New Evidence Of Flowing Water On Mars!

[epicSocialism4tw]

Just plain amazing...here you go:

http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=B193A570-E007-4F95-8E9D-A5D40224B1CA,B02745CF-33A1-4C38-97F6-18D05A7F6E69&t=s3&f=06/64&p=top_topnews&fg=&GT1=8816

[atomicbloke]

does anyone know a good donut place near downtown LA?

[Spider]

Now this excites the hell out of me , though very bad news ........ ithought water would be one of the most rare and valuble things ............ there goes my get rich quick plan ;D

[Taco John]

This is pretty huge news... Mods, please leave this on the forum for awhile. It's big news and a good diversion. :)

[Spider]

This is pretty huge news... Mods, please leave this on the forum for awhile. It's big news and a good diversion. :)

you asking Hotrod to leave this here ?

[elsid13]

Now this excites the hell out of me , though very bad news ........ ithought water would be one of the most rare and valuble things ............ there goes my get rich quick plan ;D

Selling your urine as flavored water to Faider and Chef fans isn't much of get rich plan to most folks



It is cool on the Mars thing.

[epicSocialism4tw]

They are theorizing that a large amount of ice and flowing water exists under the surface of the planet, and that occasionally water will burst forth and spill onto the surface. NASA is conceptualizing sterile tools to explore what they think are flows.

[Taco John]

you asking Hotrod to leave this here ?

If he'd be so kind.

[Spider]

Selling your urine as flavored water to Faider and Chef fans isn't much of get rich plan to most folks



It is cool on the Mars thing.
damn ........ well it was worth a shot ;D

[epicSocialism4tw]

If there is water, theoretically there will be life. So...this might be the most significant discovery in the history of science. This might be a "the world is round" moment, people.

[Spider]

If there is water, theoretically there will be life. So...this might be the most significant discovery in the history of science. This might be a "the world is round" moment, people.

world is round pfffft Hippy ;D

[elsid13]

Bet that life on Mars resembles Bobo.

[epicSocialism4tw]

world is round pfffft Hippy ;D

Where is ames at? I'm sure that there is a conspiracy theory out there for this somewhere!

[elsid13]

Where is ames at? I'm sure that there is a conspiracy theory out there for this somewhere!

he busy getting his tinfoil protection system redone

[DeusExManning]

Link is not working

[epicSocialism4tw]

http://www.nasa.gov/

[epicSocialism4tw]

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mars/main/index.html

[epicSocialism4tw]

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/163760main_PIA09028_b_full.jpg

[epicSocialism4tw]

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/163759main_PIA09028_a_full.jpg

[Bronco_Beerslug]

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[watermock]

I think I see a tiny starbucks sign down there. That's no guarantee of intelligent life however.

I wish I could find that pic of the dam/powerplant or whatever at the north pole. Taco knows what picture I'm talking about.

I said there was water on Mars years ago. I don't see the big deal with this...the water/ice eventually evaporates from the surface because of the thin atmosphere.

[Willynowei]

lol.

Like I always say with these things... A bunch of old men trying to cause a stir up to get some attention.

This is not news... There's always been theory of water flowing under mars, this is just more of the same semi-sufficient proof. The whole "water leads to life" idea is according to who? Some MSNBC news anchor? Give me a break.

Bacteria can live under unbelievably unstable cold/hot conditions, they don't need freakin flowing water. No one knows if its pure H20 its just a change in the terran they saw, this doesn't mean sh*t, its no different from their first discoveries and just brings up an age old discussion with barely any new evidence except to suggest the same thing they saw happening in older parts of the planet are proven to happen today.

wow, mars rotated? and it rotates!

You've still got a planet without an atmosphere like earth and a possible network of underground tunnels with water in them. There is ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE.

But, i'm glad we can talk about something other than the sinking ship that is our team, as evidence by the needlessly long and boring post i just wrote.

[Guessed]

I've been watching to spot on Mars from my telescope and noticing the ice buildup over the last several months. I wasn't sure what that was so I didn't call NASA. Wish I had but I didn't have their number. Oh well.

[mhgaffney]

None of this is news. There's been growing evidence for years -- not just about underground ice on Mars -- but evidence of former oceans on Mars. Which also means the planet must have had an atmosphere. Once.

What is new is that NASA has a satellite in orbit around Mars -- It arrived last summer and since, they have been moving it into a circular orbit. This satellite has the best camera we've ever sent into space. It has incredible resolution...

Soon -- very soon -- almost any day -- there should be breaking news as NASA starts to photograph the surface of Mars with this new camera.

We should know in the coming weeks and months what the heck this thing is. Check it out. They call it the glass worm. Is it artificial?

http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cydonia/asom/artifact_html/default.htm

[Spider]

None of this is news. There's been growing evidence for years -- not just about underground ice on Mars -- but evidence of former oceans on Mars. Which also means the planet must have had an atmosphere. Once.

What is new is that NASA has a satellite in orbit around Mars -- It arrived last summer and since, they have been moving it into a circular orbit. This satellite has the best camera we've ever sent into space. It has incredible resolution...

Soon -- very soon -- almost any day -- there should be breaking news as NASA starts to photograph the surface of Mars with this new camera.

We should know in the coming weeks and months what the heck this thing is. Check it out. They call it the glass worm. Is it artificial?

http://www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cydonia/asom/artifact_html/default.htm

when I saw you post on this thread I was expecting .........We used Mini Nukes on mars to fake the russians into believing there was water on mars

[mhgaffney]

when I saw you post on this thread I was expecting .........We used Mini Nukes on mars to fake the russians into believing there was water on mars

Hahahahaha!!!!!!

[Spider]

Hahahahaha!!!!!!

;D perhaps some day man kind can go to mars

[mhgaffney]

;D perhaps some day man kind can go to mars

It could also be that we went were there a very long time ago.

And we just don't remember.

[Spider]

It could also be that we went were there a very long time ago.

And we just don't remember.

oh I cant wait to hear this one ................

[BlaK-Argentina]

"Mars is OLD!" - reef shark

[Spider]

"Mars is OLD!" - reef shark

Mars has a sprained neck ?

[BlaK-Argentina]

Mars has a sprained neck ?

:rofl: :thumbs:

[Needa Pass Rush]

Photoshop.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

While there has been previous evidence, the proof has never been this conclusive. I love this stuff. My daughters favorite subjects are Science and Math which makes me proud.

[Malcontent]

I'd rather talk trucking with Spide! How's the rig runnin?

[Guessed]

BS News & World Report, Breaking News - NASA Headquarters, Houston, TX -This just in. Conclusive evidence of life on Mars has been obtained late this afternoon as little green men with one eyeball in the middle of their forehead can be seen scampering about the planet's surface trying not to be noticed. Stay tuned as more details become available.

[watermock]

It could also be that we went were there a very long time ago.

And we just don't remember.

Much more plausable that they came HERE when their planet was dying. There are certainly artifacts but nothing like a city. After a couple billion years and the wind storms, they very well could of collapsed into the sands of time. In the eons of time, Mars likely was a much different planet, and Earth was much warmer.

NASA might send the next rover to that spot I heard...the other two are not even near it. They are going to double scrub it to make sure it won't contaminate the area and get a false reading for life. I doubt they find much. It's much more likely that life is below the surface, but they might find traces in the ice. I doubt they find the little green men living underground tho.

[Spider]

I'd rather talk trucking with Spide! How's the rig runnin?

;D sweet Bro loaded pipe this morning , droped that wagon ( taking it to Montana tomorrow) went over to weatherford , they need a trailer moved , 10'6 wide 14'0 tall , 53 foot long 5 axle trailer ......Wieghing 86 thousand pounds , pulled into the Port of Entry @ a quarter to 3 , 100,00 pounds , got out of the port @ 4:30 , drapped that trailer at the other yard , my pete pulled it like nothing ;D ........... Heading out tomorrow for Montana .......... Probably comming home empty ;D

[Spider]

oh the trailer @ weathford was a Trailer mounted mud pump wiuth a complete rig up basket

[watermock]

Jesus spider...that's a monster load...they should pay you extra for that run.

I guess you got an exemption for the extra axel for the weight. High moisture corn is incredibly heavy too....

My brother runs bananas from Gulfport once in awhile....I sometimes wonder if he hasn't brought some dope into the country. Bananas are great at masking drugs. They are also very heavy.

[Ratboy]

Awesome!

[Guessed]

BS News & World Report, Breaking News - NASA Headquarters, Houston, TX -This just in. Conclusive evidence of life on Mars has been obtained late this afternoon as little green men with one eyeball in the middle of their forehead can be seen scampering about the planet's surface trying not to be noticed. Stay tuned as more details become available.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Spider]

Jesus spider...that's a monster load...they should pay you extra for that run.

250.00 an hour minium of 2 hours ......... took me 3 .. now if it is a long run then it is 5.00 per mile

[Malcontent]

Wow! half that sh!t I didn't understand..but it sure sounded cool. Kinda like an old RUSH song that you haven't heard in a while. Keep on truckin Spide! Truckers keep this ole country a rollin'!

[Spider]

Wow! half that sh!t I didn't understand..but it sure sounded cool. Kinda like an old RUSH song that you haven't heard in a while. Keep on truckin Spide! Truckers keep this ole country a rollin'!

;D the port of Entry was thrilled , the more wieght , the more they charge , I am licenced up to 150K , the average trucker is 80K ........... I do heavy haul Bro and oversized ............
the legal width is 8 foot , anything wider has to be permited , hardest part was when i was in traffic , I cant see very well , so I have to keep a cool hand ,and keep her to the right as much as I can ... People will do some of the most stupidest things , like going onto the shoulder trying to pass you on the right , Beat you to the redlight , short stop you ........... with that kind of wieght I have to watch my breaking .........But I love my Job ;D

[broncosteven]

I think Mars is well & good but would prefer to to go to the moons of Saturn or Jupiter. Mars is just a big dust ball. Having water there below the surface would be great if it is usable & not methane. I guess we would have to get to Mars 1st as a stepping stone in order to get to Jupiter or Saturn though...

[broncosteven]

;D sweet Bro loaded pipe this morning , droped that wagon ( taking it to Montana tomorrow) went over to weatherford , they need a trailer moved , 10'6 wide 14'0 tall , 53 foot long 5 axle trailer ......Wieghing 86 thousand pounds , pulled into the Port of Entry @ a quarter to 3 , 100,00 pounds , got out of the port @ 4:30 , drapped that trailer at the other yard , my pete pulled it like nothing ;D ........... Heading out tomorrow for Montana .......... Probably comming home empty ;D

Did you get to "Lay some Pipe" when you get home! LOL

[Bob's your Information Minister]

DRY LAND IS NOT A MYTH!

I've seeeeeeeeeeeen it!

[Spider]

Did you get to "Lay some Pipe" when you get home! LOL

LOL no was much too tired , I had to dolly that big bastard up , then down ......1 advantage is I look like I worked out ;D

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

LOL no was much too tired , I had to dolly that big bastard up , then down ......1 advantage is I look like I worked out ;D

You are getting old like me Spider.

[Spider]

You are getting old like me Spider.

LOL ..........Never ........ But I do need some more Rogaine

[Spider]

actually I am having a blast now , holding my triplets , watching Cars with the older kids .......Life doesnt get much better

[Kaylore]

I'm not surprised to hear this. They say there is a great deal of water frozen at the poles and then it's dry and barren on the rest of the planet. That just seems odd since on our planet it doesn't jump from freezing to tropical in a matter of miles.

It's still not totally confirmed, but it is interesting.

[bendog]

Mars is like a giant pimple! No wonder it's the Red Planet!

[Hotrod]

If he'd be so kind.

Only for awhile but dont push it.

[bendog]

I just had to give it a bump.

[Old Dude]

Cool beans.

[broncosteven]

I'm not surprised to hear this. They say there is a great deal of water frozen at the poles and then it's dry and barren on the rest of the planet. That just seems odd since on our planet it doesn't jump from freezing to tropical in a matter of miles.

It's still not totally confirmed, but it is interesting.

Mars is not really Mars, it is really Ceti Alpha IV! RUN AWAY NASA! What you are seeing is Kahns Toilet flushing!

[Rohirrim]

In all seriousness, I really wish we would skip the moon and build an outpost on Mars. I've wanted that ever since I was a teenager, reading the Martian Chronicles (Bradbury). And why will it take us twenty friggin years to build an outpost on the moon? It only took us seven years to build Apollo, and get there the first time. Hell, it's only a three day trip. We must be trying to do it on the cheap. We should have a moon outpost in five years and a Mars outpost no later than five years after that.

[mhgaffney]

I'm not surprised to hear this. They say there is a great deal of water frozen at the poles and then it's dry and barren on the rest of the planet. That just seems odd since on our planet it doesn't jump from freezing to tropical in a matter of miles.

It's still not totally confirmed, but it is interesting.


Not dry and frozen everywhere. One of the recent probes found frozen ice at the equator -- covered with a layer of dust -- remnants of a former sea.

Which can only mean that Mars once had lots and lots of water.

Some great cataclysm must have destroyed its atmosphere and oceans -- leaving a wrecked planet -- as we see it.

[broncosteven]

In all seriousness, I really wish we would skip the moon and build an outpost on Mars. I've wanted that ever since I was a teenager, reading the Martian Chronicles (Bradbury). And why will it take us twenty friggin years to build an outpost on the moon? It only took us seven years to build Apollo, and get there the first time. Hell, it's only a three day trip. We must be trying to do it on the cheap. We should have a moon outpost in five years and a Mars outpost no later than five years after that.

I love all of Bradbury's works. But Mecury started in 59 so it was more like 10 years as Mercury was the 1st step.

Would need to go to moon to test all the steps needed to work & live on Mar in a "near Earth" setting. At least we could get to the Astronauts in 3 days rather than what 3 months (?) or more depending on orbits.

Mars does not grasp my attention as much as the gas giants moons do for some reason but human exploration beyond Earth orbit gives me wood.

[mhgaffney]

'Pack ice' suggests frozen sea on Mars

11:48 21 February 2005
NewScientist.com news service
Kelly Young

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7039

A frozen sea, surviving as blocks of pack ice, may lie just beneath the surface of Mars, suggest observations from Europe's Mars Express spacecraft. The sea is just 5° north of the Martian equator and would be the first discovery of a large body of water beyond the planet's polar ice caps.

Images from the High Resolution Stereo Camera on Mars Express show raft-like ground structures - dubbed "plates" - that look similar to ice formations near Earth's poles, according to an international team of scientists.

But the site of the plates, near the equator, means that sunlight should have melted any ice there. So the team suggests that a layer of volcanic ash, perhaps a few centimetres thick, may protect the structures.

"I think it's fairly plausible," says Michael Carr, an expert on Martian water at the US Geological Survey in Menlo Park, California, who was not part of the team. He says scientists had previously suspected there was a past water source north of the Elysium plates. "We know where the water came from," Carr told New Scientist. "You can trace the valleys carved by water down to this area."

He says the evidence is "compelling" for past flooding near the plates. "Maybe the ice is still there in the ground, protected by a volcanic cover, as they suggest," he says.

There is abundant evidence for the past presence of water on Mars but today it appears relatively dry, with water ice confined to the planet's polar caps. Remote observations of hydrogen atoms by NASA's Odyssey spacecraft in 2002 hinted that ice might be locked in the top metre of soil at lower latitudes. But the evidence was inconclusive as the signal could have come from minerals exposed to water in the past.

45 metres deep

The team of researchers, led by John Murray at the Open University, UK, estimates the submerged ice sea is about 800 by 900 kilometres in size and averages 45 metres deep. Images of the pack-ice-like plates can be seen in this PDF document, which was not embargoed when New Scientist first viewed it on 15 February.

The paper is for a presentation to be made at the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference in Texas on March 18. A talk with the same title is scheduled to be given by Murray at the 1st Mars Express Science Conference in Noordwijk, the Netherlands, today.

The team arrived at the depth estimate by studying craters in the plates. They say the craters appear too shallow for their diameters - suggesting ice is filling them up. Moreover, the surface appears unusually level - as if ice were beneath it. This evidence suggests the plates are not just imprints left by ice that has now completely vanished. Crater counts indicate the age of the plates is about 5 million years.

In their paper, the researchers trace a possible history for the underground ice. It begins with huge masses of ice floating in water on Mars. The ice was later covered with volcanic ash, preventing it from sublimating away into the thin atmosphere. Then, the ice broke up and drifted before the remaining liquid water froze. All of the ice not protected by ash sublimated away, leaving the pack ice plates behind.

"If the reported hypothesis is true, then this would be a prime candidate landing site to search for possible extant life on Mars," says Brian Hynek, a research scientist at the Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics at the University of Colorado at Boulder, US.

Lava flow

One problem with this proposed frozen sea is that there is very little water vapour in the Martian atmosphere today. Carr says that if there had been relatively recent sublimation, as the scientists propose, some traces of water should remain in the atmosphere.

Also, similar plate formations have been seen on Mars before but attributed to solidified lava. But Murray's team says a lava flow does not fit their observations. These plates are up to two times larger than known lava plates on Earth, and they leave behind smooth, straight lanes when they ram into craters and islands. These observations "imply an extremely mobile fluid, with similar characteristics to water," the researchers write.

Carr says there are other regions on Mars with similar plate formations, meaning this might not be the only subterranean water. But ultimately, it may be difficult to prove whether the frozen sea still exists today.

The MARSIS radar, which will soon be deployed on Mars Express, should be able to detect underground liquid water but may have trouble differentiating between ice and rocky soil. And the ice is not visible directly. "To preserve it, you've got to bury it," Carr says. "But if you bury it, you can't detect it."

[mhgaffney]

In all seriousness, I really wish we would skip the moon and build an outpost on Mars. I've wanted that ever since I was a teenager, reading the Martian Chronicles (Bradbury). And why will it take us twenty friggin years to build an outpost on the moon? It only took us seven years to build Apollo, and get there the first time. Hell, it's only a three day trip. We must be trying to do it on the cheap. We should have a moon outpost in five years and a Mars outpost no later than five years after that.

This is why some people question whether we went to the moon the first time.

Think about it: Why didn't the Soviets go to the moon? I heard one report that they sent up a moon mission -- but their cosmonauts came back dead. They were fried by radiation. Can't confirm it -- but it makes you wonder.

I also heard NASA has been very intensively studying the van Allen belts -- to understand how to survive the intense magnetic fields.

But if we got through them before what's the problem? Makes you wonder.

[bendog]

It's unfortunate that NASA changed philosophy back from unmanned to manned while Bushii was potus, cause somebody's guaranteed to get hurt when we land on mercury or venus by mistake.