Florida) is an American football player in the National Football League at the quarterback position.

King played college football at Tulane University between 1995 and 1998, [1] leading Tulane to an undefeated season and in the process setting the single-season NCAA Division I-A record for passing efficiency in 1998 of 183.3. In the same year he became the first player in NCAA history to both pass for 300 yards and rush for 100 yards in the same game against Army on November 14th.

King subsequently was drafted in the second round of the 1999 NFL Draft by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, his hometown team. His best professional season was in 2000, when he started all 16 regular-season games for the Bucs. The team lost the NFC Championship 11-6 to the St. Louis Rams with King at the helm. He was replaced by Brad Johnson and relegated to a backup role for the following three seasons. In 2004, he signed with the Arizona Cardinals as a free agent, but only started two games and was released at the end of the season.

On Friday June 2, 2006 he signed a free agent contract with the Indianapolis Colts, but was then released as a free agent on September 3.

On Friday November 29, 2006 Shaun King signed with the Las Vegas Gladiators of the Arena Football League.

The Shaun King Foundation, headquartered in Winter Haven Florida, is the principle supporter for the Kings Kids program in partnership with Boys & Girls Clubs of the Suncoast, St. Petersburg Florida

[BroncoFiend]

We should just take Leinart off the Cardinals hands and have him back up Cutler. He did a good job of taking a backseat to Cutler on Sunday ;).

Seriously, I would overpay Jake to stick around, but barring that, we need to go the veteran route, and arm strength would be irrelevant. We would need a guy to manage the game and not make mistakes.

Brad Johnson

Tim Rattay

Kelly Holcomb

Jay Fiedler (assuming his shoulder is healed up)

[-Slap-]

Tim Rattay would be a good choice. San Francisco should have kept him over Smith.

[jmz313]

Volek and Rattay should be competing for starting jobs. I think it would be hard to get either to sign here unless it's their only option, which it shouldn't be.

Am I the only one who thinks both these guys got bad deals from their respective past teams? Tenn and SF? not to change the path of my orignal post but how long is Matt Shaub going to put up with watching vick lose games before begging his way out of ATL.

[crowebomber]

Bledsoe will probably be available after this year. Not that mobile, but a solid vet with a good arm. I like the Kerry Collins idea for his arm strength.

[jmz313]

Bledsoe is still too proud to take a backup job. He'll probably catch on somewhere. He can still be very effective if the team has a good pass blocking line. I could imagine him on his back here as much as he was in Dallas this year.

[DarkHorse]

Draft

[plummershelper]

Ramsey will be done in NY next year. How about him?

[Florida_Bronco]

Volek and Rattay should be competing for starting jobs. I think it would be hard to get either to sign here unless it's their only option, which it shouldn't be.

Am I the only one who thinks both these guys got bad deals from their respective past teams? Tenn and SF? not to change the path of my orignal post but how long is Matt Shaub going to put up with watching vick lose games before begging his way out of ATL.

I agree. Volek is a talented quarterback who, if I recall correctly, Denver made a serious run at a few years ago. Don't know a whole lot about Rattay though.

[WoodMan]

Jarious Jackson is as good as it gets when holding a clipboard. ROFL! I hear he is still working out with Spencer Haygood in the Denver parks. Ha!

[youcandoit1687]

i like shaun king too. i always thought he played very well, but at that time i was only about 8 years old. whoever we pick up though, i want us to bring in a rookie(6th, 7th, or UDFA) for the long term. drew tate would probably be there and would be a decent backup fit for the future.

[azbroncfan]

How about pickle smooching Jeff Garcia? Philly probably doesn't let him go now. Gus Ferrotte? Where is he? If Lions let Josh McNown he would be perfect.

[crush17]

Gus Frerotte.

[Sir Mawn]

Jake Plummer

[DeusExManning]

I think we need a veteran, that is key.

[Crushaholic]

Damon Huard :~ohyah!:

[CHANGSTER]

Trent Dilfer. Probably could give the kid a few tips and still could play if needed. im serious haha.

[cabronco]

I'd like to see Plummer return, but if he bolts then I'd like to see a Volek/ Rattay, possibly Gus Frerote (sp). Just say no to bvp.

[usedupbraids]

I think jake will stay with the broncos in sign a new contract lower than the one he has.

[Dendave]

Vinnie Testeverde? Jeff George?

[Smiling Assassin27]

Tim Rattay would be the first guy I'd look at.

[broncolife]

Give me some Flutie Flakes. Why not go with a small qb for our small O-line.hahahaha

[Orange_Beard]

No Drew bledsoe. The guy is horrible.
I would rather have a rookie.

I think Jake will look around and see that there is no interest in him. He will take a reduced contact and stay.

[broncosteven]

Is Shaun King still mobile though, he's gotten pretty old.

Personally I'd like to see us spin a 5th rounder to the Bears for Orton. He won't play with both Grossman and Griese under contract, they've burt up two of his three years of contract now anyways, they'd probably be happy to get a 5th rounder out of him, we get a #2 QB who is still young but has almost a whole season of experience under his belt and an arm that doesn't require us to change the gameplan if Cutler is down. We'll also get a 2nd year of him for fairly cheap as I don't think he'll attract a ton of attention as an RFA.


Whoreton is terrible. The only reason he did so well with Duh Bears was because the D won a lot of his games. I would rather use that 5th round pick on a QB in the draft. BTW wasn't Whorton a 4th rounderer?

I would try to bring Ferrotte back, I would be to scared to see Plummer back under center again after seeing what a real QB could do.

If no Ferrotte go for another ageing vet.

[broncofn4]

David Carr may be available

[jmz313]

Dilfer ain't bad. he ain't good, but not bad. He knows the caretaker role but won;t ever be counted on to make the big play. Carr will want to compete for a starting gig and I don't want someone that could try and hinder cutler's development.

No Way Jake stays. He'll get better offers to compete for a starting job then denver will offer for his to stay as a Backup.

Flutie would be awesome, not only can he back up cutler, if elam goes down he can drop kick our extra pts.

[~Crash~]

I put this as a option on another thread. I am not sure what his contract situation is, but i would like to see someone like Kelly Holcomb back up Cutler. He has experience and when needed could come in and actually "help" the team, not hurt it.


I agree Kelly Holcomb I love what he brings hope we somehow snatch him up if we can .

[Hogan11]

Gus Frerotte.

That'd be my choice if Plummer didn't return....no way do I want Linus Van Pelt back here.

[Clockwork Orange]

I think Frerotte still lives in Colorado. He'd be my first choice.

[illbroncsfn]

1) David Carr (pipedream though)
2) Gus Frerotte
3) Trent Dilfer

[Dudeskey]

A few I wouldn't mind in consideration:
- Tim Rattay
- Drew Bledsoe
- Billy Volek
okay, and maybe Greasy... not!

[DeusExManning]

Gus Frerotte.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/michael_silver/12/20/Gus/index.html

According to this SI article Gus will never play for Mike because he screwed him out of incentives when he played for the Broncos by Benching him the last game.

[DBroncos4life]

Zac Taylor :homer:

[Dudeskey]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/michael_silver/12/20/Gus/index.html

According to this SI article Gus will never play for Mike because he screwed him out of incentives when he played for the Broncos by Benching him the last game.

in other words, Shanny knows he'll just get the middle finger from Gus

[Finger Roll]

When is charlie batch contract up? I would love to have him as a backup. My a top in order

1. Tim Rattay
2. Billy Volek
3. Brian Griese
4. Gus Frerotte
5. John Kitna (is he available)

[Dudeskey]

When is charlie batch contract up? I would love to have him as a backup.

Me too, but Batch is most likely a Steeler for life, Pittsburgh is his hometown and seems happy w/ his situation- or so I've read.

[baja]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/michael_silver/12/20/Gus/index.html

According to this SI article Gus will never play for Mike because he screwed him out of incentives when he played for the Broncos by Benching him the last game.

That is not Mike's MO.

[long beach bronco]

How about Kurt Warner or Tim Hasselback.

[Kaylore]

I want Brad Johnson. I'd even trade a pick for him. He'd be a good compliment to Jay's gunslinger style. He's smart, great character, played with and against some of the best defenses in the league and he's won a super bowl. It'd be hard to find a better brain to pick when you need advice for how to attack a defense or what it's like to play in big games.

[watermock]

I think we should draft one and also get a vet.

Trust me...Tate out of Iowa would be an ideal young backup. Iowa has really struggled and Texas is going to destroy them in the Alamo bowl. He's light and undersized, but has a very good arm and mobility to scramble in desperate times. He's completely fallen off the radar after being briefly mentioned as a Heisman candidate last year.

I'm not sure if he will come out or try to redeem himself, but if he does declare, he's worth a 5th or 6th IMO. He's pulled some Flutiesque wabbits out of his hat more than once. That's who he reminds me of to a tee but he's at least 6 foot. With the bad Iowa year and his size, he will go late and I think would be an ideal backup in time.

Chances are you need a scrappy, mobile QB if Jay were *God Forbid* to go down. Someone who might be able to use his feet and mobility. His arm is remarkably strong for his weight. We can make him bigger, stronger, faster. Ha!

This isn't Homer talking...I honestly think he could be a good backup for what his skills are. He needs to bulk up tho. He might even go undrafted. I bet he comes back after this bad year.

[Florida_Bronco]

I think we should draft one and also get a vet.

Trust me...Tate out of Iowa would be an ideal young backup. Iowa has really struggled and Texas is going to destroy them in the Alamo bowl. He's light and undersized, but has a very good arm and mobility to scramble in desperate times. He's completely fallen off the radar after being briefly mentioned as a Heisman candidate last year.

I'm not sure if he will come out or try to redeem himself, but if he does declare, he's worth a 5th or 6th IMO. He's pulled some Flutiesque wabbits out of his hat more than once. That's who he reminds me of to a tee but he's at least 6 foot. With the bad Iowa year and his size, he will go late and I think would be an ideal backup in time.

Chances are you need a scrappy, mobile QB if Jay were *God Forbid* to go down. Someone who might be able to use his feet and mobility. His arm is remarkably strong for his weight. We can make him bigger, stronger, faster. Ha!

This isn't Homer talking...I honestly think he could be a good backup for what his skills are. He needs to bulk up tho. He might even go undrafted. I bet he comes back after this bad year.

Well, I doubt that Tate is going to be cool with going to a team as a long term backup. I also am not really warming up to the idea of a rookie backing up Jay Cutler.

[SprintRightOption]

We can't draft a rookie for next year. We may be a strong Superbowl contending team next year, can't afford to turn it over to a 5th round noodle armer or option QB for a few games if something happens to Jay. We need a competent veteran backup that knows he his place is to hopefully not play all year, but could fill in like Bubby Brister did in 98.

I think Jake would not be so great. Too many fans hate him, he thinks he can start somewhere, and other teams will pay him more than we could on a renegociated contract for a backup QB. Rattay, Warner, someone like that who can pass and isn't stupid. But I think Jay will not be injury prone - he has shown a little Brady in him avoid a big hit with one step.

[broncogary]

According to Houston radio today, the Texans think they might be able to get a fifth rounder for Carr.

Personally, I wouldn't give it.

[Dudeskey]

I want Brad Johnson. I'd even trade a pick for him. He'd be a good compliment to Jay's gunslinger style. He's smart, great character, played with and against some of the best defenses in the league and he's won a super bowl. It'd be hard to find a better brain to pick when you need advice for how to attack a defense or what it's like to play in big games.

We definitely need a veteran guy as a #2, and Johnson fits damn near everything we could ask for at this stage of Cutler's development. Given he accepts that role of course.

[Finger Roll]

I would

[ro_50]

Does anyone have a list of potential free agent quarterbacks this offseason?

[DBroncos4life]

Does anyone have a list of potential free agent quarterbacks this offseason?

http://www.theredzone.org/2007/freeagents/showposition.asp?Position=QB

[youcandoit1687]

tate is a senior this year and i think he will probably be a 6th rounder to UDFA. i want him as a longterm backup but i agree we need a vet backup for a couple years.

brooks bollinger maybe? i like shaun king as well.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

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Not great choices. But of that group it'd have to be Rattay or Collins.
Rattay for is experence in the West coast offense and Collins for his "arm strength".

[telluride]

Rumor has it that Favre retires, then joins Shanny as a back-up for the Donks.

Of course, it's my rumor, but stilll.

[~Crash~]

Collins, Kerry UFA Titans
Garcia, Jeff UFA Eagles
of that list is my only choice the rest will cost to much or plain suck!

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

Collins, Kerry UFA Titans
Garcia, Jeff UFA Eagles
of that list is my only choice the rest will cost to much or plain suck!

You don't think that Eagles resign Garcia?

[Borks147]

Seriously, I would overpay Jake to stick around, but barring that, we need to go the veteran route, and arm strength would be irrelevant. We would need a guy to manage the game and not make mistakes.


Jay Fiedler (assuming his shoulder is healed up)

yeah Dartmouth alumn! aaahh hockey's all we've got....

[Borks147]

Also, if we get Chris Simms, papa Simms' secret obsession/homerism for the broncos will only grow....

[maven]

I'd bring in Jeff Garcia. He signed a 1 year deal in Philly. Though the way he's playing the price might have went up.

[listopencil]

Jeff Garcia, Damon Huard, Tim Rattay, Matt Shaub, Marques Tuiososopo.


Not necessarily in that order.

[maven]

Any veteran west coast offense QB will do. Rattay, Dilfer, Garcia. Someone around Plummer's age. A wily vet who manages to hang around and be productive when called on.

[watermock]

I didn't say to take Tate without a vet too.

I thought he was still a Junior. I never get anyone I want anyway so I'm not holding my breath.

He's kinda got a Flutiesque aura about him. If he's there around the the 5th let's snag him. We bring in an old crow with him.

[Crushaholic]

What Huard did for the Chiefs was remarkable and would do fantastic as a backup. The only problem is that some team will give him a shot at being the starter...

[Kaylore]

What Huard did for the Chiefs was remarkable and would do fantastic as a backup. The only problem is that some team will give him a shot at being the starter...

Yes...the Kansas City Chiefs after Green retires.

[maven]

What Huard did for the Chiefs was remarkable and would do fantastic as a backup. The only problem is that some team will give him a shot at being the starter...

And if that remotely happens... What teams? The guy is up there in age, along with Plummer, which teams will not give full opportunity to QB a team for more than 2 years. He's a tossed around vet. Not somenone to commit fully for multiple years and future endeavors.

[Popps]

Garcia might get a starting look somewhere, folks. I have no idea why we didn't bring him in when we had the chance.(s)

I'm also shocked that Miami hasn't dialed his number yet. That franchise has just been abysmal at QB since Marino left. Wouldn't be surprised to see him wind up there this off-season.

[Kaylore]

Garcia might get a starting look somewhere, folks. I have no idea why we didn't bring him in when we had the chance.(s)

I'm also shocked that Miami hasn't dialed his number yet. That franchise has just been abysmal at QB since Marino left. Wouldn't be surprised to see him wind up there this off-season.

We actually did. Even Walsh went public suggesting it was a good fit but Garcia wasn't interested.

[maven]

Garcia might get a starting look somewhere, folks. I have no idea why we didn't bring him in when we had the chance.(s)

I'm also shocked that Miami hasn't dialed his number yet. That franchise has just been abysmal at QB since Marino left. Wouldn't be surprised to see him wind up there this off-season.

Why bring in Garcia when the Broncos drafted Jay Cutler? A highly drafted QB is almost always immediately the backup QB.

Culpepper is the starting QB next season. And Garcia isn't an upgrade over a fully healthy Pep.

[Crushaholic]

And if that remotely happens... What teams? The guy is up there in age, along with Plummer, which teams will not give full opportunity to QB a team for more than 2 years. He's a tossed around vet. Not somenone to commit fully for multiple years and future endeavors.

I actually can see him in Cleveland and giving Charlie Frye a year or two to learn how to be an NFL quarterback. He probably doesn't have much left in the tank, but he would be valuable for a team whose QBOTF just isn't quite ready...

[Popps]

Why bring in Garcia when the Broncos drafted Jay Cutler? A highly drafted QB is almost always immediately the backup QB.


Garcia has been kicking around the FA market for a few years. Didn't just mean THIS year.

And Garcia isn't an upgrade over a fully healthy Pep.

Culpepper is horrifically, incredibly bad. I mean, difficult to comprehend bad.
He literally looks like he has no idea what to do at any given time.
Just about anyone is an upgrade over him.

[maven]

Garcia has been kicking around the FA market for a few years. Didn't just mean THIS year.



Culpepper is horrifically, incredibly bad. I mean, difficult to comprehend bad.
He literally looks like he has no idea what to do at any given time.
Just about anyone is an upgrade over him.

Glad Garcia has been kicking it around the past few years and Denver didn't sign the deal. You never know and maybe Cutler might not be a bronco right now.

Regarding Pep. His knee was giving him major problems this year. It clearly showed on his passes, scrambling ability, confidence, and pocket awareness since it was obvious he didn't trush his knee. People tend to forget how bad he blew out his knee. Though he made a decent recovery, the Dolphins rushed him when he never should've been playing. Remember, they dumped a lot of cash and a 2nd round pick on him. Of'course they want him out there immediately, but that was definately the wrong move. And I thought that myself. Get this guy ready by midseason, not training camp. He was never ready to assume control, but Saban made the wrong move by rushing him. Sure Pep wanted to eagerly play, but the coach should've realized he was nowhere near ready to take snaps in mini camp and let alone training camp. Saban made an error and rushed Pep back too soon. Realizing this he essentially dumped him on IR.

[Taco John]

Garcia might get a starting look somewhere, folks. I have no idea why we didn't bring him in when we had the chance.(s)

I'm also shocked that Miami hasn't dialed his number yet. That franchise has just been abysmal at QB since Marino left. Wouldn't be surprised to see him wind up there this off-season.

We tried to bring Garcia in last year. He wanted to pursue a starting role with the Lions. This past offseason, we didn't even bother because we had Cutler. Can you imagine Plummer if we brought in BOTH Garcia and Cutler. He might try throwing with his feet!

[-Slap-]

I want Brad Johnson. I'd even trade a pick for him. He'd be a good compliment to Jay's gunslinger style. He's smart, great character, played with and against some of the best defenses in the league and he's won a super bowl. It'd be hard to find a better brain to pick when you need advice for how to attack a defense or what it's like to play in big games.

That's what Beuerlein gave us, but he was too broken down to actually play anymore. The guy has to provide more than intangibles in case he's forced to actually take the field.

[bpc]

Mark me down for Chris Leak in the 4th round. He could be a Matt Schaub type for us. Great pure passer who will slide because of his height.

[plummershelper]

I know it's not the sexy name, but chances are decent that Preston Parsons could be the backup. There were some good words about him in the preseason. maybe he can grow into it.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Brad Johnson will go straight to coaching when his career is over. Possible he could take over as Georgia's OC next year as the current guy just took another position and Johnson is Mark Richt's brother in law.

[bpc]

Screw Brad Johnson. That guy is done and he is too worried about being compensated when he does anything good at all. The last thing I want to hear is how a 40 year old QB should be making more money.

Leak is going to be one of those guys who slips through the cracks because of Meyer's use of him at UF. HIs first two years there he looked amazing. Shanahan could get him back up to speed. He has a rifle on his arm with good touch. Just a tad short.

[Kaylore]

It would be incredibly stupid wasting a draft pick on another young player so we have a rookie backing up a guy who hasn't even started a full season. Yeah, that makes sense: If Cutler gets hurt we get to watch Leak "Develop".

We need a veteran to compliment Jay's youth and give him another source he can utilize in the film room and on the sidelines.

[bpc]

It would be incredibly stupid wasting a draft pick on another young player so we have a rookie backing up a guy who hasn't even started a full season. Yeah, that makes sense: If Cutler gets hurt we get to watch Leak "Develop".

We need a veteran to compliment Jay's youth and give him another source he can utilize in the film room and on the sidelines.

Yep, looks like it has hurt Atlanta a lot. So stupid that some GM's are considering trading a first round pick for Schaub. That would pain me to develope two QB's at the same time. Heaven forbid that we don't put all of our eggs in one baskets and have an alternate route available should we need it.

Kaylore you aren't showing much foresight buddy. I wouldn't mind having a talented group of players like we have buildingtoward the future and sending a pick that has been the Marc Campbell's of the yearfor a young talented backup QB. We could later parlay that into a high draft pick and more talent. These are all things we need to do since we never usually pick before 20. Don't ride the waive, set it.

[Florida_Bronco]

Yep, looks like it has hurt Atlanta a lot. So stupid that some GM's are considering trading a first round pick for Schaub. That would pain me to develope two QB's at the same time. Heaven forbid that we don't put all of our eggs in one baskets and have an alternate route available should we need it.

Kaylore you aren't showing much foresight buddy. I wouldn't mind having a talented group of players like we have buildingtoward the future and sending a pick that has been the Marc Campbell's of the yearfor a young talented backup QB. We could later parlay that into a high draft pick and more talent. These are all things we need to do since we never usually pick before 20. Don't ride the waive, set it.

Schaub is definetly the exception, not the rule. Generally speaking, you are not going to get equal or higher return on a draft pick after a couple years, especially a quarterback.

You're also not taking into account the fact that just about every rookie quarterback is going to want to start unless they are late 2nd day picks. They are not going to want to go to a team when there is no chance of a starting job.

Next, what good does a rookie quarterback do us as a backup? The whole point of a veteran backup is to provide support to the young starter as well as being able to come in and play if neccesary. A rookie quarterback isn't going to be able to pat Jay on the back and say "**** happens" when he throws a pick. Also, should the rookie need to play, you're going to have an offense run by a rookie. If you have a veteran, you can usually run your offense the same way.

[Kaylore]

Yep, looks like it has hurt Atlanta a lot. So stupid that some GM's are considering trading a first round pick for Schaub. That would pain me to develope two QB's at the same time. Heaven forbid that we don't put all of our eggs in one baskets and have an alternate route available should we need it.

Kaylore you aren't showing much foresight buddy. I wouldn't mind having a talented group of players like we have buildingtoward the future and sending a pick that has been the Marc Campbell's of the yearfor a young talented backup QB. We could later parlay that into a high draft pick and more talent. These are all things we need to do since we never usually pick before 20. Don't ride the waive, set it.
Boy that's kind of reach. How often does that ever happen? Like twice in the last five years?

I'm about making the team better. Cutler is the starter now. He's had the benefit of cerebral giants like Preston Parsons and Jake Plummer around to tell him about quarterbacking. If Kubiak was still here another rookie would be fine because Kubes is a QB savant.

Unfortunately he's not so we have a less-skilled less-experienced young guy in Parsons and Plummer, who is a vet with moxie and athleticism, but when it comes to knowing mechanics and understanding how attack man a cover-2 defense, isn't on my short list of experts.

Cutler needs someone who is disciplined and experienced to be a resource of knowledge and to critique his game on the fundamentals, not some young scrub who will just massage his ego every time they practice.

[Taco John]

I'd rather have a veteran than another rookie around. And if you examine Mike's MO, I'm sure that's what we'll do. Mike brought in guys like Billy Musgrave, Bubby Brister, Gus Frerrotte, and Steve Beuerlein.

I wonder if Steve Young would ever be interested in coaching? I'd love to see him start out as a QB coach and work his way up to Offensive Coordinator. It would be hard for him to put in that type of work though, after retiring.

[bpc]

Schaub is definetly the exception, not the rule. Generally speaking, you are not going to get equal or higher return on a draft pick after a couple years, especially a quarterback.

You're also not taking into account the fact that just about every rookie quarterback is going to want to start unless they are late 2nd day picks. They are not going to want to go to a team when there is no chance of a starting job.

Next, what good does a rookie quarterback do us as a backup? The whole point of a veteran backup is to provide support to the young starter as well as being able to come in and play if neccesary. A rookie quarterback isn't going to be able to pat Jay on the back and say "**** happens" when he throws a pick. Also, should the rookie need to play, you're going to have an offense run by a rookie. If you have a veteran, you can usually run your offense the same way.

As great as it would be to land a vet backup, good luck. In the last few years we have tried to sign Garcia, Harringont, Frerotte, Stewart, Steve Young, and Trent Dilfer. We have landed none. Who wants and commands to start more, guys like these or rookies?


We probably won't get equal or great value for a backup QB, but that isn't the reason you draft them. YOu draft them for a capable QB to guide your team. With vet's becoming harder and harder for us to sign, we don't always have the best options. Need I remind anybody that BVP was our backup two years ago? ARE WE REALLY THAT AFRAID of drafting a young QB? I doubt it. As for the return, it can come with success. Need I remeind anybody of Jeff Lewis anybody?


The whole Vet being a backup doesn't always hold weight. Maybe if you are lucky, but not usually. You think Joey Harrington or Brian Griese would be patting a young QB on the back? You think Griese is patting Grossman on the back right now? Get the hell out of here, they could care less and want to start. The state of the NFL is that the better teams are spread thin... hence why most have young backups.

Baltimore- McNair/Boller, Buffalo-Losman/Holcombe, Cincy-Palmer/Wright, Clevelan-Frye/Anderson, Houston-Carr/BVP, Indy-Manning/Sorgi, Jax-Gerrard/Leftwhich, KC- Green/Huard, Miami-Harrington/Culpepper, NE- Brady/Cassel, NY-Pennington/Clemmens, Oak-Brooks/Walters, Pitt-Rothlisberger/Batch, SD- Rivers/Volek, Tenn- Young/Collins

Of the AFC, most backups are young drafted players who get developed within the systemsor are washouts from another team. If you don't do it that way you have to overpay for stop gap vets who want to take a young QB's job. In most cases if you lose your starting QB to injury a teams season is over.

I say again, a player like Leak would be the best option for us. We could probably take him in round 4 and we would be passing up what? The Aaron's Hunts of the world for a premium backup who is smart enough to know his role. He also could develop in to a tradable comodity. You can pray for the Jeff Garcia's of the world otherwise but they have passed us up before. IF we went that route I wouldn't mind going after a guy like Ramsey from the Jets I think he is a FA.

[bpc]

I'd rather have a veteran than another rookie around. And if you examine Mike's MO, I'm sure that's what we'll do. Mike brought in guys like Billy Musgrave, Bubby Brister, Gus Frerrotte, and Steve Beuerlein.

I wonder if Steve Young would ever be interested in coaching? I'd love to see him start out as a QB coach and work his way up to Offensive Coordinator. It would be hard for him to put in that type of work though, after retiring.

If you want a solid Vet around we might as well keep Plummer, the rest aren't even worth talking about right now.

Shanahan has tried to bring in vets over the past few years. It hasn't worked. Hence the Matt Mauck, BVD experiment the last few years.

[Odysseus]

I don't want a Quarterback whose happy to sit on the bench looking wise, noble and satisfied. Anybody seen Dante Bichette lately? The picture of happieness and contentment. Vinnie Castilla should take a look at the retired Rockies baseball starters as a warning sign instead of the "good old days".

Jake has to go because he needs to compete somewhere. I think that is a good thing for Jay and for Jake. I like Jake Plummer and think he's done a lot of good for Cutler despite fans lack of appreciation.

I want Jay Cutler to use as much of his considerable talent as he can. You don't sharpen a tool by letting it rust. Jay is smart....really smart. I think putting in a backup QB who doesn't challenge him on any level is just stupid. Give the guy someone who give the Broncos a chance to win under center as well as a guy who wants to compete.

Competition under center means you get the best available guy out there to back up your guy.

[BroncoInferno]

It would be incredibly stupid wasting a draft pick on another young player so we have a rookie backing up a guy who hasn't even started a full season. Yeah, that makes sense: If Cutler gets hurt we get to watch Leak "Develop".

We need a veteran to compliment Jay's youth and give him another source he can utilize in the film room and on the sidelines.

I think drafting a talented QB in the 3rd or 4th round is a great idea. Obviously, you would not want that player as the backup next season, but in a couple of seasons could prove to be a valuable asset, if not on the field, then as someone to parlay into a higher draft pick(s) from a QB needy team. Green Bay was very successful with late round QBs under Ron Wolf, landing relatively high picks for three different Favre backups (Mark Brunnell, Matt Hasselback, Aaron Brooks).

[watermock]

I wonder if Steve Young would ever be interested in coaching?

Only the Blues Brothers would be able to get Young out of that high paying TV gig. Why would he prefer to put in a couple hours a week when he could work 80 for less money?

Brad Johnson started out ok, but has completely sucked...trust me, I get every HornHead game...he's benched for a nobody, well, the second nobody in two weeks. He's just as done as Brunell.

It's hard to say what will happen...I still say Tate would make an excellent backup, but I would bring in a Vet as well. Tate would likely be willing to be a backup, not sure tho...he's just too undersized.

[bendog]

Rattay. Or Mauck. I liked Mauck as a backup.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

It'll be a vet with actual NFL experience. So no to a draft pick, and no to BVP who has less game experience than Cutler doees.

[watermock]

This might sound crazy, but I consider Jay a vet allready unless he dramatically regresses the last two games or more if we make the playoffs. He carried himself like a true vet last week, let's see if he can keep it up against a third playoff team.

He might be 1-2 but we were tied before Coyer inexplicably went to a prevent in a tie game against Seattle.

I think we can find room for a day two QB plus a vet.

[Kaylore]

I say again, a player like Leak would be the best option for us. We could probably take him in round 4 and we would be passing up what? The Aaron's Hunts of the world for a premium backup who is smart enough to know his role. He also could develop in to a tradable comodity. You can pray for the Jeff Garcia's of the world otherwise but they have passed us up before. IF we went that route I wouldn't mind going after a guy like Ramsey from the Jets I think he is a FA.

Leak isn't even a good fit for our system. I think you're just homering on Leak or you'd offer more than one guy as an option.

[bendog]

Kitna?

I can see Jake in Detwhat next year.

[bpc]

Leak isn't even a good fit for our system. I think you're just homering on Leak or you'd offer more than one guy as an option.

Well I know more about Leak than most of the others. When I sit down and read about them maybe that will change. Then again I'm not interested in taking any QB's higher than round 4 and with Leak, he is a shorter QB with a strong arm and is bright. No, he isn't the ideal guy for our system but neither was Beuerlein, Frerotte or Griese. The fact is the guy can throw the ball around. I think he was delt a tough hand this year but his future is bright and he has a chance to become a good veteran QB.

That isn't called homering, its seeing good value with a certain pick and encouraging other Bronco fans to the pro's of it. Like I said, I would totally be a fan of getting a guy like Garcia in here but for one reason or another we haven't been successful in doing that.

[Odysseus]

Don't ride the waive, set it.

I don't mind quarterbacks who have "been in the league" but the current crop of "veterans" are nothing I have any confidence in. The list of QB who would be good coaches is small.

Why don't we bring back Elway as a QB coach? He's backing away from the car business. His name gets dragged into every other thread. Why not this one? Peyton would be jealous I'm sure. :thanku:

[youcandoit1687]

Leak isn't even a good fit for our system. I think you're just homering on Leak or you'd offer more than one guy as an option.


why do you say that?

leak is short so wed get him outside the pocket, he has good hips and mobility although his straight speed is lacking, good footwork, good arm, smart. i see he and tate as good fits although tate would probly be cheaper because of iowa's horrible year and florida's great year.

[Kaylore]

why do you say that?

leak is short so wed get him outside the pocket, he has good hips and mobility although his straight speed is lacking, good footwork, good arm, smart. i see he and tate as good fits although tate would probly be cheaper because of iowa's horrible year and florida's great year.

Leaks is and wants to be a drop-back pocket passer. It's been awkward enough for him as it is trying play in Urban Meyer's system. I also have a feeling that we are going to get bigger up front next year and we don't need another short QB in our system that can't see over the line. The same thing goes for Drew Tate.

I just am having difficulty thinking we'll draft a rookie to backup Jay.

1. It's just like any other draft pick where there is a good chance they won't be able to make the transition in the NFL. What if the guy gets to camp and he just can't put it together?

2. If Jay gets hurt do you really want to turn the season over to some project rookie that has never played in the NFL to try and salvage the season?

3. We have other areas on the team that we could fix with draft picks. A QB isn't an area we should waste opportunities. Backup QB is a position of high turnover so I'd rather see us use a pick on a spot that will remain on the roster for some time, like a decent punter.

[bpc]

Leaks is and wants to be a drop-back pocket passer. It's been awkward enough for him as it is trying play in Urban Meyer's system. I also have a feeling that we are going to get bigger up front next year and we don't need another short QB in our system that can't see over the line. The same thing goes for Drew Tate.

There is nothing wrong with being a drop back passer in the NFL. In fact I think having a traditional a pocket passer makes our backups harder to defend because they are different from what we usually look for in our QB's. Then again Leak is not much different than say a guy like Brian Griese and although I'm not a huge fan he was good enough to get us a split in most games. I think Leak has a way better passing arm than Brian did and some might call me crazy but I think Leak is comparable to Drew Brees in a lot of ways. Plus, this is the pro's where we will never see a spread offense which couldn't be farther from Leak's talents.

I just am having difficulty thinking we'll draft a rookie to backup Jay.

As I said I would rather get a guy like Garcia... we just have been largely unsuccessful bringin a guy like him in.

1. It's just like any other draft pick where there is a good chance they won't be able to make the transition in the NFL. What if the guy gets to camp and he just can't put it together?

Leak is easily a better QB than Matt Mauck or BVP who we let backup our QB for one season. Trust me the difference between the two is light years.

2. If Jay gets hurt do you really want to turn the season over to some project rookie that has never played in the NFL to try and salvage the season?

Not really but we haven't had been able to get the premium backups. I imagine it will be tougher with Cutler digging in for the long haul this season with how he is improving.

3. We have other areas on the team that we could fix with draft picks. A QB isn't an area we should waste opportunities. Backup QB is a position of high turnover so I'd rather see us use a pick on a spot that will remain on the roster for some time, like a decent punter.

Isn't it obvious that we have had a glaring deficiency at QBV for some time? I'm tired of backup QB's being an issue. OUr play revolves around the QB being able to come in and lead this team to a win. If we should be adding talent anywhere on this roster it should be at QB. I think punter is insanity. If we don't like the one we had why didn't re resign Sauerbrun? This draft is going to be shallow in some areas. We should help our team where we can. Leak would be a very good pickup.

[Barry Ramey]

I can see the Broncos wanting to draft a QB to be the 3rd QB for next year, but this is a weak draft for QB's it seems.

I don't want Van Pelt brought back. He can run, but that's about it. I'd like a vetean guy who can at least hit open guys underneath.

Maybe Frerotte could be brought back. Rattay could be a possibility as well. Collins wouln't be too bad either.

As for Volek, that might not happen since Fisher was not really thrilled with him when they had to trade him after he demanded a trade, which was not the first time. Since Shanahan and Fisher are buddies, chances are Fisher may not have good things to say about Volek.

[Barry Ramey]

Oh, forgot, I don't think Leak will be much of an NFL QB. John Beck of BYU won't be a high pick and could be a decent backup QB in time or even Brent Ratliff of Utah.

[bpc]

I think Leak will be a good QB especially if he is given time to develop. He has played well despite his circumstances the last couple of seasons being forced to perform in a offense that does not fit his style of play. He has been forced to develop his passing game which is his forte. He has thrown for 87 TD's in his career. He has 50 career starts, about 40 of those in the SEC, a conference widely regarded as the closest simulation to NFL style football and speed. He completes over 60% of his passes as of his senior year.

To pass on this guy saying he isn't athletic enough or whatever is crazy. You can knock him a little for his size but if we passed on this guy in the 4th round it would be crazy. He is going to be good. Especially if he can sit for a few years and just develop. He has amazing touch on his passes and he complete short, medium and long passes.

I just think its funny how a guy like this is getting dissed. I would fortunate to have this guy. Even if we were lucky enough to get a vet like Garcia, I would still hope we take a chance on a guy like this. He would be a perfect 3rd QB, soon to be crafted into a quality 2nd QB.

OTHER Guys I like that I wouldn't mind taking a flier on... Jordan Palmer from UTEP, Jeff Rowe from Nevada, or Zac Taylor from Nebraska. All have more size than Leak. I still like Leak the best.

[Triplelefthook]

Bring back Head-butt Gus

[bpc]

I don't know if this has been posted but this won't help our cause in trying to bring in vet's... Gus will not come back... ever. Players that read this will follow. Its pretty damaging to Mike's rep. You think there is a reason we can never get guys like Garcia or even Kordell Stewart... this might have something to do with it. The NFL is like a fraternity and word gets round.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/michael_silver/12/20/Gus/1.html

[usedupbraids]

Bring Back Elway

[Barry Ramey]

I'm just not a fan of Leak. 5'11 type QB's have limited careers in the NFL. Palmer has the size and arm, but seems to have troubles with accuracy. Both Rowe and Taylor look the part, but both are labeled having average arm strength.

[Kaylore]

Mark Brunnell! He's mobile, experienced and Shanahan has had luck working with mobile lefties. I'd trade a pick for him!

[Barry Ramey]

Mark Brunnell! He's mobile, experienced and Shanahan has had luck working with mobile lefties. I'd trade a pick for him!

You're kidding right? Brunell isn't very mobile anymore. No way should they even consider dealing a pick to get him either.

[baja]

Mark Brunnell! He's mobile, experienced and Shanahan has had luck working with mobile lefties. I'd trade a pick for him!

Thatt's a good idea maybe Washington will give us a third rounder if we agree to take him off their hands.