Comparing Cutler's First Game Numbers Against The Other Rookie QBs

[GonzoLays]

Comparing Cutler's numbers against Youngs, Lienarts, and Gradkowski's first start, Jay had the worst debut as a starter.

Bruce Gradkowski @ New Orleans

20-31, 225 yards, 2 TDs and 0 ints

Vince Young VS Dallas

14-29, 155 yards, 1 TD and 2 Int

Matt Leinart VS KC

22-35, 253 yards, 2 TDs and 1 int

Jay Culter VS Seattle

10-21, 143 yards, 2 Tds and 2 ints

Cutler had the least amount of completions, attempts and yards and tied for the highest number of ints of the four. Considering that Cutler had the most time to prepare for his job, his first time effort was very disappointing.

Let's blame his first game on nerves. We should all expect at the very least a Gradkowski like performance against San Diego . No excuses this week, time for Cutler to shine. If the other rookies can do it, so can Cutler.

Lead us to the playoffs, rook.

[TheChamp24]

The other guys weren't annoited starter in week 13. Cutler also has the most pressure of any of the others. No one expects the others to win games, but the Broncos are expected to win, and that brings loads of pressure. Cutler was a nervous reck out there last game. Hopefully he slows down and relaxes now that his 1st is out of the bag.

[glennst]

Cutler's debut was on national TV, late in the season, and on a team that is expected to make the playoffs.

Even Shanahan said he started Cutler in order to "win now".

I think Cutler was under much more pressure than the other rookies faced in their first games.

[GonzoLays]

The other guys weren't annoited starter in week 13. Cutler also has the most pressure of any of the others. No one expects the others to win games, but the Broncos are expected to win, and that brings loads of pressure. Cutler was a nervous reck out there last game. Hopefully he slows down and relaxes now that his 1st is out of the bag.

Yea, we don't need any more biyatchnitis from Cutler against San Diego. You ****ted your pants against Seattle, Jay, understandable. But against the Chargers, you need to leave those pussy nerves back in Denver and come out like a man who is going to lead this team to great things.

[Arkansas Bronco]

He was also tied on highest number of TD's.

[GonzoLays]

Cutler's debut was on national TV, late in the season, and on a team that is expected to make the playoffs.

Even Shanahan said he started Cutler in order to "win now".

I think Cutler was under much more pressure than the other rookies faced in their first games.

The great ones rise to the occassion. They make love to pressure.

I doubt he folds like a tent against San Diego.

[Northman]

There were a lot more things involved with Cutler's start as opposed to the rest. The other 3 Qb's are on teams with bad records with nothing to lose and what was somewhat expected this year. There was a lot more media hype about Cutler than any other rookie this year because of Denver's record.

[Broncos4tw]

I think he will get better. Leaps and bounds? Probably not, he is heading into a hornets next, against one of the teams playing awesome football right now. But I think we'll see improvement every week. He was nervous as hell his first game on primetime, against the defending NFC champs. It ain't gonna get any easier on him.

I expect around 175 to 220 yards, 1 or 2 touches, and 1 int. If he does that, and our defense plays solid, we do have a chance. Quite honestly, if he manages those numbers, he is doing as well as Jake any point this year, excepting two games.

[Garcia Bronco]

Lmao

[GonzoLays]

There were a lot more things involved with Cutler's start as opposed to the rest. The other 3 Qb's are on teams with bad records with nothing to lose and what was somewhat expected this year. There was a lot more media hype about Cutler than any other rookie this year because of Denver's record.

Please, that is one hell of a lame excuse. Tampa Bay was suppose to be a playoff team this year (after making the playoffs last season) when Gradkowski took over for Simms in week three. The pressure was on that kid from the get, especially considering they had already lost two game. Bruce came out strong, I expect the same from Cutler against San Diego.

[Guessed]

Comparing apples to oranges here. The others weren't slinging the ball around in 18 degree weather. Even the pro bowler Hasselback was looking pretty average Sunday night. Of course the cold temps don't explain the brain freeze Cutler had on his first pick6. All in all, a below average debut but nothing to be worried about. The rook's gotta take his lumps. He'll learn and have better days.

[theAPAOps5]

He was also tied on highest number of TD's.

Yeah but if he said that the post would sound too positive.

If he comes out and plays better than last week thats all that matters is means he is learning.

[GonzoLays]

Look, lets be real here. Jay had three times the amount of time to prepare for his first gig compared to the other rookies. No excuses against San Diego for Jay. If Gradkowski can pull off a 225 yard passing games with 2 tds and 0 ints in week three with minimal amount of practice time, Jay should be able to accomplish that easily with over 10 more weeks of practice time and a start underneath his belt.

I expect big things from Jay this weekend. I think he comes out strong and puts up a good game.

[Guessed]

He was also tied on highest number of TD's.

In fact, Cutler threw three touchdown passes - two for the Broncos, one for Seattle.

[Northman]

Please, that is one hell of a lame excuse. Tampa Bay was suppose to be a playoff team this year (after making the playoffs last season) when Gradkowski took over for Simms in week three. The pressure was on that kid from the get, especially considering they had already lost two game. Bruce came out strong, I expect the same from Cutler against San Diego.


Carolina is supposed to be a Super Bowl contender but look at them. Things change Gonzo and it was quite obvious that Tampa was going to struggle this year. yes, Bruce came out playing well but there wasnt this " expectation " to perform well. I would say Leinart playing against Chicago would be a better arguement for you.

[GonzoLays]

Carolina is supposed to be a Super Bowl contender but look at them. Things change Gonzo and it was quite obvious that Tampa was going to struggle this year. yes, Bruce came out playing well but there wasnt this " expectation " to perform well. I would say Leinart playing against Chicago would be a better arguement for you.

No. No, it wouldn't.

[Victor]

Are you Woodward or Bernstein? Anyway, great work crunching the numbers. That is some top-notch research.

Let's trade Cutler's ass before the rest of the league catches on to how terrible he really is.

[OrangeShadow]

look at what vince has done since, what 5-2 in his last 7 games? i think cutler learned as he went and will continue to do so

[KipCorrington25]

If that pretty boy nancy Chris Simms can start in this league than Cutler will be fine.

[broncolife]

Look, lets be real here. Jay had three times the amount of time to prepare for his first gig compared to the other rookies. No excuses against San Diego for Jay. If Gradkowski can pull off a 225 yard passing games with 2 tds and 0 ints in week three with minimal amount of practice time, Jay should be able to accomplish that easily with over 10 more weeks of practice time and a start underneath his belt.

I expect big things from Jay this weekend. I think he comes out strong and puts up a good game.

Why are you comparing Jay to some other rookie, you should be comparing him to our other rook, cough,cough, I mean our vet Plummer.

Plummers stats against San Diego with home field advantage.
CP/AT YDS TD INT
J. Plummer 13/28 183 0 1 and 2 fumbles

So whats Plummer excuse? Im sure he had enough time to prepare.

[GonzoLays]

There were a lot more things involved with Cutler's start as opposed to the rest. The other 3 Qb's are on teams with bad records with nothing to lose and what was somewhat expected this year. There was a lot more media hype about Cutler than any other rookie this year because of Denver's record.

Exactly! Denver has more talent than those other teams so you can reasonably infer that Cutler will put up better stats than the rest of those guys. Good job, Anubis.

No excuses for Jay. He has more talent to work with than Gradkowski, Young and Leinart. He should have a huge game against San Diego.

[Kaylore]

Nice try, but those weren't their first games. You need to match number of snaps they took so that it is a fair comparison. Jay's first start was also his first pro snap so his first game will look the most raw, just as the other three players' first snaps were equally raw.

Let's look at their "real" first snaps.

Vince Young:
Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rate TD(rushing) Fum Rec
4 3 75.0 27 0 1 53.1 0 0 0
20 7 35.0 106 1 0 70.0 0 2 2

Wowee! That second game he was really owning with 30% completion percentage and two fumbles. Looks pretty raw to me.

Gradkowski:
Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rate TD(rushing) Fum Rec
5 1 20.0 4 0 0 39.6 0 0 0
1 1 100.0 16 0 0 118.8 0 0 0
1 20 64.5 225 2 0 107.6 0 1 0

Obviously he got better faster but he had taken snaps and worked with the first team offense for three weeks by the time he played his first full game, and even then he still has had fumbling woes.

Leinert:
Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rate TD(rushing) Fum Rec
9 6 66.7 54 0 1 43.1 0 1 0
35 22 62.9 253 2 1 91.7 0 0 0

Obviously a much improved performance, but again his first start was pretty much a struggle.

The theme here is that rookie quarterbacks struggle in their first game behind center and then usually fluctuate.

To this point the production of all four is almost identical when averaging out some numbers.

Leinert has 8 touchdowns to 9 interceptions and 6 fumbles.

Gradkowski has 9 TD's 9 ints and 9 fumbles. Apart from the obvious satanic implications, that is pretty much just as bad as Leinert.

Vince Young has 10 TD's 10 ints and 8 fumbles.

Cutler thus far has 2 TD's 2 ints and 2 fumbles.

ARE WE SEEING A PATTERN HERE YET?

They are raw prospects and while things will get better for Cutler in the next few games, they are all going to fumble the ball a lot and throw interceptions. The ratio is about the same and I'd wager the slight differences is based on what each offense likes to do.

At this point in their careers they are all producing roughly the same. It's too early to say one is better than the other. That I even need to say that is retarded.

[Finger Roll]

does this gonzo guy root for Cutler to fail? It sure seems that way to me. I also think Cutler would of had a better game if the game plan wasn't so predictable. Run on first run on second and short pass most of the time on third.

[cmhargrove]

I looked at Phillip Rivers in his first start last year (his second year in the league)

12 for 22
115 yds
54.5 comp%
3 sacks
1 int
0 td

Cutler didn't do so bad.....

[theAPAOps5]

does this gonzo guy root for Cutler to fail? It sure seems that way to me. I also think Cutler would of had a better game if the game plan wasn't so predictable. Run on first run on second and short pass most of the time on third.

Of course he is. Notice he writes that he Expects Cutler to have a big day. He doesn't, he is setting up for his bashfest Sunday night if Cutler plays like a :gasp: Rookie!

[Orange_Beard]

What's for dinner?

This is way to big of a sampling. Ths should be cut down to, "what QB's have do with there first snap".

How about we let the guy play a few.

[Kaylore]

I looked at Phillip Rivers in his first start last year (his second year in the league)

12 for 22
115 yds
54.5 comp%
3 sacks
1 int
0 td

Cutler didn't do so bad.....
Two years in the system and he took snaps with the first team offense all this offseason. That makes things much easier.

[Rock Chalk]

There were a lot more things involved with Cutler's start as opposed to the rest. The other 3 Qb's are on teams with bad records with nothing to lose and what was somewhat expected this year. There was a lot more media hype about Cutler than any other rookie this year because of Denver's record.

That should favor Cutler. Since Cutler is on a "better" team he should be putting up better numbers.

Matt Leinart is on the worst team in football and he managed to have a better day than Cutler did.

And his offensive line is even worse than ours.

As for a lot of media hype, no, Matt and Young had way more hype heading into their first games, I guarantee it. All Cutler had to do was not be Junior, and instead of NOT being Junior, he was EXACTLY like Junior.

[Jason in LA]

I'd say we are looking at this the wrong way. Instead of comparing Cutler to other rookies, why not compare him to Plummer, who he replaced? A number of us have said that Cutler wouldn't do any worse than Plummer, and we were right through one game. Look at some numbers.

Cutler
10-21 143 yards, 2 TDs 2 INTs, 62.3 rating

Plummer
vs. St.L 13-26 138 yards, 0 TDs, 3 INTs, 26.3 rating
vs. KC 16-30 173 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 56.7 rating
vs. Bal 13-24 106 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 62.2 rating
vs. Cle 20-41 209 yards, 1 TD, 2 INTs, 51.8 rating
vs. SD 13-28 183 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT, 53.1 rating

Five of Plummer's 11 games were worse than Cutler's one game. Cutler did not do worse. Plummer has had three games with a rating over 100, so I don't want to act like he sucked every single game. But he has six games below 67. All but three of his games he's below a 77 rating.

Cutler gave the Broncos basicly what Plummer was giving them. Plummer was playing like a rookie, so they might as well have started the rookie.

[GonzoLays]

Nice try, but those weren't their first games. You need to match number of snaps they took so that it is a fair comparison. Jay's first start was also his first pro snap so his first game will look the most raw, just as the other three players' first snaps were equally raw.

Let's look at their "real" first snaps.

Vince Young:
Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rate TD(rushing) Fum Rec
4 3 75.0 27 0 1 53.1 0 0 0
20 7 35.0 106 1 0 70.0 0 2 2

Wowee! That second game he was really owning with 30% completion percentage and two fumbles. Looks pretty raw to me.

Gradkowski:
Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rate TD(rushing) Fum Rec
5 1 20.0 4 0 0 39.6 0 0 0
1 1 100.0 16 0 0 118.8 0 0 0
1 20 64.5 225 2 0 107.6 0 1 0

Obviously he got better faster but he had taken snaps and worked with the first team offense for three weeks by the time he played his first full game, and even then he still has had fumbling woes.

Leinert:
Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rate TD(rushing) Fum Rec
9 6 66.7 54 0 1 43.1 0 1 0
35 22 62.9 253 2 1 91.7 0 0 0

Obviously a much improved performance, but again his first start was pretty much a struggle.

The theme here is that rookie quarterbacks struggle in their first game behind center and then usually fluctuate.

To this point the production of all four is almost identical when averaging out some numbers.

Leinert has 8 touchdowns to 9 interceptions and 6 fumbles.

Gradkowski has 9 TD's 9 ints and 9 fumbles. Apart from the obvious satanic implications, that is pretty much just as bad as Leinert.

Vince Young has 10 TD's 10 ints and 8 fumbles.

Cutler thus far has 2 TD's 2 ints and 2 fumbles.

ARE WE SEEING A PATTERN HERE YET?

They are raw prospects and while things will get better for Cutler in the next few games, they are all going to fumble the ball a lot and throw interceptions. The ratio is about the same and I'd wager the slight differences is based on what each offense likes to do.

At this point in their careers they are all producing roughly the same. It's too early to say one is better than the other. That I even need to say that is retarded.

Sorry, the premise of the comparison was first starts not first action. But if you want to go, "Look, Gradkowski went 1-4 in the last drive of the 4th quarter in his first game for a 25% completion rate" then I don't know what to tell you. Have fun with that, Kaylore. Now, if you want to be sensible and compare their first starts, you are more than welcomed to read my post again.

[Broncoman13]

Lmao

Gonzo's stupidity amazes me sometimes. Hass didn't do much better than Cutler Sunday Night. Think the weather and near record temps may have had something to do with that? Hass said it was a lot warmer in Seattle the week prior against the Packers...

Gonzolays... making people like Boob bareable since 2003.

[Broncoman13]

Sorry, the premise of the comparison was first starts not first action. But if you want to go, "Look, Gradkowski went 1-4 in the last drive of the 4th quarter in his first game for a 25% completion rate" then I don't know what to tell you. Have fun with that, Kaylore. Now, if you want to be sensible and compare their first starts, you are more than welcomed to read my post again.


Haaaahahahaha!!! You got owned by being a freaking idiot and you're telling him to be sensible. Khan made you look like a blabbering idiot, something that happens to you on a daily basis. Have you considered the fact that you are just one of Matt's little pawns? You're his dancing puppet, but I guess you like being a little biatch!

[GonzoLays]

Gonzo's stupidy amazes me sometimes. Hass didn't do much better than Cutler Sunday Night. Think the weather and near record temps may have had something to do with that? Hass said it was a lot warmer in Seattle the week prior against the Packers...

Gonzolays... making people like Boob bareable since 2003.

So QB's don't do well in cold weather? Go send Brett Favre, John Elway, Tom Brady, Donovan McNabb, Phil Simms and countless other cold weather QBs that memo.

Your stupidity dumbfounds me.

This just in, QBs cannot play in cold weather. STFU hahahahahaha

[Broncoman13]

So QB's don't do well in cold weather? Go send Brett Favre, John Elway, Tom Brady, Donovan McNabb, Phil Simms and countless other cold weather QBs that memo.

Your stupidity dumbfounds me.

This just in, QBs cannot play in cold weather. STFU hahahahahaha

You're seriously comparing a rookie to Elway, Brady, Favre, Simms, and McNabb??? More stupid points for Gonzo!!!

[Finger Roll]

I'm sure he played alot of games in the SEC in 10 degree weather:spit:

[GonzoLays]

You're seriously comparing a rookie to Elway, Brady, Favre, Simms, and McNabb??? More stupid points for Gonzo!!!


Remember your quote, Oskie? Wait, let me give you the quote again:

Gonzo's stupidy amazes me sometimes. Hass didn't do much better than Cutler Sunday Night. Think the weather and near record temps may have had something to do with that?

That's right folks, Cutler struggled because of the 20 degree weather.

QB's usually playing in crisp 75 degree weather throughout the season. Cutler was just a victim of mother nature. I have heard it all.

Somebody get this clown away from me. hahahaha

[Spider]

many turns in this thread ...........I dont give a damn what other QB's did or didnt do ............ Cutler did good in my opinion no one will change that ...........

[watermock]

God he never fails to outdo himself. With all the intelligent (rare, but they are out there) takes, you would think he would learn something. He's like Jake this year...regressing.

Again...did you know Plummer had more TD's and a higher QB rating than the Pro Bowler Hasslebeck Gonzo?

He had a mediocre performance...sound familiar? As has been attempted to pound into your rock, we knew what Plummer could do. He bounced off his ceiling and hit the wall. We don't know what Jay's ceiling is. We won't find out if he's on the bench.

We even split the two games prior to Sunday night, Jake is still the QB starter in Denver. End of discussion.

As noted by another poster earlier...Elway's first attempts landed him on the bench for awhile.

I am so sick of your idiocy...your not a fan, your a bitter apologist.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Cutler looked like a rookie starting his first game. Wow...stop the presses. At least he didn't line up under guard. Elway BTW...went 5-16 for 1 yard in his first game and threw pick on his way to a season where he tossed twice as many INT's as TD's, and finished with a 54.9 QB rating and a completion percentage of 47.5%.

This thread is sheer stupidity...but then I knew that going in.

[watermock]

Anyone notice that Gonzo totally avoids the crap performances of Jake this year? He would rather pick on the new kid in town.

Go thru his recent posts and your hard pressed to find even an illogical excuse for Plummer other than he has had a winning record. Of course, the rest of the team had nothing to do with that. We won despite Plummer, not because of the QB like Elway.

[shakenbake]

VY is doing a good job of making Merill Hoge stupid, along with countless others.

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[MrPeepers]

One great thing about pressure...

Cutler will be challenged from day one, he has proven he rises to the challenge in college, he will never find easy mode in Denver.

Remeber those teachers you had that made you better by making life hell. Welcome to Denver kiddo.

[GonzoLays]

I guess VY is just too stupid to lose. They guy is a winner, plain and simple.

And if you really think about it, who wants to play with a brainiac at QB anyway? When you see Vince on TV, he seems like a real, geniune person. When he says something, he means it. No sarcasm, no smart ass replies. That probably goes along way with his teammates in the lockerroom. When VY was at Texas, his teammates had quotes like "If there is one guy I could pick to be in the trenches with me, it would be VY."

"I would follow VY anywhere. He is the ultimate leader."

"I would break my neck trying to block for Vince. We know he lays it out on the field so we play for him."

[Ratboy]

I prefer Cheeseburgers over Hamburgers.

[whatsgolden]

I just hope he turns out better than these pathetic stats in his first 11 games. I can't imagine a team would have any patience with such godawful numbers.

123 259 47.5% 1663yds 6.4 7td 14int

But, you're probably right. Cutler is going to be terrible. I guess all of the professional college scouts and NFL talent evaluators don't compare to your uncanny knack for knowing who's a bust and who's a superstar after one game.

Thanks for clearing that up for all of us.

[ScottXray]

First of all, Jay looked bad....kind of like a rookie that hadn't gotten to practice much since August, although he knew the plays. And since he has been running the scout team all year...he hasn't been practicing OUR offensive plays, but other teams.

Secondly the conditions were bad....Jake has also played lousy in the cold most of the time. Seattles QB (Hasselbeck) had a lower rating, and fewer completions than Jay until late in the 4th. How many years has he been playing?

Our O-line protection was bad....again.

Shanny also called a lousy game and turtled when Jay threw the pick-6. The play calls got worse after that.

Give the kid a chance. He's going to be good.

[watermock]

VY was given the starting job day one Gonzo.

You can throw all the highlight tape you want out there...He's not ranked in the top 30 in passer rating.

He has a 64 rating, 50 percent passing and 10/10 ratio and your telling us what again?

[watermock]

I guess VY is just too stupid to lose. They guy is a winner, plain and simple.

And if you really think about it, who wants to play with a brainiac at QB anyway? When you see Vince on TV, he seems like a real, geniune person. When he says something, he means it. No sarcasm, no smart ass replies. That probably goes along way with his teammates in the lockerroom. When VY was at Texas, his teammates had quotes like "If there is one guy I could pick to be in the trenches with me, it would be VY."

"I would follow VY anywhere. He is the ultimate leader."

"I would break my neck trying to block for Vince. We know he lays it out on the field so we play for him."

WTF are you talking about yet again moron?
Everytime I think you can't say anything more stupied you amaze me.

No sarcasm, no smart ass replies? Your not a Plummer supporter, your a Cutler hater. Cutler hasn't said anything sarcastic, and nothing smart ass from the day he reported to camp.

God your an idiot. It's not exactly what you said, it's what you insinuated with zero knowledge or proof. Gee...a college team with other stars will follow it's star...how incredible.

Let me remind you one more time...VY's rating is not even on the damn board of 30.

[watermock]

But we are supposed to believe that VY is tearing up the NFL. He's improving too...wow...NFL experience is helping...I'm shocked....

BTW Goonzo, Cutler has a higher passing rating than VY after one game.

[Killericon]

Clearly, the only possible conclusion from his first game performance is that he's a bust.

Nothing left to do now but to try to get Quinn in the draft.

[Kaylore]

Sorry, the premise of the comparison was first starts not first action. But if you want to go, "Look, Gradkowski went 1-4 in the last drive of the 4th quarter in his first game for a 25% completion rate" then I don't know what to tell you. Have fun with that, Kaylore. Now, if you want to be sensible and compare their first starts, you are more than welcomed to read my post again.

Translation: I don't want to use logic or fairness in my analysis because it exposes how flawed my methodology is. As far as I'm concerned, Tony Romo's first start could be fairly compared against Cutler's because I say so. Also, white people suck.

[skpac1001]

Here is what you do, Gonzo. Get your Plummer jersey, tell your mom or other loved one to put it on, then go up to "Plummer" and say your goodbye's, hug and sob if you must, get some closure. Hopefully you will feel better and be able to move on.

[Orange_Beard]

Since they are both NFL Qb's, Let compare Jake and Jay's first start of the season.
Jake: L10-18 26 13 50.0 138 0 3 26.3
Jay: L23-20 21 10 47.6 143 2 2 62.3

Looks like Jay had a better first start this year then Jake did.

[broncofan]

I refuse to accept any comparisons that attempt to measure and/or predict Cutler's ability based off of one start alone. If I had the time, I'm sure I could dig up stats that show some of the greatest passers of all time that had worse numbers than Jay did Sunday night.

He'll be fine.

[GonzoLays]

Translation: I don't want to use logic or fairness in my analysis because it exposes how flawed my methodology is. As far as I'm concerned, Tony Romo's first start could be fairly compared against Cutler's because I say so. Also, white people suck.

I don't need some backwoods hillbilly giving me a translation of what I was trying to say.

Why compare their first starts? Because you are using the same criteria for the all the players. They all spent the same amount of time practicing with the first team during the week leading up to the game. The game plan was designed around their abilities, not their predecessor. These were not "emergency starts" because their QB went down in the first quarter. THEY WERE THE STARTERS. Get it?

You on other hand want to compare Cutler's first start with Gradkowski's getting one series at the end of a blowout and one pass attempt at the end of the Carolina game. Wow, those grand total of six pass attempts really 'slowed down' the game for Bruce. He must be a really fast learner. Those snaps were sooooo important, huh? Good grief.

Why am I even telling you this? I have no idea you were so clueless. You might as well include their preseason stats because that has about as much to do with their first starts as a meaningless series at the end of a blowout.

[bpc]

Laughable subject.

Manning had 28 int's his rookie season. Thats almost an average of 2 a game. According the local media and fans in Denver, he should have been replaced after his 1st game... (3 int's.)

Some people just can't help themselves.