Waking up a sleeping giant?

[watermock]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=3686&dateline=1158092062

Good or bad...all hell is going to break loose one way or the other. !Booya!

You can practically smell Mt.St. Helens in the distance.

[DomCasual]

:saywhat:

[long beach bronco]

I'm telling you guys, you are going to see a different Bronco team the rest of the way. No one is going to want to play us come playoff time.

[Kaylore]

Shanahan and Cutler both said that they had one of the best practices this season today. Sounds like this was overdue.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=609

[JDB7821]

It's all about the "spark" that Cutler provides. He might not light it up this year, but I think he'll be more consistent than Young and Leinart.

[ludo21]

Shanahan and Cutler both said that they had one of the best practices this season today. Sounds like this was overdue.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=609

ty for that. :thumbs:

[Dean]

Cutler said that there was a team meeting before practice and what changes needed to occur was discussed. My guess is that it was pretty fresh in the players minds that there would be no more bussiness as usual tolerated. My impression is that it was more than just a new QB.

[ludo21]

Jay is so low key in his interview.

I love it! Kid has won me over for sure. Not some punk pretty boy at all.

[Elway 4 Life]

Jay is so low key in his interview.

I love it! Kid has won me over for sure. Not some punk pretty boy at all.

Such a quiet confidence. You can tell he's just ready to blow up. There is no arrogance about him. This kid is gonna special.

[theAPAOps5]

I liked his presser he was humble and confident in the same way. This week won't pass long enough.

[Paladin]

Sort of a realistic Brady type. No arrogance, but some quiet confidence....

I really hope he does well Sunday. Just get off on the right foot. Win or lose, if he plays pretty well, that changes the dynamics of the team and the games to come.

[Maximus]

I think shanahan has lost his freaking mind. The rook is going to see so many different looks... I don't see how this is going to help at this point. I think Cutler is good, but he's a rookie.

[watermock]

He was obviously rattled under questioning...

NOT. Jay looks extremely confident he can manage the offense.

Shanahan didn't look like he was sweating bullets either...more like an albatros was off his head.

You just don't know, but let's give the kid time. He didn't blink from what I could see.

Silly hat it was hard to see his eye, but he didn't seem intimindated at the least.

[watermock]

Enjoy Aaron frooks, Tui and Walter Max.

Yep...Shanahan and Cutler looked scared all right.

[Maximus]

Enjoy Aaron frooks, Tui and Walter Max.

Yep...Shanahan and Cutler looked scared all right.

I'm certainly aware of the problems on my team, however this is about the donks! They don't have to look scared or be scared... cutler has a hell of an arm and good abilities but that doesn't equate to knowledge in the NFL.

Hell if you take a pilot with good hand eye coordination and send him to war... He's nothing but a pilot with good stick and rudder... He aint nothing til he learns how to read the radars and displays!!!

[watermock]

Well since all three of those QB's have had that opportunity and failed, you can STFU.

[Maximus]

Well since all three of those QB's have had that opportunity and failed, you can STFU.

IMHO... ratboy is packing in the season by making this move... put in the rookie during crunch time. As tight as the race is for the playoffs 1 loss can blow it for the donks!

[Spider]

I think shanahan has lost his freaking mind. The rook is going to see so many different looks... I don't see how this is going to help at this point. I think Cutler is good, but he's a rookie.

Not at all , I agree Cutler is going to see some stuff , that he never dreamed of ...But it is all about how he reacts , Shanny Been around a few HOF qb's in his days , if Shanny thinks Cutler is ready , then we realy cant question him ...............

[Spider]

IMHO... ratboy is packing in the season by making this move... put in the rookie during crunch time. As tight as the race is for the playoffs 1 loss can blow it for the donks!

your opinion ? you are a Raider fan , thats doesnt carry much weight ...............you cant even be trusted to pick a good team to cheer ;D

[Northman]

Seeing how some of these young Qb's and Rookies have performed with subpar teams this year i like Jay's chances. Jay is surrounded by a better team than most of them so even though he will struggle at times he will also make a lot of plays that Jake failed to do.

[Steve Sewell]

I'm certainly aware of the problems on my team, however this is about the donks! They don't have to look scared or be scared... cutler has a hell of an arm and good abilities but that doesn't equate to knowledge in the NFL.

Hell if you take a pilot with good hand eye coordination and send him to war... He's nothing but a pilot with good stick and rudder... He aint nothing til he learns how to read the radars and displays!!!

A sphincter says what?

[ZONA]

What is it that you guys don't get? Sure Jay will see some defenses that confuse him but they obviously confused Plummer as well. Mike isn't saying Jay will look like Petyon this year, he's just saying that he can do no worse then Plummer has to this point. He's the future so might as well get on with it. Jay's arm will at least serve the team better on some of the deep go routes and deep posts. Not to mention he has a much more accurate arm. I believe Shanny can keep a simple offense and Cutler's arm should be an advantage over what we've had.

[Hogan11]

Jay is so low key in his interview.

I love it! Kid has won me over for sure. Not some punk pretty boy at all.

It's not surprising since he plays QB and not WR.

[DenverBrit]

I'm certainly aware of the problems on my team, however this is about the donks! They don't have to look scared or be scared... cutler has a hell of an arm and good abilities but that doesn't equate to knowledge in the NFL.

Hell if you take a pilot with good hand eye coordination and send him to war... He's nothing but a pilot with good stick and rudder... He aint nothing til he learns how to read the radars and displays!!!

Cutler is the QB that AL Davis stays awake thinking about.
Mobile, accurate, BIG arm, intelligent and gutsy.
The fact that the Raiders passed on him in the draft, says a lot about how screwed up
the Raiders organization has become. It doesn't matter when Cutler starts,
it will be his first NFL game and he will have a learning curve.
Starting him next week is all about how Plummer has played, and I'm betting
that Shanahan knows a lot more about QBs than you will ever know.
So if you have a point, other than being obvious, go ahead and make it.

BTW, your pilot analogy makes even less sense. 'Radar and displays' can be
taught on the ground, and when a pilot is accumulating flying time, long before going into harm's way.
There is no substitute for experience.

[Sassy]

I just love how everyone "assumes" that Jay is going to be a star in the NFL. I'll hold my judgement until I see him play...What I also got from Shanahan's interview "Jay will be the starter against Seattle"...hmmm...gee, what happens if Jay totally sucks it up...Shanahan didn't say he would start the rest of the year now did he.

[SureShot]

I just love how everyone "assumes" that Jay is going to be a star in the NFL. I'll hold my judgement until I see him play...What I also got from Shanahan's interview "Jay will be the starter against Seattle"...hmmm...gee, what happens if Jay totally sucks it up...Shanahan didn't say he would start the rest of the year now did he.

Keep the hope ALIVE!!

[broncogary]

...gee, what happens if Jay totally sucks it up...

Then he'll be Jake Plummer.

[Sassy]

I'm not saying I don't want Jay to do well...just keeping my expectations realistic.

[KCGridironBeast]

I just love how everyone "assumes" that Jay is going to be a star in the NFL. I'll hold my judgement until I see him play...

Thank you. I was waiting for someone to say it...I've never seen so many people ready to crown this kid the savior after one media session.

[Sassy]

Thank you. I was waiting for someone to say it...I've never seen so many people ready to crown this kid the savior after one media session.

They "the Cutler crew" has been saying it since the draft. I hope this kid is the next "Elway" but we don't know what he can do yet.

[broncogary]

They "the Cutler crew" has been saying it since the draft. I hope this kid is the next "Elway" but we don't know what he can do yet.

Oh, Sassy. Collaborating with a chefs fan. Ha!

[theAPAOps5]

Jake had his chance and he couldn't execute. Cutler has shown he has some great potential. So why not be excited.

[listopencil]

Oh, Sassy. Collaborating with a chefs fan. Ha!

...sometimes a fan from another team has a more objective view of what is going on. Not always, but sometimes.

[broncogary]

...sometimes a fan from another team has a more objective view of what is going on. Not always, but sometimes.

Only when it's us looking at another team. :~ohyah!:

[ZachKC]

He is a press conference Pro Bowler for sure.

[broncogary]

...sometimes a fan from another team has a more objective view of what is going on. Not always, but sometimes.

I assume you were talking about Bob? LOL

[Sassy]

Jake had his chance and he couldn't execute. Cutler has shown he has some great potential. So why not be excited.

I will...when and if he executes. How can you get excited when the kid has yet to throw an NFL pass...Just saying...I'll wait and see how he plays before I name him the SB MVP.

[broncogary]

I will...when and if he executes. How can you get excited when the kid has yet to throw an NFL pass...Just saying...I'll wait and see how he plays before I name him the SB MVP.

Does'nt stg get a vote on the SB MVP, too? :thumbs:

[Sassy]

Oh, Sassy. Collaborating with a chefs fan. Ha!

I also agree with Max.
Does that make me less of a Bronco fan?

[SureShot]

If he executes? I guess your faith in Shanny has waned. Well if he doesn't I will blame the defense.

[theAPAOps5]

If he executes? I guess your faith in Shanny has waned. Well if he doesn't I will blame the defense.

If he doesn't execute I will blame Plummer :approve:

[broncogary]

I also agree with Max.
Does that make me less of a Bronco fan?

No, Sassy. You are a true fan, as anyone who has been around here any time at all knows.

We are just having some fun while waiting for Cutler to light it up.

[Wes Mantooth]

We are playing a rookie QB who will make rookie mistakes. I will be happy if we beat the Cards and 49ers down the stretch

[Spider]

I just love how everyone "assumes" that Jay is going to be a star in the NFL. I'll hold my judgement until I see him play...What I also got from Shanahan's interview "Jay will be the starter against Seattle"...hmmm...gee, what happens if Jay totally sucks it up...Shanahan didn't say he would start the rest of the year now did he.

I think alot of it is preseason, granted it is vanillia , but the way Cutler was placing the ball cant be argued , his poise , all show us has the real deal ....
and Cutler was doing it from the pocket as well as bootlegs .....

[fdf]

IMHO... ratboy is packing in the season by making this move... put in the rookie during crunch time. As tight as the race is for the playoffs 1 loss can blow it for the donks!

Wow. I didn't realize that until you pointed it out. I guess my only reaction is that your comment ignores the alternative. I am completely confident that Plummer would have produced that loss. So net, net, we have a better chance with Cutler than Plummer. If Cutler produces the loss, and he's going to see a lot of blitzing so he might, we're no worse off than before the change. And if he throws under pressure from the blitz as well as he did at Vanderbilt (where he usually got his throws off under very heavy pressure), we are better off. Time will tell.

[Drek]

We are playing a rookie QB who will make rookie mistakes. I will be happy if we beat the Cards and 49ers down the stretch

We're 7-4 after 11 games of Jake playing like a rookie. At the very least Cutler has more physical ability than Jake, sure he'll make mistakes but we might actually see big offensive plays for the first time in about six weeks this sunday. We'll win and die by the defense and running game, as we have all season long. I think that'll carry us to at least a 3-2 finish and a very possible playoff birth. Anything more Cutler does for us is gravy, the real benefits will be reaped next season when he has 5 regular season games and a playoff start under his belt.

[watermock]

:You can actually feel the nervous tremors from Chef and Fafer fans.

They are having flashbacks to 83. Newbies don't know what's coming.

[watermock]

I don't have a problem staring Jay against Seattle...trial by fire...

He's not going to get booed...if anyone does they should be bitchslapped.

My lighter is resting peacfully now.

[Zman]

if Shanny thinks Cutler is ready , then we realy cant question him ...............

Isnt he the one who told you Greaseball and Jake were the "second coming" for the last six years?...there's nothing like orange and blue lemmings...come on guys the end of the cliff isnt that high!...

[snowspot66]

I will...when and if he executes. How can you get excited when the kid has yet to throw an NFL pass...Just saying...I'll wait and see how he plays before I name him the SB MVP.

After watching Plummer for so long I think peoples expectations aren't too high actually. There will always be Elway comparisons but there will be even more Plummer comparisons since he is the guy right before Jay. At this point people will be excited about a 200 yard and 1 or 2 TD day from a Bronco QB. At least for the short term Jay has the benefit of being compared to a turd stat wise.

[Atlas]

good thread Mock.

The Seahags will go down and bow to their masters Sunday Like they always do.

[Northman]

Keep the hope ALIVE!!



Nah, she is all Doom and Gloom man.

[OrangeShadow]

god i cant wait for sunday!

[db56]

Truthfully, I've been in Jake's corner all season but this change is at least a half overdue. Everything is predicated on the running game and the lack thereof, and Jake's in ability to accurately throw the deep ball. Jake only has about a 40 yard arm to begin with and anything beyond that he is only about 20% sucessful and that is just not good enough. Defenses arent respecting our deep passing game and are plugging up the middle of the field, their doubling Javon, beating Rod up at the line of scrimmage, and with Sheffler being AWOL we have no threat at all in the middle. Alexander is a decent blocker, but he can easily be covered by a linebacker and there are no mismatches. So if the line can give Cutler enough time to get the ball downfield it will open everything else up.

[Rohirrim]

All I can say is, I hope that come Sunday afternoon, they give Thunder some extra oats. ;D

[Wes Mantooth]

We're 7-4 after 11 games of Jake playing like a rookie. At the very least Cutler has more physical ability than Jake, sure he'll make mistakes but we might actually see big offensive plays for the first time in about six weeks this sunday. We'll win and die by the defense and running game, as we have all season long. I think that'll carry us to at least a 3-2 finish and a very possible playoff birth. Anything more Cutler does for us is gravy, the real benefits will be reaped next season when he has 5 regular season games and a playoff start under his belt.

I agree with you. I just see mental errors and more turnovers to come because he is a rookie.

[55CrushEm]

IMHO... ratboy is packing in the season by making this move... put in the rookie during crunch time. As tight as the race is for the playoffs 1 loss can blow it for the donks!

True....one loss can knock us out of the playoffs.....but most intelligent posters on this board know that if we lose, it WON'T be because of the switch at QB....

[Spider]

True....one loss can knock us out of the playoffs.....but most intelligent posters on this board know that if we lose, it WON'T be because of the switch at QB....

Sure wont Bro ........ what Iwant to know is what did Jake show max this season to make max believe that Jake can lead us to the playoffs ?
I would love to hear that

[Los Broncos]

With Jay starting now, it has to play into the hands of JW here. He needs a QB with a big arm like Jay. Farve has a good arm and he had that season in GB, Jay must get him the ball early and often.

[cmhargrove]

I just love how everyone "assumes" that Jay is going to be a star in the NFL. I'll hold my judgement until I see him play...What I also got from Shanahan's interview "Jay will be the starter against Seattle"...hmmm...gee, what happens if Jay totally sucks it up...Shanahan didn't say he would start the rest of the year now did he.

Actually Shanahan did say that Jay is the starter now, and in the future. Seattle is not a tryout, the job is now his. Listen to the press conference, Shanahan makes this point pretty clear. Also makes the comment that he would like to keep Jake around as the backup next year. It's a done deal, win or lose.

[sonsofkraftybob]

...sometimes a fan from another team has a more objective view of what is going on. Not always, but sometimes.

Jay Cutler; the best QB to never play the game.

Is that what you had in mind?

[Chupacabra]

After watching Plummer for so long I think peoples expectations aren't too high actually. There will always be Elway comparisons but there will be even more Plummer comparisons since he is the guy right before Jay. At this point people will be excited about a 200 yard and 1 or 2 TD day from a Bronco QB. At least for the short term Jay has the benefit of being compared to a turd stat wise.

Minus the last 12 games (and not even all 12 are bad)...... Watching Plummer as a Bronco should set the standard pretty high. He has been a very servicable QB for our team. Good winning %, playoff appearances, and 1 probowl year.
The thing that should lower our expectations is that Cut is a ROOKIE. And if history repeats itself, the remainder of the season will be as painful to watch as the previous.
I am kinda annoyed at the way ppl are annointing Jay. Furthermore, I think its unfair to ridicule Jake, esp. after the way he fit into this team. The guy always wanted to win, and that he did most of the time. This isn't Griese, who looked like he would rather be bbq'ing then playing football. Jake has busted his ass for us and the end results, w-l, are pretty darn good.
Now, I am for the switch. I hope Jay leads us to the playoffs. I'm not the type who thinks, "well a loss is ok if its with the QBOTF, a pick is ok if its with the QBOTF." I think a loss is a loss and a pick is a pick. I hope he helps us win games this year, and thats the bottom line. At 7-4, I cannot fathom giving up on this season. Now, I hope Jay can do the unprecedented and win us another SB.
That is all.

[defenseman]

QB's get pats when things are good, and slaps when they aren't so good. Goes with the territory. Jakes out, Cutler is in. Take the emotion out of it, it makes perfect sense. The perverbial rudder needed to be shifted for everyone's sake....dman

[defenseman]

Minus the last 12 games (and not even all 12 are bad)...... Watching Plummer as a Bronco should set the standard pretty high. He has been a very servicable QB for our team. Good winning %, playoff appearances, and 1 probowl year.
The thing that should lower our expectations is that Cut is a ROOKIE. And if history repeats itself, the remainder of the season will be as painful to watch as the previous.
I am kinda annoyed at the way ppl are annointing Jay. Furthermore, I think its unfair to ridicule Jake, esp. after the way he fit into this team. The guy always wanted to win, and that he did most of the time. This isn't Griese, who looked like he would rather be bbq'ing then playing football. Jake has busted his ass for us and the end results, w-l, are pretty darn good.
Now, I am for the switch. I hope Jay leads us to the playoffs. I'm not the type who thinks, "well a loss is ok if its with the QBOTF, a pick is ok if its with the QBOTF." I think a loss is a loss and a pick is a pick. I hope he helps us win games this year, and thats the bottom line. At 7-4, I cannot fathom giving up on this season. Now, I hope Jay can do the unprecedented and win us another SB.
That is all.


Chupacabra? Sci-Fi "B" movie. Very average...dman

[Northman]

Chupacabra? Sci-Fi "B" movie. Very average...dman



I could never understand his avatar either. There are so many better B movies out there. Hilarious!

[Chupacabra]

not named after a B movie..... wiki it

[listopencil]

Jay Cutler; the best QB to never play the game.

Is that what you had in mind?

Uh...no. Not at all.

[NYBronco]

I am least concerned about starting the rookie Jay at QB and more concerned about the ability of our defense to stop Shaun Alexander.

We had obvious problems with Tomlinson and Johnson. I do believe much of our defensive problems are related to the lack of production from our offense. I'm hoping Jay can sustain some decent drives and get an early lead to put the defensive burden on the seahawks. The seahawks provide an opportunity for our passing game success due to their middle of the pack rated pass defense.

The QB change just feels good and right at this point. Go Cutler, I wish the rookie the best.

[Cito Pelon]

I think the kid will be successful. Naturally, it takes a good overall team for the team to be successful. We'll see how it plays out.

[Jetmeck]

They "the Cutler crew" has been saying it since the draft. I hope this kid is the next "Elway" but we don't know what he can do yet.

It won't be hard for Cutler to look good. Look at what
we had to compare him to. The only way is up compared to
BONEHEAD. Need I remind you about three INTS in the last game. 1 time he was saved by a penalty. What did he have 10-12 ints to 6-7 TD. Pathetic. Seriously your attitude in your posts seems to be you think we'll be worse off ? Got to be kidding me.

[Jetmeck]

I will...when and if he executes. How can you get excited when the kid has yet to throw an NFL pass...Just saying...I'll wait and see how he plays before I name him the SB MVP.

No one here actually thinks he is SB MVP. Be real, if Plummer would have executed this wouldn't be happening. Plummer blew it big time. There is no where to go but up.

[ZONA]

Oh Jay is gonna take his lumps for sure. There's never been a QB in league history that didn't make more then a few mistakes. What us "Cutler Fans" are saying is that how can he be worse then Plummer has been so far this season. He can't really. You'll see some mistakes from the kid but you're also going to see some balls completed that Plummer could simply not make.

[Jetmeck]

I agree with you. I just see mental errors and more turnovers to come because he is a rookie.


Take out the one word "rookie" and you have Plummer !

[RunSilentRunDeep]

I fine with the switch (how can you not be hopeful about a guy that performed well for four years in the SEC?) but what is everyone going to say if the Broncos win 13-3 and Cutler has mediocre numbers because the receivers suck just as bad for him as they did for Plummer? Discontent may rise in the lockerroom if they go into the playoffs with a rookie who can't do much better with a bad supporting cast.

[Rigs11]

not named after a B movie..... wiki it

http://services.windowsmedia.com/dvdcover/cov150/drt500/t563/t56379cdzz9.jpg

[2KBack]

It won't be hard for Cutler to look good. Look at what
we had to compare him to. The only way is up compared to
BONEHEAD. Need I remind you about three INTS in the last game. 1 time he was saved by a penalty. What did he have 10-12 ints to 6-7 TD. Pathetic. Seriously your attitude in your posts seems to be you think we'll be worse off ? Got to be kidding me.


Whoa, Plummers out, you are welcome to be happy about it. He certainly hasn't played up to potential, but you are creating stats out of thin air.
Plummer ended with 11TDs and 12 ints, bad enough for a switch, but certainly not legendary. Actually, were lucky to have Plummer to use as an excuse to but in the rook, many other teams have QB's that have stunk up the season but are kinda stuck. Vick comes to mind, and then there is Big Ben who has set a new standard for futility this year.

Be happy about the new guy, but damn, let's stop the unneccesary hate.

[BroncoFanDoug]

There are a couple reasons for us to be very excited about entering the Cutler era. About 1/3 of the pundits considered him the best QB in a very rich QB class. He looked great in the preseason. We have not had a franchise QB since, well John.

There is a good chance that his rookie mistakes will keep us out of the playoffs. I don't really care. We were at risk of not making the playoffs anyway, and there was no chance of winning the SB (imho). If he is extraordinary, we could win the SB. If he isn't, it will be more fun to watch the games and he will get important experience for next year.

It's all good from my view!

[Paladin]

How about this?

13 years from now, a thirty-six year old Cutler is playing for the sixth time in the Super Bowl with the Denver Broncos. They are playing the Washington Redskins. Cutler announced it would be his last game; he would retire after this game.

In the last minute of the fourth quarter, Denver has the ball on their own 16 yard line. Cutler in a shotgun. Ball is snapped, Cutler is looking downfield for Mark Harrigan, a speedster out of Hofstra. But the Redskins are blitzing, surrounding Cutler! With a mighty heave, and the Redskins jumping around him, Cutler throws the ball downfield into the waiting hands of Harrigan. TD!!! Cutler is MVP!!!!

It would go down in football lore as Cutler's Last Stand.

[watermock]

How about this?

How about this?

3 years from now, a twenty-six year old Cutler is playing for the second time in the Super Bowl with the Denver Broncos. They are playing the Washington Redskins. Cutler announced it would be his signatere game; he would hold out for a 200 million dollar contract after this game.