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eddie mac
12-16-2006, 10:06 PM
Just decked Collins in the middle of a mass brawl against the Knicks. What a stupid ass.

That **** Collins started the whole thing with a flagrant foul on Smith.

All ten players were ejected from the court. This could really fvck the Nuggets season depending on who gets suspended and for how long.

Clockwork Orange
12-16-2006, 10:14 PM
Nate Robinson is the reason that entire thing escalated. Little bitch trying to prove to the world that he actually has a dick sparked the whole thing.

eddie mac
12-16-2006, 10:17 PM
Nate Robinson is the reason that entire thing escalated. Little b**** trying to prove to the world that he actually has a dick sparked the whole thing.

CO what kind of suspension could Carmelo be looking at for that punch???

Casper Bronco
12-16-2006, 10:23 PM
4 Games

Nuggets4
12-16-2006, 10:24 PM
I'd guess Melo's gone for 3-5 games. JR around 10. Robinson should get the 25 package though. Good lord. What was the dip**** thinking?

Clockwork Orange
12-16-2006, 10:27 PM
I'm guessing 3 games for Carmelo, give or take.

If Nate Robinson doesn't start shoving JR Smith, the whole thing gets defused without further incident.

eddie mac
12-16-2006, 10:27 PM
I'd guess Melo's gone for 3-5 games. JR around 10. Robinson should get the 25 package though. Good lord. What was the dip**** thinking?

What did JR do? Unless I missed it all I saw him doing was squaring up to Collins. I didn't see him throw any punches albeit the stream I was watching wasn't great. Who were the Nuggets 5 on the court and who else came off the bench and got involved???

Clockwork Orange
12-16-2006, 10:29 PM
Isiah on ESPNNEWS right now blaming the whole thing on JR Smith. He really is that ****ing stupid.

Clockwork Orange
12-16-2006, 10:30 PM
What did JR do? Unless I missed it all I saw him doing was squaring up to Collins. I didn't see him throw any punches albeit the stream I was watching wasn't great. Who were the Nuggets 5 on the court and who else came off the bench and got involved???

He threw at least one punch that I saw.

Nuggets4
12-16-2006, 10:34 PM
Isiah on ESPNNEWS right now blaming the whole thing on JR Smith. He really is that ****ing stupid.

You beat me to it.

Clockwork Orange
12-16-2006, 10:37 PM
You beat me to it.

Yeah, according to him, JR shouldn't have reacted at all to being thrown to the floor by his head.

Of course this is coming from a guy who played on those Piston teams who pulled **** like that at least once a game.

GonzoLays
12-16-2006, 10:37 PM
I didn't see it, but the New York board is calling Carmelo a pussy for throwing a supposed sucker punch and running. Did he do that?

GonzoLays
12-16-2006, 10:38 PM
If the punch is as bad the New York board is making it out to be, then Carmelo is going to get suspended a lot more games than three.

GonzoLays
12-16-2006, 10:40 PM
I'm thinking a minimum of six games (if not more) for the punch.

Clockwork Orange
12-16-2006, 10:40 PM
I'm sure Knick fans see nothing wrong with the flagrant foul or Nate Robinson escalating the whole thing.

Knick fans can kiss my ass right in the crack. **** them and their sorry ass team.

Nuggets4
12-16-2006, 10:42 PM
The ****ing talking head on ESPNNews is saying the whole thing got started with the Melo haymaker. That came near the end of the brawl, didn't it? The whole thing started when Robinson decided to be a gigantic bitch.

theAPAOps5
12-16-2006, 10:43 PM
No he didn't throw a sucker punch like it was out of nowhere. They were in a scrum and he threw a bow. Yeah he backpeddled afterwards and it looked like he was running. It will be a 3-4 game suspension for Melo. Anything more and that is retarded. Knicks fans are ignoring the fact that it was 2 of their players who were out there playing hockey rules. Isiah is responsible for that.

JR looked bad when Nate Robinson pushed him. JR went after him and they started brawlin. I put this on the Knicks Isiah can go Flub himself.

theAPAOps5
12-16-2006, 10:44 PM
I am tivoing the replay and will try to host the fight part so we can judge. Knicks fans are idiots if they think this is Denvers fault.

GonzoLays
12-16-2006, 10:45 PM
No he didn't throw a sucker punch like it was out of nowhere. They were in a scrum and he threw a bow. Yeah he backpeddled afterwards and it looked like he was running. It will be a 3-4 game suspension for Melo. Anything more and that is retarded. Knicks fans are ignoring the fact that it was 2 of their players who were out there playing hockey rules. Isiah is responsible for that.

JR looked bad when Nate Robinson pushed him. JR went after him and they started brawlin. I put this on the Knicks Isiah can go Flub himself.

I haven't seen the punch, but if it was a rough one like they are saying, he is going to be suspended six or more games.

Clockwork Orange
12-16-2006, 10:46 PM
Nuggets players are all taking the "no comment" route right now.

Clockwork Orange
12-16-2006, 10:47 PM
At least there's something to talk about other than Allen Iverson for a few minutes. ;D

GonzoLays
12-16-2006, 10:48 PM
If Melo was defending himself, then I can see a three game suspension. But if he came out of nowhere and punched collins (hard) then he is getting six or more. A punch, no matter how slight, carries a min of one game. It goes up from there depending on the serverity of the punch. Clock just called it a haymaker so it must be bad.

Nuggets4
12-16-2006, 10:48 PM
Gonzo, check out ESPNNews. They're currently getting ready to burn Melo's house down with torches. Apparently they are thinking the same as Knick fans. Most fan boards around the net though so far are saying it was Robinson's fault.

BTW, one Knicks board pointed out that in their last game, Collins entered the game late in order to deliver a hard foul as well. How about that Isiah?

theAPAOps5
12-16-2006, 10:50 PM
I haven't seen the punch, but if it was a rough one like they are saying, he is going to be suspended six or more games.

OK I just got a good shot of it. Yeah Melo might be sitting for more than 3. There was a camera shot like a boxing match. Melo straight nailed the dude.

Nuggets4
12-16-2006, 10:50 PM
Kelly Dwyer (SI.com) is posting on another board that earlier in the game Isiah and Melo were REALLY jawing at each other. Saying it was really extreme strange behavior for a head coach. Makes sense considering that I remember Hastings with 2 minutes left saying that Isiah was jawing at the refs and trying to get kicked out.

GonzoLays
12-16-2006, 10:52 PM
Gonzo, check out ESPNNews. They're currently getting ready to burn Melo's house down with torches. Apparently they are thinking the same as Knick fans. Most fan boards around the net though so far are saying it was Robinson's fault.

BTW, one Knicks board pointed out that in their last game, Collins entered the game late in order to deliver a hard foul as well. How about that Isiah?

See, I don't get that ****. Hockey players duke it out everynight and it doesn't even make Sportcenter's highlights. An NBA fight? SHIIITTTTTT, they act as if the event set western civilization back 50 years.

theAPAOps5
12-16-2006, 10:52 PM
Oh yeah Carmelo is getting a suspension. Isiah is still bitchin. What a tool, I think he may be gay.

Clockwork Orange
12-16-2006, 10:53 PM
Karl didn't shake hands with Isiah afterwards. Looks like he sure believes that Isiah sent his guy out there to throw a hard foul.

Considering Isiah's background, that's not surprising at all.

theAPAOps5
12-16-2006, 10:54 PM
Isiah now is talking about lecturing Melo about not being in the game. When did Carmelo become a player/coach. God I hate him.

theAPAOps5
12-16-2006, 10:55 PM
Karl didn't shake hands with Isiah afterwards. Looks like he sure believes that Isiah sent his guy out there to throw a hard foul.

Considering Isiah's background, that's not surprising at all.

Ibitcha definately sent out his thug.

Nuggets4
12-16-2006, 10:59 PM
Chris Sheriden (ESPN) just predicted 4 games for Melo, 2 for Collins, 1 for Robinson.

WHAT?!?

Clockwork Orange
12-16-2006, 10:59 PM
Nate Robinson called the foul that started it all, "A good, clean, hard foul."

Unbelievable.

Nuggets4
12-16-2006, 11:00 PM
Nate Robinson called the foul that started it all, "A good, clean, hard foul."

Unbelievable.

The Knicks are also saying that Isiah ordered the foul.

theAPAOps5
12-16-2006, 11:01 PM
Ok I am changing my thoughts on Melo. That was more chick slap by Melo than punch. If midget boy Robinson gets 1 game that is BS. Isiah sent out his 4th line thug. He damn well better get a suspension.

theAPAOps5
12-16-2006, 11:03 PM
ESPNews saying Melo threw a haymaker! Please, that was total open handed bitch slap.

Clockwork Orange
12-16-2006, 11:03 PM
The Knicks are also saying that Isiah ordered the foul.

That seemed pretty obvious after Isiah talked about how JR had done a reverse dunk earlier in the quarter and how they didn't want him doing that again in front of their fans.

If that's what happened, he deserves at least a one game suspension.

Nuggets4
12-16-2006, 11:04 PM
This is just re-enforcing my belief that Knicks fans are the stupidest fans on Earth. It's also making me think that my generation is the stupidest generation in a long time as I've seen a few posts saying that what Robinson did was "cool" and "necessary".

theAPAOps5
12-16-2006, 11:14 PM
Man Philly fans are thinking Carmelo gets 10-20. That is dumb. They are just hoping that since they are praying Denver doesn't get the AI trade.

Clockwork Orange
12-16-2006, 11:19 PM
Man Philly fans are thinking Carmelo gets 10-20. That is dumb. They are just hoping that since they are praying Denver doesn't get the AI trade.

LOL

Did I miss the part where he jumped into the crowd and started fighting with the fans?

spdirty
12-16-2006, 11:20 PM
damnit!!!!!

theAPAOps5
12-16-2006, 11:21 PM
Exactly, dude get over to realGM and watch what they are saying. I have been reading there to see what their "insider" is saying. They are praying Denver doesn't get AI. Now they are throwing out 10-20 gamers for both JR and Melo. Melo will get 5 games, 7 tops that is all. He slapped a dude and then backed away fast. That is not 20 suspension criteria.

Nuggets4
12-16-2006, 11:23 PM
While Robinson and Thomas and Collins are getting off scott-free, and it's BS, I am SERIOUSLY disappointed in Melo right now. God dammit, this is the kind of **** that seems to keep popping up and just hurting him. WALK AWAY. Just WALK AWAY.

Dammit.

Rascal
12-16-2006, 11:27 PM
They have the brawl on ESPN.com.

Clockwork Orange
12-16-2006, 11:28 PM
While Robinson and Thomas and Collins are getting off scott-free, and it's BS, I am SERIOUSLY disappointed in Melo right now. God dammit, this is the kind of **** that seems to keep popping up and just hurting him. WALK AWAY. Just WALK AWAY.

Dammit.

I agree, he should have just walked away. He didn't and he'll be punished for it.

I still contend that the whole thing would have died out pretty fast if not for Nate Robinson jumping in, shoving JR Smith, putting his hands up to challenge him and then throwing a punch at him.

theAPAOps5
12-16-2006, 11:29 PM
Okay on another site a guy posted a link to fines and suspensions in the past. I just looked back to last year as this was after the Detroit/Indy mele. I found this:

1/13/06
The NBA suspended Keyon Dooling (Orl) for 5 games and Ray Allen (Sea) for
3 games for their fight in Wednesday's Orl-Sea game. Dooling got the
longer suspension as he initiated the fight and also attempted to confront Allen in the hallway after leaving the court (security was able to keepDooling from reaching Allen, though words were exchanged).

Melo didn't start the fight and didn't confront anyone in the halls. So based on precedent he should only get 3-4. But the way the media is spinning it Melo will get more. Man he needs to just pull people off JR and then back off.

Rascal
12-16-2006, 11:31 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=261216018

Clockwork Orange
12-16-2006, 11:31 PM
http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/MSG10612170329.jpg

This is what Nate Robinson calls "a good, clean, hard foul."

epicSocialism4tw
12-16-2006, 11:34 PM
While Robinson and Thomas and Collins are getting off scott-free, and it's BS, I am SERIOUSLY disappointed in Melo right now. God dammit, this is the kind of **** that seems to keep popping up and just hurting him. WALK AWAY. Just WALK AWAY.

Dammit.

He needs someone to help him change some things and manage his public image better.

There have been things that have happened in his career that give him the image of a low-life street thug, and these things just further that perception of him. ESPiN wants him to do these things so that he can be a controversial figure, and unfortunately he continues to oblige.

He understands leadership as stepping into the fray and escalating the situation further for his boy. He needs someone to tell him that leadership in that situation involves thinking about the entire franchise and the fans in the arena. It involves thinking. That takes maturity.

theAPAOps5
12-16-2006, 11:36 PM
Ok this is just dumb that link saying they haven't seen "Testiness" since the brawl in the Palace. That is just BS you can't compare a player fight to a player fan fight. And for the love of God do not EVER use the term Testiness wiht sports again. I felt like my mom was scolding me when I was 5.

epicSocialism4tw
12-16-2006, 11:36 PM
Ok this is just dumb that link saying they haven't seen "Testiness" since the brawl in the Palace. That is just BS you can't compare a player fight to a player fan fight. And for the love of God do not EVER use the term Testiness wiht sports again. I felt like my mom was scolding me when I was 5.

These players went into the stands.

They will not get off easy.

theAPAOps5
12-16-2006, 11:37 PM
He needs someone to help him change some things and manage his public image better.

There have been things that have happened in his career that give him the image of a low-life street thug, and these things just further that perception of him. ESPiN wants him to do these things so that he can be a controversial figure, and unfortunately he continues to oblige.

He understands leadership as stepping into the fray and escalating the situation further for his boy. He needs someone to tell him that leadership in that situation involves thinking about the entire franchise and the fans in the arena. It involves thinking. That takes maturity.

Thats a great point Llama. Someone needs to say being a leader and bigger man means walking away and being there for the next game. Now we don't see him until after Christmas. And ESPin is just eating this up.

Clockwork Orange
12-16-2006, 11:38 PM
These players went into the stands.

They will not get off easy.

They fell into the stands, they didn't run into them to scrap with fans. Bit of a difference there.

Funny, that part of it started because Nate Robinson threw a punch at JR Smith, yet no one is talking about that.

Rascal
12-16-2006, 11:39 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/photos?photoId=1386640&gameId=261216018

Jefferson punching Melo in the throat.

theAPAOps5
12-16-2006, 11:39 PM
These players went into the stands.

They will not get off easy.

NO they did not go into the stands AFTER the fans. Melo never went into the stands. JR got slammed into the stands by midget Nate Robinson. You can't call that going into the stands.

Clockwork Orange
12-16-2006, 11:41 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/photos?photoId=1386640&gameId=261216018

Jefferson punching Melo in the throat.

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/MSG10912170346.jpg

That might explain why Carmelo lost his head. Still doesn't justify it.

theAPAOps5
12-16-2006, 11:41 PM
They fell into the stands, they didn't run into them to scrap with fans. Bit of a difference there.

Funny, that part of it started because Nate Robinson threw a punch at JR Smith, yet no one is talking about that.

Thank you! Little punk Robinson threw punches and raised his fists to JR. He should get just as big a suspension for starting the mele. Now he is on TV looking like Webster talking like its all on Denver. Jared Jeffries is a punk too talking about a sucker punch. Man what babies.

WABronco
12-16-2006, 11:41 PM
...that was a "haymaker"............what? I guess Stern could suspend him for "attempting" a punch.

Dooling "threw" a punch at Allen too...I imagine that this suspension will be similar.

theAPAOps5
12-16-2006, 11:43 PM
...that was a "haymaker"............what? I guess Stern could suspend him for "attempting" a punch.

Dooling "threw" a punch at Allen too...I imagine that this suspension will be similar.

Exactly, Melo threw a slap. Now they are talking about it spiling into the fans. That is on Webster Robinson he body slammed JR into the stands. He better get the big suspension for taking it into the crowd.

epicSocialism4tw
12-16-2006, 11:43 PM
They fell into the stands, they didn't run into them to scrap with fans. Bit of a difference there.

It doesnt matter much how they got there, they ended up swinging and wrestling in the laps of the patrons.


Funny, that part of it started because Nate Robinson threw a punch at JR Smith, yet no one is talking about that.

It will be talked about. The observer misses it in the images at first because it is a peripheral event that occurs at the bottom of the screen while you watch other people jawing at center camera.

Anthony's slap will be talked about because the fracas was settling down a bit before Anthony decided to slap Collins and escalate it again.

Rascal
12-16-2006, 11:44 PM
Isiah does have a point though, why were Melo and Camby still out there?

theAPAOps5
12-16-2006, 11:45 PM
It doesnt matter much how they got there, they ended up swinging and wrestling in the laps of the patrons.




It will be talked about. The observer misses it in the images at first because it is a peripheral event that occurs at the bottom of the screen while you watch other people jawing at center camera.

Anthony's slap will be talked about because the fracas was settling down a bit before Anthony decided to slap Collins and escalate it again.

I definately agree Melo escalated it. Damn he just needed to walk away. Webster Robinson better get a suspension for taking the fight into the stands.

Clockwork Orange
12-16-2006, 11:46 PM
Isiah does have a point though, why were Melo and Camby still out there?

Ask George Karl. The players don't pick and choose when they leave the game.

Still, regardless of who's on the floor, it doesn't justify Isiah sending one of his scrubs in there to put a flagrant foul on someone.

epicSocialism4tw
12-16-2006, 11:46 PM
http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/MSG10912170346.jpg

That might explain why Carmelo lost his head. Still doesn't justify it.

I just watched the video again, and you cant fault Jeffries there, he's trying to push Anthony back away from the fight, and his hand slides up his jersey.

Anthony slapped Collins because of what he did to Smith.

epicSocialism4tw
12-16-2006, 11:47 PM
Ask George Karl. The players don't pick and choose when they leave the game.

Still, regardless of who's on the floor, it doesn't justify Isiah sending one of his scrubs in there to put a flagrant foul on someone.


He pulled a Chaney special.

Clockwork Orange
12-16-2006, 11:49 PM
Anthony slapped Collins because of what he did to Smith.

If that's true, and at this point it's all speculation, then he did the wrong thing for the right reason. He was standing up for a teammate, fine. But getting himself suspended over it is bad for the team.

Wise up, young man.

Clockwork Orange
12-16-2006, 11:50 PM
He pulled a Chaney special.

Or an old Detroit Pistons special. They used to pull that kind of garbage all the time back in Isiah's playing days.

WABronco
12-16-2006, 11:50 PM
Thank you! Little punk Robinson threw punches and raised his fists to JR. He should get just as big a suspension for starting the mele. Now he is on TV looking like Webster talking like its all on Denver. Jared Jeffries is a punk too talking about a sucker punch. Man what babies.

Oh come on...Nate didn't throw a punch. He was talking **** and acting tough but he didn't throw a punch. Robinson's been a bit of a hothead since he's entered the league, though...

Jared Jeffries is a punk too talking about a sucker punch. Man what babies.

Well Collins clearly wasn't aware that Melo was taking a swing at him.

Here's my un-biased summary:

1. Collins foul
2. JR Smith reacts
3. Robinson pulls Smith away
4. Robinson provokes Smith further
5. Robinson and Smith go into the stands
6. Bitch-fight ensues

Clockwork Orange
12-16-2006, 11:53 PM
Oh come on...Nate didn't throw a punch. He was talking **** and acting tough but he didn't throw a punch. Robinson's been a bit of a hothead since he's entered the league, though...

No, he did throw a punch at him while someone was pulling JR away. That's why JR reacted the way he did. Watch it again.

theAPAOps5
12-16-2006, 11:55 PM
No, he did throw a punch at him while someone was pulling JR away. That's why JR reacted the way he did. Watch it again.

Exactly! That is what I am talking about. Webster just ran his mouth then as someone was pulling JR away Webster took a b itch slap.

epicSocialism4tw
12-16-2006, 11:57 PM
These guys might get unfairly suspended:
Najera
Camby
David Lee
Jeffries
Channing Fyre
Andre Miller

I couldnt see anyone else. Nene came off of the bench, so he might be suspended.

To be fair, Collins should get the punishment for the flagrant 2 / ejection, but he didnt do anything but defend himself and stand out of the way by Bavetta during the madness.

These guys will certainly be suspended, and probably with severeness in this order:
1. Nate Robinson
2. Carmelo Anthony
3. JR Smith

WABronco
12-16-2006, 11:57 PM
No, he did throw a punch at him while someone was pulling JR away. That's why JR reacted the way he did. Watch it again.

I've watched it 4 times, and I just can't call that a punch. That's a shove to the chest, at worst. JR reacted the way he did because this little 5-8 man was playing the tough guy...

Regardless, I'm sure Nate will get nailed as well for escalating.

Clockwork Orange
12-16-2006, 11:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHI2HYE2J0A

At about the 1:30 mark. Robinson shoves JR, Lee is pulling JR away and Robinson throws a right hand at him. That's where things popped off.

theAPAOps5
12-16-2006, 11:59 PM
Either way I agree Melo, JR, and Webster will get suspensions. I think Webster deserves one just as high as Melo/JR. He is the reason this thing took off.

Clockwork Orange
12-17-2006, 12:01 AM
Either way I agree Melo, JR, and Webster will get suspensions. I think Webster deserves one just as high as Melo/JR. He is the reason this thing took off.

Isiah deserves a suspension as well since he and his players have basically admitted that he sent Collins out there to throw a hard foul.

theAPAOps5
12-17-2006, 12:04 AM
Isiah deserves a suspension as well since he and his players have basically admitted that he sent Collins out there to throw a hard foul.

Oh yeah I agree I was just commenting on what como sey Llama was listing. I think Zeke deserves 2 for thinking this turned into a hockey game.

epicSocialism4tw
12-17-2006, 12:05 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHI2HYE2J0A

At about the 1:30 mark. Robinson shoves JR, Lee is pulling JR away and Robinson throws a right hand at him. That's where things popped off.

He throws what looks like a two-finger sliding super-kung-fu knife hand that misses or maybe slightly contacts some chin, Smith instinctively reacts and comes firing away at Robinson.

Nuggets4
12-17-2006, 12:06 AM
These guys might get unfairly suspended:
Najera
Camby
David Lee
Jeffries
Channing Fyre
Andre Miller

I couldnt see anyone else. Nene came off of the bench, so he might be suspended.

Najera is the only one on that list in any danger of being suspended, and he won't be. The others aren't even SEEN in any of the footage of the fight. As for Nene, he'll get a fine for leaving the bench (league rules), but that's it.

Clockwork Orange
12-17-2006, 12:06 AM
He throws what looks like a two-finger sliding super-kung-fu knife hand that misses or maybe slightly contacts some chin, Smith instinctively reacts and comes firing away at Robinson.

By NBA standards, that's a punch. There hasn't been a decent punch thrown in this league since Kermit Washington.

Clockwork Orange
12-17-2006, 12:07 AM
Najera is the only one on that list in any danger of being suspended, and he won't be. The others aren't even SEEN in any of the footage of the fight. As for Nene, he'll get a fine for leaving the bench (league rules), but that's it.

Nene will get an automatic one game suspension for leaving the bench.

epicSocialism4tw
12-17-2006, 12:09 AM
Najera is the only one on that list in any danger of being suspended, and he won't be. The others aren't even SEEN in any of the footage of the fight. As for Nene, he'll get a fine for leaving the bench (league rules), but that's it.

All of those guys were seen moving and shoving around the pile. I dont think that they deserve it, but the possibility is there. Especially for Nene who came off of the bench after Anthony threw the slap.

Nuggets4
12-17-2006, 12:10 AM
Nene will get an automatic one game suspension for leaving the bench.

You sure? All the talking heads were saying it's an automatic fine, but not suspension. I could be wrong.

theAPAOps5
12-17-2006, 12:10 AM
Nene will get an automatic one game suspension for leaving the bench.

They are saying Melo runs away. ESPin is just putting this is all on him, saying "Severe fines/suspensions" will be surely doled out. I swear to God if Melo gets more than 5 its BS.

Nene left the bench but while he looks to be an aggressor it also looks like he was holding some dudes back. Maybe he gets a fine and thats it.

Clockwork Orange
12-17-2006, 12:11 AM
You sure? All the talking heads were saying it's an automatic fine, but not suspension. I could be wrong.

I could swear that the league rule is an automatic one game suspension for anyone who leaves the bench during an altercation.

epicSocialism4tw
12-17-2006, 12:11 AM
You sure? All the talking heads were saying it's an automatic fine, but not suspension. I could be wrong.

I think that it depends on the context, but I dont know how they categorize those things.

theAPAOps5
12-17-2006, 12:11 AM
Dude you know Nate Robinson is short when he is looking up and I mean UP at the reporters. Webster makes me laugh!

epicSocialism4tw
12-17-2006, 12:13 AM
They are saying Melo runs away. ESPin is just putting this is all on him, saying "Severe fines/suspensions" will be surely doled out. I swear to God if Melo gets more than 5 its BS.

Nene left the bench but while he looks to be an aggressor it also looks like he was holding some dudes back. Maybe he gets a fine and thats it.

This happened in NY. It will be repeated ad nauseum in the press. Not only sports press, but on the front page. This will be the closest thing we will see to the Pacers/Pistons hooliganism without fans taking punches from players. These guys will get hefty fines. The NBA doesnt want it's front page news to be crowd-entering brawls, especially in NY.

Clockwork Orange
12-17-2006, 12:14 AM
I think that it depends on the context, but I dont know how they categorize those things.

I don't think so, I think it's a black & white rule. You leave the bench, you get suspended.

Clockwork Orange
12-17-2006, 12:15 AM
This happened in NY. It will be shown ad nauseum. This will be the closest thing we will see to the Pacers/Pistons hooliganism without fans taking punches from players. These guys will get hefty fines.

Of course, but the fact of the matter is that this is nowhere close to what happened in Detroit. They can spin it as much as they like, but this was flat out tame compared to the Palace brawl.

theAPAOps5
12-17-2006, 12:16 AM
This happened in NY. It will be shown ad nauseum. This will be the closest thing we will see to the Pacers/Pistons hooliganism without fans taking punches from players. These guys will get hefty fines.

Yeah I agree on fines. Right now Chris Sheridan is pimping his column on espn.com and calling Melo's punch a sucker punch. That is not a sucker punch. He saw that coming and it was a SLAP.

Isiah has a lot to do with this as well. Man Melo looks bad though with the slap and run.

epicSocialism4tw
12-17-2006, 12:17 AM
Of course, but the fact of the matter is that this is nowhere close to what happened in Detroit. They can spin it as much as they like, but this was flat out tame compared to the Palace brawl.

Well, it didnt involve players attacking fans, but it did go into the stands. This isnt what the PR department wants on the front page, so they'll have to come down harder than they would have before the brawl.

You also have to consider that some of the front row patrons could have lawsuits up their sleeves. The NBA has to take drastic measures.

Clockwork Orange
12-17-2006, 12:21 AM
Well, it didnt involve players attacking fans, but it did go into the stands. This isnt what the PR department wants on the front page, so they'll have to come down harder than they would have before the brawl.

You also have to consider that some of the front row patrons could have lawsuits up their sleeves. The NBA has to take drastic measures.

Drastic? I don't think so. It was a fight, it was nasty, but it's not going to be on Good Morning America or anything like the Palace brawl was.

They'll dole out suspensions to Anthony, Collins, Robinson, Smith, Nene & (hopefully) Isiah and that will be pretty much be that.

theAPAOps5
12-17-2006, 12:23 AM
Dude players go into those seats all the time. Same with the courtside seats. That is expected in most cases. Yeah a fight fell in their laps but half the stadium had left. Looking at the tape it no fan got caught underneath. Most were running already and one guy was kind of chuckling.

epicSocialism4tw
12-17-2006, 12:31 AM
Drastic? I don't think so. It was a fight, it was nasty, but it's not going to be on Good Morning America or anything like the Palace brawl was.
They'll dole out suspensions to Anthony, Collins, Robinson, Smith, Nene & (hopefully) Isiah and that will be pretty much be that.

I'm not so sure about that, but we'll see.

As a fan of neither team, I dont have a dog in either hunt. I do see some variables that will cause this to be propagated for awhile and ultimately dealt with severely.

1. Anthony is a budding "superstar", and he will get much more media attention. He threw a slap that caused the thing to become chaotic, and there are several images that will be shown all over the place. The media can focus on Anthony because of his past, and this thing wont die for a couple of weeks. It's a big deal.

2. It went into the front row.

3. It happened right in the belly of the beast. The NY media will push this story hard and villainize Anthony.

4. It has the same chaotic NBA feel and close fan proximity as "the brawl", and has mainstream staying power because of the dramatic images that recall that event.

Clockwork Orange
12-17-2006, 12:34 AM
Someone posted this on another board, I'll re-post it here for some perspective.

11/21/04

The NBA came down hard with the suspensions for Friday's Ind-Det brawl that involved players going into the stands and punches being exchanged between players and fans. Ron Artest (Ind) was suspended for the rest of the season (72 games). Stephen Jackson (Ind) was suspended for 30 games. Jermaine O'Neal (Ind) was suspended for 25 games. Those total suspensions are upped by 1 game as they do not include Saturday's Ind-Orl game. The Players Association has already stated that they will appeal those 3 suspensions and an arbitrator may eventually reduce the length of those suspensions. All 3 threw punches at fans and Artest and Jackson went into the stands. Anthony Johnson (Ind) was suspended 6 games - he was the player in street clothes who punched a fan on the court right after Artest and the fan had a confrontation. His suspension will not start until he is physically able to play. Ben Wallace (Det) was suspended for 6 games for his two handed shove to Artest's face during the game and for throwing a towel at Artest after the players had been separated. Elden Campbell (Det), Chauncey Billups (Det), Derrick Coleman (Det), and Reggie Miller (Ind) were suspended for 1 game for leaving the bench during the on court altercation between Wallace and Artest. Artest, Jackson, and O'Neal will be listed on a suspended list so Indiana will be able to sign players for their spots while the players are suspended (and, thus, exceed the 15 player roster maximum). Commissioner David Stern: "The penalties issued today deal only with one aspect of this incident that of player misconduct. The actions of the players involved wildly exceeded the professionalism and self-control that should fairly be expected from NBA players. We must affirm that the NBA will strive to exemplify the best that can be offered by professional sports, and not allow our sport to be debased by what seem to be declining expectations for behavior of fans and athletes alike." Stern: "To watch the out-of-control fans in the stands was disgusting. It doesn't excuse our players from going into the stands."

The worst suspenions doled out from that whole melee to players who didn't run into the stands and fight with fans was 6 games. All this talk about Carmelo getting 10+ games is completely ridiculous.

Clockwork Orange
12-17-2006, 12:38 AM
I'm not so sure about that, but we'll see.

As a fan of neither team, I dont have a dog in either hunt. I do see some variables that will cause this to be propagated for awhile and ultimately dealt with severely.

1. Anthony is a budding "superstar", and he will get much more media attention. He threw a slap that caused the thing to become chaotic, and there are several images that will be shown all over the place. The media can focus on Anthony because of his past, and this thing wont die for a couple of weeks. It's a big deal.

2. It went into the front row.

3. It happened right in the belly of the beast. The NY media will push this story hard and villainize Anthony.

4. It has the same chaotic NBA feel and close fan proximity as "the brawl", and has mainstream staying power because of the dramatic images that recall that event.

I agree on a couple of points, but I don't think that's going to carry much weight when suspensions are handed down. Things are still hot right now because it just happened a couple of hours ago, but in the end it's just an on court incident of a few players getting into it with each other. They'll be punished and this whole thing will blow over and be forgotten.

It's not going to be anywhere near as lasting as the Palace brawl.....no matter how much the media wants to morph it into that.

Hercules Rockefeller
12-17-2006, 12:56 AM
Damn, first game I'm going to this year is against the Suns this Wednesday, and that was a hedge that they might have AI in uniform for that.

Was listening to the Knicks broadcast on Sirius and up until Anthony threw his "punch", they couldn't stop saying how disgraceful the actions of the Knicks were and how they felt sorry for everyone that came out to MSG tonight.

DomCasual
12-17-2006, 01:41 AM
The Knicks franchise has sunk to the point where Isiah Thomas is whining about getting embarrassed in front of his home crowd, then sending a thug out to deliver a cheap shot.

Embarrassing.

Man-Goblin
12-17-2006, 01:41 AM
I'm pissed at Melo. I really am.

I have followed the Nuggets since I was a little kid. Other than the '94 playoffs I've never had a reason to get excited about the Nuggets, ever, until Melo. Watching him in the 3rd quarter tonight was like a dream. He was unstoppable.

And get this. I am in Denver for next 2 and a half weeks. I haven't been home in 3 years, so naturally I have never seen him play. Now, it looks like I STILL may not be able to. Damn you Melo. Totally unnecessary and stupid.

Clockwork Orange
12-17-2006, 01:49 AM
The Knicks franchise has sunk to the point where Isiah Thomas is whining about getting embarrassed in front of his home crowd, then sending a thug out to deliver a cheap shot.

For the second straight game. He did the same thing Friday night (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=261215011).

Flagrant Fouls: 1 NEWYORK ( M Collins 1 )

That happened with 1:44 to go in the game. Coincidence?

epicSocialism4tw
12-17-2006, 01:55 AM
For the second straight game. He did the same thing Friday night (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=261215011).

Flagrant Fouls: 1 NEWYORK ( M Collins 1 )

That happened with 1:44 to go in the game. Coincidence?

The thugs are hanging on with all of their might. Thomas is a dinosaur, best left to struggle in a tar pit.

Jens1893
12-17-2006, 02:31 AM
I'm not so sure about that, but we'll see.

As a fan of neither team, I dont have a dog in either hunt. I do see some variables that will cause this to be propagated for awhile and ultimately dealt with severely.

1. Anthony is a budding "superstar", and he will get much more media attention. He threw a slap that caused the thing to become chaotic, and there are several images that will be shown all over the place. The media can focus on Anthony because of his past, and this thing wont die for a couple of weeks. It's a big deal.

2. It went into the front row.

3. It happened right in the belly of the beast. The NY media will push this story hard and villainize Anthony.

4. It has the same chaotic NBA feel and close fan proximity as "the brawl", and has mainstream staying power because of the dramatic images that recall that event.

Points 1 and 3 sum it up perfectly.

spdirty
12-17-2006, 02:45 AM
God being a fan of this team is frustrating!

Pendejo
12-17-2006, 02:54 AM
yahoo.com has a pretty unbiased account of things.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-nuggets-knicksbrawl&prov=ap&type=lgns

I especially liked all time NBA super puss Isiah Thomas' take on the thing. Mind you...he watched some of the all time greatest muggings in NBA history when he was with the pistons. Not to mention he was a failure as the owner of the CBA, and is in a death match with matt millen as the worst gm in sports history.

To wit:

Thomas said he even told Anthony that he never should have been in the game at the time.

"I just said to him, 'You know, you're up 20, you're up 19 with a minute and half to go, you and (Marcus) Camby really shouldn't be in the game right now,"' Thomas said. "We had surrendered, those guys shouldn't even be in the game at that point in time."

After the hard foul by Collins, Smith got up and jawed with Collins and Robinson jumped in to yell at Smith -- who had thrown down a reverse dunk on a fast break minutes earlier.

"They were having their way with us," Thomas said. "I think J.R. Smith had just made one dunk when he reversed and spun in the air. And I think Mardy didn't want our home crowd to see that again. So he fouled him."

(Edit: See the bold text.)

Jens1893
12-17-2006, 03:07 AM
Look at the poll on espn.com ... and so it begins

Jens1893
12-17-2006, 03:19 AM
And so it continues. Brace yourself, Nuggs fans, they´re only getting started

From Chris Mannix on CNNSI

Stern needs to come down with an iron fist on this one. For Mardy Collins (whose flagrant foul, while deserved, could have been a lot worse) gets five games. Nate Robinson, whose immaturity rivals that of most teenagers, gets 15. J.R. Smith, Nate's partner in the playpen, gets the same. Carmelo Anthony, the NBA's scoring leader and whose name will be associated with this night for the rest of his career, gets 30. Too much? Jermaine O'Neal got that and he hit a fan charging the floor. 'Melo just poured fuel on the fire.

Pendejo
12-17-2006, 03:27 AM
Look at the poll on espn.com ... and so it begins

I just saw the "fight" on espn.com. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

That was a real melee. Aside from the one tackle it was nothing more than a 3rd grade cafeteria slap fight.

If 'Melo is lucky he'll get a huge suspension from his girly punch. He'll sale more sneakers.

What a ridiculously overblown b!tchfest this was. Watermock gets slapped harder by his kitties than anyone in this nonsense got hit.

Good grief.

BroncoBuff
12-17-2006, 05:20 AM
ESPN News might be demonizing Melo ... they're calling Melo's shot a "sucker punch." But isn't a sucker punch only when a guy is not looking ... this was not a sucker punch.

Also, they are playing up Isiah's angle that "Melo and Camby shouldda been on the bench" because they had a huge lead

.

Broncoman13
12-17-2006, 08:07 AM
I'm more of a Nuggets fan than Knicks fan, that's for sure. But I'm not a diehard. Not even a big NBA fan. But, here are some points.

#1. Melo shouldn't get suspended for more than 5 games. He didn't hit the dude that hard. It was, for the most part, on the court.
#2. It WAS a cheap shot. He wasn't engaged with the dude and reached around to get a sucker punch on the guy. Yes, he deserved to get "popped" in the head. But Melo made himself look like a little punk by throwing the cheapshot and then "bailing".

#3. Isiah IS right. Up by 20 points why would you have the league's leading scorer in the game? The Nuggets made this too easy for the Knicks to flip. They started the whole thing and 95% of America will hear the reasons behind the hard foul and they will take the Knicks side. Couple in a "sucker punch" by Melo and it's not good for the Nugs.

BroncoBuff. Not sure there is a clear cut definition of a sucker punch, but I'm pretty sure you can classify getting hit when you're not expecting a person to hit you as a "sucker punch" or a "cheap shot". He had to jump around the guy wearing a suit and the Knicks player was clearly not expecting to engage with Melo.

Sorry Nuggets fans, you're team is taking a lot of egg for this one and I'm not so sure they shouldn't be.

I'm suprised none of the Nugget fans are wondering why they're top players are in the game with 1:30 left to play up by 20??? What's worse, the Knicks had taken out their best players (not too good to begin with I know) already and were conceding the game.

Broncoman13
12-17-2006, 08:12 AM
ESPN News might be demonizing Melo ... they're calling Melo's shot a "sucker punch." But isn't a sucker punch only when a guy is not looking ... this was not a sucker punch.

Also, they are playing up Isiah's angle that "Melo and Camby shouldda been on the bench" because they had a huge lead

.


Actually, Alan Houston was playing that angle down. He said there is a point to be made for sure, but that isn't bad enough to lead to a all out brawl. No excuses... period.

Put it to you this way. If Karl pulls Melo and the Nuggets have a bunch of back-ups in there... I'm in complete favor of the Nugs in this incident. But, with Melo in there it looks like the Nugs are trying to run up the score and embarrass the Knicks... in MSG no less. I'm not suprised in the least by the reaction of the Knicks. Anybody that has ever played ball in any sport knows that losing can be embarassing. When somebody is rubbing it in it's that much worse.

theAPAOps5
12-17-2006, 09:23 AM
The way the media is handling this Stern will give a suspension larger than deserved for Carmelo. I thinks its BS the way ESPN is handling this like it was an all out street brawl.

Meck77
12-17-2006, 10:37 AM
The NBA is trash.

Bronco_Beerslug
12-17-2006, 11:04 AM
The NBA is trash.Yeah, "hit-n-run" Anthony is a great ambassador for the game and roll model for kids!

usedupbraids
12-17-2006, 11:38 AM
LOL i was looking at this game it was kinda of funny

usedupbraids
12-17-2006, 11:40 AM
Yeah, "hit-n-run" Anthony is a great ambassador for the game and roll model for kids!

melo just anit no bitch thats all

bfoflcommish
12-17-2006, 11:56 AM
Yeah, "hit-n-run" Anthony is a great ambassador for the game and roll model for kids!


this is a pretty funny post coming from someone who did or did not send an e-mail to an unnamed cities newspaper to tattle tale on someone who disagrees with them. And then not own up to it like a real man would. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

gunns
12-17-2006, 11:57 AM
I'm more of a Nuggets fan than Knicks fan, that's for sure. But I'm not a diehard. Not even a big NBA fan. But, here are some points.

#1. Melo shouldn't get suspended for more than 5 games. He didn't hit the dude that hard. It was, for the most part, on the court.
#2. It WAS a cheap shot. He wasn't engaged with the dude and reached around to get a sucker punch on the guy. Yes, he deserved to get "popped" in the head. But Melo made himself look like a little punk by throwing the cheapshot and then "bailing".

#3. Isiah IS right. Up by 20 points why would you have the league's leading scorer in the game? The Nuggets made this too easy for the Knicks to flip. They started the whole thing and 95% of America will hear the reasons behind the hard foul and they will take the Knicks side. Couple in a "sucker punch" by Melo and it's not good for the Nugs.

BroncoBuff. Not sure there is a clear cut definition of a sucker punch, but I'm pretty sure you can classify getting hit when you're not expecting a person to hit you as a "sucker punch" or a "cheap shot". He had to jump around the guy wearing a suit and the Knicks player was clearly not expecting to engage with Melo.

Sorry Nuggets fans, you're team is taking a lot of egg for this one and I'm not so sure they shouldn't be.

I'm suprised none of the Nugget fans are wondering why they're top players are in the game with 1:30 left to play up by 20??? What's worse, the Knicks had taken out their best players (not too good to begin with I know) already and were conceding the game.

1. I think he will get suspended more than 5. What does it matter how hard he hit him? Somebody was jawing at him and he had to show he was a man?Up to that point he hadn't really done much, was being escorted off the court and turned around and hit him. What a dumba**.

2. Agree

3. What I'd like to ask Isaiah is what does that have to do with anything? My feeling is that is no reason for any of this or the hard foul.

Just a bunch of babies and why I don't watch NBA much anymore.

usedupbraids
12-17-2006, 12:00 PM
this is a pretty funny post coming from someone who did or did not send an e-mail to an unnamed cities newspaper to tattle tale on someone who disagrees with them. And then not own up to it like a real man would. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

WHAT A LOSER :wiggle: :D

Rascal
12-17-2006, 12:04 PM
this is a pretty funny post coming from someone who did or did not send an e-mail to an unnamed cities newspaper to tattle tale on someone who disagrees with them. And then not own up to it like a real man would. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

LOL

GonzoLays
12-17-2006, 12:04 PM
The NBA is trash.


Yeah, "hit-n-run" Anthony is a great ambassador for the game and roll model for kids!

Bitch trolls.

Meck and SnitchSlug feel the same way. Can't say that I am shocked.

GonzoLays
12-17-2006, 12:20 PM
He needs someone to help him change some things and manage his public image better.

There have been things that have happened in his career that give him the image of a low-life street thug, and these things just further that perception of him. ESPiN wants him to do these things so that he can be a controversial figure, and unfortunately he continues to oblige.

He understands leadership as stepping into the fray and escalating the situation further for his boy. He needs someone to tell him that leadership in that situation involves thinking about the entire franchise and the fans in the arena. It involves thinking. That takes maturity.

I guess you forgot about Jet Terry punching Michael Finley in WC playoffs and Stackhouse clotheslining Shaq in the finals.

If Carmelo wasn't thinking, then those two fools are complete idiots.

epicSocialism4tw
12-17-2006, 02:01 PM
I guess you forgot about Jet Terry punching Michael Finley in WC playoffs and Stackhouse clotheslining Shaq in the finals.
If Carmelo wasn't thinking, then those two fools are complete idiots.

Terry's little jab was unexcuseable. Shaq got bounced by Stackhouse (think about that for a second...a two guard bounced Shaq onto his big 'ol butt) because he had been playing Bad Boys basketball, and had even elbowed Nowitzki intentionally and with malice in the jaw. Shaq was the dirtiest player in that series by a mile. Stackhouse's foul was within the flow and the tenor of the game. If the refs didnt want the finals to have that type of feel, they shouldnt have allowed Shaq to do the things that he was doing. If you can dish it out, you should be able to take it.


Stackhouse's image isnt a sparkling one, but he isnt Dallas' star player.

Terry on the other hand has a great reputation with fans. Comparing Anthony, who has had serious problems in the public arena, with Terry or Stackhouse isnt a good comparison.

Nobody condones Terry's nut jab. Stackhouse's play was a hard foul in the flow of the game.

usedupbraids
12-17-2006, 02:04 PM
MELOS is going to be gone for like 2 weeks for this maybe the A.I trade will pick up in denver

theAPAOps5
12-17-2006, 03:41 PM
I saw a video with sound from the Knicks broadcast. When Melo connected you could hear it clear as day. That was pretty darn loud. I bet he gets 10 games.

epicSocialism4tw
12-17-2006, 03:42 PM
I saw a video with sound from the Knicks broadcast. When Melo connected you could hear it clear as day. That was pretty darn loud. I bet he gets 10 games.

Anthony slapped like a girl and ran away from Robinson like one too. ;D

theAPAOps5
12-17-2006, 03:45 PM
Anthony slapped like a girl and ran away from Robinson like one too. ;D

Yeah I know. Here is the video from what I was talking about.

http://www.break.com/index/knicks_nuggets_brawl.html

epicSocialism4tw
12-17-2006, 03:55 PM
Yeah I know. Here is the video from what I was talking about.

http://www.break.com/index/knicks_nuggets_brawl.html

Yep. That slap pops.

theAPAOps5
12-17-2006, 03:58 PM
Yep. That slap pops.

Thats what I am saying. Other angles clearly show it a slap but man that thing popped like a punch. Still can't believe hit and ran like that. Maybe he was backing up to take on less as they came but just looks sissy like on tape.

epicSocialism4tw
12-17-2006, 04:01 PM
Thats what I am saying. Other angles clearly show it a slap but man that thing popped like a punch. Still can't believe hit and ran like that. Maybe he was backing up to take on less as they came but just looks sissy like on tape.

What made it worse was that that little bugger mini-gangster-wannabe Nate Robinson charged after him while Anthony retreated.

Man-Goblin
12-17-2006, 10:25 PM
This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach.

And as far as Melo running away, it looked to me like it was one of those "Oh ****, what did I just do?" things.

theAPAOps5
12-17-2006, 10:34 PM
This makes you sick. You should see the stuff that happened back in the day. I forgot his name but back in the days some dude came and totally sucker punched a guy hardcore. ARGH his name was mentioned numerous times and I can't remember it now.

Bronco_Beerslug
12-17-2006, 10:48 PM
this is a pretty funny post coming from someone who did or did not send an e-mail to an unnamed cities newspaper to tattle tale on someone who disagrees with them. And then not own up to it like a real man would. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

This is a pretty funny post considering the author is quoting Tensi the racist, bigot and liar. Who are some of your other heroes...... Anthony?

b**** trolls.
Meck and SnitchSlug feel the same way. Can't say that I am shocked.
Ah, in chimes Tensi's 5th dimension mirror image.

gunns
12-17-2006, 10:50 PM
The one hardcore punch I remember was against Rudy Tom. I can't remember who did the punching. I remember Bill Laimbeer doing some incredibly dirty things.

theAPAOps5
12-17-2006, 10:52 PM
The one hardcore punch I remember was against Rudy Tom. I can't remember who did the punching. I remember Bill Laimbeer doing some incredibly dirty things.

Thats the one. Rudy T was nailed on that one. Just looked it up and it was Kermit Washington. That was just a nasty punch.

rubaiyat
12-17-2006, 11:40 PM
The NBA is trash.

Yeah curse those NBA players that stomp on a prone opponents head with cleats on!!

Clockwork Orange
12-18-2006, 12:01 AM
For the members of the east coast media calling for Carmelo to be suspended for anywhere from 10-30 games, dream on.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6550352/

Longest suspensions

72-x Ron Artest, Indiana Pacers, (for the remainder of the season) for fighting with fans in the final minute of a game at Detroit Pistons on Nov. 19, Nov. 21, 2004.

68 Latrell Sprewell, Golden State Warriors, (for one year) after “physically assaulting” coach P.J. Carlesimo during a practice, Dec. 4, 1997. Arbitrator John Feerick overturned the Warriors’ termination of the Sprewell’s contract and reduced his one-year suspension by five months, ending July 1.

30-x Stephen Jackson, Indiana Pacers, for fighting with fans in the final minute of a game at Detroit on Nov. 19, Nov. 21, 2004.

26 Kermit Washington, L.A. Lakers, (60 days) for punching Houston’s Rudy Tomjanovich, 1977.

25-x Jermaine O’Neal, Indiana Pacers, for fighting with fans in the final minute of a game at Detroit on Nov. 19, Nov. 21, 2004.

11 Dennis Rodman, Chicago Bulls, and fined $25,000 for kicking a courtside television photographer, Jan. 17, 1997.

10 Vernon Maxwell, Houston Rockets, for going into the stands and hitting a fan, Feb. 6, 1995.

7 Nick Van Exel, L.A. Lakers, and fined $25,000 for shoving a referee, April 9, 1996.

6 Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons, for shoving Indiana’s Ron Artest after a foul led to the 5-minute fracas in the final minute of a game against the Pacers on Nov. 19, Nov. 21, 2004.

6 Dennis Rodman, Chicago Bulls, and fined $20,000 for head-butting a referee, March 18, 1996
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So these people honestly believe that Carmelo deserves a longer suspension than guys who attacked fans and referees? Please. ::)

He'll likely get 5 games at the most and that will be that. He's already apologized (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2700724) for the incident and the hype surrounding this has died out pretty quickly.

epicSocialism4tw
12-18-2006, 12:05 AM
This is a pretty funny post considering the author is quoting Tensi the racist, bigot and liar. Who are some of your other heroes...... Anthony?
Ah, in chimes Tensi's 5th dimension mirror image.


Further attempting to rub the guys name in the dirt after a "random lurker" (ahem) got him fired from his job for what he posted on the internet just shows the depths that you have sunken to. Trying to slander his name any more only makes you look more guilty and even more petty. You will never be perceived the same on this board agan.

Clockwork Orange
12-18-2006, 12:11 AM
Just as a side note, I was at the game where Nick The Quit shoved the referee onto the scorers table. That was the one and only time I got to see Magic Johnson play live.

epicSocialism4tw
12-18-2006, 12:28 AM
Just as a side note, I was at the game where Nick The Quit shoved the referee onto the scorers table. That was the one and only time I got to see Magic Johnson play live.

Awesome.

I find it funny that NVE has an almost mythical reputation here in Dallas. He helped us knock off a couple of teams in the playoffs and said some things that Dallas fans wanted to hear, but he was a volume shooter who was bound to eventually sink the ship if he had stayed. Cuban did a good job of getting him out of there before he sunk the ship.

Rascal
12-18-2006, 01:06 AM
Kind of what I expect to happen, although Thomas should get 6 games IMO.
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Updated: Dec. 17, 2006, 8:20 PM ET
As penalties loom, NBA poised to rule from experienceBy Chris Sheridan
ESPN.com
Archive

NEW YORK -- Stu Jackson was not a happy man when I reached him by cell phone Sunday morning, which means it'll be a Black Monday for Carmelo Anthony, Nate Robinson, J.R. Smith and a whole bunch of others.


"We're taking this very seriously," Jackson told ESPN.com, giving an early indication that he won't be handing out garden-variety punishments to the Knicks and the Nuggets for their Saturday night fight.

Penalties are expected to be announced Monday, and expect Jackson to come down hard, not because this was as bad of a fight as the one at the Palace of Auburn Hills just over two years ago, which it wasn't, but because it reminded everybody of the Palace brawl.

Three or four years ago this type of altercation would have been written off with a bunch of one- to four-game suspensions, but the game changed after Ron Artest went into the stands and Jermaine O'Neal slugged a fan who came onto the court. And with these types of events now being viewed through a post-Palace prism, with the NBA still reeling from such a major black eye, and with this fight having taken place right in David Stern's backyard, the smart money says the punishments are going to raise some eyebrows.

Here's an educated guess at how Jackson will rule:

Anthony will get hit the hardest for his sucker punch that decked Mardy Collins, a haymaker that could have become a secondary flash point that turned this into an even bigger brawl. Prediction: 8 games.

Robinson actually did provide the flash point that turned this from an altercation to a fight, running into the fray and grappling with J.R. Smith in a tussle that nearly spilled into the first row of seats. Prediction: 6 games.

Smith had every right to get up and confront Mardy Collins after the hard foul, but he had no right to throw a punch at Robinson just before the two were separated. Prediction: 3 games.

Jared Jeffries was held back at midcourt from going after Anthony, who backpedaled away after slugging Collins. But Jeffries was ready to take this fight to an even more chaotic level, and they'll get him for intent on this one. Prediction: 1 game.

Collins' foul was so egregiously flagrant, he stands a better than fair chance of being hit with more than the standard one-game suspension for a flagrant category 2 foul. He also committed a similar foul the previous night in Indiana in the waning moments of another lopsided loss. Prediction: 2 games.

Jerome James of the Knicks and Nene of the Nuggets appeared to leave the bench area during the fight, a well-established no-no. Prediction: 1 game each.

Isiah Thomas is the trickiest call of the bunch, and a lot will depend on what he tells Jackson -- and what Anthony tells Jackson -- over the phone. Anthony says Thomas, who was angry that the Nuggets were still playing four starters despite being up 19 with under 2 minutes left, told him a minute or so before the brawl that he should stay out of the paint -- pretty much a warning that a hard foul was coming. That would make Thomas culpable for helping incite the brawl, and instigators never get off lightly with Stu and his boss, David Stern. Prediction: 3 games.

theAPAOps5
12-18-2006, 01:11 AM
I would say that is fair. Melo was stupid in doing what he did. Although it wasn't a sucker punch. He popped off and Melo turned and hit him. A sucker punch is a punch where you hit a man not looking. Still it was dumb and he needs to learn to walk away and point to the scoreboard. He was working his way into being one of the faces of the NBA now they are going to step back a little I bet.

Pendejo
12-18-2006, 01:19 AM
I couldn't care less about the NBA...but that "fight" is nothing more than a media creation. If a dude Anthony's size, and with his strength...leverage...et al...really sucker punched someone they'd be down. I don't think he even connected.

That wasn't a fight...that a multi-millionaire version of grab ass.

RhymesayersDU
12-18-2006, 02:18 AM
Well, good to know my New Year's Eve tickets are now worthless. Not to say I only go to games to see Melo, but without him we're ****ed. Especially against the Mavs.

Anyways, to chime in... I didn't read the thread, but what a ****ty situation. Knicks started it, Nuggets finished it, suspensions all around.

Melo didn't sucker punch the guy. Melo may have run away instantly, but a sucker punch it wasn't. You can even see Carmelo turn his head and say "WHAT?" before punching him... Meaning the guy must have said something ****ty. But you'd hope your superstar player would be smart enough to not throw a punch.

Good to know the Knicks instantly admitted to trying to start a fight on purpose by saying the flagrant was a called play. Isiah is a trip.

Karl shouldn't have had the guys in though. The Knicks were correct on that point.

And from a personal accolades point of view, I'm going to feel sorry if this stops Melo from making the All-Star Team, which it very well may.

Poor Nuggets.

theAPAOps5
12-18-2006, 02:20 AM
I couldn't care less about the NBA...but that "fight" is nothing more than a media creation. If a dude Anthony's size, and with his strength...leverage...et al...really sucker punched someone they'd be down. I don't think he even connected.

That wasn't a fight...that a multi-millionaire version of grab ass.

Oh he connected go click on that thread I linked. You could clearly hear the Pop, and it was a smack to boot.

rubaiyat
12-18-2006, 03:08 AM
Well, good to know my New Year's Eve tickets are now worthless. Not to say I only go to games to see Melo, but without him we're ****ed. Especially against the Mavs.

Anyways, to chime in... I didn't read the thread, but what a ****ty situation. Knicks started it, Nuggets finished it, suspensions all around.

Melo didn't sucker punch the guy. Melo may have run away instantly, but a sucker punch it wasn't. You can even see Carmelo turn his head and say "WHAT?" before punching him... Meaning the guy must have said something ****ty. But you'd hope your superstar player would be smart enough to not throw a punch.

Good to know the Knicks instantly admitted to trying to start a fight on purpose by saying the flagrant was a called play. Isiah is a trip.

Karl shouldn't have had the guys in though. The Knicks were correct on that point.

And from a personal accolades point of view, I'm going to feel sorry if this stops Melo from making the All-Star Team, which it very well may.

Poor Nuggets.

Well someone on this board rhetorically wondered how the League was going to keep Melo out of the All-Star game this year...

Here's to idle musings, and how fate has a habit of showing you...

Bronco_Beerslug
12-18-2006, 08:46 AM
Further attempting to rub the guys name in the dirt after a "random lurker" (ahem) got him fired from his job for what he posted on the internet just shows the depths that you have sunken to. Trying to slander his name any more only makes you look more guilty and even more petty. You will never be perceived the same on this board agan.Hey "God's child", being the hypocrite and liar you are, you fit right in the Tensi character mold.

bfoflcommish
12-18-2006, 10:26 AM
This is a pretty funny post considering the author is quoting Tensi the racist, bigot and liar. Who are some of your other heroes...... Anthony?


Ah, in chimes Tensi's 5th dimension mirror image.



This post right here shows me you know more about someone like Brad Pitt personally more than you know about Steve Tensi13 personally, even though you had almost daily postings with him.

Oh well, I guess it's nice to think you know more than you really do.

Nuggets4
12-18-2006, 10:34 AM
Yeah, can we take the posts that are about some drama that apparently happened in another forum that I could care less about and move them back to that forum?

Thanks.

RhymesayersDU
12-18-2006, 11:50 AM
The good news is, there are 6 games between now and new year's eve.

Come on Stern, sit Melo for 6 and let him play the Mavs.

Obushma
12-18-2006, 11:54 AM
I would say that is fair. Melo was stupid in doing what he did. Although it wasn't a sucker punch. He popped off and Melo turned and hit him. A sucker punch is a punch where you hit a man not looking. Still it was dumb and he needs to learn to walk away and point to the scoreboard. He was working his way into being one of the faces of the NBA now they are going to step back a little I bet.

Carmelo Anthony is a bitch, straight up. He went around an assistant coach trying to break it up and threw the punch, it wasnt like he was in the guys face. If the guy was selling woof tickets then fight the guy, don't sucker punch the guy and then run off. If you're man enough to throw the punch, then be man enough to go toe-to-toe.

Melo just opened up a youth center, what is he teaching those kids, that it's ok to act like a thug? I hope Stern lays the law down on his punk ass.

bfoflcommish
12-18-2006, 12:13 PM
Carmelo Anthony is a b****, straight up. He went around an assistant coach trying to break it up and threw the punch, it wasnt like he was in the guys face. If the guy was selling woof tickets then fight the guy, don't sucker punch the guy and then run off. If you're man enough to throw the punch, then be man enough to go toe-to-toe.Melo just opened up a youth center, what is he teaching those kids, that it's ok to act like a thug? I hope Stern lays the law down on his punk ass.

It's not even that, cooler head prevailed. He knew he was wrong once he threw it so back off and don't get into more to make the suspension longer.

Obushma
12-18-2006, 12:25 PM
It's not even that, cooler head prevailed. He knew he was wrong once he threw it so back off and don't get into more to make the suspension longer.

Please tell me you dont truely believe that. The guy just punched someone in the face, you ever been in a fight before?

Tredici
12-18-2006, 12:32 PM
Isiah Thomas is the trickiest call of the bunch, and a lot will depend on what he tells Jackson -- and what Anthony tells Jackson -- over the phone. Anthony says Thomas, who was angry that the Nuggets were still playing four starters despite being up 19 with under 2 minutes left, told him a minute or so before the brawl that he should stay out of the paint -- pretty much a warning that a hard foul was coming. That would make Thomas culpable for helping incite the brawl, and instigators never get off lightly with Stu and his boss, David Stern. Prediction: 3 games.



Isiah Thomas is an idiot. Earlier in the game he's whining about the number of fouls. Like they are supposed to be 50/50 instead of called as happened. Then he decided Karl can't have his starters on the floor (Even though the Nuggets lost in a big comeback to the Knicks earlier this season I guess they are to be afforded the same opportunity by putting in the scrubs). Then he verbally warns a Denver player - Don't go into the paint.

There is something seriously wrong with that guy. Of course everyone wants this to be about Melo's punch. Let's all make sure Melo takes responsibility.
It was a stupid thing to do and he'll pay the price.

Too bad that won't extend to a coach whose judgement is unbelievably impaired.

Obushma
12-18-2006, 12:43 PM
Trust me, I know Isiah Thomas is an idiot, that foul should have never happened.

It does not however, make light, the punch by Anthony. Seriously, what does he say to those kids he just opened up that rec center for? If somone fouls you in here it's ok to sucker punch them, it's ok to act like a thug in here? His actions spoke much louder then any apology he gave or will give. I just hope Stern thinks about that when he decides how many games Mello will serve.

Bronco_Beerslug
12-18-2006, 01:05 PM
This post right here shows me you know more about someone like Brad Pitt personally more than you know about Steve Tensi13 personally, even though you had almost daily postings with him.
Oh well, I guess it's nice to think you know more than you really do.Ah, so you know the bigot and racist known as Tensi personally and can attest to his character. Should have known once you started defending him.

Carmelo Anthony is a b****, straight up. He went around an assistant coach trying to break it up and threw the punch, it wasnt like he was in the guys face. If the guy was selling woof tickets then fight the guy, don't sucker punch the guy and then run off. If you're man enough to throw the punch, then be man enough to go toe-to-toe.

Melo just opened up a youth center, what is he teaching those kids, that it's ok to act like a thug? I hope Stern lays the law down on his punk ass.
15 games for him. Maybe we can get a real role model in here like Iverson now.

Jori
12-18-2006, 01:18 PM
Yup...Melo gets 15. JR and Nate Robinson each get 10. Both teams are fined 500K.

epicSocialism4tw
12-18-2006, 08:17 PM
Stern is the worst thing ever to happen to the NBA.

Every single suspension was too much, and some of those guys probably shouldnt have been suspended. Sorry, Nuggets fans. You got the shaft.

Master___Pain
12-18-2006, 08:25 PM
Stern is the worst thing ever to happen to the NBA.

Every single suspension was too much, and some of those guys probably shouldnt have been suspended. Sorry, Nuggets fans. You got the shaft.

And Isiah gets off scot-****ing-free....unbelievable

RhymesayersDU
12-18-2006, 09:11 PM
I generally like Stern as a comish, I think he's done a lot for the game... But not doing anything to Isiah really sours me on him.

Nuggets4
12-18-2006, 09:45 PM
Stern is awesome, but he ****ed a goat on this one.

epicSocialism4tw
12-18-2006, 09:52 PM
Stern is awesome, but he ****ed a goat on this one.


Stern is a worm-ridden turd.

epicSocialism4tw
12-18-2006, 09:55 PM
David Stern on the NBA Championship parade:

http://www.marmaladechainsaw.com/archives/images/jabba.jpg

Tredici
12-19-2006, 04:53 PM
And Isiah gets off scot-****ing-free....unbelievable

I guess we all learn something from this. There is a staunch code of honor recognized in the NBA that after losing four games on the road, having teams come back on you in several losses a coach like Karl is ABSOLUTELY NOT allowed to let his team try to close out a game big and head home feeling ready for the next game. As Isiah said - He (meaning Karl) put his team in that position --and I especially liked the little smirk on his face when he said it, confirms there is no tolerance of running up a score in the NBA.

Kudos to the Nuggets organization to accepting all penalties, taking responsibility for their part in the mess and not whining about anything.

Enjoy your losses this year Thomas. And hopefully they will be close. By one or two points so they will meet with your approval of the opposition.