What do you expect? What's reasonable?

[Kaylore]

When Cutler starts, what kind of production do expect from him in his first 16 games? He's talented, but he is a rookie. Personally, I think he'll be pretty average to below average at first.

I also think in many ways things will look better but there will also be a letdown when people realize that the other problems we have on the team will still be there despite him starting.

[AFCWestFan]

If the Run Game is still in the tank, then the kid is ground beef.

[-Slap-]

When Cutler starts, what kind of production do expect from him in his first 16 games? He's talented, but he is a rookie. Personally, I think he'll be pretty average to below average at first.

I also think in many ways things will look better but there will also be a letdown when people realize that the other problems we have on the team will still be there despite him starting.

I expect to win. I figure 4-1 is reasonable and 5-0 is attainable.

[DBroncos4life]

playoffs, otherwise all this crap we put Jake through was just that, crap. Maybe it was the lose of Kubes that did Jake in but its clear before Jay got here Plummer looked much better.

[Rock Chalk]

When Cutler starts, what kind of production do expect from him in his first 16 games? He's talented, but he is a rookie. Personally, I think he'll be pretty average to below average at first.

I also think in many ways things will look better but there will also be a letdown when people realize that the other problems we have on the team will still be there despite him starting.

I expect to win. Pretty simple isnt it?

[Requiem]

If Cutler does indeed start against the Seahawks; I think that we'll probably split our games. Don't we play Arizona and San Fran? I think those are two wins, and I think that 3-2 is reasonable. Cutler needs more talent around him at this point, but I think he'll do a pretty decent job. I'd expect Cutler's first start to take a more conservative approach, maybe even his first couple starts as he starts to understand things more.

I think that Jay could end the season with 1,000 yards; and around an even TD/INT ratio, no higher than 10/10 though. We'll see, but I think he'll do better than the likes of Young, Leinart, etc.

[Kaylore]

Finally got the poll up. I left an answer especially for Alec. ;D

[2KBack]

I expect mostly more of the same, but a couple of really nice long balls per game. Which in many cases may be exactly what we need. If the only thing that is improved this year is the long ball, that is still a useful improvement.

[spdirty]

I voted for the last option because its just too damn funny.

Seriously though, I don't care about record and wins and losses. Just hoping for constent improvement. Hopefully he gets a playoff game for experience this year.

[AFCWestFan]

If he has 2 wins in balance of season It should be considered a success.

[Bronx33]

I think cutler has had enough time (on the sidelines) to hit the ground running, he seems pretty level headed.

[TheDave]

Streaky to average... Anything more would be a major bonus.

[Rock Chalk]

Finally got the poll up. I left an answer especially for Alec. ;D

Harumph, after voting i see that me and you have the same expectations for Cutler.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Streaky to average... Anything more would be a major bonus.

Ditto

[Taco John]

First off... I'm just satisfied that the kid is in there, and that we're no longer wasting the season. Anything after this point to me is bonus.

That being said, I expect the kid will actually do pretty well. I don't think we're going to give him too much of the playbook too soon, running stuff that he's mostly comfortable with.

I expect to make a strong bid for a wildcard birth.

[Rock Chalk]

I expect to win. I figure 4-1 is reasonable and 5-0 is attainable.

Want some action on that Slap?

Friendly bet. With Cutler given 5 games starting, we have a losing record with him in there.

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I only say that because of the next 3 opponents we face btw. I dont think this TEAM is good enough to beat any of them, particularly the defense because all are powerhouse offenses and, well, we all see what powerhouse offenses do to our defense.

[scttgrd]

I'd hope to see 3-2 as others have said, and really don't expect much come playoffs if we make it that far. If we can't get that accomplished then the season is a wash, kinda like Kansas City's season every year.

[Sassy]

playoffs, otherwise all this crap we put Jake through was just that, crap. Maybe it was the lose of Kubes that did Jake in but its clear before Jay got here Plummer looked much better.

Like I've said before...Jake lost his fire the day we drafted Jay. How else do you go from having a great season to a crappy season within a matter of months. I expect Jay to have ups and downs like any rookie...but I'll be pleasantly surprised if he does as well as some say he will. All I want is this team to win.

[Rock Chalk]

Like I've said before...Jake lost his fire the day we drafted Jay. How else do you go from having a great season to a crappy season within a matter of months.

KUBIAK!

Though no one here will admit that.

[NYBronco]

"Pretty Good" I believe he's got a level head on his shoulders and knows when he should tuck it in or throw it away. I also believe he has enough talent around him to move the chains in a consistent manner to help the defense get some over due rest.

Watching the Ravens and they are currently up on the Steelers in the fourth quarter 27 to 0. McNair took a well deserved seat on the bench and handed over the Q-back duties to Boller at the 10:30 mark in the fourth. Imagine if Cutler had a few opportunities to gain some experience in this manner during the season.

[Mile High Shack]

I think he'll do about as good as Jake, but he has more upside than Jake, so it was a good move for next year

this year is pretty much w/o hope

[Bronx33]

I think he'll do about as good as Jake, but he has more upside than Jake, so it was a good move for next year

this year is pretty much w/o hope


Accuracy Improvement without a doubt.

[Mile High Shack]

Accuracy Improvement without a doubt.

???
this year?

maybe not

next year though, I'm sure we'll see a marked improvement in our offense

this year though...we are what we are and a rookie QB with only preseason starts is going to change it

we are an average team

[Bronx33]

???
this year?

maybe not

next year though, I'm sure we'll see a marked improvement in our offense

this year though...we are what we are and a rookie QB with only preseason starts is going to change it

we are an average team



Huh? iam just stating that cutler has better accuracy (throwing the ball) then plummer.

[Mile High Shack]

Huh? iam just stating that cutler has better accuracy (throwing the ball) then plummer.

and I'm saying we don't know that...maybe, maybe not, he's an unknown at this point

he could be a stud or he could be a Heath Shuler

[-Slap-]

KUBIAK!

Though no one here will admit that.

Except the people who advanced that theory well before the season even started. Like me.

[Bronx33]

and I'm saying we don't know that...maybe, maybe not, he's an unknown at this point

he could be a stud or he could be a Heath Shuler


Fair enough..

[Popps]

KUBIAK!

Though no one here will admit that.

Wrong.

Plenty of us will admit to that. The only irony there is, he was bashed to death around this board for years... blamed for any offensive failure and then called a puppet when things went well. Now, he's a folk-hero.

Look a the Rams under a new O.C.. They're going through the same things we are, and they can't pin it all on a QB.

I think the switch will end up sparking the offense, if nothing else... for the intangible reasons of knowing you have to step it up with so many eyes on you, now. But, I still think this offense hasn't looked the same since snap one this year, and I think Kubiak's absence is a big part of that.

Hopefully some of the speculation is correct in that Dinger's offense is more geared towards a QB like Cutler, and we'll start to find a groove.

[Rock Chalk]

Huh? iam just stating that cutler has better accuracy (throwing the ball) then plummer.

Besides playing against scrubs in pre-season, what gives you this notion considering he never had a year at Vandy with 60% or better accuracy?

[Bronx33]

Besides playing against scrubs in pre-season, what gives you this notion considering he never had a year at Vandy with 60% or better accuracy?



You smoked enough bowls to get pissy i see, pay attention (I THINK CUTLER IS MORE ACCURATE THAN PLUMMER) nothing more nothing less. (You may return to your bong)

[-Slap-]

Want some action on that Slap?

Friendly bet. With Cutler given 5 games starting, we have a losing record with him in there.

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I only say that because of the next 3 opponents we face btw. I dont think this TEAM is good enough to beat any of them, particularly the defense because all are powerhouse offenses and, well, we all see what powerhouse offenses do to our defense.

You don't want to bet me avatars, Alec. I'll make you post your tallywacker next to a ruler.

How about servitude? You can work off your debt pulling weeds in my backyard.

[Rock Chalk]

You don't want to bet me avatars, Alec. I'll make you post your tallywacker next to a ruler.

How about servitude? You can work off your debt pulling weeds in my backyard.

Id post my pecker next to a ruler. King Dong isnt scared.

As for pulling weeds, if you lived near me Id trade you servitude but since you will NEVER catch me in Vegas, we cant do that.

You catch that KU/Florida game last night? Sweet stuff.

[Rock Chalk]

You smoked enough bowls to get pissy i see, pay attention (I THINK CUTLER IS MORE ACCURATE THAN PLUMMER) nothing more nothing less. (You may return to your bong)

Where the hell you been man, I quit smoking months ago. LIke 5 months ago.

You said (and I quote)

"Huh? iam just stating that cutler has better accuracy (throwing the ball) then plummer."

No where in there did you say "I THINK CUTLER IS MORE ACCURATE THAN PLUMMER".

Byour statements or qualify them correctly as an opinion.

[JDB7821]

Hopefully he can close out the season at 4-1, but 3-2 is definitely acceptable. Anything below 3-2 and it would be almost pointless to have brought him in this season. 4-1 with a playoff win or two would be ideal, but 3-2 with 0-1 playoff wins is acceptable for a rookie quarterback.

[Bronx33]

Where the hell you been man, I quit smoking months ago. LIke 5 months ago.

You said (and I quote)

"Huh? iam just stating that cutler has better accuracy (throwing the ball) then plummer."

No where in there did you say "I THINK CUTLER IS MORE ACCURATE THAN PLUMMER".

Byour statements or qualify them correctly as an opinion.


And i stand by it (what's your point?) iam also going to say 95% of the QBs in the league are more accurate than jake (are you saying jake has an accurate arm?) if so then i will say you lying about quiting the dope. Also i don't keep track of you amd you dope smokin only that your a prick when you post, if you don't like my opinion about cutlers accuracy vs jakes. (cram it)

[watermock]

3-2.

It's impossible to say. Seattle is getting itself back in stride.

Welcome to the pressure cooker Jay.

[Northman]

Seeing as how some of these other Rookies have performed on sub-par teams i like our chances with Jay. Mock is probably right, at worse 3-2 the rest of the way.

[-Slap-]

Dec 3 Seattle - Victory.

Dec 10 @San Diego - Toss up, but the Chargers are choking pigs.

Dec 17 @Arizona - Victory.

Dec 24 Cincinnati - Toss up, but expect a crap effort from Cincy on the road on Christmas Eve.

Dec 31 San Francisco - Victory.

[Clockwork Orange]

I expect Cutler will make teams have to worry about the passing game at least a little bit.

Next year he'll make them worry about it a lot.

[elsid13]

KUBIAK!

Though no one here will admit that.

I posted somewhere that Kubiak loss hurt the team emotion more then play calling. I think that both Shanahan and Dinger are to much the driven perfectionist type, and that can wear on the offensive players. I think Kubiak was an effective barrier at times between Shanahan driven personality and Plummer.

[bloodsunday]

So hard to gauge. I expect his stats will be streaky, but as a QB like Carr is showing us right now slop can help a lot. I think in the end his numbers will be pretty good. ESPN just showed a good stat in which every defense we play the rest of the way is in the lower half of the league in pass D. That helps.

Do I expect his production, defined by me as wins and losses, to be the same or worse than Plummer. I think he is good enough and this team is good enough to go 10 - 6. With the Jets, Cincy and J'Ville looking shaky, we should be in good shape. I think beating Cincy pretty much makes us a lock to get in.

What I fear most is that his mistakes will be at the most pivotal times. He may come away with a 2 to 1 TD ratio, but if that 1 INT goes to the house in the 4th quarter... well you get my point.

[DBroncos4life]

so most people here are giving up on this season then? Seems crazy to throw Jay in there with two backup tackles, plus if Jake is really as bad as everyone thinks then we will get a better draft pick with him as the starter I mean look at all the top ten picks we've had with him in the past.

[Bronx33]

so most people here are giving up on this season then? Seems crazy to throw Jay in there with two backup tackles, plus if Jake is really as bad as everyone thinks then we will get a better draft pick with him as the starter I mean look at all the top ten picks we've had with him in the past.


Seems crazy to leave jake in, this team needs a change in a big way thats all i know.

[Sassy]

Ha! INT FOR RIVERS!

[Kaylore]

Wow. So far almost half (46%) of the people think this kid is going to be either good or great right out of the shoot. I'll have to eat some crow here. I felt that Bronco fans were going to be cautiously optimistic about Jay and that expectations for his production right off would be relatively low. Guess not.

Well I certainly hope he lives up to expectations, but I won't be jumping off the bandwagon unless he looks like garbage three years from now.

[Northman]

Wow. So far almost half (46%) of the people think this kid is going to be either good or great right out of the shoot. I'll have to eat some crow here. I felt that Bronco fans were going to be cautiously optimistic about Jay and that expectations for his production right off would be relatively low. Guess not.

Well I certainly hope he lives up to expectations, but I won't be jumping off the bandwagon unless he looks like garbage three years from now.



Same here. He will need time to grow no matter how well he performs out of the box.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I expect him to be a huge improvement over Plummer. I think he'll be average. ;D

[azbroncfan]

I predict someone here will call him a bust if he struggles against seattle or call him the next Elway if he does well. It will take 4 games to see where his progression is this early after D's have some tape on him.

[Taco John]

KUBIAK!

Though no one here will admit that.


What do you mean no one here will admit that Kubiak's loss has affected Jake? You probably couldn't find a single person who would say otherwise. It's not like this is some genius take that only you have the brain power to comprehend. This is pretty basic stuff that everybody pretty well agrees on.

[broncsyanks]

during preseason he saw cover 3's and no real blitzs. in the nfl this week he will see cover 2's and many blitzes. if he doesnt pick them up fast it will be a long day.

[Al Wilson]

I expect 5-0, and superbowl. I don't think the kid will struggle. This offense is too good for him to struggle like Plummer. He's huge, and can pass in the pocket, so everything else will be open (running game, bootleg, etc..). I think he can do it.

[Jetmeck]

I expect 5-0, and superbowl. I don't think the kid will struggle. This offense is too good for him to struggle like Plummer. He's huge, and can pass in the pocket, so everything else will be open (running game, bootleg, etc..). I think he can do it.

I want to BELIEVE !

[Northman]

during preseason he saw cover 3's and no real blitzs. in the nfl this week he will see cover 2's and many blitzes. if he doesnt pick them up fast it will be a long day.



If he has a quick reaction time and quick releases he will be fine. If he is a student of game film and of the playbook he will be worlds better than Plummer. I appreciate everything that Plummer has tried to do here but it is time to move on one way or another at that position. When you are a veteran Qb you just dont regress that far down unless your injured.

[TheChamp24]

The kid is going to throw 4 TD's a game the rest of the way, finish with 20 TD's, 1,500 yards, 1 interception and an amazing QB rating as he leads the Broncos to 5 straight wins to end the season and get ready for the playoffs.
In the playoffs, he is perfect in every game leading the Broncos to the Super Bowl. Jay Cutler is named MVP and so begins the Jay Cutler Era.
In ROY voting, he edges Colston despite playing in only 5 games.
He gets into the Pro Bowl and lights up the NFC and gets MVP.

[Northman]

The kid is going to throw 4 TD's a game the rest of the way, finish with 20 TD's, 1,500 yards, 1 interception and an amazing QB rating as he leads the Broncos to 5 straight wins to end the season and get ready for the playoffs.
In the playoffs, he is perfect in every game leading the Broncos to the Super Bowl. Jay Cutler is named MVP and so begins the Jay Cutler Era.
In ROY voting, he edges Colston despite playing in only 5 games.
He gets into the Pro Bowl and lights up the NFC and gets MVP.


You forgot putting him in the HOF this year too.

[broncsyanks]

If he has a quick reaction time and quick releases he will be fine. If he is a student of game film and of the playbook he will be worlds better than Plummer. I appreciate everything that Plummer has tried to do here but it is time to move on one way or another at that position. When you are a veteran Qb you just dont regress that far down unless your injured.

agreed . key word is "IF" he has quick reaction time. hope he does

GO BRONCOS!

[-Slap-]

during preseason he saw cover 3's and no real blitzs. in the nfl this week he will see cover 2's and many blitzes. if he doesnt pick them up fast it will be a long day.

And if he does, we'll break several big plays.

[Mediator12]

I expect better presnap reads, quicker WR progression, and better YAC with passes in stride instead of in an area.

People are acting like he has never seen some of these coverages and was never good at reading them in the first place. That is what he had to do at VANDY. He has a good presnap read and was blitzed all the time by SEC with much greater overall talent than his own team. He also is very durable getting hit on almost every other play.

With just a little more help than at Vandy with a real honest running game and eight in the box to start with, he should have some real one on one opportunities to make easier decisions. If teams play the run even more than they have with Plummer, Jay will not have to make really complicated reads in the passing game. If they FINALLY take eight men out of the box and play normal, handoff and let the running game do its job. People think that he is going to face a lot of complicated defenses and that is going to make him struggle for sure. It may not be the case at all however. He just might be able to make the right decisions and audible into better plays based on presnap reads and playing for a better overall team.

Is he going to be perfect, no. But he can be better, and he can make the offense better too. That is all I ask.

[Hotrod]

Is it too late for him to get rookie of the year ;D

[Traveler]

Don't we play Arizona and San Fran? I think those are two wins, and I think that 3-2 is reasonable.

Don't sleep on SF. They look to be a pretty solid team lately.

[cabronco]

I know Jay has a quick delivery from what I've seen in the preseason, I just hope his decision making is as quick. I belive teams will do what they mostly do with rookies and that blitz blitz and blitz. I believe the task is going to be on the O-line , TE, and rb's to block like crazy for Jay. One thing that stood out the most w/ Jay besides arm strength and tight spirals, is his passes were right between the numbers. How wierd to see a receiver catching the ball in stride, without over extending, or picking it off his toes to catch it.

[sirhcyennek81]

I dont expect him to come in and torch the seahawks, then the chargers, then the bengals. I expect him to start slow, make progress. I expect the run game and defense to pick it up a notch. They need to help him. I expect alexander and sheffler to get alot of catches.

:Broncos:

[Meck77]

hmm I recall a large audience around here around week 5 or so that were screaming that this team was destined to win the superbowl and the only thing stopping us was Jake Plummer. Now that Cutler has been given the nod expectations have suddenly come back to earth that we will be average, maybe good. What happened to the superbowl expectations? I guess we finally realized as a group that we had many other problems other than Jake. Well either way. Go Broncos!

Oh forgot to answer the poll question:

My expectation. Jay Cutler is supposed to be great being that he was a top draft pick. He also looked pretty solid at training camp and had a good pre-season. The reality is he hasn't proven a single thing on the field and there isn't a single poster on here who knows anymore than that. I'll wait a few years before I freak out and start trashing the board with "Jay sucks time for a change thread".

[Dedhed]

I expect production equal to or better than Plummer. I expect him to have struggles, but Jake didn't set the bar very high so I expect the offensive production to at least maintain.

I would love to expect more, but I'm a realist. I certainly hope for more, but don't expect it.

[Dedhed]

hmm I recall a large audience around here around week 5 or so that were screaming that this team was destined to win the superbowl and the only thing stopping us was Jake Plummer. Now that Cutler has been given the nod expectations have suddenly come back to earth that we will be average, maybe good. What happened to the superbowl expectations? I guess we finally realized as a group that we had many other problems other than Jake. Well either way. Go Broncos!

Oh forgot to answer the poll question:

My expectation. Jay Cutler is supposed to be great being that he was a top draft pick. He also looked pretty solid at training camp and had a good pre-season. The reality is he hasn't proven a single thing on the field and there isn't a single poster on here who knows anymore than that. I'll wait a few years before I freak out and start trashing the board with "Jay sucks time for a change thread".
I recall a lot of people people saying that Jake wasn't leading this team to a SB, so why not start the kid. I don't remember anyone saying this team was destined for a SB with Cutler at the helm, and I was a part of most of those debates.

[Rohirrim]

Up in Buffalo the fans were ragging on Levy for not picking Leinart at 8 instead of Donte Whitner. Levy answered, "I would have taken Cutler anyway."

[TheChamp24]

You forgot putting him in the HOF this year too.

I knew I was forgetting something. He'll also be put in the HOF and an award will be named after him, the Jay Cutler Award.

[Circle Orange]

I expect Cutler to be up and down, look great and awful all in one stroke. Anyone with a lick of sense would. http://scosoft.com/s/g/dff6b4b.gif

[Dean]

If a player at any position replaces another (not including injury), I expect his play to exceed the play of who he replaced. Why should it be any different for the QB position? Now, Jake set the bar rather low but that is still my expectation or there should not have been a replacement.

[fontaine]

I expect the same thing from Jay that I did with Jake.

Which is absolutely nothing. I got used to the idea that Jake wasn't going to contribute to this offense so I don't really expect Jay to be even average. Better than Jake would be nice, but in reality all I want from this experiment is for the kid to get experience so that Shanahan will have 5 or so games of film on him in the offseason to go to work on so that our offense with Jay can hit the ground running next season.

[Kaylore]

Ha! I was right. Anyway there is more there to be happy about today than to be concerned. For a first start he did two things that I thought were a step in the right direction.

1. He broke even on ints to TD's. I wasn't going to be surprised if it was disproportioned toward the int side, but was satisfied nonetheless.

2. He finished the game. Hey, baby steps, right?

3. He made the right read, even if not the throw. Has to clean up some mechanics but I saw and understanding (albeit an simple one) of what coverage he was looking at and where to go with the ball.

It's uphill from here, folks.

[Kaylore]

Bump since this was asked in another thread. Reality check for all to see.

[Hotrod]

Ya I guessed errrr predicted correctly ;D

[OrangeShadow]

around 130 yards 2 tds and 2 ints:strong:

[Meck77]

Want some action on that Slap?

Friendly bet. With Cutler given 5 games starting, we have a losing record with him in there.

Avatar bet.

I only say that because of the next 3 opponents we face btw. I dont think this TEAM is good enough to beat any of them, particularly the defense because all are powerhouse offenses and, well, we all see what powerhouse offenses do to our defense.

Had Slap taken your bet I have a feeling he'd be sporting some sick ass avatar of your choice. Honestly I'm wondering if the AZ game is even a given anymore.

[Rock Chalk]

Had Slap taken your bet I have a feeling he'd be sporting some sick ass avatar of your choice. Honestly I'm wondering if the AZ game is even a given anymore.

Im glad he didnt.

Tatum last night gave me hope we can beat Cincy in our House. Odds are good we dont have a 5 turnover night again.

3-2, my revised estimate, though Im thinking the SF game could go either way.