Jay is leading the league in TD for Completion percentage

[Taco John]

I did the research and found out something wonderful about our wonderkid...

In his third start, he's already leading the league in TD:Completion ratio.

The following numbers determine an average on how many completions it takes a quarterback to find the endzone. They are derived by dividing the number of completions by the number of touchdowns thrown.

Here is how they rate:


1. Jay Cutler - 8
2. Michael Vick - 9.84
3. Donovan McNabb - 10
4. Matt Hasselbeck - 10.35
5. Rex Grossman - 10.90
6. Tony Romo - 11.43
7. Carson Palmer - 11.79
8. Peyton Manning - 12.26
9. Tom Brady - 12.54
10. Eli Manning - 12.72
11. Damon Huard - 13.27
12. JP Losman - 13.47
13. Drew Brees - 13.56
14. Philip Rivers - 14.16
15. Alex Smith - 14.8
16. Big Ben - 15.37
17. Vince Young - 15.6
18. Jake Plummer - 15.90
19. Jake Delhomme - 16
20. Mark Bulger - 17.15
21. Brett Favre - 17.41
22. Joey Harrington - 18
23. Chad Pennington - 18.46
24. Steve McNair - 19.30
25. Bruce Gradkowski - 19.66
26. Mark Brunell - 20.25
27. Matt Leinart - 20.5
28. Jon Kitna - 22.64
29. Charlie Frye - 22.7
30. David Carr - 27.7
31 Brad Johnson - 29.88

[Kaylore]

It's his style. Bigger, longer throws down field. With the exception of a few, most of the guys at the top of that list have big arms.

[watermock]

Throwing those long TD's to Walker and Marshall just give the other team time to come back...we need to trade for Griese

[Taco John]

Here are the average number of throws it takes a quarterback to throw an interception. When you look at this, the first thing you want to do is thank our lucky stars that KC always manages to do something dumb like benching the hot hand.

1. Damon Huard - 146 (146 throws, only 1 INT)
2. Mark Bulger - 40.75
3. Mark Brunell - 40.5
4. Peyton Manning - 35.44
5. Philip Rivers - 31.87
6. Drew Brees - 30.81
7. Donovan McNabb - 30
8. Steve McNair - 27.88
9. Carson Palmer - 25.72
10. David Carr - 25.18
11. Tom Brady - 23
12. JP Losman - 22.9
13. Jake Delhomme - 21.81
14. Brett Favre - 19.73
15. Bruce Gradkowski - 19.66
16. Tony Romo - 18.3
17. Brad Johnson - 17.93
18. Chad Pennington - 17.31
19. Matt Leinart - 17.08
20. Michael Vick - 17
21. Eli Manning - 16.47
22. Jay Cutler - 16
23. Alex Smith - 15.85
24. Jon Kitna - 15.09
25. Jake Plummer - 14.58
26. Joey Harrington - 14.4
27. Charlie Frye - 14.18
28. Vince Young - 14.18
29. Rex Grossman - 14.11
30. Matt Hasselbeck - 13.53
31. Big Ben - 12.3

[Elidar]

you're not serious about this one are you? After week 3 the NFL's leading rusher was likely on pace to shatter every rushing record.

Over time all statistics generally get a bit mediocre. Or else Tomlinson would be considered the most efficient passer in the NFL.

[Kaylore]

you're not serious about this one are you? After week 3 the NFL's leading rusher was likely on pace to shatter every rushing record.

Over time all statistics generally get a bit mediocre. Or else Tomlinson would be considered the most efficient passer in the NFL.

I think everyone here knows that Cutler has played three games and will have many more bad and good games. The stats are what they are and as the season goes on we'll see some changes.

[BroncoInferno]

I felt pretty good about that until I saw that Ron Mexico was second.

[Rock Chalk]

I think everyone here knows that Cutler has played three games and will have many more bad and good games. The stats are what they are and as the season goes on we'll see some changes.

Yeah, MISLEADING.

[Paladin]

Gads. Pimping again.....

[BroncoFiend]

Yeah, MISLEADING.

I'm sorry Alec, but what's the deal?

Weren't you the one who was preaching to everyone that we should support our starting QB, when Jake was in? I agreed with you then, but I was also excited to see our young gun when he got his chance.

Now that Cutler is the starter, you couldn't be more negative. Why? To what end? Do you really think he is just a young Plummer? Do you really think Plummer was playing so well that we would have taken us to the Super Bowl had we left him in?

I just don't get your attitude, this should be a fun time for the Bronco fans, and you just don't seem to be enjoying it.

[Smiling Assassin27]

that's because he's thrown so many fewer passes than everyone else. this is a reach.

[Hotrod]

I Believe :believeit

[freak6]

That stat should be better, why was Shanny calling running plays on 3rd and goal from the 2?

[Taco John]

The kid has a chance to do something no other rookie quarterback in the history of the league has ever done this Sunday. But big deal. It's nothing but a reach.

If it was Plummer leading the league, it would be a different story.

[Hotrod]

The kid has a chance to do something no other rookie quarterback in the history of the league has ever done this Sunday. But big deal. It's nothing but a reach.

If it was Plummer leading the league, it would be a different story.

LOL it would be a national headline kinda story Ha!

Were talking end of times stuff here

[Sassy]

3 starts...that's it.
Let's see where he's at after next year...

[Jason in LA]

Cutler has started his career with three straight multi TD games. I don't think too many QBs do that.

[Mile High Shack]

I'm behind our boy

He's going to need a big game for us to beat the Bengalies

[baja]

Cutler has started his career with three straight multi TD games. I don't think too many QBs do that.

Two others, marino and some guy in 1763.

[Taco John]

Two others, marino and some guy in 1763.

Uh... George Washingtooon? Duh!

[youcandoit1687]

jay averages 2 TD passes a game(and 1 INT per game), jake averaged 1 TD pass(and 1 INT per game).

jay only needed 3 games to get 6 TD passes, jake needed 7

jay had 261 yards sunday, jake didnt reach that mark all this year.

you dont need all those stats to know that jay is better than jake though, just watch. its possible that sunday was the most enjoyable game ive watched in years, up there with the NE playoff game last year.

[OrangeShadow]

stats are just fun to look at and ponder they dont really tell a whole hell of a lot IMO

[ROYC75]

Damn TJ,by your logic, LT is a sure canidate for HOF as a QB instead of a RB. Is traffic that slow on here for you to come up with carbage like this after just 3 games ?

[footstepsfrom#27]

If all this had gone "according to plan" and Jake had played through the year and then ridden off into the sunset so the young gun could take over, every hater on here would be jumping for joy if Jay played his first 3 games next season the way he's played these three.

It's about pride and not wanting to admit being wrong...nothing more.

[GreatBronco16]

If all this had gone "according to plan" and Jake had played through the year and then ridden off into the sunset so the young gun could take over, every hater on here would be jumping for joy if Jay played his first 3 games next season the way he's played these three.

It's about pride and not wanting to admit being wrong...nothing more.


TRUTH!!!

But all it is going to take is for the Broncos to miss the playoffs for all the Cutler/Shanny hating to go into full swing. Even though the playoffs were looking very dim at the time the switch was made.

[ZONA]

Let's face the facts. All the 1st team practice snaps, these late season games and the pressure to win, and hopefully some playoff experience, will be so very valuable to Cutler as he starts out next year. At least he won't be starting from scratch with all the question marks. He'll be more comfortable with the system and probably will be able to incorporate more of the playbook into the game plan. I don't believe in sitting your franchise rookie QB for the entire year. Maybe the first half of the season. Let them get used to the life, then throw them to the wolves. No matter how long they study or how much tape they watch, there's nothing like live action for the learning of a young QB.

[shaun514]

This stat is completely useless.

[Play2win]

This stat is completely useless.

It shares a lot in common with your last post.

[shaun514]

It shares a lot in common with your last post.


Consider the following two players:

1 comp 16 attempts 1 TD

13 comp 16 attemps 0 TD

Who had the better day?

[Spider]

This time next year Cutler will be annointed the second comming ......The kid has mad skills ............. By this time next year Marshal and Cutler will be able to burn a Corner like Champ .......Scheff will dominate Hashmarks and Red zone .
we get a couple of Pass Rushers , and this will be the team from hell ..........

[Play2win]

Consider the following two players:

1 comp 16 attempts 1 TD

13 comp 16 attemps 0 TD

Who had the better day?

Yeah, I Know, however that one quote goes... There are Lies, Damned Lies, and statistics...

[Play2win]

This time next year Cutler will be annointed the second comming ......The kid has mad skills ............. By this time next year Marshal and Cutler will be able to burn a Corner like Champ .......Scheff will dominate Hashmarks and Red zone .
we get a couple of Pass Rushers , and this will be the team from hell ..........

Can you imagine JAVON, MARSHAL and SCHEFF panned out across the endzone... Will CUTLER throw a Jump ball, a Fade, or FIRE it in there... Defenses are going to be sweating granades in the redzone next year.

[Spider]

Can you imagine JAVON, MARSHAL and SCHEFF panned out across the endzone... Will CUTLER throw a Jump ball, a Fade, or FIRE it in there... Defenses are going to be sweating granades in the redzone next year.

not to mention our runnin game ............. Scary kinda good

[Kaylore]

I'm sorry Alec, but what's the deal?

Weren't you the one who was preaching to everyone that we should support our starting QB, when Jake was in? I agreed with you then, but I was also excited to see our young gun when he got his chance.

Now that Cutler is the starter, you couldn't be more negative. Why? To what end? Do you really think he is just a young Plummer? Do you really think Plummer was playing so well that we would have taken us to the Super Bowl had we left him in?

I just don't get your attitude, this should be a fun time for the Bronco fans, and you just don't seem to be enjoying it.
Yeah, lately if he's not ripping on Cutler he's usually waxing poetic about Vince Young.

I haven't seen a single person dare to try and suggest that Plummer has as strong an arm or is as accurate as Cutler is. They aren't similar players in the least.

He was quick to point out Cutler's production didn't mean much because it was the Cardinals defense. That's a good point in itself, but do you remember him ripping on Plummer for having a decent game against the Colts? He's a longhorn fan and I think there is a bias against the other non-longhorn QB's. He is a bronco fan first, so eventually he'll come around.

[errand]

I did the research and found out something wonderful about our wonderkid...

In his third start, he's already leading the league in TD:Completion ratio.

The following numbers determine an average on how many completions it takes a quarterback to find the endzone. They are derived by dividing the number of completions by the number of touchdowns thrown.

Here is how they rate:


1. Jay Cutler - 8
2. Michael Vick - 9.84
3. Donovan McNabb - 10
4. Matt Hasselbeck - 10.35
5. Rex Grossman - 10.90
6. Tony Romo - 11.43
7. Carson Palmer - 11.79
8. Peyton Manning - 12.26
9. Tom Brady - 12.54
10. Eli Manning - 12.72
11. Damon Huard - 13.27
12. JP Losman - 13.47
13. Drew Brees - 13.56
14. Philip Rivers - 14.16
15. Alex Smith - 14.8
16. Big Ben - 15.37
17. Vince Young - 15.6
18. Jake Plummer - 15.90
19. Jake Delhomme - 16
20. Mark Bulger - 17.15
21. Brett Favre - 17.41
22. Joey Harrington - 18
23. Chad Pennington - 18.46
24. Steve McNair - 19.30
25. Bruce Gradkowski - 19.66
26. Mark Brunell - 20.25
27. Matt Leinart - 20.5
28. Jon Kitna - 22.64
29. Charlie Frye - 22.7
30. David Carr - 27.7
31 Brad Johnson - 29.88

Wow, clear the shelves and start sculpting the bust for Canton. I wonder how he stacks up in TD's thrown on Sundays when the temperature is 50 degrees in Stockholm?

Look TJ, this man crush you have for this kid is really starting to creep me out. Next thing you know you'll be driving him to the airport.

We all think he's progressing fine TJ.....no need to continue to dig up stats like this to make the case he's gonna do well with more gametime under his belt. You need to chill...Mike has no intention of putting Jake back in barring an injury of course.

[Florida_Bronco]

Yeah, lately if he's not ripping on Cutler he's usually waxing poetic about Vince Young.

I haven't seen a single person dare to try and suggest that Plummer has as strong an arm or is as accurate as Cutler is. They aren't similar players in the least.

He was quick to point out Cutler's production didn't mean much because it was the Cardinals defense. That's a good point in itself, but do you remember him ripping on Plummer for having a decent game against the Colts? He's a longhorn fan and I think there is a bias against the other non-longhorn QB's. He is a bronco fan first, so eventually he'll come around.

That, or he's just an arrogant little asshole who is always pissing and moaning about something.

[errand]

I just don't get your attitude, this should be a fun time for the Bronco fans, and you just don't seem to be enjoying it.

It should have been a fun time when the Broncos were 5-1, but it wasn't. We had people on here b****ing we weren't scoring 40-50 points a game.

It should have been a fun time when we were 7-2, but again it wasn't. We had people on here b****ing we weren't throwing for 300 yards a game.

Now we're to have fun despite being 1-2 after the switch because our rookie QB throws more TD's in fewer completions? Big whoop. Wanna impress me, try winning 75% of your starts.

I don't care how many TD's he throws vs number of completions, I only care how many games he wins. Hopefully he evens his record at .500 this week.

[-Slap-]

Cutler has started his career with three straight multi TD games. I don't think too many QBs do that.

Only Marino and Chuck Conerly in the entire 80+ year history of the NFL.

[errand]

jay averages 2 TD passes a game(and 1 INT per game), jake averaged 1 TD pass(and 1 INT per game).

jay only needed 3 games to get 6 TD passes, jake needed 7

jay had 261 yards sunday, jake didnt reach that mark all this year.

you dont need all those stats to know that jay is better than jake though, just watch. its possible that sunday was the most enjoyable game ive watched in years, up there with the NE playoff game last year.

Wow, newsflash...Jake isn't Jay. Thank you for that astute observation. BTW stats show that most QB's who throw for 300 yards lose the game.

I bet if you compared Jake's numbers to Carson Palmer's you'll see that they aren't the same guy either. And I have a sneaky suspicion that Peyton's numbers vs Alex Smith's will suggest they too aren't the same.

Look Jake played his way out of a job. He'll either stay on to backup the kid or go elsewhere. Either way the torch has been passed. I thank him for the 3.5 years he played for us and thank him for giving us a taste of the playoffs after 4 years of mediocrity under the "NFL's most efficient QB- bar none (when given protection) "

These "take that" kind of threads would be a bit easier to swallow if the kid took us to the playoffs and won more than he'd lost. We all think he'll turn out just fine and will develop into a Pro Bowler and we should contend for several years to come...but c'mon this is a ridiculous stat and even more ridiculous thread.

[errand]

Let's face the facts. All the 1st team practice snaps, these late season games and the pressure to win, and hopefully some playoff experience, will be so very valuable to Cutler as he starts out next year. At least he won't be starting from scratch with all the question marks. He'll be more comfortable with the system and probably will be able to incorporate more of the playbook into the game plan. I don't believe in sitting your franchise rookie QB for the entire year. Maybe the first half of the season. Let them get used to the life, then throw them to the wolves. No matter how long they study or how much tape they watch, there's nothing like live action for the learning of a young QB.


Well said.

I think every Broncos fan believes this to be true. The kid is gonna get valuable time to develop regardless if we make the playoffs or not. We all are looking forward to a full season of him playing if he continues to progress like he has.

The debate was never if the switch should be made, it was whenit should be made. Alot of people on here think the switch should have been made after week one, others didn't think it made sense to switch QB's when the playoffs were within reach.

Yes, you'll have some that just like Jake no matter how bad he plays, and others who'll hate him no matter how well he plays. We had people bitching about him despite the Broncos making it to the AFC championship.

I can't wait for next season, because these stupid threads shouldn't pop up anymore...at least until a "Jake-only" fan starts one when the kid has a bad game.

[errand]

If it was Plummer leading the league, it would be a different story.

If it were Plummer, you wouldn't have looked it up or posted it.

Wins TJ...that's all that matters. Wins. The kid can throw a TD on every pass...doesn't mean crap if we don't win the game. It just means he probably wasn't the problem.

[errand]

TRUTH!!!

But all it is going to take is for the Broncos to miss the playoffs for all the Cutler/Shanny hating to go into full swing. Even though the playoffs were looking very dim at the time the switch was made.

7-4 vs 7-6

To say our playoff chances were dim @ 7-4 isn't an accurate statement. The 4 game skid did put us in jeopardy of not making them, and this 8th win has given us a rebate on the season, but we still had a good shot @ 7-4.

[glenn230]

This stat is not useful. It only means the team is more geard towards running the ball.

[usedupbraids]

Thats pretty good,only 8 completion then a TD thats like 14 yards a pass.

[Play2win]

If this trend continues, it will mean something. It will mean opposing defenses will have to take heed. They will have to take heed to the threat of the Broncos scoring touchdowns on any given play, both on the Big Play, and from the redzone.

Defense wins championships. But so do Touchdowns (instead of field goals).

[crazyhorse]

This thread gives new meaning to the words, "useless stat".

I would be willing to bet he has the highest percentage of fumbles from the center QB exchange.

[Taco John]

Consider the following two players:

1 comp 16 attempts 1 TD

13 comp 16 attemps 0 TD

Who had the better day?



This stat isn't measuring micro events like a 1 completion, 16 attempt day. You'd have a great point if it were comparing Peyton Manning and Ladainian Tomlinson. But it's comparing starting quarterbacks.

[Taco John]

This thread gives new meaning to the words, "useless stat".




I disagree. I think that the ratio is very relevant, considering that the goal of an NFL quarterback on any given drive is to score a touchdown.

[Bladerunner]

Thats pretty good,only 8 completion then a TD thats like 14 yards a pass.

WTF???:confuzzle

[usedupbraids]

WTF???:confuzzle

LOL dont worry there are dumb people in this thread Ha! Ha! Ha!

[Bladerunner]

This stat isn't measuring micro events like a 1 completion, 16 attempt day. You'd have a great point if it were comparing Peyton Manning and Ladainian Tomlinson. But it's comparing starting quarterbacks.

It still is heavily biased toward the long ball, and against ball-control passing schemes...Peyton Manning's performance on Monday was terrific, but if they had chosen to run for TD's instead of passing when inside the 5, this statistic would have plummeted...I don't think it is very reflective of good quarterbacking in total

[shaun514]

This stat isn't measuring micro events like a 1 completion, 16 attempt day. You'd have a great point if it were comparing Peyton Manning and Ladainian Tomlinson. But it's comparing starting quarterbacks.


Two quarterbacks from last week:

A: 29/39 339 yds 1 TD

B: 13/28 204 yds 1 TD

One lead his team to 26 pts, the other to 16. However, according to your stat, the one who lead his team to 16pts is superior to the other. Really, the stat will tell us almost nothing.

[usedupbraids]

Two quarterbacks from last week:

A: 29/39 339 yds 1 TD

B: 13/28 204 yds 1 TD

One lead his team to 26 pts, the other to 16. However, according to your stat, the one who lead his team to 16pts is superior to the other. Really, the stat will tell us almost nothing.

Oh WELL whats your point????????

[baja]

Oh WELL whats your point????????


The point is; 8 X 14 = TD

[Taco John]

Two quarterbacks from last week:

A: 29/39 339 yds 1 TD

B: 13/28 204 yds 1 TD

One lead his team to 26 pts, the other to 16. However, according to your stat, the one who lead his team to 16pts is superior to the other. Really, the stat will tell us almost nothing.


You're taking a stat that measures a quarterback over a long period of time (macro) and jamming it into a box to mean something on a one game, micro level. That's not going to work.

No one said this is the stat to end all stats. But you're wrong to say it's a worthless stat. Like I say, a quarterback has one goal during any given drive, and that's to score a touchdown.

If you wanted to make the case that Jay hasn't played enough games for this stat to be meaningful as applied to him, I'd agree. But I'm still proud to see him at the top of this list, with an opportunity this weekend to make history.

[shaun514]

You're taking a stat that measures a quarterback over a long period of time (macro) and jamming it into a box to mean something on a one game, micro level. That's not going to work.

No one said this is the stat to end all stats. But you're wrong to say it's a worthless stat. Like I say, a quarterback has one goal during any given drive, and that's to score a touchdown.

If you wanted to make the case that Jay hasn't played enough games for this stat to be meaningful as applied to him, I'd agree. But I'm still proud to see him at the top of this list, with an opportunity this weekend to make history.


You could expound those numbers over 16 games and the fact would remain that it doesn't tell the whole story. The goal of scoring touchdowns can be accomplished whether it is via the run or the pass.

Over any stretch, this stat rewards incompletions.

[Taco John]

Not as much as it rewards touchdowns.

[Atlas]

I did the research and found out something wonderful about our wonderkid...

In his third start, he's already leading the league in TD:Completion ratio.

The following numbers determine an average on how many completions it takes a quarterback to find the endzone. They are derived by dividing the number of completions by the number of touchdowns thrown.

Here is how they rate:


1. Jay Cutler - 8
2. Michael Vick - 9.84
3. Donovan McNabb - 10
4. Matt Hasselbeck - 10.35
5. Rex Grossman - 10.90
6. Tony Romo - 11.43
7. Carson Palmer - 11.79
8. Peyton Manning - 12.26
9. Tom Brady - 12.54
10. Eli Manning - 12.72
11. Damon Huard - 13.27
12. JP Losman - 13.47
13. Drew Brees - 13.56
14. Philip Rivers - 14.16
15. Alex Smith - 14.8
16. Big Ben - 15.37
17. Vince Young - 15.6
18. Jake Plummer - 15.90
19. Jake Delhomme - 16
20. Mark Bulger - 17.15
21. Brett Favre - 17.41
22. Joey Harrington - 18
23. Chad Pennington - 18.46
24. Steve McNair - 19.30
25. Bruce Gradkowski - 19.66
26. Mark Brunell - 20.25
27. Matt Leinart - 20.5
28. Jon Kitna - 22.64
29. Charlie Frye - 22.7
30. David Carr - 27.7
31 Brad Johnson - 29.88

Alot of that is due to what kind of running game the team has. Teams that can run the ball in the red zone will not have a QB with a lot of easy short TD's. Obviously Denver's running game hasn't been very good since Cutler has come in. I think that is part of the reason.

[Kaylore]

Obviously Denver's running game hasn't been very good I think that is part of the reason.
Obviously you're very wrong. The running game has opened up since we started showing the ability to scare safeties into staying deep.

@Kansas City: 38 yards

-Cutler is inserted-

Seattle: 169 yards
San Diego: 162 yards
Arizona: 100 yards and we would have had more had Tatum not hurt his foot. By the second half Mike Bell was averaging seven and yards per carry.

[watermock]

I guess all the Mastadons are not extinct, as Geico assumed Cavemen were.

The stat stands on it's own merits. What do they want? Jay to toss a 156 rating and 4 TD's next week?

It's pretty damn simple how that stat is strong...he gave The Marshall a intermediate pass and he biatchslapped half the defense down the field for a 71 yard TD. Next, Jay made possibly the best throw in the NFL all year, landing the ball into a kiddie milk carton to Walker.

[baja]

I guess all the Mastadons are not extinct, as Geico assumed Cavemen were.

The stat stands on it's own merits. What do they want? Jay to toss a 156 rating and 4 TD's next week?

It's pretty damn simple how that stat is strong...he gave The Marshall a intermediate pass and he biatchslapped half the defense down the field for a 71 yard TD. Next, Jay made possibly the best throw in the NFL all year, landing the ball into a kiddie milk carton to Walker.

That was one beautiful pass, hell Mock I dare say you could have caught that ball at a full trot with a rum and coke in one hand and not spilled a drop.

[Popps]

Obviously you're very wrong. The running game has opened up since we started showing the ability to scare safeties into staying deep.

@Kansas City: 38 yards

-Cutler is inserted-

Seattle: 169 yards
San Diego: 162 yards
Arizona: 100 yards and we would have had more had Tatum not hurt his foot. By the second half Mike Bell was averaging seven and yards per carry.

Didn't someone post some stats that showed our running output average almost exactly the same under Plummer as it did Culter? (Not cherry-picking.... total average.)