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bloodsunday
12-13-2006, 10:43 AM
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_5210239,00.html

Opening up offense gives Cutler comfort but has drawbacks

They will weigh production against protection as their prized prospect learns his way behind center.

"We'll look at it," coach Mike Shanahan said. "We know he's comfortable when we spread it out because he can see the rush coming. You can see those blitzes coming. But he's got to get rid of it quickly. If he doesn't, that's a problem; he knows that."

After two starts, the Broncos are at an odd crossroad. They would like to encase Cutler behind as many blockers as possible to keep him out of harm's way.

But since being tossed into the lineup 11 games into the season, Cutler has been most comfortable when the Broncos open up the formation, putting him several yards deep, waiting to take a shotgun snap and looking at a formation with receivers scattered across the field.

So much so that, with the Broncos in catch-up mode for much of the afternoon against the hard-rushing San Diego Chargers, Denver lined up with four receivers on 19 snaps and, on eight other snaps, played with two receivers and two tight ends spread across the field.

That was 44 percent of the offensive plays.

"I felt good when we did it," Cutler said. "I think that once I settled down a little, we opened it up some and things got a little better. We'll see what (the coaches) think, but I felt that way."

The trouble with all of that is, with five blockers up front and everybody else in the pass pattern, defenses, especially ones particularly good at tossing around quarterbacks, often are just as excited. Out of that look, Cutler performed well against the Chargers, who lead the NFL in sacks, but took some hits.

He was sacked four times during the 48-20 loss, but three came when the Broncos were in a four-receiver look. Those three included two hits from Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman that jarred the ball loose.

The first fumble, during the first quarter, was recovered by Broncos running back Tatum Bell; the second, during the fourth quarter, was recovered by the Chargers at the Broncos 7-yard line.

"But he stayed calm in there . . . ," Broncos receiver Rod Smith said. "And that was one of those things I enjoyed seeing."

Cutler said he "knew it was going to be a short edge . . . and they were going to be coming hard trying to slap the ball. I've just got to protect it better."

Standing in the shotgun offers Cutler a longer look at things. Instead of worrying about his footwork and scanning the field as he drops back from center, he can receive the ball, ready to throw.

Also, with Broncos receivers spread out sideline to sideline, it spreads out the defense. That can make it easier for the still-learning- on-the-job Cutler to see where the defense will add an extra player to the pass rush after the snap because that defender must move across more open space to get in position to come after him.

"John (Elway) always liked the shotgun, felt like he could go downfield a little more," Shanahan said. "You get a chance to get a pre-snap read on a blitz. That extra half-second is a big deal.

"The other side if it is, in a shotgun, there are only a few runs you can use, so they have their ears back to get after the quarterback. No question, that's the biggest disadvantage; you're declaring, basically, that it's a passing situation. But there is a lot of things you can do out of it, so we like it in the right situation."

It's not for everybody. Shanahan has joked about the lengths Hall of Fame quarterbacks Joe Montana and Steve Young would go to stay out of the spread look when Shana- han was an assistant with the San Francisco 49ers.

"Steve Young and Joe Montana, I've said, I think they dropped the snaps on purpose in the shotgun so they wouldn't have to do it any more because they liked the timing under center," Shanahan said. "They liked the five-step drop, they just felt comfortable in that look.

"But you're always weighing what you think is going to work and what will keep your quarterback from taking unnecessary hits. You don't want to get your guy killed."

bloodsunday
12-13-2006, 10:45 AM
Isn't it funny how Shanny always relates his latest QB to Elway, Montana or Young? Why doesn't he just say it: "Right now, I'd be happy if the kid were better than Griese or Plummer." He's part of the reason that expectations are always so high around here -- he is setting the bar so high with his comparisons.

OrangeShadow
12-13-2006, 10:49 AM
The single play that pissed me off about the offensive line more than anything else or any other play was the 4th and 2 from our 28. We had 6 guys in to block, five lineman and i want to say tatum. They rushed 4 down lineamn and cutler didnt have more than 2 seconds. Thats a disgrace.

BroncoInferno
12-13-2006, 11:00 AM
Isn't it funny how Shanny always relates his latest QB to Elway, Montana or Young? Why doesn't he just say it: "Right now, I'd be happy if the kid were better than Griese or Plummer." He's part of the reason that expectations are always so high around here -- he is setting the bar so high with his comparisons.

That was always knee jerk stuff from the media. When he compared Griese's arm to Montana's, all he meant was that you don't have to have a lazer to be a good NFL QB, not that Griese was going to be as good as Montana. The media, of course, spun it the way that would create the most controversy. It's even more harmless in this case: he's simply saying that some guys prefer the simplification of reads in the shotgun, while others prefer the timing of drop backs.

bloodsunday
12-13-2006, 11:08 AM
That was always knee jerk stuff from the media. When he compared Griese's arm to Montana's, all he meant was that you don't have to have a lazer to be a good NFL QB, not that Griese was going to be as good as Montana. The media, of course, spun it the way that would create the most controversy. It's even more harmless in this case: he's simply saying that some guys prefer the simplification of reads in the shotgun, while others prefer the timing of drop backs.

I get what Shanahan is saying. And I think he believes that by using his example on HoF guys gets his point across and makes it more valid. But fans and medial both assume he is comparing them. It's no ones fault or anything just a little quirky deal. The fans need to be the ones that realize that Jay's bar, for now, should be Griese and Plummer. If he is better than the two of them by next season, then we should be jumping for joy.

BroncoInferno
12-13-2006, 11:15 AM
But fans and medial both assume he is comparing them. It's no ones fault or anything just a little quirky deal.

It is their fault if they are too idiotic or lazy to see the clear distinction in comparing arm strength versus saying "Griese is going to be as good as Montana," which was the spin. I think the media knew better, they just wanted to print the most controversial story. Most fans, consequently, lazily didn't bother to double check Shanny's actual quotes.

Kind of like a couple of weeks ago when the media presented Shockey as saying "there's no way in hell the Cowboys can beat us," when he actually said "there's no way in hell the Cowboys can beat us when we play our game," that qualifer of course making for more inane copy. Most fans didn't bother to check out the full quote.

Garcia Bronco
12-13-2006, 11:17 AM
Go Cutler!!

bloodsunday
12-13-2006, 11:41 AM
It is their fault if they are too idiotic or lazy to see the clear distinction in comparing arm strength versus saying "Griese is going to be as good as Montana,"
I guess I should have been more clear, I meant it wasn't the fault of Shanahan or any other official that compares and contrasts players this way. Of course it is the fault of the individual that is not willing to see through media spin and make their own opinion. But that's just the world we live in.

Smiling Assassin27
12-13-2006, 11:58 AM
putting the kid in the shotgun saved his bacon all game long. he's not all that versed in sliding around the pocket or even getting out of there, though he did make a nice throw after breaking the pocket to scheff for the TD. he ain't vince young, that's for sure. but he also isn't matt leinart who, in a race with his pregnant girlfirend, finished third.

fontaine
12-14-2006, 06:13 AM
Kudos to Mike Shanahan.

I rest easy knowing that we've got one of the best coaches in the league when it comes to the QB position.

Most coaches would have gone the safer route with a rookie back there only making his 2nd start against argueably the best 3-4 D in the league with premiere pass rushers.

But Shanahan knows QBs and he put Jay in the best situation for the kid by implementing a game plan to his strengths rather than just playing it safe. Putting in Scheff as well was great. It's these kind of things that let me know the rookie is in safe hands and won't lack great coaching.

watermock
12-14-2006, 07:19 AM
So then why many of us screaming about the lack of the shotgun in his first game? Now it's the norm? Nice spin job Shanny. Bill Clinton has nothing on you.

To give the benefit of the doubt, Shanny and Jay are still feeling each other out and Jay couldn't of come in against a more difficult schedule.

I'll stand by my opinion that against the 3-4 it's good to keep TE's in on the line...you can always move then into the slot before the snap. I can handle 4 wide, it's the empty backfields that drive me crazy. I've said this before...Scheff can still go into a route...just chip the OLB on the outside shoulder to take away the edge and give Pears a fighting chance.

A couple things really have impressed me about Jay...first, major colleges only wanted him as a potential safety, he held his ground and went to the bottom feeder Vandy who gave him a shot at QB and he got that spot his freshman year.

Second, in the brutal SEC, he's virtually immune to adversity because he was playing with a bunch of Pee Wee Hermans against the meanest defenses in college. Bama, Georgia, LSU ect...

I'm not worried about Jay at all, except for a couple things...our OL might get him killed, and I hope he's not so used to losing he gets complacent. Hopefully, he's chomping at the bit like a good Bronco to get that first win.

I think he made real strides in the face of adversity and didn't panic last week. Shanahan can talk about his 4 wide but let's give the kid more than two seconds. In his first start with that stupid 3 step drop, he had to get the ball away before he could even set his back foot and was expected to make a hot read under two seconds. At least the gun lets him see the field and allows him to continue to adjust to Nalen's low ass if he's under center.

Another thing...I'm not a big OL expert, not fancy enough for me...but it looks like Nalen is starting to have problems keeping players from simply bowling him over. He was getting pushed back into Jay on those three step drops. I can't blame him, he's undersized always, and he's long in the tooth. I'm just saying he's dropped his level a little. Happens to every long term vet, even Rod Smith the Great.

We are going to be fine...

C'MON DEFENSE...HELP JAY GET HIS FIRST WIN THIS WEEK AND SHUT UP LEINART.

It was a slick move to get the Browncos, but it's not the real answer either. It's a stopgap like Jake was.

He was sacked four times during the 48-20 loss, but three came when the Broncos were in a four-receiver look. Those three included two hits from Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman that jarred the ball loose.


Great...How in the hell are you supposed to account for the Roidinator in that spread offense? Not to mention Lepis is MIA. At least chip his outside shoulder to take him off the edge with a TE.

We get someone similar that can bring it...honestly, I don't even care if the guy uses a designer juice they can't catch...JUST GET ME A GOD DAMN PASS RUSH...this is starting to get absurd. Hasslebeck was back there clipping his toenails and Jay was staring into the face of linemen before he could even get a read.

I'm working myself into a fit. Shanahan can talk about his 4 wide, but if another player tries to take out our franchise QB low and he goes down...I'm going to be royally pissed off.

bloodsunday
12-14-2006, 03:59 PM
Kudos to Mike Shanahan.

I rest easy knowing that we've got one of the best coaches in the league when it comes to the QB position.

Most coaches would have gone the safer route with a rookie back there only making his 2nd start against argueably the best 3-4 D in the league with premiere pass rushers.

But Shanahan knows QBs and he put Jay in the best situation for the kid by implementing a game plan to his strengths rather than just playing it safe. Putting in Scheff as well was great. It's these kind of things that let me know the rookie is in safe hands and won't lack great coaching.

I suppose that's the orange and blue view ;) I think its more like he wanted to win and felt that was the his best chance. You can't protect the kid when your in the middle of a playoff hunt -- otherwise you'll get BBQ'd for not leaving Plummer out there.

bloodsunday
12-14-2006, 04:01 PM
So then why many of us screaming about the lack of the shotgun in his first game? Now it's the norm? Nice spin job Shanny. Bill Clinton has nothing on you.

To give the benefit of the doubt, Shanny and Jay are still feeling each other out and Jay couldn't of come in against a more difficult schedule.
The move to Jay was supposed to "open up the playbook". The article does a great job outlining why the shot gun is not "opening up the playbook". This was more or less an admission by Shanny that his play book theory was incorrect. He still has a limited play book, just limited in different ways.

fontaine
12-14-2006, 05:04 PM
I suppose that's the orange and blue view ;) I think its more like he wanted to win and felt that was the his best chance. You can't protect the kid when your in the middle of a playoff hunt -- otherwise you'll get BBQ'd for not leaving Plummer out there.

Then why didn't they go to a whole bunch of spread formations and a lot of shotguns in the Seattle game?

Trust me, Shanahan knows how to get the best of out QBs. The turned Jake the Mistake into a winning QB until Jake crumbled in the pocket this year.