Merriman announces his return ... loudly

[RMANCIL]

Merriman announces his return ... loudly (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6244896)

For four weeks, Shawne Merriman could only watch his Chargers teammates battle for a divison title and playoff positioning. And for those four weeks, he had to sit and listen as he was widely derided as a steroid user.

But on Sunday he was back on the field, helping pitch in as San Diego continues to chase the AFC's best record. And Tuesday, he took to the airwaves to discuss what he still sees as an unjust punishment handed down by the NFL.
To this day, Merriman maintains his innocence in failing a drug test. But fighting for the playoffs made more sense to the linebacker than fighting for justice in a case he was simply never going to win.




Merriman told us on Tuesday, "At the end of the day, you just said it — I was going to lose the case. With that being said, how much can you go out and keep fighting? It's not an easy topic and battle to keep going after in public because of the stereotype attached, when you know you are going to lose. I didn't want to drop the appeal at all, but this was the best thing for my team. I made it based on the team. A lot of people don't know that I could've pushed the appeal to the limit even further and missed playoff time. I wasn't going to do that and hurt my team. And yes, playing against Denver at least once was a big factor in dropping the appeal when I did."

The star linebacker wasn't happy how it was portrayed in public.

"A picture was painted of me and that's not fair. It was painted before I got a chance to speak. For a statement to be released like that and to be attached to an issue like that was wrong. The way I was raised, I don't run from anything. It was just bogus."

There is no doubt how much of a difference Merriman makes on the field. In eight games this year, he has 10.5 sacks and countless pressures of the quarterback. And he made his presence felt immediately in his first game back last weekend against the Bills.

With numbers to support his case, Merriman believes he should still be in the mix for defensive player of the year, even with the time he missed.

"I always look at myself as the best at what I do," Merriman said. "There is a lot of talent of the defensive side of the ball this year. There are a lot of guys playing extremely well. If you are asking me who is the best player in the NFL, I'd say myself. And even with the missed time, I would think I would be heavily in the mix. I'll just prove it on the field the rest of the way."

That said, Merriman is hoping that the greatest individual honor in the NFL goes to LaDainian Tomlinson, who has the work ethic of an MVP.


"Everyone sees how L.T. plays the game," Merriman said. "But you don't see how he practices. I've never seen anyone practice like him. It's more than natural ability. It's work. He is the league MVP."

The linebacker with the Ray Lewis approach craved football during his four-game suspension. And Merriman missed game day. Now he can't wait to play at home this weekend, in front of his fans against the rival Broncos.

And Merriman is rightly thinking big for the Chargers the rest of the way.

"The top seed in the playoffs would mean everything to us and our fans," Merriman said. "And with me back, and Luis (Castillo) coming back, our best days are ahead.'

Nobody will argue with that.

The Broncos will have their work cut out for them to get young Cutler off the field in one piece and to protect their fast sliding playoff hopes which it appears most Bronco fans have already given up hope on.

[Man-Goblin]

Sounds like roid rage to me.

[TailgateNut]

Roidman speaks! Who gives a flying ****? Hopefully he'll gat an airbubble in his next fix! CHEATER!

[RMANCIL]

Sounds like roid rage to me.

That sounds like a broken record , one that clearly is on auto pilot. You may try reading the article then responding some times that helps.

[TheDave]

Roids or no roids, I'ld take him over anyone of our front 7.

[Spider]

Roids .....Does a body good ............ Dirty cheating mother ****ers

[Spider]

Roids or no roids, I'ld take him over anyone of our front 7.

hell just bring back sour-bum

[Popps]

Roids or no roids, I'ld take him over anyone of our front 7.

Amen.

[NYBronc]

Roids or no roids, I'ld take him over anyone of our front 7.

Yep, the Chargers fleecing of the Giants with the Eli-Rivers/Merriman trade rivals that of the Broncos/Redskins.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

I'd take Merriman over 21 of our 22 starters...

[TailgateNut]

I did respect him and his talent until he was exposed! Now, he's just a dirty cheating POS!

[Spider]

Al Wilson is better then Merriman

[Hercules Rockefeller]

That sounds like a broken record , one that clearly is on auto pilot. You may try reading the article then responding some times that helps.

He claims he's innocent and that he dropped the appeal because he knew he was going to lose. Wow, thanks for posting that article it brought so much more to the front than had been presented before he was suspended. His claim of innocence totally swayed me, I no longer think that Merriman is a cheater. Next time try adding something before you claim someone else is responding on auto-pilot, this article provided nothing new.

[RMANCIL]

If Luis Castillo is in the Bolt line up the Chargers defense will be the healthiest it has been in over a month. Castillo is a real force at DE one that most casual fans are unaware of.

That means most of you who read this , he plays LDE and wears number 93# he will be pretty easy to spot just keep a eye on the QB and RB and he will appear.

That should not be too hard for most of you "ball watchers".

:wave:

[TailgateNut]

Correct! I guess it like the Fake Boobies or real boobies question. I'll take the real thing!

[Spider]

Oh wait I forgot this is suck up to Chargers week ............ Yeah Merriman is far better then Al Wilson ............. ::)

[TheDave]

Al Wilson is better then Merriman

I know this is going to get me flamed but... NO WAY IN HELL!!!

[RMANCIL]

Al Wilson is better then Merriman

I think your on drugs. :rofl:

[Spider]

I think your on drugs. :rofl:

you can think ?

[OrangeShadow]

Even though merriman got caught on roids i too would take him over any of our front 7

[boltssbbound]

Al Wilson is better then Merriman

I love Al Wilson. He's a great player. But I think you're fooling yourself if you truly believe that.

Merriman is in his 2nd season. He's still improving. His average tackle this year is behind the LOS. No other defender in the league can say the same.

Merriman tested positive in August. If he was truly juicing, and has had to stop since then because of the positive test, he would have deflated like a balloon by now. Instead, he's just as big and strong as he ever was. So keep dreaming that Merriman is just another Bosworth/Mandarich and he'll keep dominating the league. The guy's played in 8 games and has 10.5 sacks. That's a pace that would match the best season in league history.

[TailgateNut]

Just give Al some of Merrimans juice and he'd run circles around the CHEATER!

[theAPAOps5]

So I had waffles this morning, powdered sugar, maple syrup and some bacon! YUM!

[RMANCIL]

you can think ?

Now I'm sure snappy. :D

[TailgateNut]

you can think ?


He just learned to support his team this year. Don't expect to much from the little fella!

[Spider]

I know this is going to get me flamed but... NO WAY IN HELL!!!

Huh ?When was the last time you seen Merriman cover Randy Moss ? Wilson did it 50+ yards down field no less , Wilson also shut down Heap and damn near took Heaps head off ...........I know Merriman with the roid Charges is flavor of the month , but dont go makin Merriman a god when he isnt half the Backer Wilson is
It isnt even close between Al Wilson and Merriman .................

[TailgateNut]

So I had waffles this morning, powdered sugar, maple syrup and some bacon! YUM!

For you guys who live in Denver, try the Saltgrass steakhouse. Top of the line steak at reasonable prices!

[RMANCIL]

I love Al Wilson. He's a great player. But I think you're fooling yourself if you truly believe that.

Merriman is in his 2nd season. He's still improving. His average tackle this year is behind the LOS. No other defender in the league can say the same.

Merriman tested positive in August. If he was truly juicing, and has had to stop since then because of the positive test, he would have deflated like a balloon by now. Instead, he's just as big and strong as he ever was. So keep dreaming that Merriman is just another Bosworth/Mandarich and he'll keep dominating the league. The guy's played in 8 games and has 10.5 sacks. That's a pace that would match the best season in league history.


Why bother posting any intelligent rebuttal , too many long words for most of these fans. Logic smogic your wasting your time. The bright ones already get it and the rest won't ever bother.

[theAPAOps5]

Thanks I will try that. I am having dinner at the Blue Sky grill before the nuggets game. That place is pretty tasty as well.

[Spider]

I love Al Wilson. He's a great player. But I think you're fooling yourself if you truly believe that.

Merriman is in his 2nd season. He's still improving. His average tackle this year is behind the LOS. No other defender in the league can say the same.

Merriman tested positive in August. If he was truly juicing, and has had to stop since then because of the positive test, he would have deflated like a balloon by now. Instead, he's just as big and strong as he ever was. So keep dreaming that Merriman is just another Bosworth/Mandarich and he'll keep dominating the league. The guy's played in 8 games and has 10.5 sacks. That's a pace that would match the best season in league history.
LOL Merriman couldnt Handle Heap , Hell Al wilson covered Moss 50+ yards deep and defended the pass , Never saw`Merriman do that .............. some of my Bronco breathern are so afriad of being labeled a Homer , they completely throw out the things Wilson has done ........... I dont give a damn what positio you play , when you can Cover Moss deep you are doing a hellva Job

[Ratboy]

http://www.calmet.com/ict/images/Cheaters.jpg

[Spider]

Huilarious! Merriman better then Al Wilson ...........

[TailgateNut]

Thanks I will try that. I am having dinner at the Blue Sky grill before the nuggets game. That place is pretty tasty as well.


Try their pepper crusted rib eye with the cognac sauce. You can cut it with a spoon!

[dnvrbrncos]

I'm having some orange roughy for lunch. Almost as good as lobster.

[theAPAOps5]

Mmmmmm Orange Roughy is awesome. I haven't had that for a while. Thanks Tailgate I will get that!

[TheDave]

Huh ?When was the last time you seen Merriman cover Randy Moss ? Wilson did it 50+ yards down field no less , Wilson also shut down Heap and damn near took Heaps head off ...........I know Merriman with the roid Charges is flavor of the month , but dont go makin Merriman a god when he isnt half the Backer Wilson is
It isnt even close between Al Wilson and Merriman .................

When was the last time you saw AL Wilson sack the QB... When was the last time Al Wilson almost single handedly beat the Colts. Sorry Spider i love the guy too but this kid Merrimen is freakishly special

[RMANCIL]

LOL Merriman couldnt Handle Heap , Hell Al wilson covered Moss 50+ yards deep and defended the pass , Never saw`Merriman do that .............. some of my Bronco breathern are so afriad of being labeled a Homer , they completely throw out the things Wilson has done ........... I dont give a damn what positio you play , when you can Cover Moss deep you are doing a hellva Job

If the Faiders cut Moss tomorrow the Bolts would never sign him. He isn't any where near the wr he once was.

Wilson was a great LB key word was. Merriman is a great LB note the present and past tense. You will not find one GM in the N.F.L. who would agree with you and are pretty hard pressed to find a few down and out hommers to rally to your aid.

Most fans who know anything about the sport would choke on the Wilson Merriman comparison you make.

[Victor]

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[Ratboy]

http://www.childrensspecialists.com/images/medicalinfo/acne2.jpg

Bacne.

[boltssbbound]

Huh ?When was the last time you seen Merriman cover Randy Moss ? Wilson did it 50+ yards down field no less , Wilson also shut down Heap and damn near took Heaps head off ...........I know Merriman with the roid Charges is flavor of the month , but dont go makin Merriman a god when he isnt half the Backer Wilson is
It isnt even close between Al Wilson and Merriman .................

Probably one of the plays where Moss was "sprinting" down the field like he had cement shoes.

Look, Merriman doesn't drop into pass coverage that much and Wilson doesn't blitz that much, so it's difficult to compare the two statistically. But as far as impact they have on the game, I give Merriman the edge.

[NYBronc]

I think your on drugs. :rofl:

Why bother posting any intelligent rebuttal , too many long words for most of these fans. Logic smogic your wasting your time. The bright ones already get it and the rest won't ever bother.


Coming from the guy who doesn't know how to use a possessive pronoun.

[azbroncfan]

I would take merriman gladly, but since the chargers get a juiced player I think that every team should be allowed to roid 1 player up the rest of the year. Now who should we roid up on Den?

[400HZ]

Probably one of the plays where Moss was "sprinting" down the field like he had cement shoes.

Look, Merriman doesn't drop into pass coverage that much and Wilson doesn't blitz that much, so it's difficult to compare the two statistically. But as far as impact they have on the game, I give Merriman the edge.

Strangely enough, Merriman is ahead of Wilson in interceptions. :notworthy

It's seriously apples to oranges though. I'd take Wilson any day on my team, but not over Merriman.

[RMANCIL]

Strangely enough, Merriman is ahead of Wilson in interceptions. :notworthy

It's seriously apples to oranges though. I'd take Wilson any day on my team, but not over Merriman.

Wilson has been a great LB but I don't think AL will play two more years.
I don't think the N.F.L. has seen a LB like Merriman since Thomas played in K.C. and he wasn't as big or as hard of a hitter.

[Rohirrim]

He claims he's innocent and that he dropped the appeal because he knew he was going to lose. Wow, thanks for posting that article it brought so much more to the front than had been presented before he was suspended. His claim of innocence totally swayed me, I no longer think that Merriman is a cheater. Next time try adding something before you claim someone else is responding on auto-pilot, this article provided nothing new.

And it still doesn't explain why his head's bigger than the Michelin tire guy. Maybe it runs in his family? :~ohyah!:

[OrangeShadow]

Wilson was a great LB key word was. Merriman is a great LB note the present and past tense.

you say WAS when wilson is only 29 years old. Wilson is far from done and doesnt get the coverage or credit he deserves because he plays in denver. If he played in NY or INDY or some place like that hed get talked about a hell of a lot more. Tell me when merriman learns to cover and captain an entire defense.

[RMANCIL]

Coming from the guy who doesn't know how to use a possessive pronoun.

No...but I can whip out my possessive adjectives with the best of them! However this may not be the best thread to work on our English grammar writing lessons.

^5

[RMANCIL]

you say WAS when wilson is only 29 years old. Wilson is far from done and doesnt get the coverage or credit he deserves because he plays in denver. If he played in NY or INDY or some place like that hed get talked about a hell of a lot more. Tell me when merriman learns to cover and captain an entire defense.

Al Wilson doesn't get the credit he deserves and he never has . That said I think Wilson's game is speed and I think he is starting to slow down. I don't see him playing at the Pro Bowl level that has been his forte in a couple of years as a result.

[NYBronc]

No...but I can whip out my possessive adjectives with the best of them! However this may not be the best thread to work on our English grammar writing lessons.

^5

Good one! Here's a subject complement for ya.

That "bacne" of yours sure <B><FONT COLOR="BLUE">looks</B></FONT COLOR> horrible!

;D

[Mediator12]

Al Wilson doesn't get the credit he deserves and he never has . That said I think Wilson's game is speed and I think he is starting to slow down. I don't see him playing at the Pro Bowl level that has been his forte in a couple of years as a result.

Well, you have not seen many DEN games then have you. Did you miss the most recent one where denver Shutout SEA for 52 minutes until Wilson left on a stretcher? DEN changed their Scheme and Wilson Covered and provided run support with DEN playing a third string CB at Safety against SEA's 3WR sets. The Versatility of Wilson allowed that to work.

This is an apples to Oranges issue. Merriman is a 3-4 OLB with attack the backfield responsibilities and Wilson is a 4-3 MLB with dual responsibilities. Merriman is a natural pass rush specialist with little LB awareness outside the LOS and POA. Wilson is a playcaller and can cover WR's as well as stuff the run. He is not a good Blitzer, however.

Most around here would give up their firstborn for a pass rush and Merriman is one of the top 3-4 guys and we get to see him almost every week in the AFCW. Personnel guys would also take Merriman over Wilson because of age and Pass rush Specialty. Neither point makes comparing them worthwhile because they almost play a similar position.

[reef shark]

wilson covered randy 50 yards downfield? is this really an accomplishment for him, or a tribute to moss' laziness.... wilson is getting kinda old. merriman outclasses him in almost all facets, including speed.

[BlaK-Argentina]

Al Wilson doesn't get the credit he deserves and he never has . That said I think Wilson's game is speed and I think he is starting to slow down. I don't see him playing at the Pro Bowl level that has been his forte in a couple of years as a result.

Wilson is great, but he hasn't been as good as prior years. He had a monster game earlier on the season but I don't remember him making a lot of impact plays on the last few games. (other than a big hit from time to time)

Still, if we can fix our damn Dline Wilson will DOMINATE. He's really a great player, a great leader, and someone who ANY team would love to have.

Hopefully he can come back healthy and help us get in the playoffs.

Merriman is very good, but I HATE his guts. Now even more after the roids episode. Still a great player, though.

[BlaK-Argentina]

wilson covered randy 50 yards downfield? is this really an accomplishment for him, or a tribute to moss' laziness.... wilson is getting kinda old. merriman outclasses him in almost all facets, including speed.

Hey genius, he's 29. Kinda old? You may be right about Smith being "old" but no way Wilson is getting "old" yet.

And that play that Spider was talking about happened when Moss was in Minnesota and was considered one of, if not the best WR in the game by a lot of people.

[reef shark]

Hey genius, he's 29. Kinda old? You may be right about Smith being "old" but no way Wilson is getting "old" yet.

And that play that Spider was talking about happened when Moss was in Minnesota and was considered one of, if not the best WR in the game by a lot of people.



29 is just anumber. a sprained neck will tell you he is getting old. also, even when moss was in minn, people were still noticing how minnesota's winning percentage would decrease dramatically when moss didnt get as many touches (when they were losing, he wasnt trying). why do you think they would trade him in the first place?

[Mediator12]

29 is just anumber. a sprained neck will tell you he is getting old. also, even when moss was in minn, people were still noticing how minnesota's winning percentage would decrease dramatically when moss didnt as many touches (when they were losing, he wasnt trying). why do you think they would trade him in the first place?

A trauma injury is related to age ??? Enough said.

Merriman is only awesome at one thing attacking the LOS. His physical ability is great for sure, but he also has a very good front seven around him with Jamal Williams, Olshansky (the mentally weak), and Castillo doing the work on most plays allowing Merriman to simply go get the ball carrier or QB. His Awareness is poor and he was made a fool in the probowl when he had to do a traditional LB's role with the no blitz rules. He is a 3-4 OLB or 4-3 DE. He is not a true LB.

Wilson is a complete MLB that can stuff the run or cover WR's. His versatility makes him a top three MLB.

And again, they do not play the same position and should not be compared any more than Javon Walker and Antonio Gates should be.

[AFCWestFan]

Now now now...


Bronco Fans still can recall Romanowski....right?

[theAPAOps5]

29 is just anumber. a sprained neck will tell you he is getting old.

Dumbest post EVER!!!! Hilarious! Hilarious!

So is that why David Pollack Broke his neck? Was it his 2 years catching up to him!!!!

[reef shark]

A trauma injury is related to age ??? Enough said.

Merriman is only awesome at one thing attacking the LOS. His physical ability is great for sure, but he also has a very good front seven around him with Jamal Williams, Olshansky (the mentally weak), and Castillo doing the work on most plays allowing Merriman to simply go get the ball carrier or QB. His Awareness is poor and he was made a fool in the probowl when he had to do a traditional LB's role with the no blitz rules. He is a 3-4 OLB or 4-3 DE. He is not a true LB.

Wilson is a complete MLB that can stuff the run or cover WR's. His versatility makes him a top three MLB.

And again, they do not play the same position and should not be compared any more than Javon Walker and Antonio Gates should be.

i also dont think they should be compared, but it was necessary in light of what was said. merriman also isnt asked to cover WRS, if he is then someone else messed up. merriman is an excellent run stuffer and even better pass rusher, which is why i said he outclassed wilson in almost every facet. and has wilson ever suffered this injury before? if not, you cannot be sure that his injury is unrelated to age.

[reef shark]

Dumbest post EVER!!!! Hilarious! Hilarious!

So is that why David Pollack Broke his neck? Was it his 2 years catching up to him!!!!


these are different injuries. just because the word "neck" is involved in both doesnt mean shiz. wilson is getting old, period.

[theAPAOps5]

You tried to make an insane correlation to age and a neck sprain that clearly was caused from getting hit going after a fumble.

D U M B....... DUMB

By the way I caught that LT interview on Leno last night. The dude is all class.

[Kaylore]

29 is just anumber. a sprained neck will tell you he is getting old. also, even when moss was in minn, people were still noticing how minnesota's winning percentage would decrease dramatically when moss didnt get as many touches (when they were losing, he wasnt trying). why do you think they would trade him in the first place?

LOL What a stupid post. I broke a rib three years ago. Does that mean my days are numbered? Looks like it's almost time to give up the ghost. ROFL!

[theAPAOps5]

LOL What a stupid post. I broke a rib three years ago. Does that mean my days are numbered? Looks like it's almost time to give up the ghost. ROFL!

Al Wilson Practiced today but damn whats the point! Once you get that neck sprain your career is done! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL!

Just for clarification a neck injury is NOT a laughing matter. Assessing that to age is hilarious!

[reef shark]

You tried to make an insane correlation to age and a neck sprain that clearly was caused from getting hit going after a fumble.

D U M B....... DUMB

By the way I caught that LT interview on Leno last night. The dude is all class.


this isnt insane at all. im aware the injury was caused on williams' fumble, but this doesnt mean it was a fluke. the dude has taken a beating since his days in tennessee. it has become apparent if you look at his injury record this season.

[theAPAOps5]

this isnt insane at all. im aware the injury was caused on williams' fumble, but this doesnt mean it was a fluke. the dude has taken a beating since his days in tennessee. it has become apparent if you look at his injury record this season.

Dude you are just digging it deeper and deeper. That was stupid. He is only 29 even in the NFL that is still your prime. I am sorry to be clowning you but that was stupid!

[reef shark]

Dude you are just digging it deeper and deeper. That was stupid. He is only 29 even in the NFL that is still your prime. I am sorry to be clowning you but that was stupid!

ok then we will see if he is alright on sunday. and just because he is reported to have been at practice, doesnt mean hes alright. shanahans injury reports have always been altered deliberately to throw off opponents.

[theAPAOps5]

I hope he doesn't play if he isn't 100% its not worth risking injury that could cause a career to end. I am just busting your balls, all in rivalry fun!

[Inkana7]

ok then we will see if he is alright on sunday. and just because he is reported to have been at practice, doesnt mean hes alright. shanahans injury reports have always been altered deliberately to throw off opponents.

You're a retard. Fade to Black. Roll Credits.

[reef shark]

I hope he doesn't play if he isn't 100% its not worth risking injury that could cause a career to end. I am just busting your balls, all in rivalry fun!


yea i know. i just felt the need to defend merriman in light of someone saying he wasnt half of wilson...

[reef shark]

You're a retard. Fade to Black. Roll Credits.


care to explain?

[theAPAOps5]

yea i know. i just felt the need to defend merriman in light of someone saying he wasnt half of wilson...

Merriman is a beast. Everyone will admit that. I think there was a little baiting going on in that post. I do agree that he needs to work on his pass coverage and leadership but that comes with experience.

[Spider]

Hey genius, he's 29. Kinda old? You may be right about Smith being "old" but no way Wilson is getting "old" yet.

And that play that Spider was talking about happened when Moss was in Minnesota and was considered one of, if not the best WR in the game by a lot of people.

**** these Bolts fans think they have a clue ........... Just goes to show they opened thier pie hole about Merriman and was toataly clueless ........... Wait untill I tell them D Will is better then Jammer , that will realy spike thier world

[reef shark]

**** these Bolts fans think they have a clue ........... Just goes to show they opened thier pie hole about Merriman and was toataly clueless ........... Wait untill I tell them D Will is better then Jammer , that will realy spike thier world

who was clueless about merriman? the person who said he wasnt half of wilson? yea i disagreed with that. if what i said about merriman makes me clueless, plz enlighten me. btw, darrent williams isnt half of jammer.

[Spider]

A trauma injury is related to age ??? Enough said.

Merriman is only awesome at one thing attacking the LOS. His physical ability is great for sure, but he also has a very good front seven around him with Jamal Williams, Olshansky (the mentally weak), and Castillo doing the work on most plays allowing Merriman to simply go get the ball carrier or QB. His Awareness is poor and he was made a fool in the probowl when he had to do a traditional LB's role with the no blitz rules. He is a 3-4 OLB or 4-3 DE. He is not a true LB.

Wilson is a complete MLB that can stuff the run or cover WR's. His versatility makes him a top three MLB.

And again, they do not play the same position and should not be compared any more than Javon Walker and Antonio Gates should be.
not comparing thier position , just thier Skills .

[theAPAOps5]

Ding, ding, ding ROUND 2

D Will has a bum shoulder, I think his age is showing.....

[Spider]

who was clueless about merriman? the person who said he wasnt half of wilson? yea i disagreed with that. if what i said about merriman makes me clueless, plz enlighten me. btw, darrent williams isnt half of jammer.

Completely Clueless ,when I said Wilson covered moss 50 + yards down field , you guys admitted Merriman doesnt cover Recievers , Al Wilson Stuffs the run , Covers recievers ,TE , special teams ,Captians the D , Skill level Merriman would have to climb a step ladder to Kiss Al Wilsons ass ............
D Will is , just give him time .......... but we all know Champ is the best ..... So i dont need to bring him up ........... but just so you know , you look stupid as hell thinking Merriman is anywhere near the Backer Wilson is ............

[TheDave]

who was clueless about merriman? the person who said he wasnt half of wilson? yea i disagreed with that. if what i said about merriman makes me clueless, plz enlighten me. btw, darrent williams isnt half of jammer.

Now you've gone too far... i will take Williams over "half a step slow" Jammer any day. If darrent had the bennefit of your passrush in front of him he would be one of the league leaders in picks every year.

[reef shark]

Completely Clueless ,when I said Wilson covered moss 50 + yards down field , you guys admitted Merriman doesnt cover Recievers , Al Wilson Stuffs the run , Covers recievers ,TE , special teams ,Captians the D , Skill level Merriman would have to climb a step ladder to Kiss Al Wilsons ass ............
D Will is , just give him time .......... but we all know Champ is the best ..... So i dont need to bring him up ........... but just so you know , you look stupid as hell thinking Merriman is anywhere near the Backer Wilson is ............

i actually said before that comparing them was wrong. in a way i was agreeing with on that, but on the issue of run stuffing, merriman exceeds wilson. ck the stats. merriman also isnt asked to cover receivers like wilson, bc wade phillips' system doesnt facilitate that. overall pass rush and run stuffing, merriman is better than wilson. all you got for an argument is the coverage.

[Spider]

Now you've gone too far... i will take Williams over "half a step slow" Jammer any day. If darrent had the bennefit of your passrush in front of him he would be one of the league leaders in picks every year.

they went to far thinking Merriman is in Wilsons league , Hel lthey admitted Merriman cant cover , Wilson does steriod free mind you ............. Merriman is just another freaking Brian Bosworth ...........

[reef shark]

Now you've gone too far... i will take Williams over "half a step slow" Jammer any day. If darrent had the bennefit of your passrush in front of him he would be one of the league leaders in picks every year.

so youre actually talking about the rest of the defense, and not the two players... if you are, jammer has better speed than williams.

[Rock Chalk]

Here's your tampon Merriman, you ****ing pussy.

[Spider]

i but on the issue of run stuffing, merriman exceeds wilson. ck the stats.

you are full of Shít , stats , Stats between a 3-4 and 4-3 defense ........... yeah brilliant .........

[reef shark]

you are full of Shít , stats , Stats between a 3-4 and 4-3 defense ........... yeah brilliant .........

yea thank you

[Spider]

yea thank you

any time ...........

[reef shark]

so i guess it is conceded that merriman is better against the run than wilson...

[Rock Chalk]

No, Merriman is a pussy, Wilson is a god damn soldier.

**** off and die.

[Spider]

so i guess it is conceded that merriman is better against the run than wilson...

, Nope not at all , I think you see the light , but a 3-4 is a different Defense then a 4-3 , but you know that , you are just trying to save face , we both know Wilson is the better backer , he can do it all , and do it all very well , Merriman on Roids cant do it .............. Case closed ..........

[reef shark]

, Nope not at all , I think you see the light , but a 3-4 is a different Defense then a 4-3 , but you know that , you are just trying to save face , we both know Wilson is the better backer , he can do it all , and do it all very well , Merriman on Roids cant do it .............. Case closed ..........


i know 3-4 is different from 4-3... when i said ck the stats, i expected someone to actually do it, not rely on opinions... merrimans tackles come much closer to the LOS then wilson's...he also has more tackles for a loss...this is excluding sacks. but like i said, you have an argument for pass coverage, bc that isnt what merriman is normally asked to do. i understand they play different positions in a different defense, but i was only responding to someone else who first made this comparison.

[Spider]

i know 3-4 is different from 4-3... when i said ck the stats, i expected someone to actually do it, not rely on opinions... merrimans tackles come much closer to the LOS then wilson's...he also has more tackles for a loss...this is excluding sacks. but like i said, you have an argument for pass coverage, bc that isnt what merriman is normally asked to do. i understand they play different positions in a different defense, but i was only responding to someone else who first made this comparison.

the comparision is Al Wilson can do all of that , and cover , Merriman cant , and add to it Wilson Covered Moss 50+ downfield is more then most CB ........ Heap knows Wilson very well , as does LT , holmes , LJ toasted Wilson , but the rematch should be great ...........

[reef shark]

the comparision is Al Wilson can do all of that , and cover , Merriman cant , and add to it Wilson Covered Moss 50+ downfield is more then most CB ........ Heap knows Wilson very well , as does LT , holmes , LJ toasted Wilson , but the rematch should be great ...........

how many sacks does wilson have in the last 2 years...i think it isnt 1/4 of merriman's....

[Spider]

how many sacks does wilson have in the last 2 years...i think it isnt 1/4 of merriman's....

Merriman is 1 trick poney ....... Wilson is the whole damn Show ........... you will have to come better then that ........... oh and we realy dont blitz ..........
But talking ball with you is pretty useless , so what do you think .Does themla and louise ever make that Jump ?

[reef shark]

i was trying to say before that merriman had more tackles for a loss, and a bigger percentage of his tackles are closer to the LOS...maybe you didnt see that. i am not trying to take nething away from wilson, i actually have some respect for him. im trying to say that merriman isnt only a passrusher, he stops the run too. that pretty much covers all phases, if you expect a defense to put dbs on other teams' primary receivers like they are supposed to....

[Spider]

i was trying to say before that merriman had more tackles for a loss, and a bigger percentage of his tackles are closer to the LOS...maybe you didnt see that. i am not trying to take nething away from wilson, i actually have some respect for him. im trying to say that merriman isnt only a passrusher, he stops the run too. that pretty much covers all phases, if you expect a defense to put dbs on other teams' primary receivers like they are supposed to....

well we will have to agree to disagree , Under different D cords Wilson put up excellent #'s though I hate stats , no need to get into that , 2 stats I care about 3 rd downs and scoreboards ............ I will say this , if Denver had Merriman , we would have a simon fletcher back ...........

[reef shark]

well we will have to agree to disagree , Under different D cords Wilson put up excellent #'s though I hate stats , no need to get into that , 2 stats I care about 3 rd downs and scoreboards ............ I will say this , if Denver had Merriman , we would have a simon fletcher back ...........


agreeing to disagree is the best solution sometimes. btw, thelma didnt need louise for the jump, louise's boobs were holding them down.

[TheDave]

so youre actually talking about the rest of the defense, and not the two players... if you are, jammer has better speed than williams.

Sorry, but you're wrong he is no where near as quick as Williams... Your boy jammer has been a big part of the most picked on secondary for years. Sad thing is you still have a much better pass rush than we do and he still gets picked on. Stick with your default merriman and Lt arguments

[Spider]

agreeing to disagree is the best solution sometimes. btw, thelma didnt need louise for the jump, louise's boobs were holding them down.

;D boobs = Very good

[WoodMan]

And it still doesn't explain why his head's bigger than the Michelin tire guy. Maybe it runs in his family? :~ohyah!:

You mean his Mom took steroids while he was in the womb?

[theAPAOps5]

THATS why he had the positive test. It was in his system since birth!

[zdoor]

He claims he's innocent and that he dropped the appeal because he knew he was going to lose. Wow, thanks for posting that article it brought so much more to the front than had been presented before he was suspended. His claim of innocence totally swayed me, I no longer think that Merriman is a cheater. Next time try adding something before you claim someone else is responding on auto-pilot, this article provided nothing new.

He tested positive for Nandralone. That is almost impossible to get in your system "by accident"...

[Black96WS6]

Who's better...Jammer or Champ Bailey?

:homer:

[reef shark]

Sorry, but you're wrong he is no where near as quick as Williams... Your boy jammer has been a big part of the most picked on secondary for years. Sad thing is you still have a much better pass rush than we do and he still gets picked on. Stick with your default merriman and Lt arguments

when youre barely 5 9, youre supposed to be quicker than everyone else...im aware of the pass defense not being so good in recent years, but maybe if the secondary didnt see so many pass attempts the stats would be different. if we are talking about pass attempts at jammer and williams for this year, you have no argument. quarterbacks are learning to stay away from him, unlike williams...

[dungbeetle]

He tested positive for Nandralone. That is almost impossible to get in your system "by accident"...

And when you consider how many times these guys get tested throughout the year, and that this was his first positive test ever, the claims that he's a habitual roid user just look that much more absurd. Sorry, though, I wouldn't expect logic or rational thought to enter into this discussion.

[Black96WS6]

He tested positive for Nandralone. That is almost impossible to get in your system "by accident"...

We already hashed this out back at the SD forums. I'm starting to lean in Shawne's favor, I do think it was a tainted supplement.

Check this article out, it's good info. Actually everyone should read it:

http://www.active.com/story.cfm?story_id=7081

highlights:
The typical routine is first "I'm innocent" because some diet guru gave them some tainted supplement. Then there is some suspension that the athlete protests, asks for an appeal, then ends up serving. There is no sport governing body that accepts ignorance as an excuse: You took it, you tested positive, you should've known, you are suspended.

Even in incredibly small amounts, nandrolone is detectable in the body. Therefore, a urine sample may be positive for 60 days or more after the last dose.

If nandrolone is on the banned list and being so easily detected, isn't it odd that athletes suddenly are testing positive for nandrolone? Do you really believe that they are consciously testing their fates with this drug in the name of greater glory? Something else must be going on, leading to all these positive tests.

This increase could be explained by newer "nutritional supplements" that can be purchased over the counter in many stores and over the Internet. These supplements are termed "prohormones."

A prohormone is any steroid-like substance that even remotely resembles testosterone and might serve as a building block for testosterone. They also refer to any steroid-like substance that might exert an anabolic and/or androgenic action similar to testosterone or one of its synthetic derivatives.

The bottom line: No professional and Olympic athlete should take these supplements, because their urine will test positive for nandrolone in as little as three days and for as long as 60 or more days. Here is a quote from a Web site selling these products: "The product has a very long half life and should be discontinued at least 60 days prior to being drug tested."

The moral of the story: Stay informed. Read labels and know what you are taking in supplement form. I even saw an Internet company whose creatine monohydrate is boosted with a 19-Nor additive.

Just because something is sold over the counter or by mail order and labeled as natural does not mean it is safe to use, and most of all, it could lead to a positive drug test.

Summary: He was a doofus for taking supplements in the 1st place, but I now don't believe he cheated.

[Bronx33]

And when you consider how many times these guys get tested throughout the year, and that this was his first positive test ever, the claims that he's a habitual roid user just look that much more absurd. Sorry, though, I wouldn't expect logic or rational thought to enter into this discussion.


Or it shows how stupid merriman is.

[zdoor]

We already hashed this out back at the SD forums. I'm starting to lean in Shawne's favor, I do think it was a tainted supplement.

Check this article out, it's good info. Actually everyone should read it:

http://www.active.com/story.cfm?story_id=7081

highlights:


Summary: He was a doofus for taking supplements in the 1st place, but I now don't believe he cheated.

Sorry bro but you are wrong. Prohormones are precursors to steroids meaning the turn into they target steroid when they pass through the liver. Most athletes do not use prohormones as the method by which the survive first pass through the liver, most commonly now a methyl attachment at the right molecule is very harmful and over continued use causes toxicity in the liver. Early prohormones were not methylated they were actually converted into the target hormone through naturally occurring enzymes in the body. The most common prohormone for nandralone, 19-Nor-4-androsten-3,17-dione, converts at less than 5% and is not very effective.

Athletes, such as but not limited to your boy Merriman, know that they will get a positive test from using a prohormone and that prohormones in general have the same side effects with effectively minimal results. Guy's whose livliehood depend on the performance of there body know what they put in it. Admitting to taken a prohormone and claiming to not know it is a steroid precursor or could lead to a positive result when being tested is ridiculous. Athletes have trainers that know what they are doing, they don't use prohormones and they don't put things in their body by accident unless there as dumb as a box of rocks, which Merriman isn't. He was using a phenylpropionate version of nadralone, which is a fast acting and short esthered version (which means it leaves the body quickly) and got caught. He is by no means the only one who uses these types of drugs in the NFL. He's just unlucky.

They are rampant in NCAA,hell in division 1 there is so much pressure to use its ridiculous, and everyone knows whose getting tested and when. It's not hard to work the system. But believe what you want.

[zdoor]

Also trace amounts of a prohormone caused by a lab producing more than one product is a lame excuse. It converts at less than 5 % orally and would take a ****load of trace amounts to produce a positive...

[Black96WS6]

If he did cheat then he's a moron.

Although if what you say is true, then everyone must do it, so perhaps there's the pressure there. Still doesn't excuse it though.

"So, Barry, somebody gave you this cream....you didn't know what it was...but you rubbed it on your buttocks anyway?!?!"

"That's correct.."

LOL

[zdoor]

And when you consider how many times these guys get tested throughout the year, and that this was his first positive test ever, the claims that he's a habitual roid user just look that much more absurd. Sorry, though, I wouldn't expect logic or rational thought to enter into this discussion.

Sorry but you know little about drug use and testing. It happens a lot and there are MANY ways to avoid detection.

Your boy claimed to have decreased his bodyfat and increased his lean body mass by what, 15lbs in one off season. Sorry but that doesn't happen to a guy who is already at an advanced level of muscular development without help. For a novice or amatuer weightlifter with relatively low muscle mass and average bodyfat it can happen. But, for a guy who is already VERY well developed and been training consistently for years to do that with a change in workout routine is a fairy tale.

Regardless Merriman is a great player. But he is one among many who has had some help in acheiving there physical potential...

[Circle Orange]

*Scratches head*

Hmm...Chargers 4-0 in Happyman's absense. Team gives up 21 points on D after his first return.

Yup, impact...http://scosoft.com/s/g/dff6b4b.gif

[reef shark]

Sorry but you know little about drug use and testing. It happens a lot and there are MANY ways to avoid detection.

Your boy claimed to have decreased his bodyfat and increased his lean body mass by what, 15lbs in one off season. Sorry but that doesn't happen to a guy who is already at an advanced level of muscular development without help. For a novice or amatuer weightlifter with relatively low muscle mass and average bodyfat it can happen. But, for a guy who is already VERY well developed and been training consistently for years to do that with a change in workout routine is a fairy tale.

Regardless Merriman is a great player. But he is one among many who has had some help in acheiving there physical potential...

i think he actually lost weight in the offseason

[Los Broncos]

This guy is un blockable.

[boltssbbound]

*Scratches head*

Hmm...Chargers 4-0 in Happyman's absense. Team gives up 21 points on D after his first return.

Yup, impact...http://scosoft.com/s/g/dff6b4b.gif

Due to a couple of weather-related mistakes--the ball slipping out of Rivers' hands and a very short punt that was knocked down by the brutal wind, the Bills had two TD drives that totaled a combined 25 yards. Their third TD drive happened at the end of the game, only after one of our safeties, Hart, had made the game clinching INT, only to inexplicably drop it as he was on his way to the ground. On that play it was 3rd and 22. If Hart would have just dropped the INT it would have been 4th and 22 and game over. Instead, he picked it off, didn't just go to the ground immediately and ended up giving the ball back to Buffalo with a first down.

The Bills had 230 yards of total offense on Sunday, and 65 of those yards came after Hart's INT and subsequent fumble. Merriman had 6 tackles, 2 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 1 Pass knockdown and several QB pressures. Sounds like impact to me.

[boltaneer]

The Bills scored that last touchdown thanks to the prevent defense after the interception and fumble. Since they were winning by ten, the Chargers let the Bills go down the field as long as they used up all the clock, which they did.

The other two scores were set up by a big punt return and a turnover deep that were both deep in Charger's territory.

I thought the defense played pretty well. It was the offense that was struggling most of the day (minus LT).

[RMANCIL]

Sorry bro but you are wrong. Prohormones are precursors to steroids meaning the turn into they target steroid when they pass through the liver. Most athletes do not use prohormones as the method by which the survive first pass through the liver, most commonly now a methyl attachment at the right molecule is very harmful and over continued use causes toxicity in the liver. Early prohormones were not methylated they were actually converted into the target hormone through naturally occurring enzymes in the body. The most common prohormone for nandralone, 19-Nor-4-androsten-3,17-dione, converts at less than 5% and is not very effective.

Athletes, such as but not limited to your boy Merriman, know that they will get a positive test from using a prohormone and that prohormones in general have the same side effects with effectively minimal results. Guy's whose livliehood depend on the performance of there body know what they put in it. Admitting to taken a prohormone and claiming to not know it is a steroid precursor or could lead to a positive result when being tested is ridiculous. Athletes have trainers that know what they are doing, they don't use prohormones and they don't put things in their body by accident unless there as dumb as a box of rocks, which Merriman isn't. He was using a phenylpropionate version of nadralone, which is a fast acting and short esthered version (which means it leaves the body quickly) and got caught. He is by no means the only one who uses these types of drugs in the NFL. He's just unlucky.

They are rampant in NCAA,hell in division 1 there is so much pressure to use its ridiculous, and everyone knows whose getting tested and when. It's not hard to work the system. But believe what you want.

All the points you make sound to me to validate Merrimans position that he did not take knowing take that ingredient that and the points that you make of limited effectiveness and easy detectability argue that in fact he did not.

He tested positive in August while in training camp.

He's admitted to taking five different unapproved supplements . With a study done around 2000 that discovered that 17% of the supplements being tainted and/or containing ingredients not listed on the container in the unregulated US industry, Shawne was playing with fire by not having the supplements tested before putting them into his body - and he got burned.
Bottom line he should have not used product not on the N.F.L. approved list and as a result he will be more closely monitored and he hurt his marketability potentially costing himself millions.

If his play is all about roids we should see a big drop in his performance.
Don't hold your breath.

[RMANCIL]

Just to share before the big game a few opinions from some of the press around the league.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9851988

SHORT YARDAGE
•I'm convinced. The San Diego Chargers are a great team. In Week 13, they took control early against an inferior opponent, the Buffalo Bills, and maintained it until the end. Oh, the Bills did manage to make things a little interesting in the third quarter when, after taking a 17-0 halftime lead, the Chargers seemed to suffer a slight concentration lapse. But the game was not as close as the 24-21 final score indicated. The Chargers also are great because they have the league's best players on each side of the ball in LaDainian Tomlinson and Shawne Merriman. Tomlinson continues to separate himself from all players at all positions in the NFL. He is as fast and explosive as anyone I have ever seen play the game. He has no equal among running backs and I'm not sure there is a ball-carrier who catches the ball as well as he does. Brian Urlacher is an outstanding linebacker, but Merriman can do everything that Urlacher does as a linebacker while also being a consistently dominant pass-rusher. On many plays, Merriman was virtually unblockable. And this was a guy who had missed the previous four games while serving as suspension for violating the NFL's substance-abuse policy.


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6242202

Broncos at Chargers: Shawne Merriman returned to the Chargers defense last week and promptly recorded two sacks and two forced fumbles. He then squeezed a lump of coal into a diamond and flew around the Earth backwards until he reversed time, allowing the Browns a few extra minutes to come back and beat the Chiefs and improve the Chargers' playoff prospects.

Yep, Merriman is that good, and he didn't feel any ill effects from his month-long suspension. "Playing football is like riding a bike; you never forget how to do it," he said on Sunday. "Or driving a car; you never forget how to do it. Sometimes you're a little rusty and it doesn't feel comfortable driving that car when you get back to it, but you get back to it pretty quick." Well, we've never felt rusty about driving a car, but we get the point.

Three weeks ago, the Merriman-less Chargers faced off against the Broncos in Denver, and Rundown boldly predicted a Chargers victory. We took some flak for bucking the "Marty Schottenheimer Can't Win in Denver" storyline favored by the sports talk gabbers, but we held our ground. The Chargers spotted the Broncos a 17-point lead, then executed their second unlikely comeback in as many weeks and not once did we break a sweat.

Now, the Chargers are at home and closer to full strength on defense, making them eight-point favorites. And after Sunday night's reality-check performance against the Seahawks, Jay Cutler's golden halo is a little tarnished. "Who's the third string quarterback?" Woody Paige asked on Sunday in his Denver Post column. It's Preston Parsons, Woody, and you might see him if Merriman gets a clean shot at Cutler.

Take the Chargers this week, and remember who told you that first.

I thought you guys might enjoy that. :thanku:

[jimmy_jim420]

nobody cares. go crawl back under your rock you worthless piece of crap. or better yet, just kill yourself already.

[reef shark]

some fans here really dont give their team a good name. good job jim.

[RMANCIL]

What is over looked by most novice fans is the Merriman may not even be the best LB on the Chargers. While Merriman is being compared to Super Man
and Wilson .

His best competition could be from shaun Phillips his teamate.

For those who want to learn a little more about the silent assasin

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/players/playerpage/493029

Year Team G Total Tkl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def
2004 San Diego Chargers 16 26 21.0 5 4 1 0 0.0 0 0 2
2005 San Diego Chargers 15 34 32.0 2 7 0 0 0.0 0 0 1
2006 San Diego Chargers 10 50 35.0 15 10.5 0 0 0.0 0 0 3
TOTAL 41 110 88.0 22 21.5 1 0 0.0 0 0 6


Fumbles
Year Team G Fum Lost Fum Forced Own Rec Opp Rec Yds Tot Rec TD
2004 SD 16 0 0 0 0 2 0 2 0
2005 SD 15 0 0 3 0 1 0 1 0
2006 SD 10 0 0 4 1 1 0 2 0
TOTAL 41 0 0 7 1 4 0 5 0

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:J39BfVO_NZUJ:www.chargers.com/team/roster/shaun-phillips.htm+shaun+Phillips+chargers&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

[zdoor]

All the points you make sound to me to validate Merrimans position that he did not take knowing take that ingredient that and the points that you make of limited effectiveness and easy detectability argue that in fact he did not.

He tested positive in August while in training camp.

He's admitted to taking five different unapproved supplements . With a study done around 2000 that discovered that 17% of the supplements being tainted and/or containing ingredients not listed on the container in the unregulated US industry, Shawne was playing with fire by not having the supplements tested before putting them into his body - and he got burned.
Bottom line he should have not used product not on the N.F.L. approved list and as a result he will be more closely monitored and he hurt his marketability potentially costing himself millions.

If his play is all about roids we should see a big drop in his performance.
Don't hold your breath.

You can interpret what I wrote any way you want I guess.

My point was to accidentally injest a supplement that has been "tainted" (a supplement with trace amounts of the prohormone for nandralone) would be VERY UNLIKELY to register a positive result in a drug test. The reason it would be unlikely is that the prohormone only converts at 5% to nandralone, and that is an optimistic conversion rate. So a trace amount (the claim that it was in a supplement that was labeled as something else, because the manufacturer had produced something after producing the prohormone and there was some residual amount that showed up in the other product) being taken would have to be a huge quantity of the other supplement. Because the target steroid, in this case nandralone, is only converted from the prohormone at a rate of 5%. You would have to injest a lot of the prohormone to produce a positive test for nandralone. It is almost impossible that it would happen this way.

Now if the claim was that he did not know he was taking a steroid because he was taking a prohormone and he didn't realize it could produce a positive result. That is totally ridiculous. Every athlete knows very well what the supplements they use do and why they take them. A prohormone, is considered now and was considered in the summer, an illegal (against the law) supplement and a steroid. Athletes know what they are and what they do and the side effects. In fact they even require a post cycle therapy, the same as an injectable steroid to recover after cycling. If his claim was he took a prohormone not knowing what it was, that is total BS. You can choose to believe what you want but athletes at this level have good trainers and nknow what they are doing. Further they don't use prohormones to begin with, the real thing is just as easy to get and has the same and many feel less severe side effects since injectables don't have to pass thru the liver.

Personally I don't think he took prohormones. It was the real thing. There were many stories this summer about how merriman had been working out with a boxin style training regimen and had reduced his body fat and added lean muscle mass. Well, sorry to break it to you but that is what steroids do. Nandralone is especially popular with contact sports athletes because it has a strong healing effect and can greatly reduce joint pain.

You as a fan can choose to believe whatever you want, I don't care. But your boy knew what he was doing and just got unlucky....

[zdoor]

Also to add I really don't care about his positive test. When millions of dollars are at risk steroids will be a part of sports, just like pain killers are handed out like candy, and are equally damaging to the body when abused

People don't realize that steroids don't make the players great, they allow them to recover from training faster and in some cases heal from injury faster. I would love to have Merriman as a Bronco regardless. He's a monster...

[jimmy_jim420]

some fans here really dont give their team a good name. good job jim.

kill yourself you fat piece of crap

[Mediator12]

All the points you make sound to me to validate Merrimans position that he did not take knowing take that ingredient that and the points that you make of limited effectiveness and easy detectability argue that in fact he did not.

He tested positive in August while in training camp.

He's admitted to taking five different unapproved supplements . With a study done around 2000 that discovered that 17% of the supplements being tainted and/or containing ingredients not listed on the container in the unregulated US industry, Shawne was playing with fire by not having the supplements tested before putting them into his body - and he got burned.
Bottom line he should have not used product not on the N.F.L. approved list and as a result he will be more closely monitored and he hurt his marketability potentially costing himself millions.

If his play is all about roids we should see a big drop in his performance.
Don't hold your breath.

If it is about Steroids we may still never know. Not only can the makers stay ahead of the testers, they have been doing it for some time. The problem is that the makers got greedy and sloppy in the Balco case and they were arrogant and hubris. They pissed off the wrong people and the witch hunt was on.

Performance enhancing drugs are extremely profitable and desirable even with the enhanced awareness of their use. The demand is still there and there are plenty of smart people willing to do what it takes to make great wealth. This has just made it harder to enforce and test instead of the opposite it was designed to do. The other people making the drugs are aware of how Balco screwed up and will be even more careful and cautious.

Personally, I could care less about how Merriman got the drugs into his system. The fact that he got caught with them just shows how reckless he was and the lengths he will go to get better. He is a great athlete already, but needed more. Let's see if he learns anything from this.

Anyway, he served his suspension, albeit playing the reluctant to fight card. I enjoy watching him play and he is going against my team this week. I just hope Meadows is healed because he will kill foster. Pears is getting better each week and usually has designed help on the pass rush from the left. Should be fun to watch regardless.

[boltssbbound]

If it is about Steroids we may still never know. Not only can the makers stay ahead of the testers, they have been doing it for some time. The problem is that the makers got greedy and sloppy in the Balco case and they were arrogant and hubris. They pissed off the wrong people and the witch hunt was on.

Performance enhancing drugs are extremely profitable and desirable even with the enhanced awareness of their use. The demand is still there and there are plenty of smart people willing to do what it takes to make great wealth. This has just made it harder to enforce and test instead of the opposite it was designed to do. The other people making the drugs are aware of how Balco screwed up and will be even more careful and cautious.

Personally, I could care less about how Merriman got the drugs into his system. The fact that he got caught with them just shows how reckless he was and the lengths he will go to get better. He is a great athlete already, but needed more. Let's see if he learns anything from this.

Anyway, he served his suspension, albeit playing the reluctant to fight card. I enjoy watching him play and he is going against my team this week. I just hope Meadows is healed because he will kill foster. Pears is getting better each week and usually has designed help on the pass rush from the left. Should be fun to watch regardless.


The only reason the BALCO guys were ever found out is because a Track and Field coach, whose athletes had been cheating with the help of BALCO, sent a syringe of BALCO's designer steroid to the IOC.

Merriman's suspension is going to be a footnote in a long and prosperous career. Just like J. Peppers' positive test.

[jimmy_jim420]

yea, it's going to be a footnote alright....

Shawn Merriman*

*all records achieved through use of performance enhancing drugs and shouldn't be considered along with athletes that achieved records legitimately.

[theAPAOps5]

nobody cares. go crawl back under your rock you worthless piece of crap. or better yet, just kill yourself already.

WOW! Nice way to represent there. How old are you 12 maybe 13. Thats pretty sad.

[RMANCIL]

Also to add I really don't care about his positive test. When millions of dollars are at risk steroids will be a part of sports, just like pain killers are handed out like candy, and are equally damaging to the body when abused

People don't realize that steroids don't make the players great, they allow them to recover from training faster and in some cases heal from injury faster. I would love to have Merriman as a Bronco regardless. He's a monster...

I am not a expert in fact for from it that said it seems that Merrimans clain isn't as for fetched as some would believe.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/medical_notes/241341.stm

Are tests for nandrolone conclusive?
Even though a drug test may indicate that the subject has apparently taken nandrolone to boost muscle growth and increase strength, this does not necessarily prove wrongdoing.

It is possible that the body may naturally create a form of nandrolone, particularly if the subject has eaten large quantities of meat contaminated with the substance.

It is also possible that dietary supplements taken perfectly legally by some athletes are broken down by the body to produce the same substances created when nandrolone is broken down. What are anabolic steroids?


Click on the link for the entire story. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/medical_notes/241341.stm)


Knowing your supplements can help you avoid a positive nandrolone test

By Dr. Donald Kirkendall
Active.com
June 05, 2001

Last week, FIFA announced that the Netherlands' Edgar Davids and Portuguese national team captain Fernando Couto were among eight players in the Italian Serie A league who tested positive for the steroid nandrolone and have been suspended from international play.
Davids' Dutch teammate Frank De Boer is also under investigation. Positive tests for nandrolone in sports have become almost epidemic and routinely make front-page news.

The typical routine is first ?I?m innocent? because some diet guru gave them some tainted supplement. Then there is some suspension that the athlete protests, asks for an appeal, then ends up serving. There is no sport governing body that accepts ignorance as an excuse: You took it, you tested positive, you should?ve known, you are suspended.

So why do athletes test positive for nandrolone? Dietary supplements are being blamed, and many athletes have said the drug ? or precursors of the drug found in urine samples ? may have been present in food supplements, as they have "never" taken an anabolic steroid.

So what is nandrolone? It?s a prescription anabolic-androgenic steroid that was popular among strength athletes as far back as the 1970s due to its effectiveness in producing muscle growth and speeding recovery with minimal side effects. Unlike testosterone, this synthetic steroid has strong anabolic properties (muscle building), but only moderate androgenic properties (secondary male sex characteristics).

Medically, nandrolone is used in anemia or selected kidney disorders. Nandrolone also can increase hemoglobin and red blood cell mass, making it popular with endurance athletes.

Nandrolone use declined quickly when it was added to the drug-testing list in 1975. Even in incredibly small amounts, nandrolone is detectable in the body. Therefore, a urine sample may be positive for 60 days or more after the last dose. That?s why athletes get caught on random drug tests.

While nandrolone is produced in small amounts by the body itself, laboratories accredited by the International Olympic Committee (IOC) reported over 300 positive tests for nandrolone in a variety of sports. The labs say the amounts detected far exceed that produced naturally. Nandrolone and its metabolites are tested in the laboratory by a method called gas chromatography/mass spectroscopy and is accurate over 99 percent of the time. The false positive rate is less than 1 in 10,000 tests.

If nandrolone is on the banned list and being so easily detected, isn?t it odd that athletes suddenly are testing positive for nandrolone? Do you really believe that they are consciously testing their fates with this drug in the name of greater glory? Something else must be going on, leading to all these positive tests.

This increase could be explained by newer "nutritional supplements" that can be purchased over the counter in many stores and over the Internet. These supplements are termed "prohormones."

A prohormone is any steroid-like substance that even remotely resembles testosterone and might serve as a building block for testosterone. They also refer to any steroid-like substance that might exert an anabolic and/or androgenic action similar to testosterone or one of its synthetic derivatives.

So why does taking prohormone supplements lead to positive tests for a prescription anabolic steroid on the order of nandrolone? The public's awareness of these substances was raised with androstenedione, used by baseball player Mark McGwire, and androstenediol. When the first of these prohormones were released, the scientific community found that these substances converted mostly to the female hormone estrogen and not into testosterone.

In men, high levels of estrogen relative to testosterone have been associated with a variety of abnormalities including heart disease, prostate problems and breast development. So in response to these potential health problems the supplement industry came up with the so-called "19-Nor" prohormones.

For you organic chemists, the modified prohormones androstenedione and androstenediol lack a carbon group at position number 19 on the steroid backbone. At best, they are distant cousins of testosterone, and more closely resemble nandrolone; also a 19-nor substance. However, unlike the nonprescription 19-nors, nandrolone is only available with a prescription because it is a proven anabolic steroid.

In fact, both 19-norandrostenedione and 19-norandrostenediol (two popular over-the-counter 19-nor prohormones) so closely resemble nandrolone in structure that they are either identified in the body as nandrolone or can actually become nandrolone once in the system.

Herein lies the problem for athletes. To athletes wanting more muscle mass, this looks like a dream: essentially an over-the-counter nandrolone. Muscle mass and no prescription. However, athletes competing in competitions where drug testing is performed are only asking to get caught.

So are athletes coming up positive because they are taking a "supplement," or are they actually taking the banned substance nandrolone? What difference does it make? Both they and their team suffer.

The bottom line: No professional and Olympic athlete should take these supplements, because their urine will test positive for nandrolone in as little as three days and for as long as 60 or more days. Here is a quote from a Web site selling these products: ?The product has a very long half life and should be discontinued at least 60 days prior to being drug tested.?

The moral of the story: Stay informed. Read labels and know what you are taking in supplement form. I even saw an Internet company whose creatine monohydrate is boosted with a 19-Nor additive.

Just because something is sold over the counter or by mail order and labeled as natural does not mean it is safe to use ? and most of all, it could lead to a positive drug test.

Any supplement that includes the following ingredients should be avoided. Lists like these are never complete, so check with appropriate authorities before taking any supplement reported to be a natural muscle-building substance.

Dehydroepiandrostenedione (DHEA)
Androstenedione
Androstendiol
4-Androstenediol
5-Androstenediol
19-Norandrostenedione

Some products that contain ingredients that could trigger a positive test for nandrolone include:

Ingredient: Digydroepiandrostendione (DHEA)
Products: Twinlab 7-Ketofuel, Twinlab Growth Fuel, Twinlab DHEA Fuel, Twinlab Tribulus Fuel stack, Olympian Labs DHEA, Muscle Tech Anotesten

Ingredient: Androstenedione
Products: Champion Androstendione, Muscle Tech Anotesten, Muscle Tech Nortestin, Cytodyne Androdyne, Olympian Labs Androstene Power, Twinlab 7-Ketofuel

Ingredient: Androstenediol
Products: ASN Maxabol, GEN Cyclodex 4-Adiol, Muscle Tech Acetabol ANII, Muscle Tech Anotesten, Cytodyne Tech Androdyne


Based on that report I would have to say that Merriman may be accused of being foolish he very well could test positive by taking over the counter supplements which is excatly what he claims.

[theAPAOps5]

Everyone deserves second chances. Merriman supplements or not deserves his chance. I bet he never tests positive again. I'll still call him out though:angel: in fun!

[jimmy_jim420]

WOW! Nice way to represent there. How old are you 12 maybe 13. Thats pretty sad.

sorry, but i don't really care what overweight, mentally deficient retards such as yourself think about me. welcome to the ignore list, fat boy.

[theAPAOps5]

sorry, but i don't really care what overweight, mentally deficient retards such as yourself think about me. welcome to the ignore list, fat boy.

This is just downright funny. Get back to your homework little boy.

[jimmy_jim420]

dude, do you ever leave the computer? you responded before i even had the chance to put you on the ignore list. don't bother responding, you'll definitely be on there by the next time you try to spout any more worthless drivel out of your fat face.

[theAPAOps5]

dude, do you ever leave the computer? you responded before i even had the chance to put you on the ignore list. don't bother responding, you'll definitely be on there by the next time you try to spout any more worthless drivel out of your fat face.

ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! ROFL!

Mommy is calling you for dinner.

This is for everyone else so they can laugh at jimmy_jim. I especially like fat comment. Sounds like some repressed emotion there. Get on the Jared Diet looks like it worked for him. That is if your allowance is enough.

[dungbeetle]

dude, do you ever leave the computer? you responded before i even had the chance to put you on the ignore list. don't bother responding, you'll definitely be on there by the next time you try to spout any more worthless drivel out of your fat face.

Haha, new to a board and even your fellow fans already can't stand you, I love it. I know, I know, I'll go kill myself now....
:rofl:

[theAPAOps5]

Haha, new to a board and even your fellow fans already can't stand you, I love it. I know, I know, I'll go kill myself now....
:rofl:

Whoa watch it! He might put you on ignore! :giggle:

[reef shark]

kill yourself you fat piece of crap


LOL. i really think youre trying to be funny, or else youre just too dumb from all the weed u been smoking... why dont you try talking about football, considering this website?

[theAPAOps5]

LOL. i really think youre trying to be funny, or else youre just too dumb from all the weed u been smoking... why dont you try talking about football, considering this website?

Thats it buddy he is putting you on ignore. He doesn't smoke weed he just heard some song on MTV TRL and thought 420 sounded cool. Ha!

[jimmy_jim420]

Haha, new to a board and even your fellow fans already can't stand you, I love it. I know, I know, I'll go kill myself now....
:rofl:

and you are...?

[reef shark]

and you are...?


hes a guy that has actually talked about football. im still waiting for you to do the same... what are your thoughts on the baltimore KC game?

[theAPAOps5]

hes a guy that has actually talked about football. im still waiting for you to do the same... what are your thoughts on the baltimore KC game?

Yeah good luck getting anything remotely worthwhile from this guy. He will either call you fat, retarded, or tell you to kill yourself. That is his answer to everything.

[dungbeetle]

and you are...?

I'm a Charger fan with opposing viewpoints on pretty much every subject that's been brought up. Oh yeah, I'm not nearly as despised around here as you are. Have a nice day, kiddo.

[jimmy_jim420]

despised? lol... dude, it's a message board. calm down and go crawl back behind the refridgarator you piece of **** cockroach.

[reef shark]

despised? lol... dude, it's a message board. calm down and go crawl back behind the refridgarator you piece of **** cockroach.


i noticed how you sidestepped my question... didnt you see it or are you really incapable of talking about football? btw i have a feeling you will be banned.

[RMANCIL]

It looks like the real focus is playoff sitting as for as this game is concerned although I still think the Donkeys could get a playoff spot.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/16183579.htm

Colts, Chargers jockey for playoff position in AFC
By Charles Bricker

South Florida Sun-Sentinel

(MCT)

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. - You know it's the homestretch of the regular season when the grammatically challenged TV analysts begin telling you that some team "controls its own destiny."

Destiny: Noun. . . . from the Middle Eastern destinee . . . "a pre-determined course of events often held to an irresistible power or agency."

That means it's a fundamental contradiction that anyone can control his destiny. The whole concept behind "destiny" is that you can't control it.

Nevertheless, you'll soon hear that the Patriots, for one, "control their own destiny." They win three of their last four (Dolphins, Texans, Jaguars, Titans) and they clinch the AFC East. Three of those games are on the road, but the Pats are 5-0 away from Gillette Stadium, so it would be shocking if they don't capture the division.

More intriguing is the fight for homefield advantage in the AFC, where the Chargers and Colts both are 10-2. They don't play each other this year, so the key tiebreaker is conference record, and the Colts are 7-1, Chargers 8-2. Three of San Diego's tough final four are at home (Broncos, Chiefs, at Seahawks and Cards) while Indianapolis plays two at home (at Jaguars, Bengals, at Texans, Dolphins). In the Colts' favor: A head-to-head edge on the Patriots, if needed.

In the NFC, Bears quarterback Rex Grossman is about two more interceptions from yielding the floor to backup Brian Griese, despite coach Lovie Smith's ringing endorsement of Grossman this week.

Chicago is faltering, but they're still two games ahead of the Cowboys, Saints and Seahawks (all 8-4) for home-field advantage throughout the playoffs, and they've got a puff schedule (at Rams, Bucs, at Lions, Packers).

They don't control their own destiny, regardless of what you hear on TV. But they do control Grossman, and after 6-for-19 for 34 yards and three interceptions, he's giving other NFC teams a sense that the Bears can be had once the postseason begins.

Third-and-long

The four division leaders in the NFC are 8-7 in inter-conference play. The division leaders in the AFC are 12-2. ...

The improvement of rookie quarterback Vince Young and the Titans' three-game winning streak makes coach Jeff Fisher look a lot more likely to be back in Nashville in 2007 than he was a few weeks ago. But you can shove all the chips into the middle of the table and bet on the firing of Dennis Green at the Cards. Other than Green, there is no other head coach who looks like an obvious termination at this point, including Jon Gruden at Tampa Bay, who the Bucs like a lot. ...

Pete Rodriguez, the Jaguars' special teams coach, says Olindo Mare's on-side kick in the fourth quarter Sunday was the first time one has been successfully executed against one of his teams in his 19 years in the NFL. ...

It's still unthinkable to many, but the Falcons should be seriously considering trading quarterback Michael Vick. Everyone recognizes his current limitations, but there are 31 other clubs in the NFL. One of them is going to be willing to give a first-round pick for him because there's always at least one coach who thinks he can turn Vick into a complete quarterback. ...

Marty Schottenheimer, Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick have done remarkable jobs this year, but there is a stronger case to be made for two rookies as Coach of the Year - Eric Mangini of the Jets and Sean Payton of the Saints. ...

Hit the link for the rest of the story.

[RMANCIL]

How many sacks will Merriman get?

1) 1

2) 2

3) 3

4) a lot

5) more than the avg Donkey fan can count

[isis]

how many sacks of testicles have emptied their load on rmancil's face?

1)50

2)100

3)500

3)more than the amount of charger's fans at the average home game (about 15,000)

[Dedhed]

This kid is going to be in drug trouble his whole career. It's too bad because I think he has a ton of natural talent, but he's clearly already started down the dirty road and not many guys at that level can turn around once they've started down that path.

I would bet good money that he has another positive within 2 years.

[boltaneer]

This kid is going to be in drug trouble his whole career. It's too bad because I think he has a ton of natural talent, but he's clearly already started down the dirty road and not many guys at that level can turn around once they've started down that path.

I would bet good money that he has another positive within 2 years.

I completely disagree. If you listen to him talk about football, he has the desire to be one of the best.

He failed his test during training camp and has been clean since. His play this year has shown he can play at the highest level while clean.

Personally, I think his excuse is a believable one and it has happened to other players in the past as well. But even if knowingly took something this offseason, I don't see him taking that risk again and throwing it all away unnecessarily.

I think he is extremely dangerous now, only because he now has a giant chip on his shoulder and he now feels that he must prove all the doubters wrong.

[watermock]

Most of us kinda defended the Roidinator honestly...pay attention.

[RMANCIL]

Losing sucks don't it? :rofl:

[OrangeShadow]

Losing sucks don't it? :rofl:

Well you would know seeing as how you guys have been doing so since the mid 60s:rofl:

[Dedhed]

jammer has better speed than williams.

Jammer ran a 4.38 40-yard dash

The 4.29 run by Oklahoma State CB Darrent Williams

Both taken from press clippings. Next.

[Dedhed]

I completely disagree. If you listen to him talk about football, he has the desire to be one of the best.

He failed his test during training camp and has been clean since. His play this year has shown he can play at the highest level while clean.

Personally, I think his excuse is a believable one and it has happened to other players in the past as well. But even if knowingly took something this offseason, I don't see him taking that risk again and throwing it all away unnecessarily.

I think he is extremely dangerous now, only because he now has a giant chip on his shoulder and he now feels that he must prove all the doubters wrong.Of course you think his excuse is believable, you have a vested interest. His desire to be the best only fuels the need to use any means necessary to get to that level. Clearly steroids are a part of Merriman's effort to be the best.

The only way he'll prove the doubters wrong is by staying clean for the rest of his career. No one doubts his steroid aided ability.

[RMANCIL]

Well you would know seeing as how you guys have been doing so since the mid 60s:rofl:

Yes as a Bolt fan I know losing I also know winning. Most teams experience both over the years. The Broncos lost forever until Morton, Elway and Dan Reeves turn the franchise around.

Most younger Donk fans know winning and little else. That is about to change.

[Dedhed]

Yes as a Bolt fan I know losing I also know winning. Most teams experience both over the years. The Broncos lost forever untill Morton, Elway and Dan Reeves turn the franchise around.

Most younger Donk fans know winning and little else. That is about to change.

How?

[isis]

Yes as a Bolt fan I know losing I also know winning. Most teams experience both over the years. The Broncos lost forever until Morton, Elway and Dan Reeves turn the franchise around.

Most younger Donk fans know winning and little else. That is about to change.

When did the Chargers ever win anything? Oh yea, never. Congratulations on getting blown out in the Super Bowl I guess. Maybe someday you worthless cockroaches will get to enjoy winning one, but don't hold your breath.

[bpc]

The Chargers have followed the same routine for years... one good season out of ten. Pretty sad with all those high draft picks that is all they can muster.

How does anybody figure this will get any better for them? The head coach and GM are at each other's throat and the change from Schotty's reign when it happens will surely cost them a season.

Next year SD will have to play a better schedule and we'll also be farther along in the Cutler experiment. I'm smart enough to know that SD is going to be a contender but also that Denver is on an upwards swing as well. If the talent is equal, we will win. If there is one thing I know for sure, Shanahan will find our weaknesses in the offseason and try to improve them.

[RMANCIL]

The Chargers played the N.F.L. most difficult schedule last season and as for as Smith and Schottenhiemer as long as both do their job the Chargers will be just fine.

bpc on the wining front I see you guys as we look down and you look up and until that changes that is the new reality.

[bpc]

The Chargers played the N.F.L. most difficult schedule last season and as for as Smith and Schottenhiemer as long as both do their job the Chargers will be just fine.

bpc on the wining front I see you guys as we look down and you look up and until that changes that is the new reality.

Hey, SD is a talented team. Bout time they started putting all those top 5 draft selections to actual use.

I'm glad you brought up last season's schedule. Which just happens to be the last time you all played a first place schedule since 1994. Odd's are likely that you will face a similar one next season. Odd's are you all will choke and not win the division.

Enjoy this while you can. We had you down 24-7 in the first game. You of all people should know that Denver has been at its best against the Chargers, talented or not. I'm not going to say we will win this weekend, but I wouldn't be surprised if we played inspired ball and stole one from you guys.

[boltaneer]

Of course you think his excuse is believable, you have a vested interest.

I suppose so. But on that note, of course Bronco and other AFC rival fans won't think his excuse is a believable one. Hell, everyone was already slamming him when the story was first leaked but a lot of the information wasn't until days or weeks later.

Either way, he was foolish not to have the league look at the supplements he took beforehand. A lot of the media types and analysts are taking a bit of a different approach towards the Hollis Thomas incident, with a more sympathetic angle but IMO some are making a good point about Thomas not having his medication not looked at by the league as well. I don't care for how the rules are currently set up but as far as the NFL is concerned, they don't care how and why the illegal substances got into your body. If they test and find it, you're pretty much out of luck.


His desire to be the best only fuels the need to use any means necessary to get to that level. Clearly steroids are a part of Merriman's effort to be the best.

The only way he'll prove the doubters wrong is by staying clean for the rest of his career. No one doubts his steroid aided ability.

The question is: when did he ever play aided by steroids? The important thing to remember is that he tested positive in training camp. He's tested clean so far in every subsequent test as well as every test during last season.

Testing positive during the offseason and during the season is a substantial difference IMO. You just can't do it during the offseason for a little while, stop and reap the benefits until next offseason.

[Boltjolt]

This kid is going to be in drug trouble his whole career. It's too bad because I think he has a ton of natural talent, but he's clearly already started down the dirty road and not many guys at that level can turn around once they've started down that path.

I would bet good money that he has another positive within 2 years.

Wow....first i sense a lot of jealousy in this thread and rightly so. Id be jealous too of a great player on an opposing division rivals team that will be around for many years to kisk their cans twice a year.

However....posts like this are just plain funny and sad at the same time.
You clearly dont know a thing about Merriman or read any articles on him.

He is a good guy. He does a lot for the community already and he works hard.
The roid thing may or may not be legit. He says he takes the same supplement very time and has never tested possitive before and he was considering going after the maker of that supplement.

Im sure you would also want to call the DT of the Saints...Hollis Thomas a cheater too because he tested possitive from a banned substance in his asthma medication.

Those not in the know just lash out especially when they are jealous to begin with when it is a great player on a rivals team. Thats cool but dont be a fool with statements like that above. You dont know squat about the guy.

Just go ahead and hate but remember........he tested possitive back in August. Thats when it was first found and it took a while to come out and he has been doing great well after the fact and since it came out.....in the two games when it was revealed, he has 5 sacks.

I doubt he was "cheating" during those two games. Dont you think?

[Boltjolt]

Hey, SD is a talented team. Bout time they started putting all those top 5 draft selections to actual use.

I'm glad you brought up last season's schedule. Which just happens to be the last time you all played a first place schedule since 1994. Odd's are likely that you will face a similar one next season. Odd's are you all will choke and not win the division.

Enjoy this while you can. We had you down 24-7 in the first game. You of all people should know that Denver has been at its best against the Chargers, talented or not. I'm not going to say we will win this weekend, but I wouldn't be surprised if we played inspired ball and stole one from you guys.

Not only did we play a tougher schedule but we also played 4 teams on the East Coast AFTER they had a bye week. The Chargers schedule last year was brutal.

AJ Smith has most of the key players locked up for years to come and is working on a few others now.

Too bad for Denver and the rest of the AFC West. They will only get better and have a young team.

One thing we can say for our team that we couldnt before:

AJ Smith has been the GM ...this being his 4th year and HE is the one that is doing the building of the team. Those past teams ......no comparison as far as the GM's are concerned. As far as im concerned...there is no history to go by of years past because the head guy is completely different from those of the past and he believes in building through the draft and rewarding his own guys....not spending huge in FA'cy, but wisely.

[Dr.5280]

One thing I like about playing in Sandy Eggo: When we score about half the stadium cheers. Secoundly, we won a Superbowl in your house.Hilarious!

[theAPAOps5]

I also like how after one year they are talking like they are going to kick our can twice a year. You may sweep this year but don't get all caught up and start talking like a sweep will be a regular occurance. Your schedule next year will bring you down to earth.

[BlaK-Argentina]

I also like how after one year they are talking like they are going to kick our can twice a year. You may sweep this year but don't get all caught up and start talking like a sweep will be a regular occurance. Your schedule next year will bring you down to earth.

Exactly, and they seem to think that Denver is going DOWN as a team when we are only going to get better. We have a young team with a promising rookie QB who'll be playing WAY better next year. With a good d-linemen and a feature back we'll kick their asses again like we usually do. :yayaya: (not ME, the players... ;D)

The AFC West will be VERY exciting in the future, that's for sure.

[Dr.5280]

Yeah, if they get by us this Sunday and we are out of the playoffs I can only hope Marty and the Chuggas have the moxie to bring back the LOMBARDIE to the AFC West. Those woosies are the only team in this division that are winless in the BIG DANCE.

Get some hair on your collective balls before ya start the talk.

Go Broncos

[broncocalijohn]

Cant wait to be in the parking lot tomorrow with soooo many newbies showing off thier brand new (just bought) jersey of Rivers or LT. The mouthy ones will be the bandwagon leader. I hope this rivalry heats up as the one with the Faiders has lost its bite. THread starter is just happy this wasnt foodjacked.

[Dedhed]

I suppose so. But on that note, of course Bronco and other AFC rival fans won't think his excuse is a believable one. Hell, everyone was already slamming him when the story was first leaked but a lot of the information wasn't until days or weeks later.

Either way, he was foolish not to have the league look at the supplements he took beforehand. A lot of the media types and analysts are taking a bit of a different approach towards the Hollis Thomas incident, with a more sympathetic angle but IMO some are making a good point about Thomas not having his medication not looked at by the league as well. I don't care for how the rules are currently set up but as far as the NFL is concerned, they don't care how and why the illegal substances got into your body. If they test and find it, you're pretty much out of luck.




The question is: when did he ever play aided by steroids? The important thing to remember is that he tested positive in training camp. He's tested clean so far in every subsequent test as well as every test during last season.

Testing positive during the offseason and during the season is a substantial difference IMO. You just can't do it during the offseason for a little while, stop and reap the benefits until next offseason.

Like I said, all these retreads proclaim ignorance after they test positive, and they're all just regurgitating what agents and lawyers tell them to. It doesn't change the FACT that Merriman tested positive.

And, BTW tool, any time Merriman takes the field after having used streoids his performance will be steroid aided. You clearly are completely ignorant of how steroids work if you think that they aid your performance only while they're in your system. It is absolutely laughable.

[Dedhed]

Not only did we play a tougher schedule but we also played 4 teams on the East Coast AFTER they had a bye week. The Chargers schedule last year was brutal.

How many wins did you guys have against the Broncos again?

[RMANCIL]

Like I said, all these retreads proclaim ignorance after they test positive, and they're all just regurgitating what agents and lawyers tell them to. It doesn't change the FACT that Merriman tested positive.

And, BTW tool, any time Merriman takes the field after having used streoids his performance will be steroid aided. You clearly are completely ignorant of how steroids work if you think that they aid your performance only while they're in your system. It is absolutely laughable.

What is a joke is your post on a subject that you clearly have little to zero knowledge about . You may want to stick with shoveling out the stables there in Denver.

[RMANCIL]

How many wins did you guys have against the Broncos again?

1-0 this year and going for the sweep tomorrow! Last I looked those are the games that count this year.
Please spare me the trips down memory lane and deal with the current reality.

[Dedhed]

What is a joke is your post on a subject that you clearly have little to zero knowledge about . You may want to stick with shoveling out the stables there in Denver.

Would you lke to point out any flaws, or is name calling the apex of your intelligence?

[RMANCIL]

Cant wait to be in the parking lot tomorrow with soooo many newbies showing off thier brand new (just bought) jersey of Rivers or LT. The mouthy ones will be the bandwagon leader. I hope this rivalry heats up as the one with the Faiders has lost its bite. THread starter is just happy this wasnt foodjacked.


Be sure and bring a padlock for your Huffy , we don't want it stolen. LOL

[theAPAOps5]

What is a joke is your post on a subject that you clearly have little to zero knowledge about . You may want to stick with shoveling out the stables there in Denver.

Well if knowledge is based on posting article after article after article from OTHER people then yeah he isn't very knowledgable. Thankfully he formulates his own opinion rather than just posting someone else's information. When you can accomplish coming up with your own ideas then come back and call someone out. Until then you are the joke.

[theAPAOps5]

Be sure and bring a padlock for your Huffy , we don't want it stolen. LOL

Someone sounds jealous that they are going to be at the game. Don't worry maybe one day you can scrimp and save and see your team, whomever bandwagon you jump on, in person. Carolina Panthers are pretty close maybe you can find a ride there.

[Dedhed]

1-0 this year and going for the sweep tomorrow! Last I looked those are the games that count this year.
Please spare me the trips down memory lane and deal with the current reality.
I was merely responding to the excuses your boy made for why yet another Marty team didn't reach it's potential. I have no fear of the present, and would much rather the current Broncos situation over the Chargers. I know the difference between a good team and a great organization and know that any success the Chargers have will be fleeting at best. You'll underachieve this year, yet again, and in LTs final really productive year it will be a true shame. Marty will have wasted one of the great careers in the NFL.

[theAPAOps5]

I was merely responding to the excuses your boy made for why yet another Marty team didn't reach it's potential. I have no fear of the present, and would much rather the current Broncos situation over the Chargers. I know the difference between a good team and a great organization and know that any success the Chargers have will be fleeting at best. You'll underachieve this year, yet again, and in LTs final really productive year it will be a true shame. Marty will have wasted one of the great careers in the NFL.

50-50 chance RMANCIL posts some article......

[Dedhed]

Wow....first i sense a lot of jealousy in this thread and rightly so. Id be jealous too of a great player on an opposing division rivals team that will be around for many years to kisk their cans twice a year.

However....posts like this are just plain funny and sad at the same time.
You clearly dont know a thing about Merriman or read any articles on him.

He is a good guy. He does a lot for the community already and he works hard.
The roid thing may or may not be legit. He says he takes the same supplement very time and has never tested possitive before and he was considering going after the maker of that supplement.

Im sure you would also want to call the DT of the Saints...Hollis Thomas a cheater too because he tested possitive from a banned substance in his asthma medication.

Those not in the know just lash out especially when they are jealous to begin with when it is a great player on a rivals team. Thats cool but dont be a fool with statements like that above. You dont know squat about the guy.

Just go ahead and hate but remember........he tested possitive back in August. Thats when it was first found and it took a while to come out and he has been doing great well after the fact and since it came out.....in the two games when it was revealed, he has 5 sacks.

I doubt he was "cheating" during those two games. Dont you think?

Do people in SD know what steroids are, and how they work; why poeple take them etc? It doesn't seem that way from what I've read.

[Dedhed]

50-50 chance RMANCIL posts some article......
Rmancil uses articles like a drunk uses a lamp post; more for support than illumination.

[theAPAOps5]

Exactly! I must have struck a nerve. He hates me, we have gone rounds and he was in here and didn't respond! The guy posts usless stuff. I am surprised he hasn't called you a ball watcher yet.

[RMANCIL]

I support my takes with facts while it seems that clearly gets under your skin I won't stop. Merriman is a great young player and isn't a roid freak that several of you myopic ball watching Donkey lovers would portray him to be.

Ball watchers is a highly accurate descriptive term that encompasses most of the fans on this board .

[boltaneer]

Like I said, all these retreads proclaim ignorance after they test positive, and they're all just regurgitating what agents and lawyers tell them to. It doesn't change the FACT that Merriman tested positive.

And, BTW tool, any time Merriman takes the field after having used streoids his performance will be steroid aided. You clearly are completely ignorant of how steroids work if you think that they aid your performance only while they're in your system. It is absolutely laughable.

I'm not claiming to be an expert on the subject but that's not my understanding of how steroids work. I'm not sure how differently Nandrolone works from other steroids but for anabolic steroids in general, you will lose the benefits quickly if you stop taking them. Also, FWIW that second site stats that Nandrolone has a very short half-life.

http://sportsci.org/encyc/anabster/anabster.html

Many athletes have said that anabolic steroids help them train harder and recover faster. They also said that they had difficulty making progress (or even holding onto the gains) when they were off the drugs. Anabolic steroids may have an anti-catabolic effect. This means that the drugs may prevent muscle catabolism that often accompanies intense exercise training. Presently, this hypothesis has not been fully proven.

Anabolic steroids may block the effects of hormones such as cortisol involved in tissue breakdown during and after exercise. Anabolic steroids may prevent tissue from breaking down following of an intense work-out. This would speed recovery. Cortisol and related hormones, secreted by the adrenal cortex, also has receptor sites within skeletal muscle cells. Cortisol causes protein breakdown and is secreted during exercise to enhance the use of proteins for fuel and to suppress inflammation that accompanies tissue injury.

Anabolic steroids may block the binding of cortisol to its receptor sites, which would prevent muscle breakdown and enhances recovery. While this is beneficial while the athlete is taking the drug, the effect backfires when he stops taking it. Hormonal adaptations occur in response to the abnormal amount of male hormone present in the athlete's body. Cortisol receptor sites and cortisol secretion from the adrenal cortex increase.

Anabolic steroid use decreases testosterone secretion. People who stop taking steroids are also hampered with less male hormone than usual during the "off" periods. The catabolic effects of cortisol are enhanced when the athlete stops taking the drugs and strength and muscle size are lost at a rapid rate.

The rebound effect of cortisol and its receptors presents people who use anabolic steroids with several serious problems: (1) psychological addiction is more probable because they become dependent on the drugs. This is because they tend to lose strength and size rapidly when off steroids. To stave off deconditioning, athletes may want to take the drugs for long periods of time to prevent falling behind. (2) Long-term administration increases the chance of serious side-effects. (3) Cortisol suppresses the immune system. This makes steroid users more prone to diseases, such as cold and flu, during the period immediately following steroid administration.

http://www.steroid.com/offster.php

Avoid an abrupt discontinuance of all steroids at the same time because the body would enter an immediate catabolic phase. The cortisone receptors will be free and in combination with the low testosterone and androgen levels a considerable loss of strength and mass, and an increase of fat and water, and often gynecomastia will occur. Gynecomastia is possible because the suddenly low androgen level shifts the relationship in favor of the estrogens which suddenly become the domineering hormone. Especially eye-catching is also the extreme listlessness to training or sex and a generally weak state of mind of several athletes. If not forced because of medical reasons never discontinue steroids "cold turkey"

[RMANCIL]

I'm not claiming to be an expert on the subject but that's not my understanding of how steroids work. I'm not sure how differently Nandrolone works from other steroids but for anabolic steroids in general, you will lose the benefits quickly if you stop taking them. Also, FWIW that second site stats that Nandrolone has a very short half-life.

http://sportsci.org/encyc/anabster/anabster.html

Many athletes have said that anabolic steroids help them train harder and recover faster. They also said that they had difficulty making progress (or even holding onto the gains) when they were off the drugs. Anabolic steroids may have an anti-catabolic effect. This means that the drugs may prevent muscle catabolism that often accompanies intense exercise training. Presently, this hypothesis has not been fully proven.

Anabolic steroids may block the effects of hormones such as cortisol involved in tissue breakdown during and after exercise. Anabolic steroids may prevent tissue from breaking down following of an intense work-out. This would speed recovery. Cortisol and related hormones, secreted by the adrenal cortex, also has receptor sites within skeletal muscle cells. Cortisol causes protein breakdown and is secreted during exercise to enhance the use of proteins for fuel and to suppress inflammation that accompanies tissue injury.

Anabolic steroids may block the binding of cortisol to its receptor sites, which would prevent muscle breakdown and enhances recovery. While this is beneficial while the athlete is taking the drug, the effect backfires when he stops taking it. Hormonal adaptations occur in response to the abnormal amount of male hormone present in the athlete's body. Cortisol receptor sites and cortisol secretion from the adrenal cortex increase.

Anabolic steroid use decreases testosterone secretion. People who stop taking steroids are also hampered with less male hormone than usual during the "off" periods. The catabolic effects of cortisol are enhanced when the athlete stops taking the drugs and strength and muscle size are lost at a rapid rate.

The rebound effect of cortisol and its receptors presents people who use anabolic steroids with several serious problems: (1) psychological addiction is more probable because they become dependent on the drugs. This is because they tend to lose strength and size rapidly when off steroids. To stave off deconditioning, athletes may want to take the drugs for long periods of time to prevent falling behind. (2) Long-term administration increases the chance of serious side-effects. (3) Cortisol suppresses the immune system. This makes steroid users more prone to diseases, such as cold and flu, during the period immediately following steroid administration.

http://www.steroid.com/offster.php

Avoid an abrupt discontinuance of all steroids at the same time because the body would enter an immediate catabolic phase. The cortisone receptors will be free and in combination with the low testosterone and androgen levels a considerable loss of strength and mass, and an increase of fat and water, and often gynecomastia will occur. Gynecomastia is possible because the suddenly low androgen level shifts the relationship in favor of the estrogens which suddenly become the domineering hormone. Especially eye-catching is also the extreme listlessness to training or sex and a generally weak state of mind of several athletes. If not forced because of medical reasons never discontinue steroids "cold turkey"

Man your going to really piss them off by posting articles to support your argument . All those long words give them a headache.

It has been brought to my attention that almost all the Donkey fans here are in a very sensitive time and that we need to be very careful not to offend them.

So with that in mind here is a list of things to avoid.

1) Try and not post articles particularly ones with long words

2) Don't mention feminine hygiene products ( That issue could offend female donk fans who can't come to grips with the Donk male use of said product)

3) Be careful to not mention any quality food product as most of these fans may be under employed and struggle to eat out often so they will try and impress you with tales of long John Silver and the jumbo shrimp plate they had for dinner. This could go on for hundreds of post.

4) Avoid talking the X's and O's of the game other than how it effect the QB , this forum is QB centric and I think it breaks some rules to post over three paragraphs with out mentioning John Elway .

There are a few more areas to avoid but I will leave you with those , have fun and Go Chargers!

[Dedhed]

I'm not claiming to be an expert on the subject but that's not my understanding of how steroids work. I'm not sure how differently Nandrolone works from other steroids but for anabolic steroids in general, you will lose the benefits quickly if you stop taking them. Also, FWIW that second site stats that Nandrolone has a very short half-life.

http://sportsci.org/encyc/anabster/anabster.html

Many athletes have said that anabolic steroids help them train harder and recover faster. They also said that they had difficulty making progress (or even holding onto the gains) when they were off the drugs. Anabolic steroids may have an anti-catabolic effect. This means that the drugs may prevent muscle catabolism that often accompanies intense exercise training. Presently, this hypothesis has not been fully proven.

Anabolic steroids may block the effects of hormones such as cortisol involved in tissue breakdown during and after exercise. Anabolic steroids may prevent tissue from breaking down following of an intense work-out. This would speed recovery. Cortisol and related hormones, secreted by the adrenal cortex, also has receptor sites within skeletal muscle cells. Cortisol causes protein breakdown and is secreted during exercise to enhance the use of proteins for fuel and to suppress inflammation that accompanies tissue injury.

Anabolic steroids may block the binding of cortisol to its receptor sites, which would prevent muscle breakdown and enhances recovery. While this is beneficial while the athlete is taking the drug, the effect backfires when he stops taking it. Hormonal adaptations occur in response to the abnormal amount of male hormone present in the athlete's body. Cortisol receptor sites and cortisol secretion from the adrenal cortex increase.

Anabolic steroid use decreases testosterone secretion. People who stop taking steroids are also hampered with less male hormone than usual during the "off" periods. The catabolic effects of cortisol are enhanced when the athlete stops taking the drugs and strength and muscle size are lost at a rapid rate.

The rebound effect of cortisol and its receptors presents people who use anabolic steroids with several serious problems: (1) psychological addiction is more probable because they become dependent on the drugs. This is because they tend to lose strength and size rapidly when off steroids. To stave off deconditioning, athletes may want to take the drugs for long periods of time to prevent falling behind. (2) Long-term administration increases the chance of serious side-effects. (3) Cortisol suppresses the immune system. This makes steroid users more prone to diseases, such as cold and flu, during the period immediately following steroid administration.

http://www.steroid.com/offster.php

Avoid an abrupt discontinuance of all steroids at the same time because the body would enter an immediate catabolic phase. The cortisone receptors will be free and in combination with the low testosterone and androgen levels a considerable loss of strength and mass, and an increase of fat and water, and often gynecomastia will occur. Gynecomastia is possible because the suddenly low androgen level shifts the relationship in favor of the estrogens which suddenly become the domineering hormone. Especially eye-catching is also the extreme listlessness to training or sex and a generally weak state of mind of several athletes. If not forced because of medical reasons never discontinue steroids "cold turkey"

In bold is why most users are repeat offenders, and why Merriman is likely to test positive again. BTW, it's a bad idea to post information that is entirely over your head. None of the information above pertains to Merriman.

I'm pretty sure you don't even know what "half-life" means. It's clear you're just shooting in the dark here.

[Dedhed]

I support my takes with facts while it seems that clearly gets under your skin I won't stop. Merriman is a great young player and isn't a roid freak that several of you myopic ball watching Donkey lovers would portray him to be.

Ball watchers is a highly accurate descriptive term that encompasses most of the fans on this board .

The pertinent fact at hand is that Merriman is a steroid user. You can try to muddy the waters by posting little factoids and snippets that apply in only the broadest sense, but it doesn't change the fact that Maerriman had naldrolone in his system. And, despite your desperate wishes that Merriman is the victim of some evil scientist at a supplement lab who forgot to wash out the Naldrolone pot before mixing up whatever it was Merriman claims to have been taking, I'll defer to Murphy's law on this one.

[RMANCIL]

The pertinent fact at hand is that Merriman is a steroid user. You can try to muddy the waters by posting little factoids and snippets that apply in only the broadest sense, but it doesn't change the fact that Maerriman had naldrolone in his system. And, despite your desperate wishes that Merriman is the victim of some evil scientist at a supplement lab who forgot to wash out the Naldrolone pot before mixing up whatever it was Merriman claims to have been taking, I'll defer to Murphy's law on this one.

The only pertinent fact on the table is that before the season Merriman tested positive for trace amounts of Nandrolone.

He has not tested positive since.

Those are the facts spin doctor. Now is that clear enough for you?

[theAPAOps5]

Its one thing to post an article and bold something to support your argument. Its another to start threads with only an article pasted on and nothing with your own argument.

[Dedhed]

The only pertinent fact on the table is that before the season Merriman tested positive for trace amounts of Nandrolone.

He has not tested positive since.

Those are the facts spin doctor. Now is that clear enough for you?

So he did test positive?

[Bronx33]

So he did test positive?


Quit clouding boltboys judgement with facts.

[RMANCIL]

The fact is Merriman will be in Denvers backfield all day today and the Donks will bite the big one.

;D

[isis]

shut up you fu.cking retard

[RMANCIL]

Funny thing how Merriman still has some game left even with out all the roids you folks claim he is taking. Whats up with that?

How bout Superman LT wonder what his secret sauce is?

Bottom line they maybe the two best players in the game today and the fact that they are on the same team just multiplies each talent.

[OrangeShadow]

champ a better corner than merriman is a LB.

LT well thats a given

[fontaine]

Funny thing how Merriman still has some game left even with out all the roids you folks claim he is taking. Whats up with that?

How bout Superman LT wonder what his secret sauce is?

Bottom line they maybe the two best players in the game today and the fact that they are on the same team just multiplies each talent.

I dunno about Merriman. Porter and other OLBs in the 3-4 defense are designed to look good. He's a terrific player no doubt.

LT though, no doubt. He's the best RB in the league and has been for some time. If the Chargers go on to win the SuperBowl I will be happy for LT because I remember reading how badly all those loosing seasons affected him early on in his career when he was the only one carrying that team and he seems like a very humble down to earth guy.

[loborugger]

How bout Superman LT wonder what his secret sauce is?


I dont think anyone here suspects LT of using special sauce. The man is just extraordinarily gifted - and on all accounts a decent human being, too.

I dont think anyone here suspected Merriman of being a doper til he was popped. This, "it was tainted suppliments", "it was my asthma meds", "it was flaxseed oil", or "I am not here to talk about the past" lines are getting tired, and quickly.

Why dont they just fess up? Most of us would be a TON more forgiving if they said, "Look, I am a pro athlete. I train hard in a very competetive environment. There are many other well gifted individuals out here that are about as good as myself, also. Therefore, I felt I needed an edge. I screwed up, and I wont do it again."

[Dedhed]

Funny thing how Merriman still has some game left even with out all the roids you folks claim he is taking. Whats up with that?

How bout Superman LT wonder what his secret sauce is?

Bottom line they maybe the two best players in the game today and the fact that they are on the same team just multiplies each talent.

LTs the best in the game. Merriman is a doper.

[fontaine]

LTs the best in the game. Merriman is a doper.

Don't forget Castillo.

Looks like both of the Charger's first roid picks got sacks.

[BigBad]

Sore losers. That is all you guys are.

We are the better team, deal with it.

BTW Bailey wasa owned by Gates on the few times he tried to either help on him or cover him.

[broncocalijohn]

let us now see if Bolts fans can leave the site now that play is done. I say NO. It is over, Bolts swept and Denver is hoping for a playoff berth. Very few bolt posters come in all the time. We know the ones who just popped up the last 4 weeks since the Chargers are doing well. If they want to be labeled TROLLS, then go for it. Where is the Ignore button? I think ill put it to use starting Tuesday.

[RMANCIL]

let us now see if Bolts fans can leave the site now that play is done. I say NO. It is over, Bolts swept and Denver is hoping for a playoff berth. Very few bolt posters come in all the time. We know the ones who just popped up the last 4 weeks since the Chargers are doing well. If they want to be labeled TROLLS, then go for it. Where is the Ignore button? I think ill put it to use starting Tuesday.

Get a clue why would I stay here ?

Sure I came here to talk football specifically Bolts vs Donks but most of you simply hurled insults and spammed different threads with Burrito chunks.
I am sure most of you could have represented better but you were just to whipped having the Donks cave of late.

Guess what your team lost to a better team at least Nalen did not pull any cheap shot BS on the way out this time. Win or lose it is nice to see a team and its fans represent with class.

Cutler has some potential and given time may develop into a good QB but making the switch at this place and time kind of kissed off the season. The young TE Tony Scheffler also made a couple of nice plays and he will step up his game.

Marshall should be playing a lot more in place of Smith as he clearly is the future. That's my take and I will leave it on a football note rather than the personal insult hate bs that has not been my pleasure to be involved in.

[Dedhed]

Get a clue why would I stay here ?

[/COLOR]

FYI, You're still here.

[Boltjolt]

LTs the best in the game. Merriman is a doper.

Hmm.....since serving a suspension, in two games he has 4 sacks, 4 forced fumbles and a fumble recovery. Add the game before he was suspended...he has 7 sacks.

Yep, those roids that he cant take are really slowing him down :~ohyah!:

[Dedhed]

Hmm.....since serving a suspension, in two games he has 4 sacks, 4 forced fumbles and a fumble recovery. Add the game before he was suspended...he has 7 sacks.

Yep, those roids that he cant take are really slowing him down :~ohyah!:

?? That changes the fact that he's a doper?

[Boltjolt]

?? That changes the fact that he's a doper?

Pretty much says you dont know what your talking about.
He isnt a doper but whatever makes you feel better.

[MrPeepers]

so, i dont get it...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2635475

Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7188) has been notified he will be suspended for four games for violating the NFL's steroids and related substances policy, league and team sources told ESPN's Chris Mortensen.
Merriman's positive test was "definitely for steroids … not one of those supplement deals," said a source with knowledge of Merriman's suspension earlier Monday. Both the initial A sample and backup B sample came back positive, Mortensen reported.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_%28sport%29

In sports (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport), doping refers to the use of performance-enhancing drugs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoactive_drug) such as anabolic steroids (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid), particularly those that are forbidden by the organizations that regulate competitions.



Hmm.....


Looks like a DOPER to me.....

[theAPAOps5]

He's not a doper because he said that his supplements were tainted. How this happens I am not sure as I don't think he is the only person in the NFL or any professional league using those supplements. He got the ONLY tainted batch so that makes him a victim. He used an excuse and he screwed up. He is a Human being and we all make mistakes. I think he deserves a second chance but if he does test positive again I say boot him for good. I also think Barry Bonds, Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, Romonowski, and countless others should have all their records, stats, and awards stripped of them.

[zdoor]

I'm not claiming to be an expert on the subject but that's not my understanding of how steroids work. I'm not sure how differently Nandrolone works from other steroids but for anabolic steroids in general, you will lose the benefits quickly if you stop taking them. Also, FWIW that second site stats that Nandrolone has a very short half-life.

http://sportsci.org/encyc/anabster/anabster.html

Many athletes have said that anabolic steroids help them train harder and recover faster. They also said that they had difficulty making progress (or even holding onto the gains) when they were off the drugs. Anabolic steroids may have an anti-catabolic effect. This means that the drugs may prevent muscle catabolism that often accompanies intense exercise training. Presently, this hypothesis has not been fully proven.

Anabolic steroids may block the effects of hormones such as cortisol involved in tissue breakdown during and after exercise. Anabolic steroids may prevent tissue from breaking down following of an intense work-out. This would speed recovery. Cortisol and related hormones, secreted by the adrenal cortex, also has receptor sites within skeletal muscle cells. Cortisol causes protein breakdown and is secreted during exercise to enhance the use of proteins for fuel and to suppress inflammation that accompanies tissue injury.

Anabolic steroids may block the binding of cortisol to its receptor sites, which would prevent muscle breakdown and enhances recovery. While this is beneficial while the athlete is taking the drug, the effect backfires when he stops taking it. Hormonal adaptations occur in response to the abnormal amount of male hormone present in the athlete's body. Cortisol receptor sites and cortisol secretion from the adrenal cortex increase.

Anabolic steroid use decreases testosterone secretion. People who stop taking steroids are also hampered with less male hormone than usual during the "off" periods. The catabolic effects of cortisol are enhanced when the athlete stops taking the drugs and strength and muscle size are lost at a rapid rate.

The rebound effect of cortisol and its receptors presents people who use anabolic steroids with several serious problems: (1) psychological addiction is more probable because they become dependent on the drugs. This is because they tend to lose strength and size rapidly when off steroids. To stave off deconditioning, athletes may want to take the drugs for long periods of time to prevent falling behind. (2) Long-term administration increases the chance of serious side-effects. (3) Cortisol suppresses the immune system. This makes steroid users more prone to diseases, such as cold and flu, during the period immediately following steroid administration.

http://www.steroid.com/offster.php

Avoid an abrupt discontinuance of all steroids at the same time because the body would enter an immediate catabolic phase. The cortisone receptors will be free and in combination with the low testosterone and androgen levels a considerable loss of strength and mass, and an increase of fat and water, and often gynecomastia will occur. Gynecomastia is possible because the suddenly low androgen level shifts the relationship in favor of the estrogens which suddenly become the domineering hormone. Especially eye-catching is also the extreme listlessness to training or sex and a generally weak state of mind of several athletes. If not forced because of medical reasons never discontinue steroids "cold turkey"

The halflife of Nandralolne would vary depending on the type used. For example: Nandralne Undecanote (also called Deca durabolin) has a long half life, Nandralone Phenylpropionate has a very short half life and is fast acting. As far as Testosterone suppression, there are many ways to kickstart natural test production including HGH, Nolvadex, Clomid and HCG.

Regardless, every argument has a counter point. You have chosen the point of view you want to accept. I think it is highly unlikely your guy tested positive through an accident. I have already posted why.

[boltaneer]

The halflife of Nandralolne would vary depending on the type used. For example: Nandralne Undecanote (also called Deca durabolin) has a long half life, Nandralone Phenylpropionate has a very short half life and is fast acting. As far as Testosterone suppression, there are many ways to kickstart natural test production including HGH, Nolvadex, Clomid and HCG.

Regardless, every argument has a counter point. You have chosen the point of view you want to accept. I think it is highly unlikely your guy tested positive through an accident. I have already posted why.

Yeah, I'm done with this argument. It's getting real old.

He screwed up, either intentionally or unintentionally but in the long run it won't matter as long as he stays clean, which he has this year. He served his time and is now back to playing to the level he was before and after his failed test.

If someone like Leonard Little can still play football and get respect, Merriman should have no problem.

Anyway, back to bandwagon Charger talk. That stuff puts a smile on my face. :flower:

[TailgateNut]

Yeah, I'm done with this argument. It's getting real old.

He screwed up, either intentionally or unintentionally but in the long run it won't matter as long as he stays clean, which he has this year. He served his time and is now back to playing to the level he was before and after his failed test.

If someone like Leonard Little can still play football and get respect, Merriman should have no problem.

Anyway, back to bandwagon Charger talk. That stuff puts a smile on my face. :flower:

That's what "bandwagon fans do"! Come out of the closet just when their team excells. That's why I'm proud to be a Bronco Fan. We support our team, win or lose! You guys just crwal out from under your rock once every decade, and then thankfully disappear again! You are worse than Raiderfan!

[boltaneer]

That's what "bandwagon fans do"! Come out of the closet just when their team excells. That's why I'm proud to be a Bronco Fan. We support our team, win or lose! You guys just crwal out from under your rock once every decade, and then thankfully disappear again! You are worse than Raiderfan!

Dude, keep it coming! I LOVE IT! :strong:

[TailgateNut]

Dude, keep it coming! I LOVE IT! :strong:



Who the **** is "dude".....and WTF is a Boltaneer??? ...do you work on a assembly line in a fasterner factory?

[richpjr]

I think he deserves a second chance but if he does test positive again I say boot him for good.

What is the policy for a additional positive tests? Isn't it an 8 game suspension for the 2nd test and then a one year suspension for a 3rd test? I can't remember for sure.

[theAPAOps5]

What is the policy for a additional positive tests? Isn't it an 8 game suspension for the 2nd test and then a one year suspension for a 3rd test? I can't remember for sure.

Yeah I am not sure and haven't found a solid answer. I no it only takes a positive to get a 4 game unlike the other drug tests. I will have to research it.