Congratulations to Wilson, Bailey and Lynch

[bloodsunday]

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/afc_roster

Denver's only Pro Bowlers.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Lynch made it on rep alone...The other two are men among boys.

[(Jae)]

Lynch made it on rep alone...The other two are men among boys.

That's what I thought.............Mabye Wilson too.........

[GonzoLays]

What, no Jay Culter? I demand a recount.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Congrats to the trio. A couple more will get selected as alternates by the coaches.

[WyoLaw]

Congrats to the trio. A couple more will get selected as alternates by the coaches.

Like who?

[Florida_Bronco]

Lynch made it on rep alone...The other two are men among boys.

I disagree. Lynch has played very well (and consistent) his entire time in Denver. He's not a flashy superstar, but he's still one of the better safeties in the NFL.

[-Slap-]

I disagree. Lynch has played very well (and consistent) his entire time in Denver. He's not a flashy superstar, but he's still one of the better safeties in the NFL.

Damn right. He's still an intimidating force. Maybe people should have asked Tom Brady how overrated John Lynch was after Lynch was instrumental in helping to break Brady's playoff winning streak last January. Nobody remembers that game, I guess.

Its not like the AFC is loaded with dominant safeties right now anyway.

Finally, Lynch didn't make the Pro Bowl at all his first six years in the League when he was straight up killing people. If he gets a Pro Bowl nod on rep on the back end, its only fair. Darren Woodson made the team at least twice when Lynch deserved to go instead.

[Taco John]

I'd love to hear from the morons bashing Lynch as having made it on reputation alone tell us who is a better run stopping safety in the AFC than John Lynch.

There isn't one.

[Mile High Shack]

like Slap said, not a whole lot of quality safeties in the AFC anyway, so Lynch deserves to go

[bpc]

Lynch being there is a joke.

Same as Walker not being there but its hard to argue about the guys they put inthe game.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Like who?

Hamilton, Nalen and Walker are the most likely. Despite the crap Hamilton takes here, he has graded out as the Broncs top OL for the last three years. that's the kind of thing the coaches notice that the fans can't see.

[cabronco]

Way to go guys, three much deserved players, imo !

[Kaylore]

Way to go guys, three much deserved players, imo !

I agree. Our team leaders and one of the best corners ever.

[Mile High Mojoe]

Champ absolutely, Wilson good pick, Lynch got the pick with rep alone. Lynch is a 2nd level LB more than a Safety now. He's been burned more than once this year, Walker may have been more deserving but there's to many good WR's in the AFC with better stats.

[watermock]

Bah Humbug...Roland Bailey made it on reputation alone!

[Mediator12]

Lynch has been burned how much the last three years ??? He has been burnt only once this year that I can clearly remember and not once at all last year in deep coverage. Sure, he is not going to man up Darrel Jackson in the slot too much (Ouch!) and win deep, but he is a heady player who very rarely commits mental errors that other elite level talent safeties like Polamalu, Reed, and Donavin Darius have this year. He is a 35 year old white guy who plays like a 28 year old still with his mental awareness. Stop hating on an old guy who still does his Job better than 95% of the other younger players with talent.

[Kaylore]

I'm so sick of this. Lynch hasn't been burned but people keep repeating it because they convinced themselves of it three years ago, reality be damned. Lynch is a badass and anyone who thinks he gets burned all the time can suck it! :punched:

http://www.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/Images/Top%20Stories/2005/lynch_john_051224.jpg

[(Jae)]

The Homerism is getting out of hand............



John Lynch:
14 games, 69 Total tackles, no interceptions, no sacks, 1 forced fumble, 4 passes defensed.

Kerry Rhodes:
14 games, 92 Total Tackles, 4 interceptions, 4 sacks, 3 ff, 13 pd.


If it was switched around, we would be crying bloody murder...........That kid has been playing light out all year.........

[Mediator12]

The Homerism is getting out of hand............



John Lynch:
14 games, 69 Total tackles, no interceptions, no sacks, 1 forced fumble, 4 passes defensed.

Kerry Rhodes:
14 games, 92 Total Tackles, 4 interceptions, 4 sacks, 3 ff, 13 pd.


If it was switched around, we would be crying bloody murder...........That kid has been playing light out all year.........

Those stats only tell one side of the story, that the NYJ defense sucks balls. Seriously, the probowl is not about numbers but performance and popularity. Numbers reflect opportunities and that kid Rhodes has had a ton more than Lynch in that Jet defense. Same crap when Zach Thomas was considered so good making 150 tackles between the hashmarks and 15 or so outside in that MIA defense.

What they do not tell the story is how many coverages he did blow, missed tackles he allowed that went for TD's, gaps he failed to fill, etc. I have only seen two Jets games this year and the two I did see were the NE game where he allowed two TD's alone with blown coverages and poor tackling and the JAX game where a below average offense lit them up for 41 points and he looked like a deer in the headlights with 3 total tackles in 87 plays.

Stats are very misleading out of context and this kid is not even close to being a pro-bowl level player.

[(Jae)]

What they do not tell the story is how many coverages he did blow, missed tackles he allowed that went for TD's, gaps he failed to fill, etc. I have only seen two Jets games this year and the two I did see were the NE game where he allowed two TD's alone with blown coverages and poor tackling and the JAX game where a below average offense lit them up for 41 points and he looked like a deer in the headlights with 3 total tackles in 87 plays.
Stats are very misleading out of context and this kid is not even close to being a pro-bowl level player.

"Numbers reflect opportunities and that kid Rhodes has had a ton more than Lynch in that Jet defense"
Why is that? Denver Defense I imagine has been on the field just as much as NY's, are you saying the Kid has MORE responsibility's then Lynch on Defense, what are you saying?

[MileHighPride]

Congrats to them all.

Hopefully next year we can get Jay there too.

[Mediator12]

"Numbers reflect opportunities and that kid Rhodes has had a ton more than Lynch in that Jet defense"
Why is that? Denver Defense I imagine has been on the field just as much as NY's, are you saying the Kid has MORE responsibility's then Lynch on Defense, what are you saying?

It's really quite simple. People throw at Rhodes more, the Jets have been on the field more plays plus more completed passes for over 120 more tackles as a team, and gameplans are taking advantage of him.

No one has attacked Lynch in coverage despite the perception of the easily misguided here, no one audibles to his side on running plays with eight in the box, in short OC's do not go after him. They do go after Rhodes because he makes more mistakes and makes less plays when given the same opportunities.

Lynch has not seen a lot of plays ran at him at all this whole year, especially in coverage. This means he is making less big plays than in years past where they blitzed him more. He makes weakside tackles and rarely misses in the open field. I have not seen enough of this kid to evaluate his overall play, but the two games I saw did not get him any votes from those teams or players.

[FantomForce]

Well deserved! Walker gets on for sure!

[bpc]

Sadly the reason I think shouldn't be there isn't his pass defense which is very limited but his impact in the running game and all the missed tackles he has had.

[Play2win]

John Lynch plays old-school Safety, amidst the quagmire of all these politically correct BS rules, thats an accomplishment in it self. And he does it well... and thats why, rightly so, he is in the Pro Bowl.

[(Jae)]

It's really quite simple. People throw at Rhodes more, the Jets have been on the field more plays plus more completed passes for over 120 more tackles as a team, and gameplans are taking advantage of him.

I see what your argument is, his numbers are inflated because teams are targeting him.
I'm saying, how do you know this for a fact if you dont watch Jet games? Soley on his numbers? I go to an NFL Board and most of the people who see him play on a consistant basis have been saying the exact opposite of you all year. Alot of those tackles come off run support, because they use him like LYNCH, an extra LB at the line. His Sacks and FF should attest to that.

"The Jets have been on the field more plays"
The way our offense was playing with Plummer, I find that hard to believe.

[Mile High Mojoe]

I'm so sick of this. Lynch hasn't been burned but people keep repeating it because they convinced themselves of it three years ago, reality be damned. Lynch is a badass and anyone who thinks he gets burned all the time can suck it! :punched:

http://www.denverbroncos.com/resources/custom/Images/Top%20Stories/2005/lynch_john_051224.jpgLynch is a bad ass and a team leader plus he brings the intangibles to the game also. But he has lost a step and in some of the games this year he's missed some easy tackles that a year or 2 ago he doesn't. He has not been beat many times but he has a few times that cost us. In the last Chargers game he was out of position a few times when he had coverage on Gates.

The guy still is a force and is still one of the better S's in the game. He's been like a 4th LB out there and he's helped in the run defense. I love the guy he's still a good player but to say he's a dominate S to justify a Pro Bowl selection is questionable.

[SprintRightOption]

The Homerism is getting out of hand............



John Lynch:
14 games, 69 Total tackles, no interceptions, no sacks, 1 forced fumble, 4 passes defensed.

Kerry Rhodes:
14 games, 92 Total Tackles, 4 interceptions, 4 sacks, 3 ff, 13 pd.


If it was switched around, we would be crying bloody murder...........That kid has been playing light out all year.........

I agree. Lynch gets in most years for the same reason Mike Alstott gets in. He makes a lot of big hits, the writers and voters like him, and he's still playing well. But he wouldn't be going to Hawaii if he had a different name and the same exact season.

I still love Lynch and he's a winner and a great lockerroom leader, but I don't think he's a top 5 safety.

[freak6]

Mike Vick left off with over 1000 yards rushing and the worst recievers in the league...OK!

But Tony Romo makes it...

[Kaylore]

I agree. Lynch gets in most years for the same reason Mike Alstott gets in. He makes a lot of big hits, the writers and voters like him, and he's still playing well. But he wouldn't be going to Hawaii if he had a different name and the same exact season.

I still love Lynch and he's a winner and a great lockerroom leader, but I don't think he's a top 5 safety.

Name the five in the AFC that are better, please.

[RunSilentRunDeep]

Why do people get themselves all twisted up about this crap? The Pro Bowl is a stupid popularity contest that few players even want to go to. It has less meaning than a fricking Grammy Award. You either go to the Pro Bowl based on numbers or rep. Lynch doesn't have any numbers so he's going on rep. Great, so what? I hope Champ, Al and John all cry injury like half the guys in the game so they don't have to subject themselves to injury in a pointless, usually boring exhibition.

[Garcia Bronco]

Hell yeah...Congrats guys....I wish Javon could have gotten in...but there is always Kansas City...errrr...I mean next year. :)

[Garcia Bronco]

The best part about this is Al Wilson is the number MLB. Kickarse

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Javon Walker got dicked.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Watched Schefter, Faulk and whoever they were with bust a nut over Merriman on the NFLN. Kept talking about how great Merriman's been even after missing 4 games, but they never mentioned why he missed 4 games. This whole thing is going to be like Ray Ray's invovlement in a double murder, the NFL and ESPN are just going to avoid mentioning what happened and continue the hype.

[SoCalBronco]

Watched Schefter, Faulk and whoever they were with bust a nut over Merriman on the NFLN. Kept talking about how great Merriman's been even after missing 4 games, but they never mentioned why he missed 4 games. This whole thing is going to be like Ray Ray's invovlement in a double murder, the NFL and ESPN are just going to avoid mentioning what happened and continue the hype.

I don't think anyone should have been expecting anything else.

Once the league has a player they want to market, everything else gets shoved under the rug no matter what. It's as sure as the sun coming up the next day.

So much for Commissioner Goodell "cracking down" on bad behavior.

[Derger_Louis]

I see what your argument is, his numbers are inflated because teams are targeting him.
I'm saying, how do you know this for a fact if you dont watch Jet games? Soley on his numbers? I go to an NFL Board and most of the people who see him play on a consistant basis have been saying the exact opposite of you all year. Alot of those tackles come off run support, because they use him like LYNCH, an extra LB at the line. His Sacks and FF should attest to that.

AJ (Denver): With John Lynch making the Pro Bowl it has to be obvious that its a popularity contest. He's a great person and a great team mate, but he is NOT playing at a Pro Bowl level.

Mike Holbrook: A.J. - I agree with you. The Jets' Kerry Rhodes would've been a better choice, a guy who is playing like the young Lynch - making big plays as a blitzer, a hitter and a ballhawk.

[Hotrod]

Nails got screwed :nono:

[Derger_Louis]

Here is another opinion on Lynch & Rhodes:

Joe (NY): Mort - what are the chances for the Jets to get in? How does Kerry Rhodes not make the Pro Bowl?

<!-- displayed mode -->http://espn-ak.starwave.com/i/sn2.gif Chris Mortensen: (11:42 AM ET ) The Jets' chances to me, I think a lot hinges this week for the Jets. Can they win a Monday night road game in Miami? If they do, then they have a bye week (haha) to wrap up the season against the Raiders. Again, I'm a little unclear on some of the tiebreakers at this point. As far as Rhodes goes, there's no question he should have made the team over Lynch in Denver.

[Merlin]

Mike Vick left off with over 1000 yards rushing and the worst recievers in the league...OK!

But Tony Romo makes it...
Romo has been a far better QB. Vick has been on and off as a QB. As to WRs, that has to do with the QB and not the quality of the WR. Look at Lelie's/Price's numbers with Vick as opposed to other less highly regarded QBs. Vick at best is an average passer, and his WRs at not at fault for that (btw, his receivers were highly thought of before they went to Vick land).

[Play2win]

Alot of times, it seems, players get to the Pro Bowl because of their PREVIOUS season... not the current one.

[Mediator12]

Hey, I am all about dissenting opinons on stuff that is easily subjective like pro-bowl selection. John Lynch does have the reputation that Players and Coaches will vote for over a young Guy in New York who is a supposed up and comer. As I said before, players and coaches vote for guys they gameplan around and have seen make plays. John Lynch is still one of those guys.

Kerry Rhodes may be a heck of a player no one knows about and very underrated by the majority of the people including Myself. The problem as I pulled up his game stats is he was inconsistent as hell in the Jets Losses including the two I saw. He was horrible versus NE and JAX earlier in the year and players without reputation have to be phenomenal in order to overcome that in the voting process. Vets and coaches do not vote for up and comers who are not there yet. Fans do not vote for someone without name recognition usually.

So, the process is and always will be flawed toward the name players until its changed. Has this kid had a good year overall? I have no idea. I only know I saw two games he played in early and he was not a probowl level player in either game. I just wish they named the probowl participants after the last week of the season and allowed guys like him to get three or four more looks by everyone who does not know who he is. To me, that would be more fair.

Hopefully, he gets some offseason love in the media and people will watch his name more closely next year. Then, he gets a legit shot at the pro-bowl.