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broncosteven
12-10-2006, 08:36 PM
Anyone else notice Jake pumping team up on sidelines?

I think he is contributing more to this team leading from the sidelines than being out on the field.

I thought after the benching that Denver should cut him loose as bad feelings would cause trouble in locker room but if he is this positive on sidelines then maybe I am wrong.

I am really impressed with his attitude! Way to go Jake!

Rascal
12-10-2006, 08:40 PM
Jake has shown a ton of class in this situation, and this game also showed that he was not the biggest problem our team has. He has been a great team player, and is an awesome locker room presence and a great team leader. I doubt he sticks around next year as he undoubtedly could start for several teams IMO. Wherever he goes I wish him the best of luck.

Kaylore
12-10-2006, 08:43 PM
I agree. We might have the best backup QB in the league.

BlaK-Argentina
12-10-2006, 08:45 PM
I wanted to post the same thing. I was extremely happy to see Jake pumping up the team and helping Jay.

He's all class. I wish him the best.

Thanks for everything Jake!

SprintRightOption
12-10-2006, 08:49 PM
I don't know about heart. Only a complete douchebag would act like a brat in this situation. Maybe someone like Ryan Leaf. The guys in the locker room like Jake and he's always been a good person. I would expect nothing less that him supporting Jay and trying to help however he could.

You thinking he should be cut because of bad feelings says more about your blind dislike of Jake than it does anything about him.

2Times3233
12-10-2006, 08:50 PM
Jake is a class act.

He displayed the same class in Arizona where he had a legitimate right to be anything but supportive.

New coach every year, no help from the Bidwells, yet you never heard him complain or criticize.

What ever happens to him or where ever he winds up next season...unless he's playing the Broncos I'll pull for him.

He's won a lot of games for us.
I for one am thankful he wore a Broncos uniform.

Triplelefthook
12-10-2006, 08:54 PM
jake is a good teammate... and clearly will do anything for his teammates. but i don't think he cares at all about the fans. i will always root for my teams QBs because i am a homer...

but as far as i am concerned jake can flip his own fans off from the bench now and i hope he holds the football laces out for elam for the rest of the year then don't let the door hit you on the a$$ on the way out of town

Triple

broncosteven
12-10-2006, 09:04 PM
I don't know about heart. Only a complete douchebag would act like a brat in this situation. Maybe someone like Ryan Leaf. The guys in the locker room like Jake and he's always been a good person. I would expect nothing less that him supporting Jay and trying to help however he could.

You thinking he should be cut because of bad feelings says more about your blind dislike of Jake than it does anything about him.

You don't get it, Jake was not just pumping up Jay, He was over pumping up the D when they came off the field as well as the Offense.

I don't blindly dislike Jake, he was too erratic for me, one good year followed by bad year followed by good year, followed by bad year. I did not base all my criticism off this year with Jake. He has had time to get better & didn't. It was time to move on before we lost next year also.

I applaud Jake for trying to be there for his team even after getting benched.

milehimike
12-10-2006, 09:06 PM
I wanted to post the same thing. I was extremely happy to see Jake pumping up the team and helping Jay.

He's all class. I wish him the best.

Thanks for everything Jake!My feelings to the letter.

SprintRightOption
12-10-2006, 09:31 PM
You don't get it, Jake was not just pumping up Jay, He was over pumping up the D when they came off the field as well as the Offense.

I don't blindly dislike Jake, he was too erratic for me, one good year followed by bad year followed by good year, followed by bad year. I did not base all my criticism off this year with Jake. He has had time to get better & didn't. It was time to move on before we lost next year also.

I applaud Jake for trying to be there for his team even after getting benched.

I get it, how magnanimous of you to damn Jake with faint praise: "wow, Jake is not acting like a spoiled child on the sideline. He hasn't shot his neighbor's dog either. He has more heart than I thought!" I knew exactly what he was doing on the sidelines. That is what any good teammate would do, especially one who is a team leader. Bledsoe is doing the same things in Dallas according to local radio interviews, and so is Kurt Warner in AZ. Your surprise that Jake didn't become a cancer and need to be cut shows your estimation of him.

That and your idiot takes the last 2 games about Jake throwing 3 picks per game or your cutsie idea during the NE gamethread to chart what happened on 3rd downs. After starting out 0 for 2, Jake started converting a bunch of 3rd downs and you disappeared and refused to give any credit. That's the same "blind dislike" that I commented on in this thread.

smalltowngrll
12-10-2006, 09:40 PM
Jake on the sidelines shows me that he has more of an impact on this team than any of us really knows. If he's in there pumping up his teammates, that shows me that this change out was equally as difficult for the rest of the team as it was for Jake. It shows me that Jake is still a leader for this team!

Raiders Rock
12-10-2006, 09:49 PM
Jake is laughing at you all now, showing every last one of you Jake haters that it was not him....

The Curse Of Jake will follow your team for a long time now

You have been warned

Taco John
12-10-2006, 09:55 PM
Jake is laughing at you all now, showing every last one of you Jake haters that it was not him....

The Curse Of Jake will follow your team for a long time now

You have been warned



I doubt it has nearly the grip that the Curse of Shanahan has had on your team. Al should really just pay up.

Taco John
12-10-2006, 09:58 PM
I never thought Jake was a bad guy, or doubted his heart. I just thought he was a sub-par quarterback who wasn't going to be able to get it done in the playoffs.

orinjkrush
12-10-2006, 10:00 PM
turns out shanny did jake a big favor this year. think about it.

Rascal
12-10-2006, 10:04 PM
I really hope we can trade him instead of just having to cut him.

epicSocialism4tw
12-10-2006, 10:15 PM
It's really gonna suck when Jake gets cut and ends up in Oakland.

Taco John
12-10-2006, 10:18 PM
It's really gonna suck when Jake gets cut and ends up in Oakland.



Are you talking about for him?

SprintRightOption
12-10-2006, 10:29 PM
It's really gonna suck when Jake gets cut and ends up in Oakland.

They supposedly really like Walter, so Jake would only be a backup there. I just hope he doesn't go somewhere else and suddenly become substantially better than he was here, like Delta O'neal, Monte Reagor, Bertrand Berry, Tory James, Eddie Kennison, etc. That pisses me off.

Rigs11
12-10-2006, 10:32 PM
They supposedly really like Walter, so Jake would only be a backup there. I just hope he doesn't go somewhere else and suddenly become substantially better than he was here, like Delta O'neal, Monte Reagor, Bertrand Berry, Tory James, Eddie Kennison, etc. That pisses me off.

Strange huh? I wonder how much longer shanny has here?

SprintRightOption
12-10-2006, 10:41 PM
Strange huh? I wonder how much longer shanny has here?

WHAT?! I don't fault shanahan for that. Most of those guys are defensive, I fault coyer and Rhodes and their schemes for that. The offensive guys in that situation can't seem to thrive in a WCO or a place with lots of high character guys (people like Delta and Tory James). It just sucks when suddenly they find some potential in their ass after they show nothing here. Screw em.

Rigs11
12-10-2006, 10:49 PM
WHAT?! I don't fault shanahan for that. Most of those guys are defensive, I fault coyer and Rhodes and their schemes for that. The offensive guys in that situation can't seem to thrive in a WCO or a place with lots of high character guys (people like Delta and Tory James). It just sucks when suddenly they find some potential in their ass after they show nothing here. Screw em.

How many Qb's does he have to go through before we realize he is no longer a "mastermind"?His playcalling stinks. 3rd and 2 and he calls a pass play?

Man-Goblin
12-10-2006, 10:50 PM
Couldn't agree more. Jake has been awesome throughout the transition.

loborugger
12-10-2006, 11:01 PM
Anyone who wants to get down on Jake by saying, "well thats what he is supposed to do", oughta take into account Bledsoe's character on the sidelines in Dallas. He looks even more listless on the sidelines than under center. Props to Jake. I hope he stays here although I doubt he will.

Oh, and there is no way he would go to Oakland. They only prerequisite to being a Raider QB is to have a cannon for an arm. See Jeff George. The only aberation I can think of to this rule was Gannon during the Chuckie regime.

loborugger
12-10-2006, 11:03 PM
How many Qb's does he have to go through before we realize he is no longer a "mastermind"?His playcalling stinks. 3rd and 2 and he calls a pass play?


You have noticed that we cant run anymore when we need to, right? If we try and run on 3rd and 2, we get crushed. Our running only seems to work now on downs like 1st and 10 - where the play can go either way.

Rigs11
12-10-2006, 11:11 PM
You have noticed that we cant run anymore when we need to, right? If we try and run on 3rd and 2, we get crushed. Our running only seems to work now on downs like 1st and 10 - where the play can go either way.

Well if we can't pick up 2 yards on on 2 downs then why are they even playing?

loborugger
12-10-2006, 11:12 PM
You are correct. Lets surrender. Call up AZ, SF, and Cincy and phone in our forfeit.

Seriously - what is your point?

Rigs11
12-10-2006, 11:15 PM
You are correct. Lets surrender. Call up AZ, SF, and Cincy and phone in our forfeit.

Seriously - what is your point?

Shanny sucks. Pay attention.:welcome:

loborugger
12-10-2006, 11:21 PM
And who, NostraRigsAs, would you replace him with?

Rigs11
12-10-2006, 11:24 PM
And who, NostraRigsAs, would you replace him with?

Nostradamus foretold the future. Shanny sucks right now.I would of loved to have Kubiak as a head coach. Maybe Gruden.

Crushaholic
12-10-2006, 11:26 PM
Plummer showed the leadership he had all along. Even as his confidence went down, the locker room never gave up on him until Shanahan did.

loborugger
12-10-2006, 11:29 PM
Nostradamus foretold the future. Shanny sucks right now.I would of loved to have Kubiak as a head coach. Maybe Gruden.

I bet I could find thousands of Bucs fans (provided they still have that many left) that would be willing to give you Chuckie. What are they, 3-10? Havent had a whiff of success since the Raider beat down. I imagine you would find that those same TB fans would be willing to take Shanny for Chuckie, straight up, and feel like they got the better end of the deal.

And lets see what Kubes does with the reigns in his hands for a few years before we get all fired up about that.

Rigs11
12-10-2006, 11:32 PM
I bet I could find thousands of Bucs fans (provided they still have that many left) that would be willing to give you Chuckie. What are they, 3-10? Havent had a whiff of success since the Raider beat down. I imagine you would find that those same TB fans would be willing to take Shanny for Chuckie, straight up, and feel like they got the better end of the deal.

And lets see what Kubes does with the reigns in his hands for a few years before we get all fired up about that.

Sometimes change is good.Coaches get fired all the time.When was the last time shanny had success? 98?

loborugger
12-10-2006, 11:33 PM
Whatever. Knock yourself out replacing Shanny, NostraBowlenAs.

Popps
12-10-2006, 11:42 PM
Haven't read this thread at all. I'm sure people are probably ****ting on the guy who won so many games with this team.

But, it's no surprise to me that he's taking this in stride and remaining a good teammate and attempting to provide leadership.

It shouldn't surprise anyone.

broncos love
12-11-2006, 12:11 AM
Hell, if I was jake I would be happy as hell to; on the sidelines, no pressure and getting paid like a champ.

Jason in LA
12-11-2006, 12:11 PM
I was on the sidelines, and Jake was supporting the team. I only saw him a couple of times. After a 3rd quarter touchdown he went down the bench giving the guys five and giving them words of encouragement. I didn't see him with Cutler, but I wasn't really paying that much attention.

I'll post the shots later this afternoon.

ludo21
12-11-2006, 12:14 PM
I was on the sidelines, and Jake was supporting the team. I only saw him a couple of times. After a 3rd quarter touchdown he went down the bench giving the guys five and giving them words of encouragement. I didn't see him with Cutler, but I wasn't really paying that much attention.

I'll post the shots later this afternoon.

You were to busy hanging with the cheerleaders :~ohyah!:

Post that shot of us man :thumbs:

Bronco Bob
12-11-2006, 12:16 PM
Nostradamus foretold the future. Shanny sucks right now.I would of loved to have Kubiak as a head coach. Maybe Gruden.

Because Gruden is doing such a great job in Tampa?

Bronco Bob
12-11-2006, 12:19 PM
Sometimes change is good.Coaches get fired all the time.When was the last time shanny had success? 98?

2005. Unless you think that winning a Super Bowl every year is
a measure of success. In which case Parcells, Belechick,
Billick, Cowhers, and Holmgren are all failures.

Bob's your Information Minister
12-11-2006, 12:24 PM
Jake Plummer : Denver's highest-paid cheerleader!

SoonerBronco
12-11-2006, 12:28 PM
Jake Plummer : Denver's highest-paid cheerleader!

Boob: The Orangemane's lowest paid, basement dwelling, mother obsessing, camaro loving, piece of monkey poo!

Jason in LA
12-11-2006, 12:34 PM
You were to busy hanging with the cheerleaders :~ohyah!:

Post that shot of us man :thumbs:

Yeah, I spent a good amount of time with the cheerleaders. I did get a chance to get a few shots of the game.

Smiling Assassin27
12-11-2006, 12:41 PM
Jake is the picture of class. Give him props for leading to the bitter end, even leading the guy who's supposed to be the on-field leader of the team--the rookie qb. That quality about jake is what separated him from cutler, IMO.

toad
12-11-2006, 12:44 PM
Other than the "bird" incident a few years ago, I've always thought Plummer was a classy individual...and he's still showing it from the sidelines.

To flip-flop it, though, he nearly has to...he's already in, so to speak, job interview mode.

broncosteven
12-11-2006, 04:05 PM
I get it, how magnanimous of you to damn Jake with faint praise: "wow, Jake is not acting like a spoiled child on the sideline. He hasn't shot his neighbor's dog either. He has more heart than I thought!" I knew exactly what he was doing on the sidelines. That is what any good teammate would do, especially one who is a team leader. Bledsoe is doing the same things in Dallas according to local radio interviews, and so is Kurt Warner in AZ. Your surprise that Jake didn't become a cancer and need to be cut shows your estimation of him.

That and your idiot takes the last 2 games about Jake throwing 3 picks per game or your cutsie idea during the NE gamethread to chart what happened on 3rd downs. After starting out 0 for 2, Jake started converting a bunch of 3rd downs and you disappeared and refused to give any credit. That's the same "blind dislike" that I commented on in this thread.

So who threw all those pics? How many games did Denver have their Starting QB Turn the ball over on the opening drive of the game? I honestly felt that Denver was going to work out of a -2 hole in TO ratio every game with Plummer under center. That game I felt he was good for 3 picks, I was wrong, he threw 2 & had one caught out of bounds. The mans time was done here as a Starter. I am glad he has found a way to contribute to this team.

The NE game was not the 1st time or only time I tracked the 3rd down conversions in a game thread. This team was terrible on 3rd down during that run, When they got better I stopped. I don't think I pinned it ALL on Jake, there were bad run plays in there also bud.

Look at the improvement so far based on 2 games:

Quarterback Passing
Player Team G Att Att/G Cmp Pct Yds Yds/G Lng TDs Int Sck SckY Rate

Jay Cutler DEN 2 51 25.5 27 52.9 331 165.5 71 4 2 7 44 83.0

Jake Plummer DEN 13 315 24.2 175 55.6 1994 153.4 83 11 12 17 108 70.5

The only downward trend is the Completion % but I believe Cutler will be closer or over Plummers 55% next week. To blindly root for a 70.5 rated 10 year QB Vet who cannot throw more TD's than INT's is a hard thing for me to do.

Circle Orange
12-11-2006, 05:26 PM
Anyone who wants to get down on Jake by saying, "well thats what he is supposed to do", oughta take into account Bledsoe's character on the sidelines in Dallas. He looks even more listless on the sidelines than under center. Props to Jake. I hope he stays here although I doubt he will.

Oh, and there is no way he would go to Oakland. They only prerequisite to being a Raider QB is to have a cannon for an arm. See Jeff George. The only aberation I can think of to this rule was Gannon during the Chuckie regime.

In a way you've gotta feel bad for Drew...he's like the modern version of Steve DeBerg with more talent. He gets booted from the lineup for so called franchise qbs...I dunno, his career has always been off kilter somehow. And different people react differently. I don't read too much into appearances on the sidelines, often that doesn't mean much. I see nfl games all the time where the losing team has players laughing on the sidelines. http://scosoft.com/s/l/2043c5d0.gif

orange 4 life
12-11-2006, 07:52 PM
Anyone else notice Jake pumping team up on sidelines?

I think he is contributing more to this team leading from the sidelines than being out on the field.

I thought after the benching that Denver should cut him loose as bad feelings would cause trouble in locker room but if he is this positive on sidelines then maybe I am wrong.

I am really impressed with his attitude! Way to go Jake!

he's a class act all the way.
im surprised you thought he'd react any differently.

granted, there arent many modern day athletes that would handle it the way he did, but jake has NEVER EVEN ONCE passed the buck and placed blame. he's manned up after every loss and taken responsibility, even when he probably shouldnt have.
no one thats ever played with him has had a bad word to say about him.

he's just not the kind of guy who's gonna quit on his team.
until he's no longer a member of the broncos, he's gonna support his guys every step of the way, and fortunately for us and cutler, he's also gonna be there as a mentor for the rook.

broncosteven
12-11-2006, 09:26 PM
he's a class act all the way.
im surprised you thought he'd react any differently.

granted, there arent many modern day athletes that would handle it the way he did, but jake has NEVER EVEN ONCE passed the buck and placed blame. he's manned up after every loss and taken responsibility, even when he probably shouldnt have.
no one thats ever played with him has had a bad word to say about him.

he's just not the kind of guy who's gonna quit on his team.
until he's no longer a member of the broncos, he's gonna support his guys every step of the way, and fortunately for us and cutler, he's also gonna be there as a mentor for the rook.

For the record People, I am not surprised that he is supportive of the team. I am surprised that he would go over to the D & pump them up etc...

I always thought he had heart & have posted as much. Too bad that is all I felt he had besides mobility. I wish him luck in future endevors with other teams. I still do know if I like him as a BU option.

I give him props for going beyond his duties & doing all he can to help the team win though. He is a Man among Men & what this rebuilding team needs.

loborugger
12-11-2006, 10:48 PM
In a way you've gotta feel bad for Drew...he's like the modern version of Steve DeBerg with more talent. He gets booted from the lineup for so called franchise qbs...I dunno, his career has always been off kilter somehow. And different people react differently. I don't read too much into appearances on the sidelines, often that doesn't mean much. I see nfl games all the time where the losing team has players laughing on the sidelines. http://scosoft.com/s/l/2043c5d0.gif

Ya, I guess so - but I think was specifically thinking of Jake's facial expressions vs Drew's facial expressions.

BigPlayShay
12-12-2006, 01:50 AM
9NEWS tonight said Jake gave a half time speech to try and rally the guys. Lasted for about a QTR I guess.

Pretty cool if it is true. He is still a captain of the team, and is still showing his leadership after losing his job. Jake will forever have my respect, and I will always be a fan of his.

epicSocialism4tw
12-12-2006, 10:23 AM
9NEWS tonight said Jake gave a half time speech to try and rally the guys. Lasted for about a QTR I guess.

Pretty cool if it is true. He is still a captain of the team, and is still showing his leadership after losing his job. Jake will forever have my respect, and I will always be a fan of his.

Jake is a stand up guy, and always has been.

It embarrasses me that I can be included in a group of fans that collectively alienated a player like him when he contributed so much to a winning team. I think that we are now going to have to learn the hard way of how to appreciate those types of players while they are here, and to let them go when they are gone.

epicSocialism4tw
12-12-2006, 10:28 AM
Jake is the picture of class. Give him props for leading to the bitter end, even leading the guy who's supposed to be the on-field leader of the team--the rookie qb. That quality about jake is what separated him from cutler, IMO.

That's a good question, SA27. Will Jay have the leadership ability that Jake does? It's hard to say. He's still apprehensive. I think that Jake's presence might have an influence on that situation, in which case we might not see Jay as a team leader for a couple of seasons.

That situation will be a little different than what we've been used to with Jake at the helm.

Circle Orange
12-12-2006, 12:16 PM
Whatever. Knock yourself out replacing Shanny, NostraBowlenAs.

How about Marty Morning-Wig? LOL

boltssbbound
12-12-2006, 01:05 PM
Give Jake some pom poms and whore him a bit and he can join the rest of the fugly Donk cheerleaders.

Jake's a crappy QB. That's all that really matters.

orange 4 life
12-12-2006, 01:43 PM
9NEWS tonight said Jake gave a half time speech to try and rally the guys. Lasted for about a QTR I guess.

Pretty cool if it is true. He is still a captain of the team, and is still showing his leadership after losing his job. Jake will forever have my respect, and I will always be a fan of his.

...and for anyone that thought plummers attitude was merely a result of him being on "early auditions", a halftime speech kinda squashes that theory, since the cameras werent there to see it.

bottom line is the guy is a gamer, a winner, and a leader.
whether or not you liked his play on the field, EVERY bronco fan should appreciate the heart and guts with which he played, and with which he STILL is standing up and showing as a leader of this team.

there's a jersey, like eddie mac, TD, howard griffith, etc. that ill be proud to wear long after he's gone.
my sis' lelie jersey will never see the light of day again, but plummer is a guy we should appreciate even once he's moved on.

jake

Popps
12-12-2006, 01:46 PM
Give Jake some pom poms and whore him a bit and he can join the rest of the fugly Donk cheerleaders.

Jake's a crappy QB. That's all that really matters.

Oh, look... someone else discovered they have a football team down in San Diego.

Here, don't say I never did anything for you...


http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0764539361.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

orange 4 life
12-12-2006, 01:48 PM
That's a good question, SA27. Will Jay have the leadership ability that Jake does? It's hard to say. He's still apprehensive. I think that Jake's presence might have an influence on that situation, in which case we might not see Jay as a team leader for a couple of seasons.

That situation will be a little different than what we've been used to with Jake at the helm.

this is what scares me the most.

i hear alot of people talk about cutlers "poise", though i gotta admit it could just as easily be indifference.
it could just as easily be an early indication that he may have a similar personality to a guy like brian griese.
hopefully not, because i think the qb position on this team NEEDS to be a charismatic leader.
obviously its too soon to tell much yet, so here's to hoping that plummer will be a good mentor to the kid.

boltssbbound
12-12-2006, 01:55 PM
Oh, look... someone else discovered they have a football team down in San Diego.

Here, don't say I never did anything for you...


http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0764539361.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Congratulations on learning how to post a picture. That must have been a challenge.

I've forgotten more about football in my 30 years on this Earth than most of you Donk fans will ever know. And I've only been a Charger fan since birth. Just another Johnnie Come Lately who had season tix for the glorious Craig Welihan/Ryan Leaf/Jim Harbaugh era.

Spider
12-12-2006, 01:56 PM
Jake is a stand up guy, and always has been.

It embarrasses me that I can be included in a group of fans that collectively alienated a player like him when he contributed so much to a winning team. I think that we are now going to have to learn the hard way of how to appreciate those types of players while they are here, and to let them go when they are gone.

It is more then that , I supported plummer gave him every chance , faught with Cards fan when Jake first came here , but there comes a time when you can see a guy will only take you so far , this doesnt take away what Plummer has done in Denver , but it is time to go in a new direction , I have always said , with Plummer you take the good with the Bad , he will give you both , Cutler on the other hand doesnt seem to do this ...........
This reminds me so much of the DeBerg Elway hoopla . only Elway didnt look as good as Cutler did , but in Elways defense , Elway had a Head Coach named Reeves that didnt want Elway in Denver in the first place ............

Spider
12-12-2006, 01:57 PM
Congratulations on learning how to post a picture. That must have been a challenge.

I've forgotten more about football in my 30 years on this Earth than most of you Donk fans will ever know. And I've only been a Charger fan since birth. Just another Johnnie Come Lately who had season tix for the glorious Craig Welihan/Ryan Leaf/Jim Harbaugh era.

LOL , Special ed bastard

jonny1
12-12-2006, 01:59 PM
this is what scares me the most.

i hear alot of people talk about cutlers "poise", though i gotta admit it could just as easily be indifference.
it could just as easily be an early indication that he may have a similar personality to a guy like brian griese.
hopefully not, because i think the qb position on this team NEEDS to be a charismatic leader.
obviously its too soon to tell much yet, so here's to hoping that plummer will be a good mentor to the kid.

All indications from his teammates at Vanderbilt are that Cutler is someone that they would follow into any battle.

He is a guy who pulled his own dislocated finger back into place in the huddle so that he wouldn't miss a play.

I think he has that calmness in the midst of chaos that a good QB needs.

BigPlayShay
12-12-2006, 02:08 PM
I don't question Jay's fire for one second. After consistenly getting beat in college, he still came back to fight and take some pretty good teams to the wire. Also, don't forget that his compettitve spirit led hi to work out at the combine when he could have done what Young and Lienart did.

Billy Clyde Puckett
12-12-2006, 03:57 PM
Congratulations on learning how to post a picture. That must have been a challenge.

I've forgotten more about football in my 30 years on this Earth than most of you Donk fans will ever know. And I've only been a Charger fan since birth. Just another Johnnie Come Lately who had season tix for the glorious Craig Welihan/Ryan Leaf/Jim Harbaugh era.

From a guy who is proud to live in a suburb of Tijuana

Raiders Rock
12-31-2006, 09:44 PM
Once again, the curse of Jake strikes