Scouts Inc: Broncos Mailed it In, Shanahan Lost His Team, Coyer too Simple

[epicSocialism4tw]

from ESPiN insider
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/take2?gameId=261217022

"You have to question the mindset of this Denver team right now. There has been some talk, mainly from CB Darrent Williams, that players on the team have "cashed it in" and are just biding their time until the season ends. These are the types of issues that can arise when a team has lost four consecutive games and the head coach makes a QB change late in the season."

"Mike Shanahan's ultimate goal was to win a Super Bowl, and when he realized former starter Jake Plummer was not going to deliver that, he made the switch to Jay Cutler. The players, on the other hand, were thinking more short term and just wanted to get the playoffs. It has become more apparent with each passing week that once Shanahan made the switch he pretty much lost his team."


"In watching tape of the Denver defense, it is apparent that the scheme is way to simplified. It does not look like defensive coordinator Larry Coyer is adding much to the defense."

"With so much talk about Denver's offensive struggles in recent weeks, the defense has been flying under the radar. Well, we have taken notice, and the defense has been just about as bad as the offense of late."

[yavoon]

3-4! 3-4!

[-Slap-]

Big deal. Some hack from that rag took dumbass Darrent's dumbass comments and ran with them.

I heard Mike Pritchard the other day saying he thought Darrent was going to buy himself a ticket out of town with that big mouth of his.

[shakenbake]

Big deal. Some hack from that rag took dumbass Darrent's dumbass comments and ran with them.

I heard Mike Pritchard the other day saying he thought Darrent was going to buy himself a ticket out of town with that big mouth of his.

You mean his inability to stop anyone on thrid down isn't enough?

[Sodak]

I'm sure Shanahan will pull the plug on Coyer too if he can't get it done. He canned his buddy Rhodes after one dismal season? Or, was it two?

Obviously, tenure in the league does not translate to a good scheme.

[epicSocialism4tw]

It's not just Darrent's comments that he's using in support of his statements.

The four game losing streak speaks much louder than anything Darrent Williams has to say.

[watermock]

Consider the source.

Next question. Anyone who pays one red cent to ESPN Insider is a fool.

If Shanahan has lost players, they can find the boardwalk. They are paid to play, not coach.

[Taco John]

Can't wait until the Arizona game is over before you completely bury us, huh llama?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Can't wait until the Arizona game is over before you completely bury us, huh llama?


No burying happening here. I have hope left for the playoffs. Im not one of those who wanted to mail it in to get the rook some snaps.

[Play2win]

So, just out of curosity's sake... is the "My d*ck is bigger than your d*ck" the same ARGUMENT as "I am RIGHT and you are WRONG"...

[-Slap-]

It's not just Darrent's comments that he's using in support of his statements.

The four game losing streak speaks much louder than anything Darrent Williams has to say.

Ah, any time a team has a losing streak, they've "quit".

At least according to some pencil neck fag from Scouts, Inc who doesn't even follow the Broncos.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Ah, any time a team has a losing streak, they've "quit".
At least according to some pencil neck fag from Scouts, Inc who doesn't even follow the Broncos.

You have to admit, the difference between the 7-2 Broncos and the 7-6 Broncos is pretty dramatic. In retrospect, you could really see the defense playing to win in the early going. Now, it looks like they are playing not to get carted off of the field on a gator.

[TheDave]

honestely why would anyone want this team to make the playoffs... We simply aren't good enough right now. I've been through the one game post season blow-outs enough.

[-Slap-]

No burying happening here. I have hope left for the playoffs. Im not one of those who wanted to mail it in to get the rook some snaps.

Plummer mailed it in a long time ago. That's ancient history, at least it should be.

Nice that you can't enjoy a single game day without starting another one of these redundant, divisive exercises in futility.

[-Slap-]

You have to admit, the difference between the 7-2 Broncos and the 7-6 Broncos is pretty dramatic. In retrospect, you could really see the defense playing to win in the early going. Now, it looks like they are playing not to get carted off of the field on a gator.

Yeah, too bad Jake Plummer started us on this losing streak. Hopefully the rookie can pull us out. Thankfully Jay's play thus far has been an improvement over what we were getting out of the QB position previously.

[Dagmar]

honestely why would anyone want this team to make the playoffs... We simply aren't good enough right now. I've been through the one game post season blow-outs enough.

Because we are Broncos fans? C'mon TheDave, I don't care the circumstances, you'll never see me root for my team to lose and not make the postseason.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Plummer mailed it in a long time ago. That's ancient history, at least it should be.


The team obviously believed that Plummer could do what needed to be done to get them to the playoffs. That much is obvious, or at least it should be.

Shanahan's drafting of Cutler has the potential to be a monumental disaster. Never before have I seen a fanbase so willing to go along with the questionable dismantling of a conference finalist. Most teams arent gutsy enough to even attempt something like that. It will either result in more playoff wins or it will set the team back for a few years.

I'm not the type to ignore a potentially disasterous GM decision.

[fontaine]

Al Wilson practiced and played days after what might have been a career ending injury.

Champ/Lynch were putting in tackles to FB/TE who outweighed them by 50 or so pounds. Same with Fox. Hamza played with a ton of fire in special teams.

Tatum Bell was delivering hits to SD safeties when they tried to tackle him and Schef/Cutler made plays in quick bursts.

I saw Plummer cheering people in the sidelines.

But yeah, whatever, llama. You think the team has mailed it in. Dwil no doubt believes that some players are giving up, but I didn't see him mention the entire D or team. Just a few players. I guess if you want to project your own doom and gloom to the the team then have at it.

I know Shanahan would rather quit football than give up on the season so that's where I get my lead.

[watermock]

You have to admit, the difference between the 7-2 Broncos and the 7-6 Broncos is pretty dramatic. In retrospect, you could really see the defense playing to win in the early going. Now, it looks like they are playing not to get carted off of the field on a gator.

Have you even considered the fact that Denver was actually 7-4 before the QB change?

Play your revisionist history to another idiot, I'm opting out. The fact is that Jake was playing horrible. Fact is, we had lost two in a row. Fact is, Jay came in at possibly the most difficult stretch of the schedule against two divisional leaders. Fact is, Jake allready has a higher rating and TD/INT ratio.

Jay allready has a 10 point higher rating, despite being tight and nervous in his first start.

Let me explain something to the Mastedons...Jay didn't throw an interception. He had one turnover, and that was because of the idiot Dennison or Shannahan or whoever who didn't double the Roidinator.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I know Shanahan would rather quit football than give up on the season so that's where I get my lead.

You go, girl!

[watermock]

If I had to say who has mailed it in, it would be Warren and D.J. Williams.

[-Slap-]

The team obviously believed that Plummer could do what needed to be done to get them to the playoffs. That much is obvious, or at least it should be.


Threads like this one are the definition of the word obvious.

:laugh:

[fontaine]

You know what? Screw being polite.

I saw Al Wilson giving it all a few days after he could have suffered a paralyzing injury and was rushed to hospital.

Anyone who questions the heart of the team includes Al Wilson in that category and I'm sure I speak for Al when I say they can go **** themselves be they some hack writer or so called fan.

If you want to point out specific players then go ahead. Otherwise you're pointing the finger at Al Wilson as well.

[-Slap-]

You know what? Screw being polite.

I saw Al Wilson giving it all a few days after he could have suffered a paralyzing injury and was rushed to hospital.

Anyone who questions the heart of the team includes Al Wilson in that category and I'm sure I speak for Al when I say they can go **** themselves be they some hack write or so called fan.

If you want to point out specific players then go ahead. Otherwise you're pointing the finger at Al Wilson as well.

The game looks real easy from the couch, doesn't it?

[Denver Crush]

Well, I just heard that Darrent is inactive for today on the pre-game show on channel 4 so it looks like Shanny didnt like his big mouth either.

[fontaine]

You go, girl!

It's called being a winner and believing in your team.

If you think that makes a girl. Well then, excuse me while I go play with my boobs!

:rofl:

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Ah, any time a team has a losing streak, they've "quit".

At least according to some pencil neck fag from Scouts, Inc who doesn't even follow the Broncos.

Sandy Clough said on 950 Friday afternoon that a few vets told him that Darrent was absolutely taken behind the woodshed by a few of the players for his comments, because the team had not mailed it in and didn't like being accused of it.

[-Slap-]

Well, I just heard that Darrent is inactive for today on the pre-game show on channel 4 so it looks like Shanny didnt like his big mouth either.

I love it!

Mike Pritchard said there would repercussions.

[fontaine]

The game looks real easy from the couch, doesn't it?

It surely must. I remember Al gutting it through a season where he could barely lift his arms over his head because of neck stingers which is about as painful as it gets. The same injury that forced Griffith, our tough as coffin nails superbowl FB to retire. Ditto for Champ who played with a busted shoulder, Rod who's playing through two back to back concussions threatening his quality of life for the future.

But I guess these players just had a change of heart and decided to quit because we're starting a rocket armed warrior over a one trick pony QB.

[TheDave]

Because we are Broncos fans? C'mon TheDave, I don't care the circumstances, you'll never see me root for my team to lose and not make the postseason.

Not sure if the team has mailed it in or not... but unfortunately i have. At this point i'm more concerned about draft position than the post season. Right now i'm just enjoying watching Cutler and trying to scout who needs to go and who needs to stay.

[NYBronco]

It was Plummer that put Shanahan in a difficult position to eventually pull the plug in removing a nonperforming seasoned veteran QB for the untested rookie.

[Clockwork Orange]

The Broncos haven't quit, they're the victims of a league-wide marketing conspiracy. Jake will be robbed of the MVP award for the sake of selling more LaDanian Tomlinson jerseys.

[epicSocialism4tw]

It was Plummer that put Shanahan in a difficult position to eventually pull the plug in removing a nonperforming seasoned veteran QB for the untested rookie.

It was also Shanahan's decision to tell Jake to pilot the team for a season before he had to hit the road. Jake could have gone all-out to prove to another team that he was worthy of another contract, but for whatever reason Jake decided to only do enough to win the game while other people carried the team.

[Taco John]

This thread is chicken****.

[TheDave]

This thread is chicken****.

Since it degraded into a Cutler V. Plummer debate i figured you would be happy.

[Clockwork Orange]

Jake could have gone all-out to prove to another team that he was worthy of another contract, but for whatever reason Jake decided to only do enough to win the game while other people carried the team.

Yeah, Plummer just decided to play like crap. ::)

[Taco John]

I love it!

Mike Pritchard said there would repercussions.



For my part, I'm through with the kid until he proves something. I was a supporter of his, and even came out of this last game saying that I was still behind him. But after a game like that, he comes out saying the stuff he's saying, all he did was show me that he doesn't have what it takes to be a leader in this game. He gives a lot of lip service to wanting to emulate Champ, but what you won't see is Champ lay an egg on the field, and then come out the next week calling out guys for cashing out. It's the stupidest move I can remember from a Broncos history after a loss in recent memory.

Foxworth has a brain on his head. I'm going to go ahead and hope he can bury Darrent today with a great performance.

[epicSocialism4tw]

This thread is chicken****.

Hey, they arent my words. It's not my fault that professional scouts think that you are full of crap.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Yeah, Plummer just decided to play like crap.


Personally, I dont think that Plummer was giving full effort. He's better than he played this season.

[Popps]

No burying happening here. I have hope left for the playoffs. Im not one of those who wanted to mail it in to get the rook some snaps.

Ouch.

:rofl:

[Taco John]

Since it degraded into a Cutler V. Plummer debate i figured you would be happy.


It's not much of a debate anymore. All that is left is for the Plummer whiners to squeeze out as much sour grapes as possible while crapping on our playoff run.

[-Slap-]

It's not much of a debate anymore. All that is left is for the Plummer whiners to squeeze out as much sour grapes as possible while crapping on our playoff run.

You have a lot of angry control freaks on that side of the debate.

Too bad they can't enjoy 54 yard TD strikes to Javon Walker like we can.

:laugh:

[Taco John]

No burying happening here. I have hope left for the playoffs. Im not one of those who wanted to mail it in to get the rook some snaps.



Eat it Llama. Touchdown Broncos!

[Taco John]

You have a lot of angry control freaks on that side of the debate.

Too bad they can't enjoy 54 yard TD strikes to Javon Walker like we can.

:laugh:



Apparently the argument Llama is presenting is that Plummer didn't try hard enough this season to get the seemingly effortless plays that Cutler is capable of.

[-Slap-]

Apparently the argument Llama is presenting is that Plummer didn't try hard enough this season to get the seemingly effortless plays that Cutler is capable of.

Llama can check his prostate visually.

[Popps]

It's not much of a debate anymore. All that is left is for the Plummer whiners to squeeze out as much sour grapes as possible while crapping on our playoff run.

Yea, we can see you've really left the whole thing alone.

Hilarious!

[Popps]

You have fun with trying to prove yourself "right" Taco. Good comedy.

I'm going to go enjoy our next great QB having his break-out game. (And winning me a little fantasy $$ in the process)

[Taco John]

You have fun with trying to prove yourself "right" Taco. Good comedy.

I'm going to go enjoy our next great QB having his break-out game. (And winning me a little fantasy $$ in the process)

I'm incapable of proving myself right. The only person who can prove me right is the guy who just threw the 54 yard touchdown.

[Popps]

I'm incapable of proving myself right. The only person who can prove me right is the guy who just threw the 54 yard touchdown.

Well, if by you, you mean... everyone on the planet, you're correct.

I don't know anyone who didn't have big expectations for the kid.

So, sure... join the very crowded party of people who knew the kid had potential. I mean, he was drafted 11th, so... not exactly a big secret.

I'm more worried about him getting his first win than you being right, so forgive me.

[Taco John]

Oh? Everyone on the planet thought that Cutler gave us the best chance to win this season? Then what the hell is this thread about?

Watching you scramble to be right is more amusing than anything. I don't need your validation. I know I'm right. I'm just having a ball watching you invent new ways to not have to admit it.

[Popps]

Oh? Everyone on the planet thought that Cutler gave us the best chance to win this season? Then what the hell is this thread about?

No, no... many people thought he didn't.

I actually thought the switch was the right move.

Unfortunately, he didn't give us the "best chance to win now."

But, we all knew he had skills. But, feel free to bust your hand patting your own back because he threw a TD pass. Like I said, whatever makes you feel "right" about things.

The rest of us will be enjoying the kid's progress.

[fontaine]

Somebody needs to call Mike and Broncos and remind them that they're supposed to have quit on the season and mailed it in.

This thread belongs in the horse's butt because it's sh*t.

[Taco John]

Yeah, I'm not going to apologize for being right Popps. I have zero aversion to it, even if you want to make it a bad thing to be.

[Taco John]

Where'd llama disappear to? Cutler threw that TD, and llama's head must have exploded.

[Pendejo]

Somebody needs to call Mike and Broncos and remind them that they're supposed to have quit on the season and mailed it in.

This thread belongs in the horse's butt because it's sh*t.

I could have sworn I saw a Christmas themed stamp right in the middle of Darrent Williams' benched face.

[DenverBrit]

Where'd llama disappear to? Cutler threw that TD, and llama's head must have exploded.

A cranial inversion during an explosion will leave an a$$ exposed.

Mission accomplished. :P

[baja]

Have you even considered the fact that Denver was actually 7-4 before the QB change?

<b>Play your revisionist history to another idiot, I'm opting out.</b> The fact is that Jake was playing horrible. Fact is, we had lost two in a row. Fact is, Jay came in at possibly the most difficult stretch of the schedule against two divisional leaders. Fact is, Jake allready has a higher rating and TD/INT ratio.

Jay allready has a 10 point higher rating, despite being tight and nervous in his first start.

Let me explain something to the Mastedons...Jay didn't throw an interception. He had one turnover, and that was because of the idiot Dennison or Shannahan or whoever who didn't double the Roidinator.

Don't be so hard on yourself Mock you're not a really big idiot.

Or you could buy a vowel.

[Dagmar]

Don't be so hard on yourself Mock you're not a really big idiot.

Or you could buy a vowel.

But then he'd have no money to go here...http://www.funkypancake.com/blog/stuff3/2006/05/DSC09608-thumb.jpg

[Pendejo]

Where'd llama disappear to?

Who gives a sh!t?

[Hulamau]

The team obviously believed that Plummer could do what needed to be done to get them to the playoffs. That much is obvious, or at least it should be.

Shanahan's drafting of Cutler has the potential to be a monumental disaster. Never before have I seen a fanbase so willing to go along with the questionable dismantling of a conference finalist. Most teams arent gutsy enough to even attempt something like that. It will either result in more playoff wins or it will set the team back for a few years.

I'm not the type to ignore a potentially disasterous GM decision.

Looks Real disastrous doesn't it Llama! Second QB in NFL history to throw two TDs in each of his first three games!

Oh an if you think Plummer would have won last week against San Diego or made that 3rd quarter comeback you are smoking some skanky weed.

Our defense isn't going to any super bowl this year, Hence for the good of the team it was a great decision to put the kid in and go for it.

And in spite of that we still have the best chance to make the playoffs and though I doubt we'd go far, we'll go one hell of a lot further with Cutler at the helm than with Jake with the same defense and its injuries.

Just look at the leaps and bounds improvement Cutler has made in each and every game so far. At this rate he'll be Pro bowl material by the first playoff game (assuming they beat Cincy).

And if not, we at least get a better crop of draft picks to fill some of the many holes on defense and O-line/ RB we have for 2007 and beyond while Cutler will be ready to fire on all cylinders from week one in 2007.

That, my friend, is making the most with what you've got and kudos to Shanny for not being so myopic as to blow that opportunity for the modest chance to at best squeak into the playoffs and get blown out with Plummer playing like he was this year.

[Atwater His Ass]

It doesn't really matter what happens this year as far as playoffs. We won't get far with Plummer or Cutler at the helm. The focus is on next season, and with that in mind, Shanny made the right move putting the rook in to get him some valuable experience.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Shanahan's drafting of Cutler has the potential to be a monumental disaster. Never before have I seen a fanbase so willing to go along with the questionable dismantling of a conference finalist.
LOL

What an idjit!!!

[elsid13]

Where'd llama disappear to? .

I figure he working on thesis why the Mavaricks are the best team ever. Or why Young is better then any other QB ever to play football, because he was long horn

[jonny1]

I was a Plummer supporter for longer than a lot of people, but agreed with the move to Cutler when it happened (and have the #6 jersey to prove it).

But I have to call out Slap for saying that Plummer "mailed it in a long time ago."

Say what you will about Jake, but he never gave up, and always did the best he could to win the game. Take him to task for making wrong decisions, take him to task for not having a great arm, take him to task for not knowing the whole playbook, but you could not find one single Broncos player that could say that he ever gave up.

Hell, Rod Smith in his rant after the Chef game SPECIFICALLY pointed out that one of the players he didn't have to worry about was Plummer, that he was out there busting his rear end every single play trying to get things done.

Slap, you're smarter than that . . .

[Garcia Bronco]

I was a Plummer supporter for longer than a lot of people, but agreed with the move to Cutler when it happened (and have the #6 jersey to prove it).

But I have to call out Slap for saying that Plummer "mailed it in a long time ago."

Say what you will about Jake, but he never gave up, and always did the best he could to win the game. Take him to task for making wrong decisions, take him to task for not having a great arm, take him to task for not knowing the whole playbook, but you could not find one single Broncos player that could say that he ever gave up.

Hell, Rod Smith in his rant after the Chef game SPECIFICALLY pointed out that one of the players he didn't have to worry about was Plummer, that he was out there busting his rear end every single play trying to get things done.

Slap, you're smarter than that . . .


Amen

[epicSocialism4tw]

Where'd llama disappear to? Cutler threw that TD, and llama's head must have exploded.

When he threw that TD, I stood and cheered. Relishing in the fact that we can hope for the playoffs for another day, and that it appears that Sleepy Jay is making some progress.

I turned to my brother who is a Dolphins fan and said that I thought that the throw looked like Marino's. He agreed, and was envious.

You will find my opinion of Cutler's potential to be higher than most people here on this board. I think that he's got great potential, and you can find plenty of that in my posts after the draft and during the preseason. I will be ecstatic if Sleepy Jay fulfills that potential.

He looked solid against the Arizona Cardinals. Let's hope that he can keep step with Carson Palmer and the Bengals next week to get us one game away from what we all wanted to see this season: the playoffs.

One game against the Cardinals doesnt get it done. We need Sleepy Jay to perform against the Bengals in front of the nation next Sunday, and to close out the season against the 49ers after that.

How about an avatar and sig wager, Taco? If we make the playoffs, I'll put up a picture of Jay in my avatar for the duration of the playoffs and a subsequent month with thestatement that "Taco John was right" in the sig. If he does not, you will put a picture Jake Plummer in yours and the statement "Angryllama was right" in your sig. Nothing else can be displayed on the avatar or the sig space. What do you think?

[Paladin]

It doesn't really matter what happens this year as far as playoffs. We won't get far with Plummer or Cutler at the helm. The focus is on next season, and with that in mind, Shanny made the right move putting the rook in to get him some valuable experience.

Quoted for truth and reality and.... well, I just think it's right. You've said in a few words what I had been trying to say for a while. Good job.

[Popps]

I turned to my brother who is a Dolphins fan and said that I thought that the throw looked like Marino's. He agreed, and was envious.


His throw reminded me of Mario's from the first game he played...

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1222535&postcount=54


How about an avatar and sig wager, Taco? If we make the playoffs, I'll put up a picture of Jay in my avatar for the duration of the playoffs and a subsequent month with thestatement that "Taco John was right" in the sig. If he does not, you will put a picture Jake Plummer in yours and the statement "Angryllama was right" in your sig. Nothing else can be displayed on the avatar or the sig space. What do you think?

First off, he won't do it. Bets like that pin him to a specific stance, eliminating his wiggle-room.

No matter what happens... he's going to be "right" in his mind and spend the entire summer trying to convince us all of such.

Secondly, what living human being with functional eyesight (or not) has said Cutler would be anything less than a great QB in this league?

What would Taco be "right" about that everyone else on the planet wasn't right about, as well. Dude wasn't drafted #11 because he was a secret.

The kid is just fulfilling the potential that we all suspected he would. Sit back, enjoy it and hope it continues next week.

[Garcia Bronco]

Dude wasn't drafted #11 because he was a secret.

.



LOL

[epicSocialism4tw]

How about an avatar and sig wager, Taco? If we make the playoffs, I'll put up a picture of Jay in my avatar for the duration of the playoffs and a subsequent month with thestatement that "Taco John was right" in the sig. If he does not, you will put a picture Jake Plummer in yours and the statement "Angryllama was right" in your sig. Nothing else can be displayed on the avatar or the sig space. What do you think?
First off, he won't do it. Bets like that pin him to a specific stance, eliminating his wiggle-room.
No matter what happens... he's going to be "right" in his mind and spend the entire summer trying to convince us all of such.


Well, I figured that I'd offer some mutual resolution. He has been here but hasnt responded, so you may be right.

It's Cutler's release and trajectory that reminds me of Marino. The ball has a small arc and seems to maintain velocity at all points on the arc. He throws fastballs.

[Taco John]

It's a deal llama... I don't normally do sig bets, as I prefer six-pack bets. But what the hell. I have nothing to lose. And apparently it gets under Popps skin that he spent the entire summer arguing in vain, and is teetering in meltdown mode now that Jay is proving me right and he does give us the best opportunity to win now (just like I said since August). So what the hell. It's a deal.

[Taco John]

What would Taco be "right" about that everyone else on the planet wasn't right about, as well. Dude wasn't drafted #11 because he was a secret.



Man you never pass up a chance to spin.

Haven't you been arguing that Jay doesn't give us the best opportunity to win now, and that actually it's Jake who does? Now what are you saying? That there's no way to prove that? Ha!

Where'd I put that image of the Black Knight from the Monty Python sketches who keeps getting his arms and legs cut off and keeps demanding that he's going to win the battle?


Here we go:
http://images.entertainmentearth.com/%5CAUTOIMAGES%5CTYVMP009.jpg

You should go ahead and put this in your sig Popps. It fits you to a tee.

[Bronco Bob]

Somebody needs to call Mike and Broncos and remind them that they're supposed to have quit on the season and mailed it in.



Maybe the letter was returned with postage due?

[epicSocialism4tw]

It's a deal llama... I don't normally do sig bets, as I prefer six-pack bets. But what the hell. I have nothing to lose. And apparently it gets under Popps skin that he spent the entire summer arguing in vain, and is teetering in meltdown mode now that Jay is proving me right and he does give us the best opportunity to win now (just like I said since August). So what the hell. It's a deal.

If you win, you get to choose the avatar pic, same thing for me if I win. Kosher?

[Popps]

Jay is proving me right .

It's beyond funny, dude. It's actually sad that you need validation that badly. I guess it's some kind of weird Griese-hangover thing.

"Jay is proving me right."

LOL

Every single one of us on this forum could say that exact same thing. I just dug up my own friggin' quotes comparing the kid to Marino from his first snaps from center. But, congrats bro.... you really pulled the lid off of that one. :rofl:

Hey Taco, the sun set in the west today. Have you given yourself props for that yet? I did. It was great being "right" about it.

As for what I spent the summer "arguing" about, it was that this team needs a complete mechanism to win games. You'll find that to be the case with Jay as well.

But, no one would expect you to be able to wrap your head around actual football concepts that weren't strictly Griese or Plummer related.

[Taco John]

If you win, you get to choose the avatar pic, same thing for me if I win. Kosher?



Kosh.

[Popps]

[QUOTE=Taco John;1406964Haven't you been arguing that Jay doesn't give us the best opportunity to win now.[/QUOTE]

Poor guy. Reading probs.

Check my posts. I was not only in favor of the switch, but was in favor of making it EARLIER.

I was also aware exactly what Shanahan was doing. He was taking a stab in the dark. He put a kid in to see what would happen. The kid struggled early and we lost two. Not a surprise. Actually, that was a surprise to me because I predicted we'd get a "3 game spark." (You can also go and check my posts for that.)

Shanahan moved into the future, regardless of immediate results. I understand why some people didn't like that option.

Folks like yourself selling this "best chance to win now" business were already proven wrong. We lost two straight, and frankly... beating up on Arizona today isn't necessarily proof positive yet. (Though, I suspect it is.)

I liked the move. I'm also aware enough to look at the situation and to know exactly what happened.

Jay is our future. Why you believe you're the only one that knows that is anyone's guess.

Shanahan decided to move towards the future, regardless of consequence.
(Losing two games.) The upside being that he may pull it together in time to make a playoff run, and he'll be set to take over next season.

Nothing more, nothing less. Jay was playing crappy and we needed to try something.... anything. If we had ANY OTHER vet on the bench, he would have been in there.

It's all simple stuff.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Kosh.

Deal.
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[Taco John]

It's beyond funny, dude. It's actually sad that you need validation that badly. I guess it's some kind of weird Griese-hangover thing.

"Jay is proving me right."

LOL

Every single one of us on this forum could say that exact same thing. I just dug up my own friggin' quotes comparing the kid to Marino from his first snaps from center. But, congrats bro.... you really pulled the lid off of that one. :rofl:

Hey Taco, the sun set in the west today. Have you given yourself props for that yet? I did. It was great being "right" about it.

As for what I spent the summer "arguing" about, it was that this team needs a complete mechanism to win games. You'll find that to be the case with Jay as well.

But, no one would expect you to be able to wrap your head around actual football concepts that weren't strictly Griese or Plummer related.



Just who do you think is buying your act here? Everyone here knows that I have been arguing that Jay gives us the best chance to win now. Everybody here knows that I've been calling to start Jay since week one. Meanwhile, you argued that Jake gave us the best opportunity to win now. You argued that Jake was the solution for this season.

I don't care about your validation. The fact that you're spinning so madly is validation enough. Everybody here knows the score on this debate, and pretty well see through your act. So the only question left is, just who do you think you're fooling here?

Also, why can't you just admit you were wrong.

[Popps]

Deal.
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You've got a much better grasp on this whole thing, but I hope he kicks your ass in this bet.

:thumbsup:

I'd love to see Jay get a little playoff experience under his belt for next year when we (hopefully) field a respectable NFL defense.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Just who do you think is buying your act here? Everyone here knows that I have been arguing that Jay gives us the best chance to win now. Everybody here knows that I've been calling to start Jay since week one. Meanwhile, you argued that Jake gave us the best opportunity to win now. You argued that Jake was the solution for this season.

I don't care about your validation. The fact that you're spinning so madly is validation enough. Everybody here knows the score on this debate, and pretty well see through your act. So the only question left is, just who do you think you're fooling here?

Also, why can't you just admit you were wrong.

No name calling.

[Taco John]

It's all simple stuff.

Very simple stuff.

[Popps]

Meanwhile, you argued that Jake gave us the best opportunity to win now. You argued that Jake was the solution for this season.


Wrong. (Shocker.)

I said all along that I trusted Shanahan's call on this.

In fact, I said we were in a win/win (see avtar) all season long, and couldn't understand for the life of me why people (well, you in specific) had to get your panties so bunched up over it when we were winning games and had a blue chipper on the bench.

So, no act. It's all there in black and white.

Early on (like our head coach Mike Shanahan) I thought it was best to stick with the vet.

Later (like our head coach Mike Shanahan) I thought it was time to shake things up.

Actually, I thought he should have done it a week earlier.

So, once again... you're light-years off target. Nothing new.

[epicSocialism4tw]

You've got a much better grasp on this whole thing, but I hope he kicks your ass in this bet.
:thumbsup:
I'd love to see Jay get a little playoff experience under his belt for next year when we (hopefully) field a respectable NFL defense.

Me too. My desire for this season was to see the Broncos take another swing for the fences in the playoffs. We were in the AFC title game last year. That leaves one wanting.

Either way, a little humility and light-hearted fun never hurt anybody.

[Taco John]

Wrong. (Shocker.)

I said all along that I trusted Shanahan's call on this.

In fact, I said we were in a win/win (see avtar) all season long, and couldn't understand for the life of me why people (well, you in specific) had to get your panties so bunched up over it when we were winning games and had a blue chipper on the bench.

So, no act. It's all there in black and white.

Early on (like our head coach Mike Shanahan) I thought it was best to stick with the vet.

Later (like our head coach Mike Shanahan) I thought it was time to shake things up.

Actually, I thought he should have done it a week earlier.

So, once again... you're light-years off target. Nothing new.



You forgot to answer the part about who you think you're fooling with this garbage. :rofl:

Let me guess... You were for starting Jay before you were against replacing Plummer.


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[Popps]

Also, why can't you just admit you were wrong.

Oh, man... if I had a nickel for every time I've been wrong (and admitted it) around here, I'd be rich.

Where should we start... Watts? Bell? Nash? Hell, I liked Ray Rhodes.

I was happy we signed pancake boy.

I've been wrong as much as the next guy.

Problem is, I'm not wrong here... because you can't even figure out what it is that I'm wrong about.

You're making factually incorrect statements and claiming them to be my arguments.

I've asked you 100 times to please tell me what you think my point on this whole thing is, and you can't.

So, I've explained it to you. (We need a complete team and a real defense.)

But, without fail... you just go back to arguing against what you THINK my point has been.

Like I said, you just need to be right so badly... you're taking credit for silly **** like Cutler being talented (gosh, top secret there) and putting arguments in other people's mouths.

Whatever gets you through the day.

[Popps]

You forgot to answer the part about who you think you're fooling with this garbage. :rofl:

Let me guess... You were for starting Jay before you were against replacing Plummer.


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Wow, you can't even get your own material. You have to steal mine. It was funnier the first time when I used it, bro.


In any case, it's all there in black and white.

I supported Shanahan's sticking with Plummer (when we went 7-4, by the way) and I supported him making the switch.

I'd imagine a lot of fans around here were exactly the same.

Why you can't wrap your head around that is beyond me. But, not surprising.

[Taco John]

Wow, you can't even get your own material. You have to steal mine. It was funnier the first time when I used it, bro.




You didn't invent the John Kerry joke. You're just making yourself an easy target for it.

This is too much fun.

[Popps]

You didn't invent the John Kerry joke. You're just making yourself an easy target for it.

This is too much fun.

No, bro... I just used it on you first.

But, you've never been very creative.

You're right about it being "too much fun." Winning kicks ass. I love seeing Cutler out there tearing it up.

But, I loved beating K.C. and the Raiders this year when all you could do is sulk and try to bring people down.

I guess you're only happy if we win and it makes you (think you're) "right."

But, thanks again for blowing the lid off of this whole Jay Cutler thing. I mean.. who would have thought he'd ever amount to anything, huh?

[Blueflame]

Poor guy. Reading probs.

Check my posts. I was not only in favor of the switch, but was in favor of making it EARLIER.

I was also aware exactly what Shanahan was doing. He was taking a stab in the dark. He put a kid in to see what would happen. The kid struggled early and we lost two. Not a surprise. Actually, that was a surprise to me because I predicted we'd get a "3 game spark." (You can also go and check my posts for that.)

Shanahan moved into the future, regardless of immediate results. I understand why some people didn't like that option.

Folks like yourself selling this "best chance to win now" business were already proven wrong. We lost two straight, and frankly... beating up on Arizona today isn't necessarily proof positive yet. (Though, I suspect it is.)

I liked the move. I'm also aware enough to look at the situation and to know exactly what happened.

Jay is our future. Why you believe you're the only one that knows that is anyone's guess.

Shanahan decided to move towards the future, regardless of consequence.
(Losing two games.) The upside being that he may pull it together in time to make a playoff run, and he'll be set to take over next season.

Nothing more, nothing less. Jay was playing crappy and we needed to try something.... anything. If we had ANY OTHER vet on the bench, he would have been in there.

It's all simple stuff.
I don't know that I've ever read a bigger heap of steaming horse pucky... ROFL! Hilarious! LOL

[Taco John]

Folks like yourself selling this "best chance to win now" business were already proven wrong. We lost two straight, and frankly... beating up on Arizona today isn't necessarily proof positive yet. (Though, I suspect it is.)


You mean folks like me and Shanahan?

[Popps]

You mean folks like me and Shanahan?

Well, wait... is he your buddy now, because apparently he was a complete idiot the first 11 games for not starting the rookie.

Which is it, man? Is he a genius because we beat Arizona this week, or a moron because he hadn't made a QB switch when the team was 7-4?

I've actually agreed with his decisions all season long, aside from maybe starting Cutler a week late. (imo)

You were the one selling yourself as a better decision maker than him. Now you're using him as backing for yourself because we beat the Cardinals?

Hilarious!

[Taco John]

Well, wait... is he your buddy now, because apparently he was a complete idiot the first 11 games for not starting the rookie.

I wouldn't say complete idiot, but I definitely disagreed with keeping Jake alive past the bye week.


You were the one selling yourself as a better decision maker than him. Now you're using him as backing for yourself because we beat the Cardinals?

Hilarious!

I never once said that I was a better decision maker than Shanahan, even if I disagreed with him for staying with the lame duck too long.

[Popps]

I wouldn't say complete idiot, but I definitely disagreed with keeping Jake alive past the bye week.




I never once said that I was a better decision maker than Shanahan, even if I disagreed with him for staying with the lame duck too long.

Yea, well... Shanahan managed a 7-4 record making the decisions he did.

Guess he knows what he's doing with that stuff, which is why I supported his decisions, even if I thought we should have gone with Jay a week earlier.

[Dagmar]

Jesus fricking chreeist guys.


You both want the Broncos to win right? Quit the hair pulling!

I'm not gonna pull out the douche vs turd sandwich analogy.

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No wait, I did.

[Taco John]

Vote for Douche!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Poor guy. Reading probs.

Check my posts. I was not only in favor of the switch, but was in favor of making it EARLIER.

I was also aware exactly what Shanahan was doing. He was taking a stab in the dark. He put a kid in to see what would happen. The kid struggled early and we lost two. Not a surprise. Actually, that was a surprise to me because I predicted we'd get a "3 game spark." (You can also go and check my posts for that.)

Shanahan moved into the future, regardless of immediate results. I understand why some people didn't like that option.

Folks like yourself selling this "best chance to win now" business were already proven wrong. We lost two straight, and frankly... beating up on Arizona today isn't necessarily proof positive yet. (Though, I suspect it is.)

I liked the move. I'm also aware enough to look at the situation and to know exactly what happened.

Jay is our future. Why you believe you're the only one that knows that is anyone's guess.

Shanahan decided to move towards the future, regardless of consequence.
(Losing two games.) The upside being that he may pull it together in time to make a playoff run, and he'll be set to take over next season.

Nothing more, nothing less. Jay was playing crappy and we needed to try something.... anything. If we had ANY OTHER vet on the bench, he would have been in there.

It's all simple stuff.
LOL
That's some funny stuff there!!!!