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RhymesayersDU
12-08-2006, 04:54 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6252024?FSO1&ATT=HMA

Report: Iverson wants out of Philly
FOXSports.com
Posted: 2 minutes ago

Allen Iverson and the Philadelphia 76ers have put up with each other, through good times and bad, for the last decade.

But that could be coming to an end very soon. According to a report on the New York Post's website, Iverson has demanded a trade.

Citing two agents whose clients play for the 76ers, the Post report said Iverson went to team president Billy King last Tuesday and made the demand, even though he'd said throughout his career that he'd never do such a thing.

The Post also cites two general managers that King contacted on Thursday, who claim the 76ers are aggressively trying to accommodate Iverson's request.

The 76ers have lost five straight to fall to 5-12 on the season. And even though that mark leaves them just a game-and-a-half out of first place in the woeful Atlantic Division, Iverson has grown increasingly frustrated with the team's situation.

Particularly its head coach.

The Post report quotes an unnamed agent who said Iverson told King he likes Maurice Cheeks as a person, "but not as a coach."

Iverson's stretch in Philly has seen highs — most notably an appearance in the 2001 NBA Finals and an MVP season in 2000-01.

But it has also been characterized by clashes with 76ers management. Iverson was suspended during the 2003-04 season for missing practice, leading to the infamous "We're talking about practice" press conference. Iverson also was benched for last year's season finale after showing up late for fan appreciation night.

Interesting. If this is true, I wonder where he goes?

Dudeskey
12-08-2006, 05:17 PM
Denver, dump Miller

Casper Bronco
12-08-2006, 08:11 PM
They can't do this to us again. It's not fair if he doesn't end up in Denver.

Clockwork Orange
12-08-2006, 09:03 PM
Iverson to Denver makes a lot of sense for a lot of reasons.

1. Carmelo would love it. He's been quoted recently as saying how much he enjoyed being a teammate of Iverson's at the 2004 Olympics. The two of them are friends and it certainly doesn't hurt to keep your franchise player happy.

2. From a business standpoint, it'd be huge for the Nuggets. Think of how many tickets and powder blue Iverson jerseys they'd sell. The buzz that a move like this would create would be massive. It would also show that the current front office is capable of getting a big deal done, unlike the last regime.

3. Having two players out there who can drop 30+ per night does not suck.

Do the Nuggets have the pieces to make this deal happen? Who knows? I refuse to get my hopes up at all for this to happen just because I've been burned enough times by them almost getting blockbuster deals done that I won't allow it to happen again.

I'm all for it, though.

24champ
12-08-2006, 09:40 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6252024?FSO1&ATT=HMA



Interesting. If this is true, I wonder where he goes?

Im not a Nugget fan by any means but Denver is the best possible choice for the Sixers and AI. However does the Nuggets owner want to cough up the dough?

Orange_Beard
12-08-2006, 10:56 PM
The owner has the money and will spend it. Stan Kronke will spend cash.
The real problem is do the Nugs have anything to give for AI?

I sure hope that they can come up with something.

theAPAOps5
12-08-2006, 11:05 PM
Well one of the Chairmans of Philly told ESPNs Lisa Saulter that Iverson did demand a trade, that they will accomodate that, and when asked if Iverson played his last game for Philly he said most likely.

As for the Nuggets who can we give up? Nene and Miller were rumored this summer for him but does Philly want a player with an injury track record? Do we give up a trade pick we have? What about money and the luxury tax?

Worst case scenario would be Minnesota getting him as we would have to play him a lot more.

spdirty
12-08-2006, 11:06 PM
give em Miller, Nene, and KMart. Hell, throw in one of next years first rounders if that doesnt do the trick as well. Itd free up more than enought salary to pay the man.

theAPAOps5
12-08-2006, 11:12 PM
Except Phily would then be strapped with way more salary then what they are dealing away. No way they take all that with out us paying concessions.

Rascal
12-09-2006, 12:55 AM
Miller, next years first, and 2008 second.

Throw in Kmart if they will take the POS.

Rascal
12-09-2006, 12:57 AM
Where will Iverson be traded to?By David Aldridge
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
Well, we knew it would happen sooner or later, so now is as good a time as any.

We told you on draft night in June that Allen Iverson wouldn't make it through the season with the 76ers. And now, the fuse has been lit. It's just a matter of when it goes off, and we can all get on with our basketball lives.

Does it really matter if it's Iverson who's stoking the fire, as the New York Post reported yesterday, or if it's Billy King serving as the catalyst? Iverson's asked to be traded before, and King's tried to accommodate him before. Last time, it was King instigating trade talks and Iverson reacting.

Bottom line: We're back to where we've been a half dozen or so times in the last few years.

At least there's a potential market for Iverson, small as it may be. There is no interest anywhere in taking on the last 19 months and $43 million of Chris Webber's deal.

"No one's taking Webber," an Eastern Conference coach said yesterday.

So, Iverson. We're way, way past the point of equal value; this is a salvage operation from here on out. Where can King turn? Here's where he's likely placing calls:

1. Denver: This nearly happened in February, when the Sixers almost pulled the trigger on a deal that would have sent Iverson to the Nuggets for a package including Kenyon Martin. King denied that any talks with Denver got serious, blaming loose lips on the Nuggets.

Believe whomever you want.

But the Nuggets still have interest. With Martin shelved for the rest of the season, Carmelo Anthony is seeking a true second scoring option. Yes, J.R. Smith has been better than advertised, but George Karl, who's coached the likes of Gary Payton and Anthony Mason over the years, won't be intimidated by Iverson, and he is intrigued by playing his high-octane style with Iverson and Anthony flying up and down the court.

The Denver package would almost certainly include guard Andre Miller - whom the Sixers don't especially like, but desperation makes for strange conversions - and either of two veteran forwards, Eduardo Najera or Joe Smith. To make the deal work cap-wise, Philly would have to take a body or two from the pile of Julius Hodge, DerMarr Johnson or Jamal Sampson.

They're talking.

2. Boston: You all know how close things got around the draft, when the Sixers, Celtics and Jazz nearly pulled off a three-way deal that would have sent Iverson to Beantown, Carlos Boozer (and Boston's first-round pick) to Philly, and Wally Szczerbiak to the Jazz. Discussions have cooled considerably since then, with the Sixers still reluctant to move Iverson within the division and Utah certainly no longer taking calls about Boozer.

Without a third team, however, a deal with Boston is far less likely. Boston's not trading Paul Pierce, and the Sixers aren't much interested in Szczerbiak. The Celtics aren't wedded to all of their young players (Gerald Green and Delonte West are the current untouchables, with rookie Rajon Rondo an almost), but they no longer have contracts with enough loot to make a one-on-one deal possible.

That could change if Philly could coerce a team like, say, Minnesota to get involved along with Boston. (No, not for Kevin Garnett; think Ricky Davis and Mark Blount.)

They've talked. They'll probably talk again.

3. Indiana: The disappointing Pacers are looking to shake things up, and Larry Bird has always been an Iverson fan. The question, though, is whether Indiana, reeling from numerous public relations disasters involving its players, can bring A.I. to town. If they answer yes, they'd want to keep Jermaine O'Neal (otherwise, what's the point of the deal?), so the trade would have to involve point guard Jamaal Tinsley. The Sixers would certainly also ask for rebounding machine Jeff Foster. But would the Pacers also part with second-year forward Danny Granger or Marquis Daniels, the former Maverick?

Hear they're talking, but don't know how seriously.

4. Memphis: Any trade talks involving the Grizzlies have been on hold - at least that's what Jerry West has been saying - while the majority interest in the team was being pursued by former Duke player Brian Davis' group.

But it looks as if the Davis purchase may come a cropper, with the league taking the unusual step of publicly rebuking Davis last week for not providing all of the financial information the league needs to consider his bid.

If the faucet is eventually turned back on, the Grizzlies - 28th in the league in attendance through Thursday, at just more than 15,400 per game - desperately need someone who can fill FedEx Forum on a more regular basis.

5. Sacramento: A long shot, but if the Kings really are shopping Mike Bibby (not for Iverson, just shopping him), you have to give them a call.

6-30. Atlanta, Golden State, Indiana, blah, blah, blah: We don't see another player out there now, but it takes only one phone call to change that.


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Contact columnist David Aldridge at 215-854-5516 or daldridge@phillynews.com.

theAPAOps5
12-09-2006, 01:27 AM
George Karl told reporters tonight that Denver is not entering the Iverson sweepstakes. How much that is true remains to be seen but he seemed to make it clear they were putting the kabosh on any rumors.

Jens1893
12-09-2006, 02:00 AM
This guy speculates (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/6249498) it would take Miller, Smith and a first to get AI ... and especially for Gonzo, he even mentions the Celtics!

Rascal
12-09-2006, 02:00 AM
Geesh. 37 points and counting for JR, and 32 for Melo. Miller has NINETEEN ASSISTS!!!

Rascal
12-09-2006, 02:03 AM
I wouldn't want to give up Miller, JR, and a first for him. Looks like we finally got a PG, let's don't trade him when he has so many years ahead and is just beginning to mature.

Jori
12-09-2006, 02:08 AM
A quote from Silent Stan on the ESPN broadcast saying that the Nuggets are interested in AI.

Rascal
12-09-2006, 02:10 AM
I just hope we don't give up JR.

Clockwork Orange
12-09-2006, 02:22 AM
They won't give up JR. They're not gonna pawn off a 21 year old shooter who is filling the role they've desperately needed for years.

Carmelo and JR are the only two I can see not being dangled in a possible deal. The only expiring contracts they have are Joe Smith and Eduardo Najera (combining for somewhere between $12-$13 million). Miller & Nene's contracts make it workable, but how much interest the 76ers have in those two is questionable. They couldn't give Kenyon away even if they wanted to. They have two 1st rounders in the coming draft (their own and the Mavs).

I guess it's just going to come down to which Western Conference team offers up the best package (I don't believe they have any intention of trading him within their Conference). Minnesota wants him, but they have less to offer than Denver. I've heard Dallas is interested. Golden State pursued him in the offseason. The Clippers have been after him in the past.

It's gonna be interesting to see how this all shakes out.

Hercules Rockefeller
12-09-2006, 02:25 AM
Estrat said they probably can't come up with a package that the Sixers would like

Clockwork Orange
12-09-2006, 02:41 AM
Estrat said they probably can't come up with a package that the Sixers would like

I saw that, but I wonder who is gonna pony up anything big for him.

Any team in the East that wants him will likely have to knock the 76ers socks off with a package.

I guess it'll all depend on who is actually interested and what his perceived value is. He's 31 and his trade demands are now very public. Still, he's putting up 30+ per night, so they won't be giving him away.

RhymesayersDU
12-09-2006, 11:39 AM
I think Minnesota maybe gets him.

Of course, I'm a huge Iverson mark. He's been my favorite player in the league since he entered, and is now only rivaled (and topped) by Carmelo. And CO hit it on the head. I'd have a jersey on order the day they made the pres conference.

But, as has been mentioned, I don't see how we get this done. K-Mart isn't an option anymore, unless Isiah is now running the 6ers. But, Kroenke last night on ESPN said he was interested, so who knows. Could you imagine somehow unloading Martin and getting AI in return? That would be a Christmas present.

But I think Minnesota could get them. I don't know how their salaries go, but they could get rid of Mike James, giving the 76ers somebody to fill AI's role, some draft picks, and maybe some expiring contracts. Again, I don't know their roster that well.

And I think that would end the "Is KG going to be traded? Does he want out?" discussion altogether.

I'm curious if AI stays in the East. I mean, are you really going to give him to a rival team? Perhaps. But we'll see. What I'm really interested in seeing is how quickly they get this done. Word out of Philly is that AI has played his last game... I don't know if I buy that. You're telling me they just whip up a huge mega-deal for a superstar with a huge contract over the weekend? I have a feeling this might go down to the trade deadline.. Or least the rest of this month.

spdirty
12-09-2006, 01:33 PM
If we could somehow get him without giving up JR and/or melo, we would be instant title contenders.

I'd have multiple orgasms if we could unload Kenyon in the process.

epicSocialism4tw
12-10-2006, 12:29 AM
Iverson wont be going to Minny:

Taylor Says Iverson Won't Come To Minnesota9th December, 2006 - 11:48 am
Pioneer Press -
Just because Kevin Garnett made a public plea for Minnesota to acquire Allen Iverson, doesn't mean it will happen.

"No trade," owner Glen Taylor said during the Wolves' 110-103 victory over Utah on Friday night at Target Center. "It isn't that I don't like him. Just money-wise, it wouldn't work out."

Jim Gray, reporter for ESPN, announced on the air that Iverson told him in a telephone interview Friday that he was heading to Minnesota. He came back on the air soon after to say that he had been "duped," admitting, "I was talking to an imposter."


Unfortunately, the word is that Cuban is a fan of Iverson's and that Iverson could be coming to Dallas. Ironically, the three players that have been mentioned in a package for Iverson didnt play tonight: Stackhouse, Anthony Johnson, and Croshere. Stack and Cro didnt even dress. Crikey.

Clockwork Orange
12-10-2006, 01:37 AM
The reports are conflicting from the Nuggets. George Karl says the Nuggets won't be trading for him, but Stan Kroenke says they're interested. Who knows?

I'm starting to think that Iverson may end up staying in the Eastern Conference after all. Plenty can (and likely will) happen between now and when he's actually dealt, but it looks like there's plenty more interest out east than in the west.

epicSocialism4tw
12-10-2006, 02:30 AM
The reports are conflicting from the Nuggets. George Karl says the Nuggets won't be trading for him, but Stan Kroenke says they're interested. Who knows?

I'm starting to think that Iverson may end up staying in the Eastern Conference after all. Plenty can (and likely will) happen between now and when he's actually dealt, but it looks like there's plenty more interest out east than in the west.


Yep. Cuban shot down the rumors before the Mavs/Nuggs tilt tonight with something to this effect: "We arent trading Devin Harris...and we arent interested in Iverson.

Boston, Atlanta, and Chicago have the assets to get it done.

I honestly dont see who would want to take him on for that gargantuan contract. He's 31, and he'll be reupping in a couple of years.

Jens1893
12-10-2006, 09:02 PM
ESPN is saying a trade is imminent and most likely will be completed in the next 48h.

rubaiyat
12-10-2006, 11:35 PM
I think Minnesota maybe gets him.

Of course, I'm a huge Iverson mark. He's been my favorite player in the league since he entered, and is now only rivaled (and topped) by Carmelo. And CO hit it on the head. I'd have a jersey on order the day they made the pres conference.

But, as has been mentioned, I don't see how we get this done. K-Mart isn't an option anymore, unless Isiah is now running the 6ers. But, Kroenke last night on ESPN said he was interested, so who knows. Could you imagine somehow unloading Martin and getting AI in return? That would be a Christmas present.

But I think Minnesota could get them. I don't know how their salaries go, but they could get rid of Mike James, giving the 76ers somebody to fill AI's role, some draft picks, and maybe some expiring contracts. Again, I don't know their roster that well.

And I think that would end the "Is KG going to be traded? Does he want out?" discussion altogether.

I'm curious if AI stays in the East. I mean, are you really going to give him to a rival team? Perhaps. But we'll see. What I'm really interested in seeing is how quickly they get this done. Word out of Philly is that AI has played his last game... I don't know if I buy that. You're telling me they just whip up a huge mega-deal for a superstar with a huge contract over the weekend? I have a feeling this might go down to the trade deadline.. Or least the rest of this month.



Seems like ownership wants this done early by Tuesday.

I don't think Kmart is useable. He's injured and I don't think you can move injured players.

GonzoLays
12-10-2006, 11:35 PM
The only real horses in the Iverson sweepstakes are Boston, Chicago and Charlotte imo.

Philadelphia is looking for two things:

1) Cap Space -- With Webber's deal coming off the books next season, that will free up about 20 million dollars. They are not looking to reload (Andre Miller, Nene) they are looking to get under the cap. Getting rid of Iverson (20 mill) for at least one big expiring contract is essential.

2) Young talent -- They want cheap, young talent to sell to their fanbase while they rebuild. Also, they want to make sure they continue to lose so they have the best opportunity to land the next big thing (Greg Oden). Even if the lotto balls don't fall their way, they still can get Durant or Noah. Not bad.

So who has what they want? Chicago, Boston, and Charlotte.

Boston could offer Theo Ratliff (deal expires with Webbers), Sebastian Telfair, Al Jefferson and Delonte West. Why would Philly do it? Because they get their cap space, young talent, and still remain in the hunt for the number one pick.

Picking up a guy like Andre Miller would be a lateral move for the franchise. They don't want to stay mediocre forever. They want to suck badly for two seasons, draft high in the next two drafts, and make a big splash in the free agent pool in 2008.

IMO, if Boston really wants Iverson -- and all indicators point to yes -- he is their's to lose.

The Truth Lies In The Answer!

theAPAOps5
12-10-2006, 11:38 PM
We aren't even in the sweepstakes anymore. GM Karl said he doesn't want Iverson right now because the team is finally developing a good chemistry and likes where they are at.

Funny how KMart goes out and this team grows more as a unit.

rubaiyat
12-10-2006, 11:40 PM
The only real horses in the Iverson sweepstakes are Boston, Chicago and Charlotte imo.

Philadelphia is looking for two things:

1) Cap Space -- With Webber's deal coming off the books next season, that will free up about 20 million dollars. They are not looking to reload (Andre Miller, Nene) they are looking to get under the cap. Getting rid of Iverson (20 mill) for at least one big expiring contract is essential.

2) Young talent -- They want cheap, young talent to sell to their fanbase while they rebuild. Also, they want to make sure they continue to lose so they have the best opportunity to land the next big thing (Greg Oden). Even if the lotto balls don't fall their way, they still can get Durant or Noah. Not bad.

So who has what they want? Chicago, Boston, and Charlotte.

Boston could offer Theo Ratliff (deal expires with Webbers), Sebastian Telfair, Al Jefferson and Delonte West. Why would Philly do it? Because they get their cap space, young talent, and still remain in the hunt for the number one pick.

Picking up a guy like Andre Miller would be a lateral move for the franchise. They don't want to stay mediocre forever. They want to suck badly for two seasons, draft high in the next two drafts, and make a big splash in the free agent pool in 2008.

IMO, if Boston really wants Iverson -- and all indicators point to yes -- he is their's to lose.

The Truth Lies In The Answer!


Charlotte can also do both. They are so far below the cap they needn't give anything significant back. Only young players...the question with them being if they want to.

rubaiyat
12-10-2006, 11:44 PM
We aren't even in the sweepstakes anymore. GM Karl said he doesn't want Iverson right now because the team is finally developing a good chemistry and likes where they are at.

Funny how KMart goes out and this team grows more as a unit.

KMart is a SF in a PF body. He has some range and definite mobility (when his knees still worked)...but he couldn't post up even in the East.

He was deadweight on the team. Capable of getting his by virtue of the minutes he played, but only at the expense of potentially better shots or more hustle (JR Smith and Reggie Evans just as an example).

I hope he can come back...if only so we can unload him in a year or two.

I think we are stuck with him though.

GonzoLays
12-11-2006, 01:05 PM
Charlotte can also do both. They are so far below the cap they needn't give anything significant back. Only young players...the question with them being if they want to.

The last I heard, Charlotte was 10 million under the cap. Currently, they are in first place for Greg Oden. There is no way they are going to offer their first round pick.

Considering AI makes 17.3 million dollars, Charlotte would have to offer Raymond Felton and Gerald Wallace for AI. Does that get it done? I don't know. If they sent AI packing for that, I really couldn't blame them.

GonzoLays
12-11-2006, 03:02 PM
According to ESPN, its down to Golden State and Boston. 11 AM PST MONDAY

WHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jens1893
12-11-2006, 03:12 PM
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http://slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/AI-1.jpg

GonzoLays
12-11-2006, 04:29 PM
http://slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/AI-2.jpg

http://slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/AI-1.jpg


WHOOOOO_HOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Man, I am seriously going to be disappointed if we don't land Iverson for A SECOND TIME despite being the supposed 'frontrunner' in the negotiations.

Don't **** with me, Danny Ainge.

GonzoLays
12-11-2006, 04:58 PM
Chris Brussard of ESPN just reported that the Mavericks (!) are now making a strong bid for Iverson.

AARRGGHHH!!!

GonzoLays
12-11-2006, 05:02 PM
Damn, and Dallas as the horses to do it too. Stackhouse and Croshere's expiring contracts plus Devin Harris and a couple of first round picks.

Dang.

That sucks.

Big time.

I'm depressed.

Plus, Billy King can send Iverson out west like he prefers. My only hope is that Devin Harris isn't enough to entice them. Devin Harris? He's okay, but hardly a guy that should be traded for one of the greatest players ever. Blah. This sucks.

epicSocialism4tw
12-11-2006, 05:18 PM
Damn, and Dallas as the horses to do it too. Stackhouse and Croshere's expiring contracts plus Devin Harris and a couple of first round picks.

Dang.

That sucks.

Big time.

I'm depressed.

Plus, Billy King can send Iverson out west like he prefers. My only hope is that Devin Harris isn't enough to entice them. Devin Harris? He's okay, but hardly a guy that should be traded for one of the greatest players ever. Blah. This sucks.

I hope that this is just speculation because I wouldnt want Iverson on the Mavs. He doesnt fit the team, and he is old with a massive contract. There are too many good players on the Mavs to bring in Iverson. They will never see the ball again.

I have always wanted a 'second fiddle' player to pair with Dirk because he hasnt had a second fiddle since Nash left, and he needs more help scoring when the team gets in a rut. In those dry spells, if Dirk doesnt bail them out then nobody does.

Cuban has already said that the Mavericks are not interested in Iverson and will not trade Devin Harris. He's usually pretty straight in these situations. He could be fibbing, who knows, but the Mavs could be interested in trading expiring contracts for Boston's young talent. I could definately see them getting involved in facilitating the trade by sending Croshere to Boston for someone like Delonte West.

watermock
12-11-2006, 08:17 PM
He's an over the hill idiot.

GonzoLays
12-11-2006, 09:12 PM
Breaking news: Orlando is the frontrunner for Iverson's services. They are offering Grant Hill (expiring contract), Jameer Nelson and Trevor Ariza.

****!

-Slap-
12-11-2006, 10:35 PM
I hope that this is just speculation because I wouldnt want Iverson on the Mavs. He doesnt fit the team, and he is old with a massive contract. There are too many good players on the Mavs to bring in Iverson. They will never see the ball again.

I have always wanted a 'second fiddle' player to pair with Dirk because he hasnt had a second fiddle since Nash left, and he needs more help scoring when the team gets in a rut. In those dry spells, if Dirk doesnt bail them out then nobody does.

AI has done really well sharing the spotlight with other superstars throughout his career.

:thumbsup:

GonzoLays
12-11-2006, 11:12 PM
AI has done really well sharing the spotlight with other superstars throughout his career.

:thumbsup:

AI has never played with another superstar before. What he has done is take one of the weakest squads to ever make the playoffs to the NBA finals. You remember that team, Eric Snow, Aaron Mckie, and Tyrone Hill were the starters. Jumaine Jones was sixth man.

spdirty
12-12-2006, 07:10 PM
950 The Fan reports from a "reliable source" that The Nuggets have offered JR Smith, Nene, and Eduardo Najera.

Im ordering my holiday package right now.

theAPAOps5
12-12-2006, 08:23 PM
NO J.R. Smith has too much to offer in the future. He is extremely raw and still excells. If the Nuggets are offering that up they are retarded IMO.

Hercules Rockefeller
12-12-2006, 08:44 PM
950 The Fan reports from a "reliable source" that The Nuggets have offered JR Smith, Nene, and Eduardo Najera.

Im ordering my holiday package right now.

and Mike Evans' source isn't even with either team, it's another reporter in Philly who claims that's what he's been told has been offered.

theAPAOps5
12-12-2006, 08:49 PM
and Mike Evans' source isn't even with either team, it's another reporter in Philly who claims that's what he's been told has been offered.

Yeah it was reported in an article in Philly today. I went researched it in ESPN Rumors. That is offering way too much for Iverson who is getting up there in age. J.R. shows what can come with more coaching. Nene if he can stay healthy is a force too. Eddie is a crowd favorite and hustle player. I just would not welcome giving up all 3 maybe 1 or those in a package or maybe 2 but thats me.

rubaiyat
12-12-2006, 08:51 PM
950 The Fan reports from a "reliable source" that The Nuggets have offered JR Smith, Nene, and Eduardo Najera.

Im ordering my holiday package right now.

Are you sure that's not Joe Smith?? I don't think that works under the CBA.

rubaiyat
12-12-2006, 09:02 PM
Yeah it was reported in an article in Philly today. I went researched it in ESPN Rumors. That is offering way too much for Iverson who is getting up there in age. J.R. shows what can come with more coaching. Nene if he can stay healthy is a force too. Eddie is a crowd favorite and hustle player. I just would not welcome giving up all 3 maybe 1 or those in a package or maybe 2 but thats me.

Come on Najera?

I see Nene as a young big...and JR certainly

I see it as two assets and a throwin for cap balancing and to clear some salary for next year.

I think it honestly the minimum you'd need to acquire Iverson...as we don't have a good draft pick.

Though honestly I'm not sold on it, and it bums me out cause it keeps KG off the market.

Master___Pain
12-12-2006, 09:12 PM
Come on Najera?

I see Nene as a young big...and JR certainly

I see it as two assets and a throwin for cap balancing and to clear some salary for next year.

I think it honestly the minimum you'd need to acquire Iverson...as we don't have a good draft pick.

Though honestly I'm not sold on it, and it bums me out cause it keeps KG off the market.

I would hate to trade JR but I could not care less about Nene or Eddie.

Nene may look like Tarzan but he plays like Jane. That contract is atrocious, the nuggs could have had Chris Wilcox with 2/3 of that contract at most.

Eddie being a crowd favorite is great, but Earl Boykins is also a fan favorite. That tells me all I need to know about fan favorites.

That trade would basically be JR for Alen Iverson. You do that trade all day, twice on Sundays.

What I don't like about that trade is the lack of bigman depth. Camby goes down and the Nuggs are uber screwed.

Master___Pain
12-12-2006, 09:15 PM
Sixers don't have any interest in Boykins do they?

Please

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 09:20 PM
950 The Fan reports from a "reliable source" that The Nuggets have offered JR Smith, Nene, and Eduardo Najera.

Im ordering my holiday package right now.

Philly is not taking on Nene's albatross of a contract unless Billy King is on crack.

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 09:22 PM
Sixers don't have any interest in Boykins do they?

Please

The Sixers have zero interest in taking back long money in a deal for Iverson. So unless a third team is involved, Denver stands a slim chance of landing him.

Master___Pain
12-12-2006, 09:25 PM
The Sixers have zero interest in taking back long money in a deal for Iverson. So unless a third team is involved, Denver stands a slim chance of landing him.

I was being facetious.

RhymesayersDU
12-12-2006, 09:25 PM
I don't see how Denver could offer any package that doesn't involve Andre Miller. That just doesn't make sense, unless they have a second deal in place.

They wouldn't try to play AI @ SG, would they?

Clockwork Orange
12-12-2006, 09:29 PM
They wouldn't try to play AI @ SG, would they?

Of course not. His latest rift with his head coach started because Cheeks wanted the other AI to bring the ball up the floor instead of him. You think that he's gonna be allright with going somewhere that he's not going to be running the point? No chance.

That rumor is a bunch of bunk.

Rascal
12-12-2006, 09:30 PM
950 The Fan reports from a "reliable source" that The Nuggets have offered JR Smith, Nene, and Eduardo Najera.



Why would they not trade Andre Miller? That doesn't make any sense.

And if they trade JR Smith I'm going to go ballistic. We finally get an outside shooter and we are going to trade them away? A young one at that to play for years next to Melo.

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 09:30 PM
I was being facetious.

I was actually referring to this post:

I would hate to trade JR but I could not care less about Nene or Eddie.

Nene may look like Tarzan but he plays like Jane. That contract is atrocious, the nuggs could have had Chris Wilcox with 2/3 of that contract at most.

Eddie being a crowd favorite is great, but Earl Boykins is also a fan favorite. That tells me all I need to know about fan favorites.

That trade would basically be JR for Alen Iverson. You do that trade all day, twice on Sundays.

What I don't like about that trade is the lack of bigman depth. Camby goes down and the Nuggs are uber screwed.

Unless you find a third team to be involved, the Nuggets do not have the right players with the right money to land Iverson.

Master___Pain
12-12-2006, 09:38 PM
I was actually referring to this post:

Then maybe quote that post? Just a thought, not a mind reader.

Unless you find a third team to be involved, the Nuggets do not have the right players with the right money to land Iverson.

Right, I acknowledged that Nene's contract sucks in the post you quoted. I was addressing the rumor from a Nuggets fan perspective, nothing more. We all know that AI is not coming to Denver but it's entertaining to talk about, isn't it?

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 09:42 PM
I was addressing the rumor from a Nuggets fan perspective, nothing more.

Then put that in your post. I'm not a mind reader!

We all know that AI is not coming to Denver but it's entertaining to talk about, isn't it?

Right you are. The Nuggs can land him if they find a third team to get involved. Like let's say you ship Nene, Eduardo and Smith for Iverson. All philly has to do is send Nene to Boston (example) for theo Ratliff (expiring contract) and a 1st round pick, and POOOOF! you have a deal. Not that anyone wants Nene, but stranger things have happened.

Jens1893
12-12-2006, 09:47 PM
Right you are. The Nuggs can land him if they find a third team to get involved. Like let's say you ship Nene, Eduardo and Smith for Iverson. All philly has to do is send Nene to Boston (example) for theo Ratliff (expiring contract) and a 1st round pick, and POOOOF! you have a deal. Not that anyone wants Nene, but stranger things have happened.

Wouldnt you run riot if the Celtics traded away their first round pick?

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 09:47 PM
Of course not. His latest rift with his head coach started because Cheeks wanted the other AI to bring the ball up the floor instead of him. You think that he's gonna be allright with going somewhere that he's not going to be running the point? No chance.

That rumor is a bunch of bunk.

Eric Snow ran the point for years when he played with Iverson. It's a non-issue.

Master___Pain
12-12-2006, 09:47 PM
Then put that in your post. I'm not a mind reader!

Even you know I'm a Nuggs fan you crazy tarot card reader.

Right you are. The Nuggs can land him if they find a third team to get involved. Like let's say you ship Nene, Eduardo and Smith for Iverson. All philly has to do is send Nene to Boston (example) for theo Ratliff (expiring contract) and a 1st round pick, and POOOOF! you have a deal. Not that anyone wants Nene, but stranger things have happened.

Stranger things like locking up two p***Y footed bigmen for well over 100m? They sure have.

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 09:50 PM
Wouldnt you run riot if the Celtics traded away their first round pick?

If they traded Theo Ratliff and 1st for Nene, I would slit my wrists.

But to answer your question, no, I wouldn't mind seeing the C's trade a first away. We have 10 guys 24 or younger on the team. The only reason we have that many is to make a deal like this. When a superstar gets mad (happens every year) and the team is no longer in the playoff hunt, they look for expiring contracts and young talent. That is why everybody mentions Boston as a potential location for every disgruntled player in the league right now. We have more chips to play with than any team in the league. Eventually we are going to cash them in. When? I have no idea.

Clockwork Orange
12-12-2006, 09:55 PM
Eric Snow ran the point for years when he played with Iverson. It's a non-issue.

Then why exactly did Iverson blow a fuse over Cheeks insistance that AI2 bring the ball up the floor?

He's not going anywhere to be two.

Nuggets4
12-12-2006, 09:55 PM
The insider that posts on a few Nugs boards and has nailed every deal that has gone down this summer for the Nugs is now posting a whopper. Nugs are in this thing and in a big way. We're working a three team deal that would send both of our first round picks this year (ours & Dallas') along with three players to Philly to recieve AI and another player (possibly Ollie). The kicker? None of those three players are currently starters -- which means JR Smith and Miller aren't going anywhere in that deal.

Ric Bucher was on ESPNNews and said the Nugs and Indiana are the frontrunners for AI. He said our package is mainly based on Nene.

Not sure how to feel about this one...

Clockwork Orange
12-12-2006, 09:57 PM
The insider that posts on a few Nugs boards and has nailed every deal that has gone down this summer for the Nugs is now posting a whopper. Nugs are in this thing and in a big way. We're working a three team deal that would send both of our first round picks this year (ours & Dallas') along with three players to Philly to recieve AI and another player (possibly Ollie). The kicker? None of those three players are currently starters -- which means JR Smith and Miller aren't going anywhere in that deal.

Ric Bucher was on ESPNNews and said the Nugs and Indiana are the frontrunners for AI. He said our package is mainly based on Nene.

Not sure how to feel about this one...

If they can get him without giving up JR Smith, I'm all for it.

But again, I'm not believing anything until it actually happens. The Nuggets have "come close" to making a big deal so many times only for it to never actually materialize.

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 09:59 PM
Then why exactly did Iverson blow a fuse over Cheeks insistance that AI2 bring the ball up the floor?

He's not going anywhere to be two.

Maybe because AI2 is not a PG? I have no idea. And where exactly are you getting this story from? I haven't heard anything about it.

Once again, if Iverson played the two for nearly five years, I don't see the problem with him doing it now. Its not like he has demanded to play the point his whole career, obviously.

theAPAOps5
12-12-2006, 10:00 PM
The insider that posts on a few Nugs boards and has nailed every deal that has gone down this summer for the Nugs is now posting a whopper. Nugs are in this thing and in a big way. We're working a three team deal that would send both of our first round picks this year (ours & Dallas') along with three players to Philly to recieve AI and another player (possibly Ollie). The kicker? None of those three players are currently starters -- which means JR Smith and Miller aren't going anywhere in that deal.

Ric Bucher was on ESPNNews and said the Nugs and Indiana are the frontrunners for AI. He said our package is mainly based on Nene.

Not sure how to feel about this one...

If we can keep J.R. and get AI and lose Nene and his contract I would be a happy happy fan.

Point of clarification I wasn't trumping for Najera to stay as he is just a role player. I just don't see sending all 3 away when we have lost Chump Martin for the year and try to use a running system. If we can keep Eddie I am all for sending Nene or vice versa. Not getting my hopes up though as this could all blow up last minute like it has before.

theAPAOps5
12-12-2006, 10:02 PM
I do think that the way we had the front office set up last year. With Kiki being a figure head and any trade or move he wanted to make had to go through Stans confidant is what killed any big trade. Now there is less of a hierarchy so maybe things can get done. Still not holding my breath.

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 10:03 PM
Nugs are in this thing and in a big way. We're working a three team deal that would send both of our first round picks this year (ours & Dallas') along with three players to Philly to recieve AI and another player (possibly Ollie). The kicker? None of those three players are currently starters -- which means JR Smith and Miller aren't going anywhere in that deal.



That doesn't work money wise. You dont' have three guys on your bench + 2first round picks that equal Iverson's 17.3 million salary + Ollie's 3.2 million (or within 15% of it).

Hercules Rockefeller
12-12-2006, 10:05 PM
TJ needs to find his own Estrat to post here

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 10:06 PM
For a three way to work, Denver has to send equal money (or within 15% of it) to Philly for said players. From there, a third team can get involved. So unless the money works from the beginning, there is no deal.

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 10:11 PM
That doesn't work money wise. You dont' have three guys on your bench + 2first round picks that equal Iverson's 17.3 million salary + Ollie's 3.2 million (or within 15% of it).

Let me clarify, unless somebody wants to take on Reggie Evans atrocious contract, then you do not have three guys + two firsts that equal Iverson+Ollie. But Billy King is an idiot, so I don't know.

Also when you consider that Dallas and Denver are both going to be picking at the end of the first round, its makes the compensation for the proposed two first round picks even worse. Tell me Billy King isn't that stupid.

Jens1893
12-12-2006, 10:17 PM
That doesn't work money wise. You dont' have three guys on your bench + 2first round picks that equal Iverson's 17.3 million salary + Ollie's 3.2 million (or within 15% of it).

Joe Smith 6.8
Najera 4.5
Nene 8

Nuggets4
12-12-2006, 10:17 PM
Let me clarify, unless somebody wants to take on Reggie Evans atrocious contract, then you do not have three guys + two firsts that equal Iverson+Ollie. But Billy King is an idiot, so I don't know.

http://www2.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=3510356 -- after Dec 15th, Nene is free to be traded. Deal works.

Also when you consider that Dallas and Denver are both going to be picking at the end of the first round, its makes the compensation for the proposed two first round picks even worse. Tell me Billy King isn't that stupid.

He's an NBA GM. Odds are he IS that stupid.

Once again, I'm staying neutral on this until something happens.

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 10:20 PM
http://www2.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=3510356 -- after Dec 15th, Nene is free to be traded. Deal works.



He's an NBA GM. Odds are he IS that stupid.

Once again, I'm staying neutral on this until something happens.

But King's demands (funny) are for expiring contracts and young talent, not albatross contracts like Nene. Somebody has to want Nene (with an expiring contract, mind you) for the deal to work.

If King trades Iverson for one of the worst contracts in the league then he truly is an idiot.

RhymesayersDU
12-12-2006, 10:23 PM
The insider that posts on a few Nugs boards and has nailed every deal that has gone down this summer for the Nugs is now posting a whopper. Nugs are in this thing and in a big way. We're working a three team deal that would send both of our first round picks this year (ours & Dallas') along with three players to Philly to recieve AI and another player (possibly Ollie). The kicker? None of those three players are currently starters -- which means JR Smith and Miller aren't going anywhere in that deal.

Ric Bucher was on ESPNNews and said the Nugs and Indiana are the frontrunners for AI. He said our package is mainly based on Nene.

Not sure how to feel about this one...

As a huge AI fan, anything outside of Carmelo that lands us AI, I'd be pretty stoked for. I mean, I'll have his jersey on day 1. I love the way he plays.

But, I'd be ind of unhappy to see Nene go. I know his contract is huge for somebody who has not done anything in this league, but I think he has a lot of potential to be good. The other night when Camby got tossed, Nene played pretty well I think. I liken Nene to Cutler, in that he's not there yet, but you see little bits and pieces of things to come. I've seen Nene make some great inside moves, and I love his size and strength. Again, his contract was insane, but he could actually pan out.

But if we can get AI here and not give up any starters, that would be pretty cool. The lineup (I assume) would be

Andre
AI
Melo
Najera
Camby

Or if AI was to play point, we could start JR at 2.

That would be pretty damn cool. I'd be making a lot more trips up to Denver to "see the girlfriend" aka see the Nuggs.

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 10:24 PM
If King is willing to take on Nene, then there is no reason for him not to send out Iverson for Baron Davis or Mike Bibby. But from the reports I have read, he wants cheap, young labor and expiring contracts so the Sixers can suck this year (right now they are worst team in the league, upping their chances for Greg Oden) and salary cap relief (Webber's 20 million comes off the books next year) so they can be the big players in the 2008 free agent. If King follows that plan, he is a smart man. Anything else, and he is an idiot.

rubaiyat
12-12-2006, 10:25 PM
The insider that posts on a few Nugs boards and has nailed every deal that has gone down this summer for the Nugs is now posting a whopper. Nugs are in this thing and in a big way. We're working a three team deal that would send both of our first round picks this year (ours & Dallas') along with three players to Philly to recieve AI and another player (possibly Ollie). The kicker? None of those three players are currently starters -- which means JR Smith and Miller aren't going anywhere in that deal.

Ric Bucher was on ESPNNews and said the Nugs and Indiana are the frontrunners for AI. He said our package is mainly based on Nene.

Not sure how to feel about this one...


Are those two related? Or is the Nene thing something else?

You'd think the 76er's would be leery of taking on big men with balky knees, and bad contracts. Though Nene at least has a ligament not cartilage damage, and he's 24.

If we can keep J.R. and get AI and lose Nene and his contract I would be a happy happy fan.

Point of clarification I wasn't trumping for Najera to stay as he is just a role player. I just don't see sending all 3 away when we have lost Chump Martin for the year and try to use a running system. If we can keep Eddie I am all for sending Nene or vice versa. Not getting my hopes up though as this could all blow up last minute like it has before.

Yeah, but that's why I kinda don't want to lose Nene...Camby WILL go down. We need someone to be a Center. I wouldn't have minded Elson honestly.

RhymesayersDU
12-12-2006, 10:27 PM
If King is willing to take on Nene, then there is no reason for him not to send out Iverson for Baron Davis or Mike Bibby. But from the reports I have read, he wants cheap, young labor and expiring contracts so the Sixers can suck this year (right now they are worst team in the league, upping their chances for Greg Oden) and salary cap relief (Webber's 20 million comes off the books next year) so they can be the big players in the 2008 free agent. If King follows that plan, he is a smart man. Anything else, and he is an idiot.

Speaking of Baron Davis and the Warriors, it was rumored that Jason Richardson was being dangled for AI.

Now that would be a backcourt, Davis & AI.

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 10:28 PM
Billy King's main goal right now should be for the sixers to suck ass this season. They are doing a great job of it right now (worst record in the league). If they can land the next big thing (Oden), the franchise is set for the next 10 years. But if King takes back long money and players who can actually help a team win and they end up with the 9th pick of the draft and no salary cap relief, somebody needs to kick his ass.

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 10:30 PM
Speaking of Baron Davis and the Warriors, it was rumored that Jason Richardson was being dangled for AI.

Now that would be a backcourt, Davis & AI.

See, and if King does that, he is a ****ing idiot. J-Rich just came off knee surgery and is owed 60 million dollars on his contract. The Sixers go from sucking with Iverson and no cap space to sucking with J-Rich and no cap space. Stupidity. Mediocrity forever.

But yea, Davis and Iverson? Whooo. That would be tight.

RhymesayersDU
12-12-2006, 10:36 PM
Food for thought:

I can't remember who the 76ers play at the SF spot, but I know they play Dalembert at Center. If they had Nene at PF and somebody at least serviceable at SF, that would actually be a hell of a frontcourt. I don't want to talk up Dalembert or Nene and make them better than what they are, but who does the East have for big guys? You can probably count them on your fingers.

Ben Wallace, Jermaine O'Neal, Shaq, Chris Bosh, Iglauskas. And Shaq ain't even really Shaq anymore. Jermaine O'Neal has been hurt, and Ben Wallace doesn't know the meaning of the word offense. I hesitate to add Rasheed to that list. He's good, but he's still mainly a jump shooter from what I've seen.

My point is, you put together some guys with size, with AI2, and you might actually have the makings of a good team. I didn't even add Eddy Curry to that list, because even though he's been playing well lately, it might just be due to lack of talent in the East.

And assume they continue to suck and win the Greg Oden sweepstakes. They can take him and move Dalembert, or stick with Dalembert and move Oden for a good package.

Again, I'm not saying the combo of Nene & Dalembert will set the league on fire, and I'm not trying to make those two guys more than what they are. But in the East, if you get some size you can make a run in that conference.

I guess my point is, I could see why they would potentially want Nene, even with his contract.

Edit: I can't believe I forgot the Manchild Dwight Howard. But my point is, the East still ain't that deep at PF or C.

theAPAOps5
12-12-2006, 10:38 PM
King is under pressure. Word is that Philly wants there hands washed of this. They are adamant about trading AI by tonight. Any semblance of patience goes out the window if they are seriously geared on getting this done. So they might take a lesser package. If they take Joe Smith, Najera, Nene and picks they are just crazy. As picks are so hit or miss and they are getting a huge cumbersome contract in Nene, Joe Smith woohoo, and Eddie Najera. Eddie will be a Philly favorite because of his workman like play but still that is a blow it all up trade for Philly.

rubaiyat
12-12-2006, 10:39 PM
Food for thought:

I can't remember who the 76ers play at the SF spot, but I know they play Dalembert at Center. If they had Nene at PF and somebody at least serviceable at SF, that would actually be a hell of a frontcourt. I don't want to talk up Dalembert or Nene and make them better than what they are, but who does the East have for big guys? You can probably count them on your fingers.

Ben Wallace, Jermaine O'Neal, Shaq, Chris Bosh, Iglauskas. And Shaq ain't even really Shaq anymore. Jermaine O'Neal has been hurt, and Ben Wallace doesn't know the meaning of the word offense. I hesitate to add Rasheed to that list. He's good, but he's still mainly a jump shooter from what I've seen.

My point is, you put together some guys with size, with AI2, and you might actually have the makings of a good team. I didn't even add Eddy Curry to that list, because even though he's been playing well lately, it might just be due to lack of talent in the East.

And assume they continue to suck and win the Greg Oden sweepstakes. They can take him and move Dalembert, or stick with Dalembert and move Oden for a good package.

Again, I'm not saying the combo of Nene & Dalembert will set the league on fire, and I'm not trying to make those two guys more than what they are. But in the East, if you get some size you can make a run in that conference.

I guess my point is, I could see why they would potentially want Nene, even with his contract.

Edit: I can't believe I forgot the Manchild Dwight Howard. But my point is, the East still ain't that deep at PF or C.


Ashton Kucher I think...aka Korver.

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 10:40 PM
Food for thought:

I can't remember who the 76ers play at the SF spot, but I know they play Dalembert at Center. If they had Nene at PF and somebody at least serviceable at SF, that would actually be a hell of a frontcourt. I don't want to talk up Dalembert or Nene and make them better than what they are, but who does the East have for big guys? You can probably count them on your fingers.




See, that is where I think you are wrong. Sam Dalembert and Nene would be the most expensive (21 million a year together), suck ass frontcourt in the league. If you go back to your old stomping grounds and make a thread on the RealGM 76ers board about Sam Dalembert, you will realize they all want him gone. Why compound the problem and take another frontcourt young guy who is making too much money and can't really play.

From what I have read, the Sixers are trying to unload Dalemberts contract with AI right now. I seriously doubt they take on a big man who will eventually make 14 million a year who can't rebound.

theAPAOps5
12-12-2006, 10:41 PM
I find myself getting excited I know I am going to be dissapointed.

One question, if we get this somehow does Miller and AI start and J.R. come off the bench? That means J.R. is 6th man and Boykins loses time or vice versa. There could be some hurt feelings there. Bah this is getting to far ahead of myself.

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 10:43 PM
King is under pressure. Word is that Philly wants there hands washed of this. They are adamant about trading AI by tonight. Any semblance of patience goes out the window if they are seriously geared on getting this done. So they might take a lesser package. If they take Joe Smith, Najera, Nene and picks they are just crazy. As picks are so hit or miss and they are getting a huge cumbersome contract in Nene, Joe Smith woohoo, and Eddie Najera. Eddie will be a Philly favorite because of his workman like play but still that is a blow it all up trade for Philly.

All you nuggets fans dont' get me wrong right now. I'm just hating because I want Iverson on the Celtics. That's it. I'm a hater. If you land Iverson for Nene, I might jump off a roof because I know we have the better offer but since we play in the same division as Philly, they really don't want to deal with us.

AARRGGH. I have wasted my whole day waiting for this trade.

RhymesayersDU
12-12-2006, 10:45 PM
See, that is where I think you are wrong. Sam Dalembert and Nene would be the most expensive (21 million a year together), suck ass frontcourt in the league. If you go back to your old stomping grounds and make a thread on the RealGM 76ers board about Sam Dalembert, you will realize they all want him gone. Why compound the problem and take another frontcourt young guy who is making too much money and can't really play.

From what I have read, the Sixers are trying to unload Dalemberts contract with AI right now. I seriously doubt they take on a big man who will eventually make 14 million a year who can't rebound.

hahah @ old stomping grounds. I'm not allowed to have a sig over there because I irritated people.

But I didn't know that 76ers fans (and management for that matter) wanted him gone. I thought he was doing alright, at least a serviceable starter. You see how much I pay attention to the East I guess.

Ah well.

RhymesayersDU
12-12-2006, 10:47 PM
I find myself getting excited I know I am going to be dissapointed.

One question, if we get this somehow does Miller and AI start and J.R. come off the bench? That means J.R. is 6th man and Boykins loses time or vice versa. There could be some hurt feelings there. Bah this is getting to far ahead of myself.

If Boykins got buried as the 12th man on the bench, that would only sweeten the deal that much more.

I agree, I'm getting too excited. Disappointment can only follow.

Jens1893
12-12-2006, 10:49 PM
All you nuggets fans dont' get me wrong right now. I'm just hating because I want Iverson on the Celtics. That's it. I'm a hater. If you land Iverson for Nene, I might jump off a roof because I know we have the better offer but since we play in the same division as Philly, they really don't want to deal with us.

AARRGGH. I have wasted my whole day waiting for this trade.

Cant be long before they put Kevin Garnett on the market.

theAPAOps5
12-12-2006, 10:49 PM
All you nuggets fans dont' get me wrong right now. I'm just hating because I want Iverson on the Celtics. That's it. I'm a hater. If you land Iverson for Nene, I might jump off a roof because I know we have the better offer but since we play in the same division as Philly, they really don't want to deal with us.

AARRGGH. I have wasted my whole day waiting for this trade.

Oh I can see your excitement about this and all. I was just pointing out why King would consider something so one sided. I was watching the post game on Altitude and they are saying they have no clue where he is going and Bill Hanzlik is saying that a straight trade for Tracy McGrady is what he thinks makes most sense. I wonder how much they know on the inside though. Again I am trying to hold back.

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 10:49 PM
And you know what really ills me? I think we were all set, ready to trade Al Jefferson for Allen Iverson and the Jefferson busts out a 29 point, 14 rebound and a 3 block game the night of the rumor. WHAT? A 21 year old big man who stands 6'10" and has a back to the basket game? He screwed everything up. Then the next game he comes back with 14 pts, 12 rebounds and 4 block shots. DAMN! Now, nobody wants to trade him. I don't really want to trade him. Before he turned into a beast? Sure, I was willing to part with the guy.

AARRGHHH!!

theAPAOps5
12-12-2006, 10:51 PM
Man this is like when we were in the Labron lottery and the NFL fixed it for him to go to Cleveland. I was so dissapointed b/c we ended up coming in 3rd in picking. I just knew Detroit was going to take Melo. Then we got Melo and I was so excited for Nuggs basketball again. This trade can take us to the next level if it pans out. AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH! I am getting to excited.

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 10:53 PM
Oh I can see your excitement about this and all. I was just pointing out why King would consider something so one sided. I was watching the post game on Altitude and they are saying they have no clue where he is going and Bill Hanzlik is saying that a straight trade for Tracy McGrady is what he thinks makes most sense. I wonder how much they know on the inside though. Again I am trying to hold back.

Man, I'm parched from all this hating. I've been hating on every proposed deal that has not included the Celtics since Sunday. Hating takes a lot of damn work!

Iverson for McGrady? I can see that. One SUPERSTAR for another SUPERSTAR. Nothing like a SUPERSTAR for J-Rich or some bull**** like that.

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 10:55 PM
Cant be long before they put Kevin Garnett on the market.

I don't think Mchale trades Garnett to us. He already traded Wally Z to Boston.

If he ended up trading Garnett to Boston, he would have essentially traded his two best players to Boston and we didn't send Paul Pierce back in return.

He can't make that move. That is a career killer.

RhymesayersDU
12-12-2006, 10:55 PM
While we're on the topic of McGrady, anybody wonder if he is the next Grant Hill? I hate to say that, but he's currently "out indefinitely" with back spasms, when he was supposed to be 100% fine after resting this past Summer. Will he ever get healthy?

Clockwork Orange
12-12-2006, 10:56 PM
And you know what really ills me? I think we were all set, ready to trade Al Jefferson for Allen Iverson and the Jefferson busts out a 29 point, 14 rebound and a 3 block game the night of the rumor. WHAT? A 21 year old big man who stands 6'10" and has a back to the basket game? He screwed everything up. Then the next game he comes back with 14 pts, 12 rebounds and 4 block shots. DAMN! Now, nobody wants to trade him. I don't really want to trade him. Before he turned into a beast? Sure, I was willing to part with the guy.

AARRGHHH!!

From what I've heard from the same source that Nuggs cited earlier, Boston has offered the best package (he didn't name names) but the 76ers are petrified by the idea of trading Iverson to a division rival.

I know, it seems silly to pass up the best deal on the table for that reason, but that appears to be the case.

Clockwork Orange
12-12-2006, 10:58 PM
While we're on the topic of McGrady, anybody wonder if he is the next Grant Hill? I hate to say that, but he's currently "out indefinitely" with back spasms, when he was supposed to be 100% fine after resting this past Summer. Will he ever get healthy?

Houston knew what they were getting. McGrady has had back problems for years.

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 10:58 PM
Man this is like when we were in the Labron lottery and the NFL fixed it for him to go to Cleveland. I was so dissapointed b/c we ended up coming in 3rd in picking. I just knew Detroit was going to take Melo. Then we got Melo and I was so excited for Nuggs basketball again. This trade can take us to the next level if it pans out. AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH! I am getting to excited.

Don't do it, dude. I've been excited since Saturday and now I am as bitter as a bride left at the alter. I'm yelling at people for no reason. I haven't showered or shaved in three days. I'm on the edge, man. THE EDGE!!!

Don't let the AI suck you in!!!

RhymesayersDU
12-12-2006, 10:58 PM
From what I've heard from the same source that Nuggs cited earlier, Boston has offered the best package (he didn't name names) but the 76ers are petrified by the idea of trading Iverson to a division rival.

I know, it seems silly to pass up the best deal on the table for that reason, but that appears to be the case.

So that is what pouring salt on a wound is. I always wondered about that!

Jens1893
12-12-2006, 10:59 PM
Gonzo, you really need to start a Cīs blog ...

rubaiyat
12-12-2006, 11:00 PM
All you nuggets fans dont' get me wrong right now. I'm just hating because I want Iverson on the Celtics. That's it. I'm a hater. If you land Iverson for Nene, I might jump off a roof because I know we have the better offer but since we play in the same division as Philly, they really don't want to deal with us.

AARRGGH. I have wasted my whole day waiting for this trade.

That's downright neighborly of you.

At least on the flip side...you have better odds of landing KG being in the East and having everyone tie up "funds" going for Iverson.

Clockwork Orange
12-12-2006, 11:01 PM
So that is what pouring salt on a wound is. I always wondered about that!

Just repeating what I heard. Nothing everyone probably didn't already assume.

Again, I'm still not believing that Iverson is coming to Denver until there's an official announcement. My hopes have been dashed far too many times.

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 11:02 PM
From what I've heard from the same source that Nuggs cited earlier, Boston has offered the best package (he didn't name names) but the 76ers are petrified by the idea of trading Iverson to a division rival.

I know, it seems silly to pass up the best deal on the table for that reason, but that appears to be the case.

See, and that is just stupidity. Plain stupidity. The Sixers KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO SUCK FOR THE NEXT TWO SEASONS, who gives a flying **** what Iverson does? He is traded. He is no longer a Sixer, does it really matter if plays in Seattle or Boston? He has nothing to do with the Sixers anymore. It is not as if the Sixers are going to challenge the Celtics for the Atlantic Division crown in the next three years.

Good grief. I know we have the best deal on the table.

rubaiyat
12-12-2006, 11:03 PM
Man this is like when we were in the Labron lottery and the NFL fixed it for him to go to Cleveland. I was so dissapointed b/c we ended up coming in 3rd in picking. I just knew Detroit was going to take Melo. Then we got Melo and I was so excited for Nuggs basketball again. This trade can take us to the next level if it pans out. AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH! I am getting to excited.

It's best we didn't ...Kiki was looking mighty hard at Darko.

Not to say he's a bust. Maybe he might even be great...especially with some confidence early...

But I can live with being third.

I bet Dumars would love to have that one back though

theAPAOps5
12-12-2006, 11:03 PM
Why Philly would trade AI to Boston is beyond me. Looks like they are not to keen either so at least that says something. I mean that would be like us trading Champ Bailey to Kansas City. Just makes no sense.

rubaiyat
12-12-2006, 11:04 PM
I don't think Mchale trades Garnett to us. He already traded Wally Z to Boston.

If he ended up trading Garnett to Boston, he would have essentially traded his two best players to Boston and we didn't send Paul Pierce back in return.

He can't make that move. That is a career killer.

Come on, he owes his CAREER to Boston...it's all a master plan by Red.

Clockwork Orange
12-12-2006, 11:05 PM
See, and that is just stupidity. Plain stupidity. The Sixers KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO SUCK FOR THE NEXT TWO SEASONS, who gives a flying **** what Iverson does? He is traded. He is no longer a Sixer, does it really matter if plays in Seattle or Boston? He has nothing to do with the Sixers anymore. It is not as if the Sixers are going to challenge the Celtics for the Atlantic Division crown in the next three years.

Good grief. I know we have the best deal on the table.

Exactly. So if you're going to suck ass for two years and be frontrunners in the Greg Oden & OJ Mayo sweepstakes', why would you give a rip what Boston does during that time? By the time the 76ers are ready to be competitive again, Iverson will either be well past his prime or retired.

theAPAOps5
12-12-2006, 11:05 PM
It's best we didn't ...Kiki was looking mighty hard at Darko.

Not to say he's a bust. Maybe he might even be great...especially with some confidence early...

But I can live with being third.

I bet Dumars would love to have that one back though

Kiki also threw all that money at Martin and tried to say the team needed to revolve around him not Melo. I thought Kiki was great at dumping all that salary but man his thinking was just retarded. Darko was never going to have the impact that Lebron of Melo has had.

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 11:09 PM
Why Philly would trade AI to Boston is beyond me. Looks like they are not to keen either so at least that says something. I mean that would be like us trading Champ Bailey to Kansas City. Just makes no sense.


Basketball is a little different from football. There rivalries are not as heated. No one on the Boston Celtics' board has a sig that says "Philly sucks" or no one even starts a thread thats says "Philly lost again! ya-hoo." Same for the Philly board. I think the reason being is because there are 82 games a year and we only play Philly like 6 times. Too many games played to hate another team. Besides, eight teams in the NBA make the playoffs so division crowns aren't that big of deal. And remember, Toronto traded VC to New Jersey and we all play in the Atlantic.

Hercules Rockefeller
12-12-2006, 11:11 PM
It's best we didn't ...Kiki was looking mighty hard at Darko.


Everyone said they would have taken Darko 2nd that year

Clockwork Orange
12-12-2006, 11:14 PM
Everyone said they would have taken Darko 2nd that year

It was pretty well known that Kiki wanted Darko. One of Kiki's absolute biggest problems was his love for projects.

The Nuggets got so lucky to end up with Carmelo that it's not even funny. Several things had to break their way for that to happen.

RhymesayersDU
12-12-2006, 11:15 PM
Just repeating what I heard. Nothing everyone probably didn't already assume.

Oh I know, I was just trying to tease Gonzo.

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 11:15 PM
By the time the 76ers are ready to be competitive again, Iverson will either be well past his prime or retired.

See, I don't think so. You can compare Iverson's body type and wear and tear to WRs in the NFL. Guys like Keenan McCardell, Rod Smith, Jerry Rice and James Lofton were great, great players at age 35. No one can say with a straight face that Iverson has taken more pounding going into the lane in the NBA than Rod Smith has going over the middle in the NFL. ANd you know WR's rely on speed (somewhat) to get open.

Allen Iverson is one of the greatest athletes of our generation. No one can really dispute that. I think he is money for the next six seasons. He is only 31 years old. I see no reason for a drop off. If Jason Kidd can put down 38 pts, 14 rebounds and 13 assists like he did against Phoenix the other night as a 34 year old coming off microfracture surgery, I see no reason why Iverson still cannot dominate well into his mid 30's.

GonzoLays
12-12-2006, 11:18 PM
Oh I know, I was just trying to tease Gonzo.

And it worked, BITCH!! I'm delirious! Gonzo need sleep.

Clockwork Orange
12-12-2006, 11:19 PM
See, I don't think so. You can compare Iverson's body type and wear and tear to WRs in the NFL. Guys like Keenan McCardell, Rod Smith, Jerry Rice and James Lofton were great, great players at age 35. No one can say with a straight face that Iverson has taken more pounding going into the lane in the NBA than Rod Smith has going over the middle in the NFL. ANd you know WR's rely on speed (somewhat) to get open.

Allen Iverson is one of the greatest athletes of our generation. No one can really dispute that. I think he is money for the next six seasons. He is only 31 years old. I see no reason for a drop off. If Jason Kidd can put down 38 pts, 14 rebounds and 13 assists like he did against Phoenix the other night as a 34 year old coming off microfracture surgery, I see no reason why Iverson still cannot dominate well into his mid 30's.

Perhaps Philly sees it the same way you do. I guess that would explain why they don't want to send him to Boston.

RhymesayersDU
12-12-2006, 11:19 PM
See, I don't think so. You can compare Iverson's body type and wear and tear to WRs in the NFL. Guys like Keenan McCardell, Rod Smith, Jerry Rice and James Lofton were great, great players at age 35. No one can say with a straight face that Iverson has taken more pounding going into the lane in the NBA than Rod Smith has going over the middle in the NFL. ANd you know WR's rely on speed (somewhat) to get open.

Allen Iverson is one of the greatest athletes of our generation. No one can really dispute that. I think he is money for the next six seasons. He is only 31 years old. I see no reason for a drop off. If Jason Kidd can put down 38 pts, 14 rebounds and 13 assists like he did against Phoenix the other night as a 34 year old coming off microfracture surgery, I see no reason why Iverson still cannot dominate well into his mid 30's.

I tend to agree with this. I don't know how much money he would demand when he re-ups in 2 or 3 years, but I think he'll be good. If guys like Sam Cassell can start in this league currently, I think AI could. How old is Sam, anyways? He's gotta be like 35. At least 33, I would imagine. He played on those Rocket championship teams like 10 years ago.

Rascal
12-13-2006, 12:14 AM
Holy Crap.

If we get him for Nene and two firsts I'm all for it.

Then possibly we could trade Miller for a SF.

Jens1893
12-13-2006, 12:27 AM
Holy Crap.

If we get him for Nene and two firsts I'm all for it.

Then possibly we could trade Miller for a SF.

Doesnt Melo play SF? Shouldnt that be PF?

Rascal
12-13-2006, 12:29 AM
Yeah sorry I'm always thinking strong forward for some reason.

Nuggets4
12-13-2006, 01:28 AM
From what I've heard from the same source that Nuggs cited earlier, Boston has offered the best package (he didn't name names) but the 76ers are petrified by the idea of trading Iverson to a division rival.

I know, it seems silly to pass up the best deal on the table for that reason, but that appears to be the case.

That's because he's an NBA GM. Seriously, they are the worst GM's in all of sports.

Holy Crap.

If we get him for Nene and two firsts I'm all for it.

Then possibly we could trade Miller for a SF.

If we have AI, JR and Melo, we're going to need SOMEONE who doesn't need to jack up shots. Trading Dre would be pretty damn foolish IMO. ASSUMING that it's Nene, Najera and Joe Smith (with picks) for AI and Ollie, this gives us two possibilities for lineups.

# AI, Dre, Midget, Ollie
# JR, Yakouba
# Melo, Kleiza
# Evans, KMart*
# Camby, Sampson

or

# Dre, Ollie
# AI, Midget
# JR, Yakouba
# Melo, Kleiza, KMart*
# Camby, Evans

* = injured with strained vagina

One thing's for sure, all of a sudden we're thin up front. I'd LOVE it if we could deal the midget instead of Eddie, but I'm not sure if that would happen. Hopefully Earl's out of town one way or another.

Oh, and because I like watching the panic here, the "insider" just posted that if Portland approves the deal in the morning (they're the third team), AI will be a Nugget by the afternoon.

Clockwork Orange
12-13-2006, 01:31 AM
Oh, and because I like watching the panic here, the "insider" just posted that if Portland approves the deal in the morning (they're the third team), AI will be a Nugget by the afternoon.

I read the same thing, but I thought that Nene & Joe Smith couldn't be traded until the 15th?

theAPAOps5
12-13-2006, 01:32 AM
That's because he's an NBA GM. Seriously, they are the worst GM's in all of sports.



If we have AI, JR and Melo, we're going to need SOMEONE who doesn't need to jack up shots. Trading Dre would be pretty damn foolish IMO. ASSUMING that it's Nene, Najera and Joe Smith (with picks) for AI and Ollie, this gives us two possibilities for lineups.

# AI, Dre, Midget, Ollie
# JR, Yakouba
# Melo, Kleiza
# Evans, KMart*
# Camby, Sampson

or

# Dre, Ollie
# AI, Midget
# JR, Yakouba
# Melo, Kleiza, KMart*
# Camby, Evans

* = injured with strained vagina

One thing's for sure, all of a sudden we're thin up front. I'd LOVE it if we could deal the midget instead of Eddie, but I'm not sure if that would happen. Hopefully Earl's out of town one way or another.

Oh, and because I like watching the panic here, the "insider" just posted that if Portland approves the deal in the morning (they're the third team), AI will be a Nugget by the afternoon.

You are the devil you damn TEASE I have Nuggets blue balls now!

theAPAOps5
12-13-2006, 01:36 AM
Where are you guys reading this?

Rascal
12-13-2006, 01:36 AM
I like it but dang that's a tiny front court. We would need to get another big guy if we lost both Nene and Najera.

theAPAOps5
12-13-2006, 01:40 AM
Well we have Kleiza and isn't Diawara playing forward and some Gaurd. We still have Camby and Melo although that leaves the depth lacking.

Rascal
12-13-2006, 01:41 AM
Well teh last thing I want is to have Melo banging it up with a bunch of 6'10 guys on defense because all we have is him and Camby.

Nuggets4
12-13-2006, 01:45 AM
I read the same thing, but I thought that Nene & Joe Smith couldn't be traded until the 15th?

Nene I think, but can't Smith be dealt now?

I like it but dang that's a tiny front court. We would need to get another big guy if we lost both Nene and Najera.

Only a depth rotation guy. The Nugs offense runs at its best with Melo down low, this would allow that more often.

theAPAOps5
12-13-2006, 01:45 AM
Good point. I am still worried about the ego thing too. Yeah Melo developed a repore with AI at the Olympics but how will things end up on an everyday basis? Also how will Karl and AI interact with his practice philosiphy? Its worth the try but I do have that worry in my gut.

RhymesayersDU
12-13-2006, 01:46 AM
Well teh last thing I want is to have Melo banging it up with a bunch of 6'10 guys on defense because all we have is him and Camby.

Although I would love AI, and since ideally we want to fast break and not run halfcourt sets, I do agree that I'm not too keen on playing Melo at PF... Although he would probably murder some of them on the wing.

theAPAOps5
12-13-2006, 01:46 AM
Nene I think, but can't Smith be dealt now?



Only a depth rotation guy. The Nugs offense runs at its best with Melo down low, this would allow that more often.

ok so saying the insider nail another one and this trade gets done. How does it work if Nene can't be traded until Friday?

Clockwork Orange
12-13-2006, 01:47 AM
Nene I think, but can't Smith be dealt now?

I thought that Smith could be traded individually, but couldn't be packaged up with other players/picks until the 15th. I could be wrong.

RhymesayersDU
12-13-2006, 01:52 AM
Good point. I am still worried about the ego thing too. Yeah Melo developed a repore with AI at the Olympics but how will things end up on an everyday basis? Also how will Karl and AI interact with his practice philosiphy? Its worth the try but I do have that worry in my gut.

I'm not worried about the ego thing at all, and here's why:

Greg Anthony made a very interesting point on SportsCenter tonight. He stated that when you look at championship teams, look at the 2nd leading scorer on the team. More often than not, they're a Hall of Fame player. Point is, people call AI selfish, but who is he supposed to defer to on the 6ers? Is he supposed to trust Korver or AI2? AI2 is a nice player and an up-and-comer, but would you trust him to carry a team? Probably not. Nobody can score on that team, not like AI.

I do believe AI would trust Carmelo enough to share. Stats don't lie, both these guys are at the top of the league's scoring. Carmelo can play ball.

Of course, when you get into pressure situations, game winning shots, etc, both guys will want the ball. But I think in a normal game situation, both will be fine.

Plus, with the way Karl wants to get quick shots, up and down the court, etc, that leaves a lot of possessions for everybody to touch the ball.

I also think that while you can say what you want about AI off the court, he does love the game and wants to win, so it's his best interest to play nice. And go to practice sometimes. ;)

Clockwork Orange
12-13-2006, 01:56 AM
I just looked on the trade checker on RealGM and apparently there's no restrictions on trading Joe Smith. You're right, Nuggs, Nene is the only one who can't be moved until the 15th.

Jens1893
12-13-2006, 01:59 AM
If the Sixers have their heart set on this offer, I donīt think 2-3 days would be a big obstacle.

And I too would like to have a link to the board youīre reading this on.

Clockwork Orange
12-13-2006, 02:01 AM
If the Sixers have their heart set on this offer, I donīt think 2-3 days would be a big obstacle.

And I too would like to have a link to the board youīre reading this on.

Here's one of them.

www.nuggets.proboards1.com

theAPAOps5
12-13-2006, 02:10 AM
Here's one of them.

www.nuggets.proboards1.com

Man I do not like how that board is set up. Really hard to read. So it looks like there is a lot of chatter out there regarding Denver. Only time will tell I guess.

theAPAOps5
12-13-2006, 04:07 AM
Wow I am up late trying to find out anymore info. I perused more of that website you linked clockwork. It looks like the inside poster eric something has some decent insight. He mentioned Kyle Korver coming over. If that were the case he gives us a great 3 point threat. Ok I have to go to bed I am getting way to into the hype!

spdirty
12-13-2006, 11:07 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_4828884

Atlanta - The Nuggets are still running in the race for Philadelphia 76ers guard Allen Iverson, according to NBA sources.

The Nuggets, Indiana, Boston, Minnesota and Golden State are talking to the Sixers about Iverson, according to sources. Denver had conversations Tuesday with Sixers officials.

The Sixers seem intrigued by salary-cap space and draft picks.

To make a deal work, the Nuggets would likely trade forward- center Nene and possibly two other players with expiring contracts, along with their two first-round picks in 2007, to Philadelphia. Since Nene is in the first year of a five-year, $60-million contract, the Sixers may want to send him to Portland for center Jamaal Magloire in order to acquire another expiring contract.

Denver also has made attempts to acquire Iverson, the 2001 MVP who now is inactive after asking to be traded, during last season and the past offseason.

"I'm going to call him and pick his brain," said Nuggets forward Carmelo Anthony, about Iverson. "But I can't see him in another uniform."







If we can get this deal done, it likely won't be till Friday.

theAPAOps5
12-13-2006, 06:49 PM
Well I am hearing that the trade is now really J.R. Smith, Najera, and Camby. Philly nixed the Nene part. Again this is Mike Evans on 950 and I am not sure how much clout he has. If this is the trade I say no way in hell. J.R. has too much potential going for him.

theAPAOps5
12-13-2006, 07:06 PM
Ok I just read that 560 called the "other" stations reports absolutely retarded. No JR and no Camby involved still.

Jens1893
12-13-2006, 07:10 PM
Well, the Sixers were expected to have a deal done by Tuesday night ... itīs now Wednesday and thereīs still no sign of a deal. This leads me to believe that the Nuggets may indeed be involved here as they cannot trade Nene until Friday.

Master___Pain
12-13-2006, 07:17 PM
Well I am hearing that the trade is now really J.R. Smith, Najera, and Camby. Philly nixed the Nene part. Again this is Mike Evans on 950 and I am not sure how much clout he has. If this is the trade I say no way in hell. J.R. has too much potential going for him.

No ****ing way you do that deal. Camby and JR?!? Pass. This team needs Camby as much as anyone (not named Melo of course)

theAPAOps5
12-13-2006, 07:24 PM
No ****ing way you do that deal. Camby and JR?!? Pass. This team needs Camby as much as anyone (not named Melo of course)

Yeah I went and read some stuff in that Nuggets forum that was linked here. Apparently Mike Evans is either getting bad info or his source is whack. I guess 560 actually said that the "other" station has no clue what is going down. JR and Camby are not in the mix. If they do come out and say that is the trade I will lose all faith in the Nuggets. You killed your present, and future by doing that. I doubt Kroenke would sign off on that.

RhymesayersDU
12-13-2006, 07:27 PM
Wow, that would have been Philly raping us blind if we gave them JR, Camby, and Najera. I would have been pissed, even as much as I love me some AI.

theAPAOps5
12-13-2006, 07:30 PM
That is whay makes Mike Evans look even more retarded to actually report that. The Nuggets never make that trade, unless they all of a sudden lost their brains.

Hercules Rockefeller
12-13-2006, 07:49 PM
The last person to have Nugs sources at 950 was Chad Andross (sp?). Everything Evans has reported has come from Philly, not the Nugs. Can't believe he said Camby was involved when the DP said this morning that they weren't trading MC to Philly.

Master___Pain
12-13-2006, 08:01 PM
That is whay makes Mike Evans look even more retarded to actually report that. The Nuggets never make that trade, unless they all of a sudden lost their brains.

The last person to have Nugs sources at 950 was Chad Andross (sp?). Everything Evans has reported has come from Philly, not the Nugs. Can't believe he said Camby was involved when the DP said this morning that they weren't trading MC to Philly.


Mike Evans is awful. Period. He's trying to scoop the story but his "scoop" sucks.

montrose
12-13-2006, 08:30 PM
I've heard on a few outlets today a rumored deal that would send Phily 2 First Round Picks, Nene, Joe Smith, and possibly Earl Boykins. Phily would then send Nene to Portland in return for the expiring contact of Jamal Maglorie. The Nuggets would recieve Iverson.

RhymesayersDU
12-13-2006, 08:34 PM
I've heard on a few outlets today a rumored deal that would send Phily 2 First Round Picks, Nene, Joe Smith, and possibly Earl Boykins. Phily would then send Nene to Portland in return for the expiring contact of Jamal Maglorie. The Nuggets would recieve Iverson.

If we got AI and lost Earl Boykins, I'd donate all my Christmas presents to charity, because that in itself would be the best present ever.

Clockwork Orange
12-13-2006, 08:36 PM
If we got AI and lost Earl Boykins, I'd donate all my Christmas presents to charity, because that in itself would be the best present ever.

It'd be a Christmas miracle.

Of course there would be an outcry from children eleven and under all across the state of Colorado, but what are you gonna do? You can't please everyone.

theAPAOps5
12-13-2006, 08:38 PM
Man this is going to be a huge letdown now if Denver's deal is not taken.

RhymesayersDU
12-13-2006, 08:38 PM
I really hope this doesn't turn into a disappointment. At first I tried not to get my hopes up. And now this talk of dealing Earl Boykins has just basically pushed me into oblivion. This better happen now.

Clockwork Orange
12-13-2006, 08:43 PM
I haven't got my hopes up at all, not a bit. They've let me down enough times when they were allegedly close to getting a big deal done that I'm not believing anything until it actually happens.

theAPAOps5
12-13-2006, 08:45 PM
Clockwork, you hear anything more on your other sites. That one site you linked has that eric dude who must have inside info. He seems to have become quiet.

montrose
12-13-2006, 09:10 PM
I haven't gotten to see a ton of Nugz games this season. Why is everyone so ridiculously down on Earl?

Clockwork Orange
12-13-2006, 09:14 PM
Clockwork, you hear anything more on your other sites. That one site you linked has that eric dude who must have inside info. He seems to have become quiet.

Nothing new. Though there's a guy on the RealGM 76ers board who claims to have inside connections (take it for what it's worth, the regulars there seem to believe he's legit) and he said earlier today that it's basically down to Denver and Minnesota.

theAPAOps5
12-13-2006, 09:15 PM
I haven't gotten to see a ton of Nugz games this season. Why is everyone so ridiculously down on Earl?

Well this year he has been less than stellar shooting wise. Defense tends to take a hit with him in the lineup. Finally, he tends to take a lot of shots.

Man-Goblin
12-13-2006, 10:03 PM
Rumors are cooking all over the net and on the Nuggets radio broadcast about the deal. Shimmel said something about a buzz in the building that the Nuggets landed AI. I agree with Rhyme, if they could get AI and get rid of Boykins it would be too good to be true. I hope this happens.

Casper Bronco
12-13-2006, 11:13 PM
I don't think there is anyone in the world that wants Iverson to the Nuggets as much as me.

Casper Bronco
12-14-2006, 02:14 AM
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3818/iversonnuggetsqr5.jpg

theAPAOps5
12-14-2006, 02:25 AM
Don't get too excited. Reports are Minnesota is trying deperately to find a third team to swing a deal. We won't hear anything until Friday if Nene is involved. :crossed fingers:

RhymesayersDU
12-14-2006, 02:46 AM
I'll be a sad panda if the T'Wolves get him. I mean, if Denver doesn't get him that's one thing... but Minnesota? No good.

theAPAOps5
12-14-2006, 02:49 AM
The thing is Minnesota has to get another team involved to get a deal done. They don't have much to offer except KG but that defeats the purpose of going after AI. Reading the realGM boards for Philly they are hoping against hope the Denver rumor isn't true. That eric guy hasn't posted on the nuggets site about the trade lately so I am not sure what to think now. Then O4L posts that the pregame on 950 said the Nuggets were a buzz as they were hearing that Denver landed Iverson. I guess only time will tell but again I am still leery.

theAPAOps5
12-14-2006, 03:09 AM
someone posted that eric posted in another place that Portland nixed the Nene deal so now Denver must find another team willing to take on that contract. That roadblock is hard to overcome. Man losing out on AI would really suck. Maybe Melo can convince AI to say its Denver or nothing get it done.

epicSocialism4tw
12-14-2006, 03:28 AM
The thing is Minnesota has to get another team involved to get a deal done. They don't have much to offer except KG but that defeats the purpose of going after AI. Reading the realGM boards for Philly they are hoping against hope the Denver rumor isn't true. That eric guy hasn't posted on the nuggets site about the trade lately so I am not sure what to think now. Then O4L posts that the pregame on 950 said the Nuggets were a buzz as they were hearing that Denver landed Iverson. I guess only time will tell but again I am still leery.

Dallas could send them an expiring contract. I think that Dallas is interested in moving expiring deals.

RhymesayersDU
12-14-2006, 10:33 AM
If Nene and his huge contract hold this deal up, I wouldn't be surprised. That is going to be hard to move.

Minnesota will make a run (probably not Finals, but round 2 at least) with AI and KG if they can make this work. That could be a great combo.

spdirty
12-14-2006, 11:54 AM
damnit!!!!!

GonzoLays
12-14-2006, 12:17 PM
someone posted that eric posted in another place that Portland nixed the Nene deal so now Denver must find another team willing to take on that contract.

And Eric should have known this from the get. Just because Portland has Jamal Magloire's expiring contract on their books, absolutely does not mean they ever wanted Nene. I told you it was bogus from the get.

Had Portland acquired Nene for Magloire, they would have three of the most untradeable contracts in the league on one team -- Darius Miles (9 mill a year), Raef Lafrentz (11 mill) and Nene (8 mill). Not only that, but they already have 6 legit low post players in Brian Skinner, Raef Lafrentz, Joel Pryzibilla, Zach Randolph, Jamal Magloire and Lamarcus Aldridge. They never wanted Nene.

The only reason Portland got in this mess is because somebody put two and two together and thought, "If Portland would take Nene, we could acquire AI. Sounds good."

GonzoLays
12-14-2006, 12:45 PM
My darkhorse for Allen Iverson -- The Miami Heat.

They have two expiring contracts in Jason Williams and James Posey that equals 14 million dollars plus two young players in Dorrell Wright and Wayne Semien. If they threw a first rounder in there, its ovah!

If the Heat acquire Allen Iverson, I might cry. That's not fair. :(

RhymesayersDU
12-14-2006, 12:49 PM
My darkhorse for Allen Iverson -- The Miami Heat.

They have two expiring contracts in Jason Williams and James Posey that equals 14 million dollars plus two young players in Dorrell Wright and Wayne Semien. If they threw a first rounder in there, its ovah!

If the Heat acquire Allen Iverson, I might cry. That's not fair. :(

On FoxSports.com they have this section called Dime Smack which is written by the writers of Dime Magazine.

They put it best: "AI and D-Wade? Illegal."

That would be a nasty duo, and even though Shaq isn't shaq anymore, when he comes back they would be a force to reckon with.

GonzoLays
12-14-2006, 12:55 PM
On FoxSports.com they have this section called Dime Smack which is written by the writers of Dime Magazine.

They put it best: "AI and D-Wade? Illegal."

That would be a nasty duo, and even though Shaq isn't shaq anymore, when he comes back they would be a force to reckon with.

THAT'S NOT FAIR!!!!!!!!!

NOOOOO!!!

THIS CAN'T BE.

I MIGHT STOP WATCHING THE NBA.

epicSocialism4tw
12-14-2006, 12:59 PM
On FoxSports.com they have this section called Dime Smack which is written by the writers of Dime Magazine.

They put it best: "AI and D-Wade? Illegal."

That would be a nasty duo, and even though Shaq isn't shaq anymore, when he comes back they would be a force to reckon with.

I dont think that that would work. They are both ball-dominating two guards. If I am the Heat, I dont want Iverson anywhere near the ball when Wade is on the floor. Wade is a much more efficient player.

They perform the same role. Who is going to take the back seat?

Iverson will not give up the ball. I dont see that situation being beneficial for either the Heat or Iverson. Iverson just wants to win scoring titles. He's a career loser. Wade is the opposite.

GonzoLays
12-14-2006, 01:02 PM
I dont think that that would work. They are both ball-dominating two guards. If I am the Heat, I dont want Iverson anywhere near the ball when Wade is on the floor. Wade is a much more efficient player.

They perform the same role. Who is going to take the back seat?

Iverson will not give up the ball. I dont see that situation being beneficial for either the Heat or Iverson. Iverson just wants to win scoring titles. He's a career loser. Wade is the opposite.

I think Iverson gets a bad rap as a 'ball hog' because hasn't played with anybody. It's not like Iverson has been stealing shots from all-stars. Who is he suppose to pass the ball to?

GonzoLays
12-14-2006, 01:04 PM
And secondly, how anybody can call this guy a loser is beyond me.

Let me see another superstar lead Eric Snow, Aarron Mckie, Tyrone Hill and Mutombo to a 50 win season and two wins away from the NBA championship. It can't be done.

epicSocialism4tw
12-14-2006, 01:09 PM
I think Iverson gets a bad rap as a 'ball hog' because hasn't played with anybody. It's not like Iverson has been stealing shots from all-stars. Who is he suppose to pass the ball to?

They have talent on that team. In San Antonio, Bruce Bowen, 55 year olds Robt Horry and Brent Barry, Fabricio Oberto, and even Flyin' Francisco Elson are effective. In fact, nearly every player that gets minutes next to Duncan at any point in their careers is effective in whatever role they perform.

Philly has talent. Iguodala isnt any good? I would absolutely love to have that kid on Dallas. Imagine him in Phoenix catching balls from Nash. Webber isnt the old Webber, but he can give you some effective minutes, Korver is a player, Carney can play, and Dalembert has talent.

If Dallas can extract minutes from Diop and Keith Van Horn, there's no reason why Philly cant extract minutes from those guys. If Korver played in San Antonio, he would be a killer. Same for Dalembert, Webber, Carney, and especially Iguodala.

epicSocialism4tw
12-14-2006, 01:10 PM
And secondly, how anybody can call this guy a loser is beyond me.

Let me see another superstar lead Eric Snow, Aarron Mckie, Tyrone Hill and Mutombo to a 50 win season and two wins away from the NBA championship. It can't be done.

It can in the East.

GonzoLays
12-14-2006, 02:47 PM
They have talent on that team. In San Antonio, Bruce Bowen, 55 year olds Robt Horry and Brent Barry, Fabricio Oberto, and even Flyin' Francisco Elson are effective. In fact, nearly every player that gets minutes next to Duncan at any point in their careers is effective in whatever role they perform.

Philly has talent. Iguodala isnt any good? I would absolutely love to have that kid on Dallas. Imagine him in Phoenix catching balls from Nash. Webber isnt the old Webber, but he can give you some effective minutes, Korver is a player, Carney can play, and Dalembert has talent.

If Dallas can extract minutes from Diop and Keith Van Horn, there's no reason why Philly cant extract minutes from those guys. If Korver played in San Antonio, he would be a killer. Same for Dalembert, Webber, Carney, and especially Iguodala.

If that's the case, why is Philly 0-4 without Iverson? If they had "talent" they would not have been blown out in two of their past four games. If Iguadola was so 'great' he would be averaging 22-25 points per game without Iverson. But since he is not, he is only averaging 2 more points a game since Iverson sat out despite 30+ more shot being available. Just because the guy can dunk does make him a great player.

They are a terrible team. That is why they are 5-14.

theAPAOps5
12-14-2006, 02:55 PM
If you guys want to see some funny stuff go over to the nuggets board that was linked on page 6. Apparently Sandy clough mentioned a fan forum and these guys went ballistic. They are now calling for the board to be closed to members only and to members who have only registered in the past week. That is some funny stuff man!

rubaiyat
12-14-2006, 02:58 PM
They have talent on that team. In San Antonio, Bruce Bowen, 55 year olds Robt Horry and Brent Barry, Fabricio Oberto, and even Flyin' Francisco Elson are effective. In fact, nearly every player that gets minutes next to Duncan at any point in their careers is effective in whatever role they perform.

Philly has talent. Iguodala isnt any good? I would absolutely love to have that kid on Dallas. Imagine him in Phoenix catching balls from Nash. Webber isnt the old Webber, but he can give you some effective minutes, Korver is a player, Carney can play, and Dalembert has talent.

If Dallas can extract minutes from Diop and Keith Van Horn, there's no reason why Philly cant extract minutes from those guys. If Korver played in San Antonio, he would be a killer. Same for Dalembert, Webber, Carney, and especially Iguodala.

Korver plays no defense. He doesn't hustle. He's a much less talented Horry...just younger.

GonzoLays
12-14-2006, 02:59 PM
If you guys want to see some funny stuff go over to the nuggets board that was linked on page 6. Apparently Sandy clough mentioned a fan forum and these guys went ballistic. They are now calling for the board to be closed to members only and to members who have only registered in the past week. That is some funny stuff man!

What's the link?

theAPAOps5
12-14-2006, 03:32 PM
What's the link?

www.nuggets.proboards1.com

Once there click on nuggets talk. Then look for the AI trade rumors thread. It is something like 22 pages. The last few pages are members going nuts about Clough and the trade rumors.

epicSocialism4tw
12-14-2006, 04:20 PM
If that's the case, why is Philly 0-4 without Iverson? If they had "talent" they would not have been blown out in two of their past four games. If Iguadola was so 'great' he would be averaging 22-25 points per game without Iverson. But since he is not, he is only averaging 2 more points a game since Iverson sat out despite 30+ more shot being available. Just because the guy can dunk does make him a great player.

They are a terrible team. That is why they are 5-14.

They were terrible with Iverson. Iverson has a career .500 record. I cant think of another "superstar" player who has had a long career that is as mediocre as that.

Iverson is not a winner.

DomCasual
12-14-2006, 04:54 PM
www.nuggets.proboards1.com

Once there click on nuggets talk. Then look for the AI trade rumors thread. It is something like 22 pages. The last few pages are members going nuts about Clough and the trade rumors.

My favorite is this, from Lubick:

Okay guys, it's time to come clean:

I am Sandy Clough.

And I have the herpes.

Thanks for listening,
Sandy Clough

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

theAPAOps5
12-14-2006, 05:30 PM
My favorite is this, from Lubick:

Okay guys, it's time to come clean:

I am Sandy Clough.

And I have the herpes.

Thanks for listening,
Sandy Clough

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Hilarious!

RhymesayersDU
12-14-2006, 05:31 PM
They have talent on that team. In San Antonio, Bruce Bowen, 55 year olds Robt Horry and Brent Barry, Fabricio Oberto, and even Flyin' Francisco Elson are effective. In fact, nearly every player that gets minutes next to Duncan at any point in their careers is effective in whatever role they perform.

Philly has talent. Iguodala isnt any good? I would absolutely love to have that kid on Dallas. Imagine him in Phoenix catching balls from Nash. Webber isnt the old Webber, but he can give you some effective minutes, Korver is a player, Carney can play, and Dalembert has talent.

If Dallas can extract minutes from Diop and Keith Van Horn, there's no reason why Philly cant extract minutes from those guys. If Korver played in San Antonio, he would be a killer. Same for Dalembert, Webber, Carney, and especially Iguodala.

llama, I realize you dislike Iverson. We've had this discussion on this board before, and you don't like the guy. That's fine, we all have our opinions.

However, I think your post is off base because you're comparing bench players to starters. For example, you say that in San Antonio, all those players are effective. For one, Bruce Bowen can play some ball. He was invited to the Team USA Summer Tryouts for a reason. Secondly, you fail to mention that those guys get to play around 3 players who have made All-Star Teams. Duncan and Ginobli have made All-Star teams, and I'm pretty sure Parker has too but I can't remember exactly. I think he was a reserve last year or two years ago, but I forget.

Same argument with Dallas. Yeah, you guys extracted minutes from KVH, but it's off the bench. What would happen if instead of playing 10-15 minutes a night KVH started every night playing 30+ minutes? The outcome might be different.

It's simply not the same. In Philly, KVH might be starting, just to use an example. Philly doesn't have 3 All-Stars like San Antonio. I will grant you that Dallas only has one star in Dirk, but I'd argue that Jason Terry is about as close to an All-Star you can get, but he gets lost behind Nash and others at the PG spot. Point is, there's a reason Dallas made the Finals last year. Because they have a quality starting 5. When you have a great starting 5, of course it's easy to get quality minutes here and there from bench players. In Philly, some of the bench players you mentioned might be starting, or fighting for starting spots.

I do like Iguodala, and I think Dalembert has potential, but Korver has been wildly inconsistent, and Webber is simply a jump shooter now, not a PF. Who else does that team even have?

Larry Brown and AI performed some magic that year they took Philly to the Finals. Hell, that team had to play 4 on 5 on offense because Mutombo was inept. That was not an NBA Finals team, no matter how bad the East is/was.

I think AI has carried the 76ers as best he could for all these years, and they have provided nobody around him (Iguodala is the best one) to help him out.

GonzoLays
12-14-2006, 05:36 PM
Per Howard Eskin of some Philly radio station, the insider on the Philly Sixer board plus, and ESPN, ALLEN IVERSON WILL BE DEALT TO EITHER DENVER OR BOSTON.

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

GonzoLays
12-14-2006, 05:38 PM
It's coming down to the wire, fellas!

Boston

OR

Denver

One of us is going to be sooooore after this. I hope it aint me!!

GonzoLays
12-14-2006, 05:44 PM
Here is the deal, Boston has the best offer on the table, but Billy King wants Iverson out of the EC. Also, Denver is working with a third team to get the deal to go through.

He is waiting on Denver and weighing the options.

Jens1893
12-14-2006, 05:47 PM
Here is the deal, Boston has the best offer on the table, but Billy King wants Iverson out of the EC. Also, Denver is working with a third team to get the deal to through.

He is waiting on Denver and weighing the options.

The Nuggets canīt deal Nene until tomorrow, so you better hope something happens tonight.

RhymesayersDU
12-14-2006, 05:48 PM
Wow. Interesting. Go Nugs.

GonzoLays
12-14-2006, 05:51 PM
They were terrible with Iverson. Iverson has a career .500 record. I cant think of another "superstar" player who has had a long career that is as mediocre as that.

Iverson is not a winner.

And Jason Terry was the biggest loser this league has ever seen when he played for Atlanta. Now, he is the starting PG for a team that has as good of a chance to win the title as any.

The NBA is a player's league. The more talent you have the floor, the 'better' everyone becomes. Including the coach.

Philly sucked with Iverson (5-10), and they hella suck without him (0-4). They have the most mismatched, least talented roster in the league. If Dirk played for the Sixers, they still would be a lottery team.

theAPAOps5
12-14-2006, 05:51 PM
Well King is a moron if he deals Iverson to his teams rival. Its not just the ramifications of playing Iverson a lot its what the fans will do. That will be the end for king. Only time will tell I guess.

GonzoLays
12-14-2006, 05:53 PM
The Nuggets canīt deal Nene until tomorrow, so you better hope something happens tonight.

You are right. I might not sleep tonight. Hey, that rhymes. Can't wait to see a Boston Celtic like Allen Iverson dishing dimes.

WHAT?

oooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

It's a sign. AI will be a Celtic.

GonzoLays
12-14-2006, 05:56 PM
Well King is a moron if he deals Iverson to his teams rival. Its not just the ramifications of playing Iverson a lot its what the fans will do. That will be the end for king. Only time will tell I guess.

No, King is a smart man if he takes the best deal (which is Boston). It is not as if Philly is going to be competing for any division crowns in the next three years. They are rebuilding. So who cares if he plays in the East? Taking the lesser deal to get him out of the EC is moronic.

theAPAOps5
12-14-2006, 05:57 PM
Here is another little gem from the great Clough conspiracy:

"EDIT: Sandy also made it sound like it was a board he doesn't frequent, that the nuggets were using the board like a guerrila campaign to cover bases, ie put the word out but not really be held accountable. No mention that the poster has come thru with good info in the past or that he had any history reading the board or poster."

Now teams use message boards for guerrila trade warfare! LOL

GonzoLays
12-14-2006, 06:04 PM
Apparently, the sixer insider on the Philly board is saying that Iverson will be a Nugget. Trade will go down tomorrow.

The Guilty Party wrote:
By the way, something we haven't talked about is how much SixerFan's rep is going to change AFTER the Iverson trade is done.

The man is either going to be treated like a king who's every post will be read and quoted for years to come

OR

The man is going to become the laughing stock of the RealGM Forums who will have a hard time posting without someone clowning him about "that time he told everyone that Iverson was going to Denver"


Us guys from the Denver board have torches and pitchforks ready to go if we've been duped.

RhymesayersDU
12-14-2006, 06:07 PM
No, King is a smart man if he takes the best deal (which is Boston). It is not as if Philly is going to be competing for any division crowns in the next three years. They are rebuilding. So who cares if he plays in the East? Taking the lesser deal to get him out of the EC is moronic.

I agree... to a point. Speaking in basketball terms only, you take the best deal.

But, professional sports is a business, and it's not always just about the play on the floor. Last night they mentioned on SportsCenter that yesterday's 76ers game only had 11,000 people show up to it.

Now, what happens if, theoretically, AI and Pierce go on a tear, make a deep run into the playoffs, etc? You're going to have a lot of pissed off, disillusioned 76ers fans. I'm not saying that AI makes Boston a title contender, but just think what would happen if Boston instantly got good, won games, etc. You have a fan base that is already shook at the fact that AI is leaving, meanwhile they see him helping a rival team win. Meanwhile, the 76ers still suck and are rebuilding. At least if you ship him to another conference altogether it doesn't hurt as much.

Again, I agree, from a purely Basketball standpoint, 76ers need the best players/expiring contracts/draft picks it can get. But people are already not showing up to games with AI. Him going to the Celtics probably won't help that.

theAPAOps5
12-14-2006, 06:16 PM
Apparently, the sixer insider on the Philly board is saying that Iverson will be a Nugget. Trade will go down tomorrow.

The Guilty Party wrote:
By the way, something we haven't talked about is how much SixerFan's rep is going to change AFTER the Iverson trade is done.

The man is either going to be treated like a king who's every post will be read and quoted for years to come

OR

The man is going to become the laughing stock of the RealGM Forums who will have a hard time posting without someone clowning him about "that time he told everyone that Iverson was going to Denver"


Us guys from the Denver board have torches and pitchforks ready to go if we've been duped.

Actually if AI doesn't come here after all watching that Philly Board and the nuggets board go off on supposed rumors and leaks was definately worth the time invested.

GonzoLays
12-14-2006, 06:17 PM
I agree... to a point. Speaking in basketball terms only, you take the best deal.

But, professional sports is a business, and it's not always just about the play on the floor. Last night they mentioned on SportsCenter that yesterday's 76ers game only had 11,000 people show up to it.

Now, what happens if, theoretically, AI and Pierce go on a tear, make a deep run into the playoffs, etc? You're going to have a lot of pissed off, disillusioned 76ers fans. I'm not saying that AI makes Boston a title contender, but just think what would happen if Boston instantly got good, won games, etc. You have a fan base that is already shook at the fact that AI is leaving, meanwhile they see him helping a rival team win. Meanwhile, the 76ers still suck and are rebuilding. At least if you ship him to another conference altogether it doesn't hurt as much.

Again, I agree, from a purely Basketball standpoint, 76ers need the best players/expiring contracts/draft picks it can get. But people are already not showing up to games with AI. Him going to the Celtics probably won't help that.


Yea, you are right. I'm wrong.

I'm worn out.

We'll see if the Iverson +1 superstar thing will workout afterall. Most likely, he will be playing with Carmelo.

AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Man, what a wasted week.

GonzoLays
12-14-2006, 06:21 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=50555&page=5

Latest update from Marc Stein of ESPN. Says the Nuggest are the frontrunners right now.

Master___Pain
12-14-2006, 06:59 PM
Damn...nuggpuppy booted me off. I'd registered awhile back but never posted and they must have scrubbed my log in and email. Now I can't access it...CO or Nuggs4, can you help me out?

GonzoLays
12-14-2006, 07:14 PM
Here is the insider's post at the Sixer's board. He says Iverson to Denver.

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There is light at the end of the tunnel...its almost over.

Miami's late interest is postering by Pat Riley to get someone to overpay for AI..or at least pay more than they are currently offering.

Minny has been the most active caller this morning..trying to get a three way together before its too late but its not working.....no one wants their bad contracts.

Chad Ford was dead on in his chat today when he said that Portland and Charlotte are the third teams in most scenarios that are concocted. Almost every scenario the Sixers are picking thru this morning has one or both of them involved.(Dallas the other team mentioned as third party) Sixers would be getting Magliore and/or Brevin Knight in most of these scenarios.

Denver even has floated some offers involved that include TWO first round picks.

The following teams are all out of the running for AI:
IND
BOS
GSW
LAC
SAC
MIA
CHA
MIN

Which leaves.....one team.....the soon to be winner of the AI race...the Denver Nuggets. The details are not finalized.....and may change in several variations that are being discussed......both 2 and multi team trades...but your winner is the DENVER NUGGETS, barring a last minute breakdown.

I was told a trade of AI to the Nuggets WILL happen by end of day tomorrow.

The variations.....could be a combination of the below..but this is what I was told is involved.(could be some or all...lots of variables right now)

1 to 2 first round picks.
Joe Smith and/or Eduardo Najera
Andre Miller or Brevin Knight
1 of Magliore,Croshere or some other expiring contract(still trying to find Nene 3-way opportunities)

Some, but not the front burner variations, include Samuel Dalembert.

None of the variations include Camby,JR Smith or Kenyon Martin.

I will take 5 minutes of questions...before I have to run for now.

Hercules Rockefeller
12-14-2006, 07:22 PM
If this draft is as deep as people say it is, hope they can find a way to keep one of the 1sts.

Nuggets4
12-14-2006, 07:54 PM
Damn...nuggpuppy booted me off. I'd registered awhile back but never posted and they must have scrubbed my log in and email. Now I can't access it...CO or Nuggs4, can you help me out?

What was your username? I'll get you back on. Because of Sandy Clough, they're cleaning out some of the lurkers. Drop me an email. james at massivemusicamerica dot com.

Master___Pain
12-14-2006, 08:09 PM
What was your username? I'll get you back on. Because of Sandy Clough, they're cleaning out some of the lurkers. Drop me an email. james at massivemusicamerica dot com.

Same as here, just no under scores. Tell sherky that I posted in his "Are you a true Nuggets fan?" thread

theAPAOps5
12-14-2006, 08:10 PM
What was your username? I'll get you back on. Because of Sandy Clough, they're cleaning out some of the lurkers. Drop me an email. james at massivemusicamerica dot com.

Nuggs anything out there you hearing. That eric guy has been pretty quiet lately.

Nuggets4
12-14-2006, 08:57 PM
Nuggs anything out there you hearing. That eric guy has been pretty quiet lately.

He's underground right now. Rumors around the boards are getting hot and heavy. At the risk of sounding like a complete tool, I'm starting to think this deal doesn't include Nene OR Dre. I think we might be making out like bandits here.

Clockwork Orange
12-14-2006, 09:06 PM
He's underground right now. Rumors around the boards are getting hot and heavy. At the risk of sounding like a complete tool, I'm starting to think this deal doesn't include Nene OR Dre. I think we might be making out like bandits here.

How could they make the salaries match up without at least one of them being involved? I seriously doubt they're offering up Camby as it wouldn't make sense to lose him for the sake of keeping Miller.

Jens1893
12-14-2006, 09:17 PM
How could they make the salaries match up without at least one of them being involved? I seriously doubt they're offering up Camby as it wouldn't make sense to lose him for the sake of keeping Miller.

There is always K-Mart.

Hercules Rockefeller
12-14-2006, 09:26 PM
King is not Isaih Thomas

RhymesayersDU
12-14-2006, 09:29 PM
If we let go of Camby, that would show a huge faith in Nene to not only be healthy, but that he'll pan out.

Interesting times, that's for sure...

But here's a what-if for you:
Starting lineup, 2007:
AI
JR
Melo
K-Mart
Nene

theAPAOps5
12-14-2006, 09:37 PM
I was listening to fan 950 this morning and they speculated that Stan Kronke might just say F it and bust the cap and take a hit in luxury tax. He always says the Nuggets are his pride and joy and wants to win. With the merchandise and tickets that AI coming would bring on top of Melo that could diflect the hit. Maybe he is just saying I don't care if we keep Nene get this mofo here!

RhymesayersDU
12-14-2006, 09:43 PM
I was listening to fan 950 this morning and they speculated that Stan Kronke might just say F it and bust the cap and take a hit in luxury tax. He always says the Nuggets are his pride and joy and wants to win. With the merchandise and tickets that AI coming would bring on top of Melo that could diflect the hit. Maybe he is just saying I don't care if we keep Nene get this mofo here!

It will be an interesting thing to follow, the business side of the NBA. There was an article in the Post last week about the Nuggets' attendance was low this year. The article speculated that it was because of the ticket increase (23%, if I remember correctly) but also mentioned the fact that no great teams have come to Denver yet. (The only team even remotely good at the time of the article was Minnesota, and even now the only other interesting team to come through is the Heat with DWade)

But as I stated earlier in this thread, the other night on SportsCenter they mentioned that the 76ers only drew 11K fans the other night, the lowest in a long time... So needless to say, AI puts asses in the seats... And if the Nuggs can go on a run, man Pepsi could potentially be rocking this year.

There will be a lot of revenue to be made off AI, especially if both him and Melo represent the Nuggets in Vegas this year.

Clockwork Orange
12-14-2006, 09:46 PM
There is always K-Mart.

The Sixers aren't going to take on the remaining years of Kenyon's deal. They're currently counting down the days until they get out from under the contract of Chris Webber (another highly paid microfracture surgery patient), so there's no way they'd want him.

rubaiyat
12-14-2006, 09:53 PM
How could they make the salaries match up without at least one of them being involved? I seriously doubt they're offering up Camby as it wouldn't make sense to lose him for the sake of keeping Miller.

Joe Smith, Najera, Boykins all, depending on how they work their contracts are expiring.

6.8+4.6+3.0 = 14.4 million

Which is 2.8 million short of AI, and works (easily actually) under the current CBA.

Don't know why they'd go for anything like that, but there is an answer.

If we let go of Camby, that would show a huge faith in Nene to not only be healthy, but that he'll pan out.

Interesting times, that's for sure...

But here's a what-if for you:
Starting lineup, 2007:
AI
JR
Melo
K-Mart
Nene

That might be it later in the season, but I honestly don't see K-mart being anything more than MAYBE a figure head starter (perhaps technically starting, but not gettin the majority of the minutes) next year.

He'll be coming off one year of rehab on a second microfractured knee. It took a guy half a decade younger more than a year to get back into form from just one such surgery.

Perhaps by midseason he'll be ready to hang with West Power Forwards, but if the FO has learned anything from this debacle is to make sure your players are fit to play (Karl's personal idiosyncracies notwithstanding).

GonzoLays
12-14-2006, 10:10 PM
Joe Smith, Najera, Boykins all, depending on how they work their contracts are expiring.

6.8+4.6+3.0 = 14.4 million

Which is 2.8 million short of AI, and works (easily actually) under the current CBA.

Don't know why they'd go for anything like that, but there is an answer.

Let's say that was the deal. Joe Smith, Najera, Boykins and two first round draft picks. Next season, the Nuggets would have 73 million dollars tied up between six players. That means Kroenke is going have a payroll hovering around 85 million dollars next season. An increase of around 22 million in salary from this season + 17 million in luxury tax expenses.

So in the end, if that is deal, Kroenke is going to hand over 40(!) million more dollars then he would normally had he not acquired Allen Iverson.

Is Allen Iverson worth 40 million dollars a year? That's a lot of pepsi and cotton candy if you ask me.

GonzoLays
12-14-2006, 10:14 PM
And keep in mind that JR Smith is coming up for an extension after next season. If you acquire AI, you can say goodbye to JR. Unless Kroenke wants to jump out of character and roll like he is James Dolan or Mark Cuban.

GonzoLays
12-14-2006, 10:16 PM
If you don't land AI, you can blame Nene's dumb ass.

That might the dumbest signing I have ever seen. 6 years, 60 million for a guy who was coming off knee surgery, has never averaged more than 11 pts or 6 rebounds in a season, and there was no market for him.

rubaiyat
12-14-2006, 10:22 PM
Let's say that was the deal. Joe Smith, Najera, Boykins and two first round draft picks. Next season, the Nuggets would have 73 million dollars tied up between six players. That means Kroenke is going have a payroll hovering around 85 million dollars next season. An increase of around 22 million in salary from this season + 17 million in luxury tax expenses.

So in the end, if that is deal, Kroenke is going to hand over 40(!) million more dollars then he would normally had he not acquired Allen Iverson.

Is Allen Iverson worth 40 million dollars a year? That's a lot of pepsi and cotton candy if you ask me.


No doubt. That is a win now move. It doesn't exactly hamstring us, though I don't necessarily like giving up BOTH picks (smacks too much of the bad Kiki, good Kiki GOT us picks)

I mean we'll have 6 big contracts, but Camby's will be winding down, and we know Melo will be worth it. We have to HOPE K-mart can come back to at least be serviceable and that Nene will develop into a (by the West's standards) good F/C. I see AI being great to tailing off to merely good during the life of his contract.

The only thing weird is that Andre is the odd man out. I mean AI will want the ball, though Andre is good in getting our front court easy baskets. But what do you do with him? Dre isn't a spark off the bench and he can't play with AI.

And JR is just going to get more and more minutes (assuming his minutes are the ones that AI takes). He'll take some back over the years and Dre will become even more marginalized.

Oh well...maybe in 2 years we trade Dre's expiring contract along with K-mart (who will bounce back hopefully) for another disgruntled superstar...right around when AI will have lost a step.

rubaiyat
12-14-2006, 10:25 PM
If you don't land AI, you can blame Nene's dumb ass.

That might the dumbest signing I have ever seen. 6 years, 60 million for a guy who was coming off knee surgery, has never averaged more than 11 pts or 6 rebounds in a season, and there was no market for him.

I have to agree. At the time, they justified it by saying they wanted it done quickly before the market moved and they might have to pay even MORE.

I guess they saw what Curry and Chandler got.

Say hello to Gooden and Wilcox...

An 27+ million dollar contract over 3 years would be infinitely more moveable for a 24 year old big, even with the knee surgery. Not easy, but moveable.

I think they listened to the wrong "insiders" or had people knew they were bugged and were feeding us crap.

theAPAOps5
12-14-2006, 10:28 PM
Nene contract was Dah UMB. Another billiant move by wonder boy Kiki. Same guy who was rumored to want Darko OVER Melo and James.

GonzoLays
12-14-2006, 10:32 PM
No doubt. That is a win now move. It doesn't exactly hamstring us, though I don't necessarily like giving up BOTH picks (smacks too much of the bad Kiki, good Kiki GOT us picks)



That's the thing, Kroenke has been trading away draft picks to avoid paying the luxury tax forever. Have no doubt of this.

But with Iverson, Kroenke has to say hello to the luxury tax for the next three years AT LEAST. Thats a HUGE move for him. Huge.

He goes from making money, to losing money. The Nuggs might be the object of his affection, but everybody has a breaking point. I seriously doubt he wants to take money out of his own pocket to watch the Nuggs for the next three years.

rubaiyat
12-14-2006, 10:49 PM
Nene contract was Dah UMB. Another billiant move by wonder boy Kiki. Same guy who was rumored to want Darko OVER Melo and James.

That wasn't Kiki. That was the current FO...or at least an interim team.

We know Kiki's weaknesses, but let's not forget how utterly crappy the Nuggs were before he started the moves.

Half of it is an owner willing to spend, but he made good moves to help the Nuggets get relevant again.

That's the thing, Kroenke has been trading away draft picks to avoid paying the luxury tax forever. Have no doubt of this.

But with Iverson, Kroenke has to say hello to the luxury tax for the next three years AT LEAST. Thats a HUGE move for him. Huge.

He goes from making money, to losing money. The Nuggs might be the object of his affection, but everybody has a breaking point. I seriously doubt he wants to take money out of his own pocket to watch the Nuggs for the next three years.


He goes to PAYING more money. We don't know Nuggets finances, so we can't tell if he'd be in the red. But having possibly 2 near locks for the All-star game for the next 2-3 years can't hurt the bottom line.

Or what a championship might do.

It's out of character, but we'll see.

Clockwork Orange
12-14-2006, 10:53 PM
If you don't land AI, you can blame Nene's dumb ass.

That might the dumbest signing I have ever seen. 6 years, 60 million for a guy who was coming off knee surgery, has never averaged more than 11 pts or 6 rebounds in a season, and there was no market for him.

And if you don't land him, you can blame geography. :welcome:

Jens1893
12-15-2006, 12:52 AM
Can the Nuggets even trade both 07 #1s? As far as i know you cannot go 2 years without having a first rounder ... and didnīt the Nuggetsī 06 #1 end up in New York?

spdirty
12-15-2006, 01:56 AM
Can the Nuggets even trade both 07 #1s? As far as i know you cannot go 2 years without having a first rounder ... and didnīt the Nuggetsī 06 #1 end up in New York?

if that doesnt work, they can deal a #1 this year and a #1 next year. Then it'd work

Nuggets4
12-15-2006, 02:27 AM
You remember how I said that if we got AI cheap that I would go on a week long bender?

Let's just say I'm swinging by Liquor Mart soon if the rumors are true... I hate to be cryptic, but we're under specific orders here. Nugs fans, if the conference call tomorrow morning goes like they expect, we're going to be VERY happy.

Rascal
12-15-2006, 02:36 AM
Where is here?

Rascal
12-15-2006, 02:39 AM
And one question...does it involve midget?

Hercules Rockefeller
12-15-2006, 02:42 AM
1 or both 1sts gone?

Nuggets4
12-15-2006, 02:42 AM
Here is a small Nugs board that I've been posting on since 96. WEird board, but it's hoppin' right now.

EDIT -- guys, I just CAN'T give away any details. I promise, if it doesn't go down, I'll eventually fill you in. Just know that I trust this guy and he seems VERY optimistic about the deal.

spdirty
12-15-2006, 02:51 AM
My guess is Joe Smith, Andre, 2 firsts

ND Bronco Fan
12-15-2006, 11:08 AM
What the heck........the Nuggets board I have visited over the last few just locked out anyone but existing members, sure I never registered and was just lurking but I was not posting junk either which some of their existing members seemed to be doing....I only post when I have something to add, Mock should try that but anyways back to my point-----why lock out people when you are getting more traffic to your site and thus increasing interest level in the team. Just pissed me off I guess.

GSRelyea
12-15-2006, 11:18 AM
Denver trying to seal a deal for A.I.
Source: Nuggets "in driver's seat"
By Mark Kiszla and Marc J. Spears
Denver Post Staff Writers
Article Last Updated:12/15/2006 01:23:31 AM MST


Philadelphia 76ers guard Allen Iverson has a career scoring average of 28.1 points per game. (NBAE / Getty Images / Jesse D. Garrabrant)As the front-runner to acquire Allen Iverson from the Philadelphia 76ers, the Nuggets are pushing hard to complete a trade for the 31-year-old point guard as early as today.

According to league sources, the Nuggets are leading the race for Iverson by working aggressively to meet the demands of Philadelphia, which seeks the salary-cap flexibility provided by expiring contracts of veteran players and the draft picks required to rebuild its roster.

With two first-round picks in the 2007 draft, the Nuggets have positioned themselves in "the driver's seat" and are "leading the pack" against league rivals also looking to acquire Iverson, according to a source familiar with negotiations.

It's a complicated trade, however, that would involve at least five players, three teams and two draft choices, plus the approval of Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke and Sixers chairman Ed Snider.

From all indications, Philadelphia is more concerned with financial freedom than the raw ability of the players it receives in return for Iverson and his $17.1 million salary.

Key to completing the deal is Denver's ability to persuade a third team to get involved in the trade, with the Nuggets working on at least two fronts Thursday, holding discussions with Dallas and Portland.

For Philadelphia's purposes, the most desirable trade bait on Denver's roster is Joe Smith, not for his 5.6 scoring average, but because the veteran big man is earning $6.8 million in the final year of his contract.

With the exception of Smith and two draft picks, however, Denver's end of the deal remains fluid, and could include forward Eduardo Najera, according to an NBA source.

To satisfy the 76ers' desire for as many expiring contracts as possible, league sources said Denver has held trade talks with Dallas regarding forward Austin Croshere ($7.3 million salary) and Portland for Jamaal Magloire ($8.4 million), both role players in the final year of what would be considered bad contracts except in this situation.

Frustrated by earlier attempts to pry Magloire from Portland by offering Nene, the Nuggets have heard from other less-than-benevolent potential trade partners, including Chicago. The Bulls, however, had their sights set on center Marcus Camby, whom Denver has no interest in moving.

The hefty financial weight of Nene's new, long-term contract has diminished chances he will be included in the trade.

With the seventh-best record in the Western Conference this season and not so much as a single playoff series won since 1994, Denver is willing to take a chance on Iverson's history of off-court drama to obtain his 28.1 career scoring average and a fierce competitiveness that makes the skinny guard the most intimidating player on the court.

"He's unstoppable," Nuggets forward Carmelo Anthony said of Iverson, currently the top vote-getter among Eastern Conference guards in balloting for the NBA All-Star Game. "That pretty much explains what he can do on the court."

Although guard J.R. Smith's name has been floated in discussions, the Nuggets hope to retain him, sources indicated, because this deal will depend more on the fine print of contracts than talent.

Other reported suitors for Iverson include the Los Angeles Clippers, Minnesota, Boston and Miami. Although Philadelphia has indicated interest in getting a deal done quickly, if the Sixers decide to wait, the list of competitors against Denver could grow. That's why the Nuggets are in a hurry to end the competition.

Staff writer Mark Kiszla can be reached at 303-954-1053 or mkiszla@denverpost.com.

spdirty
12-15-2006, 11:37 AM
What the heck........the Nuggets board I have visited over the last few just locked out anyone but existing members, sure I never registered and was just lurking but I was not posting junk either which some of their existing members seemed to be doing....I only post when I have something to add, Mock should try that but anyways back to my point-----why lock out people when you are getting more traffic to your site and thus increasing interest level in the team. Just pissed me off I guess.

Blame Sandy Clough

spdirty
12-15-2006, 11:46 AM
2nd guy in that deal is Miller. Someone HAS to want him.

Hercules Rockefeller
12-15-2006, 12:04 PM
Blame Sandy Clough

Blame whoever e-mailed Clough and alerted him to the posts. Sandy was doing his job when he found the stuff, but was a moron for saying where he got it and reading it almost verbatim.

Master___Pain
12-15-2006, 12:44 PM
I'm dying here....this deal has to go down ASAP...whether it's the Nuggets or not, the suspense is killing me.

GonzoLays
12-15-2006, 02:17 PM
MyFox Colorado is reporting that a deal for Iverson is close:

NBA league sources say that the Denver Nuggets are close to a deal that would bring All-star point guard Allen Iverson from the Philadelphia 76ers to the Mile High City.

The sources say the deal could be reached as early as Friday.

Iverson demanded a trade from Philadelphia, where he has played his entire career.

A source familiar with negotiations sas it would be a complicated trade involving at least three teams and at least five players. In addition, the Nuggets would likely have to give up both of their first round draft picks in the next draft.

Philadelphia 76ers management has said every team in the NBA contacted them about acquiring Iverson.

The point-guard is the leading vote-getter at his position in the Eastern Conference in All-star balloting.

GSRelyea
12-15-2006, 03:06 PM
The good news is that whether the trade goes down or not --- we still get to play the Celtics and Knicks this weekend!!!

rubaiyat
12-15-2006, 03:53 PM
Blame Sandy Clough

I would blame whoever from that board that emailed they had an insider.

What a tool, needing to get some props, from a sports show at the expense of having access to a legit insider.

DomCasual
12-15-2006, 04:17 PM
I would blame whoever from that board that emailed they had an insider.

What a tool, needing to get some props, from a sports show at the expense of having access to a legit insider.

Call me crazy, but I would probably blame the Insider that leaked stuff to a public messageboard in hopes that it would never make it to someone in the media.

But I'm a cynic.

Master___Pain
12-15-2006, 04:49 PM
Call me crazy, but I would probably blame the Insider that leaked stuff to a public messageboard in hopes that it would never make it to someone in the media.

But I'm a cynic.

Normally you'd be right, but the mbb in question appreciates the insider and also wants to protect him/her from losing their job. They don't want to risk losing the insider info because some dope had to be a glory hound and befriend Sandy ****ing Clough of all people. You have to understand that the mbb has a small tight knit community. It's not like the OM by any means.

RhymesayersDU
12-15-2006, 04:55 PM
Can this thing happen already? Jeeeeez.

DomCasual
12-15-2006, 05:03 PM
Normally you'd be right, but the mbb in question appreciates the insider and also wants to protect him/her from losing their job. They don't want to risk losing the insider info because some dope had to be a glory hound and befriend Sandy ****ing Clough of all people. You have to understand that the mbb has a small tight knit community. It's not like the OM by any means.

Yeah, but the unappealing quality that would motivate someone to send the email to Sandy Clough seems very similar to the unappealing quality that would motivate someone to leak the info to his buddies on a messageboard - he probably wants to be cool. It just seems that if one is culpable, the other should be culpable, too.

That being said, my username and password don't work now either. So screw whomever sent the email to Clough, is what I say. Drag him to the nearest tree and lynch the bastard.

Master___Pain
12-15-2006, 05:13 PM
Yeah, but the unappealing quality that would motivate someone to send the email to Sandy Clough seems very similar to the unappealing quality that would motivate someone to leak the info to his buddies on a messageboard - he probably wants to be cool. It just seems that if one is culpable, the other should be culpable, too.

That being said, my username and password don't work now either. So screw whomever sent the email to Clough, is what I say. Drag him to the nearest tree and lynch the bastard.

Both good points Dom.

GonzoLays
12-15-2006, 05:45 PM
This thread took an interesting turn.

GonzoLays
12-15-2006, 05:48 PM
That being said, my username and password don't work now either. So screw whomever sent the email to Clough, is what I say. Drag him to the nearest tree and lynch the bastard.

You don't **** with another man's message board access. That's some deep ****.